Sardonicast - Sardonicast #44: Ad Astra and Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom

Episode Date: October 8, 2019

Timecodes: 00:00 - Intro 01:19 - Nostalgia Critic’s “The Wall” 10:39 - Ad Astra 14:07 - Ad Astra (SPOILERS) 27:48 - Salo (SPOILERS) 1:03:40 - Q&A Ralph's Recommendation for Next Episode is The King of Comedy.

Three, two, one. Uh-oh. Stinky poop. Poopies, funny poopies. So that's a new meme somehow. Have you guys not noticed that at all? I've only heard just the uh-oh, stinky thing, like in the song format. Oh, yeah, you heard the remix.

Okay. Yeah, the remix. Yeah, that's a meme somehow. And it's very popular right now. Just make silly noises and say funny words and it'll be memed somewhere. Yeah. This is SardanaCast. I'm Adam from your movie sex.

I'm Ralph from YouTube.com slash Ralph the Moviemaker. You said it. I'm Alex from I. I was going to grill you on why you stopped saying your whole URL in your intro. Oh, yeah. I just, I wasn't even thinking about it. Oh. I just remind yourself not to.

I guess I won't say it this time. Okay. Yeah, it's just like whatever I feel like. But I'll say it. it then. I saw some people like are angry about it. So I'm like, all right, I guess I'll say it. They were angry about it. People get used to it. They're like, who is this guest you have on Ralph the Movie Maker?

Where's YouTube.com slash Ralph the Movie Maker? Exactly. Whatever. So you guys both made some videos on the new nostalgia critic review. Yeah. It's not even new anymore, is it? He already put out a few more sense.

That's the thing. Yeah. It's already old news. Yeah. It's not the new one anymore He makes one a week Which is insane Yeah, it is insane

Clearly the wall was like Supposed to be his magnum opus It was clearly something he spent a lot more time on Than the average He didn't spend a week on that one He spent like at least a month Yeah I mean the quality shows

Seems like nobody likes it Well I mean there's some people that like it But It's certainly I think they like it ironically They like the formula that he does it Like very cheap production value but I don't know

it's like it was actually trying to say something and like was it back off of yeah it was trying to have some like commentary it was like a cop out way of doing it like he didn't decide what slant he wanted it to be did he want it to be a parody did he want it to be a review

I don't know it was very confused I don't know a lot of people are treating this as though this is some sort of like exception but from what I understand Doug Walker has always wanted to do just skit videos like that's why I don't know if you're aware of this. At one point, he stopped making nostalgic critic reviews and created something called demo reel.

And then it wasn't successful at all. And so he had to go back to making nostalgic critic reviews. So he spent like, I don't know, maybe I should have fact check this. I heard he spent like $200,000 on a studio, like saved up a bunch of money and then tried to do demo real stuff. And they were like very bizarre hour long kind of like sketched. comedy things. Yeah, it wasn't successful, really. Well, I mean, I really enjoyed the supervillain shuffle.

Oh, you did? Ironically, you should just look up the supervillain shuffle. It's really funny. It's really, really funny. I will. I'm very curious. I never watched any of that. So it's like a whole chapter.

Is that after all of his, like, original movies that he started making? Oh, the five seconds? No, he did that during the Strait. No, he's always, yeah, the boldly flea or whatever it was called. I don't know. Yeah, to boldly flea. He announced like the end of nostalgia critic with one of them. Was it to boldly flea?

I have no idea. I have no idea. I've never been able to get through four hours of it, so I can tell me. Oh, yeah, it's a long one. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. No shit.

You deserve an award. Yeah. I don't remember. Like, it was a while ago, but I remember, like, the guy from Fantastic Planet was in it, and then he dies at the end, and they have, like, a funeral for him. What? It was very bizarre. Fantastic Planet.

What's that show? It's like a cartoon It's like an eco-friendly Guy Saving the planet Be Green Yeah, Captain Planet That's it

Not Planet Sauvage Yeah, that would have been very bizarre Strange art film Yeah I would have liked that better But yeah, I don't like, I don't know I see his The Wall review

And I'm not really taken aback by it It just feels like something he would make, you know? No. But it's like, if the intention was to make something hard to watch, then I think he succeeded. But I don't really know the intention of it. It was just like, why would you make people sit through this? It's very long and not well made and not funny. And I don't know his opinion by the end of it.

He very clearly wants to be creating these kind of like skit movie sort of things, right? He's not as interested in the actual review. and I remember, I think both of you were kind of wondering like why the songs themselves and the entire content of it is so critical of the film and then he calls it like a love letter. And at the end he's like, yeah, I do like it and stuff like that. My theory is that he wanted to create something that was essentially just copy paste parody. Like I wanted to parody this whole thing. But in order for it to have more of an argument towards it being fair use, it needs to be critical. So he started creating criticisms that he didn't necessarily have so that he could upload the entire album to Spotify and say, hey, it's a parody.

It's not going for the same thing as the original. It's fundamentally a criticism. That's my theory, is that he made it critical, even though he didn't really have much criticism to offer. just so he could be more fair use about it. Such a strange way to approach it, though. Just having to jump over these hurdles that he's created when it's like, you're the only one who wants to do this, and I guess that's what's important at the end of the day.

But it's just an embarrassing result of just not listening for so many years. And then you just get something like that. Well, I mean, who was that for, though? I think it was for him. Oh, yeah. In which case, I guess you can't say much to it. Yeah. I hope he is.

Yeah. I hope he's happy with it. Yeah, I don't hate the guy. It's, uh... No, of course not. He's just, uh, a very interesting character. And he was less interesting when the entire internet and all of YouTube was like that at one point in time. You know, everything was really kind of like low quality, enjoy it ironically sort of thing.

But now there's so much more competition. We've got like big brands on YouTube If you want to compete And offer content in a way that's unironic You should probably up your production value Yeah, it's like he hasn't grown at all That's the biggest crime to me That's just the lack of change there

Yeah Yeah, it's like we're watching the same guy from 10 years ago And it's not like it's so dated Oh yeah What really gets me about it is that He made this gigantic leap And said I bought a studio I saved up a lot of money.

I'm doing skit videos now and they're not just reviews and these are like actual produced films. Camera's still shit. No lighting. Yeah. Like audio's still shit. Audio's terrible.

How many people do you employ? And why are none of them responsible for something like lighting? Why are none of them responsible for like the basics of what you should have on your checklist of things to have some sort of production value to what you're creating?

That's what kind of bugs me. Yeah. From what I understand, he's got a lot of people in his crew, but it seems like they're all just offering cameo appearances. But he's trying to actually make like a real album that gets emotions out of you, but without any of the artistry that goes into actually creating something like that. Like the beauty of the wall is like the actual movie and the craft of it and the craft of the music and how personal it is to him.

And then it's like he just redos it in a month and he expects to get that same kind of praise out of it. I have no idea. That's how I got. It's like a weird ego project. It's really strange. Yeah. Yeah.

Hashtag. So, so strange. Hashtag. What are you doing? What is the point of this? He had no shirt on at one point. Nice. So weird.

Well, at least we got some funny videos out of it from both of you and Anthony Fantano, surprisingly. I was very excited to see his not good review of the, album. That came out of nowhere. I was so hyped. That was great. It got taken off Spotify, right? I don't know if there's any official answer for that, because my assumption would be that Spotify took it down because they did not consider it to be fair use. Or maybe they took it down just out of a copyright complaint or something and they didn't really investigate it. Because who knows? I don't know exactly what their rules are for parody songs

because even Weird Al Yankovic, he doesn't just go by fair use. He actually licenses the songs. So they actually make royalty off of the parodies that he creates. So I don't know exactly what their policy is for that. It really depends on the platform. Do we know what Doug Walker did? Did he actually get licenses for the wall?

I doubt it so, so hard. There's no way. There's absolutely no way. I'd be stunned. Yeah, I'd be very... They would be very expensive. Yeah, exactly. Roger Waters just wouldn't let him.

There's no way. Yeah, to get permission for that project. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure he would like that. Yeah, just wanted to mention it. I guess some people were curious as to my opinions because I didn't make a video and I never will on the subject.

it's really not worth my time. I'm not going to delve into it. I'm not going to analyze it. It's not worth it. We all saw a movie, though, that we can talk about. That was much better. We saw Dad Astra or Star Astra. Ariastra.

Yeah. That's all I kept thinking is Ariasca. Yeah. What did you guys think? I thought Ariasster was pretty good. Yeah, I thought it was good. Not in love with it or anything. It was just solid.

It was like a better World War Z. It was a Brad Pitt vehicle that was just trying to be like interstellar kind of. But it was really good. It had like a good story and acting. But I didn't think it was all that original. Yeah, it felt very familiar. In ways for sure. And very just kind of, yeah, like, oh, it was okay.

On a story level. I do feel as though it had a few. few kind of unique takes. And perhaps maybe I'm just not as familiar with what it was inspired by if that was the case. But I really liked its view of the future and like consumerism and just like, you know, how the moon is turned into this, this like corporate culture land where there's ads everywhere. And I was thinking like, wow, Brad Pitt loves to put product placements in his movies. But this is one time where I'm actually not upset about it, especially.

comparing it to World War Z where it like turns into a Pepsi commercial for a minute. In this case, it's a bit more like critical. Yeah. The sci-fi world building in general, I just thought was really subtle and really enhance the kind of sci-fi nature of it because it's so easy when you set your film in the future to just go crazy with it, flying cars everywhere and all this otherworldly technology. But it does feel recent enough that like, yeah, that kind of technology could exist, which, and it kind of led into inadvertently.

one of my least favorite things about the movie, which is more sort of a strange lack of subtlety in the sense that I really couldn't get on with the constant narration in the movie. It kept pulling me out. It was over-explanatory. Yeah, I thought there was no subtlety to it. And every time I wanted to sit back

and sort of exist in the world, there was just some really generic line from Brad Pitt just saying something that was so obvious to anyone if you'd just been watching or paying attention. It was just totally unnecessary to me. It reminded me of original boardrunner. Yeah, yeah, exactly what I kept thinking of. Yeah, it did remind me of that too. I feel like I got some things out of the narration, though.

I feel like I got a bit more depth to his struggling internal conflict with the relationship with his dad and all that. I feel like that was helped by the narration, but you're right that there's probably too much of it and not all of it is purposeful. I did like that. It was consistent because a lot of movies just have it at the beginning. I do find it strange though how they literally had like a plot device like a science fiction plot device which forced the character to basically monologue you know towards the audience in the form of that thing he is sort of attached to his neck and have the kind of blade runner asks like mental checks so I would have thought it would be more interesting if they used that kind of plot device to kind of expel the way he was feeling and thinking as opposed to just overtly saying it all the time

It would have been, it would have helped you, you know, invest yourself in the world a bit more and not be pulled out every few seconds from him just saying some silly thing. Yeah. Should we do spoiler warning? Because there are a couple of spoilery things that. Yeah, I think we should. Spoiler warning, everybody, for dad astro. I also went into it not knowing anything. And I think that helps a lot.

Yeah. Yeah, same. I do absolutely nothing. The trailer was kind of shit. I watched that after the fact. Yeah. It tries to market itself as something a little. different. They throw in a lot of like the

moon chase scene sort of thing when it's like that's not really what the movie's about. It's like more of a character study than anything. Although I really did like that moon set piece. I did too. A bit of action, a bit of tension in there.

Because it's quite a slow movie. So when something like that happened, and especially the execution of it, it was quite, I didn't like how they had to pointlessly describe who these people even were like oh, they're pirates, run away kind of thing. Again, I would have liked a bit more subtlety, but that was an exciting sequence, I thought, I kind of broke up the more exposition-heavy scenes.

Yeah, there were, like, action sequences placed to help with the pacing, and some of them were good like that, but then there was, like, the monkey. Yeah. That was a little weird. That was an odd, like, just, I didn't even think they needed to be in the movie, really. And then one character got in that scene that I didn't really care about. Yeah. So.

As soon as that happened, I had this overwhelming feeling of. what? It just kind of showed up out of nowhere. What were they doing there? They were like... They were just replying to a, you know, distress signal. That was the only reason they did that, right? Did it have any greater meaning or importance to the themes of the movie?

Well, thematically, it's like you think there's some... It's presented like alien almost when he goes in the ship. Like, what the hell is this thing? But it's just a monkey. And that's kind of... of the whole movie is humans are the cause of all this kind of horrific pain and suffering that everyone's going through it's the cause of the like Tommy Lee Jones on Neptune is causing the sonic boom or whatever the fuck which is strange wiped out the electricity yeah it's just all this

man-made conflict the man-made conflict on the moon uh like uh all the consumerism and how capitalism kind of destroyed that society that's like the whole point of the movie it's not about a aliens or any of that other shit. And I like that. And I like that Brad Pitt's character was just a guy just going through this. He was just like an everyday guy. There was nothing special about him. Well, I mean, what do you?

I would disagree with the nothing special about him. Because they really built him up as like this kind of like, oh, yeah, your dad was this crazy guy. And so everybody treats him with this. Yeah. But then at the very end, once his purpose, once his purpose is fulfilled, the government just completely shuns him. They don't give a fuck about him.

they only told him that to build them up so that he would do the mission I like that he's like the guy that always keeps his heart rate below however many BPM they're like man that's pretty epic so he's like kind of built up as like this kind of not so everyday man

I thought that he was like kind of a unique character yeah yeah exactly because he starts off so detached and kind of stoic but over the course of the movie just through how really horrible the situation he's been put into like it forces emotion out of him and you really understand sort of what he

stands for as a person and how he feels about his dad and everything is a really interesting like place of that and the whole arc of his character is really interesting and especially when the reveal at the end with what happened with Tommy Lee Jones and how that all goes down and how he he basically learns from his dad to stop looking outwards all the time and focus on what you've actually achieved sometimes so you don't drive yourself insane but like a really satisfying way to conclude the story, I thought. I really like movies that deal with psychologically repressed characters. I think that that is an interesting subject to tackle. And in terms of, I guess, that element of the story, I think that this movie did it pretty well.

Like, that's one of the things I like better about this movie. It's just that what kind of holds it down is that it's somewhat littered with scenes that you'd expect in a more cliched space movie and there's points of the movie several points where I'm constantly wondering is the movie smarter than me or I smarter than the movie? Does that make sense? Is that dumb? And then there's some points where I'm like, yeah, that's dumb.

When the three characters died after he like broke onto the ship Yeah, I didn't like that scene at all. That was so ridiculous. What happened? That was so confusing. Yeah, especially considering they're supposed to be these astronauts. They're supposed to be able to behave in times of crises and they just kind of snapped for some reason.

The ship's taken off. We've got this countdown as to when it's going to like go forward and push everybody backwards, but we're so distracted. We have to kill Brad Pitt at this moment. The girl just flies face first into the wall. It was just so ridiculous. I wanted to laugh

really loud when that happened. Yeah. It was a lazy way to keep the main character isolated. Yeah. But also they get rid of those characters, but it's not Brad Pitt's fault, really, because it's an accident. It feels kind of guilty about it. And that's why it felt like a Brad Pitt vehicle, kind of. Because like that scene, maybe he should have just, yeah, he's a nice guy, he wouldn't

actually kill the crew. Not that his character would. I don't think his character would in that situation. But it's just, you need to write something a little more clever than that. Has Brad Pitt ever played like a villain character? Yeah, that's just not. Like, fight club. Kind of, but is he really a villain in that story?

He's just a, I mean, spoiler. He was like the only night. He was the only nice slave owner, I know. It's so funny. Maybe he's got like a clause in his contracts. Like the rock or something does. I would be surprised. Yeah, public image.

That kind of distracted me. Yeah. To keep that leading man persona, I guess. That's what he demands. He didn't actually kill any of them. They just all fucked up really bad at the same time and all died. Immediately. Like what happened?

Why did that, why was there no more oxygen? Like, the guy, like, threw a canister at him. What was that? The canister leaked out. And I think that... Depleted the oxygen in the entire ship. What? Yeah, and then they all suffocated.

It was a clumsy scene. I have no idea what happened there. That was a really ridiculous moment. And then at the end, again, like, I don't know if I'm smarter than the movie or the movie smarter than me. there could be something that I just didn't pay attention to. At the end, when, like, there's the whole conflict, he parks the ship or whatever, and then there's the, like, the rings of, where was it, Neptune?

And he has to, like, go through them by using the, like, ripping off the door of the ship and propelling himself forward to get back to his first ship. And it's like, why don't you just, like, shield, yeah. Why don't you just, like, park it at an angle where you didn't have to do it? that so that you could not like why would you make it so that the only straight line between you and between the ships is is one that goes through the rings like you you'd think that that would have been preventable just by not leaving the ship at that exact place but it would have looked as cool well yeah that's the thing like i did get the sense that it was meddled with so in some

sense by probably producers or whoever's funding this movie because there are some really not very subtle dumps of exposition from characters and there are so many characters that show up that have no character and they are just there to dump a bit of exposition and there's nothing

memorable about their performance or their dialogue or really anything about multiple scenes like that and yeah like especially with the dialogue I remember some really just unnecessary stuff towards the end that was just explaining the whole point of the movie over and over again.

It's like, it's not that complicated, like, what you're presenting us. Like, how stupid do you take us to be? And obviously, yeah, that comes from certain levels of interference here, I'm sure. Like, apparently, this film was really difficult to get made, and the director had to compromise with, like, the ending and a bunch of different things that they wanted to do. Because it really feels like it's trying to be two different things at once, you know? Like, do you want to make an intelligent character study, or do you want to make a popcorn movie? And it really felt as though there were conflicting tones and conflicting ideas of what the film should be.

Yeah, because, like, even in that opening scene where Brad Pitt's kind of working on that lift or whatever it was, that huge space thing that was... The geosynchronous orbital platform? Yeah, and he's like, there's like a huge action scene and he, like, falls off and he's falling, like, hundreds of miles or whatever. And it was like, oh, oh, it's going to be one of these movies, I guess? It's like, okay. And then you're right, it does just flip-flop between, no, we're going to be kind of smart and somber and serious now with these really slow scenes with these extravagant sets

and like harsh lighting that you're supposed to sit there and think about what this character's going through. But then there's a moonbuggy chase. It's really strange. Yeah. It's always really interesting to me whenever there's a movie that is rated lower from users than from critics. Like high critical rating, lower, lower,

user rating. That's always really interesting. A lot of the times it's because the elements of the film are more to do with, I guess, just like presentation. So like the movie looked beautiful. Like it looked fantastic. Yeah. Very colorful. Score was great. Different color palettes in each scene. Yeah, the score was great. And again, the subtleties with the character. But then, you know, the stupid scenes are also there. Yeah. And it's like, I still appreciate a lot of the story. lot of the elements that the film did well, but there's things just holding it back. And so a lot of viewers wouldn't necessarily pick up on, I guess, those presentation elements. And if you don't have

those in the film, if you don't notice those, then it's probably not that great of an experience comparatively. Yeah. I feel like there's a great movie in here if he recut it. Yeah. And I mean, you can cut out that whole monkey scene and the movie wouldn't be any different probably. better, I reckon. And some of the narration. I mean, maybe not all of it, but some of it. Yeah. There's really good ideas in it.

There's a lot of excellent cinematography and sets. There's some concepts that were very unoriginal, I thought. Mm-hmm. And, like, interstellar. The opening reminded me of gravity. Yep. It was going for that same visceral, like, excitement, even though the rest of the movie wasn't really about that.

So that's why it felt so out of place. Yeah. I feel like a lot of... space action movies or even space horror movies are so fucking derivative at this point. Like it's very uncommon for one not to feel like just like it's trying to be another one that already existed. That movie Life that came out, what was it, 2050 or something? Jake Geelman. It was so fucking derivative and uninspired.

Like every single scene was just like, oh, well, you're just trying to be that. And it's just so annoying. And Brad Pitt's like the flashbacks to his girlfriend and all of that, I thought that was really just lame and again, really familiar territory, especially after first man last year, which I thought was much better in terms of that kind of personal story. Yeah,

when it focused on that, it was just really lame. Yeah, the whole movie was about that personal connection with his wife and his kid. Exactly, yeah. But they didn't plant the American flag. It's supposed to be the most important part. Yeah, oh well.

All right, what would you guys give this movie out of however many you want to give it out of? It's a good movie. I think you should experience it in a theater because it looks great. Like the actual science fiction, what I go to a theater to see with a fucking epic space shots and, you know, cool stuff like that. I got all that. But yeah, it's a little derivative and felt like a Brad Pitt vehicle. But it's still a good movie, like three out of five. Yeah, I'm sort of there with you.

It didn't really leave much of an everlasting impression on me I liked the message of the movie well enough but every time I was starting to love something about the movie there was always a caveat that came with it so right by the end of it I was so split down the middle that again I'm not really interested in revisiting the movie anytime soon but at the same time it is an original film kind of thing you want to see more of and support

just so I would recommend seeing it especially if you like kind of slow science fictiony pieces like this I'm torn between a two and a half stars and a three Probably a three Because of yeah All the things we've already talked about It is a well-made film

Yeah it's certainly There's things about it that bring it up To a six for me It's better than just like an average Kind of schlock Nothing special about it sort of thing There's just Lice

Things holding it back Yeah exactly Yeah Yeah Audio visual wise Pretty great See it in a theater I guess.

But yeah, it's good. I'll watch it again maybe, but not rushing back to see it. Exactly. I guess it's time to talk about the film recommendation, which... Rush back to see this.

Here we go. Yeah. A very rewatchable movie. Yeah. And it kind of ties in with the intro I gave, the uh-oh, stinky poopie. Oh, yes. Yeah.

you've done that. Sallow or 120 days of sodium. Spoiler warning. If you haven't seen Salo, maybe you don't want to see it. Maybe you just want to hear people talk about it. It's a little extreme. It's one of those movies that has a notorious history of just being,

a notorious reputation of being really extreme in the state. same vein as you could say Cannibal Holocaust or a Serbian film or human centipede, I guess. Although this one is pretty critically acclaimed. And many people, or at least a few people, consider it one of the best movies ever made. Unsurprisingly, Michelle Hanukkah, Gaspar Noe, and John Waters all think it's great, which is just so unsurprising, it's them. Yeah. and yeah I'm a little torn on it but I I enjoyed it overall I think I think it has some merit

enjoyed it well yeah yeah I enjoyed it overall yeah I would say it was great yeah not entertaining like in the traditional sense but very interesting and in terms of actually making a horrifying disturbing experience I think I got to look up the direct name, it's some Italian guy, but he succeeded because this stuck with me for a while. And I will rewatch it again at some point, but there's some images that are still in my head from watching it. Yeah. And I think like describing what happens in the movie is worse than just watching it because some of it does look fake. Yeah. Well, because like we're, I bet we're going to describe some of the things that happen. And not that watching it is a pleasant experience, but, um,

There's some stuff that looks fake in this film and there's like extras who are laughing and smiling at certain points. I'm glad it's not like I want this to look real, but it's more like what the film is about and what it's calling back to. That's the disturbing part. And it feels very real in that sense, if you know what I mean. Yeah. Alex? Well, I'm the opposite of you, Ralph. I really didn't get on with this movie.

movie. I understand, well, first off, you mentioned its reputation and I think its reputation totally did proceed it. I think I just went in with the wrong mindset because of the way the film had always been described and bigged up and it really is not, it is not this like overbearing, totally crazy movie that everyone has been trying to sell it as. It is, it is more clever and metaphorical than I was expecting. And in terms of that kind of thing, the film history. the fact that it was made in a, you know, a reflective time for the Italians. And, you know, of course, they're going to have a lot to say about, you know, fascist dictatorships at that point.

And that's really what the film is about and how that kind of just excess and if it's unchecked where it can go. I sort of understood all that, but I thought the film was pretty monotonous and repetitive. And even like, there was no, there was nothing for me to really. get attached to. If it is going to be a metaphorical movie about how oppressive governments are bad, then I need something more because there are countless movies about this kind of thing. Like we mentioned the wall earlier.

Like that's a way more entertaining example for me. Way more thorough. Deconstructing these concepts. Exactly. Yeah. It deconstructs it more. It's more interesting. And most of all, it's more entertaining.

Like, I just, it's just so slow and dull for me. And like, I was watching, I was like, okay, let's just see how much longer this has. And it was like half an hour left. And I was like, really? Like, I was really expecting more from this movie from the way it's been bigged up. And again, like, if it is going to be so metaphorical and really have not much else going for it, it can't be as repetitive as it is. It needs more for me to attach myself to it.

Like, I was trying my best. Like, I feel like this is really one of those movies. where not only does the reputation in terms of how extreme it is louded as, but it also has a reputation, as you said, Adam, as being this sort of, like, gem that you sort of have to like. And if you don't like it, then you're not a true film fan. You're not a true cinephile. Sorry.

So it's like, no, what am I missing? Like, I'm just sat here watching this, people, like, crawling around and, yeah, fascism's bad and all that. But, like, after a while, it's like, okay, I totally understand the point. but it's not creative or different enough throughout the movie to keep my interest after a while. It is very one note. And I think that part of the reason why I enjoy this one more than something like a Serbian film, which I absolutely hate, is because there's definitely more of an intent,

whether we're going to say that it was pulled off great or not. There was definitely a visible intent for the, I guess, political statements and the metaphorical statements it was making. And also, this one is one of the earlier ones. And I really appreciate something that can push boundaries so far and create something that people hadn't seen before at that period in time. At this point, someone could release a movie like that, and I don't think many people would consider it to be very groundbreaking or important in terms of what it's trying to say. I think most people would just consider it to be pornographic or, you know, like just torture porn or whatever you want to call it. But I do appreciate, when was it made, 1975, something like that?

I do appreciate something at that period in time existing. I'm glad that it exists, even if I don't absolutely love the entire. movie overall. Yeah. It would have been so shocking when it was released. Yeah. Considering the landscape it was released into it would have been really quite

daniously shocking at time. It was also hard to find for a long time. It was banned everywhere. Yeah, like he's banned in countless countries, yeah. Yeah. Definitely not fun. People might hate me for this, but I found a lot of it kind of funny. I found a lot of it for a pretty funny.

I found it, yeah, unintentionally funny at points. Yeah. Unintentionally funny. I think so. Who knows? The scalping at the end, a little unintentionally funny. That looked pretty fake. There's a few funny moments.

Yeah, one of the main things that really stopped me from getting into the movie, though, was, I kept feeling like I was noticing some pretty bad performances from the young teenagers, because they weren't, like, actors at the time that it was, I think, a lot of their first sort of project that they ever worked on in this capacity. And you could, I swear I noticed a few of them smirking in the background now and again. And like it was, it wasn't very convincing to me. And especially the way it takes a long time to even build up the suspense or fear in, because that's another problem I have of the movie.

It's called 120 days. But the time passing is like, the indication of time passing I thought was really not great. That's true. I didn't feel like, I was expecting like, what was the Sardonicast movie who did ages ago? The horror film where at the end there was like an excruciating torture scene. Martyrs. Like, yeah, martyrs. I was thinking of like, at the end of martyrs, that torture feels like it is like days of the way it's edited, the way it's presented.

Yeah. And here it's just like it's so repetitive in its structure. It's like seen with the fascists, like having like a bunch of exposition in form of like a back story being told. Prostitute story. Yeah, the prostitute story. Then some shocking thing. Then another shocking thing. Then another bit of exposition.

And it's all like in the same house. It's all in lots of the same rooms. And the only time I thought I really ramped up to what I was somewhat expecting was the final sequence at the end, where it all kind of, everything, everything kind of happens in the last part of the movie. It's a good finale. And by then I was, yeah, it is a good finale. And I thought the last line was kind of clever with the sort of young guards talking about, how's your girlfriend back home or whatever, something like that. And it made me wonder if the book would work a lot. better for me because it might be able to it's based on a book I do believe yeah I had no idea yeah and I

and I was wondering if it would work better in that format because probably these things are so over the top that seeing it recreated by people who you know are actors kind of lessons for a punch a bit I think if I it was left to my imagination and I was just reading basic descriptions of the horrendous things you see yeah your imagination is obviously way more powerful than anything that they could have come up within the 70s. Yeah, I think the most effective part in terms of me taking it seriously was one that was really helped by my imagination and anticipation of fear as soon as the guy puts the nails in the food and is like, oh, come over here.

Like, I was cringing before it happened sort of thing. It's less to do with how they pulled it off presentation-wise and more to do with the concept and, you know, the way that you would react imagining such a thing. there's other elements of it that were just pretty goofy though that that was the most effective part for me was the nail in the food there's an only line in the movie that something like it's all good if it's excessive something along this lines one of the fascists says it at like the table and I was asking myself is it because a lot of the time this like excess

extremity kind of like these movies like you know the human centipede and cannibal holocaust and that kind of thing being extreme in that way it's not that hard like anyone can like walk around naked and like shit on the floor and start eating it and stuff like it's not the most brilliantly original concept in the world so i do need a little bit more because it is just repetitive after it's like a one-trick pony like it shows you what it's capable of and it's like look now it's the same thing but the shitting on the floor and eating it instead of just you know the normal horrendous stuff they were doing. Ha ha, poopie.

The repetition really hurt it for me. Stinky poop. Although I thought that was one of the better scenes in the movie. It was the first sort of shit scene with the girl crawling over to it. That was one of the few times I got a, this is really gross right now kind of reaction out of me. Yeah. This is a movie about violence and specifically like sexual violence and how people sexualize violence, these crazy fucking rich people.

But the movie didn't feel pornographic at all to me. me anyway. It all felt artfully shot and the excessiveness of just the torture and the and the rape in it is more what affected me rather than just showing it. There was no close-ups on any stupid things or like there was the scene like the when they have to consummate the marriage like that was one of the most fucked up scenes to me just the way it was presented just like these wide shots from far away. It was really fucked up. And I feel like there's all lot of scenes in this film. Like, yes, it's not an entertaining film to watch. And I agree with you, Alex, in that sense. But I think it is very extreme to the point where it is effective.

And, like, you can say it's extreme to the point of comedy, but there, this was actually done to people in, like, slavery or the Holocaust. And that's the more fucked up part. Yeah. But the way it's presented, like, at the, very end that you see all of it through the binoculars of that one guy sitting in his chair, like inside the building. Like that's what made it fucked up. It wasn't what was actually being shown because it didn't look all that real. But it was the performances.

It was like the dedication of these actors to get naked and crawl around on the floor because they knew they were making art. Like I appreciate that. I feel as though it was well shot for the most part. I wasn't really blown away by any of those choices, although I do appreciate that. them until the end. It reminded me a lot of... The end sequence, I was really impressed, though.

I really liked how that was presented. I found that, like, having it through, you know, the binoculars far away, like, detached. One could even... I don't know if this would be intentional from the filmmakers, but one could even say that that's, like, a commentary on audience members, which, you know, obviously Hanukkah loves that kind of shit. Yeah. It is the smartest scene in the movie, I'd say.

Yeah. It's easily the best one. I could tell Funny Games was very inspired by this. Or I said Susperia, the cinematography and the set design of this reminded me of Susperia a lot. And it even has a character that's very similar to that woman in Susperia who commits suicide because she feels guilty about what they're doing to the girls. There's like a similar, like the pianist in this who jumps out of the window at the very end. So it was cool to see like all these Italian movies that I've seen recently all inspired by

this. It was cool. And, you know, I can't, like, not love something that has inspired all these other movies that I love, you know, even though I didn't enjoy it. Well, I mean, the Holocaust is something that inspired a lot of movies I love, but I don't love the Holocaust. Oh, yeah, sure. I guess so. Do you love the Holocaust, Ralph?

I can't not love something that inspired a lot of movies I love. It is a really detached movie. There isn't really much humanity to be found, even from the young teenagers who are supposed to be kidnapped. I didn't think they really sold the idea that they were kidnapped, aside from the odd scene where one of them tried to escape because they remember. I like that scene. Oh, wait, yeah, we got to. Yeah, those are the scenes where I was like, yeah, this is what I want to see. I want to see at the start a little bit of resistance from these characters because they've just been captured or, you know, they just weren't reacting to the, to the horrors they were seeing in front of them in a way I thought was.

convincing enough to make me believe that this was really happening and it wasn't just a bunch of first-time actors. I believe it. They were totally helpless. It's like, what were they going to do? Yeah, there were a few moments also. Like, there were a few escape attempts and stuff like that. Yeah, and those were the times. I was like, I'm glad this is happening.

But again, just every time I was getting some kind of payoff, it just took so long to get there. Like, too long to the point where I just lost my investment by then. You just didn't buy it? No. Like, especially because, Ralph, you mentioned that it did feel kind of real and really pulled you in. But I didn't think there was a very tangible mood or atmosphere to really help ground the movie for me. Like, it did just at all times. Yeah, it just felt, it just fell flat for me.

I couldn't get into it because of the weird, like, performance things I was noticing, because of just how over the top it is. And it was, it was riding that line of, like, is this supposed to be purely just really, metaphorical and satirical in a sense or am I supposed to really be fearful for these kids because this is just so so horrendous what's happening right now. It never really properly convinced me and just stayed on that line sort of the whole time until the very end where I was like yeah I see the point of this but it's just I think it's just too long and too slow. I was able to get into the tone for sure and I was able to to get the feeling that you know these kids are being tortured they

didn't want to be there sort of thing. Although I didn't really, you guys are mentioning, like, you saw them, like, smirking in the background. I didn't really pick up on that. There are a couple, you know, weird kind of, like, continuity or things that were bugging me or, like, a couple presentation issues. There was a line where, like, someone's dialogue was, like, echoed for some reason, and it was really distracting.

But, I mean, like, those were the, I guess, the exception to the rule for the most part. Like the moments that took me out of it were not as frequent as me, like, being in it. It is still very repetitive, though. I wish that there was more to it. There's a lot of things that I like within this film that I would have liked to see in a more thorough exploration of what this movie is supposedly going for. Exactly. Or I guess, you know, just different beats in the story. because it feels like a lot of the same beats over and over.

I feel like you could do more with this concept. Yeah. That's part of, I guess, why the film didn't speak to me is because we do have films like funny games now, which take elements that are clearly inspired by a film like this and vastly improve it and make it a much more entertaining and poignant film for me anyway. And it's the same way for a lot of these older films that have inspired so many people.

We've said this again and again with films recommended before, that it does take some of the punch away when you've seen the inspirators sort of movies based on this kind of thing already. So some of the punch is taken away because it has just been reiterated in slightly more intelligent forms, I'd say. Yeah, it's certainly not a timeless movie.

It's certainly not for this generation. We've all been ruined by 4chan. We're not going to get the same effect as people in the 1970s. Just imagine everyone's like moms and dads watching this movie. It's like, of course. It would be more groundbreaking and more effective. But I think it's also important to try and like place the film in that time period.

I guess it depends on how you want to judge it. Yeah. That's why I could never say I hate the movie. Because I think you do need to read the movie from that historical lens. And when you do look at the movie through that lens, it's really fascinating. Yeah. It is a film that is sort of more fun to read than watch. like as you said yourself Ralph

like the it's not really an entertaining film but it's the history around it it's the story behind it like we haven't even to mention what happened to the director was it before the film came out yeah yeah the director literally got murdered three weeks after he finished it yeah a few weeks

which is crazy and it's understandable why it has such a cult following based on all those things but if you do view the movie from a more modern lens it doesn't really hold up to me if you do completely ignore the film history side of it. Yeah, it's really just depending on how you want to judge the film.

Yeah, I said it was about the period that he lived in, even though the film is, it takes place during World War II, obviously. But he said, anyway, Pasolini said that the movie's about the bourgeoisie. It's very, that's what he said, the bourgeoisie, very anti-borgeoisie and how these rich people, this obsession they have with, wealth and this excess kind of has destroyed them as human beings that

like you've got to think when you're that rich you can just have whatever you want and you can fuck and have sex with whoever you want with that kind of power and money and I just I'm trying to find a way to say this without like being distasteful

they're just like the skepties yeah it's hard it's hard to say without being distasteful because this movie is drawing a lot of comparisons to like Nazis and and that stuff and how they tortured people and got sexual gratification from that. And I think that's what

he's trying to say with this. And he's comparing it to the rich people at that time in Italy. I don't think that's distasteful. Yeah? Okay. No. I'm just trying to phrase in a way that's like as intelligent as I could say it. Because it is a very challenging... Yeah, I didn't find it insulting.

No. I didn't find it insulting either. I think maybe what well, what I get out of what you're kind of trying to say is like when you have so much wealth and power, you become detached from average people in society and you're not a part of their world anymore and it dehumanizes other people. And the horrible atrocities that people commit in positions of power historically are ones that come out of that same dehumanization element, you know, like.

Right, and then it's never enough. Like, they want more and more and more, and they're still sexually frustrated. Like, they're whipping these poor children at the end, and it's still not enough. They're still angry, and they're probably going to do it to someone else after. You know, that's more what this film is exploring. And I think that element is really fucked up. And there's not a lot of movies about that kind of sexual violence. And I appreciate that they were able to make a movie like that without being pornographic

or, like, insulting in that way, or, like, demeaning to women or, you. You know, it's about both men and women being tortured, too. Yeah. It could have easily gone with just the woman angle, like maybe showgirls or something. Yeah, that would have just been too much. It would have been too much, yeah. But it felt more tasteful and balanced than that. And that's why I really appreciated it.

The sexual side is key, and certainly is what makes it more unique, because, like, I did just mention, like, the dark crystal or something, which is, like, obviously, for kids, but does she... share similar themes of like the skexies are so obviously like a metaphor for like the bourgeoisie. Yeah. Or like Starship Troopers, the Wall, all of these movies. They're similar in that kind of way. I think that there's a debate. I think that there's a legitimate room for debate on whether or not this movie is pornographic.

Because it is and it isn't. Like there's certainly no money shots. It's certainly, they certainly didn't make something where they, the goal was to have someone jerk off to it. But I'm sure there's people that do. Right. Especially at that time. Yeah. It's so, like, films were only shown in theaters at that point.

Like, there's no way you get it like on a home video cassette. Yeah, that's true. And they, uh, a lot of the concepts in this story, not necessarily the presentation, but a lot of the concepts kind of like they come out of some sick person's fan fiction fantasy sort of thing you know where it's like you you just add on to it beat by beat and like oh she's gonna piss in his mouth now and like every time they added a new one it was kind of comical to me not every single time yeah maybe that's why when they just keep going further and further and further it's like oh okay we're gonna do this now like I wasn't as like emotionally

impacted by the film as I think I should have have been or, you know, would be if I was a different person living in the 1970s who had never had the internet, I guess. Exactly, yeah. But it was an uncomfortable laughter for me anyway, because of just the excessiveness of it. And also, this director is notorious for making kind of films like that. And he said that this is a deconstruction and like a denouncement almost of his film career and how he's done that in his films, right, by being so excessive, by bringing it

to the extreme and I appreciate you think there's some self-loathing in there mm-hmm it is quite hopeless and like nihilistic just as a rule like there's basically nothing to attach yourself to because it's just so horrible it's just miserable yeah yeah it's a miserable piece yeah I think that the most disturbing parts for me in terms of the overall tone not necessarily specific set pieces would be closer to the beginning actually

before they actually get to the torture place. Like the idea of these rich people like buying and selling these kids and that dialogue we get about how the girl's mother drowned trying to save her and that's why she's crying and you know the guy that tries to get away

and gets shot and you know them just kidnapping all these kids like that part of the film I thought was like pretty great and it didn't get like ridiculous enough at that point for to be like kind of comical.

You say nervous laughter, there are some parts where I had genuine laughter. There are some parts that were really funny to me. Well, some of it's so absurd. There's just no other appropriate reaction, really. Uh-huh.

Yeah, when the president moons everyone and then gets ass-fucked and he's like cross-eyed little smile. Yeah, it was comical, yeah. That was pretty funny. That actor, I thought, well, I thought the casting of all four of those guys was great because they all really came across

is disturbing fucked up people, especially him with his silly grin. The women, the wives of the guys who were just going on and on about these sexual encounters in their lives. It was so fucked up, I didn't even want to read the subtitles. It was horrible. Yeah, it certainly serves a purpose.

And despite a lot of things clearly being inspired by this, I still feel as though the experience of this movie is unique. It's not one that you could necessarily get from watching the other things that were inspired by it, whether that's positive or negative towards the film. I have in my notes just one scene that I found really funny. The sequence where they all rat on each other to stay alive, it felt like kind of a Monty Python sketch

where it just kept going and going like, oh, well, you're about to kill me, but you'll never find out what this person did that you didn't like. That was kind of funny. I didn't think that was funny, though. I thought it was funny. Yeah, I thought it was funny. It seemed very satirical.

quick they were all like turning on each other. I thought it was more of a commentary. Oh, there's certainly a commentary. System works. Yeah. Certainly. Yeah, I just thought it's more satirical and it's, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I found, I found a bit of it to be goofy. But, I mean, even with that, you know, if I didn't find any of it to be goofy, then I might not enjoy the film as much. Because I enjoy this film in kind of like split between ironic and unironic ways. I enjoy this film. Mm-hmm. for its piece in history, its commentary, its presentation to some extent. But, I mean, I also get enjoyment out of the kind of ridiculous over-the-top elements that I do find funny.

We didn't mention the soundtrack. Ennio Morricone! Showing up. I thought it was a good soundtrack. I thought he did a really great job. That song near the end, especially, was great. Yeah, it was used sparingly, which was effective. The opening credit song was good.

Yeah. Really, um, that was an original piece. Really light tone, happy music in the intro, which was a nice juxtaposition. Yeah, very disconcerning, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I feel like if you do take individual scenes and analyze them, there is a lot to appreciate about it, but there's just something about the whole piece to me that just doesn't come together and make for something I got much value out of. Probably because the, the message is just so repetitive after a while. Like, they really do hammer it, hammer it home, like what they're going for.

And it is sort of the same point over and over again. And it did just reach a point for me where I was like, okay, are you going to show me anything else or is this? No, okay. Yep. Yep. Fascism is bad. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. And then it ends. It's so difficult because like I can't put myself in the position of being someone in

the 1970s watching this because like when I'm watching this now and we're exposed to all, you know, we're all on the internet. And there's so many people just posting random, disturbing things on Twitter just for laughs, just being trolls. You know, there's parts of this movie where watching it with almost that kind of lens is,

it feels like kind of a troll movie. When the Duke, like, pulls off his pants and just shits on the floor, it's like, okay, you're just going to take it further. This is like some edge lord writing this movie in a sense. Well, yeah, it comes from a place of anger, clearly, towards the government, the fascist government,

ruled Italy. And that's very obvious because it's doing everything and its power to mock them constantly. It just mock the idea and really dismantle everything that it stood for to as a huge middle finger up

to, you know, everything that happened there. Which I totally understand and is interesting, but just tiring after a while because there ain't much else to attach yourself to beyond the messages of the movie

and just the shocking nature of it. I like the subtle, there's like a subtle part where she looked, one of the women looks out the window and there's like a bomber coming by, like a plane outside. So it's

hinted at that it's toward the end of the war I think, and like America's going to come in or, you know, America's going to come in and save the day as we usually do. But I like that element of it. I like that that was subtle and just in the background. I feel like there's a lot of stuff in this movie like that.

Were there any practical effects that you guys liked? I can think of a couple that I appreciated. The tongue looked pretty good. When you're going to just tongue cut out. It was, that part was all right. I thought that it was a little off color in terms of like. Yeah, it was a little off color.

Maybe there should have been more blood, but I like that. It was okay. The fake dicks didn't look all that great. Yeah. Except that one scene. Pretty silly. After the, um, which guy did he fuck? I have it in my notes.

It's kind of like the, the darker scene closer towards the end. There's a scene where one of the guys gets ass-fucked by one of the studs or whatever they called them. And that penis looked gigantic, but the lighting made it seem real enough.

And then at the sequence towards the end when they're looking through binoculars, you can see that they're like the wrong color. They're kind of like gray. It's kind of weird. But the practical effects that I did like, I liked when the guy was getting whipped and they had

the whip marks on his back put on before and then he turns around and you see them and it feels as though they just appeared when he got whipped and I liked when they when they cut out the guy's eyes

I think that that was a cool effect yeah I agree anything else I guess not I mean well yeah that's the ironic thing about it I guess is yeah like there isn't much else to say

beyond the meaning of the metaphorical nature of it and then just literally what happens in the movie and that's that's kind of your lot with this one for me anyway we've got a good half an hour conversation out of it yeah well it really is the thing I have to urge people if if you haven't watched the movie and you're listening to this segment by any chance go in with the correct expectations because I think that really did hurt the movie yeah just in the way it's been sold really temper them bring them back think about everything we we've just talked about and really approach it from a historical slant more than I'm ready to be shocked by this movie because you might not get that there's a movie I saw yesterday just

the painted bird and like the only thing that people know about it is like people walked out it was just a fucking edge lord movie it was so bad yeah and I walked out because it often is it's more the context of it and what it's calling back to in history that's disturbing rather than the actual like seeing the guy gets scouted. There's plenty of movies that have done that better. Yeah. There are certainly interesting elements to it.

What would you give it out of five or ten or whatever? Alex Scott. No, no, no, I want to know what you think. Yeah, it is one where I have to kind of just settle somewhere in the middle because yeah, I do really like

half of the movie and what it represents and I totally understand why people like it. Here's a shame I went in with the complete wrong lens on this movie, which I don't know if you can particularly blame me for because that is the only reason when you talk about the movie. Exactly, yeah. But the other half is just I just, I didn't connect with anything. I like the idea of a sort of metaphorical movie that's taking down these heavy concepts of oppressive governments and dictatorships and fascism and all this.

But I just think there are some. many better movies that deal with these kind of concepts that we've had since then, where I'm glad I've seen the movie, like, just in the same way that I'm glad we've seen Showgirls and all these other infamous movies. Notorious movies, yeah. Yeah, exactly, notorious. But at the end of the day, I'm not going to be rushing back to see this movie. And I can't really recommend it to anyone unless it's someone so specific that they probably

already know about it. Yeah. So I'm torn between two. and a half stars or a three. I say it might be a three if I rewatch it, but I really don't want to, so I might have to set it on two and a half. Ralph? Well, I thought it was great.

Not entertaining in the traditional sense again, but I do appreciate the artistry of it. I do think it's very well made and acted, and the score is great, and I see how it influences all these other movies that I really like. And I'll give it four out of five for now. I'd like to see it again at some point and get it. more out of it or see if there is anything more to get out of it but yeah I thought it was very very good what both of you said seven out of ten yeah I'm I'm I'm I'm something this happens when it's everyone is in a different place for

yeah we're not it's a great challenging film it's clearly a divisive movie yeah like yeah it's clearly his intention To be loved in the same way a traditional, you know, tear-jerkery, emotional-fueled sort of picture is. It's not like he's around it here, the criticism. Yeah. He died before he even came out. Yeah. Some people speculate that, like, he was killed because of the movie.

That doesn't make sense. Why? Like, more of the, yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, no one could have seen it. Exactly. Like, one guy saw it or one of the actors or something was angry at him, so they killed him. Oh, does nobody know who did it? I have no clue.

There's a suspect or something, some 17-year-old. I remember reading. Oh, one of the kids in the movie. Ooh, clever. Question time. Question time. Let's do this. So, if you want to leave your own questions for us to answer on this segment of Sardonicasse,

head over to the Sardonicast, Reddit, where Ralph will pin a thread. You can ask us any question you like in there if it's good enough. Right, so let's start with one from Bean. bomb who says, kind of weird question, but since you guys have all made fun of shitty religious movies, I was curious and wondered if any of you were assigned to make a religious movie. What do you

think you would do different to make it good? Or at the very least, not a piece of shit. Oh, there's plenty you can do. Like, shoot it competently and get talented actors and get talented, like, composer. That helps a lot. Like,

these movies have none of that. It's like no one gives a fuck. And they're often so... makes commercials. They're so literal, aren't they a lot of the time? Like what they're doing with like that Nicholas Cage movie where they're on a plane or whatever. And it's like all these really blatant, no subtlety at all adaptations of these basically propaganda type properties. I feel like to make people attach to it and not just poo poo it away because of it being based on religious kind of text, you need to be more clever about it. I think of like the original Life of Pie story is way more subtle in that.

sense and it's exploring a concept as opposed to just being this is propaganda yeah I don't have any issue with the lens that a film wants to portray it's a matter of whether or not that supersedes the film itself are you making a movie or are you making propaganda if you call your movie a Christian movie chances are you're just making propaganda and you don't really care about whether or not there's actual qualities to the film to make it entertaining or well made, you're just there to preach your religious message. Right.

To start with, I want to preach this message. Message is not a good way to tell a story or an entertaining movie. So usually there's directors who are really talented and make really good religious films like Martin Scorsese who made Last Citation of Christ and Silence, which he made a few years ago, which is great. I love silence.

And those films are about, yeah, they're fantastic. And they're about religion. And they're about questioning faith and all of these very complicated things, but they're very well-made movies, and there's subtlety to it. He's not, like, beating you over the head with it. Have you guys seen The Prince of Egypt?

Because that's quite a literal adaptation of, you know, stories from the Bible. I saw it a long time ago. A fan-favored kind of movie. Very high regard, so. Yeah. Check it out again. People constantly go on about it.

Yeah. One day on the show, maybe. Yeah. I definitely saw it, I think, in church. Oh, really? I don't know if you guys know this, but I was raised religious. even though I'm not now.

And as soon as this question was asked, I got flashbacks to a video that I actually did for my confirmation class. I don't even remember. I vaguely remember parts of it. I remember the weird, really, really gay kid that insists he's not gay. I cast him as Jesus.

And he, like, did a little dance and faded into the background and, like, ran away whenever he solved someone's problems. Yeah. literally just show up like oh just remember this from the bible goodbye and then like neil breen disappear sort of thing yeah oh yeah so i guess to answer the question how do you make a good religious movie same way you make any other movie it's just how you make a good movie yeah treat it like

a movie and not propaganda it's basically as simple as that and it just has a catholic or christian message in it yeah who cares it's usually catholic and christian those are what most movies are about... Isn't Catholic Christian? Isn't Catholic a denomination? Yeah, I guess... I'm Roman Catholic. So I guess, yeah, I guess I make the differentiation.

Mm. Hmm. Anyway. Mm-hmm. Next question. That's scary, man. Mr. Bump, 465 asks, Outside of the infamous Wilhelm scream,

what sound effects are you sick of hearing and take you out of the movie slash show slash game there's one that's driving me fucking insane and it's like the door creak sound effect yeah and everybody's door sounds the same I'm glad you

notice it too it's I don't know anybody else I can talk to about this it's driving me insane is it the same I think it it is I've heard that door creek before and then in some movies they use it like twice and within five minutes the fucking the strangers prey at night they just spammed it

they didn't use it at the thing Oh, they did. I wanted to make like a compilation video at one point and then I guess I forgot about it. So I had a note on my phone of like every one I had noticed or like every film that it's included it. Somebody should do that because it's everywhere. Did the question say I can't say the violin? I mean, that's not. Okay.

So yeah, the violin is. But it's not. I hate that. It's not like the same sound effects you sick of here. That violin is a sound effect. It's a sound. It's a plug-in sound effect that they just use over and over. It's like, I fucking hate it.

It is cheap, yeah. It's too easy. And movies still use it. I still hear it all the time. Oh, yeah. I guess, like, a close second is, um, there's this, like, SpongeBob square pants, his front door makes this sound. It's like a submarine door opening. Right.

And I hear it so many, I hear it in so many movies. And fucking, yeah, I always just think back to SpongeBob. It's very distracting. Any movie that's in a submarine, basically. Yeah. I always hear the, uh, I always hear the, uh, alarm sound effect, the very one that I always use. The iPhone ones of movies. That's really distracting to me.

Yeah, the iPhone one. Any movie like pre the 2000s uses it like because they didn't, it didn't even exist back then. Yeah. So no one had like any awareness of it. Punch drunk love when he is in the apartment building and he tries to, he goes out at the emergency exit. That's the sound effect. It was in Futurama. I just, I was just watching season one.

It's in there. I've seen so many bad comedies at this point that I know all the fart sound effects that they use. It's so, like, they never make new ones. So it's always like, well, that's Fart SoundFit 3. Great. Yeah, especially like, because now there's so much YouTube content and people are just going to search free sound effects on YouTube. And someone's uploaded the entire library of just these ones that have been in movies for a while. Yeah.

There's more screams than just. It's a really specific problem to have, but yeah. There's Howie. Are you guys bothered by the Wilhelm scream or the Howie? When it's used unironically, yes. When it's used in a way that's clearly not poking fun at it. If it's in Star Wars, it's like, okay, well, they just do that. That's a part of it.

If it belongs in, like, pulpy kind of movies, then I have no problem with it. But it is really distracting. Yeah, if it's in a scene. Something that's supposed to be sillier. Yeah, if it's in like a drama or something, takes itself seriously, it's really distracting. I don't think I've. ever seen it in that context. There's some unnamed ones, or if they have a name, I don't know what it is, but there's

some female screams that I hear all the time. They were used in, like, some sound effects for some early M&M songs and then World War Z. Oh, yeah. And it's just like, if you need a sound effect there, why are you using something that people have heard a billion times? Like, sure, the average audience member won't notice. But how difficult is it to just record someone's scream?

Just for like, just bring them in for like an hour Not even. Bring them in for like 10 minutes. And then you can license the recording and make money off of it. Ooh, yeah. Genius. So people should do that. There's like a, the crowd gasp sound effect. Oh!

Yeah, basically any audience sound effect now sounds fake as fuck. I feel like I've heard every single one from sitcoms. Baby crying as well, that's a funny one. Yeah, because that's a hard one again. right you have to bring a baby into the studio so there's only like three that exist yeah yeah yeah get a friend with a baby and pinch it in front of a microphone yeah easy god say cry oh my god i've heard that sound effect remember that robin hood russell crow movie it was like shot like saving private ryan i didn't watch it i remember it was awful but it has that baby crying

sound effect in it during this really like depressing scene where like these people are getting murdered and there's a baby there and it's like a fucking cartoon baby crying like wheeh! Weh! It's so good. That's pretty good. Recommend that one. Just highlights how important the sound is, man. There's some animal ones, too.

There's like, I think Good Time used the stock dog sound effect. Stop ruining my favorite movie, Adam. It's not your favorite movie right now, is it? No, it's not. Did it get replaced? No, Good Time is my favorite movie. Oh, that's a great movie. It is a great movie.

Their new one came out. You saw it, right? Yes, I did. It was great. Yeah, briefly. Adam Sandler one. briefly what? Is he funny?

You're asking me about the movie? It was great. I made a quickie on it if you guys want to see. Yeah, I gave my thoughts on that. Have you guys seen the trailer or no? No, I don't know anything. No, I don't watch trailers now. Well, why don't you watch my quickie

and just don't look at the video if you don't want to know anything about it? Okay. Okay. That works. Yeah. Because I don't really spoil anything. All right, next question.

Next. some moron named Tom asks a simple question what is the worst scene in any movie full stop what comes to your mind I think of a lot of disaster movie scenes like when she's crushed by the meteor

or like at the very end with Indiana Jones and Kung Fu Panda and Beowel does all of the disaster movie count as a scene it could That's the worst scene. You can just pluck any scene out of it and it's the worst scene ever. Yeah.

What about in movies that aren't like that? Like real movies? Yeah, that's a good question. There's a really bad scene in Ma where they're like pretending to party and have fun and it's the most awkward fucking thing in the world. It's like not even enjoyable. It's like just very uncomfortable. Oh, it's so bad. That might be my worst movie of the year.

There's that. there's like if I'm going to say worst scene it's it's probably going to be something that's like really offensive to me so perhaps perhaps the Antichrist

parody scene in a nymphomaniac because that just that was that was offensive yeah I don't know yeah it's hard to not

my mind just instantly goes to um George Lucas for some reason nice A lot of like just not understanding some of the things he created and why they're good. Whether it be like the fridge scene in the Fourth Indiana Jones or Yoda jumping around with a lightsaber or Darth Vader screaming no. There are lots of choices in those movies that are like, what are you doing? This is just so emblematic of a bigger issue right now.

Yeah, I agree with that. Mine from a real movie is a scene from The Last Air Vendor when Ang free, the earth benders. Oh, that's a great big. There's an episode of The Last Air Vender, which is a great show, where they sneak onto some ship, like a firebender ship,

and they have a bunch of earthbenders like doing coal or something, like putting coal into the furnaces, and they free them. And so they decided to adapt this scene into the movie. But instead, the earthbenders are just like on ground, just dirt,

and they decide not to eartheners. bend or do anything to escape until Ang comes in and gives this horrible monologue and then they all escape. They just decide to start earthbending at that point. The scene is fucking awful and what makes it even worse is that

it had that great episode to like kind of adapt and it just totally fail. When the movie has the blueprints and somehow... It had the blueprints of something great and it somehow made like one of the worst movies ever. Yeah. And that's M. It sucks. Yeah. I mean

The kid rapping from the visit Is among one of the worst scenes For me, for sure I feel like M. Knight movies have a lot of Like the happening, there's a lot of really bad scenes Oh shit, I got a good one The basketball scene from Catwoman Oh, that's notorious

That might be my pick I'm gonna say basketball scene from Catwoman What about the scene where she goes to the party And shuts off the radio? Basketball scenes better Almost as bad Basketball scenes like so much more confusing. Like, what the fuck are you trying to do here? Is this supposed to be hot? Like, what is this?

All these, like, weird butt shots, the cinematography, when everything about it, like, the whole concept of the scene is just so ludicrous. And you have to wonder why it wasn't just cut from the movie. Yeah. Did that come out after Daredevil, the Ben Affleck Daredevil? Because that movie has a similar scene. We're like, like Electro and Daredevil fight on the playground. That's pretty funny. It reminded me of that. Yeah, it was really funny. I wonder which one came. I miss those superhero movies. Yeah, the really bad ones that are like funny bad,

not like Dark Phoenix versus boring. Yeah. Yeah, where it's like a corporate manufactured boring movie. Yeah, I want movies to take some risks and be awful. We need more Pitoff. Mm-hmm. And do they bowl. Yes.

Yeah. That legend. A dumb Marvel fanboy has one for us. What is for you the best, the best movie of 1999. Just so you understand how great that year was for cinema, here's a list of a few of the movies to come out that year. American Beauty, Fight Club, The Matrix, Magnolia,

being John Malkovich, Toy Story 2, Iron Giant, eyes wide shut, audition, straight story, American movie, The Sixth Sense, Green Mile, Boys Don't Cry, Sleepy Hollow, all about my mother and many more. God damn, that was a good year. Austin Powers, the spy who shagged me. Epic. It's my favorite one.

You serious? I guess fight clubs like a close second. Well, the Phantom Menace too, of course. Oh, nice. My favorites, probably, from that year, would be being John Melkovich and The Matrix and audition. However, there are two from that year that I feel as though if I'm, rewatched them at this point because I only watched them when I was like 15 or something. If I watched them at this point, they might get the spot.

And those would be Eyes Wide Shut and Magnolia. So I have high expectations for a rewatch of those films. I really love Eyes Wide Shut. I thought that was really interesting that movie. That would be up there high for me. I also really like American Beauty, obviously. I think it's so famous at this point. Have you watched it since the whole Kevin Spacey thing, though?

I have. Oh, yeah, you said you did. I did a few months ago. Yeah, it didn't ruin the movie for me somehow, because the character is kind of a creep in the movie, so it almost enhanced it and, like, improved the message of how fucked, like, it is just, like, mocking that whole American dream and what is more, you know, representative of that than fucking Kevin Spacey, an actor in real life actually just using his powers. to do what he did and all that. So it didn't ruin it that much. It ruined Baby Driver more for me when I rewatch that semi recently because he's supposed to be like, yeah, I'm kind of a good guy by the end

and I'm helping out the make. And it's like some of the dialogue, the balls on that kid and stuff like that. That line. Really, really weird. Yeah, yeah. It didn't sit well. It's just like a meta distraction. That's just like, come on, come on.

straight story David Lynch that's a good one I haven't seen it did we say iron giant I would probably say Iron Giants on that list yeah

yeah it's actually a really difficult one for me to decide like overall just one I'd have to do I'd have to sit down and do like a like a proper

proper Adam style like these are my top of the whole year kind of thing Toy Story 2 was that year too I love Toy Story 2 yeah toy story 2 is great holy fuck 99

I just realized actually that it seems as though any year with nine at the end you get a lot of good movies 2009, 2019 2019 yeah there's a lot of good movies in 2019

um we'll see the rest of the year last time you guys saw when was the last time you saw the Matrix the original? I want to do the trilogy on this podcast at some point we have to man because it's

I feel like I'm the last time I saw it, I wasn't that into it. And that was quite a few years ago now. It could be different now. Yeah. I, um, not this week, though. I'm pretty busy. No.

I'll wait until I have a bit more time for the three movie. Yeah, we'll definitely do that. I'm up for that. Just a whole episode on those. Yeah. And the animatrix. Oh. Yeah, I never saw that.

What? You've never seen it? No, it's a, it's a movie. It's like, it's a, it's kind of like, yeah, it's like a, yeah, it's like a, it's like a, yeah, it's like anthology thing. So in the same way, you know how like love death robots is a bunch of different shorts. This is just like a feature length, kind of the same deal, different animation styles. Set in the universe.

Yeah. But not. I'm surprised you guys haven't seen it. It's actually pretty great. I remember good things about it. I mean, not every sequence is great. Or I really like the Matrix, I'll say. I loved it as a kid.

But the sequels, I never got into those. And then after that, I just kind of gave up on it. That's so bad. I'm a big Matrix fan. Mm-hmm. I get it. the world is cool. I just gave up on those last two movies. They're making another one.

Of course they are because why wouldn't they? Choski, hype. Just let it die. Just let it die. Let these harder zombies. Where's my Jupiter Ascending sequel? Exactly. That's the thing though, is like I love

Wachowski movies even if they're bad ones. They're like in the same as M. Night for me. I love Jupiter ascending. It's hilarious. It's hilarious how bad it is. Eddie Redmayne's performance is one of the worst things I've seen. But then they made Cloud Atlas right before it,

or maybe was it since 8 before that, I guess? But they made Cloud Atlas, like, relatively recently. And that was really good. I thought that was really ambitious and ball-main. And interesting, yeah. I liked parts of it. Wasn't a big fan of the whole thing, though. Well, there's parts that are very goofy.

And I wasn't a fan of, like, everyone's in different makeup. like Tom Hanks is an old woman in this timeline. It's very distracting. The whole Asian-face thing. It's now a white woman. It's like it looked. It's just, I wasn't offended by it. It just looked distracting and fake.

It didn't need to be there. You could have cast someone else or found a way around it. All right. What was the question? Oh yeah, favorite movies are 90. Yeah. I think we all gave our answers. Yeah.

Awesome powers. We have an interesting one here from A. who says, The new Joker movie has received controversy with some people seeming to think that it is socially irresponsible and promoting violence. Other films such as taxi driver and do the right thing receive similar controversies when they were released. Are there any films that you genuinely think are socially irresponsible? And if so, why? I have one if you guys want to think for a second.

Yes. But it is a documentary. Does that count, I guess? Really bad documentary called What the Health? it's basically like vegan propaganda that was that's pretty irresponsible

to just twist facts in that way and present them like they're true and they actually really aren't if you put any scrutiny behind what they're saying all my answers would be documentaries if I made like I would have to go back throughout my whole life but I've seen so many like alien

documentary Bigfoot fucking JFK was killed by this guy and not whatever like so much bullshit like that and I get annoyed when documentaries try to present things like that in a realistic way without having any facts to back it up. But for like fictional movies, it's like, yeah, it's fiction. Like social irresponsibility, don't watch it then.

It's fiction. I guess you could find some examples, but. There's certainly cases to make. And I would never say, I would never say that films should be censored because they are presenting an idea that's socially irresponsible. I would never say, hey, you shouldn't be showing. showing this like you can acknowledge whether or not it's socially irresponsible like what taxi driver wound up inspiring some mentally unstable guy to shoot somebody like it's a if there's one example I could give it would be the Netflix show 13 reasons why because it's aimed at young

people and it's glorifying suicide even if they pretend it's not it really fucking is and there are numbers to back up that that actually had an influence after the show. Damage control response to it after that first season. Just do a PSA. So paranoid about it now. That was made for that demographic and it had very bad messages. So yeah, that's a good example of like a really bad one.

But taxi driver is like an art film. And some guys saw it who was nuts probably and misinterpreted the movie. Yeah, you can say that about a lot of films. You can say that Fight Club inspired people to. I don't know this story. It's something to do with Jody Foster. This guy read a book and then murdered his stuff. senator. I don't know the fucking story, but it's some bullshit like that. There's like crazy people

misinterpret art all the time and use it as an excuse to do something. Like we can't censor art or I guess you can denounce art or criticize it. I think that's fine. That's what we do. It's great, but to actually censor it. Yeah. You could you could take anything and use it as justification for your crazy rampage or whatever you're going to do. People use the Bible for that shit, you know. Bible. They can use anything. Some people are just fucking nuts. Yeah, you're the only one who's seen Joker at this point.

So how do you specifically feel about this film enticing this kind of response already? It's not even out yet at the time of recording. Well, it's, I think that... Does it make sense? Seeing the film, I would say that there is an argument to make that the film is socially irresponsible. but I feel like it is almost equally socially irresponsible for all of these articles to come out and sort of hype this idea up and be like because now what there's like an FBI notice that they sent out talking about clown cells

and to watch out for like the they're like banning costumes at at screenings of the Joker in certain cinemas and it's like okay well now this is you're hyping it up to the point where someone at least is going to film some dumb fucking prank video and go in with a Bluetooth speaker and some gunshot sound effects and be a fucking idiot and nobody's going to be happy. I'm just like, I just hope that the movie screens and it's fine and there are no incidents or whatever, no matter how serious or unsurious they are. But I think it's a little irresponsible to be promoting that idea, even if you're being critical of the film itself. Because now it's just the fucking, right? Yeah, yeah. Right. So in terms of how the film treats its characters, yes, it is 100% whether intentionally or not glorifying this sort of like, oh, society treated me wrong. Well, I'm going to show them sort of thing. Like 100% it does that. So there is an argument to make, but I would never call for censorship of the film based on that. Yeah. They must be extra paranoid because wasn't there literally a shooting where someone was dressed as the Joker? That's actually have.

some misinformation because the guy who did that in Aurora, although he died his hair, it had nothing to do with the Joker. And he died his hair orange. This is the Dark Night Rises. Yeah, it was the popular movie at the time. If the Dark Night wasn't in theaters, it would have been another movie. And when investigators or whoever found this out after the fact, they just didn't bother, you know, creating this extra news cycle to correct it because they were like, okay, well, why would we do that? Like, it's distracting from the tragedy anyway. So now everybody believes that it's a guy that was inspired by the Joker because it was The Dark Night Rises when there's nothing to support that. And there's quotes from the guy in prison being like, oh, yeah, everybody thinks I did that. And

well, I mean, it's kind of cool because now I'm like a celebrity. Like, fuck. So. Yeah. That's really interesting. I didn't know. Yeah. Apparently there's misinformation about fucking everything. Apparently the internet sucks. Apparently we all have a bunch of unconscious biases and believe a lot of bullshit. But what can you do? I'm just glad I saw the movie in Canada. Whatever.

I'm curious about that movie, man. Weekly Canada dick sucking of the podcast. I'm curious to see Joker. By the time next podcast rolls around, we will all see it, right? Yeah, is it out in the UK? Okay. Almost?

Yeah, it'll be out. Okay. It'll be out this Friday. Okay, cool. I hope I make it out of the theater, but... Yeah. Me too. It's an even joke.

No, you're in Canada. You're all good. Yeah, exactly. Well, hopefully. I'll just bring my gun with me so I can defend myself. America. It fucking sucks that this is even a conversation. It fucking sucks that we have to talk about, like, the likelihood of a shooting occurring at a film.

because of a film yeah yeah it's mental have you actually have you seen any like up security in like cinemas now Ralph any no but they don't allow you to like wear any shit covering your face or anything you know right

you're strict with that you can't bring any big bags in but it's not like going into a prison or anything it's not theater like theater shootings are not common they're not at all time it's It's mainly schools and just large, random, just random large public places, you know, parks and whatever malls, that kind of stuff. Yeah.

A theater is just another place, these fucking people, whatever. Always know where your exits are. Yeah. Beyond that, you're just the part of the universe and probability. Chances are it's not going to happen. You have more of a likelihood of getting hit by a car on your way to the movie than getting shot up in the movie. Yeah. That's true.

Or getting heart disease and just having a heart attack on the way of the movie. You could just stay in your house your whole life and you'll probably be okay. As long as you get food. But the majority of accidents occur within the home. Oh, yeah? I don't know. I think so. I think so.

all right so we have something here we need to decide if we even want to talk about but we need to address it because it is just asked so often for some reason multiple questions asking the same goddamn question I'll just read it okay you don't have to answer if you don't want to Vince is depressed is the angling I take it from with the last two recommendations being two of the hottest movies

of all time has there ever been an actor or actress or seen in a movie where you had to pause the movie, whip your dick out and jerk off. P.S. Adam, your answer can't be scar from the Good Lion King. I love that it's just called the Good Lion King. Oh, that's so funny. There are multiple questions.

Like, this is a recurring one for some reason that I keep seeing, people constantly asking. That's really funny. During a movie. It's like, that is the question? I've never interrupted a movie to jerk off. Yeah. I've never been like, oh, this is too important.

Have I gotten a boner during a movie? Of course. You can get a boner for any reason. I've never stopped a movie so I can jerk off. Yeah, I've never stopped a movie to do that. Yeah, it's a little odd. Wait till the movie's over at least. Yeah.

But the question's like, what's a scene that we think is hot? I guess, yeah. Yeah, go for it. You going? Who wants to answer? Oh I was I was obsessed with

those awful Resident Evil movies I love Mila What's the name? Yovovich? Jovovich? Yeah Yeah when I was like 12

That was my Sexual awakening In a sense with that one Right Alexander Didario and true detective I guess that scene Yeah It's a good scene

I can't specify any specific scenes, really. There's not one that, like, sticks out to my mind, but yeah, that's how I feel. I was just going to be one scene, like, in the portfolio. It's going to be an awkward answer, no matter what. It's going to be from some kids movie and some anthro character.

Some fucking big daddy lion guy. Fucking Thai lungs pretty hot. Kung Fu Panda. There you go. Oh, damn. That's why you prefer the first over the second then. Oh, that probably. Probably. Probably. That's why. Oh, dear.

Well, let's jump from that one, because we've answered that now, and it's never going to be picked again. So we've had it. All right. J.H. NPA asks actors slash actresses. You can't stand. I am less likely to see a movie if it has Jesse Eisenberg in it. Although I did like the social network. I am less likely to see a movie if he is in it.

Also, not very fond of Lucas Hedges. not very fun of... I feel like you mentioned in before. A few different people. Marlon Wains? Hmm. Fucking terrible comedian. Really not funny.

And he's in one of my favorite movies, which makes him even worse. Reck Wayne for a Dream. He's good in it, too. I always forget he's in that movie. Yeah. It's very good. It's such strange casting, but yeah, it worked out at that time.

Yeah, too. The Rock. I can't stand him, man. You mean Dwayne Johnson. if they can call, I don't know if the USC took those rights away. Dwayne. Dwayne. It's probably a contractual thing too.

I'm not a rock anymore. I'm Dwayne. I'm a Dwayne. No rock I'm Dwayne. Although he has a chance to redeem himself because when I was seeing Ad Astra, there was an ad for the new Jumanji movie, which looks fucking terrible. Of course. The rock is playing Danny DeVito, which is just bizarre. like he's Danny DeVito is the rock

nice that's that's really how far like these movies now are literally just like Reddit like ideas just as movies like there's that movie that's being made with Brian Reynolds of course where he like plays an NPC in a video game that finds out he's in a video game so just Reddit the movie like all of this shit

that's being made now I'm not a big fan of Dennis Quaid I'm not a big fan of Jacob Tremblay this child actor who's being promoted to shit who's not going to have a career as soon as he stops being a cute kid and it's just

it pisses me off that you're just setting him up for failure he was in room he was the kid in room he was in the predator um uh yeah Yeah, I know the one. He's in Dr. Sleep, apparently.

He's a... I don't wait. He's in a bunch of shit. Oh, yeah. But... Sorry if you're listening, Jacob. Oh, the Book of Henry? Was he in that?

I don't know. Maybe. Oh, yeah, yeah, he was. That was a good movie. Classic. Oh, dear you, me. Actors I don't like seeing. I'm trying to think of a good movie.

female one. I've said only male. Bella Thorne is an actress I can't stand. She's really, really bad, and she's in, like, a lot of lifetime movies, which is where she belongs, given her talent. Kristen Stewart? Midnight's son.

Kristen Stewart's a bad one. Yeah. Jennifer Lawrence kind of... Oh, yeah. I think she's good, though. I just think... Yeah, I think she's talent. Depending on the role. Yeah, yeah. Depending on the role. A lot of people think that Kristen Stewart has had the same kind of redemptive arc as Robert Pattinson.

But I don't think so. Because Robert Pattinson, I've seen the movies that he's done and he's done a great job in them. And Kristen Stewart won like the French equivalent to an Academy Award for one of her performances. And I saw the movie. It was Clouds of Sils Maria. And she was bad. I don't get it. And I don't get it.

And everybody's like, no, she's a great actor, no. And I'm just, she's still mumbling every single fucking word. There's no emotion. I hadn't even seen Twilight. And all I knew about it was people saying like, oh, she just mumbles the entire time and doesn't express emotion. And I didn't even see those movies. I watched Cloud of Sils Maria. And I'm like, oh, this is what was happening in Twilight?

Or was it worse? Because now people are saying she's good. Was it worse in Twilight? And maybe people were so desensitized to it that all of a sudden they're like, oh, yeah, she can act now. I don't get it. I don't get it. In no way have they had the same redemption arc. In my opinion.

Robert Pence is in like theatrically released movies. Like Lighthouse and Good Time, like these huge films. I haven't even seen anything she's been in in like five years. They usually go straight to VOD, at least in America. Because you're not in France. I don't know if she does like French movies now. Yeah, she does just French movies now. She wasn't speaking French.

It was like a French director. I don't remember. Yeah. It was a French. director. It was like personal shopper she was into and some other thing with like Chloe Svenia. If that's how you say her fucking name. I can't pronounce anything. But it's like I never fucking hear these movies. Yeah. The what's her face from the happening? What's her name? Zoe DeCinelle. Zoe DeCinelle. Yeah, she's really bad. She can be annoying. She was the manic pixie dream girl of that

sort of age. Yeah, the big eyes. The constant. Wow. You're my girlfriend? This is the best. Yeah, depends. There's a lot of actors I don't really care for. Jai Courtney. Mark Wahlberg for me? Yeah. Really?

Yeah. Well, I can't, I can't not see Mark Woolberg. Depends. I wouldn't say he's unlikable or hard to watch. Did you enjoy The Departed? I love him in the happening. He's good at the Departite. I did enjoy it.

Yeah. But he wasn't like a standout or anything. He just happened to be in it. He can either be. terrible or acceptable. He's nominated for two Oscars. Jesus Christ. The Departed and a fighter. Oh yeah, the fighter.

I forgot about that. How about Bruce Willis nowadays? Maybe not back in the day. He was one of the best, but now he's really phoning it in. Yeah, if he's in a movie at this point, I expect it to be bad. Yeah, it's like a total joke. I saw another one with him recently. There's like a scene where he's like a younger Bruce Willis and they Ciged his beard to be brown.

you see they just like painted over it it's awful it's from the same director as reprisal the prince that's it if anyone wants to watch that you know because you love Bruce Wallace movies I do

so is Gemini Man coming out October 11th for you Alex because I'm fucking hyped for Gemini Man I forgot about it was kind of hyped because it looked kind of funny but the last trailer I saw was like oh this might just be real Boredy boring. Dude, it's got a 33 meta score.

It's the perfect sweet spot for like a funny movie. It better be. Freaking better be. Yeah, it's out Thursday, 10th October, I believe. Nice. So we can see that by next podcast too. Yeah, I'll try to catch it. Excellent.

I'm fucking hype. I'll see it if you guys see it. Yeah, boy. Let's do one more. Let's end it with this one from Pai Lotto City, bro, who says, what are your takes on the Ardaman movies? see they're more beloved over here in England, probably one of the only things that actually makes me

like this country. That was the question saying it, not me. But I'm interested to see what the non-English Sards. Is that what we call them? Think of them. If they translate that well for people who live in those territories, God, this comment has written so bizarrely

parentheses after parentheses. And just so we're clear, we're talking pre-flushed away post-pirates, Ardman. Your chicken runs, your Wallace and Grom, is you're shorn the sheep's that's Ardman at its most authentic word

God damn reading that was hard Wow we can't we can't mention flushed away or any of those Well flushed away sucks So we don't need to mention it Like it's not really representative Arthur Christmas is an Ardman film

Which is like CGIA It's not their traditional lot But and I would say that's a great Christmas movie Yeah that one's actually for kids I think it's got really good jokes in it It's really original and funny Yeah They ain't got nothing on the stop motion.

They ain't got nothing. That's their classic. Sean the sheep is really funny. My favorite is the Wall and Grommets. They translate really well, I think, to America, because they're just so clever and funny. And, like, people just love the designs and the animations of all of them. So charming. The one with the penguin, who's disguised as a chicken, because he has a glove on his head.

The wrong trousers. The wrong trousers. That one's fucking excellent. Yeah. And the animation is so. creative and funny in that like the whole chase at the end when Gromit is like laying down the train tracks as like they're running out and he's laying them down as the train is going it's so funny yeah I uh I'm not big into him no I remember liking chicken run when I was younger

um if Wallace and Gromit was like on then I might watch it but I never like seeked them out or anything I never really is it a bit too pit pit pit cheerio for you Come on, comment. That might be it. I don't know. Do you like Sean the Sheep more? Do you like the silent humor? Not as British?

I didn't watch the whole Sean the Sheep. I think I watched the first 10 minutes and was like, this is not for me and shut it off. Okay. Sorry, everybody. It's definitely a kid film. It's very kiddie. Sean the Sheep is, yeah. Yeah, I would not recommend it for, like, teenagers.

I'd be willing to revisit Chicken Run, because that would be like a bit nostalgic for me, for sure. I remember watching it a few times when I was younger. Chicken run is really great. Wilson Gromit movie. You guys seen that one? It's really, because that's a dream one too. It's not as good as the shorts.

I also don't like the, they made another short too. A matter of loaf and death. Yeah. Which is good, but it's not as good as those original. It's not as good as the original three, but yeah,

it's got some great moments in it. They're somewhat charming. And then there's like the Pirates movie. There's like early man. I didn't see any of those, but those don't really treat. translate as well here. Yeah, I'm gonna be able to see those ones.

They're not really for me. I don't know. I've never really loved them, so. They're short, too. The Ardman, their first short that kind of put them on the map. Yeah, with, uh, it's like people

talking about animals, right? But the animated, the creature comforts, yeah. Creature comforts, yeah. That one's really funny. Yeah, I love Ardman, obviously. It's the stereotype, I guess. Yep. You fucking brink-bong. Eat some Wednesday

Day Aladdin I think all that British stuff is so funny That's why I like Wallace and Gromit the most Because it has the silent humor Which comes from Gromit mostly But it also has Wallace

Who's like the You know The speaking role He tells all the The gag like that It's really funny Yeah At least clueless

So I think it's my turn To recommend a movie Yes That's right Yes So since Joker's coming out And King of Comedy Comparations

Are being flung around I figured King of Comedy is a good decision. I wanted to watch it. So let's watch King of Comedy by Martin Scorsese. Second Scorsese film, but he's worth it. Because he's worth it. Awesome. King of Comedy.

Is that the second Scorsese film or the third that we talked about now? I think second. Is it just the one? Yeah, we've only done. Yeah, we've only done after hours, yeah. We've mentioned like other, we've mentioned silence just before. Yeah. In terms of like in-depth discussion.

Okay. great um awesome great pick i'm excited for this actually uh if you do not want to be spoiled for king of comedy directed by martin scorsese then watch it before the next episode if you want to support the show two dollars a month sardonicast dot com sign up for premium you'll get these episodes early as they're edited also patreon dot com slash sardonicast also we have merch link in the description Thank you all for joining. Hope you don't get forced to eat poop. Get shot.

Or get shot or any of the other morbid things we talked about this entire episode. Good discussion. What a fun show. Yeah, a really dark one. Well, that's why I want to liven it up. Next episode, we got King of Comedy. So it'll be fun. Hopeless Space movie, then Hopeless, Fascist movie.

Torture. Great. Everyone's going to be Got a big smile on their face Like the fucking Joker at home through this one But the poster says it's no laughing matter So I think that's supposed to be like ironic

Oh That's clever I wouldn't know That's genius Very good Todd Phillips All right Thank you all for listening Bye bye

Thank you Thanks everybody Bye