Sardonicast - Sardonicast #45: Gemini Man, Joker, King of Comedy

Episode Date: October 21, 2019

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Three, two, one, be gay sports. It's being gay. Remember when they used to that exact same intro? I love that, thanks, sports. It's in the game. So cheesy. Oh, yeah. I'm Adam from your movie sex.

I almost forgot. This is Sardotic. I'm Ralph from YouTube.com slash Ralph the movie maker. I'm Alex from O.H.E. It's in the game. I was debating doing the exact same congratulations one again, because you actually hit 2 million cents. But I didn't want to confuse people thinking it was the wrong episode.

You jinxed it. Well, I mean... How much were you off by? It wasn't a lot. That's a few weeks, at least. Yeah. It was like almost a month of weeks. Yeah. Shit.

It's your fault, Alex. It's your fault for jinxing it. No, no, it's because you said you hate pineapple on pizza. That's why everybody... That's why nobody subscribed anymore. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. Am I wrong?

Are you wrong? from that? Oh, no, you're not wrong. That's the correct opinion. Oh, am I the lone person who will eat pineapple on pizza here? Elaborate, though. What do you mean by will eat? Will you choose? Hawaiian? Why not? It's a, it's a topping. So we got a degenerate on the cast then? Uh-oh. Fine then. I don't understand why this became such a huge issue in the past few years. That's what I'm confused about. It's just funny. It never used to be an issue. Yeah. It's just some people are, are like, is a, is a hot dog a sandwich. It's one of those kind of debates. I'm not sure. I'm not sure because that's just like classification, right? It's not, is it still a pizza?

It's like, it's very clearly a pizza topping. There are just some people that hate it. Like, with a fiery passion. It's like, why would you put it on? Yeah, you could put just a chocolate bar on top, but that doesn't make any sense. It's a topping that makes no sense. At least chocolate is delicious. I feel like it's one of those regional things because, like, I used to hate seafood until I moved to the coast. Uh-huh. And it's like, oh, wait, seafood's actually good. I just live in the wrong spot for seafood.

Maybe everybody who hates pineapple on pizza just has shit pineapple. Maybe that's true. No, it's possible. It's entirely possible. Very far away from anywhere where pineapples grow. I don't know how it works, but I think it's a perfectly acceptable topping. It's fine, I feel like it, but I think it should be illegal. Okay.

Yeah, well. It's fine if you like it, but you're a degenerate. Just my opinion. Yeah. It's just opinions, guys. Exactly. Alex actually got a pretty cool fucking gift for his 2 million subscriber. An amazing gift.

Yes. And a Sardonika's related gift. I got to throw out a big shout-out thank you to Harry. I'm not going to docks him any more than that. but he happened to have a spare ticket for London Film Fest to the Lighthouse, which was a sold-out screening, really popular. And I just managed to sneak in there right at the last moment. And had an awesome time.

We're going to talk about the movie, not this episode, but in the future shortly when Ralph's able to see it. But yeah, it was an awesome experience, especially because I've never been to a film fest before. Awesome. And what made it even better is that, Harry actually works in the film industry. Oh.

So when I first sat down and said hello to him, he said, yeah, I work on sets. And I was like, oh, anything I'd know. Yeah, show dogs is one of them. Actually, a lot of films you've made videos on. I was like, oh, Jesus, I froze up, I thought it was like a trap and I was about to be taken up. But no. You got to be publicly shamed. Yeah.

This guy's against the film industry. He hates us. everybody look no it was really funny he was a cool guy and there were also a couple of other sards there too oh yeah

well georgia and elena so shout out to them too one of them specifically mentioned they were there on your recommendation Adam sir awesome you're spreading the love for the lighthouse yeah I think it attracts a decent amount of attention

when I give something a 10 to people that watch my shit at least is that what we're calling our fan base now sards sards just because of that question we had like a few weeks ago. I don't remember. It's just so weird to me.

Sards. Okay. Sardines. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Sardinites. It's awful. I like sards.

It's simple. Yeah, but it's close to sodomites. Sure, but whatever. It's like one in the same. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. I thought you were going to say that they worked at Dreamworks or something.

I was waiting for that reveal. That would have been too much late heaven. How was your first film festival experience as like just the film festival itself other than the movie, which we'll talk about next episode? The actual experience? One of my best movie watching moments, that's for sure. Because I rant and rave about how bad audiences are in the UK, because especially around where I am.

Just terrible. Like when I saw Gemini Man, awful experience. the difference is everyone is so enthused to like the next level at a film fest so they they sit they sit down they shut up and they're silent and then afterwards you can like feel the energy and the love for like the director came out and willem defoe came out and it's just a cool energy to all awesome which is way more likable and yeah sort of inspiring than you know the average kind of dour experience for you know any old guff you'd see like jemini man There's been a couple bad experiences with audience members at film festivals before, but for the most part, majority of screenings, especially at TIF, very respectful audience, very high energy for enthusiasm. You know, like everybody's there because they want to see the movie, not because they're looking to kill time or they're on a date and they don't know what to do. You know, so it's a much better crowd. For sure, yeah. Yeah, I'm excited to see it this Thursday.

Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah. Oh wait, that's tomorrow. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, we'll talk about it next episode. Yeah.

My favorite film fest movie that I've ever seen is a little unknown indie film called Gemini Man. What's that? It's a groundbreaking new film where the intended format is so extreme that there's no theater in North America that can actually play it. Yeah, the way it's intended to be seen. 120 frames per second. Yeah. Can someone explain this to me? That's the way it's meant to be seen.

Yeah. It's been downgraded everywhere. Basically, the best theaters can do 2K, 120 frames per second 3D, which is not the way. And even so, very few theaters have done that. Other theaters will do 4K-60 3D. Yeah, but that's the way he wants it to be seen because that's the best way to see the effect, like the Will Smith clone effect. I guess.

There's so much detail in it. that when you see it in that format, you can make out every little detail on his face. And it's really impressive, apparently. But I just saw it normally. Oh, really? How did you guys see it? Yeah. I saw the high frame rate.

I don't know if it was 60 or 120. It felt like probably 60. Yeah, a lot of theaters did 60. It didn't really specify. It just said high frame rate in my showing. Did it make a difference? It made a difference in terms of it being funnier. It was very distracting and hilarious.

Maybe it hindered your experience for... Maybe. I noticed that you gave a higher rating than not only every... Like, the combined critical rating on both Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes, but also the combined user rating, like, you've rated it higher than I've seen anyone rate it. I know. I thought it was like a solid action science fiction film. I thought it was okay. Like, it's nothing special.

And I'm sure we'll go through the many problems it has. And there's some things about this movie that are not good. The last scene of this film is like embarrassing how bad it is But I think there are good things and elements to like in it And Alex how'd you see it? Yeah High frame rate or no In just the biggest shit hole so it wasn't high frame rate Okay okay so now we don't get to blame the frame rate

It looked like garbage Yeah Well that's a bit unfair It didn't look like garbage but there was some Shaky looking moments for sure With the effects that maybe would have been fixed with the special screen. I don't know.

But the movie was directed by Ang Lee, and I think that elevates it a little more, too, because I thought the movie looked great, and I thought a lot of the action scenes were pretty cool, and there was, like, attention and buildup to them. And a lot of the Will Smith effects and the way he incorporated in the, like, live action stuff that he shot practically,

I thought was really well done, for the most part. I'm not sure I feel the same way. I'm not sure. There were some, like, I mean, the facial animation thing, like, that was pretty cool and groundbreaking until he's shown in the daytime and then you start to see the imperfections and then it's like, oh, that's why the whole movie was dark. Yeah, sometimes it looks really bad, especially at the very end. Yeah. That's all. And just the writing of that scene was just fucking tired.

It's everything about it. Yeah, let's do spoiler warning. I mean, I don't think anybody should care. If you want to see, if it looks interesting to you, go check it out. It's like a solid three out of five for me. It's no twisted pair. Ralph loves it more than anyone else on the planet. Yeah.

Keep in mind. I also love Venom. Yeah. I was thinking of that. When I saw your rating, I kind of like this movie in the same way. Yeah, kind of. But I like this movie more. It's better than Venom.

Yeah. No doubt. I like how it takes itself, like it plays it straight and it's serious for most of it. And Mull Smith is like playing like a normal. guy. He's like a hardcore assassin, but he's dealing with grief and whatever. He's not like goofy Wolfsmith. And I like that. I don't know if normal guy's the right way to put it. Because the only reason they cloned him is because he's the only person that can get a shot like that. So they had to clone him. He's the only one that could kill himself. There's nobody else that could do it.

Clone him twice. I know. Here's what I'm confused about because like the second will smith he he has like memories of him being raised by clive owen he's like his adopted son or something and so like in terms of the cloning process was he raising him the entire time while and then just only used him after a certain amount of time and then when the third will smith comes in it's like wait did he have a side hoe child like did he was he also raising exactly that age he's he's not a baby did they they're get cloned when they were babies? They took, yeah, they took like the DNA sample and they made two babies.

They're just backups. The junior one that he raises and then he made a backup for some reason. That was raised in just like a cave or something and has no emotion. Yeah, just in case. This one can feel emotion. It'll turn on me someday. But listen, that's not that far fetched. I mean, you need to have a backup in case one doesn't work out.

All right. Then let's say you can have that line. Yeah. Where they're like, where you're going to make an army of these clones? Why not? Let's do it. Hey, his rationale made sense. Clive Owen's the busiest dad.

He explained it. Like, he has time to raise two kids and do all this assassin stuff. So, I mean, like, he was the one doing it. It wasn't even like a caretaker. He was like, I'm your dad. One is like a detached sociopath, though, to be fair. Yeah, I thought a lot of the characters were really bland. Yeah.

And, like, a lot of the dialogue was bad. I thought that was the biggest issue with it. It was the exposition for me. that just really just drug it into the dirt and just made it really dull. Because the action scenes, there are a couple of decent ones. They're kind of above average, I'd say, for the most part. But the problem is you have to sit for so long with these boring cardboard cutouts holding bottles of Coke really obviously towards the camera.

It's just like boring, uninteresting garbage. I don't care about any of this. It's so done to death. we've seen this kind of thing a hundred times. The movie's two hours long, and they had plenty of time to develop interesting angles that they just didn't. Like, there's more you could do with it. And by the time it was like an hour and a half through the movie, I realize that there was

no second act, that we were already into the third act closing the film. And there was no second act. Well, what do you mean? Like, things, it just felt like things were set up. It was like there was. It really felt like there was no second act. act in the film. I agree with that. No? Well, like, well, the start of the second act was like when Will Smith and Elizabeth, Mary Elizabeth Winston, they like team up with Wong from Dr. Strange and

they leave. It's like after that action scene where they try to kill her. And that's like the beginning of the second act. The midpoint is when it's revealed that like Will Smith has a clone. That's like the reveal of the younger junior, not the action scene like that they have. It's after that and then yeah so so I don't really agree with that and the end of the second act is like when will Smith teams up the will Smiths both of them team up and they fight Clive Owen I think the third act is when they fight Clive Owen it felt like the whole concept of the film should have like like it felt like what was established with the whole clone thing and and like oh man I'm going to rebel against you even though I was just saying that I wasn't a clone like it felt like that was

was all just one big act when it was finally like, okay, well now let's see where this goes in the story but then it just winds up having to wrap itself up because it took so long to get there. It was structured like an action-adventure film and then at the midpoint they reveal the clone thing and then it becomes

something else. It's weird but I think it does have a three-act structure. The trailer revealed the clone thing. Yeah that's the thing. The trailer reveals the clone thing. It's the selling point. It's Will Smith versus Will Smith. And the context of the movie, it's not revealed till halfway.

And they have the action scene before. And even then, that's not revealed. It just kind of looks like, Will Smith. You're like, oh, who's this guy who kind of looks like me? And he can fight me. And it's like intriguing or something. Did you feel as though the Clive Owen character's motivations were a little poorly defined,

like poorly communicated? Yeah. I was like, why is he mad? They were just mustache twirling. Like, yeah. Like, it was explained, I guess, because it's in the Wikipedia plot synopsis. But I don't know when it was explained.

I guess I was distracted by the high frame rate. Well, they introduced that whole angle, like, halfway through the movie, which is so weird. That's whole, like, father's son relationship with young Will Smith and him. And it's, like, kind of comes out of nowhere. Yeah. I felt like, despite the attempts to be visually groundbreaking, A, the movie's too dark. B, a lot of the action scenes, some parts look cool.

But a lot of them, I'm just left wondering, like, what the hell just happened? Like, there was the, where were they to jump the show? Yeah, in the cave? And then just all of a sudden, like, one of them's down, I'm like, who, what the, what happened? Like, there's, it's filmed in a way that's confusing to understand, like, almost like quick cut garbage, even though not all of it is. And then even in the parts where I can tell what's happening, like, the part where he dodged the motorbike was really funny. It was so goofy. I thought that was a fun scene.

Yeah, there was like a fist fight with a motorbike. It was so funny. I enjoyed that. Oh, man. I was, I was like snickering to myself for most of the movie. I had a couple drinks, but I was having a really good time. I had to hide my love to do. I was into it.

Yeah, because the audience, they were loving it. I felt like a zero one out because it was just so silly to me. It's like a fun science fiction action movie with Will Smith, fighting the young Will Smith. If, if I ever feel like my presence might disturb people, because I think the movie's hilarious and nobody else does. If there's space at the front of the theater where no one's sitting, I'll just move up there.

I'll be like, my view isn't as perfect, but I can snicker a little without disturbing people. And that's what I did. That's a good little life hired. Exactly, exactly. Because you don't want to disturb other people who want to enjoy the movie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was not great.

Oh my god I'm just looking at my notes here It wasn't insulting either The uh B venom Like Oh yeah That was so weird

Why was that in there? The amount of times That they set it up They like literally the first moment Where he smacks a be on a show He's like oh by the way I'm allergic to bees I'm like that's not gonna come back later

And then they say it two more times And then he gets shot by a tranquilizer dart She's like What was in that As if it couldn't have just been a regular tranquilizer dart he's like be venom so casually that was the funniest fucking thing and then she has the antidote right away it could just spit a tranquilizer yeah she's like i have i have the epinephrine blah blah blah and then he's fine it's like well that didn't even matter and you

spent so long setting it up like what it had no significance i'm trying to remember did he um when he's trying to convince himself that he's a clone because he used a lot of like weirdly uh kind kind of like nurture versus nature justifications for him being a clone. He was like, man, do you ever have problems communicating with people? Like, this means we're the same. But did

he mention the bee venom thing in that scene? I can't remember because they mentioned it so many times. Like, that would have been something easy to be like, you're allergic to bees. Like, that's a physical thing that you would know that a clone has no matter what in the nature versus nurtured aspect. Did he mention that?

No, that would have been more clever. No, he didn't. Okay. Yeah. No. The script is really, has a lot of issues. Yeah. I know.

It's written by your guy, isn't it? Written by who? David Benioff of Game of Thirons. Oh my God. Really? I didn't know that. David Beno from Billy Ray. It makes so much sense.

It makes so much sense. No wonder the writing is bad. Apparently it's been in purgatory for a long time. Like this film for some reason. Yeah. Like, apparently Nicholas Cage was supposed to be attached at one point. And that would have been... I don't know, maybe equally funny. It would have been like adaptation.

I mean, yeah. To Nicholas Cage's. It did kind of remind me a face off a little bit with how stupid it was. Yeah, it reminded me that too. The poster did. So, this film was supposed to be a 1997 movie directed by Tony Scott. It was supposed to be a Disney movie, too, believe it or not. And they decided that the technology wasn't quite there yet to have a CG younger version of the main character.

And what I'm trying to figure out here is, why does the script even need that? Because we have films like Being John Malkovich or, sorry, adaptation. There was one scene in Being John Malkovich, where it was a bunch of them anyway, where it was like camera tricks using the same actor. You could have one in older makeup, one in younger makeup. You have films like Looper, where you have two different actors, and Joseph Gordon Levitt just used makeup prosthetics, just tiny bits of prosthetics to have a more similar facial structure to Bruce Willis. and that worked fine too. Why does it have to be a CG version of the same person? I don't understand why that's at all necessary

that they needed to hold on to the script for like 22 years. You know? Like, what? It's not like this story is that great and original either, is it? Like, why not just film it more practically? Gemini Man is my... It's a script that probably would have done well in 97 compared to right now. Like, it probably would have been more successful

if it was just released in 1997, I don't know what changes they made to the script to have it released. But it has that kind of feel like it's been in development. Even there's scenes in the movie where it feels like they're talking about a scene that happened before, but it's like they didn't shoot that scene yet. They were like talking about something they hadn't experienced yet. It was very weird. They were like, oh yeah, remember that when we were in that scene and this happened? It's like, what?

Like, why the fuck would you talk like that? Doesn't make any sense. Yeah. It It was a really Messy Flimsy film And as much as I'd love to

Shit on it some more We got other movies to talk about In this episode Yeah it's hardly even worth it Like I can't really remember anything about it I saw it a couple days ago Just a forgettable film Not even that funny to me either

It was pretty funny to me But again I had a couple drinks It was half funny Just the length Just really dragged it down like okay you're overstaying you're welcome now Jim I was so happy the entire time that shot where it reveals the the clone Will Smith through the like the scope and it just zooms in it's like blah blah bah it's other will Smith that was great so funny oh man I could

hardly focus on it it was so distracting that whole that whole aspect I know it's the only thing the movie has it's the hook of the movie is that there's a CG fresh prints running around it's just so unnecessary too it doesn't even need to be there No, that's a point of the movie. He's, like, fighting his own, like, conflict, you know? His own internal demons, because he killed so many people, and he's trying to steer this young boy away from that life. It's really deep.

Why not do it as, like, an animated movie or something? Yeah. The technology wasn't there yet. All right. Animation didn't exist. Give it another 20 years, and then we'll remake it. It's just one of those things where you're going to buy it or you're not. All right, what would you guys give it?

This was for me. I enjoyed it a lot. I give it a three out of five. the highest rating anyone has ever given the film. Apparently. Although I don't think that's true. I know. I'm sure you could find a user review on IMDB as a 10.

But who knows if that's ironic or not. Yeah. I give Uncanny Valley the movie. One and a half stars out of five. I think that's what I gave it. I can't remember. I think you did. I think I saw you reading.

Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I couldn't give it quite a one because there were a couple of bits I did enjoy. But I mean, there ain't nothing to wrap. that's that awful. I think it's mostly just mediocre and bland. Like, I don't think there's no third act. I don't think it's incompetent. I thought it was like a solid, like action movie. It's frustrating because of the people attached and how boring. There's just no excuse for boring, meandering scenes.

These Will Smith, like, vehicles are annoying, but this is a good one compared to, like, collateral beauty. Or Aladdin. Three main actors, Will Smith is playing Will Smith. Clive Owen is playing Plyvo and Mary Elizabeth Winstead is I guess playing Zoe Deschanel from the happening. Like, it's just so, I don't really see anything like super impressive other than maybe the groundbreaking visual effects that even with those, they had to make the entire movie dark to be more convincing anyway. Even with those. The spectacle of it was fun.

It wasn't, it was a laughable spectacle to me. It's just funny how they try to prioritize this gimmick. over telling an actual story, over making an actual movie, you know? And like, even with the idea of like, this is a visual masterpiece, you know, the guy that directed life is a life of pie, it still kind of looked like shit

for a lot of the movie, you know? And like, yeah, poorly communicated action scenes. I thought the way they incorporated visual effects was very cool. I, yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't big on it. I enjoyed it thoroughly as a comedy, and that's about it. I didn't think it's going to age very well.

Oh, no, not at all. Oh, no. Anyway. I bet in 10 years it'll look great. I give it a 2 out of 10, and I think I've justified myself quite well. Mm-hmm. You have. All right.

Let's go on to good movies, like Joker. What'd you think? Anyone going to do the laugh? I'm not going to do a laugh. When I come out, can you introduce me as Cool cat Nice Ha ha ha

That's how we should have laughed Oh Maybe we should Somebody make an edit Where all of the Joker laughs Are replaced by Cool Cat laughs Somebody can do that Oh, that would be way

creepier than the movie No What'd you guys think? I saw it a while ago Yeah, it was right Yeah It was all right Yeah, exactly

Yeah Anyway A king of comedy Dude, that's my review Yeah that's my review Yeah that's so funny It was pretty good. It was a pretty good movie.

It was like Taxi Driver. It was a lot like King of Comedy. I see why you guys mentioned it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I thought it was way more similar to King of Comedy than Taxi Driver. It has been a while since I've seen Taxi Driver. I almost regret watching Taxi Driver in preparation for the Joker at Tiff instead of watching King of Comedy. Because I think it's more like King of Comedy than Taxi Driver.

Yeah, absolutely. But in terms of the tone, especially in like the first. half of the film, I feel like it's more like taxi driver. Because King of Comedy is very funny, basically all the way throughout, and has a very lighthearted tone, and taxi driver's more like dark. And the first half of this film is really sad and dour. And I like that about it. All of it.

All of it. But he more comes into his own, like, and becomes the Joker that you like or that you know in that second half toward the end. Spoiler warning for Joker. Yeah, I guess, spoiler warning. But the beginning is just like boring and miserable and it's awful. You're like, oh, I feel so bad for this guy. Well, yeah, that was one of the issues I had was just the overall kind of lack of subtlety.

It's just a less subtle king of comedy set in the Batman universe. Like, if that's either going to be a positive or a negative to you. Like, if that sounds like something, wow, that sounds like an awesome idea for a movie. You're going to love the movie because there isn't really that much I can really pick apart beyond things to do with the plot mainly. Oh yeah. Because the performances are pretty good all around. There are loads of really good moments. Visuals of course are outstanding. I mean it's not bad but it didn't really move me. I don't know if it was just this whole expectations thing or how it's just the movies really relevant in terms of like meme culture. It's being memed like really hard and when that

happens and all I see is just jokes based on movies like this. I just go in and I can find I I find it really hard to take it seriously sometimes. I don't know. It's just my preference, I guess, with what I expect and want out of this character, but I didn't find it entirely satisfying to have a movie just based around him. Because the reason I like The Joker normally is because there is sort of a ying and yang relationship going on and his entire purpose is to, like, counteract and be a foil for someone who has the complete opposite sort of philosophies and tendencies.

Yeah. And that's what's interesting to me. Without that, I was finding it hard to find anything to grip on. Aside from, I guess, the really unsubtle commentary that is much more explored and entertaining and fulfilling in the came of comedy. Yeah. In my opinion, anyway. Absolutely. All the tie-ins with the Batman universe felt very forced, like shoehorned in.

Yeah. It didn't need it. Bruce Swain, the old guy, was that supposed to be Alfred, the guy at the gate? Probably. Joker. That's what I thought, yeah. I wish this movie was more on its own and just kind of did its own thing

because in the beginning you don't even know it's got them or anything it's just set it takes place in the shitty city you're like oh I wish I wish it was more just its own movie and not tied in with Batman well that's what it kind of marketed itself as is a standalone origin story and so to shoehorn in Batman just because and especially it just it keeps getting worse as it goes along in that sense

they try to imply that Joker is literally responsible for his parents dying and it's like oh come on come on it's a really annoying review insisted significance and it's just really it's irritating it just doesn't go in line with the tone of the rest of it which is more realistic and serious and that's very corny if I was in Gemini man maybe it would be better there were certainly some corny moments outside of that I feel like you know him getting being beaten up with the sign and the whole bullied on the train thing. Oh yeah.

Those were certainly some corny moments where characters were more like characters. But I don't think it was supposed to be intentional. It was just lack of subtlety. Yeah. Well yeah, because that character, when you have a character like Joker with that kind of darkness behind him, it's a difficult challenge that the screenwriters have to face because normally you wouldn't have to make, you wouldn't necessarily have to make the villain character sympathetic.

But if he's the main character in a movie, it would just be too much for general audiences to handle. So they've got to make him sympathetic in the only way they can, which is just by having him be beaten up all the time, which is like such a cop out to me. It's like, yeah, of course I'm going to feel sorry for this like poor weak man just being beaten up. Like it doesn't make it really layered and deep character development to me. It's just like, yeah, that's just like writing sympathy trick 101, just have them be beaten up a bunch. and that justifies like all angle. He beats him down. Bullied.

He doesn't get his medication. He's, yeah, his mom is awful. But that's the thing, though. Like, I'm okay with taking this seriously as like a character study, but then when you do delve more into the, well, basically the dumb shit. When the dumb shit starts,

then it's like, well, this tonally isn't really working for me because now I'm thinking about kill a crock and the penguin and two-faced and all this. I'm just like, this is very strange to me. Can I tell you a theory my mom had? Right.

for this film. Go ahead. So there's a little person in this film. Yes. And her theory, once the movie's over, she called me and said, I think that guy in the sequel is going to become the penguin. That's exactly, this is exactly my problem. This film is confusing.

This film is confusing because I also heard similar things from people as I was walking out of the movie. I overheard someone saying, yeah, like, I can't wait to see where they take the sequel. Like, how's Batman going to deal with this one? I think you guys are going to be disappointed. Yeah, he's going to team up with Ben Affleck and they're going to fight. Yeah, because everyone's just, we're conditioned now. My mom did have a good theory, which is like once he goes in the fridge at the end, everything after that is a dream.

I guess that one makes more sense. But that's something you could get out of this movie. But there's all this other shit that meddles it up. At what point does he go in the fridge? It's like right before he gets the phone call to come on the show. Oh. And that was weird. Like they would just call him to go on the show.

That was weird. So it kind of makes sense. I'm going to shut down that theory right now because go ahead because how can how can it be in his imagination that someone murdered Bruce Wayne's parents and that's just coincidentally yeah that is way specific I mean you can't like he doesn't know who this guy is so that's true so anything involving the Bruce that's also kind of why I hate the whole shoehorn thing there is because otherwise you could you could interpret it however you wanted any scene could have been imaginary, but as soon as you have the Batman Bruce Wayne aspect, then it's like, no, that has to be literal, because why would he imagine somebody who he's going to meet later

who he doesn't know yet sort of thing? Why would he imagine the origin story of his arch nemesis that he's not aware of at the time? That doesn't make sense. So it shuts it shuts it down. They do establish she has dreams or visions or whatever with that love interest he has, which I think is like the worst part of the film and was so predictable and shoehorned down. Oh, man. And I really didn't like any of that. I was so disappointed by how they handled that in the reveal because the moment she walks in and she's like, what, who are you like, what are you doing here? And like she's obviously uncomfortable. Like, you could have explored that scene without the flashbacks. And it would have been so fucking obvious anyway. But as soon as they do the flashbacks, it's like,

wait, this is an R-rated movie for 12-year-olds. Oops. They could have flushed that scene out and made it way more intense than it was. Yeah, that too. It was like 30 seconds. No, it's because at the same time, it's juggling this bizarre, like, story about how three murders causes this complete breakdown of society for some reason. Can you guys explain that to me? Did that bug you at all?

Oh, it's because that's the commentary of the film. Yeah, but that is that a complete of the film? like it, but it makes no sense. But in real life, it's a little more complex than that. You don't live in Gotham. You don't know. I guess we don't know what it's like there. How could we relate?

We're up on our YouTube pedestals. How can we relate to the people of Gotham? If clickbait media was trying to get people not to watch the film, they certainly did a terrible job. Because now it's like everybody has to see it to be a part of the conversation. It's broke October records. Everyone's talking about this movie. It's so funny. Do you think it would have done it?

that no matter what though? Yeah, it's a Joker movie. I mean, yeah. It certainly didn't help. But they did help. Yeah, they helped promote the film. It's just annoying. Exactly.

I know I briefly mentioned, I think it was in the last episode, I did feel, and again, I'm going to repeat that I don't feel like any movie should be censored because of this, but I did feel, you know, there's an argument to make that it kind of does glorify this type of negative behavior that if somebody who's mentally ill watches the movie, it's probably not a good idea. How do you guys feel about that? I guess you could take it that way.

Yeah. The narrative of it is definitely like society beat me down. Yeah. And if I just kill someone, then I'll become famous. I'll show you. Yeah, I'll show you. I'll show everyone. It has that kind of revenge fantasy to it. You could take it that way, definitely.

But I don't think that's all the movie is. Yeah, it's just a more clumsy, less subtle interpretation of the same message of the King of Comedy pretty much. Oh, yeah. But the movie is also kind of vague, so, you know, could you take it that way? Well, they have their get-out-of-jail-free car, which is, no, it was all a dream. Like, it didn't actually happen, like, it was all in his head. Exactly. Whereas King of Comedy, taxi drivers, very specific about, like, those kind of characters in their effect on society.

I think it's pretty hilariously hypocritical. for news media to be blaming a film for inspiring mass shooters when it hasn't even happened, when in reality, the coverage of mass shooters has, it's been pretty much documented that that actually inspires more mass shooters when you publish their name and you like spend entire news cycles talking about them and giving them attention. Like that, that encourages mass shooters. It's like they're so desperate for a story. that they were trying to make it happen.

Yeah, it's so weird. It's kind of gross. There was like a story that two guys were talking during the movie or something. It got kicked out. They were disturbing the show. And they made like a big story of that. That's funny. Who gives a fuck?

That's not a story. Something happened at the Joker screening. They got kicked out of a theater. Oh, no. That happens all the time. And all that happens, though, as a result from that is they make more money from people going and seeing it out of interest. People are talking about the movie. And so they're going to go see it.

Like, I haven't heard people talk about a movie like this for a while. It's everyone. My hairdresser was talking about, just random people on the street talking about it. It's everywhere. Because of this very thing. Like, it's weirdly representative of attitudes of now, which is kind of like a thing to love and hate about it because it's kind of weird and sad in a way that in 2019,

a really edgy, serious Joker movie that's, like, the most depressing, over the top, like, violent, just like... It's weird that we all connect with it. Our rated, oppressive, like, movie is what everyone is really feeling at the moment. I don't know. I think it's cool. I seriously doubt that Todd Phillips are walking Phoenix went into this project with the expectation

that it would be some sort of political message by this film existing. You know, like, there's definitely political commentary within the film. like most movies, but I don't think either of them were like, oh yeah, we're sending a message about current society. And then all of a sudden it got turned into this, this symbol for like. Yeah, it's weird. It's like just from the headline of it, of people being made aware that the film's even being made from that very second, it just started being politicized. Yeah. And it's just become its own beast.

There's this weird, like, it's one of those films that has like a meta-narrative where there's the film. on its own and it's like there's that to discuss but almost talking about the way people view the film outside of the film itself is almost more interesting to me because I mean there isn't much else to say aside from the it's just a combination of taxi driver and king

of comedy with a bit of Batman shoved in like it looks good it's not as good as either cinematography was really nice amazing performance Joaquin is always great I like to spin on the laugh I thought that was something I hadn't seen before the character I like it

It adds an extra layer of sadness, the fact that when he was laughing he actually couldn't help it. There was kind of like a weird irony to that that was that really hammered home how like sad this character was, how depressed and just down he was. It was really disturbing and an awesome like interpretation of that character. Not as good as Jared Lotto obviously, but you know. Yeah, that's funny. He has to be stuck in between the two great performances. Like he's the joker in between He's really upset about this movie

Poor Jared Oh yeah, of course he's upset I'm just imagining walking Phoenix Preparing for his role Going through like clips of the Pillsbury Do Boy I'm just like trying to get it down Like there's a hidden sadness in this character

Pillsbury Do Boy doesn't want to laugh He gets poked and then it happens It's not consensual I also like De Niro in the movie too Yeah We keep talking about King of Comedy But the film is clearly paying homage to King of Comedy and knows it's inspired by it.

And De Niro plays like the Jerry, what's his name? The Jerry Langford show. He plays like that character in Joker. And I thought that was very funny. Yeah. Yeah, he was a highlight for sure. Well, the amazing performance by

Joaquin Phoenix will certainly have me Joaquin to his next movie at a brisk pace. That was awesome. Yep. Do you want to clap? Oh, I am.

Internally. You imagine an audience is laughing at all your quotes. Oh yeah, I'm standing in front of an art exhibit of this giant poster of a laughing crowd right now. All right, what would you guys give the film? Three out of five? Yeah, I'm right there with you, Ralph. No, same. Three out of five for me.

Yeah, didn't really move the needle particularly. I think enough time has passed that I am changing my seven to a six. I'm more confident about it. It was always closer to a six. I had the side between one or the other. And yeah, it's a six. Pretty good. Are you guys going to rush to rewatch

this movie ever? Like, I don't feel the need to go back and really experience it again. I'd much rather just watch King of Comedy again. I feel like there's more to get out of that movie. Well, compared to like superhero films that are coming out recently, I think this is something that stands out.

Like, it looks good, it's mature, It has themes that it's exploring. It's not like some dumb, like it doesn't end with a giant fucking action scene or whatever. But compared to like what it's aping or I guess paying homage to, it's not as good. Hmm. So. It's got an 8.9 user rating on IMDB. Good.

I'm happy people enjoy it. It won the Golden Lion at Venice Film Festival. Yeah, that's a little weird. I know, right? That was a little weird. But it's not like people treat Venice Film Festival the same way. that they do can or something. It's not like their jury is

like super super. Is that what they think America's like? They think it's like the Joker. Probably. How it's depicted in the Joker. That's why they gave it, the golden line. Yeah. All right. Speaking of Joker, Ralph's recommendation was

Joker the prequel. Joker prequel. Yeah. Joker negative 1. Or Joker 0, I guess. Joker, but instead of an there's a zero in the title. Jazeera Kerr. Joker, please.

Joker, please. I should be in marketing. So, spoilers for King of Comedy. King of Comedy follows a young comedian named Rupert Pumpkin, played by Robert De Niro,

who is just itching for his big break, you know, so he decides the best course of action is to kidnap the host of a show, the Jerry Langford Show, and blackmail his network into letting him perform on his show. And the movie, is fucking incredible. It's directed by Martin Scorsese. It's the second movie we've talked about

from him. And it's another like one of his comedies. It's like really goofy comedies. And it's like a satire of fame and television. And I thought it was great. What did you guys think of it? I loved it. Absolutely loved it. Yeah. I also loved it. I thought it was great. It's hysterical. I found it more sad than funny. I think you hyped it up as more of a funny movie than keep describing it than I experienced it. I thought this movie's hilarious. It is funny in a sick way.

Yes, in a sick way, which is what I find funny. But Robert De Niro's performance is fucking brilliant. And the way he pulls off this like really awful comedian, but he's really funny to watch him like flub and be awkward with people. I think it's incredible. I think it's one of the best things he's ever done. Yeah. There's shades of comedy within each scene.

There's always a comedic element. but I think that in terms of what's happening in the narrative and especially what I get out of it and relate to in the film it's a much more sad movie and I just I don't know I love movies that really go into a character study representing this kind of delusion this kind of desperation out of a character

there's a really great Italian movie called reality where there's some some similar elements at play within the main character. It's part of the reason why I hate LA so much is because there's so many people that are just thinking like, oh, well, I need is my big break, right? And they treat their entire life as though the only thing that's preventing them from being successful or happy is this this like red tape that they need to burst through. And with that delusion comes this idea that you don't really need to work on yourself.

or prove yourself outside of that. You know, like, he never recorded any of his own material. He didn't do any stand-up. He just kind of, like, you know, worked on it in his room or whatever and was thinking, like, oh, all I need is somebody else to throw me into the spotlight. And I, it's always so sad to me because there's a lot of people like that. And the main character in this film is clearly a lot more disturbed than the average person with that delusion.

Like, he takes it a little further than you'd expect. the average person waiting for their big break to, but it always kind of, it always kind of gets me. There's a line in the film after he breaks into the summer home or whatever where he's like, oh, well, you know what I realized? That I have to do everything by myself. I can't count on anybody sort of thing. And I think that that's something that's actually very important for people to realize is like you need to prove things by yourself. You really do. You can't let somebody else be responsible for your own success. Otherwise, you'll just be waiting forever. And you'll be, you know, putting the blame on other people when you really need to focus on yourself and do something independently.

Otherwise, you're not going to get anywhere. You need to actually work hard. But I love that element. Yeah. Yeah. The character has no dignity. It's your secondhand embarrassed for him because he's so blinded by this goal that he doesn't even realize that he doesn't even have this self-awareness to reflect on and change his ways. He just doubles down again and again.

just like, oh my God, where are you going to take it next? And despite the exaggerated level of it, yeah, you do see flashes of reality in there. You see this type of person exists. And like, I'm sure we've all interacted with plenty of people that have hints of this kind of thing. Like you say, with that whole LA thing, with the, just all these game shows and everything where they're like X factor and they're trying to win fame and fortune and everything. And it really is taking a step back and just analyzing look. If this is your entire being, look how sad and pathetic it is from a distance and how it just means nothing.

When it drives you to do things that this man is driven to, but as a result of this romanticization of these kind of concepts, it is really disturbing. And you laugh so you don't cry because it is like a deeply sad, disturbing movie. That's what I really liked about it. I love just the name of the film, the King of Comedy. There's something so ironic about it. Yeah. The opening credits are very eerie and creepy.

It's like just a freeze frame of him. It really sets the tone. Yeah, it's excellent. Yeah. Yeah. The foreshadowing of what that picture means. But there is a sense of humor to all of it, even if it is creepy. Well, yeah, there's obviously comedy in the movie.

Yeah. It's all good from what you hear. It's just the underlying sadness that really is at its core. Because I was reading that, like, a lot of the people behind the creative process of the movie were they found it to be quite a overbearing kind of project because of that level of darkness that they put into it and it's what makes it it's what makes it great yeah it makes you uncomfortable in all the best ways possible exactly the whole like dream sequence when he's on television which kind of reminded me of Requiem for a dream yeah I wonder if it was inspired by that yeah

I would have to say that that was probably inspired by that for sure yeah that was all that was all great and then it was funny when he was like we were wrong Rupert and you you were right and that's why we'd like to apologize in front of the whole country we all thought you to mount nothing like that shit is so funny yeah and then like his very sincere reactions to all these things is like yeah that sounds terrific thank you very much but you know it's just him in his basement with a bunch of cardboard cutouts what I absolutely loved there about his character is that he's rewarded for all of it at the end like it absolutely or he doesn't stumble into followers.

I thought that the ending was completely interpretable. Well, as I interpreted it anyway, to me, that was like the point of the movie was like, and yet it's rewarded. And just the fact that like his comedy wasn't even like good, it was so, been done before, mediocre, completely average. It would sell in the 70s. It would sell in that environment. Yeah.

The thing is like, that's part of what the movie is too. It's like once you're on that stage and you're there with the audience and the, like, the applause sign and all these cameras, people are more prone to laugh, even if they're watching a fucking crazy person. And also he was hyped up. And that was like literally a part of what he wrote for them to read. He's like, I'm presenting to you the next king of comedy. This is a sure fire thing. Like getting people into that mindset where it's like, this is the best thing you'll see right now in front of an audience of people. He understood that that was like a necessary component of being successful. Like that's part of it. And so he used that to his advantage,

He just wants to be famous. He doesn't even care about comedy, really. Oh, yeah, it's completely selfish. It's not even about expressing himself, really. It's literally just about... He doesn't care about other people. I'm going to prove everyone wrong in my life that thought I'd amount to nothing. You're wrong, I'm right. It's completely selfish and hilarious.

And there's a lot of people like that. But the kind of mindset is, like, encouraged in America. This, like, if you work hard and just keep at it, keep at it. Even if you're not funny, eventually you'll get there. you just have to put yourself out there enough. And he's rewarded for that. And that's like what all Scorsese's movies are about, kind of. And that's like, you know, why I love all of them.

They all have that element of America encourages this kind of fucked up behavior that encourages crime and kidnapping, like, whatever the hell. And it's like deep-seated in everyone here. And I find that so fascinating how he explores that. There's that brilliant moment towards the end where through most of the movie, you're kind of against them in character. you're laughing at him and you're uncomfortable because he's just he's deluded but there's a point towards the end where it's revealed that a lot of his really sad dark material is based on on his life

and you're suddenly sort of like get a newfound level of sympathy for him or in a weird way he's like kind of it's the same point of the joker obviously with like he's kind of a victim of this the system that he's just found himself a part of like this guy you could have been anywhere but because he was there and then with that, just slight off nature about him, that's the way he was drawn to and that's where it went. And it's just so sad underlying. He probably had like a bad childhood and he has really low self-esteem. And that's why he puts on this like character that, oh, there's nothing wrong with me.

Make everyone laugh. What did he say? It's his job to spread joy. He was put on this earth to spread joy and happiness. And his conviction too. He really sells that he believes. Exactly. God put him there for that. It's very like a sociopath. I like I like how we got to see his material and that we didn't see it until the end of the movie. I think that that was a clever choice. There's good buildup to it. And you don't know if it's going to be really awful or funny. You have no idea. You don't know what's going to happen. The secretary was trying to be. And what I find insane is like he was actually given attention. He was given the time of day, even by the secretary. She said, hey, go do some. you know, just work a couple clubs, record your material, we'll listen to it. And they did. And she actually,

she treated him really nice and gave him some potential opportunities. But this character won't accept anything less than his fantasy delusions, which is just, it says so much about him. Yeah. He's a fascinating character. It makes him kind of scary. Yeah. He's so tenacious. And you're just glad that that's the thing he's chasing and it's not something else. I think that part of the reason why this sort of idea perpetuates in these types of people of like, oh yeah, someone else is responsible for my success. And if I just had a big break by somebody or like, if only this person saw my script, blah, blah, blah, then I'd make it. I think part of the reason why that idea is so prevalent is because there are people in the industry,

in the 70s now especially. There are a lot of people in the industry that are essentially. just planted there or they were privileged enough to have Will Smith as their dad, you know, or, you know, people that are not really all that special, they didn't have to like break out in some amazing way, but they are just there. There's a lot of people on television that are famous, just because they happened to be in the right place at the right time and got really lucky. And so people see those characters, people see those people, and they think, oh, man, all I need is somebody to give me my big break. But, you know,

reality of the situation is you might as well be trying to win the lottery. You might as well be buying lottery tickets. If you want to get somewhere in life, you have to do it for yourself. It's the difference between buying lottery tickets or saving up your money. It's like you can still be successful, but you need to actually work on it because you were not born with that advantage. So in The Joker, there's that romantic interest, which, and that all sucked. And in this movie, you have Rita, which is a great character. And you actually, actually understand why she would want to see Rupert again because the thing is Rupert's actually somewhat charming and kind in a certain environment Yeah. Like when he meets her and you like get why they'd want to see each other again then she invite or he invites her to Jerry Langford's house

And that whole scene was so uncomfortable. It was a great payoff to all that. That's all I kept thinking was how much better it was than the Joker Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's part of why I just couldn't get down with Joker Mm-hmm Because it's just worse if every way than this movie. The subtlety is so important to me with something like this because it stops it becoming potentially idiotic like it arguably does at points in Joker.

Like there is a certain level of believability there because of the way he doesn't start just murdering people. Sure, he does kidnap someone. But there's no, there's no killing in the movie. There's no ultra violence or anything like that. And yet it's much more disturbing than anything I saw in Joker for me anyway. More grounded than real. It just gets in your brain.

It's just a concept that is really fun to just think about, sit on, and explore. And it's really wonderful the way they're. And Scorsese is just a great director, too. Like, the city feels real. He knows how to film New York City like no one else. The city is a character in the film. Yeah. Like that one dream sequence I mentioned earlier was actually shot with television cameras.

Oh, yeah. Like a wedding on the show. It looked great. And there were even like these fades during the wedding that are so fucking perfect and, like, corny. I love that too. Very genuine. The attention to detail. Yeah, the attention to detail is just great.

I think that it was really cleverly presented overall. And especially when they start revealing how much of what he's fantasizing about is actually happening and what isn't. And the way that he sort of rehearses these conversations by himself in his home, it makes you question everything that comes out of his mouth for the rest of the movie. Like, was this rehearsed? Like, what about what you're saying is planned out and what about it is something that you're actually saying right now? I thought that that was very clever. Just this dialogue in general is really interesting. Like, there's a scene towards the end where he just keeps repeatedly being asked to leave the house.

And he's just trying, as like a sociopath would do, to use his understanding of language to try and manipulate his way out of the situation. But he's taking it so far. It's the one time he isn't able to and you sort of see him snap a little bit Which is a really kind of disturbing moment That hammers home just how just out of his mind is There's some key moments in the dialogue to kind of give you a glimpse into How beyond the surface he is not really a friendly happy person Like when he first gets rejected when they're like

You need to work on your material some of it was funny not every punchline was great and his response is do you speak for Jerry? Like you don't know what you're talking about sort of yeah just discredit her instantly they mentioned that line on the

feature red on the Blu-ray as being very important for the film and I agree it's so clever so much good storytelling just from the subtlety of it you can just infer so much from just the setup of all the scenes and the way they gradually escalate and progress

yeah did you guys have any issues with it. Mine are very minor, but I do have them. Mine are just so nitpicky, I mean. Go for it. The only thing I noticed was just some weird ADR now and again, which is quite common, I guess, for films from around this time. Yeah. Yeah, some of the audio could have been better. I do feel as though, I guess, the handling of this situation by law enforcement and to some extent the network was a little unrealistic. Like, I get that it's trying to be more of a

commentary and it's a little exaggerated and out there. And so from the network especially, that's more forgivable, but from law enforcement, that was a little like, you wouldn't just let him go into this bar first. Like, there could be a back exit. Like, you'd lose the guy. He could just dart out the back of the bar and you'd lose the guy that knows where Jerry is. So I don't think law enforcement handled it in a way that would ever happen, really.

That was one of my issues. Yeah, I could see that. I think Rupert is such a great character. He kind of overshadows everyone else in the movie. And whenever this movie isn't about him or focused on him, I just don't think it's as interesting. And there's another crazy lady who's introduced. I forgot her name. Is it Masha?

Yeah. Something like that. Something like that. And I didn't find her as compelling as Rupert. You know? Yeah. Rupert just stole the show. He really did.

Yeah. I would have liked to focus on Jerry a little more, maybe. Maybe develop their relationship more. I'd like to know more about his life. Yeah, I agree. It's a little repetitive, too. I noticed it like toward the middle and started to get a little like, okay, Rupert, how many times are you going to do the same thing?

Like, try to go to this guy's fucking house and talk to him. Yeah, I really loved the scene with her and Jerry and what that turned into and just how it kind of devolves into, you know, being more overtly sinister than before. and she's basically going to sexually assault him. But at the same time, I agree with you. The story is more interesting with Robert De Niro. And during that point, I wish they would cut back to her a little less frequently, that that was maybe like trimmed down a little,

but just personal preference, I guess. Yeah. Otherwise. It wasn't as subtle or as clever as the Robert De Niro stuff. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I find it funny that they're friends, and they're both just nuts. Yeah, kind of. friends.

Like, they're just kind of forced to be friends because they both want to kidnap the same person. They're both hardcore Jerry fans. Yeah. Jerry L. playing Jerry L. He gets confused if he gets a different name. I think what makes something a really, I guess, impactful movie for me is when I'm able to

kind of just relate it to either experience. in my life or I guess ideas about society that I've already noticed or already more or less agreed with. And this is a movie that does that very well. Like obviously I've already ranted a bit on, you know, the types of characters that you can find in real life that are like the characters in this film. And what it's trying to say about that. And I'm sure we've all heard about plenty of different YouTubers where someone's just shown up at their house sort of thing and they think that that's cool for some reason. Yeah.

And it's like, okay, you don't know anything about me. You really don't. Like you have an idea, you have an imagination of what I'm like, but you really, there's no way to tell, right? It's interesting how closely it relates to a lot of the ideas of parisocial relationships that we see nowadays. And I think it really, it's pretty much a timeless movie in terms of the ideas that it's getting at.

And it's pretty awesome that it came out in the 70s when I'm sure at that point in time there had already been plenty of celebrities that have had really tough times with just how people treat them. I love that, that shot of him and the woman on the payphone. She's like, please, my son has cancer or something like that. He's like, I'm sorry, I'm busy, right? Like, I got to go. I'm late.

I hope you get cancer. just like this immediate shift of like my time is more valuable than yours and in their minds that's a great man like we see this mirro saying like i've spent my entire life working on this and all you got to do is listen for 15 minutes when in reality what people don't understand what many people don't understand is if if you do give that amount of time to everybody right then you literally don't you can't do anything else i can't check all my tweets i wouldn't be able to get work done like i'm sorry You know, and I feel bad about it because I want to be a nice person. And if I meet someone that's, you know, obviously interested in saying,

hi, I'll give them the time of day because I know that it obviously means a lot to them. And it's something really small and painless that I can do. But it is a big problem when there is that sort of expectation, that entitlement where people feel like, oh, you deserve me this time when you don't know what kind of day they're having. You don't know if they're late for some. You don't know if somebody in their life just died or if they haven't gotten any sleep So to act offended by that and be like when you have no context to that I think is a big issue And it's something that's very common unfortunately

Yeah, well Rupert was like a character raised by television Yeah, he just he never interacted with any friends or anything He just lived life as if it was he was on some kind of talk show and he always wanted to see himself in that spot because he felt like that's that's how you get special that's how you become the one that everyone likes. It's sick, but it's a mentality a lot of people have. And he feels like he knows Jerry because he's watched Jerry on television for so many years, which is probably how a lot of people feel, like, about, you know,

when they watch us or whatever. When they listen to this podcast, dun, dun, dun, duh. I don't really know. I also like Jerry's character, too. He wasn't an overt asshole. He wasn't trying to be a dick, but, you know, you could tell he was genuinely annoyed by what this fucking guy was doing.

Yeah. Yeah. I loved his reactions. I thought they were very genuine. Especially early on. Like that first scene, he's like trying, he's really trying to be nice as he's trying to go back in his hotel. There's so many characters do this.

So, I just kept thinking, God, you're so good at your job, like, especially the, like, secretary, like women. I felt so much sympathy for having to deal with that kind of thing, especially because you're saying about how it applies to, like, us and our specific jobs or whatever, but I think it would apply basically at any point in my life in some way, which I think does really hammer home how good the message and the way you can interpret the movie is. Because whether you work in retail or like a weird job like this or anywhere, anywhere where you're interacting with people in some way,

you're going to see this kind of thing. And just to explore that kind of mindset, It's just really spoke to me and it's really a really fascinating thing this time of my life. Yeah. Great movie. Great character study. Love what it explored. The psychology of him is very clear.

Great performances. Mm-hmm. Well researched. I love this movie. Four out of five for me. Nice. Yeah. Well, seeing as it's my first time watching it, it really did connect with me.

And there wasn't much I really disliked about it at all. maybe upon rewatch because I want to this is the kind of film I want to show to people and watch with people and discuss and really think about and let's sit for a while but yeah it really spoke to me and there isn't much else I'd really want from it at this point in time is exactly what I was after in something like joker I love the subtle approach I love just the presentation how thoughtful it is detail oriented as you already said it's a five out of five stars for me I would give it an 8 out of 10. It's closer to a 9 than a 7. We'll see what happens on a second lunch. Nice. Loved it. Thanks, Ralph.

No problem. Yeah, thank you for that one. Yeah, it's a good movie. Mom, please. Stop calling me. That was Scorsese's mom. That's my favorite scene in the movie. Scorsese's actual mom is in so many movies.

Scorsese's mom is in Goodfellas. It makes them like the dinner at night. after they kill that guy in the bar. What a legend. I forgot if that was her painting. She holds up like a painting in that scene. I forgot if that was her, is that she actually painted or not.

Yeah, good for Scorsese's mom. She's acted in so many movies. All right, question time. Let's do it. Let's answer some questions from the community. If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer on the next episode, head over to the Sardonic Arsredit.

Ralph will leave a thread. and you can ask us whatever you want. Let's start off with one from New Vegas 19. What's the hardest you've intentionally slash unintentionally laughed at a movie? Huff. Pop fiction, like the Sam Jackson scene, where he kills each two guys. There's so many.

The one where he gives the Bible lecture and then shoots those two guys with Chivalta. That was an hysterical moment for you. Yeah. That whole scene. Mine would be fateful findings when When Jim gets killed No no no You killed him

And then later Neil Brains like Jim I can't believe you committed suicide I cannot believe you committed suicide How could you have done this? How could you have committed suicide? I laughed so hard That my roommate two floors below me had to come upstairs to see what was so funny.

I'm on the top floor, he's on the basement. Sometimes something just catches you. I didn't know sound could travel that much in the house. So I guess that would have to be my answer. That's the power of the old brain. Oh man. Classic. Alex?

What about an intentional one? An intentional? What do you mean? Like intentional from if it was a comedy. Well, like laughing at Pulp Fiction. It's not because it's bad. It's because it's funny. Whereas fateful findings, that's just funny because it's just the fact that it exists.

Yeah, because my like, my unintentional one would be, it's called Life's a Jungle or something. It's like a bad animated movie, like a straight-to-d-d-d-d-a-d-off movie. There's just something about really bad animation in certain forms, like really half-ass, like, if it can be really annoying, but if it catches you at the right time with an image, so just unexpected or just out of the blue that that one just it broke me couldn't take it hmm hmm scorch's pfg tv makes me laugh really hard not intentionally do you guys know what that is

no scorch's pfg tv no i have no idea what i did a video on it oh yeah it's like a cable access reality it's like cable access talk show it's basically a fruper pumpkin made a talk show oh great that's what it is oh dude yeah I saw some memes on your subreddit. Good. So, yeah, look up some scorch. Okay. I think that my hardest laughs would be at unintentional humor just because I love that so much.

But I guess in terms of intentional humor, I don't know, probably somewhere in Nirvana the Band The Show or Nathan for you or, I guess movies, some of the funny. funniest comedies for me would be something like smiley face with Anna Ferris but I've never I've never like gauged how loud my laugh was at any of those fateful findings sticks out in my mind because I didn't know sound could travel like that in my house so obviously it was it was a huge laugh in there oh goodfellas goodfellas has the one of my clown scene with Joe peshy that's probably the funnest you've ever seen there's a a memorable scene for me in the comedy in the loop with Peter Capaldi.

It's one of those unexpected things where his character is like the comedic sort of anchor of it all. He's like this really angry Scottish guy. And he's in America at one point in the movie. And he's like his whole character is that he's like always about to explode. So anything can set him off. And like this like huge morbidly obese American ticks him off. And you can imagine the Scottish rage that comes out. And it's just so over the top.

That got to me the first time I saw. Sounds great. Yeah, I'm sure there's others I'm not thinking of. Not every comedy can get to me. Yeah, that's the thing. I think I'm kind of similar where it takes quite a lot to get an actual reaction that's more than just... Yeah, exactly. The highest selling, the highest grossing comedies are usually ones that I find like,

yeah, that was, you know, chuckle maybe once. sort of thing. Grownups too. I guess one of the highest grossing comedies that I've seen that I genuinely laughed at would be like

Borat and Bruno movies. Yeah, they have their moments for sure. I love the awkward humor. That is an element of like real too. It's like we're actually watching people be uncomfortable. I love cringe humor. It's just getting cool. I love it so much.

I watched Caddyshack recently. That was kind of funny. But that's just like goofy shit. Yeah. Like Bill Murr. he's chasing a fucking groundhog like it through a golf field it's like it's just hilarious

it's like such a bad puppet too I almost forgot one that's for sure should be mentioned here black dynamite 100% yeah especially like the first couple times watching that movie even even now like I rewatched it again earlier this year

still hilarious Kung Pow great yeah that has its moments definitely yeah okay well never lost 20 as well on for us. There's somewhat of a stigma about going to the movies alone. As people who watch movies in a professional capacity, does it still exist for you at all? Or not as much? Not as much.

Personally, I don't care. Honestly. Yeah. A lot of people do it. I guess because it's seen as kind of an activity, like going bowling or something. Like, do many people go bowling by themselves? I guess if you're professional. Yeah, if you're professional, yeah. Well, if you're watching like a movie that's like an event you should go with a few friends because a lot of people go to see those but I we often see movies like fucking first reformed or so like suspicureate movies no one wants to see like none of my friends want to watch like shit like that I can usually find friends that'll watch movies with me no matter what they are which is nice yeah but which is good yeah I mean but a lot of people don't have that luxury where oh let's go see this really indie film and

together a lot of people have nine to five day jobs and can't see a movie and I'm like Tuesday morning. Exactly. I'm actually quite fond of the solo experience now and again. It's nice. Absolutely. Yeah, there's no distractions and you can just focus on the movie as long as I usually do like two movies because I'm there already, like by myself.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. Sometimes I'll see a movie on a whim. Like I had ruined my sleep schedule and then I was already out and about. And then I was near a theater. I was like, oh. the new Star Wars is playing

I guess I wasn't going to see it it was the solo a Star Wars A Star Wars story and so I watched solo solo solo and I was like okay well that was all right It wasn't great And you loved it

I mean I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would But I just I wouldn't have seen it otherwise I was already out of the house Like oh I need something to do To keep me awake and I don't really fall asleep in movies We have one I'm curious about From Vince's depressed

Chin up Do you believe in conspiracy theories The more spectacle ones Like Area 51 having aliens For example No That one's all bullshit There's some that are real

Epstein Gulf of Tonkin Yeah so you don't think that we've ever had Wait about the Area 51 Yeah So do you think there's an area 51 out there with like aliens? No.

I mean, there's certainly government secrets, but who knows if it's aliens or not, right? And I bet they're a little more complex than just there's an alien. Yeah. Probably involves a lot of different names and fucking countries you don't know, never heard of. There's definitely classified information that governments are keeping from the public. The September 11th ones are the absolute worst.

The ones that think like, oh, was a hologram or something? Doesn't even make any fucking sense One of them is like they painted thermite on the building Beforehand and then detonated it Like what the fuck you can't even if you did that Like the walls aren't what support the building It's like the fucking beams So the steel beams you'd have to paint thermite directly on the beam

It's in 80s sense People love to speculate man There's a conspiracy movie that you can watch on Amazon Prime video called Zikegeist Have you guys ever seen it? No No No

I've seen the post Oh, man. It was so nostalgic for me because like when I was growing up with the internet, there were films like zeitgeist and loose change and like a bunch of conspiracy things that, you know, if I was watching as a 15 year old and I would just, you know, I would just believe everything I saw because I would be like, oh, well, somebody researched this and not think twice about the credibility of what was being researched or how it was researched. But I would still recommend zeitgeist as long as you watch it with a grain of salt and, you know, don't just automatically believe everything that they're saying. Because when you watch things like that, I think that it's important to understand and empathize with people that have different beliefs. And so even if you disagree with something, to at least understand why someone else believes something, and watching that film in particular, like zeitgeist, and especially the way it's presented, it's so, it's like the music that they use in the background, the tone of the narration and the voice, it's like, it gets you like pumped into it. And there's bits of truth sprinkled in there too, like things that are like undeniably true. And so it's like it's it's fun.

It's almost like larping as a conspiracy believer when watching them. I would recommend it for sure. Cool. It's not great. I saw one I saw one on Netflix about Bob Lazar, that guy. He's like some guy who was in area 51 and saw a UFO or so he says and this documentary was made about him, but he doesn't have any proof for it or anything. And Mickey Work did the narration for it. And that was fucking all. Nice. I recommend that one if you want to cringe. Yeah, I can't, I don't know if there's, because you could call Epstein's murder a conspiracy, but nobody seriously believes that he committed suicide. Like no, no serious person actually believes that.

There's, there's, even the people who are saying that in the media don't believe it. They're just saying it, right? So is that a conspiracy? theory, technically it is, so that's one I believe in. Oh no, the camera's cut out there. At that exact moment. Oh no. It just becomes addictive to people, doesn't it?

Just the concept of, there are secrets being hidden from me. The truth is out there. I know something that other people don't. That's occurring to people. Yeah, but then everything becomes a secret and everything's a conspiracy. Yeah, where does it end? Where do you draw the line? Exactly.

Everyone's against me. That's part of the reason why I don't. don't like hate people that believe in conspiracy theories like because there is this environment where governments are keeping secrets from people right like if the government didn't lie about so many things governments didn't lie about so many things then it wouldn't be as forgivable for people to believe in like every single conspiracy theory but because there's so much that we're constantly lied to about it's like okay well I guess I can you know I can understand why believe everything's a conspiracy, even if I draw the line at a different place.

Sometimes bad things just happen, and people don't know how to process it. And so they think it's some government conspiracy. Alex Jones on about Sandy Hook, how some government false flag or whatever. It's like sometimes fucking, there's just a crazy person that does something awful or a disaster, a natural disaster. People just don't know how to handle that. Every single time there's some sort of a mass shooting in America that gets any kind of media attention there's always people that are saying this is a false flag

so that people take away our guns but it's like the one argument that I have against that is if the goal by having these shootings was to take away your guns they're certainly not doing a very good job at it like the government never took away your guns statistically gun sales go up every time one of those happens

so I mean if there's a conspiracy if they are false flags and they have to do with like gun sales in the NRA, then wouldn't they be false flags in order to sell more guns? Because that's what's happening every shooting. How could it be a false flag to take away your guns when the only thing that happens after every single one of those

is gun sales going up? It would be the opposite if it's a conspiracy. Everything's a false flag. Yeah. This podcast. But we need them. It's a false flag. You need the occasional conspiracy theorist and whistleblower. It's like a balance, isn't it? You need to have the people that are out there

who are willing to dedicate their lives this kind of thing, just on the off chance. You actually have to have something, though. You've got to have proof. Usually that takes a long time, lots of investigators and journalism even. The whole thing with like the Catholic priests molesting little boys over the 90s

and like that was fucking crazy. No one had ever heard of that shit before then. You know, so it is needed and definitely it had an impact on society, that coming out. Or like the Me Too stuff. I don't know if that kind of correlates in. But yeah.

Trust but verify. Yeah, exactly. Verify. Yeah. Like don't make up your mind in an extreme direction in either way without any sort of evidence. Yeah. Especially like how people give so much, like, credence to some of these, like,

behind the scenes governmental sort of happenings. Like, you really think that the same people who can bear keep potholes out of the roots or run the NHS competently or anything like you really think they're able to do these like things like chem trails and control us and stuff

they're just people at the end of the day they're just working within this weird system that's restraining them to behave in a certain way and they're just doing their jobs I think part of it is that people put celebrities and politicians on such weird pedestals that essentially dehumanize them

where they're so unrelated like they're elite and so people make up all these justifications for them being you know not a part of the public when in reality some people are just detached because they're billionaires and they don't know what it's like to live like a normal person but to imply a lot of the conspiracy theories that exist like the illuminati and all that like a you'd have to be implying that so many people are in on it that are just like all keeping their mouth shut B, it doesn't make any sense that if it's a secret, why they would put the pyramid and eye symbols and

like everything like well like if it's supposed to be a secret why are they doing that? Right? Like hey everybody, the Illuminati exists. Ha ha! And I think a lot of it goes hand in hand with people that believe in like, you know, Satanism and stuff like that. Alex Jones is

you know, whenever whenever it comes down to the justification for why these conspiracies are real, he's always like, it's to turn us away from God and Satan worship and stuff like that. A lot of these people believe that. Global listener took us down. Yeah, exactly. People believe that in the entertainment industry.

They put like satanic messages in children's films. There was a whole thing like that in minions. Oh, with the Lion King too. They erased the sex thing. But that was just some animator probably fucking around or an accident. But now people think like there's legit satanic messages. Yeah. As if just sex as a concept is like Satanism, but.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's satanic because God does not want you to have sex until you're married. No, no, no, no. No, no. But liberal Hollywood does not want, they want you to have sex immediately. Yeah. Compare it to like all the movies that exist where it's like, oh, James Buns, fucking all these women.

Look at how much of a player he is. Like, that's just so overt. Like, why don't you call that satanic worship? Why don't you call it? Like, why is it have to be Lady Gaga? I was in, when I was in Edmonton finishing up my, uh, high school diploma equivalency there was uh it was basically at this campus where there was everybody there was only there getting their uh equivalency because they had failed at regular high school whereas i just

dropped out because i didn't like it uh and so there were a lot of interesting characters and i remember we had there was some sort of assignment and you know how that sometimes they they hang up the assignments on the walls outside of the class and i was just going by one day and i saw uh somebody wrote an assignment on why Rihanna Rihanna and Lady Gaga are a part of the Illuminati trying to turn people away from God through their lyrics

and they cited examples. I'm like, you handed this in to your teacher and it was really funny and I remember just like I would purposefully walk in that hallway just so I could go by and read it every day and laugh. It was really funny. They just be searching for something to believe in.

Yeah. People are something to believe in. and if it's something like that, they attach themselves to you. I think it's fun. You ain't ruining people's lives. Go for it. Yeah, hopefully. It is kind of funny. We got to talk about this one.

There are too many questions about this topic, and it's, I suppose, I'm relevant to this episode. Great Muncher asks this. What are your thoughts and feelings on what Martin Scorsese said about Marvel movies? Do you agree with him or just think he's an old fart? What did he say exactly? He said Marvel movies. are the equivalent of theme park rides

and that then kind of not actual cinema. Yeah, that they're conditioning audience members into expecting amusement park rides rather than actual challenging films. I think there's some truth in what he's saying for sure. Yeah. There's definitely some truth in there. Well, you've got to look at the movies

that are the most successful this year. And they're all like really dumb, big budget, CGI, remakes, reboots, sequels, superheroes. It does kind of feel like, made by Disney,

yeah, it does kind of feel like we're just walking into a Disney attraction now. Joaquin. And they're all the same. They all feel the same

because they're all made by the same people. It is a great way to describe that kind of event movie. But I don't think that necessarily means it isn't worthwhile

or valuable to people. Because there's still like filmmaking, but it's a different type of film. making it's it's completely different like the the production behind the lighthouse compared to avengers end game it's like a completely different level and and there's there is like a an art to be able to

make something kind of cool out of a system like that yeah if you're really like looking for something to appreciate yeah because i think there are a lot of the marvel movies that are just completely forgettable not worth watching but i think there are a couple in there that do have a voice and do have something a bit more to say. Absolutely. Obviously, if, like, you just watched Ant Man 2 and then we're like, you could make an assumption maybe that they're all just shit and like that and all the same. But you're not going to have the same level of knowledge compared to someone that is sort

of like, it kind of reminds me of like, do you think people were saying this about like Westerns when they were just countless Westerns being plotted out? I'm sure. They're directors that felt the same thing. Because they were like cheap to make Westerns. That's why people did them. Yeah, exactly. But there are still, like, great westerns and really bad westerns.

And it's a similar thing. Yeah, people shouldn't take, like, the worst examples from that genre and use it as, like, because you could talk about Dark Phoenix and all you want, like, and say, oh, this is like a shitty, stale theme park ride. But you do get the good ones. You do get Jokers and Avengers Endgame and Infinity War. They happen. They just, you know, you do get crap like Dark Phoenix as well.

And Justice League and all that. The Leeches, yeah. The leeches, yeah. It is becoming more common. And, like, the absurdity of, like, spending $10 million on a CGI mustache. Like, that's never been done before. It's getting more and more absurd. But it's still the same.

The money side is absurd. You're right. They've always just been about profit. There's always shit being made. It's fine. Yeah, I think that the issue is not something that's new. It's just that Disney has got. gotten a lot better at selling people this type of thing. Like people have always liked popcorn

movies. When people go to the movies, it's not really about, oh, yeah, I want to learn something about the director. It's, oh, this has Hugh Jackman in it. You know, I think the average audience member is looking for some way to kill time to forget, forget about what's going on in their life, you know, have some fun, like an amusement park ride. And just because movie studios are getting a lot better at delivering that to people, I don't think it's necessarily a new thing in terms of what general audience members want. I do see it as a problem still because we're seeing a lot less original ideas. Like I said, there's never going to be another Matrix. And for some reason, people thought that meant that I was saying they would never be another Matrix sequel. But

what I was talking about was like a big original idea being green lit by a studio for a lot of money. you know, great concepts that are risk-taking. You don't see a lot of those anymore unless they're directed by Christopher Nolan or Quentin Tarantino, people who have proved themselves to be able to sell a film regardless of what the film is.

Also, the home experience is becoming more popular. So these studios, to get people in the theater, they're like, okay, we got to pump it up. Tons of CGI, tons of action. You've got to get butts in the seats. 120 friends per second. You can't do that if you just release. Yeah.

You can't do that with like a $30 million dollar drama unless you got fucking the Joker in it or something. Yeah. I don't think it's, I can't say it's really ruining anything, though. Like we're still getting countless great movies every year. Like if it really started impacting the way we were actually able to even consume new movies and that like we just straight up couldn't get the kind of movies we are now, but as a result of just this total monopolization of this. this industry.

Well, I guess the trajectory is what's worrying about it. Like good movies, for example, like, they all have to be just like Joker now? Like, it's like taking an old concept, attaching a recognizable character slash property to it. And that's the only way to sell movies now. Like, that's a genuine fear.

Like, what if they just start doing that? Yeah. They just start remaking movies just with famous characters in. And that's just the way they're good. It's more of an issue for big budget studio project. than anything else. Like that's how the industry has shifted. Right now, there are more creative, original voices in cinema than ever before.

It's easier to make an independent movie than ever before. It's easier to distribute it than ever before. You know, we're getting a lot more movies and a lot more voices, just mostly on Netflix or digital, and you might not be able to see it in theaters, which is sad in its own way, but, I mean, they still exist, at least. They're making money. Yep. So that's good. Yeah.

Netflix is kind of filling that hole for me a little bit. Like, you get your Roma's. God damn it. Yeah, you get your Roma's. You get like, isn't the new Scorsese movie coming to Netflix soon? Yeah. You're still getting these great films. The breaking back film.

There's all sorts of quality. We just are devouring it in a different way now. Mm-hmm. I just wish they were more experiences like Roma that were just released normally in a theater. and I could go see it. I do wish that. And I think that's more what Scorsesey's hinting at more so than, is that that's all people want to see.

And that's all these studios want to push. Have films like that ever been marketable though in the same way? They used to be. Yeah. A long time ago now, right? Yeah, you could used to just sell a movie on two stars. It didn't matter what it was about. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, fuck, go on island.

Whatever. People go see it because it's them. We're like the Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie. That's the worst. I don't even know what the fuck that's about. It's like one of those Yeah What we've seen the latest thing is like

There are two the rock movies Oh yeah They look identical It's like a Disney one and a universal I don't know It's like Jumanji and then Jungle Book right It was a It's like a Disney thing

It's the There's a jungle cruise The Jungle Cruise Sorry not Jungle Book Yeah And they both look Based on the ride Based on the least popular ride

That's the movie Where there were articles that came out probably close to a year ago saying Jungle Cruise will feature Disney's first ever openly gay character hint it's not the rock and the character that it was is like I'm not even sure I saw him in the trailer so like it's it's gonna be one of those things guaranteed where he's so insignificant that you can just easily edit him out for China

so oh man yeah it's the same with the Marvel movies because I watched that South Park about China. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So good. Which is really, really funny. But it made me think, wait, yeah.

Like, with how people are always accusing the current Disney for like, for lack of a better word, SJWing their sort of cast or whatever. But we haven't actually seen a gay character in the MCU. Because China. But technically Marvel fans will say, no, there is one. Apparently in Thor Ragnarok, the lead supporting actress in that movie is a gay character. but there's no way you'd ever know that without really like searching into it. You got to keep it marketable for the Chinese censors.

Yeah. Like in Beauty and the Beast, all those articles came out. Like guest, what was the guy's name? Like guest on's friend? Yeah. Like his little sidekick. They're like, he's gay. And there were actually theater chains in the states that were boycotting the movie

before it was even released. Like, this is trying to corrupt our children. They're trying to recruit our children to the gay agenda. And then you watch the movie and it's like, oh, he does. He just, he, like, danced with a man at the end, and it was supposed to be kind of funny. And the only real reason why anybody said he was gay was because, like, some random journalist asked the guy a question. Like, do you think your character's maybe gay? And then what do you say in that situation?

You have to say, like, oh, there's a possibility. Because if you say, no way, then you're just going to make people angry, right? And so then people just interpret it however they want. Yeah, exactly. It's so annoying. That's the only reason that there's some Scorsese article even existed, because he was asked a leading question to trap him. into an obvious answer that you'd give like this. Of course Scorsesey thinks this.

Like, it's not like that groundbreaking to figure this out. I can't believe people are so upset about it. I feel betrayed by Scorsese who doesn't think that Marvel movies are the best cinema. I'm not going to watch the Irishman. I will never watch a Scorsese film again.

I am boycotting Scorsese. Boycott. Yeah. But it's Netflix. It doesn't even matter if you watch it or not. You don't pay for it. Yeah. Unless you cancel your Netflix I guess people do that They do that out of protest

I don't know They want to rewatch Breaking Bad or something I'll be back The office They're gonna get Disney Plus Yeah Watch the office again Which has everything

Except Song of the South I wonder why That should be our next recommendation Yeah One more question or no Sure Yeah I got a short one here We can end on

From listen to Mourthless When will you guys learn how to pronounce the word Homage? Ralph and Adam have mispronounced it countless times. To my knowledge, Alex has yet to use the term. Homage? If he's the one reading this question right now,

he probably just said it. Omage. Side note, I love and worship all of you, even though Adam doesn't like being put on a pedestal, lull. I love you too. Omage. I love you too. But homage.

Is that not how you pronounce it? Homage? Homage. Is it not just like a regional thing then? It's homage, I think. Really? Homogenized. I think it's homage.

I swear it's homage. This person's crazy. This is going to spark a debate. Forget about the hot dog thing. How did Rupertukin? Forget about all this. Forget about pineapple or any of it. You know what?

I'm going to Google search this shit right now. Yeah. Google search it and play the audio and see how they say it. Homage. Homage. Okay, let's see. Homage. Oh.

Said homage. Wait, let's see. Omage. But is that thing. Amage? Amage Amish Amish

Amish Amage Amage Amage I don't think it matters I think people know I'm confused I'm confused

I know I give Ralph shit a love for mispronouncing things Yeah I mispronounce things all the time This is just another one on the list I don't think I'll ever say it like that list is Adam 1, Ralph 15, something like that. Keeping track?

I bet someone is. Yeah, tally it up. Yeah. Somebody do it. Rupert Pupkin is sitting watching my videos. Yeah. Fucking tiling away every time I say something. Well, I mean...

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I don't think I'll pronounce it that way ever. Sorry. It's been a homage episode of sorts. All right. sounds wrong don't like you all right

I guess it's time for recommendation if we were going in order it would be Alex's turn but I am sniping it we've agreed to this beforehand I'm not that mean we're swapping so he'll do the recommendation

the episode after this because there's a movie that I want to recommend that is not only like Halloween like a queen-esque movie and that's coming up soon. But also a movie that I want to talk about with a guest that's going to appear on the next episode. I'll explain who that guest is after the recommendation.

The movie is Thirst, 2009, director of Old Boy and also the handmaiden, Park Chanwick, I believe. I'm very excited. Yeah. There's two different versions. There's a director's cut. I think there's about 13 minutes of difference. I've only ever seen the director's cut, and I've seen it quite a few times. It is a long-ish movie.

I think it's like 2.15 to 230, like two hours, 30 minutes or something. So I'll be watching the director's cut. I don't think it'll be a huge difference if you don't. It might be a little hard to find, because it is, the Blu-ray I have is literally, like, it was limited edition out of print. I don't know why, but whatever. I'm sure you can find it somewhere even, even if it might not be legal.

What? And I'm not recommending you do that because that would be illegal. But if you did it, hypothetically, just buy the regular version also to make up for it. Support the creators. Support the industry. Yeah. That's the recommendation.

Great. I would call it my favorite vampire movie. Oh, nice. That's all you need to know about it. We got a guest next episode. If you want to, in the question thread that's out, if you want to leave some questions that might be tailored towards our guest, David F. Sandberg, director of Shazam, will be joining us.

He will also be watching The Lighthouse. So he'll be a part of that discussion as well. Awesome. Hype. If you want to support the show, $2 a month. Sardonicast.com, sign up for premium. You'll get these episodes early when they're edited. Also, patreon.com slash sardonicast.

Also, we got merch. Also, the only way to actually watch our next episode on Halloween would be if you get it early, because it's going to come out slightly after Halloween, I think, like November 4th otherwise. Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks for listening, guys. That was great. Thanks everybody. Talked about three good movies.

Yeah, check the subreddit. Incredible one. For the question thread, Ralph will leave a thing. I'll leave a thing. Yeah. Remember when you used to say, Alex, that he would leave a funny thread, but now you just don't say that anymore? They're not funny anymore?

No, I just don't. Because sometimes they are funny. Sometimes they're just normal. Yeah, the past few months have been busy, so I just, yeah, I kept a normal. You're not going to hype it up. No. Maybe I'll write something a little special for this one. Okay.

I like the Delo Feligetz one. That was a good one. Oh, God. Thanks. Yeah, that's the thing. I kind of ran out of them. I got to start, like, making lists of more. All right.

Thank you all for listening. Love you guys. Yeah, thanks. Catch you on the flip side. Bye-bye. Bye.