Sardonicast - Sardonicast #32: Shazam!, Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles

Episode Date: April 29, 2019

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Three, two, one. Whoa, hey guys, welcome to EB Games. This is Sardonicast. Does anybody remember that shitty commercial? I remember that. Yeah, I remember when it was me. Yeah, I'm Adam from your movie sucks. I'm Ralph from YouTube.com slash Ralph the Movie Maker.

And I'm Alex from I. Thanks for that intro, Adam. That was awesome. You're welcome. You're welcome. Yeah, it's not even that old. What was that, like five years ago or something? Five years is a long time.

Yeah, that's old now. It's not really in the grand scheme of things, man. In the world of memes, though. Okay, sure. How was your guys' weeks? Good. I went to Disneyland. That was fun.

Oh, yeah? Disneyland? Yeah. They're building a Star Wars Park area. They're building, God, what else they own? Avengers. Yeah. They're doing all kinds of shit.

Yeah, everything they own. Are they doing like Zootopia shit there yet or not? Um, there's like a few Zootopia characters walking around. Yeah. Like to take pictures with. They don't have like a Zootopia themed park or anything, which I think would do well. Why do you want to go to a Zotopia park? Nah, maybe.

I know a lot of people that would like to. They have a Cars one. The Cars one. Oh yeah, that was embarrassing. The car's one is actually really cool. The movie sucked, but like the, the park itself was really well done. Okay, yeah. Oh, give you that.

If this was a good movie, if I liked cars, this would be awesome. I went to Disneyland a few years ago because I was in L.A. just for some other things that I was doing. And I was supposed to go with a friend, and they canceled on me because of some family emergency. And it was like the last day I was in L.A., so I was like, you know what? Screw it. I'm going by myself. And I did it, and I had so much fun by myself.

I just brought plenty of booze and bought tickets to both. of the parks, like the Disneyland and the whatever adventure. California adventure. Yeah. And I managed to hit up every single ride I wanted to because I found out that as a single rider, you can skip a lot of the lines

because there'll be some things like... Yeah. You have your own line of just single riders. Yeah. Because like a lot of the rides, it's like families. Yeah. There'll be a ride where they need like four people to fill it up and then there's like groups of three and two and four at the front. So they're like, okay,

looking for a single rider. You just get to go up there. And then for the rides that didn't do that, there were some that were like, the lines were like way too long. And I was like, ah, you know what, screw that. I'll just come back later. And then I stayed there the whole day until like pretty much everything was closing. It was like nighttime. It was like 11 p.m. And I managed to hit up those rides anyway because there was nobody there anymore. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. There's so many great Life hack for us. Yeah. And it was super fun because I had watched Escape from Tomorrow.

And so every location that they used in that film, I was like, man, this isn't the happiest place on earth. And it was really, it was a whole range of emotions. And I ended the day at the ESPN sports bar and ate a incredibly disgusting Philly cheese steak sandwich. You should have gone to Ralph Brennan's. I don't know what that is. New Orleans. It's like some New Orleans kind of themed restaurant. It's very good. Okay.

That was in downtown Disney. Yeah, there's so many good restaurants in downtown Disney. I think I might have been there earlier the day, but the sports center was the only thing left open at that point. And I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm in America. I'm going to get the most disgusting American thing that I can, and I did. Like California Adventure used to suck, though. It's way better now, but it used to be like carnival themed. And it had like carnival themed rides. And now it's like all Pixar and, you know, Incredibles and inside out. But like before it was just like a carnival. And it's like, why would I pay $150 to just go to a carnival? Because you can drink beer on that side. They serve beer in there.

They actually did have the food and wine festival. That was delicious. So like ever, I think a few weeks out of the year, they do like a food and wine festival. Would I just give you a wine and actually good food, not just like total like chicken wings or whatever whatever the fuck you usually get there those giant turkey legs that are disgusting but they're really good but yeah I had a great time there nice

have you been Alex to Disney I went once in the early 2000s and I can barely remember it and that was Disneyland not Disney World which city were you in? California I think it was okay then Disneyland California yeah is that the worst one no I like

like that one the best it's like the smallest Disney World is way bigger exactly I want to do a Disney World trip yeah Disney World is awesome we should all go to Disney yeah I know I know I've been saying this we need to do a Sardana cast Disney World trip whenever you're not so busy they have their own like bus transit system

it's like one of the largest in the country that's how fucking big it is wow there's like 20 hotels and like seven parks two water parks it's insane I was there when I was a lot It's insane. And so I only retained so much of it because I was young, but I think it was like 13. Hmm.

But I remember it was huge. I was going to say when you mentioned chicken wings, I don't know if you've noticed Ralph, but chicken wings in America are like Frankenstein chicken wings. They're so much bigger. They're ridiculous. Yeah. I don't know what they do. Is it smaller in other countries?

Yeah. Do you just have huge chickens there or something? I think they just pump them full of hormones. We just put a bunch of chemicals in our chickens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We pump our chickens full of shit to be big.

They're monsters. It's insane. Like the chicken wings from 7-Eleven are like as big as my hand. Really? That's how we like it. Well, like maybe half the size of my hand. I've got big hands, so it's, you know. Speaking of America, the Star Wars trailer is out.

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, we were talking about Disney. It's a perfect segue. I just woke up, kind of. Yeah, it's all right. You can't get it every time. It's fine. But yeah, Disney, they released, what, a Star Wars trailer?

Yeah, that's one of the nine. What's it called? The Skywalker Rises. Oh, yeah. It does have a terrible title, doesn't it? Yeah. She did a flip. What was actually called?

I can't remember. I think it's... Rise of the Skywalker? Okay, there we go. Right? I don't think it matters. The rise of Skywalker Oh my God

No I think it's the rise of the Skywalker No the rise of Skywalker The rise of the Skywalker What The rise of the skyscraper We're talking about the title For like a minute I don't know

It's called the rise of Skywalker Okay What did you think of it though All I remember from the trailer is that she did a flip And I guess they're trying to bring back Skywalker as in

yeah yeah that's kind of all that happened yeah trailer they're trying to bring back Mark camel was gluing his mask back together right

that happened it's like damage control for the last Jedi the movie yeah it's like a perfect metaphor for like JJ

trying to fix what Ryan Johnson did just going against each other every movie my impression was that they were trying to make each of these

new trilogy films kind of be specialized towards the characters from the originals, but just one per movie. So the first one was like Harrison Ford. And then the second one was Mark Hamel. And the third one was, I think, supposed to be Carrie Fisher, but then she died. Yeah, that's right. So I think this might turn into another Dark Night Rises situation where they kind of have to rewrite because they weren't expecting a death of somebody that they were supposed to feature.

prominently in the movie. So that might be the only reason why Mark Campbell's coming back. Maybe. Well, Lando is in it, right? Lando might be that role. Yeah. And it helps. It doubles up for them because they can sort of backpedal on the previous movie

and have Luke be in it a bit more. Yeah. Yeah. Did you hear what they actually did with Carrie Fisher and how they're having her in the movie? It's quite weird. No. This is confirmed?

What is what's happening? Yeah, it's confirmed. They've already confirmed what they're doing. They're using unused shots from episode 7. Nice. They've written the script around stuff they'd already recorded, so they're not doing the Rogue 1 CGing thing. Okay.

Super curious what they're going to do with that, because that must be really limiting based on what they would have shot. Yeah. I don't know about that. That sounds a little fishy. No pun intended. It's usually pretty distracting and obvious. And like Fast and Fury 7, not a bad movie.

movie by any stretch of the imagination, but when the Paul Walker scenes, it was kind of, you could tell. It was either CG or it was like a shot that was repurposed to something else. Yeah. And they caged over his face. Yeah. Yeah, I heard about that, but I never saw it. There's a few movies like that. They kind of want to.

The Sopranos, they did that too. They CG'd like Tony's mother in when the actress passed away. Yeah. They were talking about doing that for Philip Seymour Hoffman in the Hunger Games, but then they didn't. Yeah. It was a good cool. Like it's a tricky thing. Yeah, I'm fortunate for them.

We'll see. I don't really have much to say about Star Wars, honestly. I just figured we should mention it. Yeah, I don't have much to say about this either. I mean, it's like another one of the Star Wars movies from Disney. Yeah. It's kind of as simple as that. She did a flip.

Yeah, she did a flip. I'm sure the new Kylo Ren ship will sell lots of toys. Yeah. Speaking of Disney. Disney. The Lion King has a new trailer. Oh my God. And it's fucking awful.

It's fucking terrible. And it makes me very upset. You know, I was trying to reserve my judgment for the fact that they don't have Jeremy Irons reprising his role, even though they still have James Earl Jones. And Mr. Great Actor from Twelve Years of Slave, whose name I can't properly pronounce. I love him in Twelve Years of Slave. He does an amazing job playing an empathetic character, but he fucking sucks trying to play a villain lion.

It's so bad. I cannot believe it. It's terrible. The more footage they release is the worse it gets. Seth Rogen is the piggy. I did not like the trailer. Yeah, it's bad. It's just awful.

I got no expressions from them at all. They were not expressive even remotely. I know we talked about this before, but it's a real. big problem in this trailer. Because this is more of like a story trailer where I'm supposed to empathize with like characters and get what's going on. And I really was just not on board at all. And then I watched like the trailer for the old Lion King and like those characters are like so fucking expressive. Yeah. Big eyes, big smiling mouths. Yeah, you can really tell, you can pause the

screen and know everything that that character's feeling because of the animation. And then try doing that we've said this so much. Yeah. It's like we're beating a dead horse. But it's seriously. it's so bad. Yeah. Like, I cannot fucking watch a whole movie of this. It's crazy. It's almost a shot-for-shot remake, too. They're not even...

Yeah. It's not their own interpretation. It's just a worse, uglier-looking version than the original movie. Yeah. Because the original movie is already the perfect version of it, probably. Yeah.

Ralph still hasn't seen it, I guess. I will watch it before this new one. It's a 4K Blu-ray if you have a 4K set up. It looks actually great. You're right. You're right. I will do that. I don't know if you guys noticed, but they never showed any of the character's mouths moving. All of the voiceover, all of the dialogue was just from one scene and then placed on top of another of action. That leads me to believe that the characters, when they're speaking, probably look ridiculous.

Because why not show that? Why not show that in your new trailer? The movie's coming out in like two or three months. I haven't seen that yet. I know it's the same director. Because I assume it will look similar to that and the way they made the animals talk in that. Yeah, I still haven't seen it. But I doubt that one will piss me off as much as this one. Because I'm not like a huge jungle book fan in the first place.

Yeah. The jungle book movie was surprisingly all right. It's going to age horribly, but whatever. It's just a jungle book story. Yeah. I wouldn't really recommend it, but I can see why some people do my, fool for it. Yeah.

I'm wondering if they're like trying to fix the character's mouth movements within the three months before it's released. Maybe. Maybe they got a complaint about that. Who knows? Maybe it looks fine. Maybe the movie is going to be great. How do we know we haven't even seen it yet?

How do you know a movie's going to be bad based on the footage that they release? Yeah. Right. Oh, I hate that argument so much. You went in wanting to hate it. Whatever somebody tries to say that I'm like okay Do you need to watch the emoji movie to know it's bad?

Or can you tell based off of the promotional footage that this might not be the film for you and that you're not interested? Or just the background behind it It's like okay, so a bunch of producers are marketing this to children To promote like to I guess bank off the emoji craze or whatever fuck like yeah, I want to watch a movie Made because of that Mm-hmm It's like not a sequel I think Oh, of course

so well because it made money. Yeah. You know, a movie should come from a creative place. Because everybody saw it ironically. Yeah, right. Well, I didn't. Thanks, Jack's films.

Thanks, Alex. Oh, yeah. You too. Yeah, man. I had a great time going there. I'm glad you did. I was planning on watching the new Lion King, like hate watching it just to, you know, experience pain.

But I don't think I can. I don't think I can anymore. I think on the day of the release of the new Lion King, I'm just going to pop in my 4K Blu-ray of the Good Movie. And then once it makes a billion dollars, and I had nothing to do with it, then I can say, fine, I wasn't a part of the problem. I'm going to get the home video release,

and then I'm going to tear it to shreds, but I'm not going to fucking see it in theaters. That's my plan. Okay. That's fair. All right. Well, how about when Lion King comes out? We watch the animated one and talk about it.

Well, I guess it depends whose turn it is to recommend. But I guess we could do that either way if we want to commit to it. You haven't seen it. I could watch that movie at any point in time. You guys have seen it. Yeah, sure. Okay. Perfect.

It's a deal. We'll have to remember. Good. Got them. Yeah, when's it even coming out? June or July? One of those two months? Okay.

July 19th. Okay. So, we'll figure it out. There you go. Okay. Something to look forward to. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't believe just how poorly they did everything that we can see in the trailer at least. It's just so embarrassing. I know it looks bad, but we got to walk in with an open mind and sit there and go, okay, I want to enjoy this. I paid for it. Let's enjoy it. Yeah, but I won't pay for it. That's true. I'll pay for it on VOD probably.

I'll watch it at some point. Are you guys seeing Endgame? Did you get your ticket? Yeah, I did. Yeah, I'll be seeing it. I'm seeing it in the Cinerama Dome. Yeah, I got my tickets like two weeks ago. Like, pretty much the day that they announced them.

And like the first whole day was sold out. So I'm seeing it on, usually I would see it on the Thursday, but I see it on the Friday now. You have to put that far ahead. It depends what kind of place you live. So if you live in a city where there's lots of people that want to see movies, then you might have to book. really far in advance. And this is the Avengers endgame, right? So they'd sell their tickets way further in advance than any other movie right now.

Usually, if you're going to buy advanced tickets for something, it's like a week before. But movies like this, they'd sell them way early. Oh, it's such an event, yeah. There's also the reserved seating, too. So you want to get it early, so you get a good seat. Is that how it works when you guys go to the theater? Like, you have to reserve the seat beforehand, right? Yeah.

I mean, depending on the theater, but. Yeah, most of the... Yeah, I guess some, like, small art house ones don't really. Yeah. Did you guys hear about the... They're doing like a 22-hour MCU marathon in some theaters? I did. Yeah.

Yeah. It's ridiculous. Crazy. Oh, my lord. I think you win something if you, like, sit through the whole thing. What? Like, you get a prize. What do you win?

Either, like, money or... Like, without going to the bathroom? Without, yeah, if you just... Well, I guess you could go to the bathroom, but if you just sit through the whole fucking thing. You bring a bottle. They're like, congrats. Yeah, they give you like a big check. I don't know.

I don't know what they do. You bring a catheter. Then you're fine. Yeah. Surely that would be like 40 hours long, right? If it's every Marvel movie. Yeah. And they're like 20 of them.

And they will at least two hours long. I think, I don't, I don't know. They have like a special lineup. I don't know which ones are included because there's no fucking way I would go to that. So I think they said it was like 20 something hours. So I don't know exactly how many or which films are in it. It could be all the other. Maybe they left out four to, I don't know.

An ant man. Yeah. Maybe they left out some of the less important ones. And yeah, they give you a thousand bucks if you sit through the whole thing. Yeah, that would be funny, but no way. They don't get a thousand bucks. They pay you to see it. It's just, your ticket is copped.

I mean, it's just, it's so much. Yeah, basically. That's all that happens. Your ticket and your food. If you wear sunglasses, they can't tell if you're asleep. That's true. Speaking of superhero movies I did it this time

We all watch Shazam Shazam Wow that was a great segue Yeah I'm back on track Shazam Shazam What'd you guys think of it?

I really liked it You just went in wanting to like it Adam You liked the DC movie? Yeah Yeah I did I enjoyed it I enjoyed myself while I was watching it. And I thought that it's...

It was very reminiscent of like the playful, kind of carefree tone of the Ramey Spider-Man movies, which we've talked about thoroughly on this podcast. Yeah. Not as good. It reminds me a lot. I think Spider-Man's better in many ways, but... Yeah. Like, it's reminiscent enough.

And it's like, it reminds me that, yes, I would like to see superhero movies that just don't take themselves nearly as seriously. It's a comic book thing, you know? Like, you shouldn't... I don't know. I guess it's a preference thing, but, like, I would much rather see a superhero movie where things aren't super, super serious the whole time. And that's the impression I get from a lot of Marvel movies.

Even though diehard Marvel fans will say, like, oh, yeah, but it tries to be goofy too. It's like, yeah, there's moments of comedic relief. But overall, the tone is, like, you know, this dumb drama between Captain... America and Iron Man and global politics and... Yeah, there's other stuff. And they're all connected, so they have to introduce other characters and that stuff. It's a chore. I guess Shazam...

Yeah, it's in the same universe as the other DC stuff, which makes no sense at all considering its tone. But it doesn't have anything to do with that shit, and it barely mentions it. It only uses it for comedy, mostly. And I like that about it a lot, too. They don't really try to connect it in any way other than just saying, like, hey, superheroes exist in this world.

Batman and Superman exist. But we're not going to say which versions. Yeah. There's a little cameo at the end from somebody and they don't get the real actor who plays them. For many reasons. Originally, there was way more in that scene, but they cut it short because, you know, the actor didn't show up.

I actually like that better. That's funny. Yeah. that is actually much funnier What do you think Alex? I came out of the theatre with one adjective in my head when it finished and that was nice

It was just nice It was like It didn't annoy me really in any way But it also didn't particularly impress me Majorly anyway It was just yep all of this is pretty good There was some A couple surprising moments with

I won't spoil anything But kind of a terrifying scene That I wasn't expecting and what I thought would be kind of a tame superhero movie where like characters, they were getting like slaughtered in front of my eyes. Yeah, yeah. Which I really wasn't expecting.

It was brilliant. Yeah, it reminded me of, you know, the Sam Ramey Spider-Man movies, as you were saying. Yeah, I just thought it was nice. It was playful. I didn't really find it that funny, but it wasn't annoying to me. It was just sort of cute.

It was cute and nice, and it had family values. And I did notice it was weirdly, weirdly similar to a, Kung Fu Panda 2. It had awesome family values. To DreamWorks animated movies for you.

I'm not joking. This isn't actually trying to wedge in some kind of DreamWorks agenda. Okay. I'm serious. They have the same themes. No, I'm not paid. But yeah, that's the same themes.

The main characters about trying to like figure out where he belongs and what happened to his parents. Like in the villain setups very similar. And even the jokes. at the end right before the final fight is identical and the I could keep going forever I'm going to stop now

but trust me people believe me and I'm correct I believe you I believe you we're going to do a side by side comparison I love the villain of this or not yeah

okay love is a strong word but like considering the rest of these DC villains it was actually like a villain with a motivation and I understood what he was doing and I thought Mark Strong actually had a lot of fun with the role. So what did you guys think of that? I didn't feel like the villain was out of place.

I didn't love him. I didn't hate him. Yeah. But he served his purpose and he was like intimidating enough to be a villain. Like he was kind of goofy in some senses. Yeah. But he actually was like a good foil to the lead. Like he wasn't just like a villain they threw in from the comic books.

He had like a tragic childhood too, and they had like, you know, parallels in that way, except he went off and became a villain with that. It was like, oh, okay. That's like a clever thing that happened. So I give them props for that, too. He didn't want to blow up the universe or whatever. I agree with Alex when he says it's like a cartoon. And in many other superhero films, a very cartoonish villain or cartoonish anything else

would kind of bother me because it's kind of contradictory and conflicting with the tones that the film is setting out to be. But this movie is basically just trying to be a cartoonish movie in general. And so it fits. I think it works really well. Yeah, I thought Mark Strong was good. I thought he was really what made that character a bit more memorable. I think if a lesser actor was playing that very same role, it could have just been kind of

generic and lame, but he did embody it quite well. added some personality to it. Zachary Levi does a great job imitating the younger version of himself and other characters go through similar things and they do a good job as well. There's a lot of that going on imitating younger of child actors.

The movie had a good hook. Like the adult who's like got the brain of a child basically is just a fun, fresh comedic way to put a spin on the thing we've seen time and time again. He's very immature with his powers. Yeah, exactly.

But now he's kind of learned. So I don't know where they're going to go in future. Yeah, who knows how a sequel would be? But I really did appreciate that not only did they use that kind of concept to the best of its abilities, like they put careful thought into what type of scenarios would be entertaining to see in a film given that concept. And they didn't go way too far with it. because in many superhero movies, even ones that try to be more comedic,

it winds up turning into this whole like, oh no, like, got to save the whole universe and things wind up getting artificially serious anyway. And although there is seriousness to it, I love that like this overall scale of what the conflict was in this film was really just centered around his family. Like even when it came to like villains,

like without spoiling anything, even when it came to like, the greater conflicts in the film, it was still just centered around this smaller scale idea of his family. And I love that it didn't overreach and go way too far out of what would be realistic in terms of relatable conflicts for like a 14 year old. Because at the end of the day, like, that's what it's supposed to be. Yeah. The action at the end wasn't too excessive either, which is usually the case with a lot of these movies.

It still went on a bit too long, honestly. Yeah, I'll admit in that last second. It was at a carnival. It was just like, you know, they fight in a carnival. It's simple. I never found it went on too long, personally. No, and they're like saving people. There's like a lot of variety to it too.

There's a lot of stuff going on. It's not just like punching through buildings and like over and over. No, the reason it works is because Shazam is such a stupid character. Like, he's so dumb. But they embrace the silliness and make it work. and kind of the fish out of water thing is fun to watch. And make him very likable. And I was actually invested in him and his family and where the story was going.

So even though all this goofy shit is going on, I was actually interested. They made Shazam a better Superman than their own Superman in the universe. He's like, save more people, he's more heroic, he's more relatable. He doesn't hate doing what he's doing. It's just really funny that Shazam out of all of the DC. characters is the one they've kind of got right. Shazam. They can't get Batman or Superman right.

Excuse me, but Batman and Superman are exactly how they're supposed to be. Wake the fuck up. Get real. I'm Zach Snyder. Do you see that? We didn't talk about that. The Zach Sider fans say that. Oh my God. That was so insulting to read. Batman kills people. Wake the fuck up.

Did the Batman versus Superman crowd like this? Do you think? Or do you think they hated it? They're like, We want Zach Snyder back. We want the dark stuff back. That was when the movies were intelligent. They were made for smart people. Is there a Batman v. Superman crowd?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, there is. I guess so. There's a huge crowd. I don't know any of them. That film has fans. I don't either, but still. How do we know they're real?

They're real. Trust me. They're out there. They'll be in the comments. They are out there. Believe it or not. Watch out for them. Hide your children.

They're out there. And they'll show your kids, Batman versus Superman. keep them away. Did you like how when Snyder was talking about his response? He seemed really personally upset

by the fan response to Batman killing people. So he was like why don't you get out your basement sometimes and make out with a hot chick your nerds?

That was his like response. Yeah. What are you talking about? You're like the reason they're annoyed is because you betrayed the character

and everything he stands for. Batman's like the most recognizable trait that sets him apart from his enemies is the fact he won't kill. And it's just like such a huge part of your movie that you never address. How's that unfair to call out as a fan? Yeah, it's a pretty innocent question to begin with too.

Like if you can defend it, then defend it. But there's no reason to be such an asshole about it. To insult your fan base. Yeah, he got's very defensive about that. Wake the fuck up. What was this exact quote? I kind of want to read it. Hold on.

Yeah, find it. It is funny. Get out your bedroom, you nerds. Really Ralph should read it in his Zach Snyder voice. Yeah, I'm trying to... Let's see. Wake the fuck up. Yeah, that's what he said.

Oh, Lord. Yeah, he says fuck a lot. Yeah. No, he's pissed. He is pissed. My heroes didn't fucking lie to America. My heroes didn't embezzle money from their corporations. What?

But you're living in a fucking dream world. That's what. He's saying. He said like a crazy person. Is this him? Sounds like a crackpot. Yeah. He said, wake the fuck up. Yeah. Once you've lost your virginity to this fucking movie, and then you come and say to me something about, like, my superhero wouldn't do that. Like, are you serious?

I'm like down the fucking road on that. You know what I mean? What is he talking about? He's an actual nonsense. Oh, Zach. Oh, dear. Oh, Zach. But Shazam, yeah, that was pretty good It wasn't nearly Because he had nothing to do with it Epic as Aquaman But no, I watched it again

Oh my God, it's so much better the second time Oh yeah? Yeah, I can't wait to do it What, Aquaman or Shazam? No, Aquaman, not Shazam Aquaman for me is still best DC movie The most epic movie Oh, you think Aquaman is still better than us Yeah, I'm

Dude No I'll just go on an Aquaman rant and how good it is again. Maybe I'll re-watch it. I think Shazam is a better movie, in my opinion, but I think I would sooner watch Aquaman again. No way, come on.

It's epic. Shazam was way funnier than Aquaman. Are you sure? I thought the scene where Shazam got... No, no, no. The scene where Shazam like stopped the robbery, that was hilarious. No, there's plenty of good...

Intentionally hilarious. In terms of intent with comedy, Shazam does a better job, but Aquaman is funnier, in my opinion. Yes. I'm more into time. Sure, but I respect the craft of, like, crafting a scene that's funny. What about crafting a scene that's epic? Yeah, I respect that craft. Yeah, and that's what, yeah.

Who was the director of that? James 1. Yeah, Furious 7 himself. Yeah. You just made the False and Furious of the DC universe, and it's amazing. Yeah. Dead silence. Yeah, well, that's my opinion on James Wan as a director.

You said earlier, Fast 7 is incredible. It's not an awful movie. That's the one Adam would like, I bet. Yeah, for a Fast and Furious movie, I think it's one of the better ones. Okay. Yeah. It's like Aquaman. It's just so absurd.

Okay. Yeah, I can see that. Through skyscrapers. I think that they parachute with cars in that one. Yeah, it has its moments for sure. There are lots of great moments. Yeah. That's the one with the opening race, right?

Where, like, the cars like a piece of shit and he has to blow up the engine. Oh, no, that's eight. It's got an amazing opening. Seven has an amazing opening with Jason Statham, like, in the hospital with, like, Oh, yeah. That's a great opening. It's so corny.

He fucking blows up the whole hospital, right? Yeah. And it's, like, slowly revealed as he walks out from his brother. He's like brothers in hospital. He's all a bungee. And he leaves. Oh my god. Yeah, I think one day I will watch through all of them.

But I don't know. Some of them are painful. I know that much. Yeah. They're a weak one. Tokyo drift. The fourth one's pretty boring. My favorite's like five.

Two is hilarious also. Two has a lot of gay undertones. That's pretty funny. Just saying. I've never seen two. Here's a challenge You should watch two Can you name

All of the Fast and Furious titles Go Yeah Oh shit Can you out So the first one's just Fast and Furious right No no no The first one's the Fast and the Furious

Then it's Fast and Furious Too Fast and Furious Yes Of course But then it's Tokyo Jiff right Yeah Fast Furious Tokyo Drift

I keep hearing text notifications on someone's phone. I don't know who that is. Uh, not me. It ain't mine. Is it yours? Oh, maybe it's my phone. Oh, fuck. Maybe it's mine.

Turn off your phone, Ralph. No, it was only twice. Yeah. Okay. I was only twice. I like, yeah. He tried to find someone else for that. Yeah, yeah.

It's one of you fuckers, because I just heard it. I'm sorry. I thought it was one. I thought it was coming. All right. What's the fourth one? Um, what's the fourth one?

What's the fourth one? Uh No Fast 4 No I think the fourth one is just Fast and Furious That's just good That was a fat one's

Yeah That's what they usually do with the fourth film In a franchise They just add a or take away a the Yeah Then it's fast 5 Yep It's just called Fast 5

Yeah Yeah Then it's Furious 6 Yep Oh no it's fast and Furious 6 I'm sorry Fast and Furious 6 And then Furious 7

And then Furious 7 Furious 7 Furious 7, wow. And then the fate of the Furies. The fate of the future. Because it sounds like 8. Fate. That's smart.

F8. Fate. That's a great title. That's how they marketed it. They just put F8. Yeah. It's like fate. It's so good.

It was genius. It's so good. Charlie's Theron is a super hacker in that movie who hacks into every car in New York City. and tries to kill people with it. It's awesome. That's an absurd scene. We've definitely incorporated that exact piece of trivia into a drinking game,

and it was really, really funny. All right. Anything more to say about Shazam? I really thought that the acting was pretty good, except for some of the kids, but not the main kids. I think the main kids did a pretty good job. Yeah, especially Friday.

A lot. Oh yeah. Freddy's great. Yeah. Freddy's probably best character. I really did like that the, you know, although some of the children in the foster home are a little annoying, you know, I got over it quickly because of its little cartoonish vibe. But I thought that the foster parents, the characters there, like, they were really, really likable. And it wasn't like super cheesy.

It's just nice. Yeah. It was nice to watch. Like you could understand why the character would care for them or like it's you as an audience member care for them already. It's like, oh wow, these are lovely, really nice, respectful people and it doesn't feel like super forced. It's crazy. Yeah. The same movie don't do that.

Because you know, some of these DC movies, they're kind of infamous for how bad the... The CG is, like, Wonder Woman is some atrocious special effects work. Yeah, I thought it was probably the best one, sort of, in terms of its consistency, for sure. Some of the flying stuff looked a little weird, like putting his head on the CG body. Yeah, some of it was a little... Kind of plasticy. Yeah, I never really got bothered by it. The designs of, like, the sins were cool.

Oh, yeah, but the color on them wasn't so good. Yeah, I mean, it'll be dated in the same way that Rameas Spider-Man was, you know? It's just like, it doesn't really take away from the film for me. Although in Rameas Spider-Man, like, a lot of it was more impressive. Not necessarily the CG, but like the action scenes in general, the cinematography, the music. You know, there's so much more that that movie did better. But still, respect it in the same way, although not as much, but in the same way. It captures that tone really well.

Yeah. And it's entertaining and it's competent. which is more than it's been so far so keep this up I mean they're also copying what Marvel's done they're completely gone with copying the Marvel tone now but I guess it's working it's working better so I'll stick with it

Give me more Aquaman's and Shazams Yeah down straight Yeah you gotta encourage this shit I can't believe they're they're resorting to like these characters no one cares about as like their big movie franchises And it's working that's the key Guardians of the Galaxy was the same thing though. Like, think about that.

Guardians of the Galaxy, they were unheard of. It's way more creatively liberating to work with a character and no one knows than one that is quite rigid like Superman. You can see why they struggle so much with characters like that. Because they're so well known. And because they've done so much with them too. Exactly, yeah. You've got no wiggle room to be creative.

They've explored like every nook and cranny. It's like, okay, what else do we do with this fucking guy? Yeah, exactly. And it's usually not good. So take Shazam and make a weird-ass movie that's like a comedy and doesn't take itself too seriously and surprise, surprise it works in the same way Guardians did and all these weird

characters that no one knows also do more often than not when a bit of planning goes into it. Maybe they should do more of those. They should do like a Condiment King movie or something. I mean you joke but it'll probably be coming soon. Wait, is that a real thing? We can talk about the Joker thing. Oh. Okay, sure.

We can talk about that walking Phoenix Joker movie. Let's give our ratings for Shazam and then we'll mention that. Mm-hmm. What are you... What did you read? You want to go first! I'll go first.

I already know about you. Okay, yeah, fine. Yeah, I gave it three out of five. It wasn't the most impressive thing to me, but it was likable, charming, nice. I won't really think about it in the future, really, or I don't really want to watch it again, but, yeah, three stars.

Just nice. Yes. It was a lovely family film. It's entertaining. It did everything I had to do. Three out of five. Yeah. I'm giving this one a seven out of ten.

Which, I know, right? You know, I, and part of that is due to just, like, me, I had a really fun time. Like, I was thoroughly enjoying myself. Every beat of the story, like, past the first 20 minutes. Like, the first 20 minutes were a little, eh, like, it wasn't really into it. But everything past that point, like, everything that took place, I was just like, yeah, this is a lot of fun. And I felt like I was a child again watching a movie. And it was a really fun experience for me.

So, who knows? it might change to a six later down the road. Like that's happened with other movies, but, you know, even considering other movies that I've done that to, like Spider-Man Homecoming, like this is much better than that, so.

Uh, I don't know. I think Spider-Man Homecoming is a little better. And I think this movie, I don't want to say takes from Spider-Man Homecoming, but definitely you could compare the two in tone and the lead character,

you know. Yeah, Shazam's a really similar character to Spider-Man, like juggling the two. lives and you know inviting him to school and stuff doesn't that that's a plot be from homecoming isn't it like he invites Spider-Man to a party or yeah yeah that kind of thing's really similar the the family stuff had kind of a John hughy kind of vibe and so did Homecoming you know so yeah it took from the new Spider-Man and the old Spider-Man the best parts and I appreciate that but still

speaking of the DC universe Joker yeah yeah you've seen this trailer Yeah. I don't know. What do you think? Here, what's interesting about walking Phoenix playing Joker is that even way before any of this was announced, my thought was if any actor could do the character justice in a way that was comparable to Heath Ledger, my first thought was walking Phoenix, because I think he's great. I love him. And so having him play the Joker now, it's like, oh, wow, great. This is exactly what I want. And so the rest of it, I guess, will just be dependent on the script and I guess Todd Phillips, which is a weird choice, but we'll see, I guess. Really weird, yeah. Are you not concerned at all about a character that is so crucial to Batman being in it, not being present in the movie?

Isn't that the whole allure of joke here? Yeah. To me, that seems like a venom situation where it's like, isn't this guy supposed to be the antithesis of some? Spider-Man? What are you doing? It really does. Because, like, I don't think that Venom's biggest problems were that Spider-Man wasn't there.

Like, the movie had times of problems. It just makes the film feel pointless. It's just, like, a strange angle to attack it from, to begin with, to me. Like, this character is at his best when he's with this other character. And that's really the only purpose he ever really served in most stories. He was supposed to be, yeah. It really, yeah. Yeah, again, you couldn't make it.

it looks better than Jared Leto's version for sure, but like we'll see. We'll see what they do. Because you could flesh out an entire origin story without needing there to be this sort of yin and yang kind of thing. You don't necessarily need to have like the ultimate protagonist

to the antagonist because Joker functions already as being this sort of like chaotic kind of person. And I think this movie is going to be less about him just you know it's not going to just start out with him being like oh yeah I want to wreak havoc and that's just what he's going to do the whole movie I think it's going to be more of like a character study into why he became this person or how all of this started with him like in kind of really just get into the mind or the experience of who this this person is and that could be interesting it really just all depends on how it's written and Yeah Again, it's T.C.

I really don't know. Because something like that, that usually requires like a Paul Thomas Anderson or something, you know. I would love that. It's usually indie film. That would be great. Or something like, like a big budget superhero movie

attempting something like this, I respect it, and I hope it works out. But it usually doesn't. Because that's what Batman versus Superman was. How big is the budget? Do we know the budget? I'm guessing it's fairly larger considering what it is. It's a superhero movie.

Like, none of the footage they show. It's probably around Logan. There was probably like somewhere 50 to 100 million. I don't know. Yeah. Who knows? It could be like a smaller scale kind of character film. We don't really know.

Like, that would be really cool. Oh, the budget's 55 million. Okay. All right. So it's much lower than you thought. Mm-hmm. Well, marketing too. It'll probably be 100.

Wow. But I don't really consider that the movie budget. This is a superhero movie. made by a huge studio. Is it not? Yeah. So it's got a lot of money behind it. They're hoping it does well.

It's going to be big. Here's the thing. DC has very obviously been trying new things now. So it's very possible that they could do something competent with this. My only reservations with this. If they let the director let him do whatever he wants.

Well, we don't even even if they let the director do whatever he wants, maybe that might be a bad thing because it's, Todd Phillips. We don't know. Yeah, that's been their issue, hasn't it? Giving Zach Sider too much control. But the more cooks in the kitchen for something like this, like a really deep character study, I feel the

worse it could get. Things like this are usually written by one guy. This is like taxi driver or something. I don't know if a bunch of producers in Warner Brothers can make and execute something like this in the same way. We'll see whenever there's more footage out, I guess.

Yeah, I hope so. I don't think it's really confusing from like an audience standpoint. Like just a couple of years ago, we had Jared Leto playing the same character, but now they're releasing a new movie that's not in the same universe, but while at the same time they also have movies that are in a universe coming out, it's like really contrived the whole thing they're going for. They're just confusing. They're just banking on the Joker being so recognizable.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what it's always been. And then we're getting another suicide. Side Squad movie that's not the same and it's a reboot by James Gunn. Yeah. It's crazy. Lettos Joker just doesn't exist anymore, I guess.

That's great. That's the best news I've heard all day. It's so funny. Yeah. Have you seen anything else from Todd Phillips, either of you? Aside from the Hangover movies. All right. What else? What is he done other than Hangover movies? Yeah, what else is he done? I'm going to pull him up.

He did war dogs. He did Doodate. More like do-do date. I haven't seen it. Got them. Yeah. It's just a bunch of big comedy movies, like cheesy comedy movies, road trip,

Starsky and Hutch 2004, old school. Like, this is why I'm not sold on this movie yet is because, like, what? You got this guy? Weird choice. Very strange choice.

They should have gotten Lynn Ramsey to make it. She made that movie with Joaquin Phoenix last year. And it kind of reminds me of that. This Joker movie reminds me that. You were never really here. Yeah, but that wasn't as commercially successful as a Todd Phillips film. That's true.

Hopefully we got the hangover of Joker movies. Who the fuck knows? We can only speculate at this point. There's so little that's out. Do we want to talk about the recommendation? from last episode. Let's do it. So this is the part of the podcast where we talk about a movie that was recommended from the previous episode.

It was my turn to recommend a movie, and I decided to recommend something that I've always wanted to talk about on this podcast since we started it. And the full title is Jean Dilman, 23 Que de Commerce 180 Brussels Brussels

and the entire title is basically just her name and address and it's a very

art house film from Chantal Ackerman who is very well known in terms of like film buff film heads and like film school communities.

She really paved the way for like experimental like feminist art house cinema. And I'm not going to, I don't really want to say my exact thoughts on this movie before hearing what you guys thought of it. So take it away, boys. I'm fascinated, but Ralph Lerl. You're fascinated what I thought Oh Well do you want to describe the Yeah

So there's a woman named Jean Diehlman And her husband died six years before the movie starts And she gets things done around the house And she receives a letter from her sister Talking about how her sister Is you know cries when she thinks of her and how she should remarry and become happy, but she's like stubborn and doesn't want to.

And then she just kind of gets absorbed into her routine, and that becomes the only thing that defines her until she snaps at the end of the movie. And that's pretty much the movie. There is more to say about it, but that's the gist of it. Of course. Well, I like this movie

It is very Very long It's very long It is too long Too long I would say too long But I get why it's long And I don't want to hold it against it

But at some point it's like okay I kind of I wish this movie would have a bit more respect for my time Because watching her like peel potatoes or whatever the fuck for making coffee like cleaning the tub going down to the store it's a lot

and I can understand why a lot of people wouldn't like this movie but by that same token there's so many great things about it what about you Alex you talk a bit more about it so like all good art its point is to get some kind of reaction out of you and the reaction I got out of me was intense frustration and anger because I was so bored

I understood exactly what it was going for it's a film that's way more fun to talk about and write about and read about than it is to watch it kind of forgets that it well it doesn't even forget it's like this weird barrier it has

by it's like look this is the point of the movie it's very like it's very obvious that's the point of the movie so you sit there and you're like it's hard to even criticise it for doing what it's doing but at the same time it is like

intensely boring and what it's doing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So here's my experience with the movie, is I found it when I was like, I think 17. I watched it, didn't know anything about it. So same as your guys' first experience, I guess.

About halfway through, I was like, how long is this fucking movie? And I checked the time. And I realized it was halfway through where a normal movie would be like over by that point. But it's still going. And I was like, holy shit. And I powered through it.

And I was with. one of my friends and we kind of like chatted over the movie and like you know just pointed things out that we observed and you know just had had a fun time but we weren't like quietly sitting and respecting the movie like we were kind of just like shooting the shit over it and by the end of it i was like you know what i'm glad that exists but it was a painful experience and i and i and i thought about it more and i and i thought about how the painful experience of the film the boredom and the frustration and the frustration and the anger that you experienced are all kind of intended from the film and that you're supposed to

feel that. That's the weird thing. You're supposed to feel this character's emotions. Yeah, that was like 10 years ago and it's always been kind of like in the back of my mind of like there's a greater discussion to have about this film that's more than just the film itself, I guess.

And so I always wanted to talk about it on this podcast. And I realized that my recommendation was on April 1st. And so I decided for a painful movie, I would April full both of you. But to my surprise, when I watched it the second time, I actually kind of fell in love with it. I wasn't expecting to like it as much as I did

when I watched it the second time. I think that experiencing the film, knowing full well what it's going for and knowing how slow it's going to be, before you even start it is a really beneficial aspect towards your experience out of the film. Like, I didn't even really feel bored this time. And it sucks because I was wrestling with the idea of letting you guys know what the movie is before watching it.

But then it's like I couldn't, not just because of the whole April Fool's thing, but because that would essentially be me telling you what to think about the film and that I just couldn't do that. So my advice is even if you were very frustrated with this film and you just don't like it overall, give it like five years and come back to it. Like seriously, because like it was exactly what I was thinking. It was a very eye-opening experience watching it for the second time. Like I think it's brilliant now.

Like I was kind of meming about it before, but I actually love it now. That's exactly what I was going to say. Because like I would like to revisit this a few years from now when I have more context and I'm older and you know But as right now, there's a lot to appreciate about it just on a technical level too I think it looks great Oh yeah, it does The way it's shot is fantastic The production design in terms of like her green clothing and then the green furniture and the white walls There's a lot of green and white in it that's used really well

And yeah it's just like the symmetry of everything it was kind of Wes Anderson-y how it was shot Yeah, everything was like stationary and like just just really purposeful. And I loved how you really got a feel for the environment, you know, because a lot of it is shot basically in real time. When she's walking from one room to the other, you get a feel for the space of the apartment that she's in, turns off the light, walks into another room, does her other thing, you know, cleans some shit.

Like you feel like you're there. And it's one of those movies that, really does a great job at putting you into the perspective of the character and obviously

as we've mentioned the character winds up you know going insane because of the boring repetitive

mundane routines of our own life and it's one of the craziest most unique and out there

movies ever really and it's like it's a painful experience the first time especially and it's you almost

can't recommend it to people but then you can at the same time it's so bizarre yeah it's very it's very hard to get through it feels like when you go to like an art installation somewhere

that you go to the tape modern and you see this big screen playing like a movie like this and you're like what is this and you stand there for a few minutes and it's like okay she's just she's what she's just cleaning she's just cooking like minutes at time and then you go and you read the description that's next to the screen and it's like okay I get it

that's like the explanation it's like you get it and then you really don't want to sit through it yeah you do and i got something out of it yeah i got something out of it but that's the weird thing because i do feel like i got something out of it but i didn't enjoy watching it really at all yeah and that's the hard part when coming to recommending it it's like i don't know yeah because it's such an investment i feel like and annoyed yeah do you have four hours to kill? A lot of people don't have four hours to kill. They got fucking jobs and families and shit. Yeah. What are you going to spend four hours watching something to frustrate you? It is well made and it has something to say.

Yeah. It is so strange to talk about. But like you were saying all the sort of technical aspects are quite good. I agree. But where it was really kind of annoying me was a lot of the acting felt really kind of stiff and unnatural to me. Like, it didn't feel like real people talking. To me, it kind of felt like these weird exposition dumps were just kind of coming out. Yeah, it's hard to tell when, obviously, they're not speaking English, and you're trying to kind of figure out, like, what's going on here, like, how's their delivery and stuff like that. But I had this weird air about it to me.

Very formal. Well, I think I get what you're talking about. I don't know if you're particularly referencing the scene where she's reading the letter, from her sister. But what I got out of that is like, yeah, it's like she's kind of reading it off as though it's a grocery list, but that's because she's so separated and detached. And, like, there is no emotional bond between her and her son. And they only talk about these mundane things. Like, the only thing that she says to him at the dinner table is, like, stop reading your book. Like, don't read your book at the table. And then they just sit in silence for the entire meal. And you feel

like this incredibly awkward disconnect between them and you understand just how broken her life is and how she can't even have this maternal connection with her son that later in the film she explains like that was her entire motivation for getting into this life in the first place that she wanted to have a home and she wanted to have a child and now she has that and her husband's dead but she's just absorbed into this never-ending routine

where she's essentially just trying to keep herself busy at any given time in the day. And as soon as her routine gets disrupted, it's this kind of like this series of dominoes that fall where she overcooks her potatoes and then she drops her cutlery and then she has to go back to the store and then she's an hour late for this other thing.

And then the person who's normally working at the coffee shop where she's there isn't there anymore and someone else is in her spot. and the camera, like, it's in the center of the shot is the spot where you saw her sitting last time. And so it's like very heavily implying that that was part of her routine, even though you only saw it once. And the main character is off to the side. And you can see just how like out of her own element and uncomfortable she is because she's been doing the exact same thing for like six years. And then all of a sudden it's because her routine is broken and her routine defined her entire life, she falls apart.

And it's insane. I kind of just went on a rant. I enjoyed that. No, it was a good rant. And to further add to that, I thought she was pretty great. I think a lot of the acting was static and very formal. I think that was intentional. But she really delivered.

And the fact that the cinematography is so static, allows her to, like, play with the space more. It allows her to control the space almost. And I love that about it. Yeah. Like, as soon as she gets an hour of free time, because her schedule fucked up and her routine got dismantled. She's just left at the end of the movie like, okay, now I have like an hour and I don't know what to do with myself

because I've already done everything. She started like dusting all of these ornaments in her cupboard that just look fine already. She just sits and you can see in her character. She's like, in that moment, this is the first time she's self-reflected in so long. And that causes her to eventually snap. is she's in that position where she can't distract and occupy herself for the first time in like six years. Yeah, she's like completely detached in every way.

She's clearly like heavily depressed or something along the lines. She just has like no reason to live. So she puts all of her, she kind of just distracts herself. Yeah. The routine. It's just the routine goes on for hours and hours. And you have to watch every, in excruciating detail, which, Yeah, is the point, but it does try your patience.

Yeah. And it's so realistic, too, because there are people that do that. There are people that are constantly looking for something to fill up their time so that they don't have to think about their own lives. It's insane. I love this movie. Yeah. In terms of, like, realism, how do you feel about this final snap at the end in terms of how that's kind of portrayed?

Yeah. That's what I was going to talk about. because I like a lot about this movie, but the ending, there was a lot I didn't like about it. I thought as a whole it was kind of goofy. Just how it was executed at the end? The execution of it and just as a story beat itself, it's like, okay, so this is a very slow movie

where it's very intricate character stuff, and then it ends with like a big murder. Like, she snaps. And it's like, okay, that was like an obvious way to go. But I feel like it was a little predictable. I feel like the first time I watched it, I kind of felt that way, but not the second time. Because I feel like the film as a whole, part of the reason why I wasn't as bored watching it the second time is because it functions

much better when you're watching it in its entirety with the understanding that she is essentially like a lit fuse, that she's like a ticking time bomb and that she's slowly deteriorating over the course of the film. And like even before her entire routine is disrupting, and dismantled. Like, this might just be based on interpretation alone. Like, there might not be that much in the film that really shows it because it's a lot of subtlety. But you can see with that understanding of the information, you can at least imagine or

project onto her even this idea of her not being happy. Like, even when, you know, she's cooking and you can see her making an entire meatloaf and you're just looking at her face and you're going. like, wow, she's really just trying to distract herself from how unhappy and unfulfilled she is. Yeah, well, it leaves time for the audience to put their own emotion and onto her and think about what she's going through. And kind of, it lets the audience do a lot of the work, which is what's great about it. But, you know, it's still, in terms of the execution at the end, it still looked pretty fake. There was like a goofy grunt when he died.

Yeah. Yeah, it was just, you know, silly. And the rest of the movie's so realistic. It's so realistic. I didn't get bothered by it the second time. Partially because having watched it for the first time in like 10 years, I remembered it being goofier. And then I watched it and I was like, oh, that wasn't actually as bad as I remembered.

So maybe that's part of it. So are you like ready and willing to rewatch it? Yeah. Based on your first impressions, it sounds like you, like... I'm a fucking trooper. I'm fucking hardcore. I wasn't about to like April pulls you with a four hour long movie of a woman cleaning her house and then not do it myself That'd be a dick move

You know? I had to suffer too But it turns out that I didn't really suffer because I loved it the second time So it worked out Is there like a shorter cut of this movie Yeah it makes me wonder I would love to rewatch it but I would like it to be two and a half hours maybe or two hours It's the same thing to be trimmed down And be more succinct

I took bathroom breaks During the transitions from one day to the next So whenever the title card came up End of day one, end of day two That's when you know Like stretched my legs and And like made a drink and You know, got a snack

So maybe that's the correct way to watch it Because like I was fully anticipating what this movie was So I didn't I was comfortable doing that Yeah I don't know if the film would have just been more entertaining if it was more this is going to make me sound like such a normy moron

no don't say it I'm thinking I'm imagining like a visually kind of creative and energetic director taking a hold of a similar concept and using because the film is kind of structured in a pretty formulaic way in terms of like

acts three days each one is basically acts as an act. So you can imagine that being condensed and a very similar story being told in a more... But then I... But then it's not this movie. Then it's not the movie anymore. And it's not groundbreaking. It doesn't capture that.

It's not artistic. It's no longer this gigantic milestone in artistic art house cinema, you know. That wouldn't capture her emotion as well. Yeah, it wouldn't be an important movie anymore. This is exactly what we should be feeling because this is what she's going through. And it's hard as fuck to get through. I get it. I mean, it's hard for me, too.

But, like, I can't picture the story being told another way. Yeah, it can't be. Because then it's not the same movie anymore. It would just defeat the purpose. Yeah. It's weird. It's super strange and unique. And it's what makes it good and bad at the same time.

Mm-hmm. I'm glad we're talking about it. Yeah. I wonder how many of our viewers watched it at the whole thing. Well, it was really hard to even find. for me. Like I bought the... Well, I just found it on Amazon.

The Blu-ray, but it didn't work in anything I owned, so I had to find it in other ways, which is really annoying. That sucks. Yeah, because you got yours pretty early. Yeah. Right? No, but I couldn't play off it. This is already on top of it.

Oh, well. No, because I had to import the, like, Criterion from, like, Italy or something. And, you know, I don't have a DVD player that can play, or a Blu-ray player that can play, you know. anywhere. Just get one of those region-free ones. You're like a couple hundred bucks, two or three hundred bucks.

Canadian, I guess. But yeah, I mean, I think it's one I'm just going to have to sit on and think about. Because I certainly don't want to see the film again anytime soon. Give it five years. I do get it.

Yeah, give it five years. It's just sounds so weird to say that. It'll be on your mind. Or at least if your experience was anything like mine. Like, I never forgot about that movie. it's always been on my mind in the back of my mind at least it's so strange to have a film where

its best and worst qualities are the same thing yeah it's so strange so you can't quite wrap your head around it because you can't you can't say to someone check out this like nearly four hour long movie about like nothing on paper that's purposefully boring but it's great

frustrating and mundane yeah yeah that's a good it depends how you look question we got about like films that are hard to sell from the description or something. I think we have a question coming up later about that kind of thing. It's like, this is one of those. It's just so strange.

I kind of felt bad because it was only like two or three episodes ago where we were talking about the length of a film being justified in terms of the experience. And as soon as I mentioned it was a long film and I think Ralph said like, ooh, I was like, I got this impression that you guys maybe thought that I was recommending one where like it would be very entertaining throughout and I kind of felt bad because because this is not one of those this is not one of those at all and I couldn't spoil it I couldn't say anything but well I did ooh because it's it's exciting when you say this movie's four hours long it sounds like oh this is something else this is like an interesting it is going to be something I've yeah and it is it is really out there it's

it's something that stands out well yeah the the the best thing that that came out of the movie for me was while I was watching it I was talking to someone I know who does refer to themselves as like a feminist so like this is right of their alley because of it being like you know progressive

feminist filmmaking and we went into this huge discussion about like what the film was trying to say with its you know what it was going for and it was like this whole thing that evolved into the discussion of you know women in cinema because the whole film it was an all female

crew if I understand correctly. Like 80%. I think the IMDB trivia says 100%, but the interview she gave on the criteria in Blu-ray said 80%. Okay. So mostly sort of female perspective. Maybe like the production crew was female, but like the pre-production people and the editor was male.

I don't know. There's a lot of women worked on this movie. The most important role is a huge feminist film. We're all female in terms of the production. Right. Yeah. So that perspective, I think, is really valuable, especially because of the time period and when it came out and how, you know, horribly sexist, everything, you know, still was in the 70s.

Exactly. So that kind of thing's really interesting. But how did you guys kind of interpret the sort of feminist angle? What do you think I was trying to say? Like the conversation around, I guess, like women's roles in family life and households being caregivers and looking after the home, like that's all very commonplace today. I'm not sure it was as commonplace in the seven so this was like a fairly kind of I don't know if radical is the right word but but like kind of a very new perspective

a very new perspective especially for filmmaking and I really enjoy that this movie which was for the most part made by women did manage to tell a new and interesting story based on a feminine perspective that

felt really genuine and real. It's like how you'd never think that you could make a movie about a woman cleaning her house and having it be anything like substantive, but it was. And I know that like there are people who will watch this and completely disagree, I guess.

I know that there's people who would think this movie is just pretentious crap or something. But I really, I really do think it's like a fairly genius, intelligent film. It's groundbreaking. Do you think you're supposed to treat the main character as if she's some kind of victim to be it society or whatever? It really depends on how you look at it because there's lines in the film that kind of

support that, you know, when she was talking about how she wanted a child in a home and she met her husband and you know she said he was kind of ugly but she kind of just you know went with it anyway and one of the lines was because that's what you did at the time and she was talking about i think like after the war or something there was some war yeah i think i'm not i'm really not educated on on that or anything but like this film obviously is trying to make statements on like the roles of of women in society so i think that that that's perfectly valid to be talking about this film from, like, I guess, kind of a feminist perspective. Yeah, I was just trying to figure out, because a big part of the film is that she's like a prostitute and uses her body for like monetary gain.

I was wondering if the film was trying to sort of convey that she shouldn't have to feel guilt for that or because I guess, I don't know, I'm not deep in the, you know, I'm like a white guy. I can't really talk about 17. We're all white guys. Yeah, so I'm trying to say like there's clearly something going on there and I'm just desperately trying to figure out

like exactly what it was going for and I guess that's part of it is just trying to figure out what you take from it because they're like broader themes you could kind of take away from it like broader. Sorry.

I don't know, just like I don't even know how to explain it because it's so like moldable in terms of what you can take away from the experience. There's a lot left up to the audience and it's so long and there's just a lot to take out of it. Well, yeah, that's another thing. To watch it just once, it's hard to get everything and I play like seeing it again at some point. Half the time you are just, your mind wanders while she is just doing something monotonous like, you know, just washing the bath. And so like a real person, your mind starts to wander, just like it probably would for her.

And you just start thinking about, what were they going for in the scene? What's the overarching sort of message and themes of this supposed to be? And that's kind of where the enjoyment lies. It's so strange that it is for a detached movie to have a detached kind of meaning that's separate from it. Yeah, much of the film is interpretation. Yeah. It's the best and worst thing about it, like the symbolic story. telling is really good, but sometimes it can be a bit, a bit much when it's just, it's that

runtime, man. Like, I'm not be surprised if people, like, try watching this movie and are like, what the fuck? We've been watching this for 30 minutes. And there's been no progression. Like, nothing's happened. Yeah, I think she, like, reads the letter from her sister, like, close to an hour through the movie or something.

Pretty far into it. And that's really considered, like, the first bit of story there. Yeah. it's nuts it's nuts to talk about it's nuts to try and recommend and I mean as far as unique experiences

I don't regret watching the movie or anything it's just really hard to recommend it should be like a thing people do now is just recommend this movie on April Fool's and see what I can get out of it yeah well it was like I was just waiting for the correct time and then it was my recommendation

on April 1st and I was like fuck I got to do it you know when the fuck am I going to do it yeah I had to do it Yeah, man. I really love how this is essentially, like many other films that we've talked about on this podcast, this is a film that exemplifies the idea of creating a new experience in terms of how something is told. And so if you were to take these same shots and put them in a different film where, you know, her making her meatloaf or, you know, her coffee going bad and her trying to figure out if it's the milk or not or dropping a, you know,

a piece of cutlery or just cleaning whatever, you put that into a different film. Let's say it's a part of a, you know, just like a transitionary scene or a montage or something. You don't get nearly as much from it as you do in this film. When you, when you strip away the idea of having like a, I guess like a really fast-paced narrative or plot, when you strip those things away, then you're essentially forced to look at the smaller details, which in a way is kind of thematic, because they're taking ideas like women's roles being in the home,

cooking, cleaning, et cetera, things that people often, you know, take for granted in society and just don't think about, and they're adding a new lens to it. They're adding a new perspective to it. And so you start to notice these subtle details in terms of her facial, expressions or these like weird ticks like she'll just you know when she was she was sitting at the

dinner table with her son and you can just see her hand wander and she flattens out the the tablecloth and it's already flat to begin with it's just like it's a small thing it's it's unnoticeable in any other movie but it adds so much character in this movie and it's so weird because you're you're forced to consider these smaller things more significant than if it were told in a different way. Yeah. Yeah. Did you find it to be quite, I don't know, it was, it made me kind of upset after watching

it because it was like, this is so bleak. It's like deconstructing the fucking repetition of day-to-day life where it's like, look, you do this kind of shit every day. Oh, yeah. You do the same thing every single day. Like, no matter what, you're going to be cooking something, you're going to be eating something, and you're going to be doing tasks, like, cleaning and all this shit that you have to do.

It's like, oh, by the end of the movie, it's like, Dude, this shit's heavy right now, man. Oh, yeah, I was noticing this weird, I don't know if irony is the right word, I was noticing, before I watched the movie, I was like, oh, wait, I'm going to do the dishes first, and then I started doing the dishes, I was like, oh, wait, this is the movie. I am jean dealman. Yeah, it's like crushingly disparaging. It's so bleak.

Yeah, my kind of movie. Again, that is the point. Yeah. Yeah, right up your alley. Life sucks. I mean, yeah, to me, it's a valuable experience if it can get any kind of emotion out of you. And it clearly did for me, so it did its job, whether I enjoyed it or not. That's a valuable experience at the end of the day, so.

Yeah, this was the first movie that I've recommended where I honestly had no idea what you guys were going to think about it. I was talking with my roommate, like, will they hate it? Like, will they just be mad? Because there's no other movie like you But I can see a lot of people hating it And I totally understand if you hate this But like I think it's important

First of all And I think there's a lot to appreciate about it And if this sounds like it's for you Because someone must This must sound appealing to somebody A four hour long like Movie with feminist themes in it Like I thought it was pretty interesting

For the most part Could have been a little shorter No But then at the same time It can't be shorter Maybe maybe cut out some of the potato skidding Some of the bathtub cleaning Like make it a minute shorter

I am going to use her meatloaf recipe I'm going to watch the scene And I'm going to recreate it as like an instructional video Yeah you could learn how to make food Like the main critique Who's the guy who does the cooking from From movies Binge with the Bavich? He needs to do that

I was saying that I was like, yeah, he should make the meatloaf from Jean Diehlman. But he won't because it's like nobody's heard of that movie. Yeah, nobody's heard of that fucking movie, so. Nah, he needs to do it. He does like Rick and Morty. There's no way he's going to do this. Oh, he needs to do this.

Come on, he has to be running out of ideas now. I don't think he's going to. He should. And it should be shot like this too, and the video should be four hours long. Yeah. It's like he's done cooking. and it just follows him around his apartment. And then he stabs somebody with scissors.

Brushing his teeth. Jesus. I love how the way that they showed her snap at the end, like there was enough where you understood that it wasn't necessarily premeditated. Like it was a snap. It wasn't like, oh yeah, she decided she was just going to stab somebody. You know, she brings the scissors in

because she's opening the package with the jacket or whatever. And then he comes over and she just leaves the scissors on the, the desk and then all of a sudden it's like oh it's right there and then after that moment she snaps her body language was very good throughout the oh yeah it kind of it you know it did a lot more communication than any any words do in the film yeah i think it was really really well acted in my opinion yeah but who knows it could just be one of those things where it's like you're you're stripped the way of all of these other elements and it's it it forces you to to project and interpret things

into the film from yourself. Who knows? Well, yeah. She's not overacting. The director probably gave her something to think about and she's just internalizing that. Yeah, you project a lot onto that blank face. That's the best acting there is.

It's just fucking sitting there doing nothing. Yeah. I think the director, Chantal Ackerman, was like in her 20s when she made this. Her first short film was, I think, in the last short film, Let me look this up. Was, I think, in like 68 or something, and I think she was 18.

But yeah, she's crazy. Born. Yeah. I would like to check out some of her other works. The first short film that she made was on the special feature, so I watched that. But there's some other stuff from her that is, I guess, just taught in film schools because she is a very influential director in film history. Yeah, she is.

The Meetings of Anna is a very good movie I've seen that The Meetings of Anna Yeah the meetings of Anna Have you seen that one? I have not No I don't know

I don't know I've heard good things about Je do ill I'll I'll I'll Jeteril El J Tidil

Eil her in class and I've watched her stuff with other people yeah she's hugely important to film especially women in film mm-hmm yeah yeah was this the first female director that we've had for the recommendation on the podcast no um the happy as Lazaro oh yeah that's a licea Rosco that's right yeah damn it ha beat you to it yeah it's older though so it wins yeah uh I get the progressive points. Woo!

I did it. Fuck! I needed my brownie points. It's okay. Now I'm not a good person. All right, what are you, what are your guys' ratings? Yeah. How do you,

yeah, Alex, what's yours? Most curious about yours. Dude, I don't know what to give it. Awesome. Like with every other film. Even climax I came to a climax with and decided. what number to give it What was that?

I gave it a four star In the end of that one Good I have no clue Honestly for this one It's like At the same time A one star and a five star

Yeah But I don't think it's fair either So I'm like trapped Yeah Because then That's something Just imply that it's average But it's not

Yeah exactly That's the sign of an interesting piece of work It's something you don't know what to give it. I'll give it three out of five. I think there's a lot to enjoy about it. And again, like I said, I think it's very important. It looks great. Acting is pretty good for the most part. Gorgeous production design and all that. Yeah, I would recommend it if this sounds like something you can sit through, which is not most people. And I understand that. And it's totally like,

oh, you don't want to sit through this? I totally understand. It doesn't make you like an idiot. it or like a normie to not want to sit through this four hour long movie it's totally understandable uh after my first watching like 10 years ago or so after reflecting on it i gave it a seven second watch okay fuck it it's an eight out of ten i love it i think it's great i really really enjoyed it my second time in ways that i was not expecting and uh alics you're sticking with your undecided well i i will rate it eventually but just follow on I need a few more days to think about this. Okay.

Yeah, you need to see it a few more times. Watch it three more times and then let us know. Just before we get into questions, there's something else I wanted to mention. It was shot in a real apartment. If you Google Maps, the address, you can see like the outside area where she was walking. And it's pretty crazy. And as they were filming it, because they had to... such limited space for the camera.

So the kitchen shots, the DP, she thought it was like too close. Like her hands were too big. And sometimes when she was moving her hands and it was closer towards the camera, it's like, oh, no, her hands are way too big. And Shantel was like, yeah, you start to see those things after you've gone through so much footage. But, you know, in the movie, you can't really tell. But what they wound up doing was they reshot the kitchen scenes on a stage that they built

so that they could have the camera further back. And then they wound up using none of those. So they completely reshot all the kitchen scenes and then we're just like, you know what? The real kitchen is better. Yeah. Wow. Oh, damn. Great movie.

Reshoots. It sounds like something DC would do. Question time? I guess so. Question time. We actually got some really good questions this time. Way better than last episode's ones. Okay.

I'm just going to say that right now. Not to put down last week's ones, they were okay. but they really went above and a be on for these ones. Are these ones epic? Oh dude, you just wait and see. But if you want to leave your own questions for us to answer, possibly, head over to the Saadona cast Reddit, where Ralph will leave a funny thread.

And I liked his one for this episode, which was just a video of his face saying leave questions below. That was a nice little surprise for the fans. I'm glad you liked it. Okay, let's start off with one from McCorm. Carl Shadda Carl, who said, aside from good old Derek Savage, have any of the directors responded to your reviews of their films, whether it be negative or positive? Stacey title responded to my bye-bye man one. That's right, yeah.

Yeah, I said it was like a piece of shit on Twitter or something. I'm like, who likes this movie? And then she tweeted back at me like Rolling Stone, New York Times, you know, people gave her good reviews. I'm like, you got me there. That's it, though. I think Dax Shepherd liked one of the Chips tweets. Not one of mine, like one of my fans tweeted something dumb. About eating ass, really.

Yeah, something about eating ass. Jesus Christ. Adam? I think that's it. Yeah, quite a few times. Jim Cummings, who directed Thunder Road, not the voice actor, but the other Jim Cummings. He watched and responded to my review positively. Joe Penna, Mr. E Guitar Man, sent me a screener of Arctic, and that's how I watched it in the first place.

So obviously, you saw my review and, you know, I was happy that I gave it a positive review. There's, Ova Bull follows me on Twitter. Maybe he hasn't seen the videos where I've taken shots at him. Nice. And he's liked some of my tweets. And he has a restaurant, like an award-winning German restaurant in Vancouver, and I really want to go to it. apparently it's great you should go

yeah I really want to figure out that you don't like him it's not I can't say it like him I just his movies don't like his films I might love his food he'll challenge you do

I might love his food I forgot to mention a celebrity sorry the Safty brothers nice liked something yeah they liked that I thought good time was the best movie the year

so that was nice yeah they're great yeah uh Derek Savage obviously don't need to go into that Michael Goy The director of Megan is missing

This one's probably the best one He saw my review And I mentioned in my review He very clearly has like Google alerts on or something He's commented on like every single Mention of his movie on the internet At that point anyway And he he left these comments under my reviews

Like oh yeah well Haters make me famous like basically I'm paraphrasing just like, oh, more people are watching it on Netflix now. You just don't get it. And then when he realized that, like, nobody in the comments section was defending him and that people were just, like, calling him out, he was like, oh, well, maybe if this were the real Michael Goy, then you'd be smart.

But you're stupid. I'm actually a troll. And he pretended not to be him. And then I responded to his comment, like, hey, if you click on your profile, you can see a trailer for your film uploaded years before it was released. So way to go on the long con here. You're like you're like five year troll or something. Like you uploaded this trailer on your channel like so long before typing this comment to pretend you're Michael Goy and then pretend you're not.

And what's the ultimate irony about this is like his entire movie is this like dangers of the internet. Like your kids are on the internet sort of horror movie. And he clearly doesn't understand the internet, which I pointed out in the review obviously. I'm like, this isn't how any of this shit works. And so it just proved my points, I guess, by him responding in that way. No, you're just a hater, man. There's probably more directors. Oh, yeah, the director of Shazam retweeted me.

He was like, he literally said, wow, a positive review from your movie sucks. Yeah, that was pretty cool. That's neat. But yeah, he started out, like, as a, like his first short or whatever lights out was like a YouTube thing. so it's cool that he's engaging watching with the community. I really feel like we're going to be seeing more of that as time goes on because, you know, this is the new generation of media. So new directors are probably going to start out watching a lot of content similar to what we make.

So they're going to be aware of us and it, you know, just further legitimizes what we're doing, I guess. What about you, Alex? I got a couple good ones. So probably the most interesting one is Both the Smosh members Oh yeah Anthony and Ian Had polar opposite responses

To my video on the Smosh movie Ian Hickox Got really offended by my review And was very upset and tweeted at me That he You know I was putting him down or whatever Smearing another YouTuber for trying something new

Was his words You're not allowed Dude Yeah But like Then Anthony came in just the other day, weirdly enough, into the comment section and said,

this is actually so accurate it hurts. So it's like the opposing members of Smosh. For this, the Smosh movie video. Yeah, that's... Yeah. Just mad. Like, the two leads.

We talked about in one of the really early episodes on this podcast, I think, about when they, I guess, broke up when Anthony decided he's not a part of Smosh. anymore and just like the extreme contrast in terms of like how each of them announced it like anthony gave this really like heartfelt like community you know video like hey this is why i'm not doing this like he was very genuine and then ian just did this like full scale production where the entire video is like hey you know what we've got like 20 writers on this anyway so it doesn't matter

that he's gone hey guys we're a corporate machine and not even not even being aware of in any way of how that looks and like I mean he didn't get like a negative response to it or whatever aside from just me shitting on him a little but it was it was just so telling in the ways that yeah they decided to each announce that they're not working with each other anymore it was it said everything really yeah there's a big like philosophical difference oh yeah between those two which is great to see yeah so not surprising that they reacted in that way they should make a movie about them one day It's a very interesting conflict they have. I don't want to over dramatize it.

It'll be a biopicize. Is that the word? Dramatize? Dramatize? Dramatize? Whatever. Dramatize? Whatever works.

Sounds right. Yeah, we know how you think, Ralph. Labrith. Yeah, that's how I do it. Sounds good enough. Labrith. Lupta. Labrith, yeah.

Oh, how do you say it then? Lupra. Lupita, we said it twice in the podcast before you mispronounced it. Lupita, Niango. Whatever. Exactly, exactly, whatever. The American attitude. Fuck it.

Works for me. Sounds right. Yeah. Next question. Was that it? Alex? Just smosh? One other one, I guess, of no.

Oh, okay. Sorry, I thought we were going on the next question. I'm sorry. his name is Louis Louis Schoenbrun who directed The Amazing Bulk Oh He sent me a message

Oh that guy Yeah And he was like The opposite of Derek Savage He was like He was really cool about it He supported the video He didn't threaten me

He was like I appreciate You know Getting the movie To more eyes So more people can see it And whatever Yeah

Yeah That was neat I appreciate that one It was nice to have that to the proper reaction. Derek Savage was the opposite of Derek Savage at one point.

When he reacted to my video, he was fine. And then I guess he just didn't like your accent or something. Yeah, he just hates British people. No good punk bitch. Flying point of... If a director is proud of the movie, then they shouldn't, like, insult people or anything. Even if people don't like it, it's like, I made the movie,

I'm happy with it. And just move on with your life. Why do all these directors, like, insults? people and get so defensive about it. Like, Zach Snyder, like what you were just reading, like Derek Savage, it's like you made art and you're happy with it. And of course not everyone's going to like it. So just fucking deal with it and move on.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel the same way. It's like a bunch of babies. You know, I've been working on my album for like three years now. Like if Anthony Fantano doesn't like it, if he gives it a negative review, it doesn't matter. You know, as long as I'm happy with it. Yeah. That's always the thing.

At the end of the day, you've still made. something. Yeah. You know? No one can ever take that away. It's going to connect with people that feel the same way, and not everybody's going to feel that way. Mm-hmm.

And the people who it doesn't connect with, they'll watch and complain about it for 10 minutes and move on. That's it. So that's just the way it is. Someone will make a three-part, your music sucks on my album. Oh, yeah. Satona cast has a pretty interesting question. Whenever Roger Ebert went to the theater, he would always sit in the,

in a seat twice as far back as the screen is wide. So my question is, do you guys have a specific seat that you always sit in when you go to the theater? Is that seat at an angle or height which makes watching a movie more enjoyable somehow? Or does it not matter where you sit in the theater because it doesn't impact your experience? Oh, it matters. I always pick the direct middle. Yeah, I'm the same.

Yeah, I try to get centered. I try to have it, like, fill up my peripherals in a way I'm in like row C or D depending on the size of the screen. Yeah. If it's Cinerama, you have to be like toward the front, middle. Otherwise, it sucks. Depending on the movie, I might sacrifice a bit of my viewing ideal angle. So in Serenity, the Matthew McConaughey one, that I walked into knowing that it would be a gigantic piece of shit and it would be really funny.

Get my seats. Turns out that there's not a lot of people in the theater. There's nobody really sitting in the, like, super front rows. And so in a movie like that I move closer to the front So if I'm giggling I'm not ruining anybody else's experience Sometimes I'll just try to try to like

Put myself a little bit further away from people So like if I'm You know trying my best to contain my laughter at a movie And you know there's other people that are trying to enjoy it Then I don't have to be near them and ruin their experience So Yeah That would be my exception

That's a good call Yep Okay Yep that's that Okay, let's go to one from Svartilnagoroth. I probably butchered that. I'm sorry.

This is an interesting one. Given that you three are long-term cinephiles, do you ever wonder if your experienced criticism alienates you from the majority of casual moviegoers simply because of your extended exposure and thus cynicism towards a wide variety of film in the industry that surrounds it? For example, when YMS might cry,

just don't think about it to highlight, contrived or contradictory plot logic, that may be exactly what a mainstream audience intends to do. Enjoy the spectacle and superficial escapism of the film without exerting the required disbelief or willpower to ask themselves why the scene they're watching would likely not make sense. Or when you note that Marvel characters have upcoming movie deals despite being deceased in universe, but a casual Marvel fan would simply not have cared to have done that research. Would or do you try to see the films you watch in the untradened eyes of a mainstream audience member who might have only had the chance to attend a cinema a few times a year as opposed to

individuals who have extensive industry knowledge. That's a long question. Yeah. That's a very long one. It's an interesting question. That's a reasonable statement to make. I think that if a trope really bothers you, if there's something that every movie does and you're pissed off for a movie not being original and just resorting to this checklist,

of formulas and tropes, that would bother someone who's seen other movies. But if it's the first movie you've ever seen, you're not going to know that it's a trope. So, I mean, like, that's an exaggeration, but that's essentially what it boils down to. Not to say that every opinion I have on a movie or, you know, being bothered by tropes and movies

is correct or anything. It's just a matter of perspective. Yeah, for me, I take it more as, I think it's kind of a pitfall to try and review movies from other people's Perspectives, right? Like for me, it's like when I'm reviewing a movie, it's my experience. It's only my experience, and that's all I can talk about.

And, you know, people take away what they want to from that. It's like that argument when people try to say, oh, it's just a kid's movie or whatever. It's like, well, I'm not a kid. I can't possibly talk about, you know, what a kid might like. Because kids, they like anything. You can just put anything on the fucking screen and they'll enjoy it. So that kind of thinking doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah.

I love that. It's like, oh, they just don't know what they're missing out on. It's like... Yeah. So I love the craft of filmmaking, and I judge it on those merits, basically. That's how I judge everything. Just the craft of it, how well made is it? And whether it's made for a kid or an adult or whatever, I demand the movie respects

the audience, and it does its best to tell a story and have a vision that's consistent. It doesn't matter what it is. It could be fucking Shazam. Shazam is an entertaining movie for mainstream audiences, and it's great for what it is. I wouldn't give it five stars, but we should compare that to fucking Batman versus Superman or Suicide Squad, or any giant piece of shit. And it's like, oh, just don't judge it, because just don't think about it. Don't think about it. It's just, it's like, yeah, if you don't think about it, probably it's fine.

But why the fuck would I watch a movie like that? I want to go into a movie thinking about it. I love thinking about movies. That's my experience. I love thinking about it too. And most people like thinking about it, and most people should think about film, because it's an art. And so it's like, oh, so we'll just throw some shit out to the audience,

and they don't have to think. It's like, no, don't do that. That's horrible. It's making people stupider. My favorite films are ones that get better the more I think about it, the ones that I can watch more than once and experience new things, watching it. my least favorite films are the ones that get worse when you think about it, you know, where things make less sense and there's less to appreciate.

You can say the same thing as you can about Synecichy, New York, towards like a Neil Breen film. You know, the more times I watch fateful findings, there's more things to pick up. It's better every time I think about it, you know. So I like having a lot of meat. I like having something I can chew on experience. Yeah, something I think about it.

Yeah. But we also respect that people don't watch films the same way we do. Some people just want to watch like a Disney animated movie because they have other stuff to worry about in life, and they just want to enjoy it. They don't want to watch a movie like Gene Dilman or whatever. I don't think most people would want to watch the movie I recommended. It's really epic.

There's no way. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. But there is an audience for that. watching and for the people who connect with us or for me in my opinions that's you know that's just what we do clearly a lot of people agree with what we say and it's important to be able to hear someone's perspective and at least be able to say you know what i disagree with you but i understand why you feel the way you do and that's how i try to make my reviews and that makes film is in a way where someone

can understand where i'm coming from even if they don't agree with me because otherwise what's the point. You're just preaching to the choir. Yeah, when you have multiple perspectives on a film, it makes it more interesting, just more interesting the art itself, the film itself. It makes it a more interesting piece. Yeah, you can't disregard at the same time how these people feel about the film, because, you know, there's a reason films like Fast and Furious and Transformers and all the Marvel movies and stuff, they make a ton of money. They make more money than every other type of movie out there. And it's because, you know, people just like basic escapism. They like seeing giant sharks eat people and just stupid stuff like that because it's just the enjoyment

of the like excessive nature of it all. It's just you don't have to think about your daily routine for a little bit and you can just go to another world for a minute. That's enough of some people and that's fine. Yeah. I mean films are a consumable product. You know, it's not just about art when you talk about the greater scheme of what cinema is. The movies that make the most money are like factory movies, you know, designed to appeal to the whitest audience possible. There are always going to be factory movies. That's not going to go away. What I would like is those factory movies to be made by creative people who respect the audience and go, okay, we can make a Shazam movie and make a billion dollars, but let's actually put something into it. Let's, let's,

you know, try and put some of ourselves into it. And there's a clear difference between a movie like that and a movie like, oh, uh, Catwoman. Yeah, Justice League. Justice League's a great example of literally a factory made movie. Like tons of producers,

no tone, just a mess. I want to, I want to see someone's voice in a film. I want to see something made by a person, not made by a factory, in my opinion. Or voices,

you know, because there's not just one voice in the film. There's the, there's the costume people making stuff. But a voice, even if it's a combined. A voice. voice. A singular vision that all comes together.

Some kind of cohesion to like a project that's clearly been thought through, yeah. And I think you can judge that. Yeah, no, I agree. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Good question. Cool. That was an awesome question.

Good question, yeah. Game Ron WV says, My question is, what is the point in using a five-star review system if you still rate things in half-stars as well? At what point, at that point you might as well just use a 10 point system. Yeah. For me, I don't know if you guys agree with this, but I think a 3 out of 5 stars is viewed differently than a 6 out of 10 is.

Yeah? I think that's, and that's the main reason that I go more towards the star thing. I think it does, people treat it differently. I think people see a 3 star and they're like, yeah. I couldn't even comment on this because I have no idea. I see them as the same. I just like the five-star rating system. I don't use the half-stars, but I've never thought of a six out of ten or three-star as different in my head.

I don't know. I guess that's just a me thing, then. It's just a me thing. Because I remember looking at like Empire Film Magazine or whatever and seeing, you know, movies getting three out of five stars and being like, oh, I might see that. But then if you see a movie on Metacritic only just get a 60, it might be more like, Yeah, probably going to give that. Maybe your brain reads it differently. Also, there's some of the big critics who use like four stars.

I was about to say. Roger Ebert.com, they use the four star system. Yeah, so three is like 75%. Three stars on that looks great. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter that much. No. I mostly just use the star thing because I use letterbox.

And it has stars, so whatever. Yeah. And it roughly says what you thought of the film. I thought it was good. No, I thought it was bad. Like a 3805 is like, oh, I thought it was pretty good. Oh, we have a good question here from Blumer 467. Hey, boys, I just wanted to hear your thoughts on an extremely polarizing person.

Seth MacFarlane. What are your opinions of his work? Him as a person, his Oscar hosting, and do you think he is genuine talent? Seth McFarland, everybody, the family guy himself. Yeah. He does a lot, and sometimes it's good. I think that's the thing. He does too much. I think he's very talented, but he's trying to be everything. You know?

Like, that's what I get from him. Do you like any of his movies? No. I like Ted, okay. He's got the two Ted movies and that Western, which is so embarrassingly bad that I think everyone was to forget about it. I couldn't sit through Ted. I was like 10 minutes through it and I shut it off. so didn't even try with a thousand ways to die in the West the trailer said enough I can't believe people were excited for that movie

people weren't excited for it yeah they were there were people that at least on the internet maybe it was all trolls maybe it was all bots I don't know yeah well yeah Seth McFarlane fans yeah he has a sizable fan base there's a lot of people who love the Orville so they think the Orville's better than that new Star Trek show yeah there's a lot of people that love them I just I'm not really entertained

By him at all. I think that he does great like voice acting. That's probably what he does best Yeah, that's what I was gonna say he does a lot of different characters very well Great voice actor, but otherwise- He's great in Hellboy too Where when was he in that? Oh, was he that he was that weird smoke Oh nice Creature guy yeah, yeah okay so he has been in like some decent stuff and I much prefer him as a voice actor Then like a joke writer or a director I think his directing is really bland I would like to see him work with a director who can like guide him

like in hellboy too because it's just when you leave him to his own devices it's like a disaster because he's a singer he's a dancer he's a voice actor he's an actor he like does everything and it's like all right dude you don't do everything well though

yeah like his his lead performance in that western he clearly had no clue how bad of a leading man he would be because oh my lord he has no charisma And it's like, I don't blame him because he's writing and directing the movie too, and he's working on 10 other shows.

But holy fuck, why didn't you just get an actor to be in it? Who else can you blame if not him, though? Yeah, it's his fault because he's so up his own ass. He's like, I have to do everything. I have to write every joke. I have to be in it. It's like, no, you don't. Yeah.

Family guy was funny to me when I was younger. And then even when I was younger, as soon as they came back from being canceled, I thought that they just weren't that funny anymore. Yeah. I like the bra and death scene That's good Oh, but apart from that Oh Jesus Yeah, I don't find it funny

Let's go to one from Ridlow Bazinga has a question for us We might have answered this before I can't remember though But I was encouraged by the return Of Game of Thrones to pick this question Do you guys think that an overabundance Of Sex sequences can ruin

an otherwise excellent movie or TV show. Sorry to sound like some fucking mum, but that's the question. Mom is mom, by the way. Depends on the work again. The world of Game of Thrones is permeated with like sex and violence. That's what makes it such, that's what makes it stand out in fantasy,

is that it has those elements, which most fantasy doesn't in such excessive amounts, right? They did go a bit far sometimes in Game of Thrones. There was this one point where it's like going three keyholes and it's like seeing all the various sex acts that are going on behind and and it and it goes to the point of like comedy because it's like a guy a peeping tom who's like looking through and watching people in like a hall house but then it like zooms out and he's like being sucked off while while watching and it's just like come on guys it's so silly that's the way the

game of thrones is i don't see anything wrong with sexuality or nudity movies yeah it depends on what it is as long as it's not you know yeah and it depends on the context too like is the actress and actor okay with this or is this like gratuitous and wrong uh blue is the warmest color yeah yeah well we can argue about the artistic well i mean the actresses themselves so long said that they felt like they were abused oh yeah that's what they said we felt like porn stars blue is the warmest color okay it was a pretty it was a pretty gratuitous sex scene it was really weird i mean it was it was it was like it was like like, okay, this movie is not for lesbians anymore.

This is for straight men. Yeah, it's just kind of a gut feeling, isn't it? Yeah, it depends on how it's done. Or like a horror movie from the 80s. Like, when one of them takes off their tops, you're like, yeah, this is just gratuitous nudity, so the audience could cheer. Yeah.

It's like, why do you need that in your movie? You don't really. It really depends. Don't Look Now had tons of nudity, and those to show how intimate the couple was, how they're a real couple, and I love that. Yeah, there's intention, but, Yeah, not like watchman.

Oh, that's a great example of like a pointless one that has nothing to... It doesn't fit in the movie at all. It makes the movie worse. Yeah, it's like, why the fuck is this in the movie? What? We don't need this. And then in a Gaspar Noe film, it's like you kind of just expect it. So it's fine.

Yeah. Gaspar No Way, it's so much, it's like gross. It's not even hot. Like, I get no pornographic pleasure or anything from that shit. It's like horrific. It's so hardcore. I don't understand how anyone could be turned on by that. I assume that's what people have issue with in terms of nudity in movies,

is that people take it as pornography. Well, yeah, that's the thing, too. It's like sometimes... Sometimes movies do kind of turn into pornography, and there's nothing wrong with pornography as a concept, but then you're kind of just alienating your audience based on what their sexual preferences are, which you can't really change.

Nobody decides. So it's like, oh, okay. You know, like being a gay dude sitting in a movie, it's like, am I supposed to have a boner now? Like, if there's nothing else that the scene is offering, you might as well just be showing me nothing. You might as well be showing me a chair, you know? If you're not attracted to it and the only thing you could possibly get out of it is a boner, then the movie's worse. But sex is also just a part of life. And if a movie's going to show it, show it all the way.

Exactly. No half measures. Nothing wrong with showing sex or nudity. It's just whether or not It has more to offer than just hey, that's hot Because then the movie just feels stupid Yeah A lot of shitty cheesy horror movies

Do that Just have sex scenes Yeah for the sake of having sex scene There was that movie called Mom and Dad with Nicholas Cage Directed by one of the directors of Crank It was not very good There's just this part in the movie Where like all of a sudden

doesn't add anything to the movie. It's like, we're going to cut to the mom character. She's doing her yoga workout. And just all these like completely unnecessary, like, butt and tit shots are just like, I'm getting nothing out of this right now. It's really just like, why is this in the movie? I thought I was watching like a horror movie.

You know, it felt like I was watching the Call on Me music video. But then the crank movies have some pretty funny examples of sex scenes. It helps it. It helps. Yeah, well, they're doing it for comedy. Exactly. That's what I mean

It adds to the movie Yeah For sure I don't think that They're fucking on a horse track Yeah And then in something A horse jumps over them

And they see a horse cock And then in something like Under the Silver Lake You know A lot of people complained About the sexual aspects of that film But it really does add to the movie It's commentary

You know It's talking about It's important to that character as well It's the way LA is Yeah It's talking about audience members And the perversion Of people watching

these films and nerd culture and all that. If it has a point to it, then it's great. Damn straight. Flip tricky has one. What world events do you think have had the most impact on cinema as an art form? I think he means the biggest impact, but whatever. You know what he means. World events, not events in cinema.

Okay. Yeah, like world events that have impacted cinema. The Holocaust. You know, something like 9-11. We got a whole lot of. The Holocaust movies. 9-11 for sure. I reckon Donald Trump being president.

Is that a pretty big impact on just art as a whole? Yeah, it has. It's hard to escape it in terms of like music and, you know, villains in movies being inspired by Donald Trump and stuff like that. The entire ending of Lilo and Stitch was changed because of 9-11. Yeah. Did you see the original scene? It's like on YouTube.

No, I heard about this. It was like a plane crashing into a building and they changed it to a mountain. Right? Yeah. They changed the entire setting. Really? And then there's movies that, like, had to delay their release dates. Like, there was an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie that had to be delayed because they were like, uh-oh, it's about terrorists.

What about? Yeah, Lord of the Rings. The Two Towers is the name of the second movie. Yeah. And it came out, what, 2002? Yeah. Spider-Man, though, the first ad for it had the World Trade Center in it, too. Yeah, he landed on.

They got rid of that in the movie. Yeah, there's definitely an impact there. And then, I don't know, if you want to call China's censorship law as world events, because that has an impact on Disney movies for sure. That's true, yeah. No ghosts, no gays. Well, the civil rights movement, several rights movement 100%. Before that, there were no black people in film at all.

And then they started getting nominated for Oscars, and they got their old sub-genres. And, yeah, the kind of black film became a thing because of that. Yeah, I mean, that's a huge thing. The world around us shapes the art that we create. Art is a reflection of life and vice versa. So it makes sense. Exactly. Yeah.

World War II probably affect cinema a lot, a lot of escapism, a lot of more upbeat, patriotic films. And then Vietnam did the exact opposite, where we got films about how flawed we are and how fucked the system is and the government is. The invention of cell phones affected horror movies. Against the cell phones. Yeah.

I got no signal. The streaming. Streaming is a huge event in film. Because now I feel cinema is totally different. Most people don't go to the theater as much as they used to because of that. And film changes as a result. Calm down, Steven Spielberg. I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

It's just the way it is. It's what happens. Yeah, you go to adapt. And now he's doing fucking Disney Plus, right? So he can... Oh, what a fucking asshole. Is he? Is he actually?

Right? Yeah, he is. What the fuck? What a hypocrite. He's doing something. Steven Spielberg, Disney Plus. Let me look it up. So Stephen Spielberg is actually helping Apple launch a new streaming service.

So I'm guessing he's going to be doing like content for that, right? That's funny. So what the fuck? Yeah. So he was just going off a month ago about how Netflix is the worst thing ever. Wow. Okay. Yikes.

Blu. Ambient Coe has one for us, who says, with Neon Genesis, even Gellion coming to Netflix, have any of you guys seen this series, and as a whole, what are your thoughts on it? I have no idea what that is. No. No.

Okay. It's like a really famous anime that everyone loves. Yeah, I've heard of it, but. Yeah. Will you guys watch it if it comes to Netflix? Sure. I don't know. There's so many things on my watch list.

The only Adam has seen as Akira and Devil Man Cry Baby. Nice. You like Death Note, don't you, Adam? I love Death Note. Yeah, I really like Death Note too. I also watched Devil Man Cry Baby. It was fun. Yeah, it was.

Okay. Well, my last question was a bit of a dud, but I'm sure the comments are not about even Gellie and why we should watch it, but... Skidooosh. That's all they can say to that one. Skidooosh. All right. Well, I guess we have a recommendation.

Yeah, from who? Is you, Ralph, right? Yeah, you said it, not me. So, I'm going to lighten everything up a bit here. This is a film we've all seen, I believe, and I would like us to all watch it again, reconsider it with a new lens, watch it more maturely,

and just watch it as like a filmmaker making his magnum opus. So what I'm going to recommend is Star Wars, Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith. We're going to talk about it. Episode 3. That's not good? Okay. Star Wars, Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith. Okay.

Okay, that's a great thing. Let's do it. Okay, we're going to talk about it. Let's do it. My current rating on IMDB is 2. Mm-hmm. Well, we'll see. We'll see if that changes.

It's been a while. It has been a while. It has been a while. It's been a while for me, too. And the fan, this is the one the fans consider like the underrated kind of masterpiece one. Yeah, this is a good one. And listen, I'm going to go into it with fresh new eyes.

I haven't seen it in a few years, and I'm going to give it a chance. You got your eyes replaced. Yeah, I did. I got contacts. Okay. Okay, good point. All right, if any of you listening don't want the movie spoiled, um,

watch it before we, uh, talk about it on the next, uh, episode in two weeks from now. If you'd like to support the show, $2 a month, sardonicast.com. You'll get to listen to these episodes early as they're edited. Also, $2 a month on patreon.com slash sardonicast. We also have merch, and I think the link should be working now. It was incorporated into, yeah, we changed the descriptions. It's a working link, so merch is all good. Yeah.

Damn, yeah. Well, thank you all for listening. and I hope you have fun doing chores around your home until the end of eternity. Be sure to watch episode three while you're doing those chores. Yeah. Yeah, that could be a way to do it. No, I'll give it a serious watch.

We'll see. No, no, no, no. Lights down, nice theater. See if you can get it screened in a theater. If I have time, I might try to watch the other two, but we'll see. Oh yeah, you guys should try The whole prequel trilogy Just try not to let it ruin your perception on three

Okay Because I do think three is better Okay Than one and two It's considerably Even though I don't like any of them From what I remember Sounds good

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