Sardonicast - Sardonicast #50: The Irishman, Buffalo ’66

Episode Date: December 31, 2019

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Three, two, one. It seems to day, that all you see is Sardinicus. That's all I was going to do. All right. I was loving that as well. Yeah, well. I love Seth McFarlady. He's so funny.

Yeah, I bet I know. It was so funny. I was kind of, it was kind of cringing while I was doing it. I don't, I don't like the show. It got bad really quickly. I'm Adam from your movie sex. I'm Ralph from YouTube.com slash Ralph. the movie maker.

I'm Alex from I. I'm Aitchie. I got to ask you guys a quick favor if I might. Sure. Like you've already betrayed me a little bit, Adam, by making me laugh. Because I still got cold. Yeah, I can tell. As soon as I laugh, that's when the coughing begins.

I don't know. Yeah, apologies for anyone listening. Yeah. Cold time. So the favor is to not make you laugh? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, straight face.

Don't be funny. Don't say anything funny. You can't say that, though. You can't say it that way. Don't be humorous, alright? Oh, fuck. Play it straight. Why would you say this?

I think that makes it easier to make you laugh if you're picking that way. Oh, no. Just be quiet and move on. Now I feel bad. This is torture. I could just make fart noises that would make you laugh. Oh, God. My phone.

No, no stuff with farming. I'm not that little, bro. Was that someone's phone, by the way? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was my phone. Yeah, it was my phone. Okay. All right.

It's off the table. So we watched, there's a few movies we watched that we wanted to get to. I'm sure next episode will be pretty packed with Star Wars and Cats. I don't know if you guys will be seeing. I don't want to see cats. I don't want to pay money to see it. Scott's dragging me to see it. Anyway, we're recording this episode a bit early, so sorry if you want to hear about those things right now,

but we haven't seen them yet because it is currently December 16th. So anyway, marriage story, I thought was one of the best movies of the year for sure in my top three. Alex and I have seen it. I thought Ralph would have seen it. I guess we didn't really commit to doing that for this episode. But what have you been busy doing? Seeing other movies. So I saw waves.

I saw a portrait of a lady on fire. I saw The Witcher, like that show that's coming to Netflix. Oh really? Like a premiere of that. Yeah, like it was the premiere. What? And like I met... Yeah, so I went there and then they were like, oh, you guys are going to get to meet Henry Cavill. I'm like, what? Okay. I guess I can't turn that down. I really tried to turn it down. But they were like, no, no, no, we'll get you taking everything. And it was like a private booth.

And I was like shaking hands with Henry Cavill. Oh, that's cool. I was like, oh my God. Yeah. It was weird because, you know, I've made fun of him for beats. Oh, yeah. And I asked him about the sniper. I was kind of making fun of him, honestly. Oh, that's great. I would have, like, brought a mustache for him to sign. I didn't know who he was, yeah, I didn't know I was going to beat him.

That's crazy. Yeah, and the show was, I mean, I'll say this about the show. He was good in it. He's good as, what's his name, Gerald? Gerald. He, like, gets the voice down. Yeah. Oh, really nice.

I haven't played through the games yet. Yeah, I know nothing about it really soon. I played some of them. It's interesting, but. Have you, like, apparently, The third one's really great, so I don't know if you put that one. Yeah, I started the third one. Okay, okay.

It's just, it's just a lot. Yeah. It is a lot. You said he were also watching Disney Plus before we started the conversation. Oh, yeah. Kind of trying to- Lots of Disney Plus. Nudge you into that direction. Like, shit.

Like the Lizzie McGuire movie and like there's this movie on their Cheetah from like the 80s or the 90s. It's like garbage. So you're just watching a bunch of trash on there. Giving Disney money for it. Yeah, yeah. But they have some good stuff on there. There's like, they have all of the Spider-Man shows, all of them, like the animated ones. Like the 60s?

So I binge through those. Oh, like. The 60s, the 90s. Like, yeah, unlimited Spider-Man. So you can watch all those. Yeah. So I do get why they made the service because there's tons of stuff that they own that they just dump on there. Is it all forced, cropped widescreen or what?

I don't know. I don't think so. Because that was the- Controversy with the Simpsons. I think some of them were, though, yeah. Like the Simpsons. was. And you miss out on like actual visual gags that were intended in the original show. But it's common.

Like, when they made the wire HD, they got rid of the cropping because it used to be cropped 4 by 3 like a TV because it's an old show. Yeah. And they got rid of that, but it completely fucked up the framing of everything. Yeah, exactly. They framed it to be like 4x3. But it was just, you know, that's what they did. You can't mess with the intent of the directors.

Mm-hmm. But even that's better because you just take off the mat. Like you take off the cropping. They're literally like zooming in, like getting rid of part of the frame. Yeah, exactly. On the Simpsons. It's terrible. It's bizarre that they would do that.

Yeah. It's like it doesn't, it doesn't look modern enough. People aren't going to like it. Everybody's going to unsubscribe from Disney Plus as soon as they see four by three aspect ratio. Like, who the fuck thinks that? That was a conscious decision. They changed it.

They spent money on that to make it worse. And you don't have like a choice on the app or anything You can't choose the channel No, but there was enough controversy about it on Twitter That apparently they'll be changing it at some point Is what my understanding is The Spider-Man show wasn't like that It was the original

Aspect ratio So You know weird I don't know So yeah basically what you're saying is that Disney Plus is a great service That everybody should get or what Because I'm not getting it You really sold me on it

I mean I got it for free Oh good Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I forgot you got to get it with your TV thing. That's why. You got to keep reminding us so you can retain our respect. Yeah. I know a lot of people are just keeping it for the Mandalorian and then they're going to cancel.

But I haven't even started like, I watched one episode of it. It's going to be a season two, isn't there? Of course. Because it's doing well. All right. People got it just for the Mandalorian. That's ridiculous. That lady in the Trent movie looks bad.

And what's that other one? Noel. with Anna Kendrick. Yeah, that lady and the tramp movie came out last month and I didn't even realize. It was like, nobody talked about it. They kind of buried that one. Yeah, it looks like garbage. Marriage Story.

They didn't even want to release that one in theaters. Oh, sorry. Yeah, it was a story. Yeah, marriage story. I don't know what you think of it, Alex. I'm assuming you liked it since it's the same writer as Madagascar Free. I don't know if it's quite on the same level, but yeah. Yeah, yeah.

It was excellent. All the same. Mm-hmm. So you put it that high in your ranking. Yeah. My top three is Lighthouse Parasite Marriage Story in that order for 2019. Okay. And now I've seen Marriage Story twice.

And it's amazing. I love it. Very, very well written. I hope it gets screenplay for the Oscars or whatever. Even though the Oscars don't matter, obviously. But it does matter in terms of like a film. promotion and financial success for sure. Yeah, marketing.

Yeah, and it matters for the people that win awards. It helps them in the industry. It helps them to get projects funded. So I do hope that it wins screenplay, because I think it's one of the best screenplays of the year, if not the best, for sure. Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson both do amazing jobs, I think. But what really pisses me off,

I don't know if you're aware of this, and this is something that I really wanted to touch on, somebody took basically one of the most high, energy scenes of the movie where they're both like yelling at each other and this is not really a spoiler right the meme yeah and they they put that on Twitter and I don't even think the original post was trying to be critical But basically they just took took this clip posted the two minute video on Twitter it's saying it's been nominated They've both been nominated for actor categories at the Golden Globes or something and then all the sudden like it gets retweeted like six thousand times and everybody on Twitter who has

hasn't seen the movie is like, wow, what kind of bullshit writing is this? What kind of acting is this? It's like, you don't even understand it in the context of the film. And it's kind of upsetting. It's like the emotional climax in a way. Yeah, like you don't understand the buildup. You don't understand what these characters are going through and how they feel as though they're justified.

You don't understand the nuance between everything that's happening in the scene, in the whole movie and it's like you're just judging it by some tiny clip taken out of context. Like there's so many things you could take out of context in other movies that would seem goofy if you haven't seen it. And it's just, it's so upsetting because like there's apparently a lot of people that have just made up their minds about this movie without having seen it. Because of a meme. It's happening more and more. Like I mentioned it when we talked about Joker. Like that movie was getting mean before it came out and it affected perception. It's, it's just like a reality of what's happening now. You just have to be more switched on, I think.

Yeah. Society. You can't say society anymore. Without like getting memed. Yeah. It was in Mr. Robot last night too. One of the lines is like, we're in a society. Oh, yeah.

I actually was always done that, that wasn't it? Yeah. But it just ruins entertainment. Mm-hmm. Kind of in a weird way. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, it's so bizarre.

Because I'm struggling to, it's one of those things where the responses are just like vague enough. Like, like, they, assume everybody's on board sort of thing without actually having to defend their positions. So when they say something like, this acting's bad, I'm like, I want to know how it's bad. They say it's like too theatrical or something. They're like, this is terrible writing, but it's like, how is it terrible writing, you know? I think it's a bit different to judge a clip of a movie that's two minutes long, completely out of context like that, than to judge like a trailer or promotional material.

because if films being marketed I still feel justified in being like okay I'm not interested in seeing that movie and perhaps there are people in this gigantic Twitter sphere that are also justified and not wanting to see it because it's not the type of movie they would want to see or something

but it is just so bizarre because like I don't know out of everybody that I can think of that has actually seen the movie from start to finish I don't know a single person that didn't love it except maybe Armand Wade I don't know.

I can't really think of many flaws with the movie. Honestly, it's one of those movies where you just sit there, you enjoy the whole thing. And I guess the only thing I would say is that I think it's a film that will get better to me as I get older and experience more. Because it's in the name, marriage story. I'm obviously not married. I haven't my parents are still married. I haven't experienced what it sort of means to go through a divorce. I've been around people.

Yeah, hopefully you don't experience that part of it. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't exactly really convince you that getting married is always the best idea either because a big aspect of the movie is sort of showing off the just toxic system you have to work to go through a divorce and how it just tears people apart and it ruins families even if the people involved in the marriage don't hate each other. They still there is some love there but they've just grown apart or you know just simple just simple human things and just how that system can just grind you. down and just turn you into something that you're really not inherently. Yeah. Which is like really interesting. And the objective slant that the movie takes, I thought was really interesting.

Like every time they tried to make like a case with the lawyers, they made it a really balanced view as to like why certain rules with like divorce are in place and whatnot. So you really understood like, well, yeah, I guess it sort of has to be that way in a way. I can't think of any other better solution. And the movie's kind of telling me right now that they're really. isn't a better solution that any of us can think of. So it's just like the reality of it all and the sadness of that. Yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting. That's one of my favorite aspects for sure. And obviously we're keeping this spoiler free just because Ralph hasn't seen it. But yeah,

I just didn't mention that before to the audience. But yeah, one of the my absolute favorite aspects about the movie is just how nuanced it is. It doesn't really pick a side. Like sure, you're left to interpret. Exactly. Which side you would be on if you wanted to. But the characters in this film are all completely justified. It doesn't treat things in a black and white way. It's very, very real, and it's not manipulative in that sense. It's a very, very honest movie. And that's what I love about it so much.

It was really elegant in that way. This sounds great. It is very complex, and part of the reason why I think it's an amazing screenplay is because like it takes every element that should be in the movie and it's in there. It's not like a surface level exploration of what this would be. It's like everything that you didn't think about. Every angle that you didn't consider is in there. And it makes sense and it's necessary and it doesn't feel superfluous.

It doesn't feel unnecessary at all. Very, very thorough and well thought out movie. I think it's his best, honestly, Noah Bomback. I think you're probably with Madagascar 3, but... Yeah, I didn't want to have to say it, but... Is it funny? Because his last film was funny. Is it somewhat of a comedy?

Okay. Yeah. I'd say it's definitely more sad. It sounds pretty serious. Yeah. Yeah, but it has its moments. Yeah, it does have... It's got plenty of humor.

I think you'll definitely laugh at parts. Like, there's really funny moments within it, intentionally and or otherwise, but some out of, like, being awkward. out of like clearly trying to be a joke. But it's really successful in that sense. But yeah, the main draw of the movie, the main hook for me is like just kind of how depressing it is in ways. Yeah, I didn't find it too, like, too heavy. I thought it was more sort of bitter sweet by the end.

There are certainly points in the film where it is like a real low for some of the characters and it is really sad and really affected because of that. But yeah, I'm with you. With how serious it is, it doesn't get. Yeah, like silly ever. It just does stay very human, very realistic. Everyone can relate to these kind of situations, this kind of banter. Exactly.

Exactly. It's all relatable. It's not like so outside of an average person's experience where it's like some crazy tragedy that no one will ever experience sort of thing. It's all just like. I don't know how you couldn't relate in some way. This is sad, but it's something that like anybody can relate to. even if I you know obviously I've never been married or divorced but like I could relate to so many things happening in that movie just because like I've had so many like betrayals and broken friendships and shit like that of just like awful situations where you know you still care about the person and but shit just falls apart sort of thing you know like it's I feel like it handles all of that really really well yeah the more we're talking about it the more I'm actually like remembering how much I liked it oh yeah it's it's I don't think there's much at all that I dislike about the movie.

The only, like, real criticisms I have are, like, super nitpicky, just, like, you know, the way that some of the audio was recorded in some of the scenes, blah, blah, blah, like, nothing really important, so. Who do you think was the standout actor or character in the film to you? I like both of them. I think that I was more impressed by Scarjo, particularly in the scene where she's talking, with her new lawyer Laura Duren by the way Ralph which should

enticey her seeing it she was my favorite is David Lynch in the film get real yeah yeah Netflix you can watch it on your phone exactly yeah definitely it's streamable you can watch a movie on your fucking phone fucking telephone no yeah Scar Joe Scarlet Johansen was really great and I don't think she's ever gotten Oscar nom and this might be the year, which is weird. We'll see. It's Netflix.

It's very high profile. Yeah, it's Netflix, but Roma got nominated for a shit time last year. The best films of the year in Netflix films. Yeah, it's crazy. I would say Irishman. Yeah. They're really trying to legitimize their platform by doing these types of movies. Like, they're all about like getting Oscar movies now, basically. Yeah, they just do all kinds of movies. Like, they just made that Michael Bay movie, too.

Oh, yeah. Did you see that? It was, yeah, it was so stupid. Oh, you saw that, but not marriage story. I watched about two minutes of it. No, no, exactly. I didn't watch Marriage Story. I watched Six Underground.

It was a piece of crap. Oh, no, I watched it too. It was so bad. Oh, six underground? Yeah. Do you want to talk about that for a bit? I'm pretty much done about Marriage Story. I would give it a 9 to 10.

What would you guys give it? I would give it a four out of five. Oh, six underground? You're with me, Alex? Yeah, I'm with doing that one. I might give it higher actually I might give it four and our stars if I had to really sit down and think about it Are you talking about my marriage story still?

Yeah Okay good I'm not talking about this Michael Bay bullshit I watched a trailer and was like fuck that Yeah the trailer is more comprehensible than the movie Yeah I had no idea what was going on for most of it The first like 20 minutes is just like a bunch of shooting and flashing

Like lights They run over like tons of innocent people It's fucking hilarious What's the basic premise? Because in the trailer, Ryan Reynolds is like, the good thing about being dead is that, like, we're alive. Oh, my God. Every five minutes, Ryan, he's a billionaire. He kept having monologues about how he was a ghost.

He's like, we're ghosts. Oh, that's what he can't be seen or found by anybody. We're the ghosts. It's like every five minutes with that bullshit. But yeah, he gets, he fakes his death, but he's like a billionaire kind of. He invented neo-dimey. He's like an Iron Man type. Like a magnet.

Yeah. And so he puts together this elite team and they just go around. just fucking shooting everything. I don't know what they do. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. Yeah. That's pretty much it. They just go around shooting everything.

They literally just go around fucking shooting and like running their car and everything. Yeah. That's crazy. That whole opening action scene that's like half an hour long or some shit. And it's like the most ADHD editing of all time. There's like seven different shitty song choice changes. And they're all. so, they're all trying so hard to be cool.

But there's no establishing what's going on in that scene. It was so bad. It was so weird. A bunch of shitty slow-mo and there's like Dave Franco and like, oh my God. Dave Franco's in the movie for like 10 minutes. Ryan Reynolds had like a girlfriend character who showed up for one scene and then she never shows up again until the very end of the movie. Oh yeah.

And she's just like, like the whole movie is full of gratuitous Michael Bay, uh, hot women and blood. and like cool cars and yeah and it's just that there's like no substance to the movie at all like there's no story to latch on him yeah such as all of his movies basically yeah I mean no relatable characters or anything for sure no all the characters are fucking assholes they're like murdering innocent people like you're just described every Michael Bay movie movie it was definitely Michael Baye it's the point it's like cartoonish you're not supposed to take it seriously it was it was borderline parody right It's just boring now.

It's so, like, played out. Yeah. How many times have we seen the same thing? Yeah. It's not cool. I don't know. I felt like in the second half of the film, the action scenes got a bit more, like, creative and fun.

But in the first half, it was really, like, okay, there's shitty story, shitty characters, shitty everything, and, like, I can't even get a good action scene. Like, this action scene is really lame. The car chase scene was really lame. Wait, the first half of the movie was just like, it couldn't even... Yeah. Oh, remember there's this whole framing device where it's the past and then it's the present, but then they would flash back to four years before, and then it was like 14 months earlier for a little gag.

Oh, yeah. Like, the time frame of the movie makes no sense. If I could make a recommendation to people, don't give your full attention to the movie. Just put it on in the background. Put it on while you're doing something else. It's a movie for that. that is the ideal watching experience for Six Underground. On your phone, yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Do not give your full attention to this film. It does not start flashing lights. Yeah, the editing was the worst thing. It's terrible. Alex, watch like five minutes of it. From the get-go, you'll be like, am I on crack? The movie opens up.

It's just like, what has happened to Michael Bay? The movie is Michael Bay is on cocaine. Yeah. Yeah. Cocaine. Just tons of cocaine. And then he makes movies. The editor couldn't keep up with him.

It needs to be faster. He edits it himself. Oh, did he? That would be funny. No, I don't think so. He probably has an editing bay of like 25 editors. Editing Bay? Yeah, I was going to say.

And editing Michael Bay. Michael B-A-E. All right. I guess we don't need to talk much about that movie. You got a couple other things. could talk about. I give this one a two out of ten, six underground. What do you think?

Yeah, like the same thing. One out of five. Yeah, I think it's fair. Which one do you want to talk about first? Irishman or Knives Out? We got room for both, probably. We've all seen those, right? Well, I haven't seen Knives out.

I think I'm seeing it today. Okay. Damn it. Let's do Irishmen then. Yeah, I guess we haven't. All right, let's just do Irishmen. Yeah, just stick with Netflix movies. Yeah.

I mean... Is there anything else on Netflix? It's award season right now. And, you know, six underground... Smart way to do it. Looking pretty proud of it. Yeah, six underground's really good. Best acting from Ryan Reynolds.

He was really bad in the movie, too. He was playing like the Nick Fury character, but he didn't fit that. Oh, yeah. I'm just so sick at Ryan Reynolds. Thank you. Yeah. There's very few people that will say that. Is that...

Yeah, I'm over it now. I can't. This movie, I got sick of it. Yeah. He's doing the same... It's like the Deadpool gag again. Yeah. Yeah, but he's been doing that gag for like a decade before that even.

He's the same guy in everything. Yeah. But there's that poster for that movie coming out where he's playing an MPC or whatever. Oh, God, that poster looks so bad. Come on. It's the most Reddit, like, movie you can ever imagine. Ryan Reynolds's playing an MPC in a video. You say it's the most Reddit movie you could ever imagine.

I'm pretty sure it got... I'm pretty sure somebody said this would be a great... idea for a movie on Reddit and then it just got turned into a movie. Like, I swear to God, I've seen that on Reddit of like, wouldn't it be cool if there was like an NPC character that like, I don't remember, but like it was definitely big news on Reddit from like the concept until like obviously the actual trailer. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. If it was the same trailer with not Ryan Reynolds, I don't think people would be buying it.

It looks like shit. Oh yeah. I'm with you. I'll die on this hill with you. Everybody loves him. I don't hate the guy. He's probably very nice. But like...

Yeah, of course. It's just... He's in bad films. What are you gonna do? I mean, his range is an actor. Like, he's doing the same shit. He always does. Yeah.

He's playing Ryan Reynolds. I remember being right and buried. Do you see that? When he was buried underground? Yeah, he was pretty good in that. The whole movie was... That's the one thing. Yeah.

Whenever you say that... Whenever anybody says the title of that movie, all I'm thinking is Snake in the Pants. Because that was the funniest fucking thing in the world and I almost burst out. laughing in the theater he was it was underground for like I don't know like half an hour into the movie when all of a sudden he's like oh there's a snake of my pants that was there the whole time oh does that happen I didn't even remember that oh yeah that does it's like half an hour into the movie

and that's like the new conflict like oh there's a snake in my pants I just didn't notice before that was funny okay I mean yeah he was all right in that movie I guess but So the Irishman. So, Billy and Ryan Reynolds and go back to the Irishman. Yeah, Irishman. A story about Ralph and his life.

It's about my ancestors. Yeah. No, they're Irish. Silly. Joe Pesci actually. Is he? No, I think Joe Pesci is Italian. Yeah.

It's just mob shit. I don't know. In the movie. Yeah, it's just mob shit. I was going to love this movie before. saw it because it's a what it's about and who's in it who made it but I thought it was great I've seen it twice because I loved it that much yeah I know you was like I absolutely loved it yeah it's so good like for three and a half hours it is not dull

at all yeah can we talk about for one second because that's like the main talking point it seems to be about the media yeah it's like it all right it turns people off I think no it does It definitely does because I was recommending it to people and I mentioned the runtime and then they just didn't bother. You're like, what? Yeah. Yeah, it's a great example of a film that's like really long, but it does earn every scene. And I saw it in a theater actually. I managed to catch a screening of it.

So I was sort of trapped there, which was a good way to be forced to not, you know, pause it and look at my phone or whatever. And that was a great way of seeing it. but it never dragged for me. I thought that it was appropriate. And it really added to the gut punch of the movie at the end. I thought the length actually really added for the emotional impact to me. Yeah, it wrapped up in the perfect way, I think, without spoiling it. I don't think it needs to be a spoiler discussion, really.

No, no, no. I think the last half hour of the movie is, like, fantastic and really ties the whole thing together and puts it into context. Yeah. Really happy with how it ends and it makes the whole experience that much better. In terms of the length, I've noticed some people have made some guides on how to watch it as a miniseries. If it's like, okay, pause at this moment and then, you know, pick up from this moment. That's fun. I'm not totally opposed to that if it means that that's the only way that someone would watch it.

If they're like super uncomfortable with, you know, if they got like a busy schedule and they're always working and then they only got time for like an hour here and there and they want to watch the movie, then. sure, why not? I don't really... I'm not like too offended by it. No. But at the same time... That's just something we have to accept now. That's the way people consume movies. Yeah. When you put it on Netflix in that way, people are going to consume it in chunks. I think Scorsese knew that going in.

Yeah. This is a movie that'll have that kind of longevity. I am more about giving people freedoms for how they should watch things. So I'm like the anti-David Lynch in that sense. I think it's fine to... But there's also a way for it, it's intended to be seen in a certain way too by like certain filmmakers. Like Lynch, he intends for you to see his films in that way and he thinks it's like it does a film a disservice if you don't watch it that way. I understand his perspective.

Yeah. But like, you know, you have to accept that like there's. I love my boy David Lynch. There's some people that will never watch things in the ideal way anyway. So you could argue that they're not going to. get the same experience and that's true but I mean you know you should still be able you should still

have the choice too if you wanted to they can always watch it again later correctly they can grow appreciation for it and then want to watch it that way yeah like I watched 2001 of Space Odyssey on my laptop the first time like when I was 13 and then I saw it in 70

millimeter fucking what eight years later or whatever like that's just what happens yeah you gotta start somewhere yeah I have a pretty good home theater set up, as I've mentioned before. I didn't really notice the digital effects for aging. Apparently, it stuck out to other people a bit more. I knew that it was something that was in the film, obviously,

because those actors are older than they appear in many scenes. So I was aware that there was some digital work done. It wasn't really distracting to me. I didn't really feel more. Yeah, it was pretty good for the most part, but the only thing on that kind of note that did stand out to me was just a couple of blood splatter effects, I thought, look pretty weak. They were just like, CG blood splatters. Yeah. Whatever.

If I have to nitpick anything, that's like my one thing. Yeah, there's some weird editing choices in the movie. Like, when Joe Pesci comes in, like, after, I guess he beats somebody up. Like, he walks into his house and his wife comes downstairs. The editing of that was, like, really bad. cut to like a wide shot of him and it was like the same angle and it was like a close-up. Yeah, I'd have to see it again. I'm not.

Yeah, it just wasn't, it wasn't like the quality I was expecting from like this kind of caliber of movie. But like nothing that would take away points or anything. There was like little moments like that. The de-aging was like noticeable sometimes watching it in a theater, but it wasn't distracting to like the story or anything. It didn't hurt the performance either. No, it didn't hurt anything. Yeah, along with the de-aging digital effects, there was a lot of really, really good practical makeup effects for, you know, going opposite, going further, aging them, I guess.

Yeah. And I thought that, you know, that along with the performances really, was really, really effective when they start getting older and they're like shaking and like it really, it means a lot for the actor to bring that into the performance. Like, I've seen so many movies where an actor will get put into old person makeup, but they won't act like it. And they're just walking around like they are the same age. Like, even professional actors, like, I think it was Julian Moore in The Hours. That was one that I noticed. And like, Jared Leto in whatever that movie was, Mr. Nobody, he, like, didn't really sell me as, like, being an old, old person. It was like the makeup that did the whole thing.

But when the actor and the makeup, they're both doing the job, it's really, really convincing. Yeah, when they were playing younger people with like De Niro playing his younger self. It wasn't as convincing. They kind of moved like older people. Like there's a scene he beats up a guy on the street. Oh, yeah. And like the kicking didn't look convincing. I mean, it didn't take me out of it, but still.

There's not that many movies that have this runtime that are this entertaining. No. Yeah, because we talk about it. But we've talked about it since I think the first episode about these, like, movies that can go upwards of like five hours, sometimes, four hours. And how it really is important to make your runtime feel earned. Yeah. I think the historical context of all this makes it interesting, too. Yeah.

Like the fact that you're actually learning about Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters Union and, like, how the mafia was involved. There's like this whole, all this stuff with like, oh yeah, I don't want to spoil anything. Yeah. But there's like conspiracy theory stuff. involving the mafia that's like famous famous, famous conspiracy involved in the government. And like, it's cool that they explored all that in a way that felt organic to the story. So, yeah, I think that added a lot. Yeah, I'm not familiar at all with like the real life events associated with it.

So that wasn't even anything that was on my radar, honestly. So I don't know how much of it was, you know, conspiracy or interpreted or, you know, accurate. It's like not true or definitely exaggerated. But it is it is grounded in that true story of all those people. Yeah. And that makes it interesting and like very believable. The film has a very clear message though by the end, which don't worry, I'm not going to spoil or anything. But I found it like a really powerful end note.

We really mentioned that last 30 minutes. But it really stuck with me the way that this film made. me feel because it's really sad it's really sad because it with that long that run time you get to really know these characters to the point where you can predict how they're gonna act based on just like the things other characters are saying to them you know the character so well you know exactly how they're gonna act and it just feels that you're very familiar with everything and it's just you're very intimately like aware of how these characters are like their relationships and where it's going and

And when the, like, penny does drop, like, it really is a sad tale by the end. And it really stuck with me on that note. Mm-hmm. Yeah, totally. Very purposeful and justified. Doesn't overstay its welcome somehow. Yeah. That's, like, a huge commitment.

And everything feels like it's progressing and building up on something else. It doesn't feel like it's lingering, which is a very big accomplishment for a movie. with this runtime because, you know, any other, well, not any other movie, but a lot of other movies that would be like three and a half hours long, it would be like, okay, get on with it. Like, you know, working towards like a singular point where it's just like, I just get there already, but it never really felt that way, which is pretty great. An amazing cast, too. Oh, yeah. Classic. It's like star-studded, fucking like Harvey Keitel shows up for like two minutes.

Uh-huh. Jim Norton's Don Rickles. It felt like a classic Scorsese movie Yeah, it did It felt like it was plucked straight out of the 80s Sort of thing Stephen Graham from This is England Showed up as a major character

I thought he was excellent A lot of people from Yeah, that guy He's also on boardwalk Empire Yeah A lot of boardwalk Empire people The woman who plays Joe Pesci's wife In the movie

Is the girl from Goodfellas Like toward the end Who Makes the sauce with Ray Leota Oh yeah It's almost a like a family reunion type film. Yeah. When I was,

the word to describe the film for me is just, it's a treat. Like, like, like I can't believe it exists. It's Marks-Corsese coming together with De Niro, Al Pacino, Hio Pesci,

and all these people in 2019, releasing a three and a half hour movie on Netflix. It's like, it's like a film lover's dream. Just like just being released with a watch for free. And, yeah, and it's great.

Yeah. This is how nostalgia bait should work. Is a new property. Yeah. with a lot of the same feels and a lot of the same people involved as these old things you love, not just, hey, I'm going to remake Goodfellas or something like that. Or like, hey, I'm going to remake Casino. You know, it's a new property, and it's like the same passion and energy is there.

And what's crazy about it is a lot of these actors, like, we haven't seen them really do this good of a job or, I guess, care this much in a long time. Or do anything. but Joe Pesci hasn't done anything in like 10 years or something I don't know like Pacino and De Niro like those are the big ones

and it's like okay you've been in a lot of bullshit and you've clearly not cared about anything for a while and now that you're back with like Scorsese it's just like oh yeah the director does make a big difference and obviously the caliber of the project you know they all clearly believe in it

De Niro's been in good stuff every once in a while like he was in silver lining playbook he was good oh okay But yeah, I forgot he was in that. Yeah. But it's like supporting roles like that.

He has to carry this fucking movie. And he's going from like when he's 40 to what he's 80 years old. And he's good. He's so good. And his stutter is like really convincing. And in one scene it's really sad that he can't get anything out when he's on the phone with this. Oh, I can't. Spoilers just come out of me like fucking nothing.

I just love the movie. I think it's so great. Yeah. Great soundtrack. really high energy fits the tone really well not too much to complain about in this movie at all yeah

I'm with you guys yeah everybody go see it if you haven't yeah I guess go see it in theaters whip your phone out right now stop watching

yeah just show off this podcast to watch that yeah it's longer than this podcast it's twice as long probably what would you guys well I give it like a three out of five

yeah It's a five, I'm giving it an eight. It could go up. But that's my initial viewer. I'm right in between you guys, I'd say. Four and a house styles. I loved it. Absolutely loved it.

Yeah. I acknowledge there's some minor technical issues, but that's not enough to take me out of it. The overall piece is, yeah, really powerful. The overall thing is great. All right. We could still We could talk about knives and waves

Knives out and waves Next time I guess If neither of you were seeing cats And I'm the only one seeing cats I might go see it Okay Yeah maybe I'll be able to have a little I don't know

I'm being dragged to the theater either way Even if I If I don't want to see it it It doesn't matter because Scott's just like He's been hyping this movie up Ironically obviously But like Guys it's cats

I just talk I don't even want to give them money, you know. Oh, yeah, but I don't know. Yeah. It's not that it matters, but... Yeah. Whatever. It's probably going to...

It's cats. Whatever. I'll be doing a double feature. Seeing Star Wars and Cats in the same day. It's going to be pretty good. Oh, wow. Yeah. Are we excited for the new Star Wars movie?

No. It's coming out fucking this week. I don't know if anyone is. Like, no one... Everybody's just ready for it to be. over sort of thing. It's an obligation to see the movie because it's like, well, I guess it's part of a trilogy.

People were counting down the moment the Force Awakens came out. It's coming out two and a half years. Yeah. Yeah. Now no one gives a shit. Yeah. I feel like everyone's still going to go see it though. It's going to be one of those. Yeah. Of course. Sure. Because you have to. I gotta see how it ends. You want

to be a part of the conversation. I just hope it was worth it. I just hope they had shit about that one. Yeah, they're scaling back their Star Wars properties because of quote, lack of interest or declining interest is what they said, which is really funny. Did they really say that? Yeah, Disney said that.

They're like scaling back their Star Wars shit. Yeah, which is hilarious. That's their takeaway. Well, I mean, like, they thought they could do the Marvel approach. They thought that they could just treat Star Wars like Marvel and just, you know, spam the shit out of it. Marvel, like, they were meticulous of Marvel. They took years for, like, that to be built up and become anything.

And they have way more material. Exactly. But yeah, they're starting from scratch almost with Star Wars because they don't have like these comic books to go off of and they're just like inventing and forcing in all these new characters rather than like plucking them from the pre-existing IPs. They actually did have a bunch of stuff to go off but they threw it all to the wayside. Oh, okay. So they could make this stuff instead. So that's another thing. Well, George Lucas wrote stuff for them like he wrote three movies for them, I think. And it's like, okay, take this outline and make the trilogy. And they just threw it. roll that shit out. And they came up with nonsense. If they came up with something better,

then maybe I would have been impressed, but they came up with nothing. Um, two billion dollars. I think was the reason. I think Star Wars is worth way more than that. You should have sold it for more. I don't know. No, not anymore. When he had it, it was worth way more. I mean the merchandising is where the real money is, let's be honest. When he owned it, yeah, when he owned it, when he was in charge. Like, uh, I forgot what it was. the merchandising rights ran out around the time Phantom Menace came out from like other companies

because he sold the merchandising rights to other companies So when he made Phantom Menace he kind of had that in mind I think Okay And he merchandised the fuck out of those movies And it was really successful whether you like the movies or not I mean we trashed it for an entire episode The Prequel Trilogy Yeah because they're bad movies

But there's more to it than just that he's thinking like the franchise he's thinking merchandising and all that shit was very successful yeah but you know because kids wanted that the prequels are partially responsible for why he sold it do you think I think he might be he might have been so like disenfranchised with Star Wars and being like well what do you want me to do then sell it

and then he's probably really regretting it and now he's probably really regretting it you see all these pictures of him on set on these new movies he's like so miserable it's like you can't I just I just I don't feel that much sympathy for him because it's like, what's the fuck? Obviously, you're not going to have creative control once you sell it. That's the point.

That's the whole point of selling something is that you're giving up that creative control. How can you be, like, you don't act surprised that Disney is doing something that's not your idea when you sell it to them. He could have part of it done. Yeah, exactly. He could have done many other things if he wanted to retain creative control.

I don't understand where he's coming from when he's like acting like a victim. here, Mr. 2 billion dollars. How many billions did he get for it? I think it was 2 billion. How many billions? From my memory. I think it was more.

Is $2 billion worth your ultimate creation? Like your most important? I mean, like he's already done so much with it. That's like how do you rationalize that? How do you convince yourself that that's a good idea? You know? Like that you have created the biggest pop culture phenomenon the most important IP of all time and then you sell it even though you're

already you've made six movies already you've got all this merchandise money you're so loaded you're so powerful why do you need it I mean yeah it's and now he's you get it's a four billion I guess but four billion four billion four billion yeah holy shit four billion four point oh six I believe so yeah well that makes it all right then because I figured it was more than two billion I could I don't know I think it's worth than four billion. Who the fuck I could be where the difference between one billion or four billion is even anything?

I'm not going to spend a billion dollars in my lifetime. Like, what's the difference between a billion and four billion really? Like, who, how is that going to affect your life? If you're a billionaire, you're a billionaire. You're going to live the same. Like, what's... It can't be reversed now. You can't get it back.

He can never get his child back. But it doesn't... I don't know. I don't know. because like at the same time the new movies exist and you can just not watch them. You know, it doesn't really ruin what already exists.

It just means that like whatever property is that he would want to create he wouldn't be able to. Yeah, but I just think it's so sad just thinking about him, like him satin is like ridiculous like house somewhere. Just like, what have I done? This fucking mansion. What have I done?

Crying with money. In his Darth Vader chair. Yeah, just crying and mopping up his tears with a hundred dollar bills. Wee-hoo. I don't I don't know It's fucking four billion dollars He's known as like this like real ahead of the curve

Sort of business man like the way he was in the early days There's tons of things to respect about him for sure Oh yeah big time It's just so what state of it is It's difficult for me to feel that sad about it though I just think on a creative level there is something really sad about it He made the decision Like that was his choice

But like people made mistakes A business deal that big you thought about it. Come on. That wasn't a whim. That wasn't like an impulse. Yeah, no. I can't feel too sorry for him. I'm not losing any sleep over it.

This is what you decided to do. You decided it was worth $4 billion to do this. Don't regret it after the fact. Come on. At least lots of charities are getting money as a result of one silver lining. Exactly. And we're getting great Star Wars movies. Yeah, anybody can just not watch them too

Think if he just kept it and like just till he died He would just never be Star Wars movies again Or unless his kids took it Or became, that would be maybe before he passed away He would make a public domain And then everyone can make Star Wars movies That would be cool Yeah

Yeah that would actually be really cool Because that was what made Star Wars cool After the prequel The fan community And Stiles just died yeah And that was one thing that was very respectable about George Lucas was he loved like all the fan stuff he was like the biggest like proponent of those and like not taking them down copyright stuff and like just letting anyone

make whatever they wanted and that was really cool that's what Disney really messed up because they're so overprotective of their brands that they didn't let any of the fan community or or like any of that extended universe stuff get thrown into what they're doing they just didn't want any involvement with that shit they made up big time all that all the books yeah it's weird and like Like that fan community has grown to not like the movies. Well, now it's a fan base so splintered that it's just... Yeah, because it's like they're trying to market Star Wars to a new audience that doesn't want it. It's so bizarre because I'm sure, like, young audiences do want it, and they are going to see it.

But then you have, like, there's, like, generational... But the movies aren't doing well. Solo didn't, but, like... Solo didn't do well. The last main ones, and Roke 1 or did over a billion. I hate chump change. No, but the solo one Yeah, that was

When you sell something to Disney, you have to expect that they're going to spam it and running into the ground until it's like not profitable anymore. It also kind of bugs me like the fan expectations too, like before Force Awakens. Everybody's like, holy crap, we're getting a new Star Wars movie from Disney. Everybody knew it was from Disney. Everybody was aware of this and now everybody's surprised that they fucked that up and that it's like this big soulless cash machine

and like what did you think it was going to happen you knew it was Disney that was making it like it's weaponizing nostalgia because like people cherish they cherish the films they love from when their kids so much especially when it's something like the original Star Wars movies

like people love those movies they're so important so of course everyone's going to like be on board at first but it gets to a point it gets to a point where you just can't take it anymore yeah it's just just really bad now. It's none of the same people making them. And Star Wars like as much as I enjoy the originals like there ain't much going on, you know, like in terms of like a plot or

anything. Like the original trilogy is like perfect. There you go, just leave it done. They tried it again with the prequels, whatever. It didn't really work. Let's just leave it. Because I was looking at movies that are coming out next year, right, 2020. And every single one of them, reboot, remake, sequel, superhero movie. It's like, it's just, it's just, it's, it's just, it's, it's, It took no time at all and we're already so sick of everything. Like I'd scroll through so many movies that are coming out next year to see a single one that I'm even interested in in terms of all these big budget shit. Yeah. Which is a fucking remake.

You gotta just, uh, you gotta watch out for the directors you love and support them and, uh, you know, vote with your wallet. People complain about this shit and then they just keep seeing it. So you got to, oh yeah, Jungle Cruise. Bad Boys for Life? Mm-hmm. What else? Moon? Ghostbusters.

New Milan. Wonder Woman. Sonic the Hedshog. New Top Gun. Top Gun Maverick. I saw the trailer for that. Why? Why?

The Kingsman. I don't know. I like Kingsmen, but it's like we're already going to prequels now. We're at the third fucking movie. And we're already abandoning the entire cast. Like, it's crazy. I don't know.

Yeah, it's a shame we're not actually talking about Knives Out. because there are elements of that movie that is like quite meta like acknowledgement of um the last Jedi in there yeah i heard about that like the social media kind of um not that aspect more as well i don't really want to say because it i guess it's yeah i i get going into the movie a bit but yeah that was interesting um how about godzilla versus king con stop i mean we've been in this situation for a while and despite that 2019 was still an amazing year for movies. You just have to know what you want to watch.

You have to support the artists that are actually doing creative things. Vote with your wallet. As soon as new ideas become more profitable than remakes, then that's what you'll see in terms of like the big budget studio sphere. It's up to the consumers to do this. You know, like the studios and Disney is basically just a byproduct of what people are spending money on. So, I don't know.

It's just got to be more conscious of what you're watching. Or you can see, do a little with Robert Downey Jr. Peter Rabbit, too. F of the fuck. So there was a film recommendation for this episode from last episode. And I think it's, it'd be pretty refreshing to talk about this. this is a person who is basically the opposite of this

big studio remake nostalgia cash grab thing we've been talking about. He is very independent. Vincent Gallo. I don't know if that's how you pronounce his name or not. But he doesn't really work within that sort of system

all that much. He is responsible for his own... He plays a very big role in terms of his own distribution. He makes the posters and stuff for his movies. He does his own music. You know, very few producers and doesn't really work with, like, big production companies. It's like kind of a rebel in a way. And so his first, his first feature film is what was recommended last episode by me, and I had not seen it

before. It's called Buffalo 66. If you don't want to get spoiled for Buffalo 66, because this will be a spoiler discussion. Go watch it and come back or some shit. What did you guys, Well, I guess I should probably describe what this movie is, shouldn't I? Yeah. So there's a man played by the director, Vincent Gallo, and he's a crazy fuck. He just gets out of jail, and he kidnaps Christina Richie and gets her to pretend that she is his wife, so he can kind of impress his parents who are very dysfunctional in terms of a family. family unit and there's a lot, I guess, about his insecurities and upbringing and overall

personality that gets more developed as the film goes on. And it's kind of almost like the Stockholm syndrome kind of thing, but you can tell that she cares about him and their relationship develops. And it's told in a very strange style. And it's, I guess it's an independent movie It was released in 2000 or whatever. What did you guys think? Yeah, it feels very independent. So he acts in it too. Yeah, he's the main character.

Yeah, he's the main guy. And he was pretty good. But yeah, I like the movie. I like how small scale it is. I think that works for it. I think the cheapness of it is what makes it so charming. Right. I liked it, didn't love it.

At first, I was a bit scared, actually. I was like, oh, no, is it going to be one of these times? type of movies when he goes into the bathroom and then the guy looks at his dick and he's like wow you've got a huge dick director of the movie oh yeah it's a bit uh-oh but it is there is some cleverness um and some really good like set up payoff kind of writing for a lot of the characters in the movie especially the main the main two in the family and as you just learn about how sad and messed up the whole dynamic is it it really is quite harrowing There are some things we'll get into that I thought they kind of, they didn't feel earned to me here and there.

Okay. Which we can discuss in a moment. But I do want to start with this one? We can talk about the weird, like, stylistic choices. Yeah. Which was some of the more unique and interesting things about the movie to me. Stand out being the tap dance sequence in the bowling alley, which kind of highlighted that the, like, dream,

dreamy, like not all there kind of nature of Christina Ritchie's character to me. It made her a lot more interesting because before that, I didn't really understand what her vibe was, like what she was going for because the character is kidnapped by someone she's never met before and she just goes along with this like ridiculous request which

I got to admit that did kind of bug me because I was like why would anyone agree to do any of this, you know? Like, I just don't buy that someone would behave this naturally and just be so into this, like, bizarre scenario, especially with it being, like, Christina Ritchie, you know? Yeah, well, I just took it. She was just that indecisive and desperate. Yeah, that's why I highlight that dream sequence

because it kind of made me realize, maybe she's just sort of her character. She's kind of flippant. she just like exists in her own world a little bit and just goes with the flow type of thing that's the only way i could really justify it because otherwise it's that's one of the aspects that didn't feel that earned to me because it ultimately is kind of a love story it's his main motivation for uh changing his mind because he his his whole goal is that he wants to get revenge for why he was put in in jail right with this um this football player who he's convinced missed missed a kick on purpose and so he he loses a bet he'd put down and so on so for money that he didn't have is indebted to like the mob it's almost like um weirdly reminded me of joker in a few ways like it's like really deranged main character yeah who like he put down by society yeah he doesn't like society he feels like a total outcast he hasn't have much luck with women like he's got

he's like messed up his family's horrible and he he wants he he's convinced that he's going to take the violent route at the end. You see in that kind of dreamy sequence where you think he's actually pulling the trigger and killing himself and there's like the freeze frame. Yeah, that was great. I really like that. Film is a really distinct style. Yeah, there's loads of really cool stuff like that.

The like the square frames that would like pop up. Yeah. Like when they showed like he was in prison. I like that. I guess bringing it back to that tap dance sequence. there's a lot of movies that attempt things like that and even within this own within the same film

you know with his dad lip syncing along to that record or whatever that one I wasn't like big into it all like it had the same sort of like okay spotlight lighting change sort of thing but I didn't really get much out of that and it just kind of felt like okay this is in the movie but why sort of thing

but then the tap dance sequence with Christina Richie I'm like okay this actually adds something like this says so much the characters in the situation and the way that it ends with like Vincent Gallo's sort of like his character's indifference to her and like he doesn't even care and he's like focused on his bowling sort of thing. It really sort of emphasizes, I guess, like the character dynamic between them in the film. And I feel like I feel like it added a lot to the movie. I loved the tone of what was going along there. And I felt like it was really, really fitting, I guess, pacing wise too.

and it made sense because like the ball was stuck like there was that moment where you know she had the opportunity to kind of break away and do that i really loved it yeah the stylization overall gotta be honest first 20 minutes or so of the movie i was not really enjoying at all i was having like i was having thoughts of like oh god is this going to be one of those things where i'm like gonna disappoint people again by not liking it so much like am i got any examples of ones you really didn't like well I mean just the it didn't really feel too earned in the beginning like it felt really kind of as you mentioned already

like the whole like oh I got a big dick like it's the movie is obviously very self-indulgent in ways and just it felt kind of pretentious in its style too just the dinner table conversation with like the parents

at the beginning felt really kind of like off. But I mean, like, obviously some of that's intentional, but like, there's like weird, like, lighting changes that I didn't like. And it just felt like really kind of dragging along in a sense. And then as soon as Mickey Rourke's character shows up, as soon as we get that scene, it just felt like a completely different shift. And I was like, okay, wow, like immediately as soon as that scene started, I'm like, okay, this movie is getting pretty good. And then I enjoyed it. it thoroughly the entire rest of the movie.

Like, I really loved it, the rest of it, but first 20 minutes, I was not on board. We'll have to see if, on a second watch, I changed my mind about the first part, but... Did you find the film funny? Yeah. Because it's kind of a crime comedy. It was, yeah, sort of quippy,

quite smart stuff in there, man again. The main character, because the main character is such an asshole. He's so unlikable. But it's because he's very insecure. I think that's part of it. girl when this girl actually starts like poking into him like okay what's actually going on with you he's like get away from me i don't want to he like goes to take a bat he's like don't look don't look at me

i like that element of it yeah you actually find out he's very fragile because like his parents made him so insecure because they're fucking terrible to him and they're assholes too i think that's part of why i didn't like the beginning as much also it's because you start to understand his like vulnerabilities as the film goes on whereas like from the get go all i was thinking is like this is one of the most unlikable characters I've ever seen in a movie. And the fact that he's the director too. Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, he's like an edge lord promoting his own behavior.

But then you find out he's actually kind of mocking that kind of character. He's like breaking it down. Like it's kind of pathetic. Yeah. In a way, you're kind of forced to try and understand just how much of the director playing this character he thinks is like, oh, this is a cool character or like, what am I supposed to feel about this sort of thing? when a director puts him in that kind of role it you know it's inevitable the kind of

I guess try to psychoanalyze in a way but exactly trying to find those similarities he's got a apparently I don't know everybody seems to think he's like an asshole in real life um he's quite controversial for some reason but I was I was trying I was searching his name and like his wiki has nothing there's no articles really about it he's just I guess known as being a bit of a sassy one, I don't know. He basically trashed a shit ton of the people that worked on the movie after they wrapped shooting. Apparently, like, him and Christina Richie did not get along well at all, and then after

the movie was out, he, like, called her fat and, like, broke off relationships with her. And, like, who played the mom again? I forget her name. she was in I heard Huckabee's I think what's her name anyway yeah like they had a big feud and he like blamed her for the film not getting to Cannes for some reason

and like you know he seems like a pretty toxic person to work with in general is the impression that I get and then there's his like weird ass website where he's he's like selling his semen online and like $50,000 it says like,

Wish Dreamer Fantasy with Vincent Gallo Ladies only He's selling like a date or whatever Yeah, a million dollars for his sperm Yeah It makes me wonder if I'm giving him too much credit Well yeah here's the thing that When I see shit like that

On his IMDB description for his You know his page Obviously written by a fan of his Half of it is just them saying like How misunderstood he is and they're basically saying that like this website of him doing this whole like oh look at

my sperm ladies only $50,000 for a date or whatever apparently that's like a commentary on like celebrity and all that who knows but like yeah like none of us know the guy

but I don't know when there's when there's so much out of like just how I guess toxic he is when he's working with people it gives me I don't know little bit less credit of him in my mind if he's gonna be an asshole to everyone. Yeah, where'd you draw the way? Parity artists, like, I don't know. Yeah.

Because when you have something like that up on your website, $50,000 for that or like a million dollars for the sperm, like, yeah, you could say it's satire, but do you really think you'd turn it down if somebody had a serious offer? Like, if you're actually doing it, then at what point does it stop becoming satire? Yeah, but as far as the movie itself, there was nothing in it. me that felt like a delusional like director who wasn't self-aware about what he was making it was a very competent movie that had a voice for sure yeah had a voice

and like he knew the character was a bad character and he was making fun of it and analyzing why people are like that you know yeah when you have parents that that are beating you down that much you have to build yourself up to that extent

to where you become like this egotistical like just asshole like him. Yeah, I wonder exactly how much of it was based on his own life in that sense because apparently the house it was filmed in with the parent characters is the same house that he grew up in. Yeah? Yeah.

I think regardless, it has that feel, with that low-budget feel gives it that, and I like it. It feels very genuine. Yeah, I agree. At the beginning of the movie, it's like this piss conflict, which I found pretty hilarious where it's just like I gotta find a place to pee

The movie's full of good little hooks You go to the Denny's down the street I was thinking like what if this is the whole movie And this is like the entire conflict the rest of the film It's like after hours Except he's trying to find a bathroom There's no path to anywhere I thought

Yeah His motivations were very clear Throughout the entire movie And there's always like a buildup to some kind of event Whether it be him needing to pee or going to his parents where he hasn't been for five years or getting revenge on this person who he hates. It does keep you interested,

despite, you know, some slower scenes. Like, I do agree, I think the family dinner scene is probably the slower, kind of lower point of the movie. There were a couple of things I did notice with the performances, I think, around that dinner table that weren't convincing me all. the time. It's a hard thing to act as an incredibly awkward scenario to try and sell in a convincing way, especially for such a small project with everything that's going on.

Yeah. And when it's that early into the movie, it's not as apparent just how necessary it is to show that scene. Who knows, on a second watch, I might feel very differently about it. On a first watch it feels like it kind of dragged on for too long because there's no context to anything that's happening once we get to that scene and there's still this like lingering thought of like okay why the hell is christina ritchie going along with this and like what is the point sort of thing it gets clear as it goes along i guess yeah i like the way it developed his character fairly quickly through like how just irreverent his mother is to him and is way more obsessed over football as the like title was referring to the one football game uh his mom missed and it was to give birth to him

and she's never forgiven him because the the buffalo has won that game yeah the buffalo bills yeah the one time they won the super bowl or something yeah it's it's a it's a bit like silly and exaggerated but it does there are people that are like that like maybe not to like quite the extreme but there are there are dynamics like that in families you know like it does happen and there is something quite relatable about that character after a while, and once you figure out what makes him tick, because you really do, especially like when he's obsessed with bowling, because that's the one thing he was always good at.

So to him, that's really important. He has his special locker who's got a special relationship with the guy who works at the bowling alley. And when he opens his locker, he's got like the picture of the girl he had a crush on. Like, there's a lot of cool stuff like that in the movie that really reveals a lot about him as a person. and that was an example of that kind of set up payoff storytelling that he does a lot in the movie where you see the girl in the locker and she's a fairly important character to his journey

later on in the movie when they're in the diner and she's like really horrible to him and she's just not a nice person and yeah you really do kind of understand what makes the character tick and I think that's the real strength of the movie and what he has to overcome yeah and just how like someone's obsession can wind up making them go along a really negative path and ruining their life. You know, if they don't just let things go and

move on and, you know, see what they have, like this entire time. This Christina Ritchie's character is like, I love you. Like, you know, she thinks he's the most attractive person ever. Who knows how serious she's being. But, you know, she obviously cares about him and doesn't want to see him in this terrible place.

And for most of the film, vast majority of the film he's like he's so focused with blinders on like this revenge sort of aspect of like okay here's everything I hate about my life and this is the goal of like you know needing to fix this in this way or needing to get some sort of like closure to this even if it means ending my own life and destroying this opportunity that I have to rebuild and and move forward again which is something that is I think a pretty important thing to communicate in a film because a lot of people do wind up hurting themselves over past traumas and, you know, past experiences that, you know, they feel like they've gotten a really bad experience in life and sometimes you just need to move on and work with what you have and let all that shit go. Yeah, I guess that's why, because I already mentioned the first jump in, like, earned logic with the Christina Ritchie just going along with it.

But his main motivation for changing is her as a person, because she, like, falls in love with him. And, like, the day they meet, basically. So for the ending to work and be earned, you have to buy that that person means enough to him and has changed him. and has changed him and in such a way where he's he changes his entire life and turns around as a result

he doesn't do the thing he was like determined to do based on his however old however many years he's been on the earth yeah so it's like oh yeah there is there is a certain sense to him just killing the the football guy

and killing himself but then it's revealed to be like a dream sequence and he's changed his mind then he goes back to the hotel and has a lovely life or whatever yeah who knows There's just something. There's something about it to me.

It doesn't feel quite right. It doesn't feel that. It doesn't feel like in depth enough to me. It doesn't, I don't know. You don't feel as though like Christina Ritchie's character meant enough to him at the point in time for him to make that decision? Because, yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, because he's, like, so determined, and he's lived this horrible life this whole time.

And I guess the idea is supposed to be it's someone showing him warmth for the first time. so like and he's never really experienced that before because it because yeah because it's explained like the one girl he's ever cared about and he's never been with any like woman before or anything like that because of that locker girl and all that stuff yeah how do you guys justify it i think what really sells it to me is the whole hotel scene earlier where she is kind of like getting close to him and and and breaking down his barriers like he's got these mental and physical blocks that he's placed around himself, he's built this entire shell around himself as a character. And slowly she's able to get through to him, even if he's verbally protesting. And in a way,

you could say it's like kind of rapy or whatever. Like she's a Harvey Weinstein trying to get into the bath with him. You can interpret it that way if you really want. But like she is trying to help in a way. And she, I think she understands that like his refusal for any sort of, sort of like connection or intimacy is more or less a self-defense mechanism out of his past traumas. And she recognizes and understands that. And so it's it's kind of necessary, like that whole hotel scene where his barriers are being broken down bit by bit. And, you know, we get the cut where she's like in the bath later. It's like, okay, obviously she was successful and convinced him, even though he protested. And the fact that like, you know, she doesn't have any sort of like physical

power over him or anything. And this guy, obviously, he's a violent asshole in many parts of the film. So, like, there's no reasonable way that he wouldn't be able to prevent this from happening if he really didn't want any of it to happen. So when you see her that she did, you know, get into the bathtub with him, that they did kind of have these intimate moments, you understand that, like, as much as he did protest initially out of this self-defense mechanism

it is something that you know deep down inside of him he does really want he's just scared and he's built his entire life up around this idea that he shouldn't have that and that you know everything sucks and that you know he deserves to be miserable or whatever and he needs to get

revenge and none of this matter is like I don't want to have this relationship with this person because it's all going to go away because I'm going to kill myself sort of thing and so that to me justifies it is that entire hotel scene. Like, that makes the ending believable for me. It's just the fact that it all happens in one day.

I think it's something about how brief it all is. It comes together very quickly, and it's a very, like, movie thing to happen, you know? He's a girl of his dreams on a crazy night type thing. I think it's enough to make him not want to shoot up that club or that place. Like, I think he has enough hope from her at that point. He has a moment of reevaluation, and it's only at the point where he actually gets there

and he has the gun and he's about to kill the guy that he has that sort of like epiphany where he's like, okay, shit. This is literally what I'm destined for is literally just like, I'm dead and that's it. Or I can go back to this girl that loves me and sometimes it takes, you know, something that extreme for him to be in that situation

for him to finally understand and be like, you know what? I thought I wanted this, but I'd rather have this other thing. And then it's like a complete one. Then the last scene when he gets the hot chocolate, but he's like a different character. Yeah. He's like very happy and excited to be around people. Yeah.

And he's like, oh, you guys get a free cookie because you're in love. The heart cookie. Give it to your girlfriend. I love that scene. Like, it's like a different character. Yeah. And then the movie ends on that. Like, yeah, I think it was just that like niggling thing in the back of my mind of the,

just the, the Christina Ritchie character, like just being so down with everything. It was weird. It's a weird thing It took me a while It's kind of underwritten Yeah I don't know I don't really know

How I could suggest To improve it really But that was just That was the one glaring thing to me Whereas I liked most of the Stylistic choices myself It never really pulled me out too much I was kind of with it

And I enjoyed the journey of the character But that was like the one thing to me That's just such a movie thing to happen Especially with how like It is like a really Really positive end compared to the sadness, that almost like happiness,

the film we talked about and sort of on it goes before, levels of like misery in like that family life type stuff. Yeah. Maybe I'd like it more than a rewatch, I don't know, but that was my main thing

in the back of my mind for a long of film. Yeah, I definitely got the movie, you know, after the first 20 minutes. As soon as Ricky Moore, Mickey Rourke showed up and the rest of the movie happened, I was like completely, on board and I felt like I

you know not only like understood what it was going for but like connected with it on a personal level also as the film went on there were the frequency of like oneers like long takes went up as it

went along like the the diner scene with the his old I guess infatuation love interest whatever there's the photo booth scene which I thought was amazing it's like one of the parts of the movie yeah a lot of scenes in the hotel are also like very long takes and it gets it feels like the movie really finds itself as it goes along yeah yeah that photo scene was awesome

yeah that was probably the real moment it won me over was that scene so it's like there's a really convincing dynamic going on and the just the presentation of it was really interesting and what they were saying and how it just anal and weird he is with his like mannerisms and how they had to keep like retrying to get the pictures he was after it was a cute scene yeah meanwhile he doesn't even look like he's having fun in it like he looks like he's about to cry the entire time meanwhile he's so focused on like what she's doing like you know you can't touch me we're a couple that loves each other but they don't touch like you can tell especially with the hotel scene after that like that's just an emotional barrier that he's placed around himself I there's

I think there's a lot of depth to this movie I really enjoyed it yeah I'm even thinking about just that his costume design where he's wearing like the black like clothing up until his bright red shoes which really stands out because it's quite a drab looking movie it's it's muted um like soft but the like his bright red shoes are always always draw your eyes it might be something to do with his bowling like addiction but you know you wear those bright red shoes when you go bowling it might be that obsessed you got more to add ralph no enough for this one That's about it Yeah

I like it Yeah I guess we didn't really talk Too thoroughly about the We kind of just barely mentioned it The The presentation of the The shooting scene at the end It was pretty crazy

Yeah the freeze frame Pretty inventive I think It was really inventive Really well done I've seen a lot of films Attempt that same thing Even like higher budget films

Not the exact same thing But like characters are frozen, they're basically just, you know, not moving. And the implication is that it's frozen in time. And depending on how you pull it off will influence how well the effect works. And for like a really, like an indie movie where it seems pretty experimental at the same time. No CGI? Like it was all practical. Yeah. It looked great.

That was really, really cool. And like, I didn't notice any points where, you know, like the actor's eyelids didn't like Twitch or anything. Like, it was really convincing. Like, you knew how the effect was done. So, like, it was really hard to notice, like, minor movement from the actors. Yeah. It's great the way they executed it. There's, like, the blood. But I guess it was, like, some kind of mold that they just...

I think it was, like, a plastic... Something like that. Yeah, like a plastic, transparent red thing. Yeah. But it looks great. Like, the way he really thought it out, it looks fucking great. Just the emotion of that scene, too. Like, the way he...

When he shoots himself... the way his face is and like just like like, looks like he's having a stroke or whatever. And the fact that he's able to hold that position in his face successfully for the shot to work also, it's just crazy. Very, very creative and really cool. Yeah, he's the reason the film works. Yeah, he carries the whole thing, I think.

Yeah. Best performance, best character. Like, it's all around him. Yeah. Anything else you guys want to add about this movie? Do you know anything about the I don't really know much about like negative stock or something that the film was shot

I read about that too I'm not super familiar with it apparently he decided to film on that and it was like much more expensive and he didn't even know if he could do it in the proper like format yeah and the cinematographer like fell out with him and got fired or something yeah there's lots of drama behind it he's clearly like one of those alter like yeah I do what I want type of like creators Yeah.

Very anal about the movies he makes. It's like the character. Yeah. But I guess if you're going to make something that, you know, is so obviously personal and inspired, there has to be some sort of sense of, like, needing things to be a certain way, which obviously doesn't excuse him trashing all the actors that he worked with after. But still. They didn't do a good enough job.

She's fat His other film The Brown Bunny It's not the only other film he's made But it's the only other one That anybody talks about I guess Yeah it's a big one It's very controversial

Yeah It's the one that's got like real Acts of Sex in it isn't Yeah Unsimulated blowjub from Chloe Savigny or whatever Yeah hashtag horror herself Yeah Hashtag Horror

That's funny Your favorite film right Yeah That movie is a fucking blow job because he makes sense apparently he got into a spat with Roger Ebert about the movie

oh Vincent Gallo did yeah because it got screened at Cannes and Roger Ebert said that it was the worst film in the history of Cannes Film Festival and then I guess so this spat was literally just them talking to media and the media

relaying what they were saying and so then Vincent Gallo responded saying that he is like fat or something and then Roger Ebert was like he just calls everyone he doesn't like fat apparently yeah it seems to be like a common thing with him yeah you're just

fat you don't understand my movie so he just is the character from the movie I guess so Roger Ebert's response to that was I may be fat but one day I'll be skinny but you will forever be the director of the brown bunny and then apparently it got recut 20 minutes of the movie got cut out after the can version and then at Toronto

Film Festival Roger Ebert's side again, like this hour and a half instead of two hours long version, and he gave it a thumbs up and they made up. Oh, okay, cool. Still haven't seen it. The ending, just like Buffalo. Yeah, very happy ending. Very interesting guy. I'd love to see some interviews with this person.

I'd love to delve more into his character and his films. I'm a bit scared of him, though. Oh, yeah. He's a scary guy. In the movie he's scary, yeah I think that's why she went with him too Because he's just such an intimidating Like god

Yeah, that's what she was like She's so fragile and like She's just there for a dance lesson And this fucking guy's just like You're coming with me Fucking come with me She's terrified I got it

Yeah I love that Despite not really liking the first 20 minutes at all Honestly It won me over pretty well. It won me over way more than I was expecting. And by the end of it,

you know, first initial watch, my rating is eight out of ten. I'm just a smidge underneath. I'd give it three and a half stars. I did really enjoy it. I'd definitely recommend watching it, especially considering it standing of being like a, just like a small budget,

little production filmed. in like his own house or his childhood home and all that kind of stuff. It is really interesting, especially with how creative he is at certain points. But there are little things here and there that we talked about. So, yeah, three and stuff. I'm between like a three and a four.

It's very like graduate-esque or Hald and Maud-esque. But what brought me into it was the way it was executed, like the low-budget way, very genuine and like personal. Oh, I don't know. I'll give it a three because I think he's an asshole. in real life. I mean,

there's tons of director of an asshole. I might see it again. Yeah, there's plenty of directors who are asses. I might see it again and give it higher,

but three out of five for now. Okay. Dang. Yeah, like Rosemary's baby's a great movie, but. Yeah, fuck.

There's a couple little things wrong that's beyond an asshole. Yeah. Fucking piece of shit. A couple minor controversies. Minor. Get it? Minor, yeah,

I was going to say. All right. Question time, I guess. Let's do it. Let's go into questions then. If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer on the next episode, head over to the Sardonicast Reddit, where there will be a thread,

and you can ask us whatever you feel like. Let's start off with this one from Citizen Hal, who asks simply, what movies are you looking forward to in 2020? Let's spin it back round after that subject from earlier just going on about all the shit that's coming out and talk about some stuff we're actually excited for.

I'll pull up the list again. I think Charlie Kaufman's new thing. I'm thinking of ending things. It's probably going to be 2020. I can double check that. You said Dune. Yeah, I'm excited to see what that movie's like. Yeah.

Charlie Kaufman's other thing where he wrote a tiny bit of it and then it got rewritten by a bunch of other writers and it looks like shit. Chaos walking. I'm actually excited for it because it's going to be a disaster. It's got Daisy Ridley and Tom Tom Holland

and apparently it was so bad that they actually delayed the release like the studio was like we don't know what the fuck

we're gonna do with this so yeah that was like a writer for hire thing by Charlie Kaufman and I think I've read this before but I'm just gonna read it again

just the little description on IMDB a dystopian world where there are no women and all living creatures can hear each other's thoughts in a stream of images words and sounds called noise

that sounds hilarious it sounds like a real after Earth situation. Woo! Well, I'm looking forward to most. Venom 2. No. So Andy Circus...

Yeah, is going to direct the film. Oh, yeah, what? Is that actually doing... Venom 2 directed by Andy Circus. I think so. It says here. It's just... It's 2020.

It might be alright. Like later next year. Who directed the first one? Who directed Venom 1? Um, I don't know. Tom Hardy. Um... Oh.

I just can't wait for Venom 2 because it's Phantom 2 Okay, that'll be a good episode A new EgerWrite movie coming out Probably Yeah, last night in Soho is coming out next year Okay, that'll be good Drama horror thriller

Yeah We got a new Andrew Dominic film coming out Called blonde Which is going to be a fictionalized Chronicle of Marilyn Monroe You know Andrew Dominic?

What did he direct? He did Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford and he also did What's that Brad Pitt one called? Killing them softly Yes

Oh, okay Yeah, I love that movie Okay, cool So yeah, I'll see that There's a new Antonio Campos movie coming out Tom and Jerry the movie It'll be live action I'm just looking at

I'm just refining my IMDB watch list by the year So anything I'm excited for is literally just What, director base? What do you think of the new James Bond, Ralph? That looks kind of eh. Looks like they're trying to start a franchise with some other woman to be James Bond.

It looks like they worked that into the movie too, like it's doing too much. They also have Christoph Waltz's back, I think. Oh, from what was it called? Spector. Which was bad. Yeah. And Daniel Craig really doesn't seem into it.

Um, Skyfall. Yeah. Which is now, it's, I feel like it's almost 10 years old, is it? I feel like maybe 2012 for, yeah, so not 10 years ago, but I feel like it's been a while. Yeah, it's hard to get excited. Yeah. We got a new David Rutner coming out, horror director. How about the new Bill and Ted movie?

Bill and Ted face the music. Yeah. Keanu Reeves. What's the track record like of these, like, 90s, 80s movies being remade? in the modern day, modern age. Not good. Baywatch, 22 Jump Street.

It's a sequel. It's not a remake. Doesn't matter though. Yeah, it doesn't. Zoolander 2. Dumb and Dumber 2. They're all soft reboots. So it doesn't...

Yeah. What about this Ghostbusters movie? Any hope there? That looks so bad. Yeah. I think it looks so bad. I don't know. I don't know.

That's like too much energy to even assign to it. Like it's just like... Yeah. Well, no it is, I just hate fucking watching bland garbage like that. The marketing seems weird. It's like, okay, so people don't want a stupid comedy, like the Ghostbusters 2016. So let's just make like something that's nothing. Like it just feels like nothing.

Like a bland 80s kind of stranger things themed. It's someone inspired. Yeah, I skipped through the trailer. I probably watched a total of like five seconds of it. It's so forgettable. I'm not like a ghostbusters person in the first place. It's like that bumblebee movie. They like rebooted the franchise by making it bland.

Yeah. God, it was boring. We're gonna get a black widow movie. It's better than the Michael Bay one. Oh yeah, Black Widow. Even though she... Spoiler, she's dead in universe. Such a strange decision to do that.

Now she gets a movie. She's been around fucking like 15 years. Yeah. They're playing catch up to Wonder Woman because they're like, oh shit. We haven't done a woman-led Superroom movie yet. They did Captain Marvel though. Oh yeah, you're right. I forgot about that movie as well.

It's really forgettable, isn't it? You gotta forget that it exists. Captain Marvel. That was their catch up. Yeah, that was another one. I tried watching that on Disney Plus. I got 10 minutes in. I realized like I didn't care about what was going on.

I shut it off. Sounds about right. I'm so boring. So I guess that's the plus side of Disney Plus is that there's so much bullshit. that you can just, you don't have to be trapped in a theater for it. You can just turn it off and be like, okay, I know what this is. Minions Rise of Gru? Oh, God.

Rise of Gru. It's fucking awful. It's a fucking Nolan movie. I don't even know what Minions, Dispicable Me Movie were on now. How many are there? Three. It's a trilogy. And then there's a Minions movie.

Is there a second Minions movie? This is the second Minions. This is the second movie. It's called Minions. The Rise of. of grew. Not minions too. No. Numbers aren't trendy anymore. They don't want you to know

how many there are so they could just keep it going forever. We'll get minions, revolutions. Millions, revelations. Minions reloaded. You joke, but it will happen. We'll get it. They'll remake the Matrix with minions. That's what we'll get.

Cross over. Yeah, I don't know. Just, you know, look at directors you like and see if they're... One day, we'll get a movie with everything in it. One day we'll get a movie with every brand. Yeah, because like Disney will buy everything. Kind of, that's kind of it. It's the closest you come.

We need like a Lego Star Wars Batman. Like fucking crazy. Ghostbusters movie. Kind of, yeah. Kind of, yeah. So even your like ridiculous concepts, like, they're already like movies. Yeah, it's been done ten times. already yeah that's already played out people don't want to see like a

movie anymore they're making a was that a play mobile movie or what the fuck is it it's like that already yeah exactly that came out holy shit on my computer somewhere that's unbelievable I didn't know man who gives a fuck about playmobile give me a break I love that they had to make a movie too I mean why not The Lego one was successful, so... Creatively bankrupt. Just copy everything Lego does. Yeah. What, like, random property do we have?

Oh, the Playmobile? Let's do it. Next question? Let's do this one from John Slimy, who asks, What's your favorite criterion collection cover or covers? One that sticks out right away, top of my first thing I think of is a houseu. I love it. Yeah, that's a cool one.

That's what got me to see the movie. I saw the cover of that movie and I was like, okay, I have to see it. They come with little books too. I think the best one I own is to do the right thing one. That and the breathless one. I think those are the most well-made, beautiful ones. I always found the Salo one really striking. Yeah, I like that one too.

That's when I must have, when I just like discovered it on IMDB, like, years ago. That's what made me add it to my watch list was just like that, that poster that they have on the cover. Yeah, when you can take a frame from the film and it says everything about what it's going to be. Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, well, that's a good poster.

Especially because that frame is out of focus in the film. And like, for the poster, it works amazing. Because you're like, it's very eerie. Like, oh, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. So that worked really well. Yeah, eyes without the face has a distinct one. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I looked at my I love that one Blu-ray's in there's a lot of good covers but I'm more or less just be listing just which are my favorite movies after a certain point like the funny games one is really good

you know the hunger one's really good it was kind of there's some disappointing ones like the piano teacher I was kind of hoping that they'd do like a special cover for it but they kind of just use the existing poster yeah not really much to say yeah Yeah, that one.

Let's just do another question then, eh? T-H-M-O protection agency has one for us. Has there ever been a movie that has made you feel dumb, but isn't something pretentious? How do you deal with watching those kind of movies where you don't feel so dumb about the movie, where you... Sorry, they've written it a little bit strange.

They've written it like a dumb person. How do you deal with watching those kinds of movies where you don't feel so dumb about the movie, it's themes, etc., and get a better grasp of the movie? the movie. Wow. The question being, has there ever been a movie that makes you feel a bit dumb? You like it, you get what it's going for, but you feel like not getting... If it's about, like, subject matter, I don't, I'm not an expert in. Like money ball or something. It's about

baseball and drafting. I have no fucking idea about any of that. You know, so it's confusing. But I still enjoy the movie. If it's a good movie, you look past that stuff. Yeah. I remember for me one, It's a film I actually really, really like that being eyes wide shut the first time I watched it. I enjoyed the ride, but there was definitely, like, in the back of my mind, like, I'm missing something. There's something like, I need to read about this movie, like, after it was one of those for me where I had to, like, explore about it. So, there are movies like that where you just don't pick up everything after a first watch. Like, there are some movies you just have to see a couple times to even, like, get. Yeah, that's what I would say is, like, if you.

you feel like you haven't gotten everything, then watch it again. Maybe, maybe, like, do some reading, see if other people have made their interpretations of the film and, you know, Shane Carruth movies are, you know, they don't hold your hand at all. So primer and upstream color, both very different in terms of, like, the types of complexities there are in its presentation, but both of them are very, like, you know, it is expecting a lot for, from you as a viewer to be able to like get the full picture of everything that's happening. But I love very difficult to follow. I would rather have a movie that doesn't hold your hand and is still like an enjoyable

watch with great qualities to it in its presentation. I would rather have something like that than a film that over explains. I would rather feel dumb because the movie's too smart than feel like the movie thinks I'm dumb that it needs to hold my hand for certain things. I hate being pandered too When I'm watching a movie I shouldn't feel like I'm a stupid person Yeah

That's how I feel when watching those Disney movies Yeah I mean I guess they're for kids But even they're adult Like they're Star Wars movies Movies made for my demo Like how many times do you see like An unnecessary flashback

It's like it was so clearly defined And developed Like it's obvious what this is This is supposed to be Yeah Joker is one of them It's like it's so obvious What's happening here But you're treating me

And that's a rated R movie. That's for adults. And it's like, what kind of fucking adult wouldn't pick up on the fact that that's not real? Spoiler, bit. It's pretty vague. That that's not real. Yeah, I won't see Joe Cabona. What's in the box?

Yeah. Yeah, I would much rather have a complex movie that I can understand more and more with each viewing than one that just treats me like I'm an idiot. Or that, you know, makes itself worse. to pander towards stupid people. Another question? This is a good one. This is their Reddit name. So Alex can't complain.

I think I only screenshot this one just for that name. So Alex can't complain. What are some of your favorite director's idiosyncrasies, for example, Gaspin O.A's crazy camera work or Wes Anderson's production design? On the other hand, what are some that annoy you, Greengrass's shaky cam and Snyder's slow-mo shots, for example? Kubrick Zooms The Kubrick stare

That's like an actor Sometimes there's both A Kubrick Zoom and a Kubrick stare There's a lot of that in a clockwork Usually any director I love It's because there is a lot of personality In the way that they present their films My favorite director, Michelle Hanukkah

It's very meticulous It's very like purposeful It's very clean there's not a lot of like movement in the camera it's it's a lot of it is stationary and it feels like okay this is the shot i wanted it's not like incidental that this is the framing of the shot the characters and the actors in the shot you know you get like a gigantic room of like 50 people and you can tell that every single one of those extras was taken aside and given specific things to do to be behaving in a realistic way like i love i love that

about his movies and you know every director has like a really interesting style or every good director i think yeah because mine on a similar level i i can't get enough of the way uh david finch um you shows off his like talent in his movies like they're so detached and really because he's really obsessed with this like methodical he likes the darkness in humanity he likes murder mysteries he likes you know really hardcore stuff like that and that that that That way, that choice to present the camera in that, like, completely detached, like, ethereal, like, the camera just floats around. Like, it's not even... Yeah, I think it's really.

It only moves when the characters are moving, really? Yeah. Yeah, I can't get enough of that. I can mind-hunting. The way he uses close-ups, too, I'd say that's, like, very unique to him. Mm-hmm. His style is also very clean. Yeah.

Yeah. Very clean, very precise, meticulous. Yeah, I love it. He's great. And then... You know, on the other end, there's, like, Safty Brothers. The Tarantino. The Tarantino trunk shot is one I don't like.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, really. What about the feet shots? I guess those are, like, once they get old. The feet shots get kind of old. The ones that are more specific like that with, like, the trunk. Like, okay, how much can you do with a trunk and a car? It's like, whatever.

I agree with the foot stuff, I guess. So my nose is up to work. Yeah. I don't know what that is. It's porn for him. It's a sexual... I don't know. Is it really?

It's porn for him. Like, who the fuck gets off to fucking... What do you mean? That's a thing. He's getting these... I don't do it. I don't know. I guess I'm not surprised.

It's just like... If you can name it, somebody's got a fetish for it. If it exists, somebody's attracted to it. Scenes in where women have no shoes on. Yeah. It's so weird. He's a fucking perth. It's so weird.

There's tons of directors who are like, purves, I guess, but like his thing is feet. That's his thing. Very clearly. It's just so weird to see someone embrace it like in this day and age. He still does that feet shit. He like hammered down on it in once upon a time in Hollywood. Don't king shame. Feet.

Right in the front. Right in your face. It is really funny. Yeah. But those are like distracting. Tarantino has a lot of distracting one. Well, at this point he's like sort of trying to fulfill the the expectations of making

a Tarantino movie so he's like well what makes up a Tarantino movie it's like all these little quips so they have to be in the new ones are good which ones are bad I noticed a really specific one recently considering

Guy Richie because I watched Snatch and really enjoyed it and then I watched that new fucking Aladdin movie made and he does these like stylistic things that work and snatch because like it's real like they're real people and like a real set and like but he tries to replicate it in aladdin sometimes and it god it looks bad like it really doesn't work great example of like a that transition to that huge like machine type filmmaking just like not working with like that kind of stylistic like idea yeah i'm trying to think of uh

directors whose styles i really don't like i mean we were just talking about six underground So Michael Bay might be up there. Yeah. He definitely has a style. He just like he just takes shitty action scripts and makes them just nonsense. Like he's just, he likes indulging in car chases and explosions, like the action parts. And then the rest of it is like just, it's in service of that. So it's really boring.

Yeah. But what's like his trademark? He just shoots everything like a commercial, right? Like he has no style. It's just fucking not. It's just everything. Every different lens and angle you could possibly have in a scene, he just uses it all. Just watch Six Underground.

Like watch the way he shoots like a conversation scene. There's like eight different angles of a close-up of Ryan Reynolds, like as he's talking. For no reason. Gotta use them all. Yeah, we got to use everything. It was like a meme for ages, but the way JJ Abrams would abuse lens flares, like, it was a problem after a while. That was a bad one. Yeah, that did get a bit much, especially in that Star Trek movie and Super 8, I'm pretty sure I had some, like, ridiculous ones.

That's one good thing Disney did. They said, cut that shit out with Star Wars. They're like, you're not doing that with Star Wars. You do it a little bit. It's because, like, he's so similar to, like, copying Stephen Spielberg. He's like, what's going to make me stand out? Yeah, lens fliers. Let's do that.

But even Spielberg has, like, the glowy kind of cinematography. JJ's a hack Yeah Nah I mean I don't know Jar Jar Abrams It's debatable We'll see how this new movie comes out

Yeah he's got his like Corner covered He's got his thing that he does And he makes money doing it Yeah Yeah it's probably more annoying ones That I'm not thinking of

Yeah you got we covered some good ones Yeah Want to do One last question let's do one more one that ain't even about movies like throwing these in now and again bretarson has this to say what is something that you have seen in real life or online

that has made you lose all faith in humanity everything should not have like a specific like memory of something because like I remember when you're like really edgy and you're like 13 14 and you're first like let's go on like some edgy website and watch someone getting like beheaded or whatever that kind of stuff it opens you up to like a new world yeah what what makes me lose faith in humanity is the

never-ending like tribalism that we see like this like it's like it's one thing to have an opinion that's different from someone else's but when when you refuse to even attempt to understand someone else's perspective like that's what really makes me lose faith in humanity is like, okay, no one's even trying to understand. No one's even trying to like figure out why someone else believes what they believe. And if you want to change someone else's opinion about something, that's the first thing you should be doing is trying to understand why they believe something, right? And, and, and you know, like, you'd have better arguments against them if you were faithfully attacking their arguments in a way that made sense to them.

You just listened. But no one's willing to do that. Everybody's really fucking tribalistic and virtue signaling and just like oh hey the mob's with me so i don't have to support my argument sort of thing and then you know it's just everything is so fucking unnecessarily divisive and people are just fucking awful and stupid so that's just in general there's not like a specific moment for me it's funny how that carries over even when like it's in a digital realm you know like we're not even physically embodying it's heightened It's just... Yeah.

There's no... Yeah, there's no... There's no filter at all. So you really get to see the way people behave when... Almost on their, like, subconscious level. Like, how they instinctively want to communicate before, like... When you're, like, forced to communicate with someone in person, you change things. You don't use the same vocabulary.

You adapt to that person. Like, I'm sure if you take any of these people out of these goddamn mobs online or whatever, talk to them one-on-one. It would be pretty civil most of the time. For the most part, yeah. Very few people are that hysterical in real life. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a matter of like what people think they can get away with in terms of how much power they have over another human being. You know, it's like if you have this opportunity where even if you're in the right, like how do you respond to that? Are you literally going to, take this opportunity

to be like, okay, well, you messed up, well, I'm going to make you remember it for the rest of your life sort of thing. Who benefits from this at all? People are just so vitriolic and just fucking awful to each other. Just nobody understands empathy

and it's just like, okay, well, this is the planet, I guess. I'm here for the ride, but it's not fun. Fuck. Happy ending into this episode. Yeah, I would same mine, my loss in faith in humanity was when I saw the nostalgia critic video of the wall.

That's funny. That's the wall. Yeah. That's a great answer. That is a great answer. So mine's pretty recent. Oh, you recently lost faith in humanity. Yeah, I guess so.

2019. When that video came out. The date that video came out is the day I lost faith in humanity. Oh, Rip. Can we get some Fs in the chat? That's brilliant. All right, what now? I guess we got a recommendation for the next episode.

Okay, is it my turn? I believe so. Okay, I got a classic. I think we've all seen it, maybe, but I don't know. It's by a author Joe Pytka. It's a movie from 1996 called Space Jam. Really? Oh, hell yeah.

Okay. I'm really excited to talk about Space Jam. Sure. For serious. I haven't seen this film since I was a kid. I was obsessed with Space Jam when I was against it. We'll see. We'll see how it holds up.

Okay. Fucking great. Yeah, this is good. I got the Blu-ray. Oh, you do? Cool. I got to cut it. You go to Space Jam and Blu-ray.

Okay. Yeah, I'll save my comments, I guess, for the episode. Hilarious, thank you. Okay. Okay, if you don't want to be spoiled for space jam, then watch that before the next episode. I believe I can fly. There's a lot to say about the movie for sure, so.

All right, thank you, Ralph. I appreciate it. Sure. It'll be a fun discussion. Thank you. We needed another meme one in there. Yeah, it's been a while. It's been a while.

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The Monstars. Yeah, we need like a sports team. It's all flooding back to me now. It never left. I got this shit. I think I must have repressed it or something, man. I remember the old scene and like Bill Murray, I think,'s in it, right? Yep, yeah, he's in it.

There's something going on in that. All right, thank you so much for listening. Episode 50. We did it. Yeah. 50 episodes. Wait, this was 50. Yeah.

Yeah, that's funny as hell. We didn't even notice. Yeah. Alex is dying. We talked about. Yeah. Sorry, everyone. How far we've come.

Hope you feel better. Thank you, everybody. Here's to 50 more. Forever. Cheers. Bye. Forever and ever. Bye.