Sardonicast - Sardonicast #43: Aladdin, Showgirls

Episode Date: September 24, 2019

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Three, two, one. Oh, fuck. Gotta do it again. No, leave that in. The anticipation. Three, two, one. Congratulations, congratulations, congratulations. Congratulations, congratulations, congratulations.

Congratulations, congratulations, congratulations. Congratulations, congratulations. Congratulations, congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations! I'm done. Ever seen the Evangelion? No. That's what... I knew it was... it was in the back of my mind. Yeah, I have seen it a long time ago, that's what it was. I haven't, but that clips on YouTube and it's really, really funny.

Uh... Congratulations, Alex, from... I hate everything. You're at 2 million subscribers, probably by the time this video is published. How does it feel? Am I? But I saw on my Reddit though today, they did one of the... There's like sub-surge is whatever and took a few thousand away. So it's like, oh, well. I'm Adam from your movie. Yes, it's cool.

By the way. I forgot to watch. Yeah, I'm Alex from Ralph the movie maker. So, congrats Alex. Yeah, I'm very down. I'm almost halfway. Okay, over there in the USA? Yeah, everything's fine.

I just saw this movie, though. That's really got me down. Oh, really? Yeah, it's called Aladdin. Oh, fuck, I wanted to talk a bit more about the Alex subscriber shit. Yeah, please do. Don't segue. I was a sound.

That's probably why. What else I'd say? Well, you were talking about the sub thing where you lost a bunch of subscribers in one day. I've noticed that on all my channels except my plays through channel, like the stream. one, which is weird that I didn't lose any. Yeah, it seems like really random. What I was going to point out is that stupid fucking thing where YouTube decided that all

subscriber numbers are rounded now for no reason. Yeah. And so I was like, I was looking at the social blade live view count for your channel. And there's no fun anymore. It's just it. Oh, that's what that was.

I was wondering, like, I saw people talking about it, but I didn't quite know what it meant. But that's so stupid. Why? Why take away data? I think that I forget which cluster fuck it was after. It was after one of those like, hey, everybody unsubscribe to this. It might have been like pro-Jarid or whatever, like one of those controversies. And so, you know, a lot of people will set up live streams where it's like, ha-ha, watch his subcount go down or something.

And YouTube's like, we don't want to promote the idea of people enjoying people's subcounts going down. or something. I forget what the excuse was. But it's like, I don't know, couldn't you have an algorithm where it takes longer for you to notice the subcount going down? Like it rounds it going down or it's like daily or something, but you can still see it going up or something? Why do they have to get rid of the whole number?

Yeah, why punish the other side of it? Yeah. Which is what most people use it for. There's so many, so many channels where they would do like a live stream and have the countdown on their page and like throw a big party and celebrate It's like that's done.

Also, you've just like, you've really, you've really hurt Social Blade as a business. Like this entire business that was using that data to survive. And YouTube, this big corporation is just like, I don't care. Could you imagine if it was an individual making that decision? Could you imagine if YouTube was like a person and not a corporation? It was like, yeah, fuck these guys. We're going to take away this data and your business is going to suffer because of it.

It's like, sure. It's really no reason. Yeah. They're roofless, man. Yeah. It's not like they had an obligation to let them do that, but it is still a big dick move. Like, nobody likes this change. Fuck off.

That's just the story with YouTube though, isn't it? Nobody likes this change. It's just been that for years. It's just a lot of bad decisions. This new fucking bullshit pisses me up. Yeah, the new interface they have is pretty terrible. It's awful. I can't wait to be forced to switch.

And I always switch back to the old one. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I always do. And they ask why. And I'm like, I'm fucking everything wrong with it. It's so annoying. They're going to make it mandatory at some point.

There's going to be a point where you can't switch back to the old one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's very annoying. The monetization issues where the bots are flagging videos for being not advertiser-friendly for no reason. Everything. I've had that. You guys have had that.

Shit show. YouTube's a disaster If you want to if you want to be making a living off of YouTube you have to put up with a lot of shit You have to be serious about it There was like those YouTube unions forming I don't know how well that worked out Yeah, there's like YouTube unions like people are getting they're starting to unionize What? YouTube is said that yeah

These are it's like in some other country Youubers no like YouTubers creators creators this is news to me are unionized That's right they're coming together. I don't know how well it's working at this point. I don't know how that's going to work at all. I think YouTube has said, yeah, I don't know how it's going to work at all either. We're not employees.

We're like independent contractors. Yeah. So how does that work? I don't know how that's going to play. What are you talking about? Where's the source? Who said this? I know it's true.

I know it's true. You heard it from a friend of a friend? You can look it up on Gizugel. Or one of those fake movie Googles search. Look it up on those. I'm getting sick. I got a cup of soup It's because of YouTube

They're not paying us enough Making us sick The good news Is that I got I got sick after Tiff And not before it Yeah, how was Tiff? Tiff was fucking awesome

It was great Best movie you saw And then worse Well, I mean the best movie I saw I already saw it can and it was the lighthouse The best movie I saw that I didn't see it can so not including Parasite because I saw that it can

would be the new Noah Bombach marriage story which was really really great and I've never enjoyed one of his films that much before I've always kind of been like yeah it's decent yeah it's pretty good did he make that Adam Sandler movie

the what's it called the Meyerowitz stories is that oh I didn't know Adam Sandler was in it but that title sounds familiar but yeah like marriage story so so fucking good.

Great performances, Scarjo and Adam Driver. And I really hope it gets screenplay at the Oscars, honestly, because I can't think of a better, like, more fleshed out way to tackle that story. It's his best screenplay

since Madagascar 3, I would say. That's what it's ringing about. Oh, you didn't know what the director was until I said Madagascar 3. Until I said he wrote Madagascar 3. Now you know.

Oh, that's so funny. That's the best. Did you see Jojo Rabbit? Yeah, it was good. It was like, it was very crowd-pleasing and fun. It was very enjoyable. It did kind of like drag on a little in the middle, and like not every aspect was amazing.

It was still solid with its production value, but I think like one of the most kind of like irky things about it that I'm sure you guys will feel this way too is there's not consistently throughout but there's parts of it that feel way too derivative of Wes Anderson's style it's like the child's uh get ready for that row child's choir and like just these yeah these like kind of like quirky things that like I don't know it just it felt way to uh ripping off in a way It felt like it wasn't him and then the rest of the movie felt like him Right, okay

Just a couple moments I'm so hyped for it Yeah, one of the best parts of the festival We saw Crazy World The new film from Wakaliwood And They fucking flew in VJ Emmy and the director

Oh, so jealous Yeah, and they, like it happened at the last minute too Like so the guy who programs Midnight Madness, I think his name is Peter Koppowski or something. And so he oversees all of the films that get screened at Midnight Madness at Tiff, which is like this, its own section of like midnight movies.

There's the new like Takashi Mika and like just a bunch of like either gore or horror. The new Nick Cage Color Out of Space was a midnight movie or whatever. Very different crowd and environment before the shows. People are like tossing around beach balls and shit. And like the audience is very interactive. and tons of cheering and very different vibe

from the other kind of screenings at Tith. So he gets them to Canada and I don't know exactly what he did but he wound up getting them like nine year visas that only got approved like the day before the screening pretty much and so they just like

hopped on a plane from Uganda all the way to Canada and they're like yeah we have we're free to travel to Canada for like nine years now if we want. I think it includes even more than Canada.

And so this was their first time in a real movie theater, which is insane and historic. Man, it was just, it was a, it was a great vibe. And it was, uh, I have to explain this because I don't think this will happen any, like, outside of TIF. There was this crazy fucking thing that they did.

Where before the movie, they had this like little skit as part of the movie, basically. It's on the screen. And they have the, uh, They're basically like, we're the piracy police. We're going to make sure you don't pirate this film. And then they cut to like some guy tied up in the slums. Like, it wasn't worth it to download Hobbs and Shaw.

And like, it's just this funny, you know, Aquitaine Hunger Force did the same thing before their movie, basically. And it was just this funny little skit. The movie plays halfway through the movie. They cut from the movie and it's back to the piracy police. And they're like, somebody's watching this movie is a pirated version. And someone's streaming, we can tell, like, they've got this, like, fake little operation or whatever. And then they say to turn the lights up in the theater, and I guess this was planned out beforehand.

So the theater lights go up. And then they literally through the screen of the movie, they tell Peter Koppelsky, the Midnight Madness programmer, to, like, go up to the front and look for whoever's pirating the movie. And so he's, like, looking around, like, pretending like, oh, I don't know who's doing it. And then in the movie on the screen, they have like a fax machine. They're like, oh, we've got the data of who is stealing the movie. And they print out a picture of the TIF Midnight Madness programmer. And then somebody from the side of the stage dressed up as the piracy police drags him off stage. And then VJM is like, it's okay.

He's gone to Somalia now. And it was like, it was the craziest fucking thing. It was like a once at all. lifetime kind of experience. They have such a good sense of humor. Oh, it's so good. It's so heartwarming. It's so funny.

That was definitely like one of those highlight moments for me. This might have been my best tiff. There was a lot of fucking awesome stuff. I got to meet Robert Edgers. I got to meet Bo Burnham. I got to meet Trey Edward Schultz. There were like Q&As for pretty much every movie, except for like the last couple days.

So, like, lots of people I respect. I got to hear them talk. And, yeah, it was a fucking blast. It was awesome. Hung out with Matt Johnson again. Colin from Canada. It was like on the red letter media shit. Yeah.

Awesome stuff. So, yeah, that would be like my highlight moment. Marriage Story would be the best film I saw other than Lighthouse and Parasite. And then the climb was a very surprise, like, awesome movie. I had no idea that was going to be that great. Definitely check out the climb. I'm just going to talk about the ones that I rated 8 or higher, I guess, and skip through everything else.

Just going through my little schedule here. Uncut gems was awesome. I know Ralph, you're excited for that one. Sassy brothers. Yes, yes. Good time I liked better, but still, this was great. Waves, the new Trey Edward Schultz, from the guy that did,

It Comes at Night and Cresia. that was awesome oh nice yeah Lucy in the sky was hilariously bad but I'll talk about that in my quickie um

oh yeah the invisible life of Yuri dez guzmao or however you pronounce it that was awesome that one is that French or no I think it's Portuguese

Portuguese yeah it was that was a I think you would like that movie a lot actually Ralph that seemed like a movie that would click well click well with you

it's a very well well shot. Very great sound design and great performances. It's just, it's a very nice story. Good. All right. I think every other movie I saw was either seven or lower, and I'll just, you guys will just have to wait for my quickies,

because I don't want to take up too much time just talking about TIF, but... Nice. Talking about movies we haven't seen. Yeah, exactly. The Lighthouse is coming out soon, though. Yeah, October, if you guys want to... I'll be seeing it a third time before it's actual release date. I'll be seeing it

Vancouver Film Fest. I don't think it's out until January in the UK. Oh, fuck! I think it's out a little early here, because it's L.A. So, you know, the art house. I could have snag tickets at London Film Festival, but it was a bit too late. So, whet-wha-want. Damn it.

That sucks. You'll get to see it. You think, didn't 824 distribute midsummer pretty evenly? Yeah. So, like, why would they not do that with the lighthouse? I don't know. And this film's got buzz, too. Yeah.

People are talking about the movie. Like, they're missing out. There's like memes on Reddit about the trailer. You didn't get that with Midsummer. People are meming it. That's how you know it's going to be big. People are meming it and it's not out yet. Yeah.

Fuck. What are you doing A24? You piss me off sometimes. I know. Get it together, boys. On the other hand, I can't think of a single other distributor that would distribute a black and white movie with this aspect ratio. Well, yeah, they're making some of the best movies around.

Even if they do a kind of shit job distributing it, it's not like Disney would distribute something like that. It's not like Universal or like any other studio would. So he kind of just have to... Unless like a Batman character was in it. Oh, yeah. If it was another Joker. I did see Joker.

Yeah, the festival too. Yeah, I heard it was good. It was good. So I'm curious. I heard a Goodfellas comparisons too, which has me interesting. Are you sure? Goodfellas, not taxi driver? I heard taxi driver.

You're a taxi driver? I heard Scorsese-esque. I've heard a ton of taxi driver and King of Comedy comparisons, but not... King of Comedy. Oh, okay. Yeah. I love King of Comedy. We should talk about that one.

Yeah, I haven't seen King of Comedy yet, but I know for a fact that Joker is not as good as it. That's how I feel. Well, you're probably right. I haven't seen Joker, but... No. But what you have seen may surprise you. A Disney movie named... Oh, Aladdin.

H-I-V-Ladine. Do you want to talk about Aladdin? I just wanted to mention it briefly that I did indeed see it. I bought it on Blu-ray at the grocery store. Oh. I saw they have... You bought it on Blu-ray? I was like, okay.

At the grocery store. Yeah. Well, because if I'm going to see it, I got to get the full experience. Did you get the highest quality possible? Not 4K. Well, that's the high-st quality possible. Well, that's the highest quality possible. So you're a liar.

Yeah, I don't even have a 4K TV. You lied to me, Ralph. You said the highest quality possible. Yeah, sorry, I didn't watch Aladdin in 4K. So it was 1080P. I feel like I got a good experience, though. It was just the movie was bad. You guys saw it in theaters, right?

I didn't see it in theaters. Did you see it though, Alex? Like, did you actually see it? Oh, yeah, I've seen it. Okay. Yeah, he said it was the biggest waste of time of the year. Yeah, the movies, I forgot. So incredibly insulting and bad.

And I just can't believe that... Well, actually, no, I can believe it exists. It's just so sad. That's the way for it. It's just sad and like... This just completely misses the point of like the fun. Well, they've been doing the live action remakes for a long time. I feel at this point.

But they weren't this bad. No, it's just the breaking down of an idea. It's like a drop in quality for where they've been doing it for so long and they know it's so successful that they can just kind of release anything and it would make money. And that's what this is. It's like so lazy and factory produced and the whole thing feels so phony and and cynical Yeah, the production is so like flat everything is yeah, and the way they shoot like just dialogue in the movie is so goddamn boring Man like scenes just go on and on in the original it's like so quick and snappy because it's just really

It has a personality animated film yeah exactly It has done of that I haven't seen a lot of guy wretchie movies, but like from watching this it's just It doesn't feel like a guy richie movie. I'm convinced he can't direct a movie. Yeah, it feels like a hack made it. But it's really incompetent at points. Like how bad the acting is. And like there's like Aladdin is introduced in like a flat wide shot like from his back.

And then they cut to like a shot like a medium shot of him. I'm like, wait, they were supposed to be like a focus emphasis on that character. What the fuck? It's so poorly made. Jafar sucks. And Will Smith is terrible too. Bull Smith is terrible. but he's also the best part of the movie somehow.

He is? Well, what did you think is the best part of the movie? I think the best part of the movie is like, I guess the set design and like costumes at some points. Actually, no, I can't see that out. I thought the sets were terrible. Yeah, well, that sucks. Like what sets? It was a green screen.

Right, it looked awful. The gold's like palace set, that was so boring looking. It was just all gold. Like, why isn't there like drapes or something to like contrast with this fucking bright gold? set. And the costumes looked really cheap too. You know what is really annoying about these Disney remakes that me and my friends

were talking about after we saw Aladdin was they have this weird obsession that they feel as though they have to address every minor criticism of the original within the remake. Yeah. So it's like oh where's a Baw on the map

or wherever it was? Like oh it's it you know wow crazy people wouldn't really take their word that he came from a place that didn't exist, they would ask to see it on a map or whatever. Yeah, it doesn't, that doesn't matter. It's like cartoon logic. Yeah, exactly. But people want that explained. Yeah. But it's like, who's it for? Because, like, there are people arguing that it's for a new generation of children that have never seen the original. So that kind of, it's not for them. I think it's for adults. I would just show them the original

It's for adults who have nostalgia for the usual. Yeah. I see people watch this shit on airplanes. I see adults watching these. I don't see a lot of kids watching the new Aladdin on an airplane. They watch cartoons. Well, kids, kids don't watch movies at all. They're on their phones on Twitter or whatever. They give the character of the genie and Jasmine, like 40 minutes extra of stuff to do.

Not plot or anything important. Just shit to give them. more time. They give Will Smith a love interest. They give jazz men like two extra musical numbers. That have no impact on the story. That was dumb. Yeah, it was really bad. What about like the quirky sidekick characters?

They were totally like nerve. Like the bird is so memorable in the original. There's no character left. He's just, now he is just a parrot. Like that is it. It's realistic. And the monkey as well. Like he was, he was so cute and funny in the original.

Now he's just a monkey. And it didn't even look good The monkey looked fucking terrifying All the visual effects were really bad And I kept thinking with the monkey And the bird You could have gotten a real monkey and a real bird And you could have put that on the set

But they're so lazy that they don't even want to do that Yeah There's no point Like why even computer animated If you're just gonna try and make them like Ooh realistic The monkey was fucking terrifying Right

Well and just get a real bird I'll be low Yeah exactly It might as well have been a real bird But you understand why they Why they gave more time to Jasmine right is because you can't have like an actual remake of Aladdin in 2019.

It's a bit asia. There's a couple. Her character served a purpose in the plot and she fulfills that in the original and that's it. And this movie, she has 40 minutes of extra stuff, but she still fulfills the same purpose in the plot. So it's all just pointless. At the end of the day, she's still like the damsel needs to be saved by Aladdin or whatever. She got a new song. Yeah, she got a new song.

It doesn't add anything. Yeah, do you remember it? Can you sing that song right now? No. I can't. And it felt out of place with the rest of it. Yeah. I will say that there was one, the only time I got a rise at all,

because it was the most animated scene in the entire movie was Will Smith's version of friend and me. Like it was way worse in the original. But it was the only time something visually somewhat stimulating was happening for me. Because it just turned into like an animation for a minute. Like, it was just totally crazy for a second. You said way worse than the original, right? Not way worse in the original. Yeah, much worse.

Okay. No, much worse. Yeah, the scene is much worse. Yeah, like when he starts, like, saying that you can rap and stuff, and it's like, what's happening right now? Yeah. Yeah. The, like, it's so weird when they just remake these songs because they have to, they, they,

they feel as though they have to modernize it. So, like, what do you do? You just have a, you have a louder beat? slow it down a little more auto tune the auto tune the auto tune is really noticeable holy shit the auto tune

like the first song right off the bat with Will Smith sing I was like holy fuck this sounds like really fake it's incredibly fake because he can't sing it's sad

yeah but it doesn't fit like the period of the movie like if it was said in the future or something and they're all talking like robots okay yeah it's a complete mess

something like death like that doesn't fit that would be awesome But it's just boring. That's the worst thing about it. It's just completely boring and mundane and forgettable. It feels like no one actually cared about making it. It was very...

Guy Ritchie certainly didn't. Like a product. If you did, it didn't show. I don't felt like you did. Who the fuck cared? Maybe it's just that assembly line process. Just all of the artistic magic is removed. Because like you think about how much money is put into all this shit.

And then it's just fucking... They trim it in some like assembly. line editing studio. Like the editing is fucking awful in this movie too. It is. It's just terrible. And there's no emphasis drawn on like any of the sets or costumes and the magic of it. Because it's like a fucking assembly line. Yeah, it just feels like work.

And watching it feels like work as a result. Right. It's a chore. It's so sad. Yeah. And people love it. I don't understand. I'm going to watch it with the commentary track.

I just want to know why. I don't want to like shit on people for loving something. I just want to know what they loved. Because if it all just goes back to like... They have big memories of the original. Yeah, if it's just nostalgia. That's it. And all it is is like you can only attribute the positive aspects of this film to the original.

Then I kind of have an issue. You know? You're praising the wrong film. It's like you're praising the copycat. That's enough for general audiences though, isn't it? Like, a lot of people don't even analyze this shit. Like they just have a memory of things from their childhood and they say, oh, that's been remade. Let's revisit that memory.

And it doesn't even matter if it's good or not. If it says Disney on it and Will Smith and all these celebs are in it and the songs they know, then they're just happy. You already know the songs. It's so much easier. It's so lazy. Yeah. It's like a jukebox. It's just nothing. Karaoke night.

Yeah, with Will Smith. Yeah. Well, other people were watching Aladdin on the plane. And also the Oscar winning short. Skin was one of the choices on the plane, which was hilarious. Yeah. I rewatch the Emperor's New Groove and the Iron Giant. Emperor's New Groove didn't hold up as well as my memory.

It was still enjoyable. Iron Giant, I think I appreciated it more as an adult. I wasn't that big into it when I was a kid. I like that movie. I love that movie as a kid. I think I got more out of it. I have good memories of it. Alex, did you watch that Dark Crystal show, like the whole thing?

I haven't finished it all yet, but I've seen about four or five episodes. It's good. It does improve on the original a lot, like I said, and the last time I mentioned it. But yeah, yeah, people are digging it, man. We're a good amount through the podcast. I think we can start the film recommendation if you guys want to. Cool. Let's do it.

I'm hoping we'll get some good discussion out of this one. one. So it was my pick, and I picked the infamous showgirls, directed by Paul Verhoeven, who you might know from Robocop or some of the big bugs. Starship troopers. Starship troopers, yeah, which are known for their sort of satirical slant with a goofy subject matter. And Showgirls is the story of sort of a wandering woman who called, What's the name again?

You find it. No-me. No-me. Terrible name. Who dreams of becoming a showgirl, as the title suggests. And through a lot of scenes that happen in the movie, it builds up to her kind of exploring the exploitation of strippers in Vegas. And the reason it's infamous, I guess, is because... I mean, we're going to get into that now because I don't know how you guys felt about the movie, but I got to say, I didn't hate it as much as I was expecting.

Like, this wasn't a Southland Tales experience for me. All right. But it was certainly unintentionally humorous and misguided in a lot of ways, I think, with a lot of really bad performances and really bad scenes. And a lot of just, what kind of moments? Yeah, I saw your rating, Ralph, so I vaguely know what you think, but I don't know how Adam feels and I want to know right this instant. Oh. Well, I didn't like it. I didn't think it was very good.

I thought it dragged on for fucking forever. I thought that the main character was fucking awful. She acted like a child, the entire movie. And the entire time, it's, it's, I'm just struggling. to understand like what's your fucking point here you know I get that they've tried to defend their points being like this is about like exploitation you know but it's really mm-hmm the film itself was equally as exploitative as what they're trying to to say is but and it wasn't even done in a way it's a weird message like I'll I'll defend under the

silver lake to the grave over that same logic because it's so obviously a commentary but in this it's just like it's not as on the nose though yeah in this film it just it felt as though they wanted to make porn but they didn't want to say they were making porn and that's basically how the audience

treated it because it bombed in theaters and then as soon as it goes on to the the home video market it became one of MGM's top selling of all time titles like the top 20 so it's like of course dudes are gonna yeah rent it and

jerk off and be like, well, this isn't porn. I didn't rent porn. I can feel good about myself for not having rented porn, but it's porn. It has a cult following, though. Some people really rate the movie. Whether it be for, because

they think there is like a brilliant satirical slant, or just because they're watching it in the same way, one would watch the room. You know, like people are viewing parties and get pissed and just laugh at it. The gratuitous sex and nudity is not something that bothered me given like what the subject matter is of the movie yeah it didn't

bother me it's like if it was about stripping in Las Vegas and it wasn't this crazy with the nudity I would be kind of disappointed honestly the the big claim to fame for this movie is that it's like an NC 17 like 40 million dollar studio movie mm-hmm yeah but that's really all it has going for it yeah because there's nothing really there I think this message is kind of hollow and like you said Adam it's really long it's way too long and boring and the characters are just fucking bad the script is bad terrible characters and yeah sound plane tales is a good thing to bring up because it's that was like a satire of LA and this is a satire of Vegas and like the stripping industry doesn't it tease that in a sequel they'd go to L.A. too like right at the very end the like the camera shows the the sign and the because I think I think

they thought it was going to be a big hit because I was reading there was a bit hubris involved from the director and writer of the movie because of the success of basic instinct which I haven't seen but it wasn't really a critical darling but it was a huge commercial success so they must have thought well I mean let's just do that again then you know that's just double down on our own ideas and the audience will just eat it up because look what we did before. But it just was so flat on his face like every like the director he loves this satirical slant in his movies, but he's with this like really serious material

and then you have these actors who either are totally miscast or are just honestly bad at their job. And it's just like such a mess. Like there are scenes where the actors are saying these lines and you're like, do you actually understand why or like what this line means or why you're saying? It felt like a joke sometimes. Yeah, and I guess people defend it by saying that like it's supposed to be a joke

Yeah, but I don't know. It's so inconsistent because sometimes there are scenes that it was just like, this just seems like you're giving a bad unconvincing performance. It doesn't seem like the director has informed you their like idea behind the message of this movie and the- And it feels like such a lazy cop-out too. It is. It is bad on purpose. Like I'm thinking to Boogie Nights, which is similar to this and I guess, well, this

came before Boogie Nights, I think. But like that movie is like about a sexual industry and has tons of nudity in it But it has real characters in it and it doesn't use like the satire excuse It's just a good movie and it's really entertaining and funny Yeah, there has to be some substance there not that yeah and subtlety Yeah, what kind of pisses me off about you know people Especially in regards to the terrible acting trying to defend it saying that that's intentional Like there's quotes from the writer saying that he

regrets the casting decisions, right? There's like, like, they, they have denounced a lot of the aspects in this film. They've said, like, yeah, we fucked up. That rape scene was in bad taste and shit like that. So, yeah, you're arguing with the filmmakers at that point. When you brought up the, like, sexual stuff not being that distracting, I was, I was with it until that moment. It was like, this is so confused.

Even if this is supposed to be, like, a satire, why is this scene in the movie then? Like, what is the situation? empirical slant of this this is just like a straight up no BS commentary right now like what's the funny slant right now I think that the intention was to try and have some sort of like counter argument to the whole oh American dream success story whereas this one's trying to be like yeah well you you better be safe because it's not all sunshine and rainbows and you're going to get raped and never meet your heroes and stuff like that like I think it was trying to to be more of like a cautionary tale.

I just didn't see it as much of a comedy. And it's not listed as one on IMDB. It's a drama. There's moments where it tries to be funny for sure. But like, it's just, it's, it's a very confusing film in terms of like, what exactly were you going for with this? What were you going for with this? A lot of it just seems to exist for the purpose of, of, I guess, giving people boners, you know?

I don't really have much of an issue with, like, sex. in movies. I just wish that there was more of a point to it. Because if the only goal in a scene is just to give someone a boner, then you can only enjoy it if you're of that sexuality. Yeah, exactly. But also, she's stripping,

and she's a stripper in this movie. So, to show her stripping is fine by me in excessive amounts of time. The issue was, for me, is that her stripping was ridiculous and, like, laughable. Because of like her flailing around.

Yeah, she was having a seizure. And I'm like, I've never seen anyone strip like that. Yeah. It's just fucking crazy. It's not erotic at all. But is that a commentary or is that them actually trying to be sexy? I don't know. The scene's very confused.

Yeah. Where she's, she fucks Twin Peaks guy. A comic Glockland. That was the moment I broke and just started hysterically laughing. So I just like, I don't know what you're trying to say here. Like, there's nothing. going on right now like every scene you have to take on its own and be like well if you just if you just take this little moment right here you could say well that piece of dialogue is obviously trying to be

really on the nose and satirical but in the next scene you have some horrendous really melodramatic shit happen and you're like well that that's clearly not satire of anything that's like a completely different message and then you have these characters like the um that songwriter who has like a subplot in the movie james oh yeah pointless He was such a point That character just exists to explain the theme of the movie Yeah He just keeps showing up too

Yeah He shows up to her house He's like how the fuck did you know where she lived He's a stocker Also I don't know what kind of credibility you have When you say you're going to write your own number And perform it on stage when you're living in a shithole Do you have any like

Do you have any evidence that you're able to write And direct some dance play Like why are you so upset that she's not taking it Why was she so upset when she saw someone else in his bed? There's so many poorly communicated ideas in this film, especially passage of time, especially that. Because you think the whole,

like, it feels like the whole movie takes place over like a week, and then you hear these lines like, oh yeah, we're engaged, she's having a baby and shit like that. And then it's like, well,

okay. There's a huge time jump really early on. There is. Like, for the first 10 minutes. And then there's never, like, anything like that again or a title card.

But then you get to like the end of the movie. and the guy's leaving Vegas that she met at the beginning it's like was that guy in Vegas the whole time does he just take multiple shit? Like how long was this movie? What kind of time frame are we dealing with here? It felt like the whole movie took place over a week it honestly did but clearly that

that's not possible given some of the plot elements right? I think yeah it's fucking ridiculous yeah it just couldn't pick one aspect to kind of anchor the movie around like the main character is just unlikable and only really gets any

depth right at the end of the movie where a lot of her motivations are explained just in a really sort of clumsy dump of exposition and then it's just such a mess because like you just sat there trying to break it down like what is the meaning of a lot of this like where sometimes it can be entertaining here and there like there is some okay like musical numbers I guess and and and and some dancing here and there, but it is just so, it's such a missed opportunity because it is a, like,

dancing and that kind of expression is like such a, it's so perfect for cinema because it's visual. And you can tell stories through that kind of language. And like, there are loads of musical numbers

in the movie where they're, well, not musical numbers, but dancing numbers where they're performing something. Yeah. And they're not really used to enhance characters at all.

Or explore dynamics between each other or because that that's like the obvious thing, isn't it? Like you have these characters and the conflicts are explored through their job, which is stripping or in, you know, being a showgirl or whatever. Yeah, later on. And develop the story that way, almost like a musical, but with dancing instead. And apparently the, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, of the movie did that and got like critical acclaim for how they had a focus and like adapted the songs and well yeah wrote new material and had a that's funny like a fantastic lead performance who actually understood what was going on and there was a bit more focus there and you can see like

there are elements here and there where you it would be kind of an interesting story like the character the main character on paper could be fun could be interesting could could have drama there like yeah could be a compelling character but the she is just like stroppy and you don't really understand why she does the thing she does for so

long and it's just frustrating like every element is a little bit frustrating and it just builds and builds and it's so exhausting because of their competitiveness like they keep reusing sets and things for these these like big dance numbers and it's just tired

It really is. I do want to kind of, I guess, explore further into the... Yes, they are strippers. Yes, that's the story that is created. And I can't possibly be like, oh, yeah, they shouldn't show them stripping. But there should be some point to the amount of times that it's shown. There should be some point to the degree at which it's shown. And even beyond that, when I say, like, oh, yeah, a lot of this movie is just to, like, give people boners.

Like even some of the dialogue like what was that scene where they were talking at dinner? It's like, I like nice tits. I always have. And she's like, I like having nice tits. And like that's what the hell is that conversation? It's like it's so embarrassing. Like what is this for? It's literally like some erotic roleplay bullshit.

It's like two people trying to get together off. No, I think I took it as they're just very sexually provocative people. So they always talk like that. and they're always naked and whatever. It's just a thing to them. I'm okay with that. That's part of the world of the film. I didn't take it as pornography.

I don't know. I don't know because, like, I feel like I've met and I know tons of sexually provocative people. And that's not like the day-to-day conversation that they have. It's not like, I don't know anybody like that. And I'm a pretty big fucking degenerate, okay? So, like, to claim that that's just how. people are. Do you ruin it?

Like, I don't know. There has to be something there. The performances are porn level. There has to be something that drives the story or like the conflicts. There's so many of the conflicts in this movie. It's just that all that stuff is terrible. There's so much in this movie where I'm just like, it's just thrown in. I'm like, oh, I guess you're mad at her now.

Oh, I guess you're mad at the other person. Like, it doesn't develop it properly. And even when it gets to the point where it's like, oh, yeah, she's so upset that she didn't get the part as the understudy. I'm like, it still didn't really. properly communicate how much that meant to her. It just insisted that it did. You know?

Yeah. It's so frustrating. It felt like a big waste of time. It literally just felt like a movie that was trying to be porn and disguise itself as something different. Because like that's what they were marketing themselves as too. It's like we're NC17. Yeah.

They use that sexual aspect to market the movie. Yeah. We're going to be the closest to porn without technically being porn. Have a story then. Sure. But I don't think that's how they see it. I don't think that's how the director and an actor see it. They're not seeing it as porn.

I'm trying to see like why they did it. And I think that's why. I was reading, though. It was pitched to the actors and like a lot of people involved that it was supposed to be this, this message about the exploitation of women in these industries. Yeah. And that's why so many people got involved and wanted to be in the movie. Well, how else do you sell it to real actors? What else are you going to say?

And it ruined the lead actors' career. Yep. Elizabeth Berkley. And she was only paid a hundred thousand dollars. Well, her acting ruined her career, to be fair. Yeah. Well, yeah. Her acting is not good.

In most things, I've seen her in. Yeah. It's just a sad story. Yeah. It really is. This movie's a total disaster, and it's hilarious. Did you find it entertaining? Like, sometimes?

Were there aspects and parts of it that you found enjoyable? The conflict I was having was that I was approaching it knowing that there is a cult following around it. And, you know, in the same way, like, Freddie Got Fingered has a bit of a, yeah, the critics and the audience's response was this way. But now, like, people are starting to read things about it. And so the whole time, I was probably over-analyzing it. Because if I just saw it in the theater when it came out, I'm sure my response would just be, well, that was. was pretty shit and boring. Also, you were like two years old or something when it came out.

Yeah, I would have been one. Interesting to watch as a one-year-old. There's a movie called Shortbuss that I might have mentioned on this podcast before. Do you guys know what that is? Yeah, I do. I heard it's good. It's great. It's a movie basically, what's his name?

David Robert Mitchell or something. He basically created this story based on the casting of the actors. So he cast people saying like, okay, we're going to make a movie. It's going to have a plot. It's going to be about characters. But you're going to have sex in the movie for real. And you got people that were willing to do that. You know, some, I don't know if like many of them were like porn actors or not.

But they could all act better than like you would see in like a porn, I guess. And he constructed their characters based around them. and kind of like let them discover what their conflicts should be, etc, et cetera, and so you have this movie where they literally have money shots. It's 10 times more pornographic than showgirls. It's not just tit shots like you see actual fucking. But it has real characters and it has a real story and it's actually really good.

And there's like dramatic elements to it. You know, there's there's like good music. Like it's a really great movie. And so like it doesn't really matter like how pornographic you want. want to be. Just remember that there should be a movie in there somewhere or else you're just making porn. Porn doesn't give a shit about the story. Porn doesn't give a shit about the characters and neither did this movie. So that's why it feels like porn. Right? Exactly. All that stuff was so substandard. It comes across as porn. Yeah. It's porn in the white screen. It's acting is one of

the worst aspects of it. Like the typecasting of Elizabeth Berkeley, it's because she was saved by the bell and she wanted to do something counterintuitive or counter I guess her image and same thing with Paul Verhoeven I guess that's what he wanted but it's like when they cast it the rock in fucking Southland Tales it's not that the character actually fits her

or that she's good it's that she's there and she wants to do it which is not a reason to cast her as the lead and she really doesn't I didn't buy her in the role at all when it came to her just sitting down and like talking having dialogue with other characters she was really bad

and no one else was as bad as her, I thought. Yeah, she was, Gina Gershon was much better than her. And even her character was like ridiculous over the top. Yeah. It just felt like a really elaborate excuse to show strip scenes. It felt like a lot of the movie was like if you, let's say these shows exist in Vegas and then some of the shows would be taped and they'd sell a DVD. That felt like half of the movie, more than half the movie was like,

I was just watching a taped performance of something that I could have seen live if I wanted to go to a strip club, I guess. Yeah. You know? I mean, like, it was more well shot than a taped performance for sure. Yeah, it had high production value, so it should be. I like that they did, like, they did shoot it in Vegas. I could tell they were like in the, they were like in the Paris Hotel, whatever. They were like eating in that.

They were like on the strip. It looked real and cool. You could tell there was money behind it. Of course. It's just a shit story. Yeah. Fucking Avatar has more subtlety than in terms of what it's trying to achieve.

Like, I kept thinking about a film like Black Swan, where it is about like an industry and taking a character and making it be a character study about the person and how, like, fucked up and how obsessive people become. And that's a really interesting angle because they've focused on that. But then they also have this, like, sort of idea of trying to deconstruct capitalism or something. And all these, it is weirdly similar to Southland Tales.

Like, it really is. Like, it didn't pick, like, a... Theme. One theme, one idea, one central message. And the message they claim it is is so vague. Like, yeah, it's insisted. Like, how could you not... Like, I can't believe people didn't think it was some kind of on-the-nose satire when it came out.

Because you literally have a character who just says the themes of the movie. Mm-hmm. How could you miss what it's trying to do? It's just very bad at doing that. It's like, without the character saying it, it's like, it's just, just, just feels like a porn. Like, why did you make this? Yeah, like, the characters are annoying. The plot is largely uninteresting, really, because you don't, you have no investment in the character.

Yeah, because it is just so over the top. If they wanted to go for this hyper satirical kind of. tone. It needed to be either way more subtle or way more cartoonish and over the top, like, like his previous movies or other movies. It's just more interesting. It was so predictable. Like, yeah, these people want her to dance, and then she's hired, and she's going to perform at the big show. It's so obvious where the story's going. You've seen it a million times. There's nothing special. It is like Velvet Buzz Saw or Southland Tales where it's like, yeah, we, everyone already knows

this, this thing you're trying to say, these vague themes. Yeah, rampant capitalism is bad. Yeah, big business is bad. Yeah, okay. More specific about it. Yeah, explore how it affects someone. Really delve into a character and make us understand them and why it is so depressing or sad.

Instead of just throwing all this shit on the screen and trying to make us just figure it out. I don't know, it's just... What a mess. Yeah. It's, there's so many, there's so many elements of it where, as I said, the passage of time is a big one. There was that scene where the guy slips on those pieces of jewelry or whatever, and the girl like dislocates her knee or something. And in that scene, it's like everything leading up to it, them like going up the stairs like, oh, great, you got to get ready.

Your cue is soon, blah, blah, blah. like it gives the impression, I think, that it's like their actual performance and not a rehearsal, but then that happens. And then nobody attends to this person, like they all dance around her and maybe that's supposed... Yeah, I found that very weird.

Maybe that's supposed to be some sort of commentary. But then like, not once do we get a single crowd shot or anyone from the audience reacting to what happens on stage. But then by the time they actually address it and the lights are up and they're like, oh, you fell, you hurt yourself?

We can see the entire room and there's nobody in the seats and it's like, well, you never communicated that this was a rehearsal. Was it supposed to be? Or did everybody, did you wait until the entire audience cleared out before any of you even left the stage and the lights are on and you're finally addressing this person

that has this injury? Like, what is happening? There's so much that's just so terribly communicated. And it's so confusing. And that whole scene, that whole sequence, its only point is set up for why the main character can get away with pushing down her rival down the stairs because it just explains that other dancer who...

Yeah. Yeah, it's insinuated she was the one who made the fall happen and it's kind of echoed later on. It's like, really? You wasted that much time on a setup like that for that kind of payoff. Yeah, there's just no proper direction. Yeah. There was definitely a lot of money behind it.

Like, it was well shot to some extent, but there's other like, I don't know, you could call this nitpicky, but there's just things that bothered me about, I guess, the planning of each scene, like, when the fat lady is roasting that guy and somehow everybody in the club hears her, even though she's not miced. And it's just like, what's happening? You know, just little things like that that are just constant throughout the movie that just piss me off.

It's just, there's no, there's no element of, like, care or perfection. If this genuinely felt like an idea that someone was passionate about, that they wanted to communicate to the world, then I would feel much more forgiving for this film. But there's no element of that. It really just feels like they just wanted to get a bunch of people to do lap dances and strip on camera. And like, ooh, you're watching something that's not porn, but it is. Yeah, I guess because it has no focus, the only takeaway you really have is that

loads of women were naked and dancing. So, of course, like, that's just what it is. There ain't much else going on. That's the heart of the movie. It really is. Every fucking line of dialogue. The part of the movie is that she was a talented dancer and she could make it if she really wanted to. Nomi, do my boobs look any bigger to you?

Just every fucking five seconds. How did you feel about when it suddenly became like a revenge movie for a little bit? Yeah, that was terrible. The rape scene? Yeah, kind of. more of like a payoff or something for that because like she just

could have been removed yeah so her friend gets raped then she goes and beats up the guy who rapes him yeah with Chekhov's knife and then she and then she abandons him and kung fu she learned taekwondo that's the arc but like what why did you set up this

roommate character if she's not gonna have any real point or some kind of like arc to do with the main character like I was I was really expecting for her to be like to delve into how like after the whole horrific rape thing I thought she would address like how just going and beating the guy up like what are you doing like that's not a solution really to anything that you but they don't they don't explore any of the interesting ideas or concepts they

throw in there you know like you can't you can't just use something as horrendous as like a rape scene in that way it can't be so flippant and suddenly you just be like okay now we're just like an exploitation film for a little minute but then earlier like it's not exploitation and it's trying to be serious but then another time it is and it's just

flip flops yeah it's so but like the actual scene is so like over the top and it's just something about using that as a as like a plot device in that way and it's there's nothing there's no commentary or satire to that it is

just it is what it is it's blatant. Yeah. It felt like something that would have belonged in Grindhouse or something. Yeah. Because it is just exploitation. There's nothing else to it. It's just shocking.

Like what the whole movie's going for, I guess. It's just, look, movies don't normally do this and we're doing it. Isn't that interesting? Crazy. Naked women everywhere. It's supposed to be like a dark turn for the story. Like now this is when you start taking it serious. like a boogie nights kind of thing

yeah like Donchidels in the the donut shop or whatever yeah well I thought maybe they would do that too is it something like that or is it just like tased on the goofiness and she just goes and beats him up like the end of death proof like that I mean even like even going back to the scene itself like she wanted to fuck him anyway

and then he's like no it has to be a threesome and it's gonna be rape and like they could have just roofied her but they just punch her in the fucking face. And then, like, everybody at this party should theoretically know that that happened. And, like, she literally walks out all bloodied and, like, right out of the room. Like, everybody sees it.

And then it's like, oh, you can't call the police. And it doesn't really explore that aspect at all. Like, there's this kind of hinted at element of, like, oh, they're too powerful. And this is just something that happens. And because you're a woman, you're being exploited and you should just expect to get raped or something. But they don't really develop on that at all.

It's kind of just like over and done with. Yeah, nothing gets development. Really. Like, all it really is is just a plot and nudity. And like an uninteresting one of that. Uh, what plot? It's just, it's barely there. It's her going from stripper to then showgirl and then abandoning it when it turns out it's not everything she hoped and dreamed.

Great. I didn't see that coming. Yeah. What other? angle could it have gone? Right. The second of the movie started. I'm like, it's going to end with her going down the same road, isn't it?

Like, going back and then fucking did. It's so predictable and obvious. I'm glad you mentioned that that one guy was from Twin Peaks. I was trying to pinpoint why I recognize them. He reminded me of... He's pretty good. Conn McLaughlin is an awesome actor. He reminded me a bit of Emo Parker, just the way his hair was.

Yeah, the same thought. Yeah. But you know he in particular hates the movie. I think a lot of people who worked on this movie hate the movie. But why him in particular? Do you want me to read his quote? Yes, please. I was absolutely gobsmacked.

I said, this is horrible. Horrible. And it's a very slow sinking feeling when you're watching the movie. And the first scene comes out. And you're like, oh, that's a really bad scene. But you say, well, that's okay. The next one will be better. and you somehow try to convince yourself that it's going to get better

and it just gets worse and I was like wow that was crazy I mean I really didn't see that coming so at that point I distanced myself from the movie now of course it has a whole other part as a sort of inadvertent satire no satire isn't the right word but it's inadvertently funny so it's found its place

it provides entertainment through not in the way I think it was originally intended it was just maybe the wrong material with the wrong director and the wrong cast. You fucking nailed it. It's really funny. Yeah, it's, uh, I don't know. I'll be getting rid of this Blu-ray. I don't even find it that great as a,

as a, so bad that it's good movie. Oh, by the way, I should probably fucking mention. It's too long. The, uh, blue-ray special features included, uh, pole dancing and lap dancing tutorials. And they were like the trashiest fucking special features I've ever seen. Oh, no. No, I read, because it was such a hit on VHS.

Yeah, they released a special edition. Yeah, they released a special edition that came of like a nude poster of the main character with like special, like a game you play where you like pin something on her breasts and stuff. Like they really leaned into that aspect. It is just like, yeah, they'd sell it in a like a porno shot. Yeah. They're selling it unironically in that way, like a pornography. It's ridiculous.

What are you going to do? Yeah. Who else is going to buy this movie? Fuck. Exactly. Because the movie itself has nothing else going for it, aside from that. Boobes, the movie. Would this film even get a rise, though, now if it was released?

Because we live in, like, the pornographic... Yeah. Yeah, excuse my... Ha, ha. Rise. You know what I mean? Like, we're so desensitized to nudity and stuff like that now because of the internet and the way we can just look at whatever we want.

whenever we want. Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny. Like, a film 50 years ago, you could only see, like, a naked woman, like, on film like that in a theater, and that's it. There was no home release.

There was no internet or porn or anything. So it was special. 95. There was a novel. Right. Not even 95. But it had a, it had novelty to it back then. Now, I mean, that's why, like,

those 80 slasher movies and all that bullshit has, like, nudity in it all the time. But now it's, like, whatever. Like you said, Alex, fucking people watch porn all the the time on the computer you have phones it doesn't matter so I couldn't sell the movie on yeah and like that note that's what I kept thinking too was boring it was either boring or laughable the nudity that's why I was never like offended by it or anything who are you even protecting anymore all these like crazy Christian moms like who are you even

protecting your 13 year olds already seen so much more fucked up shit than you ever well in your entire life the internet's here show girls especially move out of the way grandpa people are eating ass now Yeah. Yeah, man, too. All right. I think that wraps up my thoughts on this movie. Yeah, what did you give it?

Probably a two. There was some production value there, but, yeah, I think two is a decent one. Two out of five for the laughably bad parts for, like, the good cinematography, I guess. There were some parts that were entertaining Too many characters The plot is terrible and melodramatic The acting is awful It's just a terrible movie

I see why it has this reputation Yeah Mine was two out of ten for the first time Listeners by the way Yeah Two out of five for me So I guess what is that four In your rating scale

Yeah four out of ten I think I'd give it One and a half stars out of five It has no focus the characters are unlikable, the dialogue is just next level, embarrassingly bad. I got one. Go for it. Oh, me first?

Yeah, you go first. One of my favorite lines was, I see you hiding. From what? From you? Okay. That was a good one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, really deep.

I noted down the part where they were talking about Doggy Chow and how much they loved doggy child? It was in that awful scene where they're talking about how much they love boobies. What were the... It's just... It's not totally hopeless to me quite... I didn't have the rage the whole time like I did with something like Southland Tales because it was just so frustrating to me.

This film has slightly more going on than Southland Tales, which isn't exactly like positive particularly. But I'm never going to watch it again. it's just I totally understand the reputation and I wouldn't say I regret watching it particularly I'm glad I can just say

yeah I've seen showgirls now yeah I kind of get it yeah one and a half stars that's what my roommate said after it was over at least I can say that I've seen it yeah that's that's like one of those positive things you can say about it it's like well at least I can say I've seen it

and a part of the conversation now I suppose that's about it I've seen the parts where people don't get naked. What's that, like, three minutes of the movie? It's fucking 5% of the movie. All right, question time. Yeah, let's do some questions to get that out of our heads. So if you want to leave questions for us to answer on this section for the next Adonikas, head over to the Sadonikas Reddit,

where Ralph will leave a thread, and you can ask us whatever you want. Just like Poo Pooh Spash did. Hey guys, what would you say was the first movie that made you fall in love with film as an art form? Ooh, okay, I have a good one, because I just talked about it. King Kong from 1933. Because, like, those effects, I mean, they don't look real, obviously, but they're really inspired and entertaining, especially to, like, a 10-year-old who's, like, playing with action figures all the time. You're like, wow, it's fucking amazing what they were able to do.

especially back then with no um not the technology we have now fucking editing on machines yeah so i would say that one i loved watching that as a kid there were um there were plenty of things that i loved watching when i was a kid um but i think the first time that i really started thinking about like how the creative decisions of a film can influence the final product and what would count as like a purposeful decision would probably be with Christopher Nolan's Memento because I really I really appreciated that the way the story was told

was relevant to how the main character experiences the film and it sort of puts you in the mind of the main character being like constantly confused and everything's like backwards and even though like you know he doesn't yeah he doesn't literally experience time backwards or anything like that. But I think that it was just a really intelligent decision in terms of how the story was told. And it really got me thinking of like, okay, well, they could have told this story from beginning to end chronologically, but they didn't.

And it kind of got me into just, I guess, understanding why that decision was made and how it benefited the experience. Yeah. Interesting. I had an experience. Oh, sorry, you go ahead. I shouldn't say that. mine mine leaned mostly into horror because when you're a little kid you

for some reason like there are certain people that just gravitate towards things that scare them and I was obsessed with tremors and the original alien because of that kind of response it could rise out of you like the just the just the scares the atmosphere like being transported to another world and being able to get like an emotional response from from a film beyond like you know just the the usual kiddie stuff because when you're like watching a horror movie when you're really young you think like yeah yeah I'm like I'm an adult now I'm getting older I'm watching stuff that's not not meant for me like I'm above my pay grade right now so that's

when I really started thinking about that kind of thing well maybe well made me fall in love with it I had that with like Friday the 13th that's why I love those yeah those are like the first adult movies I got to watch so like Adam what you were saying like having a more deeper experience with a film, like understanding the craft of it, whatever. I had that, I guess one of the first times is like when I was 13 and I saw the social network in a theater, like, you know, seeing, because before that, I didn't even have the mental facility to even understand a film, you know, like that, because you're a kid. You watch fucking action movies, superior movies and whatever.

But just like watching that and they're talking about like diluting shares of stock and fucking, you know, it's like a drama, a serious drama, and I was a 13-year-old watching it. I felt like a big boy. Like how you felt Alex, like just watching like an adult film that was a drama. And I found interesting and I enjoyed and I understood and I understood like the craft of making it somewhat. So that was a nice experience for me. I put social network on that list. Nice.

Anyway. Yeah. You should have watched showgirls. Would have made you feel like... Yeah, showgirls would have been a good one. That would have left an impression on you. I'm a big kid now. Yeah.

But honestly, I found more the sort of early internet age with the way people talked about film was more inspiring to me in terms of that aspect of like understanding like the craft and appreciating how stories are structured and things like that. Like I was just totally obsessed with spil.com when that website was around. Like I just that's what really sparked the more. more sort of critical line of thinking beyond just like viscera. But yeah. Yeah, I was all over the

IMDB forums when that was a thing. Yeah, everyone's got their thing, yeah. Yeah. My IMDB account is over 13 years old. I've had it for a very long time. Yeah, that's legit.

I wish I still had mine. Oh, yeah. Rest in peace. Got to leave. Love on a lead. Yeah. It was worth it. The movie still has like a 9.5.

Like 5,000 ratings. You can't prove that all of those ratings are fake. No, they're all real. One of the reviews says it's like Citizen K-9. Oh, God. Yeah, it does have a 9.5 still. Jesus. It should be on the list of highest rated movies ever.

Yeah. That's the next step. I think it has to have a certain amount of rating. Yeah, it's got to have a lot. Oh, yeah, they changed it, didn't they? to be over 10,000 or something. We got to get to that. I guess you can continue to encourage people to rate that because what are they going to do?

Ban your account twice. Meanwhile, I am stressing for people not to do that because I still have an IMDB account. Yeah. Well, Naha 71012 has a good one for us. What films do you think best represent and encapsulate your own country? It's a good question. I'd say Goodfellas is a good one, casino, and Wolf of Wall Street. Team America?

Team America, yeah. That's a fun one. Let me find some positive ones, well, you guys think? I mean... Some positive for America. It's really difficult for me because, like, Canada is so many different vibes, depending on where you go. So, like, the stereotype, Canada. is like kind of like small town Ontario or like like kind of like Eastern like Newfoundland almost and then you have like Quebec which is like French Canada right and that's that's a completely different vibe so it's a little difficult. I'm trying to think there's like I don't know you can say like the trailer park boys movie or something or like yeah something like that's like just pretty pretty Canadian um

man I'm trying to think of a good one here there's like I don't fucking know like when you say encapsulate Canada what exactly do you mean yeah it's that it's way hard if you're real Canadian experience so many yeah America's oh you know a decent one would be Scott Pilgrim you know yeah yeah that's a that's a pretty Canadian movie like it it recognizes and pokes fun at it being like a Canada movie even if a Canadian didn't make it well yeah speaking of Scott Pilgrim Eger Wright

of course is English oh yeah the Quarnetta trilogy yeah of course the Sean of the Dead is kind of like Londoner life hot fuzz is like country life and what's it this is what's it called the I get always get confused with that fucking Seth Rogan movie the world's end is the world's

end yeah yeah that's sort of like the pub culture kind of thing that's huge here so that that's like a perfect trilogy and if you want to get more serious like this is England of course and Snatch they're like really big in the north and encapsulate that sort of thing and honestly Harry Potter

has a lot of sort of English super hyper English stuff and every English actor is in that franchise I don't even really like it but it does it is really English I would say there's more Canadian television shows that are that feel really Canada

than there are movies like Kenny versus Spenny is a Canada show um Nirvana the band the show like that the entire the entire show is is like they wanted to showcase Toronto so there's so many

like yeah especially if you've been to Toronto or you're Canadian there's so many things in that that are just like yes this is a Canadian thing just things that you wouldn't really understand or be familiar with if you weren't from Canada To mention a movie we talked about already, American movie is a good example of a movie that embodies America. Even though it's a documentary, it embodies that like American spirit, the American dream.

Even those guys could... America's got a lot of variety, of course, so it's hard to like pick one movie to like represent all of it. But I think that does a good job. And there's a David Lynch movie called Straight Story about a man riding his tractor across the country to see his brother. And that's a great little American movie. This is a simple little story. And it's not like a David Lynch movie, like the normal crazy shit you'd expect from him. It's just like a straightforward.

It's like a Disney movie, actually. It's just a straightforward movie about this fucking old guy. And it's really sweet. Disney. Some, yeah, some good American movies. Okay. Owen underscore Po has one I want to know. To Adam and Ralph, my question is,

what is to you, the film series equivalent to what Madagascar 2? and three are to Alex. So, i.e., what movies, film series with controversial elements that you love both ironically and unironically to an obsessive amount, but also potentially judged harshly by the other podcast movies?

Does it have to be like a series? No, I don't think it has to be a series. Just guilty pleasures, basically. Do you actually like Madagascar too? As the question says, like... Like, as a joke or... Yeah, I find it hilarious. All right.

I maybe bring it on six. Hashtag cheer smacked, I guess I said. I don't think that's a good movie, obviously. It's fucking hysterical how bad it is. It's so bad and so poorly written. And there's so many cheer puns in it. It's hysterical. That's exactly the kind of thing.

It's hysterical. I fucking love the saw movies so much. The saw movies are good ones. I think that would be a pretty good answer. Like, Saw 6 and 7 are the best ones for me. Absolutely. We were talking about like porn-level acting. The fucking song movies have like porn-level acting.

They are-thast-n-trivolved. Yeah. The production value just goes so down over the movies. It's so funny. Well, I don't know. The lengths they go to explain the plot. That's the funniest thing about. I love it.

They need to keep it as convoluted as those movies. We'll never see anything. Like that again just keep going because like we keep saying it they should have done like the twin brother thing Yeah yeah yeah yeah fucking jigsaw they totally should still do it I get sucked too late The saw series is so fucking special because like you get so many different horror movies That have had many more films in the series like nightmare in Elm Street Friday the 13th etc

But the entire catch the entire gimmick of Saw, what made the first one successful was the twist. And so every film following that was like, okay, we need a twist. At the end of every movie, there needs to be a twist. And so it has to like keep

rewriting and retconning in like all the most ridiculous ways possible to just be like, no, they were helping the whole time and she was also helping the whole time and you just never saw her. She was off screen and saw one, but she was there. And I love how many times it does that.

I love how confusing it gets. And like only the, only the most diehard saw fans will ever understand what the fuck is going on by the time you hit like saw four or five. But they keep going. And then they keep making it more complicated. And like, even the aspects of like the porn level acting,

like that one woman who was Jigsaw's wife, like you go into some of the interviews, you find out that she got engaged to one of the producers and that's how she got the role. And I'm like, oh, this is so funny. There's so much about... She doesn't even know anything about Saw or like the story. Carrie always didn't know anything about Saw.

It was so funny. Oh, it's one of my favorites. The guy from Lincoln Park is in it at one point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rest in peace, Chester Bennington. Yeah, this is great. They don't understand. That's their secret.

That is their secret. They're always just entertaining, whether it be, for reasons not intended, or because just the gore. It's just so over the top and ridiculous. Yeah, that's why people sigh. watch them for the traps. One every Halloween, make a movie a year, and then, you know, there wasn't any competition

until paranormal activity came out, and that's how it was able to survive. The most convoluted plot of all time, but people saw it for the gore. And so they were able to be successful. And 99% of the people that watched the movies would be like, oh man, that's some crazy gore.

I'm like squeamish right now, or that's weird. But for the plot, they'd be like, who the fuck is this? What is that? What's going on? But they kept watching them.

And that's just so special. We'll never see anything like that again. Yeah. How about this one from Brando Maldon? What video game series has your favorite law and characters? Wow. Interesting. Yeah.

Bioshock is a pretty interesting one. I really like the world of that. My answer is Red Dead. Oh, nice. Yeah. by far man that's so so good it's so good

really well-written characters yeah they're so they just feel so real especially in the second game like the character archetypes are so well explored and the motivations are so strong and they slowly build over time

and it's like it's like a long-running TV show within a game with the production of a movie it's so well done yeah um mass effect that's one of I think probably the only game

that I've played where I actually went into the like codex and clicked on every single thing and was like I want to know

all about this universe like that that is one of my favorite universes to exist in in fiction the Hanar yeah

I wanted to know everything about them yeah I was so invested yeah yeah that was great yeah And even on top of that, like, ignoring the lore, like, I love the characters, too.

Garris, amazing, husbando. I mean, come on, everybody thinks that. But, yeah, very well-written characters. Third game, kind of fuck things up story-wise, but whatever. Yeah, that's what hurt the law thing for me is the third one a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, and then Indromeda. Which I will never play.

I reckon that game is so bad that it's good. Like, I was playing it recently. The facial animations. Yeah, they look pretty funny. And there's this weird thing you can do where when you're running, they like over-animated it in this strange way where if you like flick the sticks in a certain way, the legs are just, they're just completely fucked. Awesome.

It looks like a crab. It's like crawling around. Like a chicken walk or something. It's so bad. It's so funny. For universes, I was going to say, like the portal, what is it, Half-Life, all that stuff. I like that. Black Mesa, all that.

Yeah, it's a really cool one. Man, I wish I could say Halo, but I really just don't like how much they've tried to explain. This fuck, dude. Yeah. Because, like, Halo 1 had a great universe and story and, to some extent, characters. And then as soon as Halo 2 happens, I know a lot of... of people will disagree with me on this, but like, I think they just fucked everything up. You don't think it was when four when they real collapse happened.

I mean, that's when they fucked things up more. Yeah. Halo 5 didn't even beat it. You don't miss it much. Yeah. You really ain't. Yeah, I don't think so. It was like Southland tales.

Like, all the story was just in comics and books outside of the game. Oh, my God. You so unsatisfying. There's a game, I don't know if you guys are familiar with the game developer Suda 51 at all. Yeah, no, I am. Yeah? His games are fucking wild. And they're so confusing.

And so, like, I've been going through all of his games. I think, I don't know, I've done at least five of them now. Some of his games, like Killer 7 and especially like the silver case, the plot is just so fucking nonsense. but there are fans of this game there are people who have like uncovered every single little detail and have so much higher of a grasp than I ever will on his games

that are in my Twitch chat trying to explain things to me and it still doesn't make sense yeah people love no more heroes don't they that's probably his most popular I'll be playing that one soon Oddworld has a cool universe You ever you ever delve into like the soul series

Because we actually had a question about that, people asking about it. Because that's very, like, deep, hidden law stuff that people totally obsess over. Yeah. Like, the most subtle plot and universe. Like, you don't understand anything that's going on unless you're a gigantic nerd. Yeah, like, the items in the game that you pick up have, like, descriptions or something that, like, you put together to form, like, some kind of story. Yeah, it's like a hidden story. It's crazy.

I played the game. I still have no idea what happened. So, good storytelling. I hear The Witcher 3 has got an amazing story, but I haven't played it yet. Yeah, I've never delved into that one either. I've never really gotten into the Witchers. I played the third one for a little bit. I really wasn't into it. I don't know why.

Yeah, I've tried, like, multiple times, but I, yeah, I'm the same. I can't, for some reason. Whenever I was riding the horse, I just kept thinking the Red Dead 2 horse riding is way better. That's all I was thinking. horses and every other thing. Yeah, it really has ruined all of the games for me. Because Red Dead 2 is just so good and smooth in that department. It's like when other games try to compete in that way, it's like, get the fuck out of here.

You can't be rock star at that. How about this one? It ain't even movie related, but this is pretty serious. From dry 96. So what do you guys think happens when we die? Jesus. No, I like this. shit. I love

I love philosophical questions. I think get ready for some controversial opinions but I think that religion is the vast majority of people believe in it as an excuse to believe that

you can survive your own death and it is brought out of our own fear of death and fear of the unknown and you can convince yourself a lot more easily to believe in that if other people believe the same version as you. And I think that our brains being made up of physical properties are bound to the laws of physics and to suggest that you survive your own death, to suggest that there is something

outside of the physical chemical reactions that make up our consciousness is superfluous. And you're basically just latching onto an idea based on your emotional need to fear death. Because if you didn't fear death, we wouldn't be alive. It's built into our DNA. It's built into everything about every living creature ever. If there was a species that did not fear death, that didn't have, you know, the two most powerful urges of their body being death and procreation, if there was a species that existed that didn't have those things, maybe it did. But they're not alive now because they didn't have those two overwhelming urges, right? So, yeah, I don't, I think that when you die, you'd cease to exist and you don't survive your own death.

And it would be like you were before you were alive in the sense that your consciousness stops. Because you can, you can alter your consciousness through physical properties like brain surgery or brain damage or drugs. Like drugs are physical chemical properties that you can use to enhance. or alter your consciousness. So to suggest your consciousness exists outside of the physical brain is not logical, in my opinion. Isn't there that theory that as you die,

your brain releases some kind of chemical similar to DMT? It is DMT. It is DMT, but the only reason why that theory exists is because no one understands why our brain produces it. So people are like, oh, maybe that's what gets released when you die but there is no as far as I know there's no real evidence to suggest that that's what happens it's just Joe Rogan being hopeful that he gets to trip out when he dies

you know um black mirror there's actually a really fascinating episode that I really love um where the guy gets a even like invents that machine where you can put it on someone else's head he's like a doctor to feel what they're feeling so he can diagnose them and he gets addicted to feeling the way people feel as they die. And it's really fascinating that concept, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, to answer the question, I mean, why would we be different to any other, like, being?

Like, I was walking my dog today, and there was, like, a torn-up deer in a field, just like in pieces. I was like, well, they've just been returned to the earth in the circle of life, Lion King. Yeah. It's got to happen. Life has no meaning if it doesn't, you know, have death in it. Yeah, it's not like people that believe that we survive our own

deaths also believe that every single conscious organism on the planet does. It's just human beings. It's like, we're special. Yeah, it's just illogical to me. I think you go to heaven. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. No, it's a little more complicated than that, I think. That'd be nice. But we don't, yeah, it would be nice. To be fair, we don't know. So it could be anything. Anyone could have an answer, and I guess it could be just as valid. In terms of what people are, what people are, asking I think more is like what happens to your consciousness when you die like this this version of me that that gets up every morning am I gonna like get up when I'm dead and we don't really know but well the reason the concept has value is because no one

knows so we're just obsessed with the idea and we can ever find it out until we experience it yeah I mean it's it's it's you know the it's the same thing as suggesting that we don't know what happens when you take away like parts of your brain. Like you can take away specific parts of your brain and you'll see that reflected in someone's consciousness. Like if you remove a part of your brain that has a specific memory,

then that memory doesn't exist anymore. Like the consciousness is made up of the physical properties of your brain, in my opinion. I would love to believe that this is a simulation and that this is not the real world. and that the real world, you don't die, or something like that. You know, that our consciousness can survive our own deaths and that we get to experience something else.

Like maybe we're just playing a really long game of Roy from Rick and Morty or whatever that was called. Was it Roy or Troy or something? Yeah, yeah. And I don't know. Like, there's this, like, I guess, idea in my head. Yeah, fantasy is the word I was looking through. for this fantasy that like when I die I'll wake up from some sort of simulation and it was all just

some sort of test and there are these like higher beings that maybe I'm like a part of them like maybe we're just aliens or something and they were like you know what you did a good job you passed high score or something like you you weren't like incredibly selfish you didn't fuck people over all the time you know you made people's lives easier you expressed yourself you were honest there you go word you get to have some cool shit or something like that would be awesome i would love that but that's a nice thing i really know it's just it's just as valid as uh christianity exactly equally as valid well i guess not all of it but the death part the the answer to what happens when you're dead uh adam's answer is just as valid as anything else anyone else wants

to say so yeah you got to just not obsess over it either Some people, like, it's the greatest motivator in life, which I guess can be a force of positivity. But, like, it's better to look at it as something that is inevitable, and that's kind of what makes life have value in the first place. Right. If it didn't end, we have no meaning. Yeah, exactly. Like, it just, nothing would mean anything. Yeah.

In the same way, anyway. There's a few complications that come from people. believing that this is not the only life. Like there's people on the planet that are actively looking to destroy it so they can fulfill a prophecy of the end times. That's not good. There's always going to be dangerous, mentally ill people.

Yeah. Great question. I love shit like that. I love philosophy. Yeah, I like sneaking those in on again when I see a good one. Hopefully everybody in the audience can not get too upset at any of our answers.

Yeah Where if anyone out there's like really high And they got to that part And they'll look Let's just put on this really relaxed movie podcast And they're like Oh my God, my brain Yeah

Want to do one final question Yeah let's do one of the opposite tact From Plaster Man 40 Is there a director You would actually want to see fail Either because you have a vendetta against them Or you think it would be hilarious Similar to Shyamalan

with Will Smith for After Earth. I want to see Wes Anderson make a really piece of shit movie. I just want to, like, all of the shitty things I hate about his movies in a bad movie. Don't some people really hate Life Aquatic, though? Yeah, that's kind of like the closest thing. And even that, I wouldn't say that's like a terrible movie or a bad movie or anything. Okay. I would say that's like, like...

I really liked it. It's not good, I don't think. But it's not awful. I want like an awful movie by West Anderson. I want Last Airbender level shot like a West Anderson movie. What I would suggest because like I got a very, sorry if this is kind of like derailing the conversation a little, I got a very different experience out of watching Life Aquatic for the first time than I think most people did. And that's because before I watched the movie, I watched The Silent World by Jacques Cousteau.

which is essentially what the film is parodying. It's from 1956. And it's like, it's this cluster fuck. And I think it won the palm door a can. And it won an Oscar. And there's this huge controversy. Like, it's so weird in, in 1956, Jacques Cousteau and this, like, crew of people literally just, like,

pretending to do science, pretending to do, like, you know, like experimentation and discovery are literally just, like fucking up the ocean without any care for it there's a point where they like run over a whale calf or something with their boat like the rudder and they're like oh no it's a documentary and

it's so bizarre it's really really weird it's really really weird and like unironic in how it's weird and they run over a whale calf and all these sharks like go after it because there's blood in the water they're like that's wrong no sharks and then they kill all

the sharks and they like harpoon them and then they just fuck off. And it's supposed to be this like, isn't the ocean so cool and crazy like this? It's so weird. Just how much things have changed since the 1950s. Sorry, that was kind of like a tangent. Oh, yeah. It's so bizarre.

What was the question? I'm so sorry. Directors, you want to see fail. Oh, yeah. I don't know if I ever want, there's no wanting someone to fail for me. Even directors that I think are bad or directors that I might be looking forward for other people to share my opinions on their movies. Like, I think Adam Wingard was one, but that already happened with the new Death Note movie. Yeah.

But it's not like wanting to see someone fail because I don't really, I would rather people succeed, you know? Even if they make a bad movie. But watching failures is fun. I would rather it be a successful bad movie than an unsuccessful bad one, unless. it's the Lion King 2019, I guess. I don't know. Disney remakes is just a good answer. Like, removing directors from it, like,

it hasn't happened yet, but I'd get a little smirk on my face if I saw the headline of, like, the new Disney remake has barely made any money because no one cares. Yeah, I would like to see trends fail. That would make you smile. But I wouldn't want someone's career to be over or anything. No. I'm just talking, like, a bad movie.

Yeah. But, like, box office wise, yeah, I would love it if, like, the Transformers movies stopped doing well or yeah yeah the independent movies were doing well but whatever not the world yeah well yeah my dreams already come true anyway with this answer with the Seth Macfarlane and a million ways of time the less I hate that movies so much and it bombed so yeah yeah got my wish there got him he hasn't made a movie since no he just went over to all good Ted too yeah the Guardian wrapped up there best movies of the decade

even though not in the decade was it the decade or the 2000s yeah it was the 2000s even though we're like yeah 2000s not all the way through the 2000s but whatever and Ted got number 20 which is really funny

Ted? Yeah that film Are you fucking kidding me? No I'm not kidding it that's why I think it sucks that's why I got posted on our subreddit it doesn't oh I got a watch at this despise that film there's a lot of great movies on that list but there's some like Ted that are just like, what?

Yeah, that are like, what the fuck? It's like so high above no country for old men and other shit. It's like, even if you're just on a comedic level, there's so many that comedies that have come out over that. Yeah, I can't think of a director that I would like to see fail. Even Daddy Derek, I want him to succeed.

I want to see more Cool Cat. He's a complete asshole, but I don't want to see him fail. I want to see more movies. Have you seen that thing on the red? I did that it probably is a copy pastor, the people saying that they met him. Oh, yeah, that's a copy pasta. That he met him at a grocery store. My mom and I were out of Vons in Vegas.

My mom is in very good shape. Yeah, this is fucking safe. Every time I see it, though, I give a good luck. I saw Derek in the alcohol aisle. I was going to introduce myself, but he saw my mom and immediately approached her and proudly introduced himself as the creator of Cool Cat. He was hitting on my mom He left after he talked by my mom

It was awkward Yeah, I don't believe that I don't believe it It's mama cat Yeah he only flirts with Mama cat Because he does hit on On women

He's looking He's looking for a new mama cat Oh please All right Please Enough about that moron Yeah Fucking moron

Don't be mean Yeah He's misunderstood At the lull is not an excuse. Who's recommended a movie? Is it you, Adam? I think it's me. All right, time for a recommendation.

If you don't want to be... Oh, wait, I guess that comes after I recommend it. I can't know what it is. Well, I've been flirting around with some ideas in my head of what I want to recommend. And on Ralph's Blu-ray collection video, I've seen... I've noticed that he's in the same boat as I am, that he has a copy of Sallow that he hasn't seen yet. Oh, God.

Dude. I was hoping this was going to happen. Yeah? Remember the last episode at the end? I was like, I want to recommend something, but there was like a release in the UK that wasn't out yet. That was the movie.

Okay, cool. So I think we've all wanted to see it. We've all wanted to recommend it. Ralph, you haven't seen it yet, right? You didn't watch it between that video and now? No, I haven't. Okay, cool. So I was going to watch you yesterday

with a friend, but then my friend canceled because they looked up what it was about and they were like, I don't want to watch that. So we watched the killing instead. Yeah, I don't really know what I'm going to think of it. I don't... But it is another one where I need to at least be able to be

able to say that I've watched it. It's apparently my favorite director's fourth favorite movie of all time. So that's a plus, I guess. The user rating's not great. Apparently, yeah. Who knows? It's hard to watch, apparently.

Yeah, we'll see. You'll all you listeners to know. I just... My guess is a lot of our listeners won't be getting through this one. People like vomit while watching the movie. Yeah. So... Really?

But is this another thing where people kind of overhype how extreme it is. It could be. I want to be cautious about that. But I've also heard it's like one of the most disturbing movies ever. And so, like, it's been put up there with a Serbian film and, what's the other one another disturbing movie accountable Holocaust

it's put on that list it's like with those two yeah supposed to be very disturbing just so we know what we're getting into yeah I can't wait I mean I can handle it oh yeah

it's about like torture isn't it's about our listeners anyway so full title sallow comma or the 120 days of Sodom 1975 directed by Pierre Paolo Pasolini

all right uh yeah good uh we'll finally be able to watch it hopefully there's like a kid's film or something to talk about two weeks from now to like balance that out a little yeah we got like what did we go from like how to torture yes

yeah it's gotten really bad oh whatever um cinema paradiso is like the most tame it was like about censoring like really graphic imagery like that and then these two movies just fucking forget it nudity and sex galore

yeah all right if you don't want to be spoiled for solo or the 120 days of Sodom my voice is dynke check it out before our next episode which will be released in two weeks from this episode's release

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It might be more. So, sorry if you watch all these movies with your parents or something. Yeah. If that's your Sardonicast night. Yeah, who knows? I'm just, I'm excited to see it. I don't know if I'll love it, but I'm excited to see what it is, at least.

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