Sardonicast - Sardonicast #42: Sony vs. Disney, Cinema Paradiso

Episode Date: September 9, 2019

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Three, two, one. Hey, legal eagles, it's time to think like a lawyer. This is Sardonicast. I discovered that channel a couple weeks ago. My roommate showed it to me. It's like a YouTube lawyer channel. He covered like Epstein and a bunch of other stuff. Interesting.

Very nice guy. He seems like it. You never know. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. From Ralph the movie maker. I'm Alex from IH. All right. Well, what's up?

Well, what's up, everybody? Did you see what Sony did to Disney? Yes, in fact. Oh, it was chaos. Yeah, absolutely chaos. It was great. I'm actually very happy about it because I might win my bet. Well, you say, no, we need to talk about that bet.

Yeah, I don't even know what the bet was. I want Tom Hardy and Tom Holland to meet up. That's all I want. Okay, because I think somebody posted in our subreddit, and I heard the words, Venom in the MCU movies. Yeah. Because I think that's what it was. I was like Venom's never going to be in the MCU, right?

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's what I said. Well, because I never would have imagined that Sony just like just said, fuck you and leave. Like they just like, they didn't like that Disney wanted to take more money. So they said, we're out of here. They said, I break up with you, Disney. I break up with you, Disney.

I break up with you. Well, yeah, what else is Sony goal? It's the only leverage they have, so they might as well use it. Well, I don't know. I haven't. done all my research on this, but it really seems like Disney was trying to push them around anyway. So I don't understand this perspective of like Sony did that to Disney. Because like Disney wanted, what, 50, 50 on the films or something, but they get 90 on the merchandise. Like, is that

like, that's what I read from somewhere. I don't know. Maybe I should do my fact check. Who knows exactly what it was? But my guess is like Disney is in a very powerful position right now. And so they thought they could just leverage like oh we can just jerk around Sony it's not right and Sony's kind of like in the underdog position now which is weird for them to do that it's like little yeah it's weird it's cool how the dynamic is changed playground school fights with large corporations like yeah so strange but you go back like trading cures like trading cards yeah yeah 15 years ago it was totally different Disney was like not doing that well with the live action films and Columbia was making Spider-Man movies and doing like making tons of money.

Now it's the exact opposite. It's very, very strange to see this major contrast in people saying like, oh, fuck Disney and their remakes and then all of a sudden there's this one instance where everybody is rooting for Disney to obtain another intellectual property. You know, everybody's complaining about Disney owning everything. And now it's like, oh, you just got to give Spider-Man to Disney. Because everybody loves the MCU so much, right? So it's, yeah.

You forget. The reason they're so powerful now. Yeah, really? Yeah, they got rabid fanboys on their side. It's a shame. I like those Spider-Man movies. I like the new one. And it's a shame, it probably won't.

I mean, everything they set up in that last movie probably won't be carried on into the next ones. Which is mental. It's hilarious. It seemed like they were building him up to be like the new main gun. Right. It's like, what are they going to do? He's supposed to be the new Ironman. It's really funny.

It's a scenario. Like, I don't know. They'll probably have another business conversation again. You think that's the end? You think they're already like in production? Yeah, there might be some negotiation. We don't even know if they're going to get a new Spider-Man or not. Apparently Tom Holland said he's still in it.

Yeah? That's what he said, I think. So, uh-huh. They just, like, what do you do? But what about like John Favreau? He's not going to be in it anymore. He's part of it. Disney's like whole crew.

They'll just recast him. I don't know. Yeah. Or Zendaya or, I mean, there's probably other people. Bring back Emma Stone. Yeah, maybe it'll get Hannibal Burris back now, though. They should just make a third Andrew Garfield movie. Just bring him back?

Yeah. I've always wanted a post-credit scene where, like, Toby McGuire, Andrew Garfield, and Tom Holland have dinner. Yeah. And Andrew Garfield's like this. Disappointing Middle Child. Sony, hit up your boy Ralph. He's got a screenplay for you already.

Get in on that It's gonna be great Did you guys see who's lined up to direct Venom 2 Speaking of Sony? I have no idea No, but I'm very excited to hear Oh, Andy Circus apparently Huh Wow

Still haven't seen that Jungle Book thing he did for Netflix It ain't good It wasn't even originally supposed to be for Netflix Wasn't it? It's supposed to be like a major theatrical release And then John Fevereaux releases thing And they're like, eh No

Well, yeah, they couldn't possibly compete. So just like, here you go, Netflix, have it. I think Andy Circus made another film starring Andrew Garfield. So it all connects. Oh. I don't know what the name of it. Extended universe. Yeah.

Sony just needs to make their own extended universe in the same way that Disney did, except just Sony characters. So we'll get, like, the emojis in on it. We'll get all the emojis. And they'll battle Spider-Man. Or when Spider-Man goes into his phone, just start playing an app game or something and then it'll turn into the emoji movie for like a scene and then just never be mentioned again just like some good product placement

it was sort of their plan though wasn't it was at least with spider man because that's what was like a huge problem with those old films they were shoved full of so much like teasing and set up for the future because they were just riding off marvels like coat tails yeah but it was just supposed to be like only spider man characters I guess yeah yeah they can make their own cinematic universe with just Spider-Man characters. That's not far fast. Yeah, Spider-Man has a good universe. That's probably why they left.

You don't even, like, to make a good Spider-Man movie, you don't need all the rest of the MCU characters. Like, I like the story of the MCU, I guess, in terms of Spider-Man being in it. Like, I think that it adds its own unique thing to those Spider-Man movies, but you don't need it there. Mm-hmm.

Right. That's probably what Sony thought. They're like, we don't really need Marvel at this point. So let's just go off and do our own thing and I appreciate that I don't know Disney just Disney needs to just calm down a little like how much money do they really need right now I know like just make make a bit of a deal you know make a make a compromise you don't need as many billions of dollars right now you own what like it's have to go up every year they now own five of the top 10 grossing films of all time now or something

Right. Oh, yeah. Like, what, how much is enough? It's never enough? This is the problem. But when our audience is going to have enough? Like, will audience accept, like, a new Spider-Man again with a new actor and a new story and a new universe? I don't know if that's happening.

It's so ridiculous. But it would be really funny if we got another origin story. I want another Uncle Ben death. Just do it. Who would play Uncle Ben this time? Who would they go? Sony handled Spider-Verse, right? Yeah, they made the best Spider-Man movie probably ever.

Yeah. I still like Spider-Make 2 more personally, but, like, I acknowledge that's a great movie. So why are we like, why are people against Sony just making their own Spider-Man films at this point? If they hire the right people, it works out. Right, when you get Mark Webb. There's a problem. Oops. But those movies were a while ago.

I bet there's like a whole new management team. at Sony at this point and they're they're you know taking Spider-Man in a different direction yeah they know that didn't work the dark Andrew Garfield emo Spider-Man yeah the reaction to the dark

night everything was like now we need to be the same who will just follow us just follow trends yeah yeah that was weird that's why the first one that breaks a trend spider verse everyone's like well this is amazing no yeah I guess it works yeah I don't know it's

It's at the point where superhero movies are just so pop culture and inescapable that I think that the direction needs to kind of be a bit more self-aware, like, you know, Spider-verse, where it's kind of like poking fun at itself as it's doing it. Because otherwise, it's just like, what are we doing? The issue is these universes are starting to fall apart now over time because of these rights issues and actors just not wanting to do them anymore. and it affects the story it's like how can you be invested in a story

when you can like a day later the Sony studio could just take the rights away to the character like how can you tell a story that way they can just pull a days of future past and then change all the actors like oh this is the character now

it's always like this kind of it's just exhausting it is and now it's getting to such an extreme degree with the reaction to these movies that people are already turning on that film Joker before it's even been seen by most people. Everyone's like everyone's already ruined it

by how everyone's sort of romanticizing the Joker and stuff like they always have all the memes everywhere complaining about it's just edgy and you know all this kind of stuff I don't know it's really interesting it's in both directions really with that movie it's like they're both justifying each other's existence like you see the IMDB rating it's like come on

3,000 people haven't seen this movie yet I know What are you doing? Why is it like a 9.7? Who are they serving by just jumping to these posts of movies and rating it a 10th? Themselves. I just have never understood that. Just because they're so hyped for it that like it's not even a movie anymore.

It's like part of their identity. No wonder they get so upset when you give them bad reviews. Yeah. It's not about watching a film. It's about justifying their obsession with a previously existing superhero character, like an action figure. is I think what I said in my suicide squad review. Like that's why there was such a disagreement between film critics and fans. Yeah.

You can just enjoy these characters on a surfacer. Well, they don't need to become part of your life. I know. They're obsessed. I just enjoy Spider-Man. It's not like part of my identity. I'm like, yeah, these are good movies. I like that character.

Yeah. DC and MCU are basically like football teams at this point. Right. So especially with like the DC movies, like they're so desperate to. just be like, oh man, this is good, I swear. Like, they need to be able to prove that. Like, like it's sports. I know.

They're training players. Everything is just turning. It's not about the films anymore. Everything on the point of it. It's like a whole thing now. It's all about the reactions and the studios and the actors having their whole, like, some people don't like Brie Larson or Sebastian Stan because of things they say. It's a whole, it's a whole thing.

Yeah. Or just like, even a film like Black Panther, like no one talks about the film Black Panther. They just talk about how everyone talks about the film Black Panther. It's so, it's gone to such a meta level now that it's actually really hurts to think about. Yeah, it's like, it's like the world of American partisan politics has escaped America and now has infected everybody on the planet. Yeah. Sorry. It's really, there is a gigantic parallel though.

Because like, I don't know. I was watching the last the American presidential election it felt more like a wrestling match in the debates how everybody was announced popularity contest yeah I mean that's how they always were

that's basically what the presidential debates have always been it's just like it's getting more funny took advantage of it yeah he was a television personality so he's like I know how to play this song I know how to roast someone on stage

but you know should the president be doing something like that I don't know this is a movie podcast yeah Speaking of not politics, there's another thing Disney's been doing, if we're done talking about that Sony thing. Because they bought the Fox, so everybody right now, you know, being like, oh, well, Disney should just buy Sony and then Spider-Man will be in the MCU and I'll be happy. Well, turns out that there's a lot of negative consequences that come with something like that, because Disney is kind of fucking evil.

So basically what's happened is now small independent theaters, even Cineplex, even big chains. they're losing the back catalog to the Fox archives. So now if a theater wants to be like, okay, we're having a movie night, we're going to watch Die Hard because it's Christmas. They can't. So literally they're like, no more old movies allowed to be screened,

which Disney has done for a long time for their own properties. Now they're just doing it for the Fox ones that they've obtained. So the only one that they're really allowing theaters to continue replaying from their archives is like Rocky Horror Picture Show because it's kind of like, I guess, the cult movie that you do that with. But yeah, like independent theaters, like the Rio and Vancouver, like, they're kind of heartbroken

over this because there's so many Fox Catalog movies that they would, I don't know. I don't know why they do that. I think because they think that it's competition for the newer films that they release in theaters, and they want that to have a bigger impact, and they're like, no, we got to have the biggest box office numbers. Like, you've got to be seeing the new movies sort of thing. Like, I have no idea. But they just don't want...

That would be idiotic if that was, like, the way they were thinking. Well, yeah, I mean, like, they're making money either way. People want to buy this stuff. Yeah. I've just never understood the way they've always done that, though. Even with their own films, it's so frustrating. It's like, I want to give you money to watch your product. Why do you have to be this way about it?

You know, I don't actually, like, I don't own a theater, but perhaps maybe the older catalog movies are actually cheaper to license. And maybe they just want to only have the more expensive newer films for those theaters. for any theaters. Because right now, like, back when, I forget, I think maybe the first Infinity War was out or something, like Disney was threatening small theaters saying, you're not allowed to play this movie unless it's on all the screens in your theater.

They're like, we can't play any other movies. They're like, yeah, and you have to play this, or else we're never going to let you play a Disney movie again. Like, they were literally just, like, blackmailing small theater chains, which is disgusting. Like, people talk. about Netflix being the death of cinema. I think Disney is.

Disney is actively pursuing smaller theater chains and trying to sabotage them. What they did to Tarantino with Hathful Eight. They were going to, well, Hathful Eight was made for that Cinerama screen. And that week, I think Star Wars came out, and they said, you got to play Star Wars here, not Hapelight. Otherwise, they would like not give them Star Wars at all, their whole chain.

So, yeah, they do it. all the time. Throwing the size of their nuts around. Yeah. We have Star Wars and you have to bend to our knees, so suck. How about Jeff Bezos buys Disney and it's all just on Amazon Prime forever now? And then problem solved maybe. Who knows?

Everything's just on Amazon. Yeah. Disney Plus coming out soon. Is it already out? I don't even know. I'm not sure. Oh, God. It just never.

It never does. It's just a new subscription for every day of the week. Everything just wants to have you subscribe to it. From the first time we talked about the terrible shenanigans of Disney on this podcast, I had no idea we'd be doing it like every other episode or every episode. I didn't know there would be like a new thing every two weeks where they just like completely fuck something up. Yeah.

But is it going to collapse? Is there going to be a point where either people get sick of it or people run out of money or something happens in the economy? to where people are like, I can't afford 20 subscription services, and then this whole thing's going to fall apart. I mean, yeah, I guess when it comes to, like, all the subscriptions, maybe, but, I mean, during the 2008 financial crisis, one of the few industries that was relatively untouched by it was the entertainment industry.

Like, people still value entertainment, even if they can't afford a lot of things. It's like, okay, well, this is the one thing that's brightening my day a little. Like, you need to have something to do when you get back from, from working your second job or whatever. Yeah, but maybe theaters are getting too expensive to even be that. Maybe. Do you think it's more,

do you think it'll be more of that or more that people will just get fed up eventually of the types of movies? Or do you think that's not even... I don't know. Yeah. You can never tell. You can't, though. This is just, we're trying to psychoanalyze the general population, you know?

I'm no normie. I don't know how Normie is worked. If you just look at the past, like, 60 years, like what? genre has remained on top in the way these superhero movies have for this long. Like, there's never just one thing that's like, yep, from now until the end of time, it's just going to be superhero movies that people care about. Like, it's kind of, it can't. It just makes no sense.

Yeah. I have no idea. It's got to change. It really does feel like kind of a different beast, though. It, like, at the same time, like, yes. Like, too big to fail, yeah. You know, who knows? Like, I can't even say for sure.

It does feel like a different energy than just like, oh, yeah, Westerns were popular. for a long time once. Yeah. Like this is, this is like, this has Disney behind it. This has like, it's more calculated,

yeah. The most complicated web of events spanning over like 30 movies. Like you don't have, you don't have, none of the other ones were just like, oh yeah, 30 movies worth of one story basically.

Mm-hmm. It was like a genre where it was like new stories. And then eventually people were like, eh, whatever, I don't need to see this new one. But people are like, oh, I need to see this new one because it connects to the other ones

I already love. Yeah, but people, like, they get attached to the history of it, too. Like, imagine if they're still going in 20 years' time, there'll be, like, kids being born into it with the adults, like, yeah, back in my day, it was like, Avengers Infinity Wall is our one. Now look at the new one, Avengers Dino Crisis, whatever the fuck. That's what it's going to be like, man. Avengers Dino Crisis.

Yeah, it's, uh, it's not good. And, uh, hopefully, I don't see a silver line. to this. I really don't. I'm trying to be like, oh yeah, hopefully, well, you know, the market something will crash, something will give. Is it stopping like the films we want to be seen made from happening? Because like, we're still getting just as many good films as ever, right? It's just we're consuming them in a different way. Yeah, this is true. But those have mostly been independent films recently. Like, there aren't a lot of big budget Hollywood films coming out

that I think are worthy of like the top 10. There's like medium-sized budget ones. And there used to be, it used to be that way. We'll never get another matrix. No. We'll never get something like that Or even like we were talking about one episode How in the 90s it was all original films making tons of money It's all number one in the box office And that hasn't been it hasn't been the same Mm-hmm

At least we have Netflix and A24 and a bunch of shit Yeah, that seems like the new Those are the guys who were actually making stuff That would be the one way out of this Is if people were just like Because they have to lower people in Netflix Instead Like Amazon is trying to get people to get Amazon

So they're making amazing content They're making great movies And now they're making a Lord of the Rings show Which is going to be half a billion dollars The budget We even just look at what Netflix has put out Like recently Mind Hunter, Dark Crystal

Have you seen the new Mindhunter is incredible I haven't yet but I'll make time for it Alex? I watched Mind Hunter though I've seen a couple episodes of it But I prioritized Mind Hunter first Okay nice Yeah I saw the first like 45 minutes of the

new Dark Crystal. I was very tired and I had to go to sleep, but I really enjoyed it. It fixed a lot of the issues I had with the original. Yes, that's what I was thinking. But I had a really weird reaction to it, though. Yeah? What reaction? Well, I was like, I felt like I was losing my mind because Dark Crystal has always been this, like, kind of lame 80s property no one cared about.

And now Netflix has taken it and turned it into this, like, epic fantasy sci-fi. Sorry, not sci-fi. Just fantasy world full of CG and, like, actors and it's just like what what is happening I can't really this even it is a cult thing it makes sense that they'd want it like it wasn't like an unknown property or anything like there's a lot of people no but it's also just like it's an expensive ass show like it looks expensive like a huge investment went into recreating the ballbusting hard work that went into the original and like

that's the only reason anyone really cared about that it's not the story it's more the just the presentation of the puppetry and everything and they really like doubled down on that yeah from what I've seen so far far anyway. Production value. Anyway, I guess we're done talking about fuck Disney assholes.

Ralph, you had Yeah, midsomer. The director's cut came out in, well, Hollywood only right now. Oh, really? L.A. right now. It's only L.A.

Yeah, I think so. Anyway. But it's coming out like a little wider, I think next weekend. But people were curious, like, what the differences are. A little wider. Did I say wider?

I mean, who's to say? Anyway, it was great It was almost three hours long They didn't add a lot of disturbing stuff Which is like people I think that's what they're most curious about If there's any like more gore Crazy shit

Is this a spoiler? Not really No Okay Not really I mean because there's one scene I think this is probably the best scene that they added But it's like the basic premise of the movie

It's when The boyfriend invites Danny to Sweden with them. That was probably the best scene they added. They actually show their whole like argument. That's cool. And how he, like, she eventually kind of guilts him

into inviting her. Oh, really? That was all great to see. And it made the scene after way more funny because you know, like, what's going to happen and, like, how he's going to feel this info to his friends. So they just added a lot more of their relationship.

And it's funnier because they give like Will Polter more stupid lines. and stuff like that. So, yeah, it was actually funnier than the regular theatrical cut. Does it make the turn to the cult seem a bit more, I don't know, slowly paced or more... Yeah, especially toward the end, because they had a lot more stuff toward the end. They had a whole scene at night. There's a whole ritual scene at night, followed by an argument between them.

And that makes the kind of the slow descent of Danny into, like, giving into this cult and doing the drugs. It makes more sense in that context. Sounds really cool, actually. Yeah. It's like half an hour longer. I mean, it's longer, right. I understand why it was cut down because it is significantly longer. And the arguments feel like real arguments.

They're like going back and forth in circles and everything. Like he walks away and then he comes back to her and he walks away again. It feels like a real couple fighting. It's hard to watch. But it's good. Yeah, sounds great. Sounds dink. If anyone was curious.

I hope it comes out at some point. I don't think it's coming out with the Blu-ray. Oh, really? No. Why not? So they can release it later and charge more money. That's what they do. Maybe it'll be like you can get it on like iTunes or something.

I don't know. Yeah, there'll be a torrent of it somewhere. They have to release it somehow. Yeah. Not just in L.A. That's what happened with the house that Jack built. They had that like director's cut of it. But it only came out like in a few theaters.

No, I think you can, isn't there like an unrated cut that you can get like on the Blu-ray or online or something? Now? Maybe now, but like for a long time, you couldn't. The unrated cut came out on YouTube for like a day. Oh, yeah. And then they got rid of it. I don't understand why they did that either. You know what I wish we could see?

These scenes make no sense. Is the single film version of Kill Bill that only screens like in Japan and you can't get anywhere on Blu-ray or anything. I would love to see that shit. Damn it. The whole bloody affair? I think that's what it's called. Yeah. Pizzes me off that I can't see it.

I really wish I could. It's just money just sat at the side. I feel like I say it every episode. Like, the people who are fans of film, they want to spend money on it. They want to watch the films in different ways that they've been showing around the world or whatever and like different cuts and everything. But there's never like a consistent good way of being able to get our hands on them. Like most of the time it's just like it just winds up being torrents, like you said.

because it's just the easiest, the most simple way. It's really sad because now with digital distribution, you'd think that it's the easiest fucking thing in the world to do. Yeah, it makes it extra frustrating. A copy of the film, which you do, because you own the rights to it, and you're literally just sitting on it, preventing other people from watching it,

why not just hire some intern or whatever to like click a button and upload it to iTunes? And that's it. I was thinking that with like, there's so many films from the 2007 list I'm doing that are either way too hard to find or don't have any HD copies, even though it's like, you know that the film exists in HD, but there was only ever a DVD because it's 2007. And it's like, oh, well, digital distribution didn't exist yet. And it wasn't popular enough for a Blu-ray, which was a relatively new format at the time. And so Sony Pictures Classics or whatever will just sit on it. And it's like how many of these films do they have where all they would need to do is just get some intern to click a button?

I mean, I'm sure there's more paperwork than that, obviously. And there might be, you know, there's obviously going to be costs associated with it. But you'd think that it existing on iTunes and displaying as, oh, this movie is an HD that more people would want to watch it? Because, like, more people want to see things in HD now. Like, that's a thing that matters. It's convenient. Yeah. It's like advertising career.

film. Like, more people will buy it. Perhaps the reason why it isn't selling as well is because it's not an HD. It exists. Just click a button. People don't even know about it. If it's like on a, like, if it's on Netflix or something, it's right there. Everyone sees it. If you, like, hide these films away

and don't release them on the internet and give them no digital distribution, no one even fucking knows about them. Yeah. You can't find them. I have issues with those films, like on your list, Adam, sometimes. Yeah. They're hard to find some of them.

Yeah. Yeah. Some of them are really, really, really difficult to find. Unless I go on solar movie or something. Yeah. Which I don't want to do. Yeah, there's some that are kind of impossible to find. And I think that a lot of this is just coming out of the issues with copyright law in the first place. Where it's like, I don't know.

What did it used to be? Like 20 years or something? Used to be. And then it was like until the artist's death. And now it's like 8 billion years after they die. Like, yeah. It's like, oh, we don't want to give up this shit. To push the date.

Yeah. Like, we don't, we don't want to give up these properties, but we don't want to sell them to you either. What are you doing? It's just ownership. It's just keeping things away from other people. It's basically just censorship at this point, where it's like the property's so old. It should be public domain. What a piss off.

Piss off. Actually, a piss off. It actually makes me upset. I think there should be less restrictions on art. I think that people should be more free to use art how they want. Yeah. Great. Thanks, Disney.

Thank you very much. I'll be back. You fucking mouse. God damn, pricks. That's the worst part is that they're so bland. It's so bland. They own all these properties and they're not going to do anything with it. Yeah.

Because they always play it safe. Yeah. It's not about art. It's not about art and the latest. Like, what is a movie anymore? It's so unalical, isn't it? Yeah. It's a factory product

It's the same as their merchandise Just pump it out on a conveyor belt It has to appeal to the most people Possible, which I understand But when every film is that It's going to become a problem Because no one I don't At least I don't want to watch that

If Disney had their way There would be no challenging films in existence Because they would own every single property And they would never make one They would just make every film Yeah If Disney had their way they would make it illegal to make another movie.

To be like, we're only allowed to make movies, sorry. That's what they would honestly want. They're like the Nestle of movie studios. They're fucked. Anyway, I guess we're going to Ralph's

recommendes' sedation. Yeah. Spoiler warning? It's an Italian movie. Yeah, spoiler warning. The movie's called Cinema Paradiso. It's a movie about a young boy who discovers a love

for cinema at his local Cineplex called Cinema Paradiso and he also befriends a projectionist named Alfredo right I think it's Alfredo yeah it's about a few things it's like a coming of age story it's about growing up and missing your childhood having a longing for a past it's about like cinema's impact on Italy during World War II and how it provided escapism for all these people who were going through a lot of going through hard times basically. And yeah, it's considered one of the best movies ever made. So I'm curious what you guys thought of it. Also, there's two different cuts of it.

Yes. There's a director's cut and there's a regular theatrical cut. Yeah. So, Adam, you watched the theatrical cut. Yes, I did. Right? And Alex, you watched, which one? Apparently it's called the International cut.

The International cut. How long was it? It was about two hour, ten minutes or so. Okay, but then we both watch the theatrical. All right. Yeah. Which is great. I've seen both, so it doesn't matter.

Okay, good. Yeah. You can cover both bases then. I understand why the theatrical cut is the theatrical cut, and that's the one that most people have seen and like. I prefer the director's cut because it's longer, and the biggest difference is it elaborates more on that last act where he's an adult and he's longing for his childhood. it focuses more on his like relationship with that girl. Yeah. From when he was younger, it shows more like, yeah, just more of him being an adult.

And that's kind of gone from the theatrical cut. Yeah. Because the best stuff is the beginning. And I understand why. The stuff with the kid. It is seen as more of like a resolution to the other events than kind of like its own thing in the theatrical cut. Exactly. It's like a little epilogue almost.

I did really enjoy it I'd be willing to watch it again for sure I'd be interested to see what the theatrical cut is like or sorry the director's cut I mean one of my reservations would be that even in the theatrical cut although I really loved it

I did find aspects to be a little repetitive and I'm just wondering how much of that would carry through into the director's cut because like as it is I feel like from what I understand about the director's cut and what's missing in the theatrical cut,

I don't really, I don't know how that still couldn't be in like a two hour, 10 minute movie or something. Because I feel like there's things that were repeated to an extent in the theatrical cut that you probably could have condensed and still had basically the same experience while being able to fit in more of the other storylines

that were missing. I feel that way too, but I think what the studio thought anyway was people preferred the stuff with the kids, and Alfredo. Kids are cute. Yeah, kids are cute, kids sell. And all that stuff is more mystical

and fun than the last act, which is pretty depressing. Yeah, that's the stuff most people connect to in the film. Yeah, it is more marketable, that's for sure. Yeah, and that's why I think they went with it. And I understand it, and I think it's a faster-paced, slightly more entertaining movie, but the director's cut is a better film in that it elaborates on those parts. a little more.

Thematically makes more sense. It's deeper. I can see that. I really did like what it was going for. And I love the score from Ennio Moricone. I don't know how to pronounce this name. Ennio Maricone. He's great.

Didn't even win an Oscar until hateful eight or something. Right. Yeah, what did you think, Alex? I did really like it. I can't say I loved it. Maybe I will if I watched the extended version. it sort of kept really winning me and then really losing me. But in ways like what you were saying with how there are just things here and there that are like,

why are you spending so much time on little things like this to the point where it almost feels a bit self-indulgent just because like, yeah, I get it. Cinema's awesome. But I want to see more directly how this affects the main character as opposed to just like random people in the audience just like crying for ages. And like the, it's supposed to be like a comedic, you know, sort of intent. And it is funny to a certain degree, but with how long the film is, I would have liked, as you say, like in the extended one, for there to be more for the main characters development than on little details like that. Did you guys have this shoot with the scenes where they were like watching the films?

I never felt as though any particular scene was too long, but I did feel as though they showed the same scene too many times, if that makes sense. Like we got really nice scenes that were great, but then they kind of just showed like, different variations of the same scene that didn't really add as much to it as I was hoping. The scenes themselves are great, but, you know, when you only, when you show them too many times, it's like, hmm, you could probably fit some other, like, it had me wondering about, like, what was missing from the director's cut and how it could be fit in there. Yeah, it, like, had its priorities in a certain, like, stack that, just for my preference, I didn't always prefer, like, for example, I, I, like, I, like, I, like, I, like, I, like,

I kept waiting for there to be more elaboration on the... We are on spoilers, obviously. The guy goes blind. I was hoping there'd be a bit more development between him and the kid, just to sort of explain why he's so infatuated with this little boy. Like I thought for sure they were going to reveal, like, oh, he lost a kid or something or had a kid that, like, maybe died in a war or something like that. I like that they didn't go that way.

I just thought his Alfredo never really had a life. He was kind of trapped in this projection. booth his whole life and he wanted this kid to just be better than him. All this kid wanted to be was him and Alfredo knew this is not a good life. I just want this kid to get the fuck out of here. And again, going back to the director's cut, there's a gift that Alfredo gives him for the end, which is like the old pieces of film that were stripped away by the priest, which is the whole thing we're going to talk about.

But it's more elaborated. Yeah, it is. but it's more elaborated on in the director's cut and there's more of a punch to that finale because there's more like build up and to that. I really did love how that was incorporated. I thought that that was really clever. Yeah, it was a very powerful moment.

Initially it serves its purpose as just kind of like a commentary on religious censorship and then it becomes a lot more. And it also really influences how, you know, the kissing scenes between the actual main character and his love in the film like it it really makes that more impactful too I think that it's really really clever in how it's presented well yeah I didn't expect that

from the movie just how much there would be to it in terms of like all the different thematic threads that are going on like the coming of age story like these religious elements like the war elements like there's a lot going on in the movie loads of different like character motivations and like time periods and time jumps like there's a lot to deconstruct and I

I have found the longer it's gone since watching it, and more thinking about it, it has gotten better to me. And I do see, especially why you Ralph, like, really adore it, because it is this,

like, celebration of cinema as well. That's in there, obviously. It's a huge element in the same way it is in the films, like, reminded me of Hugo a bit or, or,

um, In Inglorious Bastards with, where the main character's kind of using cinema to overcome, like, and get revenge and, you know, that kind of thing.

Yeah. And film rails catching on fire. Right. It definitely reminded me of both of those movies. Yeah, exactly. I love the technical aspects to this film are great. I think it looks great. The sets, especially the cinema of Paradiso set, both of them, because there's a before and after it burns down.

Yeah, both of those are excellent and they're so big and they feel so real and like those seats have been sat in a thousand times. It's fantastic, like the level of authenticity. Yeah, it does have great production design. Like, that's awesome for sure. It reminded me of, there was a movie I watched for my 2007 list called To Each His Own Cinema, and it was basically like this weird movie that screened at Cannes where I think that each director had five minutes to make a short film. And it has a bunch of big name directors on it. It's got David Lynch.

It's got Cohen Brothers. It's got Iniaritu, like a bunch of names. And it kind of goes along the same theme of like, okay, this is, you're basically making a short film explaining your love for cinema or showcasing it in a way. And although that film had, you know, a few good ones, like I feel like they didn't really communicate that feeling as well as this movie did. I feel like this movie did a much better job. Sure, it had a lot longer to do it, but even like a five-minute version of this movie cinema parody, so would have serviced better than most of the films in that, in that, in that.

short film compilation basically so I think I think that in terms of like communicating like a love and appreciation for cinema this is one of the best movies for that yeah I also like there's a separation of class within the theater there's like the mezzanine with like the rich people and they kind of spit on the the poor people who sit on like literally like pull out chairs and stools and some of them are like fucking like downstairs smoking cigarettes it's great I thought all that's stuff was so funny. That's why I didn't mind the theater scenes at all. Even though they were a little indulgent, I just thought those characters were so funny. And when you see them at the end and the theater burns down, or the theater is taken down because they're replacing it with a parking

lot or something, it's sad. It's very sad to see these people who were having these great times at this theater just like, you know, logging. That's what I really liked about the movie, was how sort of unflinching it was with, it is, it could ease, you could see how incredibly over-the-top smaltzy this could be but they don't hold back with scenes or like they show kids like getting smacked hardcore by their mums yeah there's like actually

it's a very accurate period piece to like Italy yeah kids are a huge and class yeah the kid's fucking beating the shit out of it's great and that helps to ground everything and enhances the comedy because you really believe what's going on so having like these weird

quirky characters like that guy who claims to own the square or whatever the homeless guy who'd like come in and like push people and shove them and scream and stuff. There's lots of screaming in the movie. It just makes it just feel way more natural. Yeah, that was a real big takeaway for me. There's a lot about like the repression of sexuality in this movie too. I think it's a little more present in the director's cut again because there's like a whole sex scene with the with the girl.

And then he says, well, she says you're a bull now and then he kills a bull. I don't think that's in the theatrical cut. Yeah, it's not in the... He kills the ball in a theatrical cut, but there wasn't the scene prior. Yeah, but they don't... Yeah, not the sex scene. Right, and it completely removes the impact of that shot

because it doesn't have that scene before it. Right. Okay, yeah. So, it's... That's a whole thing. Again, I get why they cut it out of the movie because you want to watch a movie about this fun kid in the cinema. You don't want to watch a movie about the impression of sexuality in Italy

in the 1940s. But I do still feel as though everything in the theatrical cut could be thoroughly communicated while also very likely bringing in what was missing from the director's cut. Again, no scene was too long, but there were too many of those

scenes. This is the only issue. This scene would start and then end and it would be like, oh, that was awesome. But then they would just do like slight variations of basically the same thing and just add like tiny little things each time to the point where it was like, oh, well,

you know, what was communicated in an hour could have been communicated in, I don't know, 40 minutes, 45, something like that. Yeah. Like, I still feel like there was... That's basically what I was trying to say. A good amount of room to put whatever you wanted in. Like, what was cut out of the director's cut

didn't necessarily need to be, I think. Yeah, I agree. But I understand why. I think the strongest thing about this film, after all that we talked about, is the relationship between Toto and Alfredo. That felt very strong to me, and I really connected with that a lot. It's really dark as well.

Yeah, it is. Mimo Pintacuda is the guy Alfredo was based on. He's a projectionist who actually taught that actor how to use film projectors for the movie. He died like five years ago. But it's a real, it's basically a real guy. He based that character on. That's cool. I just thought that was fun.

And the kid actor was great, too. Yeah, yeah, he didn't bug me at all, really. No, it was very funny. Very, very cute, very mischievous or whatever. There was a great dynamic between him and Alfredo that was really thoroughly present, like, from the moment that they start interacting. It's like, okay, yeah, I get this movie. I see why people like it. Just the dynamic between those characters is very watchable.

Every scene with them is great. Even Toto with his friends, like his normal kid friends, they actually actually, they actually to like real kids and they're mischievous, like he said. They're smoking cigarettes and they like freak out when they see a girl on screen. That was funny too. That's a great scene, yeah. Yeah, it is really just like a love letter to like cinema and Italy and like nostalgia, sentimentality, you know, like there's a lot of these themes that are in the film that,

you know, you can tell that it's coming from a good place. place and a genuine place. Mm-hmm. But it's all balanced really well, and it's not, like, forced or pretentious, like, the last film we talked about, Southland Tales, which was also juggling a lot of different themes.

Yeah. Didn't work. That's because this is focused on a single character in his journey through life and how he's different at the end than he is at the beginning. Because that's what really ties it together is that scene at the end,

the sort of last act, where he is an adult looking back on his past, like a nostalgic sort of view. We see the same thing. exact footage, but it has a whole new meaning. And that's what's so powerful about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's certainly not a forgettable movie.

It's certainly one that, you know, left an impression. And I would definitely be willing to see the director's cut. But I do kind of wish that there was a more strategic cut in terms of just like how many scenes existed or like how many of the same similar scenes existed. I just watched the new Apocalypse Now Cut. So something kind of like that where it's like halfway between the theatrical and the redux. Like there's somewhere in between that you can get. No, I agree with you.

That's exactly my thoughts too. Yeah. To compare, the third act in the director's cut is 18 minutes, like 18 and a half minutes. And then the director's cut is 47 minutes. Wow. Like that whole last chunk with him as an adult. Okay, so that's most of it. like the end then. Yeah. Right. It's that.

Okay. Do they explore more more into the main characters kind of regrets or anything? Because there's that brief scene that's really good where he's talking to his mother about how he does feel like he regrets and feels like he abandoned them. And that sort of thing is all that sort of delved

into a bit more? Because that's really interesting. You see more of like his time in war, like how he got discharged at the war and came back. Yeah. More of that stuff as well. I love how they were eating salad out of a cactus That was nice Yeah

Yeah yeah yeah There's a lot of really like kind of Like quirky personal scenes in there That it doesn't feel so out of place But it does feel like weird and kind of unique Yeah the tone of it is very light So it worked One of my favorite shots is like

When he's like stalking the girl outside Waiting outside for her And then he walks down the street at night And there's like fireworks and people throwing dishes And everything because it's New Year's That was like really impressive of like the coordination of all that and all that's practical I'm guessing I love how the the word for the end is fine yeah yeah the only in all cats fine that's funny that's funny to me

I know finet yeah but fine is yeah the movie was fine I the only one moment where I was kind of like Hmm, in the movie was when Alfredo was on fire and his legs were like getting burnt to a crisp and then he passes out and then his legs are like not on fire anymore. Yeah, I thought that character's done full. Yeah, that was weird. I was like, how did your legs stop being on fire? But it didn't like ruin the movie for me or anything. Right. You don't want the kid pulling him down by legs that are on fire.

So yeah I think my the The score is probably One of the strongest aspects for me I really loved the music And I know he's done tons of Italian movies But I guess I'm a little less familiar with Older Italian movies

Especially like I've seen a few Italian movies Most of them are more recent And so I think there's elements Not only I guess in film But also probably culturally that if I was more familiar with them, then this film would probably connect with me on a deeper level. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Not to say it didn't connect with me, but there's definitely something. Well, we talked about like Happy as Lazaro before on this podcast, and that was like an Italian movie, and that was very similar to this. Yeah, it reminded me. It kind of has similar themes as that of growing up and, you know, longing for the past. Mm-hmm. So what would you guys rate it?

Yeah, I'm pretty much on the same lines as Adam, I think by the ways you described that you basically plucked that from my brain, like the exact feeling I was like it's hard to put like a finger on some of the things like you perceive that don't work in terms of things like

how long it feels at points but yeah it did just push and pull me all the way through and it wasn't until the last act with the scene where he is watching that reel whereas like okay no this really does like kind of connect with me on an emotional level which kind of elevates it for me. So

yeah I think I reckon four stars out of five and it's definitely one I don't want to rush back to revisit anytime soon but I feel like when I do in the future I'll need to jump into the extended director's cut and I'm sure I'll get more out of it then too this is one of those movies there's a lot going on there's a lot to break down even down to like a weird detail I noticed about just how some of the jokes were written were really funny to me in terms of like one of the punchlines is that there's a character whose parents are communist or something and that's the punchline

just because it was released in the 80s like in the Cold War I really enjoy little things like that yeah but he's moving away and he can't hug the kid he's like my dance is your communist yeah and that was the punch sign that was really cute to me it is a cute movie

it's it's quaint and nice and it has a little bit more going on than then just being like a heartfelt sort of love letter It does throw interesting ideas in there. Like, they directly address at one point how the blind guy says how he thinks the kissing scenes go on too long or whatever. And then there's like a really long kissing scene later in the movie that's like the exact same thing. Like it's just a clever film overall that, yeah, I'd really recommend.

And I can totally see why you love it the way you do. Very similar. There's a lot I love about it. It did connect with me emotionally. But I feel as though a more thorough understanding of what the film is as a whole will likely contribute to me enjoying it more the next time I see it. Again, not rushing back to see it, but it is something I'll definitely see again. Probably, I mean, I have both cuts on the Blu-ray, so I'll probably watch the director's cut next time. I'd like to see the differences.

There's a lot about it that is very natural, very funny. Again, loved the abusive teacher scene. I think everybody's boomer parents talk about how like, oh yeah, your teachers were just allowed to beat the children in the schools and that was our experience. So I love that it just captures

that kind of thing. There's a lot of personality to it and I really enjoyed it. I would give it right now like I don't know if you guys have noticed this about me but I'm much more comfortable giving a low rating and then bring it up higher later than I am giving it too high

and then maybe bring it down. But right now I'm giving it a high seven closer to an eight than a six and I'd imagine it'll go up to an eight later cool nice but you row so I thought it was great obviously I give it five stars yeah I've seen it many times I think both cuts are pretty terrific to compare Roger Ebert gave the director's cut four stars and the theatrical cut three stars so I guess it made a big difference for him but yeah like everything you guys said, I thought the relationship between those main two were great.

I love how it pays homage to cinema. It's really well made. It's very funny. It's just a great movie. So, yeah, highly recommend it. If you haven't watched it, if you've listened to this whole discussion, and you still haven't watched it, please do. I love

when the children tied the guy's shoes together. I was like, he could have died. Or when they broke in his fucking neck. That was pretty funny, too. They put a fly in his mouth. Oh, yeah, yeah. That guy's sitting like... He's like chugging on it.

And they're just laughing at it. Yeah. Little rascals. Yeah. All right. Time for some questions. Let's do it. We got lots of good questions this week from the Sardonacast Reddit, where you can leave

your own questions if you'd like. Head over to the suggestions thread, which is normally pinned at the top by Ralph. Okay, let's start with one that I can't believe we haven't answered before from Joshua 6 who says, who's your favorite actor or an actress? I don't think we've ever answered that before. I got a few. Somehow. Tilda Swinton's one of my favorites. Walking Phoenix, one of my favorites.

Like those are the two I think of in terms of like, I guess, male and female actors that, uh, John. out of my mind right away so I would say Daniel de Lewis yeah he's up there's great Robert De Niro although as a person he's like shy and says some stupid shit he as an actor he's pretty fantastic and he's been a lot of my favorite movies so and he's Italian yeah yeah I'm up on the wall in the pizzeria yeah I knew that the answers were going to be like Daniel day Lewis and stuff like that so I was like You know who I really respect more than your Daniel Day Lewis's and Tom Hanks or whoever. So he's like character actors who elevate every movie they're in.

But they don't get the limelight in the same way. And I've got a couple favorites. Yeah, exactly. God, Michael Stilberg, is that you say it? Yeah. He's a great actor. He was the lead in that Coen Brothers movie, A Serious Man. Oh, yeah, he's great.

He's shown up in a bunch of different movies. And every time he's in anything, it really just improves it a lot for me. Like, even in films that suck, he's always like, yeah, you were good. Like in Men and Black 3, that film's not good. But he's like that, he's the best part of it. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, and that's what makes him a really great actor. He's in Warwick Empire, he plays Arnold Rothstein.

He's great in that. He's in shape of water, the Russian spy. That's the thing. He has so much range, too. He goes from Russians to New Yorkers. to aliens, to British people. It's crazy. He's very good.

That's a part of a weird problem where if someone is too good at being a character actor, then people don't recognize them from film to film. And then they're not as much of a celebrity name actor. And so they just don't get paid as much as someone like, you know, I guess the rock just gets paid, playing the same character. Or they're in like challenging films where they play disturbed or challenging characters, I guess. And Hollywood doesn't like that image of them out. there they'd rather have a clean slate like Dwayne Johnson you know just a guy who's

always been friendly and family oriented all that shit so it sucks yeah I have another one of the same line kind of has that oh yeah Seymour Hoffman oh yeah Philip Seymour Hoffman's for sure one of my favorites that's an obvious answer I miss him but on that same line there was a guy David Thuleis he's in he's been in all sorts of stuff I could be just totally butchering his name but he's he's the main voice in Anomalisa. He's also one of those similar actors. He's just in all sorts of stuff and I really like him.

What else has he been in? Most people know him from Harry Potter. He has a brief scene in the Big Lobowski. Yeah, he's been in all sorts. Even in some cartoons and stuff, he's done voices. He's got one of those

I and DBSs where if you open it, it's just huge chunks. He's been in so much stuff. When you say main voice, do you mean main character? in Anomalisa Sorry Being a voice actor

No not like a main character But like You know Recurring characters and whatnot and stuff No like who was he in Anomalisa I might be getting confused Oh he was the main character Okay yeah when you said main voice

I thought you meant All the voices I forget that case No no no no no yeah Yeah yeah I realized why that's confusing Okay Yeah No yeah he was the main character

Yeah Okay I just wanted to say As a comedic actor I think Sasha Baron Cohen Is one of my favorites He has an ability to stay in character, even when he's doing the fucking craziest shit,

that I don't think I've seen anyone else be able to, like, pull off. Literally going to, like, Israel dressed in a gay, like, parody outfit. No fear at all. Committed. And I respect that a lot. I would say Rachel Weiss for female actors. Yeah, I think Rachel Weiss is excellent. Emma Stone has come into, you know, from high regard now, too.

Birdman and. the favorite she's really good la la land yeah yeah i think kate winslet has been good for sure eternal sunshine and spotless mind she's the best actor in titanic she's way better than leo in that would you say natalie portman for i love natalie portman actually yeah she's awesome she's been a lot of good stuff yeah she she she wasn't she hasn't been convincing in every single role in brothers i was like you're not a mom i'm sorry and she didn't have much to work with uh but in the right role, she needs like a good supportive

director to be there to work off of, in a lot of cases. And Aronovsky. But when she has that, she's like, fantastic. Kate Blanchett is also really great. Yeah, she's awesome. I can't say this guy's name, but he's in so many great movies.

Chouettelle Etia for? Yeah, the guy in 12 years of slave. He's awesome. And children of men, he's fantastic. He's like the villain in that. Yeah. You know who really surprised me? He's in Lion King. Is another actor from 12 years of slave? Lupita Njongo?

She's fucking awesome. I had no idea how much range she had until I saw her in us. She's the best part of us. Yeah, that was insane. She stole the whole movie. I think we covered that one pretty well. PT Elite has one for us.

It's written in all caps, so I'm not going to scream it for your ears sake. but please for God's sake ninth episode I've asked in a row what are your favorite food slash snacks to eat while watching a movie love you boys make a nice hot cup of chocolate chocolate bar

hot chocolate ice cream interesting anything chocolate wow just chocolate right oh I mean like I guess when I'm watching TV at home or like watching movie at home yeah anything chocolate in the theater I don't know milk duds

and nachos What's a milk done? A milk does like a chocolate with a little, like, I think, something in the middle. Yeah, it's like milk chocolate, and it's kind of like... It's like a chocolate bar. Yeah, but they're like little... They're like little Hershey's Kisses almost. They're like junior mints, kind of, except not mince.

I don't know what a junior mint is. Oh, my God. You know in Seinfeld where he loses a junior mint? Biscuit Isle. Do you know what a jaffa cake is? Oh, not. A jaffa cake. We're back here.

Yonzcast. I watch Jaws cast all the time. And he fucking, Honeydew always talked about fucking those things. Jaffa cakes were his favorite. Jaffa cakes, Jammuzziers, Double deckers, wine gums, flanks, lion bars.

I love wine gans. No. Have you guys had like Twinkies or any of that shit? I've had a Twinkie before and it was rubbish. I had a lion bar for the first time when I was in an airport in can. Well, not it wasn't a can. airport. Oh yeah. On my way to can. Yeah. And I discovered it there. I was like, there's a lion on this one.

I'll take it. Do you guys have rock? What? We've got the rock. Is it spelled like rock or R-C-K? Is it like some clever? So it's not even clever spelling. It's just from rock. Okay. You don't have rock over there? It's like, it's the fucking awful. I hate rock. It's like, it's like an actual. stick. Like, imagine a stereotypical kind of stick you'd throw for a dog to fetch. It's like a stick of pure sugar, effectively. Like a lollipop, but in a stick form without any other way to hold it. It's just wrapped up in plastic and you just suck on it.

Oh, okay. My favorite chocolate bar is coffee crisp, which I think is only in Canada, even though it's from Nestle. But it's delicious. I love Hershey's. Hershey's is the best. And they got a little. factory in Philadelphia with an amusement park. Not Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Do you guys have Big Turk? No.

It's a really, really polarizing chocolate bar where it's like basically kind of like strawberry jam gelatin in chocolate. That sounds gross. I know, it's gross to a lot of people. I'm not into like stuff in the chocolate bar. Maybe some nuts. That's it.

I guess my favorite... I realize that could be interpreted. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. Whatever. I saw the opportunity. I didn't take it. Yeah, I figured you saw the opportunity.

Yeah, things that I snack on during movies most of the time would be usually, like, there's this really good popcorn called boom chica pop that they have, every time I go to the States, I only see, like, the most high-calorie sugar-infested flavors. but in Canada you can find the like sea salt one and it's like actually super low calorie and healthy and taste delicious doesn't go stale it just like you just keep it in a bag it doesn't even have to be like heated up or anything they just sell them like already popped popcorn it's delicious I usually that or like there's a chip called popcorners which is like chips made out of popped corn if that makes sense those are also really

good and pretty, you know, relatively low calorie compared to other snack food. And then other than that, I guess, just booze drinks. Do you ever actually bother, like, paying for anything, though, an actual theater? I find out, I've only done it, like, twice in my life. Like, I just can't. I usually bring stuff in. Yeah. I usually bring in the water.

Yeah. If it's hot food. Although now they have, like, the theaters where you can sit down and a wicket. waiter comes over, there's a table. It's like, what the fuck is this? You can get a gourmet chicken sandwich. If I'm going to go to the Alamo draft house, I'm probably going to get food from there because it's really good food.

Yeah, it's good, though. But at the Canadian equivalent, which is like the Cineplex VIP theater, their food sucks, their cocktails suck. Like, if you want to drink there, you got to order something familiar that's, like, off-menu. You got to get, like, gin and soda or something. Because if you get a cocktail from their menu, it's just like the most sugar-infested,

like disgusting syrupy drink, all their food's garbage. So it's like, oh, they serve food at the theater, but I usually meet up with friends to do food somewhere else before the movie. Yeah, because it's a movie theater. They're not good at that. That's not good job.

Alamo Draft House seems to be great at it. Yeah, Alamo's, of course, I guess because the owner knows that he wants his customers have a great experience. He probably puts a lot of time and effort into making shirts of quality. And not every theater can do that because you need a really dedicated owner.

Yeah. Disney's taken all your money away. Why would you even give a fuck about giving a good cocktail? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, depends. Depends on the movie. It's like pizza. I watched Spider-Man 2 and we ordered pizza

and we ate it when he said pizza time. I like, I did at Google, search, I was like, how far into the movie does he say pizza time? And we timed it. Did it come right up? We had the pizza slightly before, but then we just we held off from eating it until

he said the line and then we all shed a pizza time and we all eat pizza. Sometimes I like like sort of themed meals or drinks for movies. There were a couple movies in Rosemary's baby. They make a

drink. Fuck, what was a called anyway the characters make a drink and I was like I'm gonna make that drink and I look up on Wikipedia I'm like what are the ingredients and then I make the drink and I come back and finish the rest of the movie and then on the same same thing with the zodiac from David Fincher the Jake Jelen Hall's like oh this is an aqua velva oh yeah I was like I'm gonna make an aqua velva and I just had the ingredients and sometimes I just do that did you try that drink the dude always drinks in the Big Lebowski. Oh, what?

Does he drink? Oh, yeah, I've had tons of white Russians. That's an easy one. They're pretty gross. I like them. I don't like white Russians. Not my thing. Maybe you need a better bartender.

Yeah, maybe. Maybe I haven't had. Maybe the dude needs to make me one. All right. Now, I'm just hungry. Thanks, guys. No problem. Yeah, I guess popcorn, too.

I didn't even mention. Just normal popcorn. Yeah. Some places make it better than others. still. Yeah. Some places have really gross popcorn. It's like, I don't know.

Yeah, we don't have that butter thing. I don't know if you do it in Canada, where they literally want poor butter on it. It's optional. I mean, it's an extra charge. Isn't it like, can you use your hands really? The butter is just like. Yeah, you just get a lot of napkins.

Yeah, you're smart. Yeah, you pour it and then you kind of mush around. You wipe it on your fucking pants like a monster. Yeah, that's what I do. Is it actually nice? I've never even had the option to try. I mean, if you like butter... What is the butter, though?

It's butter. It's butter. It's liquidified butter, and it comes out of a little nozzle, and you push it. And then you shake the popcorn around, so it kind of mixes in around a little bit. And then you eat out of that. I don't put a lot, but I guess if someone would put like a fuck ton of butter on it, then yeah, their hands would be all greasy and disgusting. They just wipe it on the chair. I don't know the option here.

On the armrest. Yeah. Weird. They don't even give you that option in the UK. That's crazy. Not where I am. Yeah. I haven't seen it.

Yeah, there's a lot of... I've looked for it. A lot of weird differences like that. It seems like North America, especially the United States, is like a consumerist's wet dream in that sense. Yeah. We'll give you whatever you want.

Yeah. Super Size me. Yeah. Although New York City, it was a few years ago, they like ban Big Gulp sodas. because they just thought they were They were already like 50 liters or some shit

Like you guys Your guys as small as like A large anywhere else Yeah Way better So I don't know When you're facing an obesity crisis I don't think it's that unreasonable

But why should you limit What people want to buy If people want to buy big gulfs of soda Why shouldn't they This is true It all comes down to personal responsibility Right You should be responsible enough to have one big golf soda every once in a while for fun.

When you go see a movie. Yeah. I don't think it should be banned, but taxing it might not be a bad idea to just, like, decentivize. Yeah, they do that here, actually. Like a year or two ago, they introduced the sugar tax or something just for sugary drinks. So they cost not much more, but they do cost more than the zero sugar ones or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

If there's an incentive. You know, if the cheaper option is the healthier option, then more. people might choose the healthier option. Yeah. But yeah, in America, it's so fucking hard to avoid. Because like I said, like with that popcorn, like, I can find every flavor but the low calorie one. In America, whenever I go to any store in America, it's like, oh, same brand of popcorn, but it's just like chocolate, caramel corn, like all that shit.

Like, where's the normal salt flavor? Well, it seems like every store I've been to, it's like you can't find it. If I went to like a whole food, maybe. In California, there's a huge. push for like healthy food and even in California can't find the normal flavor even California there's excessiveness but it's more of a cultural thing where now people are more aware that we're the most obese nation

in the world and we're trying to eat healthier cut down on the meat we eat because cows and the farming whatever so we do our best not getting rid of the big gulps though I don't think you are the most obese nation on the world though I think I saw some documentary we're one of the most yeah we used to be anyway we used to is catching up pretty quick.

Yeah. I think it's just part of like, you know, a capitalist society when you make one that's bound to happen eventually. It's just this like excessive consuming of the same product to a point. I mean, it's happening with films too, to where it's just a ridiculous excessive amount. We're addicted to it, man. Uh-huh. Yeah.

It's just, it's going to happen to everybody. Yeah. We're all going to be fat. It's going to be like Wally. Yeah. I love it. mobility scooters for Walmart. It might be right, to be honest.

Pretty nice and Wally. Pretty nice life. Yeah. Nice life. Everyone's healthy because of the medicine, so you can just eat as much as you want and be fat. Robots driving for you. Yeah.

What a funny concept. Yeah. That's when Pixar made funny, original great films. That was the last one. Yeah. Debatively. Was it up? Up had its moments.

Up was great. Up had its moments. I've had a good first opening scene and then the rest of it was meh well I disagree but that's fine talk about up one day yeah we could go through every Pixar movie one day yeah we've probably seen we were probably all seen the majority of them already yeah the only one I haven't seen is good dinosaur oh you should watch I don't want to see yeah next question I want to keep cars too is my worst Pixar movie.

No, it is for sure. Ravens Leia has a good one for us. Have any of you changed your mind on a movie based off the Sardonicardous discussion? Don't know about you guys, but it has for me. Yeah? What's your go-to example for that? The biggest one was, what's it called?

Gend Delman? Jean-Hen? Yes. Nice. Watching a movie. Yeah. Cleaning the top movie. Like, I was really annoyed

after watching that movie. and you guys help me calm down and see the light a bit more. That's good. Well, because it's a frustrating movie to sit through. Yeah. Well, yeah, you need to talk about it to someone for it to leave your head in that way. Exactly. You start to appreciate it.

It's a very inaccessible film for like any kind of normal audience. It's like you don't put that on to watch a movie. You put that on to talk about the movie you watched. challenge yourself almost. Right. You're viewing a piece of art, kind of just like, examining a painting almost in the same way. Yeah, might not be entertaining in that same way.

Yeah, I've changed my mind. You've helped me see different perspectives on films, for sure. I'll see you. I'm trying to think of an example, but... I can't say I've ever had, like, my perspective flipped or anything, but I've definitely, you know, one of the more valuable things to me about this, podcast especially is being able to understand a perspective that I might either entirely or only

slightly disagree with. It really helps to get somebody else that is able to articulate why they enjoy something more or dislike it more. Yeah, I guess that's more what I mean. I've never done a 180 where I completely change my mind. But hearing other people talk about it, it lets me appreciate the film more on other levels. Yeah, I was actually looking through all of the recommended films because I've got like a list going on letterboxed of like my ranking of favorite ones or whatever. And there's like a really vast array of different types of movies of like all shapes and sizes. It's like a really cool kind of. Madagascar.

Yeah, of course. You go from John Dealman. Same podcast. I don't think anybody's ever done that. Yeah. Ben and Arthur. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got like, climax and the Holy Mountain and then Xavier Renegate Angel. Yeah. Some TV shows.

Yeah. Southland Tales. Oh, shit. Oh, God. Cloverfield Paradox. Oh, yeah. Oh, I need to add that one, I guess. I suppose that counts as the first one.

That was the first one. That was a giant piece of crap. To act as a launch pad for us. What a fucking film. Well, we all saw it. Thanks, JJ. We made a movie so bad you started a podcast. Yeah, it's a fault.

All right. Pirate Disco King, YT, has an interesting one for us. How much does completion matter to a review? Do you have to finish a film to have an informed opinion on it? Or is it, sorry, or is an inability to finish something a legitimate criticism? What about if you're playing a long game or watching a long game, or watching a long TV series, what about a game with difficult mechanics or a story with difficult

subject matter? So basically do you have to finish it to have an informed opinion, I guess? I think in almost every single case, yes. With some exceptions, yeah, sure, but I think in most cases, how can you

have an opinion on something you didn't see in its entirety? Well, that's why I find it the most difficult to rate television shows, because I'm not rating a season from the show. And it's like, When I think of the Simpsons, I don't think of everything past the good points of the Simpsons. You know, so it's like, what is the series? Like, that's still a part of the series.

Is most of it bad? Yeah. What? How did that happen? It's like one of my favorite shows. So I would say for, like, movies and games, it's, it is important to be able to experience the entirety of it. You don't have to get every single achievement on a game, but at least experience, you know, to the end credits. or something. For movies, I don't really make any published reviews of things that I haven't finished,

but sometimes I rate them on IMDB. In fact, I think I pretty much always rate them on IMDB. If let's say I don't make it through the whole movie, I'll just rate it like a neutral five. Because IMDB doesn't have an option for, you know, I've seen this sort of thing. And I don't want to like accidentally forget about it somehow makes it onto my watch list. again, try watching it again and being like, oh, wait, I've already seen this. This is a waste of time. Sort of thing. Yeah, like there was one movie from Cannes that I didn't finish all the way through, but it wasn't because I, like, I wasn't able to finish it. It was because I had a movie the next day that I had to wake up for really early, the new Terrence Malick, and it's like three hours long.

And like, it was already late at night. I was like, I need to get some sleep. And this movie's fine, but it's not worth sitting another hour through just to ruin my. experience for a three-hour long art film the next morning really early. So that was the one I didn't review. And even though I have opinions on the first half of the movie, it's like I probably, it just doesn't seem like a good idea to throw a review out there for something you haven't finished. Yeah.

It also depends on the sort of context on the way you're talking about it because it's not invalid to say, yeah, I tried to watch blank and I got an hour in and it really wasn't doing anything for me. So I turned it off. Like, I don't think that's inherently invalid just because you didn't get to the end. Like, what you saw is, and what you made of it is relatively fair. But it's, it becomes an issue when you have, like, it happened, like, maybe a year ago or something. But it was like an IGN review that was revealed to be completely plagiarized, like, from someone else's review.

Oh, hilarious. And they haven't even played it. Oh, no. What game? IGN. It might have been dead cells. Yeah, I think I remember hearing about that. That could be wrong.

Wow. Yeah. Obviously, that is when. things like that become a huge issue. Just be honest, really, at the end of it. Like, if you're just honest and say, yeah, this really wasn't connecting with me, I couldn't make it to the end. And that was never my intention, like, to lie or anything.

I think people get it because everyone has experiences like that. Like, sometimes you just, you just really can't be bothered. And you've got to choose your time wisely. Yeah, if you're honest about it, depending on, like, how much of, I guess, an authoritative position you're trying to take on the film also. Yeah, definitely. If you really want to make a point that it's shit, then you should probably finish it. Right.

That's why I usually finish films, because I want to have an opinion on it, and I'm already sitting there, and it's something to do. So I usually finish the film. But if there's a movie, that's just so, like a Ben and Arthur type movie, if you want to shut that off, 10, 15 minutes in, that's understandable, because it barely even counts as a film, like, just watching it. You know, I'm not going to blame someone for having an opinion on that, that it's shit. Because they're right.

Yeah. When Adam made his video on Old Boy, obviously he had to sit down and properly deconstruct that movie by watching it to its end probably multiple times to make that possible. Otherwise, the video wouldn't ring true. But if I on this podcast was like, yeah, I tried watching that Old Boy remake but turned it off after 30 minutes because it was so shit. I don't think anyone's really going to get annoyed by that.

Right. You're not missing anything. There's a movie I watched recently. That was fucking awesome called One Cut of the Dead. And if you stopped watching it like halfway through, I would feel like you haven't even seen the movie. Without spoiling anything? It's like you have not seen the movie unless you've finished the movie.

It's one of those where it's like you can not say you've watched the film if you didn't go through with it to the end. because it's not the movie if you didn't they think some TV shows are like that though as well or even games like sometimes games have like just a really bad beginning and the same with movies or TV shows more so that tends to happen where there's just like takes a few episodes to get going sometimes or sometimes the entire first seasons

yeah yeah yeah Simpsons it's always sunny in Philadelphia like these shows don't find their footing until later yeah it depends what kind of a point you're trying to make about it because it's always sunny in Philadelphia you could probably from my understanding like jump in halfway through

and still love it like there's nothing really in rain into the first season that is absolutely necessary to experience before it starts getting much better and like Danny DeVito didn't even join until a while through it right but if it's something like I've made this criticism about other shows

before like Game of Thrones where I was like Okay, well, I couldn't justify watching more than three episodes because I wasn't invested and it's not worth it to me sort of thing. You know, like I feel like I've given it a fair shot, a fair chance, and I'm not trying to say that it doesn't get better because maybe it does. But to me, it wasn't worth, you know, the experience. So it's less of a condemnation of every episode of the show and more just saying it wasn't

worth it for me to get to where it supposedly starts getting good. Yeah. It's always good though. But it didn't grab you in that beginning point. Yeah, exactly. Good question. Yeah. B-Dog 7171 has a good one for us.

Behind the scenes kind of look. What is your note-taking process while watching movies recommended on Sardonicast? I feel like it would be hard to focus on certain movies that have been recommended while taking notes at the same time. He's not wrong. Like some movies like it just feels wrong to note. anything down on, like the Xavier Renegade Angel when we get recommendations

that are a bit out there like that, it's like, I'm not even going to try, I'm just going to let this wash over me, I'm not going to just go from there. Yeah, I have a small notebook when I watch things that you guys recommend to write little notes down for myself. If I'm watching a movie I've seen before that I recommended, I

have my big notebook out and I write very detailed notes on everything I say, because I'd seen it before and it's more about analyzing it. than enjoying it at that point. I have like a notepad application on my phone that I just take point form notes on. And they don't need to be super detailed as long as I can look at the point form note and I know what I want to say about it based on that point form note.

As long as it's understandable from my perspective, then I can talk about it. I don't really feel as though it's too distracting to do that. Maybe also because I watch every one of these with subtle. And so I'm able to still look at the screen of the movie while taking these notes on my phone that are only every like, I don't know, five, ten, sometimes 15 or 20 minutes, depending on the movie. So, you know, even though I'm writing something down, there's both audio and the subtitles of the actual film. And if I feel like I've missed something, then I can always rewind it, I guess, but I don't find it too distracting. Yeah. I usually have five bullet points, and I try to write down five things I like about the movie when it's over. I try to do that, too. Even if the movie's terrible. Just so I have... Yeah. Well, if you like the movie, you name five things you like about it. If you can't do that, then what the fuck did you like about the movie then? So it's a good way to get started.

Do you ever add time codes to your notes when you're doing like your main reviews? Yes. The long form reviews, yeah. You have to almost because it gets hard to keep track. Yeah. Yeah, if there's a specific clip or scene that I want to incorporate in the editing, then for sure. Yeah, I also label each page based on the viewing, because I watch the movies. Like, I try to watch each one five times.

And so it's like page one is the first viewing of notes, and then it gets more and more detailed as it goes along. But you watch every one of them five times. Sometimes, like chips I watched like 12 times. Not even joking. I got to see something I can talk about. I was watching it fucking drunk on camera and everything. There was literally, it's such a bad movie. You're like, okay, I really got to work with this one.

Yeah. It's giving you nothing. It's just so bad. Just going off for 20 minutes about eating ass. I feel like at least twice would be what I would need as like a bare minimum. Yeah. For making like a proper YMS review thing on it. and oftentimes in the editing process,

going through the clips there, there will be something more that I want to add or like a better opportunity for a joke or something or something that I didn't notice before and I can just record another little bit and stick it in, so. Yeah, for sure. And there's still things you miss.

After all that, there's still things that I would like to touch on that I never do in these reviews, but whatever. I never miss. You got to stop. Yeah, you do need to stop at a certain point. or we'll just go on forever and you see comments you're like fuck I could have talked about that

yeah oh yeah like there'll always be like someone with an extra tidbit of perspective that it's like ah man I should have should have included that you know what I actually find has helped is like

now I do pretty much like whenever I'm editing a video so like one of my bigger YMS reviews or something like that I stream the editing process anyway so if there's something that I like if I if I'm

I use the wrong expression. I think in my old boy review, I was like, if I don't say so myself, and it was supposed to be if I do say so myself, and I just didn't know, but then somebody pointed that out in the comments, I'm like, oh, thank you. And I could just go back and re-record that because I'm streaming the editing process. And there's only ever, like, I don't know, 50, 100 people watching. So it doesn't like spoil the whole thing. And obviously, it's an entirely different experience to watch like fragmented three seconds

at a time, stop, edit, pause, whatever. but yeah I feel like that does help kind of like almost crowdsource a little in a way just tiny little things and sometimes people will have like little minor suggestions and I'll be like no because this or hey that's not a bad idea so yeah I did that with the Game of Thrones video because the first part I got so much stuff like facts wrong because Game of Thrones is so complex and like whenever you're talking about it you're just going to get a ton of thing wrong yeah so values of content. The second video, I had to correct all that, and I sent it to like Game of Thrones fans to approve it, to make sure it was good. And then I posted it. And I also have Patreon, which they get to watch it early, and sometimes they point something out, and I get to fix it. The YouTube editor has been really handy for that shit. Oh, really? Yeah, snip it real quick.

It's gone. Do you just take it out? You just full-on take-out stuff like that? Yeah, if it's like a little thing. All right. I didn't even know that's possible. I've never... Yeah.

I've already delved into the YouTube editor. Like if there was something at the end that was unnecessary or, you know, like there was like a bit of black screen or just something that wasn't supposed to be in the video at the end, then, yeah, but that hasn't happened often at all. So. Mm-hmm. Usually I watch it so many times before publishing. I'm really obsessive about it.

Yeah. But you still miss stuff sometimes, or at least I do. You know, it's hilarious? I forget to crop, like, one hundred. shot. Remember in like, I think the first three episodes of the podcast where I said, I've never had a spelling error in my YMS reviews and people were like, we're going to find them

and you never have. I'm sorry. You tried. All of you tried. The entire subreddit was like, we're going to find your spelling errors. Oh, sorry, it didn't happen. Yeah. That's amazing. Meanwhile, nostalgia critic has like 10 whole videos just going through all the spelling errors he made. Yeah. This like nostalgia critic cracks or whatever 10 like top 11 mistakes I made That's funny

Still waiting Watch all my videos Yeah thorough dude One more question Yeah let's do one more From RP 844 If you were to work on a movie What position do you think you would like to have in the crew

Or in Ralph's case Which one would you choose above the rest that you've done And are there any roles you think you would not be good at? You start, Ralph, because you actually have experience. Well, I won't say director or any of that. Something I haven't done. I think I would like to do set design. Like build the sets.

Be on that kind of thing. Or maybe like a gaffer, just setting up the lighting. I've never done that. I usually just tell people to do that. Yeah. But I'd like to, because that sounds fun. and I think I'd be terrible at costume and makeup, which is weird because I like set design, but I don't think I'd be good at dressing or doing makeup on a person.

Right. I think I'd be really bad at that. Yeah, I, um, I, well, I mean, there's, if, if I have an idea or something that I want to express and communicate artistically, then I want to have as much control over it as possible. So, like, I'm kind of a control-free. when it comes to like passion projects of mine, which is why I still edit the YMS reviews, even though the quickies are outsourced at this point.

So, yeah, directing, even though I would, you know, love, especially if I'm starting out, I would love to have kind of like a collaborative directing thing going on. Like I would love to work with somebody else to kind of get my feet off the ground in that sense. Music would be something I would love to supervise, even if I wasn't just creating all of it, by myself from scratch.

You know, the script is obviously something that I would love to have input in, if not having written the whole thing myself. But yeah, I would definitely not want to be acting in any kind of a major role or anything.

Like, I don't, I wouldn't want myself on screen really, because I can't act really well. I think it would be way too distracting, especially if I'm going for like a more serious tone in something. So as much as like, yeah,

you can cut costs by putting yourself in the film. For me, would not work very well. It would not work very well. Even as an extra? You want to make an Alfred Hitchcock cameo where you walk by like in the back? Yeah, well, that's the thing is like if as soon as you're in front of the camera, you don't have as much control behind the camera.

I would love to have a lot of control over how the shots are visually, how they're framed, how they move. I would love to operate a camera. And so being in front of it, it's like I would, that would just be something where, you know, I'd be putting my faith in somebody else to do something, which in a lot of experiences in my life, I don't have a lot of trust or faith in people. Not to say it doesn't exist ever. I mean, this podcast is a collaboration between all three of us, and this is going really well.

But yeah, I mean, it really depends. I'm going to have to just work my way up and introduce bit by bit and try to find the right people to work with and fill in each sort of thing that would be impossible to do myself. Yeah. I don't really have what it takes. I don't think to be like a director or something like that with all the responsibility in the world. I prefer being like a coward basically, being more in the background like a like a like a producer or, you know, an editor or something. Someone who like after most of the the hard part, let's be honest, like it's done.

Then you can you can be the one sit back and be like this bit here is sort of working. This isn't. This is what, you know, and have your opinion be valued by in life. like a sort of producer type way because that's what I've always found so interesting about bad movies to me and why I'm just so obsessed with bad movies because I love breaking down what I think they've done wrong and what they could do to make it better and I feel like being being in a role like that would be like a lot of fun and really challenging and creatively fulfilling to like go in and like so venom too is a piece of poop why is it poop let's see if we can

fix some of this here in there Yeah, that's more in the background kind of stuff. How about pre-production stuff where you're planning out beforehand to make sure it's not shit before you make it? You've spent the whole budget and there's things that you'd have to like reshoot. When it gets to the end of it, it's like, okay, well, is it worth it to do this anymore? Like, I guess we just got to release the movie. Like, that's a lot of the problems. I'm just thinking in terms of like what are you most likely going to be able to start out on?

Yeah. Like, you're going to be on the garbage. Because some of these movies can be garbage. are saved in editing. Yeah. So it does make a difference. Because like you can't just walk in like as and just call yourself a producer and be like, you know what?

No, my ideas are better than yours. And you're like, who are you? No, what cares what you think? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. In the credits, you'll be listed as troll. Yeah.

Guy norm once around who doesn't annoy everyone. Yeah. I would like, I would like to like slowly work my way up into, you know, know, taking on more complicated projects because there are things that you can make with a skeleton crew that makes sense to happen in that way. You know, Shane Carruth is a really good example of that. It really depends on what you're trying to communicate, the story. You have to understand your own limitations before you go into it. You can't be looking to look to make the matrix if you don't have a gigantic crew and millions of dollars of resources, etc. You have to

understand your own limitations and I think that that's important. You can make a good horror movie set in one location. You can make a small scale science fiction movie. Yeah. You can make a short film. You use that to solidify yourself as a competent filmmaker and then perhaps get more of a budget and a bigger crew for your next project. Yeah.

Cool. Is that it? Is it over? Is it done? We made it. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

Those are good questions. Yeah, a good bunch. Who's got to recommend something? I think it's Alex. Oh, it's me, is it? It is. Cool. Well, there is one I've really wanted to do.

But I'm not sure if I should pull the plug on that one yet, because I noticed it's getting like a special release, like in a couple weeks or something. Okay. Too far away, unfortunately. So I'll have to push that one for the future. Sure. let's do show girls

all right yeah I've never seen that I've never seen it I've never seen it I've heard so many stories about it it's an infamous film yeah

by the director of Robocop and what's the bug one called oh the fly oh god no no no Starship Troopers oh yeah Paul Verhoven he's like a

I think he's like an eccentric French guy yeah he loves satire and everything and this is the project where it all went wrong from what I understand

Showgirls, 1995. He was born in the Netherlands. Amsterdam. Oh, okay. Yeah, Europe, whatever. Whatever. We got... Should I watch Saved by the Bell before?

Because it's set in the same universe. Is it? Oh, right. Is it? I don't know. I'm going to be at Toronto Film Festival. Has he confirmed or denied that? I think so.

It might be in the trivia somewhere, don't know? Yeah. But yeah. think that would be interesting. For sure. Always wanted to see it. Okay. I've had a chance.

Yeah. Doing it. What reason? More so. Directed by Paul Verhoven. 16 metascore. Yeah. Can't wait.

Don't watch this one with the family. I guess. It's not a kid. Yeah. It's got some extreme scenes in it. Yeah. All right. Well, if you don't want to be spoiled for show girls,

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