Sardonicast - Sardonicast #34: Sonic, Pikachu, Eyes Without a Face

Episode Date: May 20, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:04 Three, two, one. Hey, I'm Sarn. I'm Dornikest, and we're Sardinacast. Yep, I mean, I didn't even practice that one. Nice. I've been very busy. I didn't have any time to make an elaborate intro. Okay, thank you. What have you been busy with, Adam?
Starting point is 00:00:30 Everything. I just published, did you, I published the hot, uh, hot, hot, Sub Cinema Club video. Which is hilarious. Oh, thank you. That sounds like my worst fucking nightmare. Yeah. Definitely a disaster.
Starting point is 00:00:45 And I got that out because I'm going to be away for basically three weeks. Just a lot of inconveniently timed things happening one after the other. I think I mentioned on the last episode. So just getting everything ready so I can be gone and still get things done while I'm gone, but not have to worry too much about what I can't get done while I'm gone. That's what I'm up to. In other news, Ralph's all grown up. Yeah, I'm a big boy now.
Starting point is 00:01:16 I graduated from college. Yeah, I've been busy too with that. So I was in L.A. for school, and then I came back to the East Coast to graduate, and now I'm going to go back in June and live there. So that'll be fun. You came back to the East Coast. to graduate from L.A.? You were in school.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Well, oh, so Emerson, which is the college I went to, they have, their campus is mainly in Boston. That's like their hub. But they also allow you to go study abroad. And one of those programs was L.A. So in L.A., I had an internship with a studio and stuff. And like I worked. It was great.
Starting point is 00:01:55 I learned so much. It was fun. Yeah, I guess L.A. would be the place to do it. Mm-hmm. And now I got an apartment around Venice. so I'll hang out there Cool Yeah
Starting point is 00:02:06 How about you Alex What are you up to Well we've all been so busy My dog had diarrhea earlier Havix had diarrhea a few days ago That's funny All right Speaking of diarrhea
Starting point is 00:02:24 Take it Take the segue Sannick The Hedgehog Everyone's favorite It looks great Isn't it Sonic? No it's Santic
Starting point is 00:02:36 Sanik is the other one With like the really loud music No I think I think they're making a Santic movie I mean that's They are Yeah It looks closer to Sannick
Starting point is 00:02:48 Than Sonic It actually does I have no investment in Sonic So I don't know how you guys felt about it Oh me neither I didn't think it was a good trailer Okay Well I'm glad none of us do
Starting point is 00:03:00 Obviously I mean, everybody's been talking about it. You know, getting lots, people getting lots of views doing trailer reactions to it. Everybody's pretty much on the same page. So much so that they've decided to redesign it and they haven't pushed back the release date or anything. What the fuck? What are you doing? It's kind of suspicious.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Yeah. It's odd to the whole thing. Yeah. Have you heard this theory about it? Oh, that they made it on purpose. Yeah, I hope you're not about to suggest that. well they do have previous models obviously of course but i mean they're the previous one might be a better one but i really really doubt that their strategy was to get a whole bunch of negative press
Starting point is 00:03:46 right like as soon as the trailers released like that's not a strategy that a studio would take they're not that smart like the rest of it looks like shit anyway like the whole trailer looks like shit it doesn't it doesn't matter if uh that's that's why i was saying confused about people caring, like, as if that's the issue? As if Sonic's design is the real issue with this trailer. Exactly. That's why it's a stupid theory. It's like the design won't fix anything. It's like, it's current iteration, though, who's it even for? Like, it's pissing off Sonic fans, even. And they'll put up with anything. They'll put up with Sonic Boom or Sonic in the night or the werewolf one. I mean, Sonic is terrible.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Let's just be real. Yeah. Sonic is a bad character. He's never been in anything good. I can't believe this even got made, to be honest. It's like a, it's almost, no, Venom kind of makes more sense than it. I was going to compare it to Venom. But this is, like, so dated.
Starting point is 00:04:45 It feels like that Woody Woodpecker movie that came out a couple years ago. Yeah. It seems like it could be one of those. James Marston, he's been in those as well. Yeah. It's like, some weird comparison. Yeah. He was in Hop, right?
Starting point is 00:05:00 which is like this another that is the worst illumination film by the way I forgot about that yeah I thought I thought you said
Starting point is 00:05:07 the Lorax was the worst No I forgot about hop Hop is the answer Wow Trust me trust me No yeah they keep out doing themselves
Starting point is 00:05:15 I mean The trailer Another big issue with it Is it seemed like The Jim Carrey show Like it wasn't really about Sonic It's more about Jim Carrey acting goofy
Starting point is 00:05:25 And I don't know if Sonic fans Want to see that What do I know about Sonic fans But I just seems Like, it was just mostly about him. I think the best thing to come out of the Sonic fandom is the Sonic fans.
Starting point is 00:05:38 We got Christine Weston Chandler. We got Sammy Classic Sonic fan. Sammy Classic, of course. I mean, with Sonic fans around, I don't feel so embarrassed about the furry community. So, keep at it. Did you not like how he looked at the end where he was like proper Eggman? with a huge mustache like in the desert or whatever
Starting point is 00:06:01 That's really weird There's been a lot of There's been a lot of memes Which is kind of expected because it's sanic I guess But there's a lot of them We got Shadman
Starting point is 00:06:12 Making memes Oh yeah We got a whole bunch of memes It's It's just an embarrassment really Why was Gagest's Paradise On the music? Because they're brave
Starting point is 00:06:28 They're brave artists that have a vision, and you can't interfere with that. This isn't some sort of big studio movie where they try to appeal to the lowest common denominator, where they try to make it accessible to everybody. They are artists, okay, and they had a vision. They are brave. 90 million dollar budget, apparently. Oh, Jesus. Nice.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Yep. I mean, with them redesigning me, the character. Either they're going to use a previous model and it's probably still going to look like shit maybe be a tiny bit better or something but not fix the biggest flaws with the design
Starting point is 00:07:11 or they're actually going to redesign it which seems less likely. And either way, especially with option two, I mean these animators are going to be working a lot more. They're going to be crunching even harder than they've already been crunching.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Hollywood doesn't care about animators. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I'm gonna shout out that YouTube documentary Life of Pie again. If you want to know how animators are treated in the industry. It's really disgusting. Like total shit. Yeah. They have to work overtime. They get paid like less than anybody, basically.
Starting point is 00:07:46 It's horrible. Yeah. And these movies rely so much on them now. Exactly. It's kind of crazy. It's like they're responsible for the movie, but they feel out most of the credits. Like, and then like everyone shits on them when the effects don't come out good. Meanwhile, it's all these producers that keep, like, making different decisions and like, okay, so just change it last minute.
Starting point is 00:08:04 And it's terrible. That happened with Justice League, too. And it's going to happen with this. You can also work on a movie as an animator and have your name not appear in the credits just because they decided that there were too many names. Yeah. That actually happens. Yeah. But you can work on a movie and not have your name in the credits.
Starting point is 00:08:23 You think that that's just a given. They're already getting so obscenely long. Like, there can be 20 minutes worth of just names of anima. All the marble movies have them. Just give me one name per frame. Get some sick Gaspar no aid soundtrack going. Yeah. Give me a seizure.
Starting point is 00:08:41 And then be done with it. Congratulations. Did you see the video that somebody posted of, uh, they, they re-edited the, uh, flashy intro titles from Space Jam to make it look like it were the opening sequence from Enter the Void? I did not see that. That sounds fun, though. It's hilarious.
Starting point is 00:09:02 It's hilarious. That's great. Pretty great. Anyway, Sanik. Yeah, back to this piece of shit. When does it come out? November or something? November.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Wow. December. They're pushing for the Oscars season. Oh, that's right. Best visual effects. Best supporting actor, James Marsden. Best supporting actor, Jim Carrey. Who's playing
Starting point is 00:09:29 Sonic? Is that anybody? Oh, that's a good question. It's Ben Schwartz from Parks and Rec. Oh. Oh, okay. I thought you said Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro as Sonic.
Starting point is 00:09:43 He might sound more like Sonic, to be honest. Yeah, honestly. He's going to destroy Eggman with facts and logic. What I don't understand is when they have a CG character that's supposed to be from a video game, why they don't just use the voice actor from the video game? Yeah. Right. Isn't that why people are there? I don't understand it.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Yeah. I was kind of annoyed that Sydux sounded so weird in the new Pikachu thing, but we're not going to really talk long about that at all. Ralph hasn't seen it. But I probably will never see it. So if you guys want to talk about that, you can. We could briefly. I don't think you'd get anything out of it, Ralph. I don't even bother. Don't spend money on it. Yeah, it doesn't, I don't care about Pokemon, so. Yeah, I played Pokemon Go for a week.
Starting point is 00:10:27 I guess that's it, though. Yeah. I love, I love Pokemon. But I just feel like the movie was literally nothing but brand recognition. And that's it. Like, it had nothing to offer. That was all it was. Were there a lot of families in the audience?
Starting point is 00:10:46 And did they enjoy it? It was mostly just like young adults. There was like maybe a kid or two in the entire theater. It was really weird. There were a few kids. kids at my showing, but they were really bored. Yeah, like, the kids were clearly just dragged there by the adults that wanted to see it. That's clearly who the movie's marketing towards is, like, these adults for nostalgic purposes.
Starting point is 00:11:10 And then the character designs are so creepy that it's like, there's no way a child could possibly enjoy this. Yeah. What about the sex jokes and innuendos and stuff that Detective Beacchard She says as well? I guess, yeah. There's not really like a kid friend of me. I mean, it is. It's made for man babies. I guess so.
Starting point is 00:11:28 Is that what you're saying? I mean, there's a lot of people that love it. I don't want to brush them all off as men babies. Of course, of course. That's what I'm saying. Okay. You don't have to say. I feel like I'm in the minority thinking it's as bad as it is.
Starting point is 00:11:45 I think we both think it's as bad as it is. I'm glad that you agree with me, Alex. I saw your rating on letterboxed. Yeah. We gave it the same rating. No, I got nothing out of it. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:55 I was actually bored for most of it. It was incredibly boring. One of the worst last acts. That's one of the worst last acts of a big blockbuster I've seen in a while. It was really annoying and boring. Yeah, I mean, a lot of it is, but. The twist reveal is like the funny. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense. And then people are going to say, but it's a kid's movie and it's fine. It's like, yeah, it's a kid's movie. But if your defense of it being stupid is just, it's a kid's movie, then it's like, yeah, I agree with you. It's a stupid kids movie. It is stupid and it's also a kids movie. You can criticize it for being stupid. Yeah, but there are good kids movies that exist.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Exactly. That's not really an excuse because it's just lazy most of the time. Yeah, exactly. The dialogue's awful. The effect's pretty bad. Yeah, the character designs are just... Disturbing when, like, when you saw Mutu's teeth. It looked so creepy.
Starting point is 00:12:48 What are they thinking? I want to screen cap of that. It looked so awkward. Gangaar, like disgusting. as well. Yeah. I guess it's kind of a spoiler somewhat, maybe. Well, they just did that thing that every video game movie does where there's a scene
Starting point is 00:13:06 where they kind of reference the game where they're like, Pikachu, you've only got these attacks, you've only got quick attack and Thunderbolt and it was as if they were playing the game. Yeah, I mean, it's such a bad way of adapting it. They kind of do that in the anime, but it was a little off in this movie. He, like, listed all of the attacks. It was really weird. The anime's just like a weird, it's not that important, you know.
Starting point is 00:13:33 It's just a TV show that's designed to sell cards and games. And at least the visual style of that show is kind of consistent and you don't question things that it being in live action forces you to question. Like, seeing these tiny Pokemon walking around is so off-putting and bizarre to me. It makes you ask so many questions. Like, I don't even want to get it into it. because it's just a never-ending, like, rabbit hole of weird things that come up because of they're being Pokemon in the world, and they're just like, yeah, look how carefree and everything
Starting point is 00:14:06 it is, but there's so many strange things that come as a result of it that just irk me. Yeah, I think, I think there's plenty of logical issues with the film, but in my quickie, that is not out yet, I kind of strayed away from, from mentioning. those because I think that even people that love the movie, like it just so many of them are going to be obvious. Like, I don't think anybody thinks that this is a smart or logically consistent film. I think that its problems are just far deeper than that. It's just, it's, it's, it's so derivative and uninspired.
Starting point is 00:14:43 The acting is all terrible. Well, I mean, even the best performance we got was Ryan Reynolds just doing voice acting. And that's about it. And then Bill Nihie was like, fuck. wasn't the graces. And then... He was hilarious. I thought he was the funniest.
Starting point is 00:15:00 The main actor was genuinely awful. And then the female lead was literally like the worst thing in the world. As soon as she showed up, it was so embarrassing. It was like, holy crap. It felt like one of those Nickelodeon movies, like The Failure Parents movie or something like that where they kind of make it live action. Yeah. Oh boy. It feels like that with a higher budget.
Starting point is 00:15:20 It's pretty embarrassing. The same level of writing? I've mentioned the director's previous film. though, right? Like the... Sharktail, one of them. Yeah, Shark Tale, Monsters versus aliens, Gullivers, travels, just a bunch of crap. So all the films
Starting point is 00:15:35 have the same issues. Yeah. And it gets away with it this time because Pokemon's exactly. Like, it's the same quality as all of his other films, but people love Pokemon, so, like from a filmmaking standpoint, it's just, it's really not great. Yeah, no, exactly. It was pretty shoddy all around. My one positive was that I think Pikachu is
Starting point is 00:15:54 cute in the movie. Just how he looks. He's like the one I think that looks all right. He doesn't look so bad, but that might also be because the Sonic trailer was released before the movie came out. Because I think that as soon as you put that
Starting point is 00:16:10 Sonic trailer out, then it's like everything else is just not so bad after that point. Yeah, I didn't want to see a Q-bone in real life, but I've seen it now and I wasn't impressed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Go see it anyway. Whatever. If you're a Pokemon fan, you'll probably get a kick out of it, seeing all the details. Did they give you Pokemon trading cards at the end of the movie? No. Ah. I'm in Britain. Like, no one has enthusiasm for anything.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Like, they never do anything like that with movie theaters, at least where I live. Speaking of being in Britain, I've compiled a list of stupid British words to harass you over. Are they stupid, are they? Okay. I think I mean... Challenge me then. So, apparently, apparently you guys call Leish's Leeds?
Starting point is 00:17:04 Like a dog lead. Yeah. Okay. I guess that's okay. Yeah, because you're leading the dog. Or the dog's leading your dog. I mean. I'm okay with that one.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Okay, fine. That's not that weird. We'll see where we go. Leash is weird as to me. Yeah, yeah. It's too aggressive. Leash. It's like that was trying to attack you.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Leash me. alone. I don't know how many of these are accurate, but I've got this list anyway. I compiled them with my roommate. Apparently you say happy Christmas and not Merry Christmas? I feel like I've heard Equal. Okay. I'll use either.
Starting point is 00:17:44 Whatever just pops into my head. Otherwise, that would be an attack on Jesus. I'd be very offended. I should be saying happy holidays. Yeah. Take that Starvikes. Yeah. So what are you trying to do to America?
Starting point is 00:17:59 You're ruining Christmas. There's a war on Christmas. You have to say it the way I say it, because that's freedom. You call chips, crisps, and you call fries chips? Yes. Yeah, that's dumb. I've heard that before. That makes no sense.
Starting point is 00:18:19 That's why fish and chips is essentially just fish and fries. We still call them fish and chips here, by the way. way. So you get fish and chips, you're getting fish and fries, not fish and actual chips. So, like, we... There is kind of a difference, I think, between some of them. Like, a chip to me is, like, imagine a really meaty fry where you can kind of almost see the potato in it, right? Yeah. That's a chip. A big fat nugget. Okay. Whereas a fry is kind of like a McDonald's fry. It's like really thin, kind of crispy. And you still have fries. And you take like multiple of them in point. Yeah. Okay. I would call that
Starting point is 00:18:52 fries but um like what you would call potato wait i'm getting confused now we call them crisps yeah we just call them chips yeah right no that's wrong yeah that's wrong that's that's not wrong that's they're chips you have a bag of chips and then you have some french fries then you eat ass Everyone's eating everyone's ass now Yeah Is that not confusing calling two things The same word What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:19:26 Chips? I'm gonna eat some chips Yeah, I gotta eat some chips And then when I eat French fries, I have French fries I don't have I don't call them chips If you came here and you were like, hey, give me some chips Then someone be like, oh, okay, let's drive to the nearest kebab van or something Let's go hang out with Michael Pina
Starting point is 00:19:44 That's what I mean When I'm talking about getting some chips That's the correct don't say Well then here's what really makes things interesting Chocolate chips Are not chips I would like chips made out of chocolate But that's wrong for all of us though
Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah It's like chocolate chipped away and put into a cookie But it's not chipped away, it's dripped away, okay? It's dripped away, okay? Oh yeah, well, you melt it and then you trip it on. Yeah, it solidifies. Maybe that's not the way they used to make them. Maybe they just shredded like chips of chocolate and put them in cookies,
Starting point is 00:20:23 and that's how the name got created. Isn't a chip like a chipped-off bit of a potato technically? It's quite a good word, really. A chip of a potato. But they're also fried. I mean. Yeah. That makes sense.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Oh, this is so confusing, man. Next. You call your TV seasons TV series, whereas a series in North America would involve the entire show. Yeah, I don't understand your television system at all, because, like, your seasons have, like, four episodes in them, like, Dr. Strain, or what is it, Dr. Who? Doctor Who? Like, I don't understand. Like, I don't understand how Sherlock works. It's, like, five seasons long, but it's only, like, six episodes or something.
Starting point is 00:21:08 I don't understand it. So, you're confused about season and... What was the other one? Series. They mean series. So it's like series and not seasons. Series two is season two. We do call them seasons as well.
Starting point is 00:21:21 Oh, really? That's another one. Why do they say that? Oh, why do you use? No, I see series all the time. Like if, for example, I was having a conversation with someone, I might say, Game of Thrones is my favorite series. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:21:34 So if I was talking about the show, but then I'd say the latest season was rubbish or something. But you wouldn't say the latest season was rubbish or something. You wouldn't say series two or something? Because I see that all the time. Not me personally. There might be some people out there that do it, but I mean, I'm always looking at IMDB and, you know, in the nomenclature of the way people talk about it.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Is that how BBC does it with like series? I think that's how they organize it. That's what they say. Let me double check on IMDB. I'll just go on like a random show and see what it says on my version. See if it says something different. I've kind of, uh...
Starting point is 00:22:12 It just says season one, two. Yeah. It doesn't say series, so. I have also adopted some American words just because I like them better. So instead of pop, like what? I say soda. And apparently in Britain, some people call it them fizzy drinks. Yeah, we say neither of those here.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Okay. We don't say pop or soda. We call fizzy drinks. Or we just messify what the drink is. Like, oh, I'd really like. a bottle of coke right now. You say I want a fizzy drink? Like when you order at a restaurant?
Starting point is 00:22:48 That's fucking crazy. You might say, oh, what fizzy drinks have you got? For real. That's a good one. Pop would be better than saying fizzy drink. I know. Pop sounds too weird for me, so I just say soda. Pop sounds weird, but I think it's better than fizzy drink.
Starting point is 00:23:07 Fizzy drinks. Pop sounds cooler. It's so many syllables. Yeah, no one says pop or soda here, I'm afraid. that's okay I'm excited to visit one day and just use all these words you'll feel like you're in game
Starting point is 00:23:22 experience apparently a costume party is a fancy dress party yep that's right dang son fancy dress party
Starting point is 00:23:35 it's just another way of saying costume isn't it I guess Yep You're not specifically wearing a dress But I guess you're dressed fancy Fancy dress Yeah like dressing up fancy
Starting point is 00:23:51 Or something Apparently pants are underwear And trousers are pants Yeah Ralf is closing as mine What? That what I don't get
Starting point is 00:24:04 So I wear boxes And on top of my boxes I wear trousers Okay But what about the underpants? My boxes are pants. They're type of... No, they're not.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Yeah, they are. They go under your pants, so it's underpants. It's underwear. Underpants. That's why they call pants. It's meant to keep your groin together, and then you put pants on, which is the actual pants. No. You've got the pants, we've got the boxes, the briefs.
Starting point is 00:24:39 They're all in the same thing. and then you have trousers. They go on top of the pants. That's fucking crazy. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. It would make sense if you're here. Trust me. Yeah, I'm sure it would.
Starting point is 00:24:54 That is one that's really confusing. Oh, yeah. What? Why? I'm not wearing pants. Yeah, because I might be wearing shorts. Oh. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Uh, apparently, uh, fanny means pussy. Uh, right, one of the rude ones. Yep. Fanny does mean, like, vagina. I thought fanny meant butt. It does everywhere else, I guess. In America, it does. Not over here.
Starting point is 00:25:27 So, uh, if you go buy a dildo, you're asking for a fanny pack? No, because a fanny pack's already a thing you can buy. And they're back in style, I've noticed, which is quite weird. Yeah. I love the 90s. I wore a fanny. I wore a fanny. all the time because I had so
Starting point is 00:25:44 many things I was allergic to I needed to carry an EpiPen and then one kid tried to punch me in the nuts one day and he hit his hand on my fanny pack and he heard his hand and I felt so good about it. Yeah the rude words are where it gets interesting I think in Britain. What are some
Starting point is 00:26:05 that you can think of? Oh dear. Well one I think is way more serious in like America, for example, is the C word. Cunt? I was just about to say. In Australia, they don't give a shit. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:26:19 It's just a common word. It's so weird how people are just so upset about that word. I get it. Yeah. It depends in, like, what context you use it in. If you're calling someone that, then it's fucked up. As like an insult, yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess it depends on how it's used and sure there's a different context to it,
Starting point is 00:26:38 but logistically, just trying to think of it as as robotically. as I can. I just, like, I don't see any difference between that and calling someone a dick, which nobody cares about that. Like, yeah, it's a gendered insult where you're referring to the genitalia, right? Both of those are basically the same, I guess, removed from context, but... Yeah, you just say it like, your friend drop carry on your white carpet, you say, don't do that, you can't, why'd you do that? Yeah. Pretty nonchalant. If you're actually saying, There's like more nonchalant ways to use cunt.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah, it's kind of the same with a lot of... Yeah. You could just say Fanny. What a Fanny. So, like, are people still named Fanny, like the Bergman film Fanny and Alexander? I've never met a Fanny person. Someone called Fanny. Flip that.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Alex is a virgin. Yeah. My own language just fuck me over Yeah What about a pillock I don't know what that is What is what the hell is that What?
Starting point is 00:27:50 I don't know What? Don't be a pillock You don't know what that is And you use the word You don't have a definition I don't I've never even thought about it
Starting point is 00:28:00 I've just said it Don't be a pillick How do you spell it? I don't even know I've only ever said it I don't know if I can find it Pillick A stupid person
Starting point is 00:28:13 A stilip person Okay Okay Don't be a pillock Yeah Okay Cool I like that
Starting point is 00:28:20 That's a good one Well like Wanker as well obviously Twat Yeah Wanker Bloody wanker Don't wait
Starting point is 00:28:29 Don't Americans say Twat Instead of twat Oh we say Twat Yeah What's to deal with that It's wayless satisfying
Starting point is 00:28:36 Twat Don't be a twat We just say Twant We just say the A differently. Okay. Twat.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Dingbat. The Americans have a lot of great insults. Apparently you say anti-clockwise instead of counterclockwise. Yeah. No, that's right. Anti-clockwise.
Starting point is 00:29:00 But what about Uncle clockwise? I get it. Boo. That's funny. I got to boo myself today. Fuck me. You've been planning that one? No.
Starting point is 00:29:17 It just came naturally. Yeah, it was such a good joke. We thought you planned it. I spent weeks writing that one. That's why you say busy. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I've been doing this entire time. The only reason we had this segment is so you could tell that one joke.
Starting point is 00:29:39 Alex, what do you call, what do you call an, egg plant. Oh, Jesus. That's an obejean, right? That's how you pronounce it? A what? An obogeen? That's what I have written. You're correct. That's what I have written down. I just didn't, I wasn't prepared to pronounce that. An obejean. Obogene. That's what we call it here. For the record, a shitty, shitty food. I hate obeijin. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't like an plant either. And corsette. What's that? Corgette's sucks as well.
Starting point is 00:30:15 You don't know what a corgette is. What is that? I don't know how else I could describe it. What is it? It's just a cogette. You're not very good at describing any of these things. You just take it all for granted, man. Oh, it's a zucchini.
Starting point is 00:30:31 A zucchini. Oh! You call it corgette? What the fuck? That's what it's cool to you. That's nuts. I get eggplants, because eggplants. because eggplant, there's no eggs in it, all right?
Starting point is 00:30:44 But zucchini, that's just zucchini. Horsgette, that's funny. So, to you, a biscuit is something different. It's like a cookie. It's not a biscuit, right? Right. What do you call biscuits? A biscuit would be like a digestive biscuit.
Starting point is 00:31:08 So you just add another word to it? It's like a sweet. any any Brit will know what I'm talking about digestive biscuits I know I know what you're talking about I'm digestive as opposed to the biscuits you don't digest no it's like it's like a cookie kind of
Starting point is 00:31:24 basically oh I see it's not real author's okay yeah you dip it in like coffee what we call biscuits what do you call those like Oreo is a biscuit here
Starting point is 00:31:37 that's what a biscuit is Oreo's a biscuit. I just lost my soul. It's escaped from my body. Yeah. Oreos are a biscuit here. Wow. Biscuits are like a pastry.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Like it, like, you know, has dull. No, the pastry's a pastry here. Like a flaky. Yeah, flaky. No, you don't understand the confectionary, like, selection we have here. We have a biscuit aisle, literally of, like, sweet type of biscuits, like, Oreos, things like that. that will go tea and stuff like that. Oh,
Starting point is 00:32:11 grannies love them. It's a big thing here. Yeah, we just call them cookies. What do you call, like, the pastry biscuit then? Like, what do you... I don't even know what that could possibly be, honestly. Like, you take dough and you put it in an oven and, like, with butter mixed in, and you, you bake it, you know? Like, what do you call that?
Starting point is 00:32:32 Like, a scone? A stone. I guess so, yeah. Yeah, let's see if... Wow. Yeah, we just call that a biscuit. Scone. Yeah, that looks about what a biscuit would look like.
Starting point is 00:32:46 We use the biscuit term, though, as an all-encompassing thing. Yeah. Like, you can get, there's a brand of biscuit that are cookies. Merryland cookies. Did they have an ad campaign in the UK, Mr. Christie? You make good biscuits. Did they say that? Or what?
Starting point is 00:33:08 I don't remember. I don't have a. specific memory of that. Okay. It's just what it is. It is what it is, man. It is what it is. I feel like I need to go to college again after us.
Starting point is 00:33:20 I don't even understand what your biscuit is. You call scones biscuits, but you still know what a scone is? What's a cookie for you? It's a biscuit for... It's like a... Whoa, you still have a cookie. Yeah, it's like a type of biscuit sort of. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:33:37 It's like a circle thing. A cookie is a type of biscuit. Holy shit. It is, though. There's like, you go to the cookie bit at the bakery, and they go all the different types of cookies, but then there's also biscuits in the biscuit aisle. I just got to go there and see for myself.
Starting point is 00:33:58 I feel like a supermarket here would be like this really confusing thing for you. Oh, yeah. I would be lost. I'd ask people for directions, like, I'm trying to. find an Oreo. What fucking aisle is that in? It's in the biscuit aisle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:13 Plus with all the other biscuits. Apparently you call cotton candy candy floss? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Do you floss with it? So at a carnival, you might get some candy floss.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Very interesting. I don't floss with it no. Okay. I don't understand that one and I don't even want to defend that one because candy floss isn't even worth defending. We got Kling film versus plastic wrap Yeah, cling film Yeah
Starting point is 00:34:47 That's an interesting one But I understand that one It's quite a literal sort of interpretation I mean so is plastic wrap It does cling though I think that's why I prefer the English one It really does cling That part is more important to his culture
Starting point is 00:35:04 Than the plastic part's important to ours Yeah We got elevator versus lift Right, yeah What about escalators Is that the same thing? Yeah, you just called it what we call it Unless you're talking about a type of biscuit or something
Starting point is 00:35:21 Otherwise, everything's just going to crumble So a lift is, yeah, what you call a... What do you call it? Elevator. Elevator. It elevates you. No, an elevator here is The steps, it's like a staircase that's automated.
Starting point is 00:35:37 But that's an escalator. That's an escalator. What is an escalator? You said elevator. That's an escalator. Oh, sorry. Okay. I was that...
Starting point is 00:35:47 My brain is so... My brain is so... My world. Yeah, no, no, no. That's just me being idiot. We just call them lifts then. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:57 But we wouldn't get confused, though, if you did call it an elevator. We'd understand that one. Okay. We got truck versus Lorry? Right, yeah. So, like... like a lorry is a truck yeah why why lorry yeah it's just what they are not the name it's the big vehicle that's a weird one because a truck a truck's more like um like mater from cars that's a truck
Starting point is 00:36:23 yeah a great example of a truck toll meter bring it back to movies bring it back to larry the cable guy well then what what what's specifically How would you define a lorry then if that's a truck? I don't know, it's just a transport vehicle. Of any kind? No, for like cargo. Okay, so more like an industrial. We told out a truck.
Starting point is 00:36:54 Oh man, this is, this driving me crazy. Yeah. I don't know, a lorry's just a lorry, okay? Yeah, yeah, sure. Just deal with it. We got it. We got it. We got, uh, flashlight.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Versus torch. Flashlight. Flashlight. Oh, right, yeah. Not flashlight. You call it a torch? Yeah, we call it a torch. A torch is like a, like you're holding a piece of wood and you light it off fire.
Starting point is 00:37:21 That's a torch. Like Nathan Drake or the Tomb Raider. Yeah, that's a torch. It's both here, I'm afraid. Okay. Okay. Bring out the torch, Alex. Yeah, turn the torch on on your phone.
Starting point is 00:37:37 Quick. That's what you said. turn the torch on? Wow. We're medieval over here, man. Okay. We got drunk driving versus drink driving. Do you call it drink driving?
Starting point is 00:37:54 Apparently you call it drink driving. There was a drink driving incident. No, it is drink driving. Okay. We call it drunk driving. Yeah. I feel like that's kind of a changeable. I feel like that's another one I've heard both of now and again.
Starting point is 00:38:08 Okay. Um, we got, uh, this, I, I don't know if this is real. Uh, hit me. What do you call a switchblade? Uh, what's the word you've got? Flickknife? Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, flipknife. Yeah, I'd say flickknife.
Starting point is 00:38:27 Flickknife. That sounds way less cool than a switchblade. Yeah. Flick knife, like, what, I'm going to flick you. Yeah, because it flicks out. I'm going to flick you, mister. Yeah, yeah, flick knife. See, when you say switchblade, I think of the blades that kind of...
Starting point is 00:38:43 No, not going to even... No, next. We got Z versus Z, which Canada says Z also. Yeah, that one I don't understand. Americans just changed it so that the alphabet song rhymed, I guess. Which makes sense. Yeah, that was the only thing I could think of with that one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:03 What about mum and mom? Mum and mom? You guys say mom. Oh, yeah. You say mom. Mem. It's mum. Mamma.
Starting point is 00:39:13 And some people say me ma-ma. I think it's just an accent thing, though, right? Mum. Like, it's still spelled M-O-M. No, it's spelled M-U-M. Yeah. Really? Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:26 And what about dad? Dad is just dad? Dad, yeah. That's just dad. So, mom's different, but that's the same for something. You're taking notes? You call them daddy's over there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:38 In certain communities. Not necessarily your father in some communities. That's something different. We got push-up versus press-up. You call them press-ups? I thought that's what you guys said. No, we call them push-ups. What do you say?
Starting point is 00:40:00 I'd say push-up. Okay. Yeah, never mind. That one was wrong. But I've heard press-up before, but I have contested it in my head when I've heard it. It doesn't sound right. because you're pushing up you're not pressing up
Starting point is 00:40:13 yeah this is true and I guess we got one more uh tick-tac-toe versus knots and crosses right you call it knots and crosses that one has lots of different way
Starting point is 00:40:28 what's the proper one tick-tac-toe that's just that tech-tack toe's the way we say it so that that is yeah noughts and crosses knots and crosses Very interesting.
Starting point is 00:40:42 You play it in the playground with some chalk. Yeah. Uh-huh. Hmm. All right. Okay. That's a tacto. This has been very informative.
Starting point is 00:40:52 I feel like I've learned another language. Thank you, Alex. Yeah. That's your English lesson for the day. I feel more prepared to take on the UK if I ever go. Yeah. Just call everyone C-words and order some chips at a command van. You'll be right.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Some biscuits. Some Oreo biscuits. Head over in the lorry. Take the lift. Some pants and trousers. Stabby with my flick knife. Yeah, you will go to the wrong aisle if you ask for pants. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:30 All right. That was fun. I guess we could probably get into the film discussion. Yeah, let's do this. my pick. I chose eyes without a face or Adam, can you say it? Because you're the one who can do French things. Oh shit.
Starting point is 00:41:47 I didn't even... Okay, well let me look up I'll try it. Le years sans visage. Okay, that's a little off. You almost got it. I'm just going to make sure I'm just going to confirm the spelling here. Les yeas are you actually say the S.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Les years. I mean, yeah, in some situations you would pronounce the S. Okay. The eyes without a face. Visage. Is what it means. Yeah. And I mean, I'm sure there's going to be French people that are like,
Starting point is 00:42:16 eh, that was almost right. What are you talking about? Because I'm not. That's like Quebec French right there. Ha-hon, flat tire. Quebec. Well, you know better than me. The point is, it was the movie I picked.
Starting point is 00:42:35 One none of us had seen from 1960, directed by Adam Okay Georges Frangy Probably Sorry George Frangieu
Starting point is 00:42:52 Probably would be That sounds right So we're just going to go with that Yeah Names can be weird Because I thought I swore that because Xavier Dolan was French
Starting point is 00:43:04 That his last name would be Dolan And that Dolan would just be a funny way pronouncing it, but apparently it's Dolan. Yeah. So you can pronounce your name however you want, I guess. But anyway. Yeah. So it's a horror movie from 1960 about a kind of mad scientist who does experiments on his daughter,
Starting point is 00:43:24 who was injured in a pretty bad car accident. And, you know, it's the typical kind of mad scientist graphing skin onto people and it going wrong inevitably kind of fairy tale story. where should we even begin guys do we like it what do we think I did I liked a lot I would dare say I loved it
Starting point is 00:43:46 yeah I think I might be with you as well I think I think I thought it was pretty incredible and considering the time it came out like I imagine it was pretty groundbreaking I know for a fact that yeah the fact how violent it was and how disturbing it was really turned people off from it but it's aged well
Starting point is 00:44:02 you know it's you know it's really groundbreaking about it skin grafts weren't even a thing. Like you couldn't do face transplants and they predict, yeah, I mean like this is 19-6th, face transplants weren't a thing. But they kind of, I mean, maybe you could say invented it, but
Starting point is 00:44:19 I guess theorized it, predicted it in some way. You know, it's just a little bit outside of reality, but believable enough that it's like, okay, this could probably be possible in the future and lo and behold, we can do that now, which is
Starting point is 00:44:35 crazy. Yeah. I was pleasantly surprised that I think it's a cut above some of the previous movies we've talked about, kind of like Jacob's Ladder, where you can see how important it was and how influential it was, but it hasn't really held up that well for me. This is one where I think it still kind of stands on its own, but it's also fun to appreciate how it has impacted cinema as a whole, because there's a lot of seeds in this movie that you can tell have kind of rippled through.
Starting point is 00:45:05 whether it be skin I live in. Yeah, that was one that I was thinking of for sure. Yeah. You both seen the skin I live in? Yeah, we've all seen it. Okay, great. Good to know. Love that movie.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Pedro. Yeah. Sorry. Are you dying? I'm good. Yeah, this film is, it's like the original face-off. with uh faceless tape
Starting point is 00:45:35 yeah there's the dubs as well the jumb we likes as well right didn't he direct that movie this is the original face off I love the atmosphere of this movie it's very creepy the sound design is great
Starting point is 00:45:54 like that scene when she's going like in the basement lab and all those dogs are barking you hear them echoing it's scary as fuck the cinematography is great like really moody, black and white. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:46:06 Like, I just wasn't expecting that from a movie this old. Yeah, no, neither was I. Is this the oldest one we've talked about on the podcast or no? It might be. 1960. Well, you did Barry Linda come out? Like 75. Barry Lyndon was like 70s.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Yeah. All right. It might be then. Yeah. Congratulations, Alex. You did it. Yeah. I love the score for this too.
Starting point is 00:46:29 Yeah, me too. Awesome. Great soundtrack. Yeah. Yeah. One thing I appreciated most was the pace of it because the sort of stereotypical old movie is that they're really slow plodding and that they just go nowhere. Yeah. That's what like the typical person like envisions when like, let's watch a film from the 50s or 60s.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Everyone groans. But it's 90 minutes long. The scenes are paced pretty well. They're like, it's an in and out kind of movie where it's like it does its job. Yeah. It flows nicely. It's very simple the story, but it's told very effectively. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:47:05 And it's not many characters, not many locations. It's just very effective in its simplicity. It flows very well, and it's a great concept and a great story. Like, it's very... Great characters. It's one of those things that you watch, and you're like, you know what? This is a great idea for a movie, you know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:26 The face transplant scene itself was amazing. I thought that whole scene was insane. I was waiting for like that aged factor to come and be like, okay, when's this going to get really goofy and silly and kind of pull me out? But it kept that tone quite serious and consistent. And apparently I was reading that in the original novel, because it's based off a novel,
Starting point is 00:47:48 it was a lot more bloody and gory. But I think the director was advised to avoid using a lot of blood and the kind of stereotypes of like a mad scientist and stuff like that, specifically to appease certain senses, like in Germany, mad scientist things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:09 And somewhere in the world, blood is more considered, you know, something to be censored. So as a result, it's kind of subdued and it really adds to that kind of tone that it's going for and makes it a lot creepier. I was really surprised that I did find the film quite creepy at points. Because at first, the kind of the woman with the mask, they keep her conceiving. for a while and I was starting to get concerned at first that they're not they're just not going to show it are they because they didn't know what to show but it is a buildup to a payoff a scare yeah which I was really surprised by and the scare is quite effective because they
Starting point is 00:48:43 keep the camera just blurred enough to not make it look goofy or silly slightly out of focus so there's a bit to interpret on it it like highlights her eyes not so much the rest of her face like it was so well done yeah very very self is quite creepy yeah very intelligently presented overall in terms of how information is revealed, especially the way that things are paced too and how it's shown. Because we were talking about how, you know, it's a fairly fast-paced movie for the 60s, like literally 1960, fresh out of the 50s. But then when we get to the actual face transplant scene, that's the perfect moment for things to kind of simmer down and take its time. Like it could have easily been almost like a montage kind of thing. It could have been so much quicker and there's so many films that would do it in that way.
Starting point is 00:49:35 But it was patient. It took its time and it really paid off. Like you felt so much more from it just having him slowly go along with the scalpel and that outline. You know, you can see them like putting the force into it like, yeah, it got to be, I got to work at this little spot here for a while so I can flip off this. It's gross. Yeah. It's quite unsettling. It is.
Starting point is 00:49:56 But they do do a montage slightly later on, which I thought was really effective with the face kind of decaying, just using the still images, the pictures. Oh, I love that. I love that scene. Yeah, that looked great. A really effective way. That's probably my favorite part. To kind of deal with those limitations.
Starting point is 00:50:13 Yeah, because it probably is a lot easier to make a still image look creepy than, you know, like a practical effect on someone's face, make it a realistic. That was a really intelligent choice to do that. I totally agree. It looked like an archive of some sort of medical journal, right? Like it looked like it was actually something that was documented and then being presented to us. Exactly. I love the moral ambiguity of it because the parents are like monsters.
Starting point is 00:50:41 They're totally, they're kidnapping people and taking off their faces. But you totally understand where they're coming from. And I think if we were in that same position, we would do the same thing because the daughter just is so miserable and keeps talking about how she wants to kill herself. And like any parent would do anything for their kid in that situation. And so I was so with them and rooting against them at the same time. And it was perfect that back and forth. That is interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:05 One thing that I was pretty surprised by was the performances. Like there was a lot of great acting in this too. Like a lot of older films, even in, I don't know, even in some older Kubrick movies, like there's really some actors there that are kind of doing more of a thing. theatrical thing than like a film acting thing. Perhaps maybe this might be because it was in a different language or maybe just because it was filmed in France. Maybe it's like a culture thing too.
Starting point is 00:51:34 But it really did not feel that way. It really did not feel like they were doing this whole stage, like live performance Broadway sort of thing. It felt like they were doing film acting, which is much more effective. And then you get shots like when he like pushes her against the wall like next to the the grave and you can see the tears come down her face and just like the emotion that you see in these characters eyes you know especially at the end when she's like why like you feel so much and i wasn't really expecting that from the performances in this film yeah it was it was great casting
Starting point is 00:52:10 for the for the main woman with the mask face with her big expressive eyes and there are scenes where she has to only use body language and her eyes to kind of convey what she's feeling and it could fall apart there but it's really interesting to watch every scene with her involved especially it's like really interesting yeah the performances this was made in 1960
Starting point is 00:52:33 so it's like after the French New Wave that kind of style started to pop up not calling this like a French New Wave movie yeah but they definitely like adopted that kind of performance the more restrained performances like you were saying Adam the main guy especially the professor
Starting point is 00:52:49 I thought it was so interesting and like as it goes on it becomes less about him helping his daughter and he becomes more obsessed about just finding the perfect procedure he doesn't even really care about his daughter's well-being or what she wants anymore and i found that arc really interesting too yeah and his end as well was quite poetic yeah his face getting mutilated by the dogs he was experimenting on yeah don't watch this movie with a dog in the room hendricks was flipping the fuck out I don't know. You're going to start a howl. Yeah. I had to lock him away.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Poor boy. There's some really great imagery in this film, especially closer towards the end. Like you get that shot of where the shadows of the birds are on the wall behind her. Like just because they had the lighting set up perfectly, you can see all. these shadows as she's letting them out of the cage and then you get that perfect moment of of just one of those like once in a lifetime shots perhaps this was intentional i i it i figure i figure that it's probably just a uh lucky coincidence but the bird lands on her shoulder and you get that yeah that moment there and it's that it's like that that probably just happened you know you film so
Starting point is 00:54:10 much footage eventually you're going to catch something really uh interesting yeah you mentioned the shadows. I noted that down. I really liked the way they used the shadows in the movie to kind of set the tone and the mood, the oppressive mood of it all. And another thing I noticed, it was only really at the beginning of the film, but the really clever way they filmed just simple dialogue using mirrors to have like, instead of having like a shot reverse shot kind of set up, they had a mirror. So the conversation was just happening with the other character being in the mirror in the background. So they didn't have to cut. away. So you get all the, you know, you get genuine reactions from the actors. I thought,
Starting point is 00:54:50 just little details like that shows the kind of commitment to, and how much thought was put into adapting, you know, something that could be goofy into, like, a really serious, consistent portrayal of this. That's awesome. Yeah. I really love the, the shot where she's got tears coming through the mask, like over top. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that was a smart choice. Creedy toe. There's so many effective, disturbing images in this. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:20 Did you guys have any issues with it? Because I had very few watching it. I mean, some minor issues, I guess. Yeah. I had, like, there was some exposition toward the beginning that I thought was like, like, literal. Yeah. There was a scene that the professor was leaving the room and, like, a woman in the scene was like,
Starting point is 00:55:38 he's been acting so different since his daughter went missing or since that thing happened to his daughter. It's like, oh, come on. Yeah. There's stuff like that, but it's very minor. Yeah, I did have one slight little gripe, and it was right at the end where I didn't quite think it was really necessary to have doves in the room and literally let the bird out of the cage. I thought the dogs being let free was enough of like a metaphor or symbolism for that very same thing. And I don't remember a scene with the doves being set up as even being there before then.
Starting point is 00:56:10 Yeah, like it kind of just showed up in the end. That felt quite, yeah, that was a little bit on the nose for me. Yeah. But that was the only major thing. I think it was just worth it for the imagery at the end. Yeah, yeah. Like you got some great shots out of it, so it's like, yeah, let that one slide a little. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:27 That felt more like dated. Like maybe when this movie was made, that wasn't a cliche, having the dove or whatever. Now so many movies have done that where like the character takes a bird out of the cage and lets him go. Yeah. It was, yeah, just the literal interpretation of that phrase. So this guy's like a renowned surgeon but also animal control? Is that how it works? Yeah, just on the side.
Starting point is 00:56:56 Okay, he's got a side gig. Yeah, just probably to deal with him. Yeah, just a guy. Yeah. Just a couple minor things. Yeah, minor things. Like I really I really enjoyed like the intelligent decision just not to show her face at the beginning I did feel a little weird because like in my head I'm imagining like okay so you've got like no face there
Starting point is 00:57:20 Like you're you're probably in serious pain too and she's like pressing her head really really hard into the pillow I'm just like ah stop are you hurting yourself right now it's a little weird Yeah it's pretty minor complaint and then I guess you know during the face peal scene. Most of that super effective, especially as it starts out, as I've already mentioned, the pacing of it. When they do lift the face off, though, it does look a little
Starting point is 00:57:48 fake. I'm sure for the time, it was like insane, though. I'm sure for the time, it was like, oh! I convinced everybody, but now it's like, you know, it's kind of a dated effect. They showed, you know, a decent amount of it. Because they zoom right on in it as well. Yeah. I'd agree with that.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Yeah, I would too. I watched a few of the special features. One of them, being the theatrical trailer and then also the American theatrical trailer. And it's just, it's so funny. If you got the criteria in Blu-ray, you've got to watch both of them because it's, the difference between the two in terms of how they're marketed is just so funny. It's exactly what you'd expect of like, okay, we're going to sell us to an American. Yeah, didn't they recut it as well?
Starting point is 00:58:32 The horror chamber of Dr. Fostas. Yeah, it sounds fucking, sounds like a corny in 1930. 1930s like the cabinets of They're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Familiarity, you know. But it's a film that's not.
Starting point is 00:58:45 It's the exact opposite of that. It's purposefully trying to not be that. Yeah. Yeah. They did a whole English dub release. Which I'm sure is awful. Did you guys think that Jack looked like Ben Shapiro? Kind of.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Yeah. I was thinking that much of that. I don't know why we keep bringing up Ben Shapiro this episode. That's the theme. That's the theme of the movie. It's the theme of the episode is Ben Shapiro. I mean, yeah, it's not a very long movie. It's only an hour and a half.
Starting point is 00:59:21 And I mean, yeah, it's quite simple. It's matter of fact. It's just, yeah, I didn't make that many notes, to be honest, because it's just an enjoyable, surprising film from 1960 that I was, I was, surprised by in terms of just like it can be a gamble now and again like we've talked about films from around
Starting point is 00:59:43 this time before and sometimes they really just do not connect with me but this one did and I was really really happy for that to happen and I hope other people have seen the movie as a result and enjoyed it too thank you Alex yeah thanks
Starting point is 00:59:58 what would you rate this film I'd probably give it a four four stars I'd give it five stars I have minor issues with it like you guys were saying but overall considering its time and how much of an impact it's had on cinema I think it's a fucking great movie
Starting point is 01:00:18 and I think it's really really effective and I want to watch it again at some point yeah I might like it more second watch five stars I'm with Alex I'm giving it an 8 out of 10 nice Bazooper
Starting point is 01:00:32 Buziper Perfect. Nice. Yeah, I was worried about choosing something none of us had seen. It's a good idea, though. I wasn't sure. Yeah, no, it is good, yeah. But then if it's like something really awful or something.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Whatever. You feel like guilty. I don't think you were going to get anything worse than the prequels. So. Yeah. Is that the new goal now? Like, we've set the bar pretty high. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Find a movie worse than the prequels. Ben and Arthur was funnier. worse. I mean, it was more entertaining. Ben and Arthur was a great conversation. I could watch Ben and Arthur again sooner than I could watch the prequels. Sure. I guess there's that. Well, what do you guys think is the worst movie, like, so far
Starting point is 01:01:16 that we've talked about? The fucking prequels. Not Maddoch? Well, I guess Maddox for me. It would be the prequels for sure. Is that including the first episode where we did Cloverfield Paradox? I guess so. Yeah. That's pretty low on it. I could sooner watch Cloverfield Paradox
Starting point is 01:01:32 than the Star Wars prequel. I don't think I'm ever going to see them again. Oh, really? Unless I'm doing like a commentary video or something years later, I don't know. But I really, it was a very painful experience for me. Yeah. I didn't like martyrs, but I wouldn't say those are as bad as Ben and Arthur or the prequels. All right.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Yeah, mine would be the prequel, probably, that you picked. Yeah. Congratulations, Ralph. Thank you. It would be defeated eventually. Hey, I recommended Barry Lyndon, too, which is like the best movie of all time. So balance it out. We got the whole spectrum.
Starting point is 01:02:12 You're on the spectrum all right. Yeah, I am. Anyway, questions? Bad joke. Let's do some questions. So if you want to leave your own questions for us to answer, potentially, on the next episode of the show, head over to the Sardonsacost Reddit, where Ralph will leave. a nice sort of suggestion thread
Starting point is 01:02:36 for you to leave whatever you want. Let's start off with one from just a quick one for Adam from M, 2, 3, 3,4E who says, Adam, what is your favorite movie that you've given a 6 out of 10? Oh, okay, that's a pretty good question.
Starting point is 01:02:53 What springs to your mind? Yeah, because that's the meme, isn't it? I mean, well, there's lots of movies that I love that I give 6 out of 10. People were kind of hounding me in the comments section because I said I loved Infinity War, but still gave it a six out of ten. I mean, you can still love something and give it a six out of ten. You can still recognize the flaws in something and enjoy it, right?
Starting point is 01:03:16 My emotional experience is not necessarily going to be directly represented by the number that I give it. I think that makes sense anyway. So, like, I don't know. It's just the way we write things is different. Oh, here's a fun one. Grand piano. That's a really fun movie. It's short and sweet.
Starting point is 01:03:37 Damien Chiselle wrote it. Yeah, yeah. Did you see it? Yeah. I did. It was fun. It's goofy. It's cheesy.
Starting point is 01:03:44 Yeah. But it's like, it's really not long. It's very high energy, very fast-paced, and I love music and piano. And it's got a fun twist spin sort of thing to it. It's got a fun concept. Yeah, plenty of movies. like that. That's the first one that jumps out in my mind. Maybe, uh, I don't know, did I rate cabin fever a six out of ten? That might be one. Um, there's, there's no shortage, really.
Starting point is 01:04:15 The original, the Eli Roth one. Um, yeah, no, no shortage of, uh, six out of ten movies that I really enjoy. It's just that I don't, you know, I, I can, I can understand and recognize their flaws while still being able to enjoy it, which apparently some people find very difficult, and I don't know why. Because some people rate things differently. Like, I rate a lot on my personal experience. If I enjoyed a movie and loved it, I really can't give it a six out of ten. I'd give it an eight out of ten because I loved it.
Starting point is 01:04:49 You know, I can't put my personal experience past that, even if it has flaws. Yeah, so it's like the polar opposite. I'm not saying that my personal experience has no connection. obviously it has to because everything is subjective and you can only see from your perspective but you know
Starting point is 01:05:08 I try to have as objective as possible while understanding that there's no such thing as true objectivity and art of a I guess rating yeah no I do you reckon out of everyone I've ever known is used like a numbered system
Starting point is 01:05:26 Adams is like the most consistent and used it than the most consistent and used it than the most consistent way. Why, thank you. I would agree. Okay, let's move on to one from Pickled Cactus, who says, what are your thoughts on an AI made movie?
Starting point is 01:05:41 With learning algorithms only improving and AI getting very good at pattern recognition, do you think robots can make a good film, or at least a commercially good movie? And I thought this was a funny question, because it's kind of already happening. I mean, yeah, isn't that already the case? don't we already do that pretty much it's really not that far off yeah it would just be like removing the one of the steps basically
Starting point is 01:06:09 instead of having a human reading out to a board of people like the statistics they got from one of their focus testing meetings they just goes straight to a computer and then it like just shits out justice to or something scripts that would be successful they take like every keyword from Google
Starting point is 01:06:26 or whatever, all the trending searches and they write a script with it. It's going to happen. That's going to happen. I bet you. I bet that you already use the data from Google and whatnot for movies like, you know, the Meg and stuff we've talked about before. People have kind of done that, you know, not seriously, but with hilarious results.
Starting point is 01:06:45 I think there might be a video of this on YouTube, I'm not sure, but somebody basically fed an algorithm all of the Harry Potter books and then basically got it to write a chapter and it turned out to be really, really funny because he got all like the key words and like familiar sentences there but none of it makes any sense I'm pretty sure that's a thing on YouTube
Starting point is 01:07:11 I can't remember. How about the production side of it? Do you think robots are going to take that over at some point where we're not going to have directors of photography we're not going to have actors? We're not going to have a director. I think we're pretty fucking far away from not having a DP. I think that's pretty far away too. It would be so much more complicated. Because you would need somebody to set it up anyway.
Starting point is 01:07:33 Yeah. There's cameras that capture like high resolution and they like scan the entire room so that basically all the decisions in terms of being a director of photography can be made in post. Like you can adjust the ISO. You can add in visual effects here and there much easily. It's so we're already kind of there. And I see that getting more and more. advanced as time goes on. Like video games already do that technically, don't they?
Starting point is 01:07:59 Yeah. Like a lot of video games, the way they, if there's something really open world, like The Witcher 3 or something, I'm sure they have algorithms that kind of show certain perspectives that have been set, you know? Yeah. Or even just like the motion capture. You get the actor's performance and then you work out the camera and the setting and all that other shit after.
Starting point is 01:08:18 Yeah. Like Beowulf. Like Beowulf. Right. We're not quite there yet, which is why those movies. suck like pale wolf and uh what are the other ones mars needs moms is robert zamekis just done or what i think he's done did you see his last movie what was it is it the walk was that his last movie no i thought he did the steve carrell movie oh yeah that one was i welcome the morwin that that's the one yeah
Starting point is 01:08:44 that was a big bomb oh you don't see that adam no that looked awful robert i'm kind of curious to be this. It looks really creepy. There's like dolls or something. Oh, he's still, apparently he's directing things. That's what IMDB says. It's got the witches coming out, 2020.
Starting point is 01:09:05 I just remember a little thing that's kind of relevant to I guess if we're done with this question between the next question. Yeah. What are you guys thoughts on fucking Disney
Starting point is 01:09:20 pushing back the Avatar sequels another like two or three years like because those have to be like pretty far into production like the Avatar 2 was going to come out like next year or something and now it's going to come out like a few years later
Starting point is 01:09:34 which is weird because like the whole perspective of that like the whole point why James Cameron's been taking forever to make it is because he's trying to make it as like as much of a technological achievement as the first one was but if you have this product and the technology is there
Starting point is 01:09:50 and then you date it by another two years years, then that might not be as effective. Unless he's going to continue working on the technology or something up until the release date. I don't know. I don't know. No, that wasn't. I really don't know what they're doing with that. It didn't seem like it was James Cameron's decision.
Starting point is 01:10:06 It seemed like it was Disney's decision because they own Fox now. And they're like, ooh, we get to sprinkle all these little things exactly where we want them. So they're not conflicting with these other major releases, right? So they're probably anticipating that like the Marvel thing, you know, might need some refreshing by that point and it might be dying down. they're like, okay, we won't want the new Avatar to be conflicting
Starting point is 01:10:27 with this thing, so they just push it. That's what it feels like. Could be. We don't know. But that's definitely a reason they would do that. But also, I bet in those two years, they'll perfect it even more. Like, they'll rip on the last second.
Starting point is 01:10:43 Hopefully. Because James Cameron seems like that kind of a passionate guy where he would work nonstop to make sure it's the best thing possible. You know, say whatever you want about his stories and the scripts, but he really cares about making an epic cinema experience. Yeah. He's one of those few guys who does.
Starting point is 01:11:00 People seem to think that these films are not going to perform or something. What do you guys think about that? I agree with that. I have no idea. I have no idea. Nobody really gives a shit about Avatar at this point, but if you release a trailer and it looks really cool, I mean, which Disney is pretty good at, they can market something for sure. that's what I was thinking
Starting point is 01:11:23 and that Avatar land in Disney is fucking insane and I bet that's a good promotional tool. Yeah. Yeah, it's so cool. We gotta go to Disney one day. Do it. So on a cast Disney trip. Yeah. I haven't been so. Oh, very nice.
Starting point is 01:11:40 I'll give you guys a tour. We've mentioned it several times now. Now the audience is going to expect it. Well, it will happen one day. I would like it to. I would like it to. Mm-hmm. I mean, now I'm done with college so I have way more free time.
Starting point is 01:11:53 Woo! Yeah, I couldn't be doing that shit before. Okay. Plus I had to pay for college. I couldn't be paying for Disney. Yeah. Yeah, we'll start planning. Hmm.
Starting point is 01:12:05 Next question, I guess. Yeah. Okay, let's do this silly one. I don't expect, um, let me just read it. 183 underscore 3470 says, do you judge porn in the same way as the movies you discuss on the podcast.
Starting point is 01:12:24 Does it distract you if they're a bad lighting or weak stories with plot holes? Yeah, that bothers me a lot. I mean, all of the porn that I consume is like animated, so. It's not real. Yeah, but what if the art is like really, really bad? Exactly, exactly. Yeah, that's the type of furry artwork that people share is always the most like disgusting Sonatoo level shit. Right?
Starting point is 01:12:51 It's like, oh, look at what? what furries are into when in reality it's like there's so many very talented artists out there like chunny you know like you nobody knows what i'm talking about that's fine furries furries fucking know what i'm talking about um but yeah there are very talented artists out there uh sometimes sometimes the the whole speech bubble thing can ruin it for me if there's like a spelling mistake or just improper grammar i'm like come on what is this you know damn You really are consistent. I think so.
Starting point is 01:13:25 I mean, to be fair, there's some where I'm like, ah, this makes no sense, but it's hot. Yeah, it doesn't really matter. As long as there's a pee-pee and a fanny. Oh, God. It's going to be a good time. A fanny. No, just the pee-pee.
Starting point is 01:13:45 Yeah. This porn comics got a lot of plot holes in it. Oh, that's awesome. That's a good question. Okay, let's go to one more serious. Bi-racial Gemini says, Which movie or TV show, whole or a single season, left you the most disappointed, and why? What springs to the mind?
Starting point is 01:14:11 Well, Game of Thrones springs to my mind, but... Movie or TV show as a whole? He means, he says, which movie or TV show, parentheses, whole, so like the whole show, or just a single season? Or just a single season. Okay.
Starting point is 01:14:29 The movie part being in there makes it confusing. Yeah, no, it does. I think we've had the most disappointing movie question before, I think, but... Yeah. So let's do TV. Yeah. I was going to say Game of Thrones,
Starting point is 01:14:43 which is the most recent example, but the past two seasons the writings kind of fell into the toilet. if that's the expression, it's really not as good as it used to be. Yeah, of course. It's not based on his books anymore. So, yeah. Game of Thrones was great for a while.
Starting point is 01:14:59 I'll elaborate on it more in future videos when the season's over. That was the second half of the question was Ralph, is Game of Thrones season eight getting a video from you? Oh, yeah, 100%. Okay, cool. I don't even think it's awful, but, yeah, disappointing is a good word for it. But what about you guys? I've got one
Starting point is 01:15:19 Sure A certain season of a TV show I used to really like Dexter Oh yeah Is it season 8 The last season Season 8
Starting point is 01:15:29 I haven't even watched it I've just seen funny clips from it The Kid on the Trendmill Yeah That's the best scene There's a whole There's a whole B plot That goes over multiple episodes
Starting point is 01:15:39 About this character It's just like a supporting character Who's really not important To the story Where they like Introduce that he's got a daughter and that she smokes weed and they have drama over it
Starting point is 01:15:51 and then they come back together at the end and it's like not related to anything to do with the grander scheme of the plot it just shows how much filler garbage was in the show by that point and they had no idea how to end it. Oh, that was bad.
Starting point is 01:16:06 Yeah, there's a few shows that I really love that kind of just teetered off over the years to the point where I could not continue watching, you know, the American version of the office. Season 7. Really?
Starting point is 01:16:25 I remember watching season 7 in my room with some friends. We were going through episode by episode. And about three of them went by and I realized, we haven't laughed once in the past three episodes. None of it's been funny. And I was like, why are we still watching this? And I just shut it off and never look back. Pretty much like right at the end of season 6 is where it was just like, The still bearable, still kind of funny, and then just started getting really, really bad.
Starting point is 01:16:53 And then I just, I couldn't do it anymore. The Simpsons is one of those. Yeah. I can't watch new episodes of The Simpsons, obviously. It sucks now. Well, now it's just on, just for the sake of being on. It's not even on. There's people that watch it, apparently.
Starting point is 01:17:09 Somebody's watching it. I have friends that are huge fans and continue to watch it. But no one thinks it's good anymore. Not nearly as good as you used to be. Oh, yeah. Season's two to 12, though, are fucking excellent. All the way to 12? Right now I'm going, I would say 12.
Starting point is 01:17:24 I'm going for like season 9, and it's still pretty good. I'm trying to figure out exactly where it becomes unwatchable. Oh, right. Well, it becomes unwatchable when the whole concept of the show becomes irrelevant, which is like making fun of the 80s sitcom family and, like, deconstructing that and parroting it. And now at some point, it became completely irrelevant to make fun of that. but they still did it. Simpsons did it.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Yeah, Simpsons did it. All of the talented writers went and did other things. That too. What about a death note, Adam? Is that on there? Not so much. I mean, I know exactly what you're talking about, obviously. To me, I feel like it would have ended much better at that moment, which, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler.
Starting point is 01:18:07 But it's obvious to anybody who watches the original anime, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. And then it kind of just like continues on as if they added like a couple more books to the manga, you know, after the fact or something. And yeah, I would have preferred for it to end there. But when I rewatch the show at some point, because I have the Blu-ray now and I kind of want to go through it again, I'll still watch through those other episodes. Like, they're not as good. The last 10 episodes are however many.
Starting point is 01:18:34 But, you know, I mean, the final episode, I remembered enjoying some of the cinematic aspects to it. I hate some of the characters that they introduced, but it wasn't super disappointing for me in a that like it was unwatchable or anything. It just wasn't as great as what I consider to be maybe the greatest anime show for me. So it's a pretty high bar in the first place. How about SpongeBob?
Starting point is 01:19:03 I love the first three seasons of SpongeBob. And then the creator left and did other things. He passed away recently, sadly. Yeah, he did. But these episodes are so bad. First three seasons of SpongeBob are awesome. The episodes without him there, they totally missed the point. God, they're so obnoxious.
Starting point is 01:19:22 Yeah, I guess I've never watched like a full season of SpongeBob, but I've heard that the newer episodes got really bad. Yeah. They did. All the classics are from the first three seasons. All the quotable lines and scenes and characters are from that. Yeah. And it's still funny.
Starting point is 01:19:40 I still don't know how this show is still as funny as it was like 15 years ago. Yeah. Oh, it's great. As an adult. Yeah. Of course. That's why it was so successful and popular. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:51 Like that's definitely made its cultural impact. Absolutely. I guess bringing it back to any maze. There was one called Wolf's Rain that I was really enjoying. And then about halfway through the series, they just started doing these like clip shows of like recaps. and every episode would just be like Hey
Starting point is 01:20:17 This is one of the characters Let's recap everything that's happened To this specific character I'm like okay that was odd Next episode Hey this other character here Let's recap everything And I was like
Starting point is 01:20:29 Okay and then like However many went by Like I think four of them in a row And I was just like What is this shit? And I stopped watching And I never finished it And I like I wanted to keep watching
Starting point is 01:20:40 But I just like lost interest Because of that It was so weird I might try rewatching it at some point. It's got a really great soundtrack. But yeah, just that animeism of recap filler episodes in the middle for no reason kind of just ruined my experience. It was so weird. House of Cards.
Starting point is 01:20:59 That's another one. That's another great one. Last season, especially. Yeah, especially. It was brutal. I can't believe. No. It went from like one of the best shows ever to that.
Starting point is 01:21:11 Ooh, true detective. Yeah, Christ. I didn't see the new season, though. Have you guys seen season 10th? He's apparently nearly as good as one. That's what I've heard. Not as great as the first season, but much better than the second. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:30 The second one is very confusing. Vince Vaughn is terrible. He sucks. The tone was, yeah. Wasn't Colin Farrell in it as well. Yeah, he was probably the best part, honestly. Yeah. I remember being like,
Starting point is 01:21:41 needlessly depressing as well. Yeah, it was very dark. It seemed to have no point as well by the end. So you're just torturing these characters for the sake of torturing them at this point. Yeah. Yeah, that was disappointing. Yeah. I'm sure there's a bunch.
Starting point is 01:21:57 The list could go on. It's usually what happens to television shows unless they have a clear place where they want to end. Right. Like Breaking Bad. Yeah. I respect and admire shows like those in Six Feet Under. where it's like, oh, you wanted to end it here. So we're going to end it here.
Starting point is 01:22:17 Although Mr. Robot, that got canceled, right? Did they have plans to keep it going? No, there you have one more season coming out. Oh, okay. So it's like that's where they wanted to end it. Yeah, they originally planned for five seasons, but they did four now. Okay. Probably because they're busy with other stuff.
Starting point is 01:22:32 I mean, Romney Malick's going to be in James Bond now and Sammas, as male is directing stuff. Okay. So, yeah. Yeah, I think it's a very respectable choice. to be like, you know what, this is a popular show. We could get renewed as many times as possible and just milk this thing into the ground,
Starting point is 01:22:48 but we want to have a good ending and we want to have the entire product being a consistent quality. I think that that's really respectable. Yeah. But that doesn't make as much money as the Walking Dead. Oh, God. Yeah, that's a good one.
Starting point is 01:23:02 I'm not planned out at all. Oh, Christ, yeah. I won't even say Walking Dead's disappointing. I think from the beginning it was okay, and then it just got horrible. I mean, like really quickly. I was still disappointed. Wasn't the best show in the world at the beginning,
Starting point is 01:23:18 but it had some potential, you know? Yeah, you're right. A lot of potential. Got thrown out the window, season two. Watch my review, everybody. I explain the whole thing. There's some drama behind the scenes there. Yeah, now none of the cast is around anymore, I don't think.
Starting point is 01:23:34 None of the original cast. Stephen Young's doing some great things now. Yeah. Burning. Mm-hmm. I hope the guy who plays Rick does good stuff now. Mm-hmm. He's a great actor.
Starting point is 01:23:46 Andrew Lincoln, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tons of talented actors on that show. It's just a bad show. It's nice to have something get popular and kind of like create someone's careers or like a show that's so popular that even if it's a bad show or whatever, pretty much everyone involved winds up coming out ahead because of it. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:24:07 They usually get in big movies. even as supporting roles that's something put some on the map yeah a lot of these shows they just have too many characters and they don't know what to do with them
Starting point is 01:24:18 after a while and so they just kind of throw them in or like with dexter like what you were saying with the pot yeah they just give these people things to do that don't matter it's bad because they've explored like the point of the character
Starting point is 01:24:31 once you've completed a character's arc it's really hard to revisit it that's why sequelitis is the term yeah it's not just TV thing. It's just hard to make a sequel for things that weren't planned to be a sequel. All right. Next.
Starting point is 01:24:47 All right. Next question. Brian. What accent? Have you seen spaced? I've never seen space. Oh my God. I've never seen space either, but I know that one.
Starting point is 01:24:56 Oh, it's so good. Hadgar right. Yeah. You got to watch that show. I will. That's so funny. Oh, yeah. It's on the list.
Starting point is 01:25:05 Yeah, I've never got around to watching that. All right. Let's do one from Bronzies Bonny Who says How do you guys feel about whitewashing in a movie For example Death Note, Ghost in a Shell, Dr. Strange, etc.
Starting point is 01:25:23 Have characters Have characters that do not match with the source material Do you think a movie should be judged By how the movie is and not on who plays the character? Thoughts It depends. Yeah, it really depends. In Death Note it's like
Starting point is 01:25:37 The character just does not work as well overall you know the the American aspect is is one of many factors that makes the character not work yeah less interesting definitely yeah when they change so much that they're barely even recognizable as the same character they might as well not even have the same name yeah it's like it's a little different they're like Americanizing it so they cast like a white dude as the lead because that's like the American
Starting point is 01:26:01 template I guess for Hollywood it was straight white male but then like ghosts in a show it was it I never I never ever saw the movie, but I believe it was like the soul of an Asian woman that they put into Scarlett Johansson's body. So it's like they're taking an Asian woman and putting it in a white woman's body. Like that's way more fucked up than... Devil's advocate here for something like ghost in the show. When you're trying to get funding for a project like that, you need to come up with a plan that's going to convince the studio to give you the money, right? Or convince producers. And there's pretty much no way you could get a movie like that greenlit unless you said Scarlett's in it.
Starting point is 01:26:44 I mean, it would be great if there were other actors that you could have with their name on the poster and then people would automatically see it without knowing what it is sort of thing. Like that's what they're concerned about is financial return. And so it's like it's almost like the movie just couldn't be made otherwise. and perhaps in the future there will be a more diverse variety of actors and actresses that with their name on the cover
Starting point is 01:27:14 they can sell the film but that's in essence really what the issue was there it wasn't out of any sort of like I don't think it was out of any sort of racist subtext or oh no I don't think so either it's a funding thing that industry it's Hollywood it's a byproduct of this
Starting point is 01:27:30 of the studio system where it's like you need to have a white guy in the lead otherwise people won't see it or a white girl. Yeah. You need to have Scrolet-Johansson. You need to have these A-lister's otherwise the movie's not getting made. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:27:43 It's bullshit. It's dumb. Yeah, but it's just the way the world is, you know. At this point. At this point. There's a weird recent example of this where it's not even to do with humans, but isn't Netflix
Starting point is 01:27:56 doing a live action adaptation of Cowboy Bebop? Hmm. But they changed the classic Corgi from the original to like an Alsatian It's like one of the most recognizable things And it's like what why the why It's not improving it
Starting point is 01:28:14 It's one of the most recognizable things from the show Why would you change that that's so stupid That is weird Changing for the shake of change Yeah That stuff is dumb Yeah Just remove its identity then
Starting point is 01:28:25 Okay the thing people like about it He makes these decisions man It's so stupid Yeah Yeah really really depends because in certain scenarios it's like
Starting point is 01:28:39 oh I don't I don't really care what the race of the character is as long as it still works for the story and as long as you know it's sometimes it's so distracting yeah sometimes seen this movie the last samurai oh no I haven't I know I love samurai movies but basically
Starting point is 01:28:55 Tom Cruise movie yeah Tom Cruise is in it it takes place in Japan and literally his character is just a white guy who's thrown into this situation And he's like, the savior. Like, he helps all these fucking samurai fight. And he's the only one who makes it at the end. Because you need a character that you can attach yourself to.
Starting point is 01:29:13 And how could you do that with somebody that's not white? Exactly. I can't possibly relate to somebody who's not white. I want to watch Ken Watanabe and the fucking Japanese samurai fight. I don't want to see Tom Cruise. I don't give a fuck about him. Yeah. And that's why, you know, if you want the best samurai movies, you just have to watch it in Japan.
Starting point is 01:29:31 Yeah. That's just the way. Things can be forced in either direction. And that's when it bugs me is when it's just like, this is being forced here, right? When it's not natural. Like the Rogue 1 when they throw in like the Chinese characters to appeal to the China market.
Starting point is 01:29:46 It's very transparent. Not that they're bad characters, but it's so transparent what they are. And the Meg. They did the same thing. Yeah, the Meg too. And we know what you're doing here. Yeah, skyscrapers is another one.
Starting point is 01:29:58 You want to sell this movie in China. That's what you're doing here. Yeah, I mean, depends. It's all context. Interesting question. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Let's do one from Citizen Hal, who says,
Starting point is 01:30:15 What are some movies that are still worth watching, even if you already know the ending or twist? It's an interesting one. I feel like I've seen a bunch of movies where I already knew the twist just because they were so famous in pop pop culture, like the sixth sense. Yeah, there's something that you can't avoid. enjoyment though. The Empire Strikes Back. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:35 Those are all good movies though. Fight Club. Pretty much just any good movie. I mean, if the twist is the only thing you have going for it, then it might not be a great film. The twist should enhance the second viewing. Yeah. You'd be like, oh, I want to watch that again, knowing the twist. That's why it doesn't ruin it for films like Sixth Sense or Fight Club. Because you can look for details that they purposefully placed to set it up, which is, yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:59 The Sixth Sense is. a great movie. What is like a twist in a movie that once you know it makes the film pointless to watch? I can't even think of one. Well, if it's like Serenity where the whole thing's a video game or something like that. That's a good one.
Starting point is 01:31:15 There are some where it makes the film just worse. Like high tension. I don't know if you've seen that. It creates a plot hole so big that Roger Ebert mentioned it in his review. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:29 It does not make any sense. It's a good movie otherwise. Alexandra Aja. He's coming up with that crocodile, gator movie or whatever. Gator movie. The one produced by Sam Ramey. Yeah, Gatorade the movie. This episode, sponsored by Gators.
Starting point is 01:31:55 How about remember me? I haven't even seen it, but I know it. it's really funny. Awful. Isn't that movie just awful anyway? Yeah, it's just a boring drama and then the end is it's 9-11. That was the twist. It was awful.
Starting point is 01:32:09 I'm like, wow, so you're just going to use 9-11 to have like an emotional punch at the end? Fuck you. Yeah, I'm not, I've never been a really big person to get super bothered by spoilers or anything. Obviously, I respect other people's experiences and I never include them in my own videos, things that I think could be considered spoilers I try to avoid unless I'm in spoiler section or something but to me it's like there's so many other aspects of a film if it's a great movie that
Starting point is 01:32:39 you should be able to enjoy it even if you're spoiled you know like a second viewing of a film you're essentially just already spoiled for it because you've seen it once but you should still be able to enjoy it right if it's a good movie in my opinion I agree with that but it is lame when like you only get to watch like
Starting point is 01:32:57 Fight Club for the first time once. If you watch that with a friend who hasn't seen it, it's kind of a fun experience for them to discover it without knowing the twist. Yeah, I don't want to take that away from someone. Yeah. Because I had that too. I watched Fight Club and didn't know the twist, and then what do you know? Awesome.
Starting point is 01:33:16 What a twist! We have a fun one here. What a twist. We have a fun one from A Kenji B. He says, How would you rank the last 10 films to win Best Picture? for reference. I'll quickly read them off and...
Starting point is 01:33:30 Sure. The Hurt Locker, the King's Speech, the artist, Argo, 12 years of slave, Birdman, Spotlight,
Starting point is 01:33:42 Moonlight, the shape of water, and Green Book. Green book's on the bottom. So you think Green Book's worse than Spotlight? Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm with you.
Starting point is 01:33:56 I think Spotlight's considerably better than that. Yeah. No, I think you're right. What's the best one then? Birdman. It's between Birdman or 12 years a slave for me. Yeah, Birdman's a good one.
Starting point is 01:34:10 I think Birdman's better. Twelve years of slave would probably be my second place there. Yeah. I love Hurt Locker. Hurt Locker's great. I think I like... I would put a roller really high up. I think I like Moonlight better than the Hurt Locker.
Starting point is 01:34:24 Yeah. Oh, Moonlight. I would probably put moonlight right under hurt locker. Okay. I love King's Speech, even though it got a lot of shit. Yeah, a lot of people really hate it. The artist is pretty low on there. I never saw that one. Because people wanted social network to win, and I agree. I think Social Network's a better movie, but King's Speech is a good movie on its own. Yeah, I think a lot of people just don't like it independently of that, too. I think a lot of people just find it boring or something. Yeah. It's really well shot in active. Argo, I'm not even sure if I finished, honestly. I think I was just bored. I remember enjoying it. I wouldn't put it nearly as high as some of these others, though. No.
Starting point is 01:35:03 The artist is pretty well on there. I really enjoyed the artist, but it's not something that I'm like rushing back to see. Yeah. So we'll see. That's how I feel about it. I'd say the shape of water is better than that. Yeah, the shape of water is the only other one we haven't discussed just now. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:21 And then just at the bottom would be Green Book and Spotlight. but yeah yeah whichever one I guess doesn't really matter yeah very unsurprising answers here I guess yeah
Starting point is 01:35:41 people are always asking about ranking best picture films for some reason so I thought I'd finally put it in there yep so based on what we said they can figure out the ranking whatever yeah figure it out basically
Starting point is 01:35:56 the worst is Green Book and the best is 12 years of slave and Birdman Fuck, what was the other one? Yeah. Birdman, yeah, yeah. Birdman. Bird boy.
Starting point is 01:36:06 Should we do a couple more? And the rest are like in the middle. Yeah, sure, we can do a couple more. We have a short but sweet one from Expendable 418 who says, What would you say the purpose of filmmaking is? I don't think we've ever even talked about that. Memes.
Starting point is 01:36:22 Storytelling. Yeah, when I saw the question earlier, that's what popped into my head. I think humans are sort of innate storytellers. They want to share things that can teach people. That's how we teach kids, isn't it? We tell them stories and fables and so a lot of religions based around. It teaches you empathy and like the more emotional side.
Starting point is 01:36:43 Because there's like facts. You could read fucking textbooks or whatever. But we tell ourselves stories so we get like the human connection to these things that have happened throughout the history of humanity, you know. Yeah. And we have different media. for it, whether it's writing or painting, and just film is just one of them. It's my favorite medium to express yourself through, but there's others.
Starting point is 01:37:05 Expression doesn't even need to be necessarily a story, just a shared experience. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. It's just art, isn't it? Yeah. How do you find, define up? Yeah. Being able to share kind of a connection and express yourself in a way that somebody else would hope
Starting point is 01:37:27 understand, I guess. Yeah. Something that evokes a response. Yeah. Like an emotional response in somewhere. Mm-hmm. Okay. And the memes.
Starting point is 01:37:37 Yeah, memes too. Yeah, memes is at the top of the list, obviously. Santic. Let's end on this one then, from Simple Ambassador. He says, What is something stupid and regrettable that you've done in the past that still haunts you to this day, even though it really shouldn't? Not even movie related.
Starting point is 01:37:57 I don't know. There's a few, I guess. Yeah, it's a lot of things. Go with a goofy one. Yeah. The goofiest one you can think of. Oh, man. Okay.
Starting point is 01:38:13 I guess I'll do the first one that popped into my head. I have one if you want to go off to out of embarrassment or something. I mean, yeah, I got one in my head. It doesn't matter. Okay. Mine's a, mine's pretty weird. When I was in primary school, I did like a poo on the floor in the garden, and then my dog ate it.
Starting point is 01:38:38 Sorry, what? When I was like in primary school, you know what young boys are like? They're just like poo and wheeze. I just did a poo on the floor, and then my dog ate it. Huh. All right. Nice.
Starting point is 01:38:56 Okay. Go on to yours now. Okay. When I was in elementary school, I forget what grade. I was pretty young. I was 10 or under. And I guess, like, just my experience growing up, there were some, I guess concepts or norms that I didn't fully grasp. as quickly as other people in some ways.
Starting point is 01:39:32 And I guess I just had like kind of a naive or distorted view of reality or how things work. Right. And so I remember watching the show Arthur, you know, with DW, that show. And there was like an episode where basically the theme was. they were trying to teach a lesson on perspective and how, you know, the grass is always greener kind of syndrome. And so I think Arthur and like one of the other kids, you know, to get taught this sort of lesson for the kids watching the show, they basically, um, swapped lives for like a week or something. Like, oh, you're going to, you're going to live in their shoes and you're going to live with this family. And then the other kid's going to live with this family for a week. And you. And you're, you're going to live with this family for a week. And you're, and you're going to, you're going to live in. And you're going to live in. And you're, you're going to see that your lives are really, you know, not, like what you perceive the other person's life to be is not necessarily what their life actually is. And I was very interested in that. And I thought that that was a great idea. And I love the idea of getting new perspective. And so I
Starting point is 01:40:48 tried to like, I tried to like kind of organize something like that with one of my friends. I was like, oh, man, that would be a cool idea. And I asked my mom about it. And unfortunately, my mom did this thing where she was like, she meant no, like obviously it was a stupid idea sort of thing. Like, I'm not going to let somebody else raise you for a week and take another kid. Like, why would I do that? But she didn't say that. She said, I'll think about it. And then when my friend, I guess, was like getting picked up by his mom at my place for something much later.
Starting point is 01:41:23 And as they were leaving, I opened the door. And I was like, oh, yeah, the whole switching. house this thing my mom said that she'd think about it and this this moment where both my friend and his mom looked at each other with this kind of like really face like like this this connection that they had where they were thinking to each other like this is what are you serious but they didn't say anything to me and the fact that they didn't say anything to me made me feel so stupid and i just i i i it i kept thinking about it forever of just one of those like embarrassing moments of like oh yeah and now obviously I'm older and I understand that's not how the world works but I was naive and I was a kid and I thought that that was a thing that like people could do I thought that people were interested in gaining an outside perspective of their own reality and and yeah there's a lot of things like that yeah yeah there's a lot of things like that yeah there's a lot of things like that in life. You reminded me a one, Alex, your shit story. I was in kindergarten and I shit my pants like on the playground.
Starting point is 01:42:37 So I went inside the school and I like took off my underwear or what do you call? Pants? I took off my pants. I threw it in the toilet and I flushed it and I'm like okay that's the end of that problem but the toilet clogged. Of course. And like all that went out, like all the water came out
Starting point is 01:42:54 seeped onto the floor and went into the hallway and like the whole fucking hallway stank. of my shit for like the whole day, the whole day. And everyone was like, what the fuck is that smell? I knew it what it was. And I was just laughing to myself. Oh, that's pretty good.
Starting point is 01:43:10 No, it's not one of my proudest moments. That's awesome. They would like smell every kid because they thought someone shit their pants like in the classroom. So they brought out every kid and smelled them and like let me them leave the room to see if they got rid of the smell. But nothing works because it was the fucking, it was the stink from the bathroom. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. The shit stories are always fun.
Starting point is 01:43:37 All right. That was a good one. Good episode. I got some good stuff in there. Yeah. I'm a proud of that one. I guess it's time for a recommendation. It's your turn.
Starting point is 01:43:54 Of course, yeah. So, with me being hella busy, we're recording the next episode early because it's easier for things to line up that way so since I'm going to be gone pretty much starting tomorrow I have an idea of a recommendation that's something that I can kind of
Starting point is 01:44:15 watch in my hotel room and come back to it back and forth sort of thing so this is going to be a little different I'm pretty sure that you guys have never seen this it's a television show and I'm recommending the entirety of the show it's only two seasons but it's like
Starting point is 01:44:34 I think the total runtime is like probably two hours or less and they're 11 minute episodes it's adult swim it's called Xavier Renegate Angel Oh okay Yeah
Starting point is 01:44:46 I thought you were going to recommend moral oral No I want to do that at some point But the runtime is longer The runtime's like probably four hours total for that one I will do that at some point Oh, you've seen it now? Yeah, but we can still talk about it. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:45:01 Okay, sure. Yeah, I'd like to recommend. But you guys have not seen Xavier, right? No. Okay. Okay, so this is basically the polar opposite of Jean Diehlmann. So, it's, it's, it's, it's an experience. It's one of my favorite shows.
Starting point is 01:45:22 It's created by PFFFFR, the people that did Wonderstst, Shosen, The Heart She-Haller, and most recently, The Shivering Truth. And those are all great shows. Have you seen any of them? Wonder Shosen, probably? No. Oh, Jesus. Well, Xavier's going to be, like, one of the better ones to talk about.
Starting point is 01:45:45 And one of the ones that will be the easiest for me to be able to watch while I'm gone sort of thing. Cool. I've seen the show many times, and I can't wait to talk about it. Awesome. All right. We did it. That's that.
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Starting point is 01:46:32 Don't poo on the floor Yeah Don't shit your pants And throw it in the toilet Or else we'll get you with a flick knife Yeah Yeah Wear your nappies and eat chips
Starting point is 01:46:45 From a kabab man Yeah You cunt You got a poo in the Lou That's one I didn't even mention Lou Oh yeah Do you call them Luz What is that?
Starting point is 01:46:56 It's a toilet. You do a slash in the loose. It's just a toilet. It's not like a urinal, like a specific kind of toilet. No, it's just a toilet. Do you guys have a lot of bidetes? Is that a common thing?
Starting point is 01:47:07 The only person I've ever known with a B-Day was my nan. She got rid of it like ages ago. Yeah. Happy Badee. My Italian grandmother has one. Is it awesome? I've never used it.
Starting point is 01:47:24 I've never been interested, but yeah. All right, thanks, everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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