Sardonicast - Sardonicast #53: Uncut Gems, Wizards

Episode Date: February 9, 2020

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Three, two, one. Yo, listen up, here's the story about three little guys that lived in a sardonic world, and all day and all night and everything they saw was just sardonic. Like them inside and outside, I don't want to get copyright claimed. Hey, everybody. Wow, the nostalgia. Did you see someone compiled all the openings from the, like, all the episodes we've done so far? I was thinking we should have done.

the same thing and uploaded it on the channel and monetized it. Nah. You let fans do something like that. Fine. Anyway, I'm Adam from your movie sucks. This is SardanaCast. I'm Ralph the Movie Maker from YouTube.com. I'm Ralph the Movie Maker.

And I'm Alex Maiti and yeah, that was a nostalgic opening for me. That was actually the first, like, album. It wasn't an album. It was like a single that I ever owned a physical copy of. It was that very song. Oh, that's great. I can't even remember what it. What's it cool blue?

Blue dapper dee. Yeah, I think it's... Everyone just calls it blue dabberdi. I think that might be the title. It's by Eiffel 65. Oh, really? Yeah. That's right, yeah.

There's actually, like, a documentary about how the song was made on YouTube that's pretty interesting. Really? Yeah. That's awesome. I think a lot of my music listening is just nostalgic 90s shit. Late 90s, early 2000s. Like, fucking blasting Aqua.

in the car, you know. I love that shit. Lots of personality to it, that's for sure. Yeah. I feel like a boomer where they just listen to their classic 70s rock, except I'm listening to a bunch of 90s pop. Anyway, Ralph and I were at Sundance for a bit. Yeah.

Yeah, let me, tell me about it. Well, we snowboarded. Well, I snowboarded. It was most notable part. You fell. I fell a lot, but we snowboarded. I snowboarded plenty, considering it was my first time. It was pretty good for your first time snowboarding.

Yeah, and we did like the harder slopes too. Yeah, but. Well, not the harder ones. Yeah, we did. We did one harder one. We did one that wasn't like a green blue squares. Yeah, we did one of those. That was rough.

Snowboarding is frightening as it looks. Yeah, it's pretty scary. But once you get the hang of it. Because I've never, I've never gone. Yeah, the balance, getting the balance is hard. But yeah. I got the hang of it. It was fine.

I was trying to teach Ralph and Peach Saliva, who's a Twitch streamer and a good friend of mine. I was trying to teach them both how to snowboard at the same time. And I'm not a professional instructor. And they had never touched a snowboard or skis before in their lives. So it was pretty ambitious. There's no way I could hear you either. I'm sorry. I had a helmet on and a hat and like earmuffs and like, you know, and like Adam's talking through a mask

because he has like a face mask on because it's so cold. Yeah I think you guys did pretty good all things considered Yeah it was fun Yeah I probably should have started you guys on skis I think that would have been easier Are skis easier? I think I was going through My own perspective and I have

More confidence in my snowboard than I do in skis And I've done both and I started out on skis and moved to snowboard But I think if you've never touched either before I think skis would probably be Easier to start out on I think it would be easier to like balance yourself on because you guys were having trouble just like getting up and staying up.

Yeah, I had some trouble getting up. But we went down the whole fucking mountain. We started at the, we went to the very top and went all the way down. So it was great. It was a lot of fun. We got stuck in a ski lift and then they left us there over the weekend

and then wolves came. And then I tried to jump down. I tried to jump off. Oh yeah, Ralph tried to jump down. broke his leg and then I tried to Yeah Yeah that was

Peach lost her hand And I tried to climb Across the The wire But it was razor sharp And I couldn't And then it was so cold That we couldn't see our breath anymore

Because our bodies became hypothermic And we couldn't see our breath Anyway We also saw some movies Yeah What did you see There was a movie on a mountain Or at least it took place

somewhat on a mountain called The Climb about the riding bikes up a mountain. It was more about like friendship, I guess. It premiered a con, so Adam had seen it before. He just wanted to show me, and I loved it. I thought it was so great. It had a lot of personality. It's one of the best things I've seen.

If it's considered a movie from last year, it's one of the best of last year, I think. Yeah, I don't know why you consider it last year when you consider climax the year after it came out. Well, I just consider whatever. It's just an excuse to recommend good movies. That's what I always thought it was I didn't think the list making was that important But what did you think of it Adam Considering you sell twice

Obviously yeah If I'm watching a movie for a second time And I'm introducing other people to it I think that's a sure sign that I enjoyed it And they were there too The director and some of the cast to the editor And you could tell like the personality they had on stage Carried over into the movie

Yeah the writer and director start in the film It was really low budget but really ambitious at the same time. Yeah, really well shot. Every scene is presented in one take, basically. Like another movie we talked about. And it felt a little more inspired in this. Yeah, much more personal and genuine.

What were the other ones we saw? Oh, yeah, Zola and... We saw The Nighthouse also. The Nighthouse. The Nighthouse, I wasn't crazy about that one. That was a horror film. It was the new David Bruckner horror movie. Yeah, yeah.

And I don't know. It's about ghosts. So I was already like, fuck this. I'm not, ghost don't scare me at all. But there's this underlying element of like grief. It's really about like her dealing with the grief of her husband who passed away. It's a better Babadook, but not really the same. I don't know if it's a better Babadook.

In some ways it's better. Like the scares were actually a little more creative in how they were presented. There's a lot like use of mirrors and like whip pans that were cool. But the story itself is kind of like whatever I thought. Yeah, I enjoyed it. be reviewing it in full on my channel later. Oh, okay. I don't know if people know this, but this was the first time we met in person.

Yeah. That was fun. Your thoughts. My thoughts? What am I like, Ralph? You're the same as you are here. Oh. I feel like, it was just, it was nice to see you in person, but it's not like meeting someone.

Yeah, it was nice. Back at you. Thank you. Then what about Zola? Zola was like, it was one of like the big standout to the festival. festival. That's one everyone was talking about. It was all right. It had a personality, but it was kind of repetitive. A little bit. I liked Riley Cone. What's that one about?

It's a movie based off of a 148 tweet long Twitter thread that went viral back in 2015 or something about a waitress from Detroit who goes on a road trip to Florida with a stripper and then some crazy things happen okay so quite wacky kind of wacky it gets a little dark it's got a good personality it mostly stays with the comedic tone yeah I liked how the movie has no rules almost it just does whatever it wants and it has like a very free flowing nature which maybe that's why it was repetitive but I did like that element of it there's like narration that comes in and out there's a really creative like cinematography and editing choices it it switches perspectives for like five minutes and goes to Riley K.O.'s character and her

like Reddit thread that her character wrote in real life, which was fun. Yeah. But overall, I wasn't, I wasn't 100% with it. It could have been a little better. And then that's all that Ralph saw. And I saw it a few more after this. But I heard Minari was great, right? And you saw that.

It was probably the best one I saw that I hadn't already seen before. Mm-hmm. It was the best one I saw that premiered at Sundance. I'll review it on my channel. I'm not going to get into it too much here. It was good. It was solid. There were a lot of things going for it.

And then Ralph... Leave it vague. Had to go and visit Wuhan and then move back to New York. Well, I had to treat the patients in China with coronavirus. It was a dire emergency, so sorry about that. You're the only one that could do it. Mm-hmm. That was the only one.

The rest of the doctors were sick. So Alex finally saw Uncut Gems. Yeah. On Netflix, right? It was finally available, made available in the UK, because we get

everything late over here. And yeah, if you're in the UK Uncut Gems is on Netflix. Now, and it's definitely worth a watch, I feel like I can finally be part of the conversation. Did you see it in theaters or on Netflix? On Netflix. Oh. It never got a theatrical

release in the UK? It's not. around where I was. Shit. That sucks. Yeah, we don't get the best coverage here. I'm always complaining about it. Well, yeah, I mean, like, it's the

one that 824 was spending all of their money on for the Oscars. You'd think that at least... Yeah, it was kind of a hit. It was like a huge hit in the States. Yeah. I didn't think they were expecting it to be as big of a hit as it was. They were really banking on, like,

mid-somer or some horror movie to do really well. And this kind of came out of nowhere. They pumped a lot of advertising dollars into it. I think they helped make it ahead, honestly. They spent a lot of money on the ads. I think people really connected with this one. And maybe the Adam Sandler bit is what got people on board too. There was a lot of buzz for him to get Oscar Noms.

Of course he didn't. Because I don't think they take him. Like, I don't think they take him seriously, which is a shame. Because I think he's a good actor. I think the Academy just hates the Safty Brothers. You think so? Yeah. Why would they hear of it?

I think if it were different directors, then it would be fine. Not necessarily like, oh, grudge against them personally. but I think against like their tone and the type of films that they try to communicate. I think they just are not a fan of this like anxiety type movie. It's not it's not something that the Academy wants to see, I guess. Yeah, what do you think, Alex? Honestly, at first I wasn't quite sure because everyone's talking about how it is like very anxiety-inducing and it's all it's all about chaos, chaotic is the word I'd use to describe it.

And at first the story is kind of setting up all these, what's seen- like disparate strands that all are going in their own direction. It was the first strand types of film? The first strand type of film, yeah. But, yeah, at first I was finding it a little bit overwhelming and wondering where it was going, but there was a certain point in the movie where it all clicked for me and I was like, oh, okay, so it was all just kind of elaborate setup for the ultimate payoff that as the full circle of the story kind of comes back round and you start getting all the payoffs

in the very intense kind of finale. And I think I like it more than good time personally, because I think I just love the character Adam Sanna played. I love these kind of greedy, incredibly flawed characters. He was really interesting. Yeah, but he was very, like, expressive and over the top in a way that that kind of Adam Sandler flair, I thought, really worked. He was fairly realistic in terms of that,

type of person, you know, the sort of flamboyant, like, store, gem store and you'd expect him to be. And it is just, it is intense and it is stressful in all the best ways possible for this kind of movie. And yeah, I just loved it. He's also got like a kind of a gambling addiction. You almost can't help himself getting himself in trouble, which is how like he got there in the first place. I wasn't getting that anxiety that I think everyone else got from the movie. Maybe the last 15 minutes or so I got it, but it wasn't like good time where the whole movie was like him running around fucking doing crazy stuff. It was it was more of like a sad character piece about this guy who's like gotten himself into this horrible situation. Yeah, exactly. Because he can't

help himself. Yeah, the stress aspect just comes from you following this character who keeps making these decisions that have you screaming like at the screen. What are you doing? You just had you out. Just stop, please. And that's the ultimate point of the story, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. endless greed, you know, untapped greed and how it'll always come around and bite you. Yeah. Those kinds of stories are eternal. Devil or nothing, you know? He constantly needs to get his high from winning.

He always thinks he can just do it again sort of thing. I think that's ultimately what the story is about or what the character is about. Do we want to talk about spoilers? I kind of do. I kind of do. Spoiler warning. Everybody. Yeah, let's go into it.

Because I think by the end of the movie, I forget who made this comment, but it's one that kind of resonated with me. They were saying that at the end of the film, when he gets shot in the face, it is actually kind of a happy ending for him. Yeah, I was going to say that. It's very bittersweet because it's like a victory. It's like he had this last victory before he went away. He never came down from his high. He won and then all of a sudden lights out sort of thing. whereas because of his character and because he is a gambling addict,

like he would have just kept going after that point. Yeah, it would have been the show in the cycle, and he would have made his life worse. Yeah, it was kind of a weird, happy ending for the character in a way, which I find interesting. It was a very fitting ending to the film and the themes of it. It was perfect, but it was unexpected at the same time. Oh, yeah, very.

Like, it was shocking. The whole theater. I wish you saw it in the theater, Alex, because the whole theater went, holy shit! They were fucking mortified. One guy had his hands up in the air, and he didn't put him down until the credits, basically. It was nuts. But yeah, it's not that often where the main character of the movie gets shot in the fucking head.

Like that. But it makes sense, too. That's a great point about the addiction kind of aspect, because I almost wasn't even really thinking about it like that. I was just, yes, he's kind of a selfish kind of, you know, store owner. I wasn't even thinking about it in terms of that. You're completely right. It is about his helpless addiction to this cause, which just keeps getting him in more and more trouble. And it just can't outrun it. Yeah, and other characters, too, like the basketball player, who's a real basketball player, I forgot his name.

But he has the gem, which he's addicted to. He needs to have the gem to play well, even though it's just like some rock. It probably doesn't help him at all. But in the context of the story, he needs it. That was another interesting aspect was how they did bring in elements of, you know, real, world stuff like the basketball player like um there's the pop star that's in it uh yeah weekends yeah weekends in it and it kind of makes it yeah it makes it that but feel that much more kind of realistic and tangible and you know it makes the world that much more kind of immersive yeah and adam sandler blends in with them and also they have all these non-actors or people that look like they're off the street mm like the girl plays his girlfriend is just like a first time actor i think

and she was great too it all blends together really well. Everything feels part of the world they made. It's such a great movie. It's a shame it got no attention from any like I mean it got attention. Yeah, just not Academy attention. Well, yeah, but awards attention. Have there been stories of Adam Sandler fans going to see it and being disappointed because it's not, you know, typical Adam Sandler movie. It's not grown-ups too. Yeah, you can find these stories on like IMDB or letterboxed pretty sure. just sort by the negative reviews. Oh, yeah.

I'm just glad there's now more than one film we can point out to say, look, there's a really good Adam Sandler performance. Now you can actually argue about the two that there are. Well, Meyerowitz's stories, too. Have you seen that? Okay, that's true. Yeah, three then.

Yeah, yeah. He's got three. But he's got talent. There's no denying that. And now he's signed another deal with Netflix. They want like three more movies from him. So he kept his promise. Four, yeah.

He didn't get nominated, so now he's going back to doing shitty Kevin James movies. Yeah. Yeah, I loved that comment he made. So he knew he wasn't going to, if he wasn't nominated, he'd purposefully make the worst film he could. It's a funny, a bit of self-awareness, because you'd almost expect someone who's making the caliber of Adam Sandler-type films to defend them and to not think they're bad. But he's like, yeah, there's shit. I'm gonna make more of them. Why should I try if you're not even gonna give me an Oscar nomination?

He knows what they are. Their comedy is like made for a certain audience and they're stupid, but they're not. I don't find them that insulting. Some of them I do. Like that's my boy Jack and Jill. But recently he's called me and like whatever. I respect him way more. Now I've kind of seen what he's capable of in terms of like a performance like

compared to the way he was standing in. my mind a few years ago. Yeah. He was only pretending. Yeah, it's like how much can you really criticize someone for just being really successful in an industry and knowing what he's doing?

It's like, yeah, it's kind of garbage, but you know what? I'm making a lot of money from it. Yeah. Yeah. What your comedies make $150 million? What's wrong with you? What do you keep doing them? It's like, because they're really successful. He gets to subsidize his vacations. Getting paid to go on holiday.

He's just like, yeah. Let's do a movie. movie in Hawaii I'll bring my whole family We'll go on vacation And the producers And Netflix will pay for my vacation And maybe we'll do a little bit of acting

While we're there What a gig acting And they could get like He could get all these beautiful women to come Like Kate Upton and Jennifer Aniston That just be on sad It's like a big fucking party And then they just film a bit of it

Yeah that's what it is And it's a movie I guess Uh huh But when Adam Sandler wants make like a real movie like this it's so good and then there was um the safty brothers made a short film too with him oh yeah i haven't seen that old man versus silver man and they shot that like in time square it was so good and they're playing like these two mime characters arguing over spot in time square so i like that he's doing weird stuff like this too yeah it's very interesting i wonder

how much they had to pay him to be in the movie yeah that's a good point because they were trying to get this movie made like 10 years ago or some shit and they gave the script to adam sandler he like, no, I don't know who you are. And then the Safty brothers made good time or whatever. And then A-24 helped him out. And then finally it happened. But when they wrote this script, they were like, Adam Sandler or nobody else.

They literally wouldn't make the movie without him. Wow. That's risky. Yeah. It worked out really well. The Safty brothers are like blown up, which is crazy. Yeah, absolutely.

They're very up and coming. I'm sure we haven't seen the best of them yet. There's a huge amount of up-and-coming filmmakers right now. There's like a big generation of them. There's the Safty Brothers. There's Trey Edward Schultz. There's like Jim Cummings. It's like the A-24 crowd.

Yeah. Robert Eggers. Yeah. Yeah. A bunch of new directors that are doing fun things that I want to keep up with. Seems like there's always stuff to watch. I mean, not like there hasn't been any other year, but a lot of new and exciting things. just because it's easier to make a movie now than ever.

So more people are doing it. Yeah, absolutely. You have anything else to say about uncut jumps? Those are my top-level thoughts for now. It's definitely a film I want to see again, but it's essential viewing as far as films from 2019 go, especially for that Adam Sandler, character and performance.

He anchors it and carries it, and all the praise is worthwhile and justified. Yeah, it's very fun and upbeat. But also sad as well. There's a lot going on. It is fairly overwhelming at first. It's like a tragic comedy almost. Yeah.

It's an interesting tone. He's such an over-the-top kind of person in the movie that he is kind of inherently funny because he's got, Adam Sandler's got charisma. He can play that kind of loud, like, cocky character really well. Yeah. Yeah. But it takes place in this very dark world, so he gets like punched in the face for acting that way. And you're like, oh, yeah.

Yeah. It's not. That's not funny. Locked in the trunk of cars and whatnot, yes. Yeah. What I find hilarious about this, and I pointed this out in my quickie I made back in September or whatever, in any other movie, you could take these scenes of Adam Sandler getting hurt and just like the way it's presented, like, add a different sound effect, and it would be, like, done for laughs.

But in this movie, it's not. When he gets punched in the nose, you hear this, like, horrifying sound effect where it's like, holy shit, like, that's brutal. Like, it got... You brush. his fucking nose sort of thing. Whereas like any other movie that Adam Sandler's been in, if he gets punched in the face, it's like, ha ha, he dumb, he fall.

Yeah. Clap. He does get beat up a lot and uncubed jams. Well, it's because I really, even though he's a total asshole, like I really started to relate to him and feel bad for him almost because he was so desperate in that situation. And I was kind of rooting for him at the end. So I don't know. I didn't enjoy laughing at.

him as much as I was kind of rooting for him, even though he's a piece of shit. Agreed. What would you give it? I'm torn between a four-star, four-and-a-half star. Either way, it's very good. Very high ratings from me. Probably it probably will be four and a half upon rewatch.

I'd say four and a half. Just because it stuck with me. But on first watch, yeah, it was like a four. Like when I first saw it, I mean. Yeah, okay. I'm giving it an eight for now, and I've only seen it once. We'll see what happens the second time. It's on Netflix.

Yeah, it'll be on Netflix soon. It already is. In the U.S. Oh, it's not in the U.S. Yeah. I don't think so. I think next month. Or actually this month.

It's just later. Oh, weird. It's so cool, though. We're getting movies like that, like that just put on Netflix. It's a great time to be a fan of movies like this. Mm-hmm. We could talk like a tiny bit about the Oscars if we wanted to.

This episode won't be out until after the Oscars are already, have already happened. Because we recorded the previous episode super early because we were, Ralph and I were at Sundance and doing other shit. So we kind of missed the opportunity to do like a full discussion on Oscar nominations. But anything you felt was truly snubbed. Obviously uncut gems, Adam Sandler. Yeah, I'd say uncut gems is the biggest snub.

But they snub a lot of A24 stuff and it pisses me off. Well, it seems like A24 put all their. eggs in one basket with uncut gems and then the Academy just didn't fucking like it. I don't think they have enough money to do anything but. I think they got to put all their eggs in one movie because they don't have enough money to like campaign. Like, you know, Warner Brothers can campaign a shit ton

because they have tons of money even if they have a few movies. Did you see Disney's for your consideration campaign for the Lion King? It's on their website. It's fucking insane. Did you see Travolta's campaign for fucking the fanatic? Oh, yeah. I don't know if it was real. No, it is real.

It's like on his website. It's completely unironic. It's weird. I'm fucking moose. Jesus. Yeah, it's insane. Disney for the Lion King, they pushed for like every single category except animated feature.

So they only wound up getting nominated for special effects, which is good, I guess. But they seriously not just pushed for best picture, but they were trying to get best actor nominations for Donald Glover and Beyoncé which is like first of all voice acting second Beyonce fucking sucked right it wasn't a good performance

this has never happened before in the Academy ever like I don't think there's been a single time where a voice actor has gotten nominated for best performance and yet if you go and search Google right now Disney for your consideration the Lion King 2019 you'll find their

campaign and they were pushing for all of these things. Literally every single supporting actor that was in the film, including Eric Andre, just for a role as a hyena, they were pushing for supporting actor nominations. That's so balzy. That's insane. They're like, you love us Academy. We know you do. We can do this. It's absolutely insane. Could you imagine a best supporting actor nomination for Eric Andre for the Lion King? I'm Seth Rogen. And John Oliver. Yeah, they're all there It's like they didn't give a shit They're like this movie made

Billions of dollars So why not That means it's good, right? God, that's embarrassing I can't believe it I have some of the nominations here If you want me to read them Sure if you want

Should we start with like best picture or like go to like actor Or whatever? Well, the animated movie, let's start with that actually Because how to train your dragon I lost my body, which is a Netflix movie, Claws on Netflix, missing link, and Toy Story 4. I have now seen all of them except How to Train Your Dragon, which I don't think I will. Yeah, the only one I haven't seen is I lost my body, and I assume, yeah, I assume that's probably the best one from that list anyway. I would say it's the best one that I've seen out of the nominations.

I've seen some of Klaus. Klaus was really well animated. I don't know about the story because I didn't watch the whole thing But it looked beautiful I couldn't believe it was actually 2D Yeah, it's gorgeous yeah Yeah, I enjoyed the first half of Klaus And then the second half got kind of lame for me, but Oh really? Oh

Kind of the half I didn't see it has some strange moments in it Yeah, it was cute overall It's yeah fairly familiar sort of animated movie story but Yeah, yeah I really just appreciated the look of it Yeah, yeah great Missing Link had great animation. Yeah, those guys always too cool.

Just the story was... Coraline's fucking amazing. Yeah, they're on a run of doing those kinds of movies. They're beautiful in terms of animation, but there's just nothing memorable about them. Yeah, it's unfortunate. They're called Lyca. Is that what they're called?

Yeah, they've just got string of them ever since. Yeah, Coraline, I think, was the last one that was quite good. Yeah. Depending on what you thought of Cuba, right? Is that the same people? Oh, yeah, in Cuba, I guess. Yeah, I was that correct.

crazy about Kubo, but... Yeah, not a great year for animated movies. I don't know. No, not at least from this list here. Who do you think stands the highest chance? I'm amazed Frozen 2 wasn't in there, considering the Disney Bons. I'm assuming Toy Story 4 will win, but I have no idea, honestly.

You think so? You're probably right. I mean, people liked it. I don't think Toy Story. No, I don't think they're going to pick that. I feel like we have to forget about, like, what we personally like out of the... list and try to

put our minds into how they vote. I don't think they're going to give it to Disney though. I don't think they're going to

do it. I think they'll give it to missing link or Klaus. Yeah, maybe. It's possible.

You never know. Missing Link one for Golden Globe, I think. Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's not a good predictor. You're right. Original score is the Joker,

little women, marriage story in 1917 and Star Wars the rise of Skywalker. Those are the scores. Hmm.

That's actually hard because I can't say I liked any of those. Yeah, I'm not passionate about any of these, honestly. I liked the score for marriage story. That's the only one that I found. Yeah, I did too, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't give it an Oscar. I don't remember anything about the score from Joker. The score for 1917 was so inappropriately used that I can't even tell if it was decent music, honestly. It just hurts the film.

And Rise of Skywoper. That's just like John Williams. Just Star Wars music. Williams because it's John Lilliams. Yeah. Alexander does plot did the Little Women. Oh, actually, I really liked that story. I still haven't seen it.

Yeah. Okay, that's the only one I haven't seen. Yeah, I think he would be my pick. He's consistently doing good stuff, so that doesn't shock me. Original song. So, I can't let you throw yourself away from Toy Story 4. Love Me Again from Rocket Man. I'm standing with you from Breakthrough.

I don't even know what that is. Stand up from Harriet And then into the unknown from Frozen 2 So Frozen 2 is here Is this in the original song? I have no idea I don't Yeah

I'm not sure what any of these Does anyone have an opinion on these I just wanted to read them off Because I think this category is going to be out Like after the Oscars I don't want to spend so much time speculating Okay Just get to the important categories

Do you just go to best picture then Yeah Good good good good best director or whatever Okay best director Irishman Martin Scorsese Joker, Todd Phillips 17, San Mendes

Parasite, Bongju-Ho and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is Tarantino. So those are the choices for directing. Bong, baby. I'd say bong. Yeah, smoke that shit. I have a feeling it's going to be all about Parasite and Joker.

That's what my guts telling me. Those are going to be the two big winners in my mind. Okay. I think Bongs won that one. I would be upset at a Todd Phillips win. over any of the other. So, are the director of the hangover? As underwhelmed as I was from 1917,

I would be fine with a Sam Mendez best director win. I would be not fine with the Todd Phillips one. I enjoyed Joker more than I enjoyed 1917 still. But director, it was a Joaquin Phoenix movie, not a Todd Phillips movie. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I don't think you got the movie, though. Here's best picture, though.

Ford v. Ferrari, the Irishman, Jojo Rabbit, Joker, Little Women, Marriage Story, 1917, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and Parasite. I think Parasite should win, but my favorite was once in a time. I hope it does. I think that's going to be my luck only just because I want to feel happy about winning if I do. And if Parasite does win and I don't pick it, then I'll be extra sad. But I don't know. Yeah, I think Parasite deserves it, but I honestly wouldn't be shocked at it.

If Joker wins. I think 1917 has got a good chance of winning. 1917? Yeah. It's winning a bunch of other shit. Yeah. I guess that makes sense. Jojo Rabbit.

Did you guys see that? Yeah, I've seen it. I didn't think it would win. Yeah. I was kind of underwhelmed with that one. Yeah, we'll see. Ford v. Ferrari. How about that?

That was like an average, like, biopic. Yeah. Christian Bell was good in it. But I wouldn't... It's green best picture to me. It was fun. No. That one hasn't really stamped.

Stood out. There's a little long, kind of forgettable. The car stuff was good in it. Yeah. The race scenes and all that stuff was really impressive. Little women, I still haven't seen it. Just how little are these women, though? Yeah.

Tiny. Is it a tiptoe sequel? It was fine. Any other interesting categories? No. Are there any other interesting ones? I haven't seen like half of these. You want to do Best Actor?

In the leading role? Oh, yeah. It's just going to be Joker Yeah I think he's going to win that one Which is fine That wouldn't annoy me He literally carries the whole movie

There's nothing else going on The movie aside from him I think he would Yeah if that doesn't make him deserve it I don't know what does So Antonio Banderas Linar DiCaprio Adam Driver

Jonathan Price And Joaquin Phoenix Yeah Joaquin Yeah he's almost definitely gonna be him I don't want to be surprised If it wasn't

I'll be excited to see him Walking away with an Oscar That'd be two jokers That'll won an Oscar then I know and how would it feel to be How would it feel to be what's his face? Jared Leto Just imagine being him

Like in between the Oscar winners Holy shit Because he was already upset about it This would be the Yeah Just a picture in his face He's the little pot hole In the road

He'll be damaged after this Yeah For sure Yeah get the real tattoo It's just so weird because he's made he's been in movies like the master he's worked with like paul thomas anderson and like this is the movie that got him the oscar and the attention it's so weird to me because i don't think this is his best role it's just seen by the most eyes i suppose i think i think uh the academy

is more likely to give you a nomination also when there's like this huge campaign around like body transformation sort of thing and he lost a lot of weight yeah that was pretty impressive too right he was talking about how we went like kind of nuts from doing all that so yeah yeah yeah shows I mean yeah so very intimidating performance so let's see in the actress category is Charlie's Theron and bombshell I haven't seen that that looks really bad Renee Zell Weger and Judy Sir Roy I can't say her fucking Sirsha the Irish girl surcia a little women sure Scarlett Johansson a marriage story Cynthia Irvo and Harriet Scarred Joe has two different nominations she's also in best supporting which is weird

for Jojo Rabbit. That is quite weird. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's so weird. So she's nominated for best lead and best supporting at the same time. Two different movies.

Huh. Yeah, she was great in Marriage Story. Yeah. I think she should win. I'm with you up, although I'm missing a few of the other movies. It might go to bombshell, though, because a lot of these usually wind up going to, like, biopic, kind of like, oh, you really did a great job performing that person sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, true.

Yeah. I think she plays Megan Kelly. Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing it just for the performance. I might check it out before the Oscars happened. Florence Pugh is nominated. Yeah, for supporting. For Little Women. Although, I think her performance was better in Midsummer, but still, got a nomination.

Yeah, I agree, but they're not going to nominate that. You agree, you haven't even seen Little Women yet. How do you know? I just love Midsomer so much. I know it's not going to top that. Harmies don't count, remember? Yeah, they don't count as movies. But for actress in supporting category

There's Kathy Bates also for Richard Jule That was a big bomb Laura Dern in Marriage Story Scarlett and then Margot Jojohnsen Jojo Rabbit and then Margot Robbie and bombshell I'd probably just give it to Florence Pugh for Mid-Somer even though I think they would want to

I think she's like enough of an up-and-coming kind of person that the Academy is like I like you sort of thing that happens sometimes Yeah that they just give it to her Yeah I don't know it's either going to go to her like Laura Dern probably but who knows actor in a supporting role Al Pacino

an Irishman Joe Pesci and Irishman Brad Pitt in the Hollywood movie Anthony Hopkins and two popes and Tom Hanks in the what the hell's that guy's name a beautiful day in the neighborhood I didn't know who's supporting I thought he's so funny I haven't seen the movie yet but the people who have seen it is are like that's not even the main character it's about some of the guy in the advertising and the marketing just lied to people. That's funny. I had a chance to see it at Tiff,

and I just decided not to you, because I was not a fan of, can you ever forgive me? And I knew it was the same director. I was like, she does not seem like she has promising talents. Who did you have your vote for on that one? Sorry, Ralph?

Joe Pesci, my boy. The Pesci is Joe Pidgee. Okay. There's some good picks, though. I mean, I like Albuchino, I think, actually. from that list. Yeah, he was really good. It's Jimmy Hoffa.

And that's the Oscars. Yeah, and they've already happened, I guess, when this episode is public. I don't even get why we talked about. They're so boring. I hadn't looked at them until today. Yeah. I'm not going to watch them.

I don't even know when they're on. I'll be doing my live stream. I'll look at the results like two days after on Google when people tell me like, oh, the Oscars happened. Over won all 11 nominations. Oh, cool. You'll get messages about that, Ralph.

All right. So there was a movie that was recommended by me in this film. It's called Wizards. And the year, what was the year? Wizards, 1977. Yeah. Seven. Okay, sorry, I didn't hear you.

Yeah, Wizards, 1977, directed by Ralph Bakshi, and I guess I should describe it. It is a film where this crazy man who is a animation rebel named Ralph Bakshi decided he would like to prove that he could make a family movie. And I guess the standards for what was considered a family movie were different in the 70s. Because there's a lot of violence and a lot of like weird sexual stuff kind of too. And language. Yeah. It's, uh, I would consider it pretty adult, honestly. But this is Ralph Bakshi's version of a movie for kids.

Not even kidding. And it's, it's about two brothers and one's evil and one's bad. So like you got the Saruman and you got, got, Gandalf, who's a Hobbit man who never wear his shoes, and he's a wizard, and he likes to, there's technology,

and they banished technology, because the technology was bad, and there was a war, and I guess, spoiler warning for everybody, uh, you should watch the movie. There was like big war,

like, nukes. And so there, there was a bunch of, uh, mutants, I guess, from the nukes, and then Saraman brings up, finds all this old technology in these film reels of Hitler and inspires his army from Hitler to kill the good elves. I didn't like this movie.

Can I start with that? I didn't like this movie. Yeah. I enjoyed it, but it definitely had sort of B-movie elements to me that were definitely dated, I thought. Okay. Because Ralph Bakshi, he's kind of a legend in the animation world. I think most people probably know him from that Lord of the Rings series that's very famous. And Cool World.

And Fritz the Cat. Yeah, Fritz the Cat. So, like, I looked up a lot about him after the fact, and I have a lot of respect for him, and his impact on like adult animation. And he actually made like more mature stuff unlike sausage party or like family guy or shit that's like touted as adult animation now. Like Fritz the Cat was like,

I think it was the first X-rated, like animated movie. Yeah, it was. And it was also his like directorial debut. It was like his first movie too. Yeah. That's fucking balzy. They had like less production value than like Disney but they made up for it in like the thematic subject matter

and like what they were exploring. that it was more mature and made for adults and it wasn't juvenile with humor or anything. It's like one of the most successful independent animated movies ever because they used that to their advantage. They were like, oh, we got a next rating. We're going to put it on the poster. Fritz the Cat, his directorial debut.

Oh, Fritz the Cat. It was literally they just had it as the tagline. He's X-rated and animated. People were like, oh, what's this? Because, yeah, that would have been especially out there in the 70s. Oh, yeah. And we forget, like, attitudes were very much different back then. Yeah, I love the guy

I haven't seen a whole lot of his stuff But the more I look up about him The more I really admire who he is And I honestly I don't know I've seen this movie Wizards like three times now The last two times I've really Thoroughly enjoyed it

Like it's not like a masterpiece or anything obviously And you do kind of have to get past Some of the like reused animation cells And you know, budgetary sort of things that appear in this movie. Yeah. But honestly, like, I don't know. I love a lot of the character design is really great.

The music is fantastic. The tone is really great. It's very bizarre and weird. Like, I love movies that offer an experience that I'm not going to get anywhere else. Yeah, honestly, I don't feel negatively about this film very much. And it's also, like, pretty short, too. It's not, like, a huge commitment. Yeah.

short too. I wasn't getting much out of the actual story though. Like the fact that it is more mature I was able to forgive like some of the animation maybe, except the story that was actually being told. I didn't think it was that interesting. I didn't think anything about the movie was that interesting. Like the actual animation I think is really inconsistent because of those budgetary restraints. They're using like live action footage and they're like animating over real footage. And I thought it was kind of messy There's some parts I thought the movie It was just ugly to look at

And there's like so much exposition And there's so much about this world That you have to understand And go along with And it, for me anyway, it felt like kind of a bad fan fiction So I really wasn't on board with it So I really didn't like anything about it I thought it was like hard to watch

Yeah Nothing about it I agree that it was very It's very conception and kind of rough is the word I'd used to describe it. Yeah, it's very rough. It is like age, looks a bit unfinished, but it does have a certain charm and style to it to me, like Adam

referenced the character designs. And I'd heard of this movie before Adam recommended it. And I remember that poster quite vividly because of the strange animal, the robot was it sort of like a bounty hunter type character called Peace

We'll get onto those names in a minute But the designs themselves I thought were quite interesting But my issue is the Consistency Just in terms of like the World I found was quite strange Like the story is anchored around

A kind of fantasy slash sci-fi thing At the same time Which is already quite an interesting concept I haven't seen explored that much And very new at the time too Yeah, exactly.

And while designs like that kind of bounty onto character, I thought, work really well. When you have a main character that's like a tiny little wizard with like a green beard and a bright red nose going up against like a... It's very strange when you especially start putting in the war sequences where you have these little elves fighting these like demons that are dressed up like Nazi soldiers and stuff like that. It's very odd in terms of that kind of stuff. And very simplistic and corny. And a lot of the humor and stuff like that really doesn't work for me because it is aiming for a younger crowd. And I think that's kind of obvious to me, even if it was a bit more edgy for the time with all the... It's just like inconsistent to me.

Like you have a scene where they are winning wars by using footage from, like, propaganda footage from World War II. and then you have a scene where like a wizard's hitting on like a fairy and wants to fuck the fairy it's quite strange I wasn't on board with the propaganda footage I thought it was like a little too on the nose the reason it bugged me was because like

the story is clearly already very similar to something like Lord of the Rings but what makes Lord of the Rings so special is that it is it masks that World War II commentary underneath a phantom story so young people can get involved in the world and adults get more out of it by you know reading into it more and it takes all the kind of subtlety away from the story when it's literally like a post-apocalyptic earth where fairies and wizards exist as well as ancient

artefacts of like World War II that they use to it is very strange from that kind of level and it seems more just like let's try a bit of this and let's see what that sticks and let's put that that it's very like loose animationy creativey kind of let's just put it all up and see what sticks kind of stuff yeah yeah I mean like that's like very like it kind of felt for me anyway felt it's very experimental yeah certainly very experimental i definitely appreciate it but i didn't enjoy it at all that being said yeah because then you go into the the characters and things like that that all uh I don't think the performances are particularly good in terms of the voice acting um and because the dialogue as well is Not even Mark Hamel.

Oh, I didn't even notice Mark Hamill. He was a fairy that got shut immediately. He was the guy who played Sean. Oh, wow, I didn't even notice or know that. That's funny. But no, no, no, no one stood out. Although what did stand out was some of the use of language that we teased at earlier. Because you do have these really family-friendly scenes with like little fairies and sort of very cutesy and flowers growing with magic.

And then you have like One of the final lines That the main character says in the movie is I'm glad you changed your last name You son of a bitch And he pulls out a gun and fucking kills the bad guy by shooting him It's the best ending It's hilarious

It's so good I was like so shocked by it Yeah It's like oh my god I thought this is like it It does make the message somewhat confusing Because he's built up as this like Peaceful

I'm gonna stop the This conflict by being the peaceful, like, magician. And then he whips out a piece and kills the bad guy, his own brother, and calls him a son of a bitch. Yeah. That's the best fucking ending. I love it. It's just so out there.

I'm just not sure. Yeah. Is it intentionally supposed to be breaking the expectation there, do you think? Probably. I think it's supposed to be a little shocking in a way. I don't think if it's supposed to be, like, predictable. I think it's supposed to be like, holy shit. It is a weird way to end it.

And that's why I love it. It's just like, you don't see that coming. I love the idea of putting on a movie about like science fiction wizards and shit like that. And then all of a sudden, like, real World War II footage of Hitler shows up. And like, I love the mix of like this animation with that. It's a movie that I can chew on in terms of like visuals. Like things are always kind of like weird and interesting. and you got these like real, I guess, live action clouds and stuff appearing as like backgrounds and like, it's just, it's just a fun, trippy movie for me.

The sort of establishing like wide shots I thought were some of my favorite just in terms of the detail of the artwork, I thought was very impressive. Yeah. Lots of, um, it is all very loose and look, a lot of it does look like concept art, but that is, it's neat. It's neat to look at. It's fun to watch and they have these. they have these sequences which are clearly in there for budgetary reasons where it is almost like watching a storyboard with narration, which I don't mind really in premise, but it was just I didn't think what the narration was saying or the performance of the narration was particularly good

to really back up the visuals that much, but it's more of a pet peeve because of the budget, really. I liked the voice for the narration for like the exposition. I thought that she was fitting. You didn't like her? It was okay. I don't know. It was just the mix of all these different elements that was really stopping me kind of getting involved in the world or treating it as if it, you know, had a sort of power behind it beyond it just being like a silly cartoon.

Whereas like contrast to that with a film we've talked about before, which I was consistently reminded of that being fantastic planet. kind of similar themes loosely, you know, about kind of oppression on like a vague sense. But I think Fantastic Planet's a lot better actually in how it handles its, it's not only its world, but it's kind of consistency with the way it presents its story all the way along. And Wizards has... Yeah, like the animation is better in Fantastic Planet and the kind of world is more interesting and the kind of vibe and atmosphere is a lot more consistent there. I didn't feel like it was trying too hard with, like,

because I feel like the whole gimmick of this is that it is a little more mature and it's violent and psychedelic and has Nazi footage. But Fantastic Planet, it wasn't like selling the movie on those things. It was just a mature movie about that subject matter, about like oppressive governments and slavery, those kind of things. And it was just a good movie about that. Yeah, Fantastic Planet feels timeless. whereas Wizards feels very much of the time.

I feel like there was a lot to delve into with that one, and here it felt kind of surface level for me. And that animation quality really didn't help for me, because I enjoy, like, the worlds of these films, and that's partly why I get invested in these animated things. And seeing, like, live action footage in it and, like, just footage where they animated on top of real footage, it took me out of it.

Lots of rotoscoping and that sort of thing. Yeah, lots of... That's what's called rotoscoping. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The rotoscoping was wound up being done for... budgetary reasons. Like they almost

weren't able to finish the movie. And it comes across like that. It does. It just felt like scenes were missing too or shots were missing. I can't point to like a specific example but yeah, the transitions weren't the best. In my mind

I'm seeing the kind of the war sequences with the marching kind of sides. That to me was one of the more confusing sequences just because they did have to use it for budgetary reasons. And so as a result, it makes the kind of visual expression kind of muddy because you're like, what's going on?

Like, I don't really have a good idea of the kind of space that's being moved through because it is just so many different styles or clashing at the moment. Yeah, when I talk about my enjoyment for this film, it is like partially ironic in a way, you could say. But I do, like, I really love this as just like a really weird. out there unique experience that you're not going to get somewhere else. I love it as this, you know, kind of rebellious, low budget, see what the fuck we can do with animation sort of movie. And I think the director is a really, really interesting character. And I'm excited to see more of his stuff, honestly. He got a job animating. How he started animating. I watched, there was this featurette on the

Blu-ray of Wizards. It was really, really interesting. Basically, he had a job coloring cells at a company called Terry Toons. And he was like, no, I want to animate. But he was literally just like, that was his job, was coloring cells. And it was really unheard of

for someone without much experience in animation to just hop on animation and start doing it. You know, you had to get like a 10-year apprenticeship or whatever, and then, you know, maybe they would let you sort of thing. And so, uh, apparently every lunch break, people would just be like outplaying poker or some shit. And so during lunch, he just moved his desk downstairs to the animator's floor and convinced everyone that he was supposed to be there.

And, and two weeks go by. Snuck in. Before the production manager is like, hey, what are you doing here? You're not supposed to be here. You're supposed to be color and cells. He's like, well, I'm already animating. Choke out what I did.

And then that's how he got started. And apparently a bunch of other people in the company wound up being promoted because of that because he proved that you didn't need this whole 10-year apprenticeship sort of thing. You know, if people were ready, they were ready. Some weren't. But, yeah, you wound up being considered like a hero in the company for that little bit just because a lot of people wound up. That's really cool.

Getting to the animation department because of him. And another really hilarious thing I learned in that featurette was one of the animators. Her name is Brenda Banks. She apparently animated all the goons in the film, you know, like the enemy shots or whatever. The mutants. Yeah. And apparently she got the job by hitchhiking to his eyes. and showing up and just saying, I want to animate.

And he's like, what? Who are you? And she would just keep repeating, I want to animate. And apparently she said it, like, just like that. Until he agreed. And he's like, well, what do you want to animate? She's like, funny things. He's like, do you have any experience?

She's like, no. And then he just let her do it. It apparently worked out. And now she, like, works for Warner Bros. and animates like a bunch of the newer Looney Tunes stuff Yeah Like he could just get a job in the 70s

Doing that shit Just showing up being like I'm determined I've hitchhiked my way here I want to animate hire me He can't do that anymore That's hilarious No Absolutely not

Yeah I love Ralph Bakshi I'm definitely gonna check out more of his movies You're gonna have to do like a marathon Yeah I want to see Fritz the Cat Yeah I think I like this Well I don't know I've only seen Fritz the cat once

And it was a long time ago I think I like this one more But I have no idea I'll have to watch it again It's a very different movie Yeah that one takes place in like the real world almost Yeah Like it takes place in like a city right

Yeah And like the cops are actual pigs From what I remember Yeah Yeah Wizards was Fox's first animated movie Oh really?

Yeah It was originally going to be called Wizard Wars or War Wizards and then Fox got him to change the title because they were releasing Star Wars like two weeks after this. Yeah. Yeah, no, I was actually thinking about the the Star Wars comparison so I noticed it was the same year and I also noticed the the similarities between the stories even being heavily inspired by World War II and having the kind of magical element and the team that had to go on an adventure type thing. I think there probably is reason that um star was is remembered more than wizards um because it is it does it does take um

the the inspiration from you know westerns and uh epic fantasy and that kind of stuff and combine it in a in a more i guess marketable way than a the wizards does because it is way more you can see all the inspiration a bit more clearly and overtly and it does lead to it clashing a little bit more I think as a result. But as you say, it is short and sweet and quirky and charming and very, very 70s, which is neat because of the music and the kind of old sound, everything else. Like the mics weren't the best quality and the sound effects are all really silly and over the top. Yeah, I don't know.

Even despite me enjoying this, like somewhat ironically, I'm still able to get into the tone. I think the soundtrack's really great. I think the music works really well. and it is very dark at points and I don't know when I see something that's especially animated in this like fantasy universe

and all of a sudden the like ostrich horse thing gets like arrowed in the fucking head I don't know I it's so shocking to me because you never see a lot of stuff like that in animation and stuff avatar is like really rapey and that was just

product of its time like this It's such a stereotype for, like, animators to, like, love animating, you know, voluntuous women. Yeah. And here we are again with another example of it, like, like, Betty Boop fairy character. Mm-hmm. Which, like, is always kind of being sexual, basically. Yeah. Giant cleavage.

Sing us a song, Eleanor. I don't want to, but that's why we brought you. Yeah I wasn't sure how to feel about that stuff Yeah It's I don't know It adds to its personality Again kind of like ironic

Yeah Because a lot of it is just like wow Like you just couldn't release something like this In the same way Especially if it's coming from a studio Like Fox or something Like there's no way You're kidding me

Showing actual like Nazi propaganda Yeah I don't think so Yeah Because that was the point that the movie really kind of changed in my mind. Because it's like it's fairly basic up until that point where they start showing like, oh my God, like actual Nazi. Like when the real Nazi flag comes down, I was like, oh, Christ, like they're actually going there.

I was not expecting that. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently they were aiming for a PG rating and they got it. Like this, the MPA rated this PG. Yeah. Isn't that weird? you can release the same film today

I don't think it would get PG at least PG-13 you would think yeah like did they watch it like what I don't understand like our standards is so different but you like I don't know in any other genre

like in live action usually you would think that like it would be easier to get a higher rating like there's so many horror films that were like rated X at the time and then got bumped down to rated R now Yeah, or like rated NC17. Or like taxi driver.

Yeah. Yeah. Taxi driver. They had to like color correct it slightly like a paler red. So it passed that. Yeah. It's so weird. It probably was just from the name.

Unlike the poster. You never think it from the poster. It looks fairly innocent. You know, just from the advertising posters. Maybe they didn't watch it. I mean, honestly, it's the MPAA. Maybe they were like, oh, the poster's fine. Yeah.

Looks like a fun family movie. PG. He watched the first 30 seconds. Similar. Yeah. Boring. That's how they watch the Oscar nominees, too. Yeah.

Well, very clearly, Lord of the Rings inspired. I don't know if I've actually seen Ralph Bouchy's Lord of the Rings thing. And I know I've seen bits of it. Yeah, I've any seen bits. It's cool. It's been a long time. I saw it when I was like 13 or so,

but I remember enjoying it. It's no Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings, but what is? The only thing that I really kind of dislike about this movie or that like irks me to the point where it's like I can't enjoy it ironically even is I was really into the character design of peace slash Necron 99 or whatever

and as soon as he opens his mouth it's like not the right voice should be it should be like a deeper more intimidating kind of voice just given the character design I think. Yeah, or just some kind of filter or something, so you actually understand that you're supposed to be like a mechanical being or something like that?

Because it is, you just, it took me a while to figure out, oh, he's supposed to be, like, not like a human in a costume, I guess. He's supposed to be, like, a mechanical thing. He just sounds like kind of a dope. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't really that off put by any of the other voice acting. It was just felt like kind of a product of its time kind of thing. Wehawk screams were fucking black.

blood curdling. Yeah, they were. Like, constantly. Yeah. When he's fighting that, like, weird spider thing. That was creepy. Yeah, there's lots of strange things like that in the movie. I always like whenever, like, weird animated movies,

spend a bit of time just to show off some of the strange scenery and world and that kind of stuff. It's kind of the whole fun of it to me. So, and every time they do do it, it's like when it said it's best. Well, I enjoyed it more than you guys did. Whatever. I got to see it again. So I'm happy about that.

I think I like it about the same, for me honest. I just like, I have to, because I did like it and enjoy it because it was so brief. There was a section in the middle where I was like, okay, this needs to move along because it's really not keeping me that engaged. But aside from that, it was, it was cute. You know, it was, it was quirky and weird, and I'm glad I watched it. So I know what rating you've given out. I think mine's the same. Okay.

So, yeah. Six out of ten? Sorry, my dog's barking. Yeah, I'm with you. Three stars out of five for me. Cool. What about you, Rolf? One out of five.

Wow. Damn. Yeah. Damn fun. Didn't enjoy it. That's fine. Like, I kept thinking maybe it's dated and, like, the budgetary restraints, but I don't know.

Like, Gulliver's travels from 1930. 30, like, the 30s looks good. That looks better than what I saw here. And, like, the Aristotats had, like, a $4 million budget, and that was made in the 70, or 1970. So I don't, like, I just, I just didn't enjoy the animation. I didn't enjoy the world of it. And it didn't make me laugh. I didn't like any of the characters either.

That the voice acting is pretty terrible sometimes. Yeah, I'd agree. It didn't work for me. Okay. That's fair enough. Like, I don't know how many people I could recommend it. too, but I found my own warped sense of enjoyment from it.

Yeah. It feels very of its time. It's cool to see like a psychedelic 70s, like animated movie. I see, I can see like people smoking pot in the theater watching it. Like they did 2001 or something. Yeah. I think that's like the experience of it. Yeah, it's a good cult movie. Exactly, yeah. It feels

like if you grew up with it, it would be like quite nostalgic, kind of fond memory type movie. Yeah. Childhood. But, you know, I'm just watching it on my TV. like sober. I'm like, okay, that was fine.

I don't know. I should have watched it on your fucking phone. Yeah, I should have watched it on my fucking telephone. Well, that's it. Speaking of David Lynch, have you seen rabbits? No, I haven't. No? Oh, is that his new one?

No, no. The new one he made is Jack. No, yeah, there's a Netflix one he made recently. Yeah, so I did see that one, actually. It's like a short, but it's also part of his feature Inland Empire. Yeah. Which is like three and a half hours long or something. Yeah, he just decided to throw in a bit of his web series into Inline Empire for some reason.

You can watch rabbits on YouTube. I'm just curious what you guys think about it. I haven't seen it, but I did watch some of that monkey interview one. Oh. Yeah, I guess I have to watch that. I still want to watch that. I wanted to watch it with my family. They're like, no fucking way.

They're not lunch fans. I don't think so. They like his more, you know, the stuff. that everyone likes, blue velvet and Mahaland Drive. Twin Peaks. But then he has

the really weird stuff. Yeah, Twin Peaks, people like, the weird stuff like Inland Empire or, I mean,

I say the weird stuff. For him, that's the weird stuff. Inland Empire and rabbits, like, that shit's so far out there. He shot on

like the worst consumer-grade fucking camera you could find like Inland Empire. It's like crazy. Yeah. I think Inland Empire

was my first David Lynch experience, I think. I think that was the first thing I saw from him. Yeah. It was one of those, it was back in the day where I would just watch something if Jeremy Irons was in it. I think he was in that, right? Yeah, that's right. He's in it. Yeah. That would be one.

Lord Dern is so good in that movie. It's a shame like people know her now from like, even her character married stories like whatever and like the Star Wars Last Jedi. But she's like excellent in Inland Empire. She fucking like acts her heart out in that. And it's a lot of improv too. She did a great job. They shot like on the streets of L.A. All right, question time Yeah, let's do it Okay, if you want to leave your own questions For us to answer on the next episode of Sardonicast Head over to the Sardonicast Reddit

There's a suggestion thread And you can ask us whatever you like Let's start off this one from Crappy McDick You had one of the most upvoted Questions this time With it simply being What are your favourite gay movies

Whatever that means? Gay movies. I suppose we can interpret that however we like. Movies about gay people or gay actors, I don't know. Yeah. I just like it to be a great movie. Like, call me by your name is a great romance. Oh yeah, call me by your name is awesome.

It's just like a really great fucking movie about them. Yeah, that's an obvious picture. Like the gay aspect is like, okay, but it's about more than that. It's about growing up. It's about love. It's relationships. It makes Italy look great. Yeah.

So we can count lesbian movies too, right? Portrait of a Lady of Fire recently. That was great. Sorry. The obvious picks Ben and Arthur, obviously. Ben and Arthur. Classic. That movie is very, like, liberal and progressive.

I really enjoyed Weekend from 2011. That one wasn't, like, a huge hit or anything. I don't think a lot of people saw it, but, like, that was the, that was one of the first instances where I saw, like, a gay romantic. movie and I was like you know this is actually really good the characters were interesting their conversations were interesting it's like pretty low budget sort of thing but I really enjoyed that one yeah moonlight obviously oh yeah moonlight's great yeah there's been a lot of better gay movies coming out honestly the past like 10 years

because it used to just be a bunch of bullshit gay movies yeah because it was just like broke back mountain and that was like the one wasn't it for a while? Yeah, from Angley. I never actually seen that. And everyone called it the gay cowboy movie. It was actually ridiculous. Brokeback Mountain had its place in history

because it was like one of the first times where a studio would be like, yeah, you know what, we're going to actually pump this shit out. We're going to advertise this. We're going to put in theaters, you know, like gay romance story. Alist actors. Yeah, Jake Jelenhall and, uh,

what's his face? Joker? He's lecture. Yeah. I haven't seen Brokeback in a while, but I remember the soundtrack being really great. The cinematography was really great. The performances were great.

The story was decent. But yeah, like, it's funny because it broke back mountain became like a bit of a meme just because it was one of the first, like, big Oscar, like, gay movie sort of things. A bunch of people would be like, oh, what? You're going to go to Brokeback Mountain to try and call someone gay or something. Yeah. But that's one I need to actually check out. Yeah, there's some good stuff going on in it.

Cowboys at the moment. Director of Gemini, man. And the good Hulk movie. Yeah, the good Hulk movie. Yeah. The good one. Exactly. Does American Beauty count? Is that a gay movie?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's a Rocky Horror Picture show count. It's more of a cult thing. Too Fast, Too Furious. Top Gun. Yeah. The Covenants really.

Top Gun. Yeah, I think any Rennie Harlan movie Death Race 2, that's a gay movie All right, there's some good ones there Yeah, no, that was a good selection Let's move on to this one then from Dylan LaCroix, who asks, Hello, boys, tricky one here,

What are some underrated or underappreciated aspects of critically acclaimed films? For instance, I saw someone mention Arone Eckhart's performance in the Dark Night, maybe lighting slash art direction of Eternal Sunshine, the lighthouse screenplay, etc. The twins and the social network, that still blows me away. Yeah.

How seamless that is. Like, how good Army Hammer is those two and the V-effects of that. It's so impressive. Yeah. I'd extend that entirely to just the way Fincher uses CG in general. Like, there's loads of CG in movies like Zodiac and a lot of his period piece-type movies. It's so seamless, you don't even think about it. Yeah, Gone Girl, the Fight Club.

They all have, because he comes from. the visual effects background. He's so, he's able to integrate it so seamlessly. You don't even think about it as an effect shot necessarily. And that's like the ultimate achievement, really, in visual effects. Yeah, that's a good answer. The examples given in the questions, I'm not sure I would agree with. Because, like, I don't know.

Do people watch Eternal Sunshine and not think about the art design? Yeah. Even what we talked about, I think a lot of people appreciate it. Fincher's use of VFX. Like, I don't think we're a minority there. I guess it's... It's hard. You have to think about it in terms of, like,

if your average person sits down and watches Zodiac, they're not going to be thinking about that. So I suppose in that sense... Yeah, I guess so. Like, if you... It would be a fact for someone if you revealed. That's actually CG there, or this isn't and whatnot.

Like, I guess that's what it means. Because, like, with the example of Aaron Eckhart in the Dark Night, I kind of understand, with him kind of being overshadowed by a more kind of eccentric memorable character doesn't mean he is any lesser in the movie if you get on saying.

Yeah, yeah. He is just overshadowed inherently just because all the buzz is not around him, I suppose. Yeah, I don't know. Because when I'm thinking of like art films, usually those sorts of aspects are what I already appreciate about them, but I guess I'm just like not really aware what aspects stick out to the general public.

Yeah, I think as a general answer, just anything to do with sound, I think, is largely, like, underappreciated. Because when sound is doing its job, you're not really, it's like a lot of things actually. Yeah. Like editing. And anything technical that isn't, like, completely on the nose, like an obvious, I think largely can be overlooked, you know. Like, there's still, like, when we talk about things like the Oscars and everyone gets confused by, like, the difference between, you know, sound editing, sound mixing. like all the technical stuff definitely gets kind of lumped and sidelined compared to, you know, obvious like actor performances or creative choices that are obvious to spot.

Hmm. I'm not sure I have a great answer or any answer for this. I'm not, nothing's really come into mind. Like, take your favorite movie, for example. What's a, what's an aspect of, of that movie that really stands out to you that maybe you wouldn't initially sort of think about and you've only kind of developed an appreciation for upon you know when we're studying it rewatching it that kind of thing i don't know because all of the elements work really well and they're all like pretty apparent like i don't know it's uh like there's

usually in something like that like i appreciate every element of it but then wind up appreciating those same elements more with each watch. It's not like I didn't think about the music or the cinematography or the different environments before. It's just I like them more with each watch. So I don't know if there's like really

single elements from a film I can think of that I really love that go super underappreciated. Maybe if I thought longer about this, then I would think of something, but I'm not sure. Okay. Let's do this one then from, here we go. PPO6-7834, who they don't include you for some reason, Adam, but I'm sure you can answer too, because I'm sure you're passionate about this.

Do you guys have any interest in seeing Zach Snyder's cut of Justice League, even if it does suck? Yeah. Fuck yeah. Of course. I haven't even seen them. I mean, you need millions of dollars to, you got to pump millions of dollars into that to make it happen. And the only kind of people who have that kind of money is Warner Brothers.

And I don't think they're going to give it to him. But I'd like to see it. Presumably, they wouldn't have finished his cut anyway, right? Mm-hmm. Because I thought the whole, the production was only finished because half the film was re-shot. Right? That's my understanding. Someone else took over because his daughter died or something.

Yeah. Well, yeah, there was a tragedy in his life. And so Joss Sweden took over. But Joss Whedon already beforehand was like planned to come in and do reshoots. It was already, they were already kind of easing him out of it. Because they didn't like his vision of it. Like, what is he going to do? Like he's going to have all these action scenes and stuff that he's going to make in his new cut.

But you need tons of money to render this stuff and make it look good. So you're going to watch like this unfinished. It's going to look even worse than the finished Justice League movie, which already looks bad. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm curious though. Like Justice Lee turned out to be like one of the worst superior movies, probably. Yeah, honestly, of the decade.

It's as big of a fuck-up as like fan four-stick, you know, in my mind, just in terms of like just an utter failure. Like it, you know, as bad as like Man of Steel is like. It's because a lot of studio interference too. Yeah, exactly. I think that really fucked it up. It was like, it clearly was Zach Snyder's kind of vision. Whereas Man, what's it called, Justice League? It was consistent.

Yeah. obviously Batman v Superman as well that was very good but like but that also had a bunch of studio interference so I mean I don't really know either which way I don't think it would really

like it doesn't it's not really valued to me I don't think it would particularly make the film better necessarily but I would be curious to see at the very least yeah still haven't even seen the normal one I don't think it would change my it wouldn't change my view on the movie either

because that's the cut they chose to release but I don't know I think it would suck anyway honestly that's my guess it's better to like leave it in your head have like this have this vision of the Justice League

alternate cut in your head than to like actually live it out because I think you'd be disappointed whoever you are DC fans if like you saw the actual cut it probably wouldn't be as good as you were hoping absolutely

I think a lot of this just comes from people being already emotionally attached to these pre-existing characters from the comic books or whatever and they're just like if they're a little bit disappointed by something or think that there's like a better version of these characters

and their story out somewhere they just want to see it like no one's saying release the Snyder cut for any other movie that he's made if there was like interference with the studios or something no one's going like release the Snyder cut of Legend of the Guardians elves of Gahoul or some shit like it's only with

this superhero stuff, right? Like, it's this idea that like, oh, well, suicide squad will be better if it's extended. Like, they were really looking forward to this. There was just a few scenes missing or some shit. A lot of people were looking forward to the Justice League movie, like they were the Avengers or something. It was like a big buildup to this event.

And the studio really fucked up like the movie. Like, whatever Zach Snyder came up with is probably better than what they came up with. Because it is, it does feel like a mess. It does feel like a third of a movie. that was, like, re-edited, and then another guy came in and finished the rest of it. It's such a disaster. And I can see why people were disappointed.

Yeah, it's not going to get any better. Whatever. Yeah. Better just leave it. They'll make another Justice League movie in 15 years when they reboot everything. And hopefully that one's better. Release the JJ cut. Now they're never going to make another one.

Disney will buy the rights to DC and then they'll do it. Justice League crossover with Avengers. That's what they'll do. Yeah. We have a great question from Three-Headed Freak, who says, What would you say are the most over-referenced movies? So movies in pop culture that we're kind of sick of seeing referenced in terms of, I don't know, memes, be it within movies themselves. So there's lots of movies contain references to other movies, be them over, or more subtle.

Star Wars? An obvious example. Yeah, Star Wars is the obvious one. just watch any Kevin Smith movie and that will start tiring you. 2001 Space Odyssey that's a reference to hell of a lot. Yeah.

Although Mr. Robot referenced that pretty well. Yeah, that was a good example of it. Yeah. There's always exceptions, but yeah, Star Wars and that stuff. Yeah, I guess Pulp Fiction as well is... I mean, they even reference Pulp Fiction in Space. It's not so much like the movie itself. I just don't like how.

it's reference. Yeah, no, it's nothing about the movies. It's just like, oh, it's a Star Wars thing. You recognize that, right? Ha-ha. There's no, like,

subtlety to it or, like, a joke even. It's just, like, references. Yeah. Back to the Future. Gets referenced a bunch. Yep. A bunch of classic movies

to the point where it's like, you don't even really need to watch the movies. You can just understand what they are through pop culture references. Yeah. The Sixth Sense.

You know, everybody knows how it ends. Yeah. Yeah, there's a distinction, isn't there, between we rag on that film Ready Player 1 a lot because I think it deserves it. But like, compare that to the way, like, Tarantino homage is classic Hollywood in his latest film. And there is a huge difference in my mind between the kind of creative intent behind it. One is just, look, you remember this, you remember Back to the Future, don't you?

Look, there's the score from Back to the Future. And then there's, you know, the subtle stuff going on in. Tarantino, it's more like part of the world and organic. Like there's all those music. Like, he's known for his use of music, but it's all like through the radio. Characters are listening to all these classic songs through the radio. It's more like world building.

It's clever. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know. It's just a bunch of classic movies, especially from the 80s. Yeah, 11. 80s nostalgia. Circle jerk.

Oh. I don't have much more to ask for them. Let's move on to this one then from Um, Basil, who says, Hideo Kajima has expressed interest in making a film for his next project. What sort of film would you like from him? And do you think his skills working with games would translate well to a film? Thanks for the podcast.

I don't like Hideo Kajima. I mean, I kind of do. Like, I respect him as, like, what he's trying to do, like being almost an autore of video games. Hmm. But his style is so obnoxious and, like, overly long. And he is kind of pretentious, I think. We don't throw that word around a lot.

You were speaking very highly of Death Stranding before. Yeah, we were also in a bar. No, I mean, even on the podcast. I like Death Stranding a lot. Like, there's so many aspects to his games, even Metal Gear Solid, that I love. And, like, some of the direction of the cutscenes, like, how he uses long takes, it's really cool. But, like, especially when it comes to characters or, like, the way he shoots women in his stuff, Like it's close-ups on tits and asses all the time.

It's so like juvenile and stupid. It's the dialogue I appreciate it. And I wonder if that would carry over into his movies. Yeah, some of the dialogue is pretty bad. Yeah, he strikes me as one of those kind of classic ideas men type characters like a George Lucas who can come up with these ridiculous concepts. But you might need someone else to kind of rein it in a little bit. Yeah, maybe. Because he is kind of a genius, I think.

Yeah, but he's always been propped up by how fantastic the actual game design is. I don't know if he doesn't have that and everyone is forced just to sit through just a two-hour cutscene, basically, which is a film. Cutscings are so long. I'm not sure if people would give him the same, I don't want to say pass, but you know what I mean? Like the, you know, people do forgive certain things that I don't think they would. in a narrative feature. Of course. Right.

Plus, a video game is so long. There's so much to take in, like in an hour and a half movie, not so much. Like, if he starts with the juvenile bullshit in his movie,

or if he, like, makes a cameo in it, he has to, like, put his name everywhere, directed by Hideo Kajima, written by Hideo Kajima. He's in Metal Gear Solid. Like, if he starts doing crap like that, people are going to get sick of it,

because movies are very different in that way, I think. Yeah, I don't know what he would make. Yeah. I have no idea. I don't know. either. So I don't know what type of story I would like to see him tackle or what kind of movie I would like to see him tackle.

I would like to see him do whatever the fuck you wants and then I would be interested in seeing how it goes. Yeah. I don't know if he would necessarily do live action or if he would, you know, basically just make a video and cutscene movie. Like a CG animated. Yeah, who knows? He's certainly creative in ways.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, his worlds are very intricate and thought out. Yeah, that's what I. I'd want to see something, maybe even like lean towards kind of horror, because he's always kind of been good at that kind of, the creepier side. And especially in Death Stranding from what I've seen, like the, some of the concepts are very interesting in the way they're displayed.

It's just the dialogue that kind of lets it down for me personally. I'd be down for watching like a weird film, like even if it is something like wizards and it's just completely mental, at least it would be entertaining valuable in that sense. Yeah, we'll see. He really loves Nicholas Winding Refin, so maybe he'll make something with him. Yeah, he uses all of his actors, Mads McIllison. That's a good point, actually. Or like, isn't Gilma Del Toro in that game as well?

Yeah. Yeah, he uses a lot of like A-list actors, Elie Seidou and Norman Reidis and, you know, established actors. It's cool. If he conceptually came up with some kind of idea and worked with a filmmaker like Del Toro, I could actually see something quite unique coming from that but I don't know if he was given if he was given full control if it

particularly jailed with me or not he was a crazy man yeah crazy brilliant man yeah we need that kind of crazy I do have that love-hate relationship with him because there are those moments in his games that are beautiful and perfect and then there's some shit that's so stupid or characters that are so stupid

and it makes me want to shut it off honestly I was playing Metal Gear Solid and there's like literally 10 minutes of text explaining like the nuclear war and how like society changed from 1990 to 2006

it's like holy shit I can't you couldn't even skip it it's fucking terrible I'd like to see him actually tell a story in less than 20 hours or whatever he normally takes yeah I don't know what the hell he would do given that time frame

it has to be breakneck in comparison. Because isn't like the final cutscene in Death Stranding literally like two or three hours long in and of itself? That's what I've heard. It's just like a whole film. You just have to sit and watch a movie. You can do a mini series, I don't know.

Yeah, maybe that'd be more for him. It's a longer format. It's also just like, you're already in your field and you're so well known in your field. They might as well stick there. People responded fairly positively to Death Stranding. Why not just stay along? Like, you don't need to make Death Stranding too, but try something else. like something

you know you don't have to be you don't have to do a movie it's not the be all end all if that's what he wants to do then sure but yeah it's not like an upgrade

we'd actually see how good of a storyteller he is in a short format yeah yeah which would be fairly telling I'm sure mm-hmm it will yeah

it would be interesting which is why I'm kind of interested in seeing it yeah yeah no for sure I think we'd all watch it but I'm not gonna deny the guy's brilliant

because yeah his games are excellent excellent. I think a lot of them are. Yeah. Chewy boy has one, only for Ralph, I'm afraid, who says, most important thing you learned in film school. That's all.

Most important thing. What's the most important thing? I don't know. There's a lot of thing. Work with other people. Other people help you, and they're very talented and intelligent, and you should listen to them. Yeah. Yeah, you have to rely. It's very fake. I get what you mean. You do have to rely on a, on like, a team. don't you more so when you're working on a project as large as you know sure I mean even Hideo-Kajima he has a huge team of people that he coordinates with to make these grand visions it's not just him it's very easy to see one name on the poster or whatever and like

when you go into film school I think people have that idea of like oh I'm gonna make movies but it's more complicated than that and like a lot of people discover they I just like doing sound mixing or they like being the director of photography instead of the director they're not actually good at directing actors at all or something And like even actors, it's like most of acting and directing actors is just listening to them and what they want and like morphing it, morphing the story toward them, or for me anyway. But yeah, I just coordinate and collaborate. Yeah, that's a good answer. Yeah.

Want to do one more? Yeah, let's end on this one from Plaster Man 40. There's a more philosophical one to end on. How important is kindness and how do you try to be kind to? others. Just throwing it out there. It's very important. Golden rules.

It's essential. It's the way I kind of operate is like I'll always be friendly to people and I kind of give back whatever I'm given. So if I always start off being friendly and as long as, you know, I'm reciprocated, then, you know, that's fine. It's essential you start there because if you start at like a, the opposite end of the spectrum it usually only leads one way and what is the point if you can avoid pointless conflict why would you not yeah in like like that in conversations i try to stay positive if it starts to get

negative or away i don't like i just leave or go oh okay yeah that's fun i don't i don't want to like argue with someone yeah because as soon as the argument start flying then it the original point kind of is lost normally and it becomes all emotional and about something that it's it probably wasn't to begin with. So it's just pointless in my mind to do that kind of thing. You go to a bad place. It's pointless, exactly. If you treat people like shit, people will treat you like shit.

If you don't want to get treated like shit, don't treat people like shit. But how are you kind? I usually ask like, oh, how is your day? I want to hear about their day. People like to be listened to. Exactly, yeah. Listening and asking questions is an easy one. Like, just showing, like, it just, you don't even need,

show that much interest, just enough just to keep it, you know, kind of going. I like to show genuine interest in at least like what they did that day. Absolutely. Because you can learn so much from people who are different from you. So

asking and finding out information about people who are different from you is always telling in some way and you'll learn something from them. And you're not going to learn anything if you, you know, start conversations in the opposite way.

Yeah, if I know a little bit about the person, I'll try to ask them about something they're passionate about. Like if we meet, like, fans or something, I ask them about movies, or like if I'm talking with doctor, I ask them like some, I don't know,

like some fucking medical thing or, you know, something they would know. So they're just like, even if I don't know what they're talking about, they're at least passionate about something they're talking about. My dad talks about insurance for like 10 hours.

I'm like, what the fuck you're saying? But, like, it's fine. I don't know Be excellent to each other Everybody should just Chill the fuck out Don't get stressed about things

Don't treat people like shit Think before you act I suppose Be self-critical Yeah try to put yourself in someone else's perspective Try to be nice Some people just can't figure that shit out Some people just don't want to be cool

For an instance, like a stand-up comedian shouldn't be funny. Not funny. It shouldn't be nice. Or shouldn't be worried about other people's opinions in that way. Like a stand-up comedian, I don't think they should be like trying to avoid subjects or trying to be nice because I think they're trying to be funny. And they should be challenging. And someone has to be the butt of a joke to a certain extent, right? So there is an element of that.

Yeah. I have to tell a joke without insulting to more. You have to insult someone or something. When you're, like, creating art that's, like, different than just normally interacting with people. Yeah, there's different context for it. It's not like, oh, just be nice to everybody all the time, because that's weird. There's ways of expressing yourself that you can be, like, not so nice. Yeah.

Because there's different ways to express, you know, niceness and kindness, because, like, what you imagine, when you imagine someone who is, you know, really kind and nice is like a smiling kind of bubbly person and obviously like that doesn't really describe me at all but that doesn't mean I can't be nice yeah like you would exactly it's yeah it depends I just think it's hard to be mean to someone when you're interacting with them or like having a conversation with them in that way where it is so personal that I'm like but art yeah comedy or any of those things. I think you should, yeah, do whatever you want. Easy to be mean on the internet. There's a barrier. Yeah, and that's the thing. It's easy to get lost in that kind of mindset

and assume that that's just the way people behave. But at least from my experience, anyone I've met to do with YouTube or listeners or fans or whatever, they've always been like incredibly kind. Because people don't behave like they do on the internet in real life. Yeah, I don't like people like that. They act like internet characters in real life. It's weird. Yeah, it can be that much. Yeah. Like, they're doing, like, a stand-up routine in front of you.

You know? I don't like that. That's not genuine to me. I don't know. I don't know if I know exactly what you're talking about. Well, I don't know. Give me an example. I don't know.

I think I know what you mean. It's like an archetype of person where perhaps through maybe some level of insecurity, they feel the need to, like, be. the center of attention type. Okay. Yeah. Or be what they think people like about them instead of just being themselves or... Yeah.

Like it's quite easy to tell when someone is being fake, I think. Oh yeah. It usually rings quite true. I think that's kind of what Ralph's getting at. Okay. Yeah, I see what you're saying. If you can do... Good question.

A small thing that is not a big deal for you, but it is a big deal for somebody else that makes their day fucking do it. Absolutely. Yeah. All right. That's it for questions. I believe so.

It's a good lot. Thank you. Is it Ralph's turn to recommend something? I believe so. Is it? Yeah, Alex, you did the one before. Yeah, I did the last one. You did this one.

So yes, Ralph. Okay. Have you seen the Meyerowitz stories, Adam? Let's see. Let me. Type it. With Ben Stiller and Adam Sandler? Let's...

How do you even spell Marowitz? M-E-E-R-O? And then... Oh, that's no a bomb back. If you're coming back. Yeah. Yeah, it's no one bomb back. It's on my watch list.

I haven't seen it yet. Okay, so I recommend that. Okay. Another movie with Adam Sandler. We're going to Adam Sandler of fun. Noah. Matt against Garwood's stories. New and selected, 2017.

Okay. M-E-Y-E-R-O-W-I-T-Z for anyone trying to type that. I hope I'm saying it correctly. Probably not. It's on Netflix, so it's easy to get. Okay, great. And they should make a criterion of this one, too. We'll see.

Because they're doing that for marriage story. They're doing that for Irishman. So why not? Directed by Noah. Bombach. Is that how you pronounce his name? What a guest got three? Yeah.

The best. Ugh. Excuse me. Bless you. Sorry, I got the coronavirus. All right. If you don't want to be spoiled for the Meyerowitz stories, directed by Noah Baumbach, 2017, then watch that before the next episode.

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I don't know I'm kind of out of it whatever Okay Thank you everybody So it's fine Yeah thank you all Be excellent to each other

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