Sardonicast - Sardonicast #54: Sonic the Hedgehog, The Meyerowitz Stories

Episode Date: February 24, 2020

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Three, two, one. Uh, meow? Classic. Gotta go fast. Sonic. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. This is Sardana cas. I'm Ralph from YouTube.com.

I'm a friend from movie maker. Okay. And I'm Alex Machi and I'm feeling fast right now with that intro. Yeah? That's got me pumped right now. You're on Uppers? Is Sonic on Uppers? He might be.

He might be. I can't wait. I'd talk about that movie, man. You know how for some religions they like stop eating for weeks? I always thought it would be funny if like Sonic was a part of those religion. And when he when he's saying, got to go fast, he's actually talking about like, I don't know, Ramadan. Is that one? Oh, right.

Yeah. Gotta go fast. That's a good, that's a good interpretation. Yeah. That's what he actually means. That's the Sonic like law team about that. Yeah, he's very religious. So there's a video on the internet.

Now there's two of them. They're making fun of us in a loving way. In a talented way. Yeah, it was actually really good. Lots of really impressive, like, impressions. So we're talking about Sardinacost in a nutshell, too, by Liam does stuff here right now. Everyone should go watch for some interesting impressions of, not just us three, but a lot of people. A lot of people.

They got the whole review sphere. Not all of it, but a good chunk. Yeah, we got a cool cat in there, particularly like a cool cat, little cameo at the end. Yeah, that made me Google. That was good.

And then the passionate rant. Oh, yeah. Emotionally was so upset that we'd never mention the first video. Oops. What am I worth? Oops, we forgot. We're only human, man.

Yeah. It was hilarious. It was really funny. I enjoy. I enjoy it. What was your favorite part? The spicy meat bowl, like all the Italian stuff. I'm walking here.

That's what Britain is. It's a pretty decent impression of me, voice-wise. I don't know. My voice is pretty hard to get down. I don't know if I've ever seen, like, a really good impression of me. There's ones that kind of get there. The ones that kind of get close in kind of like a caricature-type way. but yeah yeah because normally when they do caricature it is like really over the top yeah so it's hard to measure like

actual accuracy but yeah yeah my my voice is difficult if someone studied my voice and my mannerisms and the way i speak perhaps we could get like a text to speech adam or something like that i love how there's ones for like uh donald trump because there's so much audio of him talking that it's easy to feed that information into a computer. Same with like deep faking. Oh yeah. Like Shane Dawson in one of his documentaries, he like plays around with this stupid bit of software. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he like talks into it and it you say enough sentences and words so it like can put together a very basic primitive kind of language simulator thing. How many Shane Dawson documentaries have you seen? It's the only one I've seen because it was pointed out to me as being

one of the silliest ones and it certainly is the Jake Paul one or no no it was one of the like conspiracy theory uh videos the chucky cheese yeah the chucky cheese one it's that very one it's like the most bizarre like because people were calling them documentaries and i and i watch it and we're like what what like yeah that was something but i don't know if it was a documentary it's legitimate it's a real film it should be submitted to can It is very bizarre I don't know if people say that as much anymore But when those first started popping up

People were like it's like real movie because it's long I don't know what you mean Yeah, it's just like three or four of his normal videos But just like edited in a truncated way We just get a little clip at a time Super over dramatic Holy crap editing in those videos I can't call them movies

I really can't It's just fucking obnoxious They're like stop footage like robots and stuff that they like edit To make it scary I gotta watch these then Oh, you know like video blocks? I have no I haven't watched any of these Okay

That's what I mean like this is the one that got me into it Okay They're not worth watching all the way through Or anything If you just skip through it Click your mouse five times at random points in the video You'll be like oh This is what it is

No I gotta watch it all the way through Alright I'd recommend I'd like a review of it Why don't you It's an experience. No, I got to watch it all the way. Okay. I'll give it a chance.

I'll give it a chance. Sure? Let me know how that goes. There's so many. Yeah. The Oscars happened. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

When is this episode coming out? I don't give a shit. The Oscars happened, I think, when the last episode aired. We don't need to go into a big discussion about it. But I'm fucking hyped. Because Parasite won. Best Picture. How often does it?

does something like that happen? Never. Best picture, best international film, and then Bong won Best Director. I think they also got screenplayed. So three Oscars. Did they not get another? Yeah. I thought they got a fourth. They got all of them. They got every Oscar that exists. They got Best

Animated Short. So what do you think this means then? What's the result of this going to be, do you think? I don't... I think that the Academy is still pretty stupid and that's apparent

by a lot of their other wins. Like the short film category, if you watch the live action shorts, I don't think there's many people that would come out of watching those thinking that the best one won there. I think that that was the worst one. And two years in a row,

they picked the most obviously worst, but pandering like, oh, this one's in English. You'll relate to this Academy voters. It's about an old aging Hollywood couple in New York, staring out the window, looking at young people being like,

Why can't I be young again? It's like, oh, fuck. You made this for the academy, just like skin last year. Anyway, we already know they don't even watch all the nominations, right? Yeah, this is a good choice. Parasite's a good decision. I think it's less of an indicator that they're growing up and being more thoughtful with their choices and more of an indicator that Parasite was just a big fucking hit.

It was a popular movie. Yeah. It transcended. the barrier of subtitles and international filmmaking. When I asked Dunkie, when he was coming on the podcast, like, hey, you want to watch Parasite? We want to talk about that, too. He's like, oh, I've already seen it. Critical and already seen it.

Everybody's seen this fucking movie. It's crazy. So do you think they just picked it because it is popular, like, the obvious pick for, like, this will get us a bit of respect. I don't think they thought that. And it's a reaction kind of to the output, like the rest of the films that came out in that category aren't as great as Parasite. I don't think.

Yeah, I would agree. I think the best song would win out of the list. Yeah. Or once upon a time, I say personally I enjoyed that more, but it's still a great movie like Parasite. It totally deserves that win. I don't think the Academy necessarily picked it to be like, oh yeah, this is a popular enough movie and this will make people happy. I think that the Academy actually liked it. Like, this is a very enjoyable film to everybody.

Like, there's very few people that don't enjoy Parasite. And most of the ones that don't enjoy it are ones that kind of got too much hype before they watched it. Like a lot of people that I've heard not enjoying it at this point are ones that it's like, what, this one on Oscar? What's so special about this sort of thing? But who knows? I don't know. I think it's great that a South Korean movie is so successful and connected with so many people.

And, you know, there's plenty of great films out there. It's just, it's awesome to see that people are trying new things. Yeah, especially considering how, I think we can all agree this year's Oscar results are so much better than last year's. You remember when we're going through them, we were just like, man, like, it's hard to get passionate about any of these. Yeah. Didn't Green Book one?

Yeah, Green Book won. That was terrible. Yeah. Yeah, that was a bad one. Like I said, such a better film than that. Yeah. And, like, Green Buck wasn't even nearly the best film out of those nominees. There were a lot of shitty nominees.

but Green Book was like... That's like why I can't take them seriously because it's like, really Green Book won best picture and like spotlight? Yeah, oh, shit. It's very bland and forgettable. It's like, yeah, it's so transparent like what they are and it's, oh, it's bad.

Yeah. Yeah, who knows? We might see something like this again in the future. Otherwise, first foreign language film to win Best Picture, which is insane. I'm so happy for Bung. or as they said when they announced his awards, Pong. And I looked it up.

I don't know. The Korean woman that was with him on stage at the Oscars pronounced it like bong, right? It's kind of like a B and a P put together, kind of. But it sounded more like a B than a Pee. Whereas everybody that announced the awards was like, Pong Junho. So, I don't know. I'll trust the Korean lady. Unless you consider the artist, which apparently nobody else considers the artist as a foreign language film.

Oh, well. Because they don't talk? Well, yeah, there's no real subtitles, right? Oh, my God. That would be embarrassing, though. They were like, first foreign language film, the artist in 2011. Yeah, I thought that was French, that movie. Yeah, exactly, but...

Because they didn't talk. It's silent. Yeah, I mean, like, you can have an American-made movie that's foreign language if people aren't speaking English, I guess. Yeah, well, like... The farewell. It's a funny little loophole thing that's happened. Yeah, I have no idea.

There have been films that were ineligible for the foreign language category because there was too much English spoken in them. There were like a few scenes of English in the band's visit or something. And they were like, no, can't do it. Can't even get nominated. Yeah. Pretty sure that happened. That's very strange.

Well, speaking of great movies, we watched Sonic, the Hedgehog. Two of us did. I'll see it at some point. Tell me all about it. I'm curious. So was it as bad as it looked? It depends which trailer. I don't know.

I heard good things about it. I heard good things about it. Okay. There's this interesting psychological phenomenon that happens when people have very low expectations for something and then it's not as bad. And then people go, this is great. but who knows maybe a lot of people genuinely enjoy it and love it it wasn't the most irritating thing ever like birds of prey was super annoying

but sonic was like yeah this is it's all right yeah i was shocked by how i wasn't annoyed by sonic that much i was actually annoyed by other things in the movie a lot more than sonic weirdly like i because to me i'm like you know what if you if you have to do this you have to make a sonic movie make a sonic movie have sonic be the main character and focus on him a little bit because it falls into that trap of every type of movie like this

where you have, was it James Marston? Is that his name? I guess so. Every time, the film like changes every time he's on screen and they have to attempt to build his character a little bit. It really changes the energy of the film because Sonic is so manic and energetic

and kind of childish and that's just inherently more fun and suitable to the, brand to watch so when you go to him it's like ah do we really need this why can't i just be looking at tails right now or knuckles or some what egg man even it's an origin story they've really committed to the premise of like okay this is like the first sonic movie it's basically they actually have the balls they've got the big blue balls big enough to like have this be their iron man like they want this to be like a cinematic universe which is like so funny to me And it's possible because the movie was a huge hit.

Yeah. I don't know if they necessarily are intending for a cinematic universe. I think they're definitely intending for a sequel, though, if possible. They at least want a trilogy out of this thing. Yeah. And with how well it's doing, there's no way. This is this thing. It's going to be five, six movies.

It's going to be a shadowed hedgehog movie. Rooge the Bat movie. It's going to be a rose chew movie. Yeah. Cross over with Marvel. It's going to be great. No, there's going to be a crossover. No, I'm putting this in now.

Minions Elimination's Mario movie It's coming No no no The guys who make minions Illumination They're making that Mario movie Think about this

Think about the crossover That could happen now A Mario and Sonic movie Oh my God It's gonna happen It's gonna happen Maybe Nintendo and Sega

Who owns Sonic at this point Does Nintendo owns Like because Someone had to Does Sega still retain all the rates They're an independent company, aren't they? Paramount has Sonic, like the movie rights, I think.

Oh, yeah. And then Universal, I think, is Illumination. I think that's... They're going to make it happen, man. Yeah, maybe. One of them has to get bought out. Maybe Disney'll buy both of them, and then he'll get a crossover. Yeah, I agree. Sonic wasn't as annoying of a character as I thought he would be. There were some annoying moments. He flushed... But that's Sonic, though? Twice. but

like that's the thing in my mind it's like is this a good movie no no no it is not is it a good Sonic movie kind of yeah like if you really like Sonic

and like Sonic really tickles your whistle this would be the movie for you because like they give like Sonic's got like a backstory he's got an arc they give Eggman like he has this weird scene where you like projects all of his deep insecurities

onto someone about how he was like bullied as a child sorry spoilers Yeah, spoilers. They really commit to the idea and they take elements from the game, like the rings and everything and integrate them into it's so stupid. I mean, they were going to have to do that with the rings. Yeah, exactly. Like what else can you do with the premise and property this, you know, this, Sonic?

First of all, I'd like to just point out the phrase you used, Sonic tickles your whistle. I think that's fine. I've never heard tickle your whistle before. And that was an interesting way to hear it for the first time. It's quite accurate, though. Yeah. Okay.

Well, I guess so. People are passionate about Sonic, man. Am I wrong? No, yeah. There's people like that. I rationalized it by being like, would Sammy classic Sonic fan love this movie? And I was like... Of course.

Yeah. This is like his dream movie, right? And that's like the ultimate Sonic fan. So like, they're getting what they want with this. Don't forget about Christine Weston Chandler. I think that might be the ultimate Sonic fan. There's a lot of good Sonic fans out there. There's a lot of characters.

Yeah, man. Like I said, yeah, some unique fan base for sure. It was a little weirdly over-dramatic at points, which was amusing to me. I didn't necessarily feel like it didn't work for the intended target audience, though. I would go further than saying it's good for Sonic fans. I would say that it's a really good movie for kids. If you're a kid. Yeah, I'd agree.

Yeah. Watching that movie. Like, if I were a kid watching that, I would, I think I would probably really, really enjoy it. I think it would be a movie that I would play multiple times on VHS. No, I completely agree with that. I definitely could, would have been attached to this movie. Because it kept reminding me of that, there was that show, that Sonic show I remember being on as a kid. Sonic X, I think it was.

And I kept getting little like, oh, yeah, this is like, similar kind of setup to that and it's like a decent way of portraying the character and everything like it's fine it's completely inoffensive where like contrasting it was something like detective Pikachu from last year yeah where the biggest issue I have was it didn't even seem like it was representing the brand that well to me like it was confusing like it was Ryan Reynolds playing Pikachu and they all looked like hyper realistic and strange and maybe if we'd got the original pitch that this movie was from that first trailer we'd be having this discussion but they they they I guess they they they put in like a bizarre um what's that restaurant

in America they keep talking out in this movie olive garden oh god yeah it's like some really a olive garden like product placements that are like suitably 90s in the same way sonic is where they they halt the movie to basically look into the camera and say go to olive garden yeah product that's like endlessly tasty their bottomless pasta is truly bottomless I was actually Yeah, I was shocked by that. And it made me wonder, like, did they have to, like, wedge that in to pay for the, like, touch up to Sonic? I don't know, maybe.

Did you notice that Sonic's shoes are Puma brand when the girl gives them the red shoes? They're actually Puma brand shoes. And I looked this up after the fact, and there's, like, they have, like, a promotional deal with Puma. And Puma has literally a YouTube video on their official channel or whatever where they're, like, constructing Sonic shoes, and it's presented in this, like, kind of like, oh, we're the experts here, and we made this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's just red shoes. And it's like the official Sonic shoe.

Not Sonic shoe. It's a marketing dream, isn't it? Because, like, you don't have to worry about upsetting, like, adults with intrusive product placement, because, you know, it is for children, like, and Sonic fans. It really does aim low I'm sorry It is really family friendly Like the stakes are not high

The humor is really babyish Like the humor's very low brow And like Sonic just like does a huge fart for no reason He ate chilly dogs It made a fart chokes Even Rango has a fart choke in it Yeah I mean even even the lighthouse has fart jokes in it

That's the best fart joke of all Yeah, those are more matured. I don't really associate Sonic with, with farting. Like, I'd like never picture that, because it always seemed like he was really trying to be cool in my mind. Maybe, like, original Sonic where he was always downing those chili dogs, but the epic early 2000 Sonic X that I remember, he wouldn't be no fight, sitting on a bed farting. Forget about it. Yeah, the fart joke was out of place.

I think that there were just a couple jokes here and there. Like, it was written by, I think, two people. The writing wasn't particularly great. Let's just say that. No, it wasn't. Did you think any of the jokes were actually funny? How many times did you laugh at the movie? I thought the only genuinely funny part where it was intended to be funny was the turtle.

And that was more to do with the animators when he was like running really fast with the turtle. And we saw like the shot, the close up of the turtle. And he's like, just like the look on his face is what makes the scene. So that's not even the writing really. Yeah. The more animated and cartoony it was, the more enjoyable it was, for me anyway. Like, I really thought a large chunk of the movie was going to, like, take you away from this stupid fish out of water thing. Every single one of these brand, like, I'm going to chipmunks' ass, Smurf movies do.

You know, like, actually make it interesting. Show us the stupid Sonic World, Green Hill Zone and all that. Like, actually spend some time there because it does get so boring when they're in these, like, suburbia's just like, hey, we've got to hide. And it's like, man, just, we've seen this movie so many times. times the formula is so apparent at this point. The mushroom planet looked kind of interesting, but we didn't really go there. Yeah, I found that really annoying because like in that trailer where they show Eggman at the end, and it's like, wow, like he's, the mustache is huge, he's got the goggles and everything,

he looks really awesome, but like it doesn't play out the same way in the movie, like the way they implement that. Just at the end. It's like, oh, more of a tease. I guess you should buy the movie and then we'll get a sequel. And then we might get another scene at the way. very beginning of the sequel and then the rest of the movie will be in San Francisco. With this possible trilogy we might be getting, I have a feeling the next movie will be much more entertaining than this one.

It feels like, it very much feels like just the first, it feels like the first episode of a TV show stretched out into a movie. I don't know how much I can commit to that belief. Sequels are generally worse. it depends like if they really lean more into the I can't believe I'm saying this but are we talking spoilers am I allowed to spoil yeah we already said spoilers yeah because at the end they kind of establish Eggman is he's kind of just gone crazy and that's just inherently more cartoonish and interesting and you can imagine he's on that like mushroom planet

like the setting's already so much more interesting to me and fitting for the whole sonic goofiness and he's probably going to start making all these stupid robot wasps and all the recognizable organography from the games. Yeah, well, you're thinking of it from the perspective of a person that, like, you have your ideas for what you would like for the sequel, but I don't think they're going to do that. I think that in a sequel, they'll probably just have it set in San Francisco again. We'll get one scene at the very beginning of like, oh yeah, Dr. Eggman building a ship,

and then it explains why he's not on the planet anymore. and then we'll go back to the same old bullshit except this time there's tales. That's what it seems like. Yeah, you're probably right. To me. Yeah. You can't give the writers too much credit.

Yeah, but it just doesn't make sense to me how it is an animated cartoony character. Why does it have to be live action at all? Even though it's illumination doing it, I feel like if it just looks like the games in a more clear way, then you're already avoiding that ridiculous thing that keeps happening with these art styles, be it like cats or the original sonic design,

where you clearly have these people that just have no idea what they're doing with this kind of thing. You know, it's just so bizarre to me. It actually pisses me up because like 100% that was an individual or maybe a couple people in charge completely ignoring the advice of everyone around them.

That's what pisses me off because there's like hundreds of animators that work on this shit and guaranteed, none of them liked that design but they went with it anyway and the only thing that changed their mind was the realization that they might not make money

that pisses me off. Yeah. Yeah, the huge backlash you got. And then the work that had to be pumped in to fix it. And then they closed the animation studio right before Christmas and laid off hundreds of people. Yay. Thank you for your hard work

working overtime. Doing back breaking labor crunching shit. Oh my God, they just, they closed their Vancouver off right after they finished that movie. Working extra hard for mistakes that were not even their own fault. Yeah. It's so hard to be a visual effects company. All these fucking stories, like The Life of Pie guys.

Yeah. I mean, I guess the Marvel gig is good. Those guys get consistent work, thank God. Because, I guess. It's hard. That New Zealand wetter, don't they do that? Yeah. They're like a unique example, aren't they?

Where they've got such a name for themselves, they can probably. I don't know, they might make a bit more than the average animation house. Yeah. They get consistent work. It's really... It's so hard. It's so hard to make it. It's due to the economics of it.

It's really weird because, you know, when you set a contract for the animation studio and then you need like a billion changes and then oftentimes it's still within the contract to make those changes even if they don't get more money for it. I think, I believe in terms of Sonic, they actually... like spent another 20 million or some shit. I don't know. Yeah. Was it really?

God, that's insane. God, what an expensive mistake. I know. And all you had to do was not ignore people. There's no way. Yeah, we've got to just make your character look like the brand that it is. Like, how is that even a mistake that can be made? This is shocking.

It's so embarrassing. Nobody thinks that looks good. Like, even the person who insisted that designed, probably didn't even think it looked good. They were probably looking at it from like a marketing perspective of like, yeah, well, we put our shit through a computer algorithm and it said that we need to make things a little edgy and weird. Like the detective Pikachu movie. Some of those look creepy or some shit.

Like, I don't know. I don't know what they're fucking thinking. But there's this huge problem right now where, like, character design is not taken seriously. and it's not done by people who actually know what the fuck they're doing, which is just sad. No, I did get a few good laughs, though, just imagining if this Sonic looks like he used to. Like, just the idea of that.

Release the original Sonic cut. Release the weird teeth cut. Special feature on the Blu-ray. I will buy the Blu-ray so I can see the weird Sonic cut. The Um-Miao cut. I mean, um-Miao is still in the movie, but... Yeah, but I prefer the original. Oh, of course.

Of course. Yeah, it wasn't great. Jim Carrey definitely tried, but felt like he would have been more appropriate at like a kid's birthday party, but it's a kid's movie. It just wasn't for me sort of thing. I was really bored anytime he was on screen, kind of zoned out, started thinking about other things. The only really genuinely funny parts to me, other than that turtle shot at the beginning,

were the moments in the film where it tried to take itself very seriously in every 15 minutes. Sonic would just stop whatever the fuck he's doing and be like, wait a minute, I'm going to be alone forever. And the sad string music comes in every 15 fucking minutes. Those parts were really funny. Those were the funny parts of the movie to me. So, anyway. Yeah, that's what I mean.

I want it to take itself as seriously as possible. Four out of ten. Not the worst. Better than I thought it would be. Yeah. I'm pretty much in the same rating. actually the exact same rating two stars out of five for me this one is uh yeah i i didn't get annoyed uh a lot of the movie it was fairly watchable if not boring and just kind of cliche and familiar

and unfunny and clearly for young children um for a lot of it like it really is very family friendly and that's fine like it's fine to enjoy that kind of thing but it some of the the humor really bugged me. It's like a, I don't know if it's a pet peeve of mine, but like, just like pandering kind of stuff. Like, was it really necessary to jerk off Keanu Reeves in the movie? He's in every kid's movie now. Is that just a joke now?

He's like in the SpongeBob trailer. He was in Toy Story 3. It's how you get the parents to see the movie. I guess he wasn't really in this movie. So much. Yeah, it was just like a kind of, hey, everybody loves Keanu Reeves, right? Like, nudge, nudge. Yeah.

and it is pandering you know like calling raccoons trash pandas and stuff like that it's just very you know internety kind of pandering to that that kind of crowd which which always bugs me but and that's not really an inherent sonic problem i just i don't know i think sonics i think he's he's kind of lame and if you want to do it right it needs to be as cartoony and have all the characters and egg man being goofy and all that and every time they focus more on that stuff i was i was in and every time the boring humans were talking about their boring stuff. Oh yeah. I really zoned out. Yeah, exactly. I didn't care. Half of the movie was just kind of boring. Yeah, absolutely.

It does bug me how it's like this one's getting all the praise just because all of these live action character movies, I mean the Chipmunk Smurfs. Or video game movies in general. Hop, video game movies. Like the bar, as you said, is so low. Yeah. God, it is low. Like, some of the worst, like, films ever to come out of Hollywood.

Like, hop is honestly so abysmal. God, it sucks. and James Marston is in that movie. Oh, yeah. So it's weird casting. I don't understand why he had to be cast anyway. I'm surprised they didn't pick one of the kids from Stranger Things or something instead of him. But yeah, two-star.

Don't rush out to see it. There's concept art on Reddit right now that got upvoted because originally they thought they were going to get Chris Evans. So there's concept art of like the bar scene where it looks like Chris Evans with Sonic. and it's from the Sonic movie. That could have happened maybe. I don't know. I think that was a little ambitious. Yeah.

They got Jim Carrey, at least. That's something. That's something. Definitely needed that. Yeah, he'll be back in the sequel. James Marston, I don't know. They'll probably have James Marston back. They'll replace him.

I was hoping that Sonic was just going to be like the main character in a Weston or something and just show up in a town. Like West Rome? James Marston's a... that too. Oh yeah, but you sort of sorts out his life a little bit and then moves on,

but instead he kind of gets like adopted at the end. So I don't know what they're doing to. Yeah, Sonic's their child now. And they found his secret cave and moved all of his shit into the attic. Oh, dude, we haven't even talked about the fact they confirm that he's like an alien. I'd always, I'd always considered Sonic as kind of like a TMNT kind of mutant or something. Because they call him a hedgehog.

was just... He says he's a headtog. But they keep calling him like an alien in the movie. He's from another planet. He had a weird bird mom or some shit. There was a really dramatic fight sequence. And for some reason, everybody on his planet just realized one day that he has powers and they hate him. So he has to run away.

And it didn't really seem like that planet was much more dangerous than, you know, I don't know, government agencies with fucking drones. chasing you but whatever important sonic law though I could tell it was important stuff yeah you think they'll make a game based off this movie now um Christ I didn't even thought about that I'm surprised they didn't already think of that honestly yeah a video game tie-in people would have bought that especially if it was actually good you know because they always have such a stigma about them those movie times but if it was just a fine Sonic game then yeah whatever I don't care I'm not clamoring for more Sonic by any means.

Best movie of the year. I wish I could add to Sonic. You're going to rush out and see it, Ralph, based on our... No, but I'm excited to see it on VOD in the comfort of my own home. Yeah. I bet it's great. I hope you enjoy it. Yeah, I hope I enjoy it too.

Speaking of a movie that Ralph enjoyed. Nice segue. Yeah. Meyerwood Stories? Yeah. That one? New and selected. The Walt Stories?

Aretheses? The Meyerowitz stories? Mayorowitz, I believe, is the correct pronunciation. Okay. Mayor White. Say it like that. I think then you'll get it. That sounds like Twin Peaks when they talk in reverse.

That's how that's how you're supposed to say it. Noah Bunback wrote that in the script. In the parentheses, it wasn't originally new and selected. It was supposed to say, pronounce it like you're reading it backwards. That's the original. Spoilers for the movie. Yes. It's Noah Bomback's previous movie.

Marriage Story is the one that everyone's seen now. That's the big one. But this one follows a family that's like a bit older. Danny is played by Adam Sandler, who we just talked about last week in Uncut Jems. And then there's a Ben Stiller is Matthew. And then there's Gene, who's the sister. And then Dustin Hoffman is their father Harold. and it's mainly about the dynamic between those three and then like like dealing with their childhood and how bad of a father he was and it's a pretty good movie it's a pretty good like family drama and comedy so what did you guys think i really enjoyed it yeah it's it felt like uh marriage story kind of refined this type of filmmaking in my mind i think he did hasn't proved as he got as he's gone along you know from man

ask after this to marriage story but it also has a lot of the same positives that marriage story has we have these very realistic convincing really fleshed out characters where you want you deeply understand their motivations and the kind of person they are and how they're going to act and the real hook for me with the was the drama between the siblings especially i really liked Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller's interpersonal drama they had It's quite effective to me Yeah

Yeah it's just a very authentic Realistic kind of movie Like it's easy to kind of write off Creating these scenes that are That just feel very natural And like they are just talking to each other Because it's you know There's not like a typical cinematic production

With lots of action and sweeping camera motions and stuff It is all just about characters talking to each other And making that come across as you know Convincing and realistic is it's harder than they make it look because the film's effortless in a lot of ways in terms of just the tier of the acting and the

writing and the way everything flows along. I thought it was very impressive in terms of that kind of stuff. I think in some ways it's better than marriage story. Yeah, yeah. There's a comedic element to it that I think really works in this. It's really funny movie. And Adam Sandler and Ben Starr are like traditionally comedic actors and they do play up the comedic drama,

like the more comedic aspects of the drama, I think. It's kind of laughable, like how pathetic they are. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah. Destroying the car, I thought was really funny because they, because they were like fighting. Because it was expressive in terms of their characters because they were, they were very reserved people. And it was like one of the first times they'd really done something kind of out there and edgy and against the grain. And you could tell they weren't very good at it, but they were loving it.

Yeah, exactly. What do we do this more often? No, Bombach's always like, he's always like breaking down the, the minutia, like how much of a pain of the acid is to get divorced and marriage story in that instance. But in this, it's like how hard it is to be in a hospital and how like you have to deal with all these different fucking doctors and you don't know which room your dad's in and like just how much of a pain in the acid is to deal with all this stuff. And I, he plays up the comedy of that too. I enjoyed that. Yeah, and it's not just the hospital stuff, but it's also like

framed by the, the dad character and how how many people's lives just, just one person is affected. It's become, just from him, it's this huge web of all these, like, fucked up people because of the choices he made and his resentfulness and whatnot. Yeah, he's certainly a very good writer,

and he certainly cares a lot about the characters in his films. I enjoyed marriage story a lot more. I think that as a whole, I preferred something that was more focused. I feel like this film kind of got into what it was trying to be more so in the second half. if that makes sense. It kind of shifted tones a bit, in my opinion.

Still enjoyed it. Yeah, kind of. Good movie. At what point would you say? As soon as Ben Stiller's character shows up, which is like a weirdly not, it takes a while for him to get in the story. Yeah, he's mentioned, his character has mentioned before, but I think once he truly shows up in the story, that's when, you know, the wheels start turning for me anyway.

Before that point, I think I think it was more. leaning towards the comedic aspects and although certainly there are comedic elements after that point I think I think it's more of a consistent film yeah I suppose it's just as the dramatic pieces just come into play more you know

yeah yeah once things get set up then I started really because Adam Sandler's character has a good relationship with his dad as long as Ben Stiller's character isn't around because his father likes him way more and it makes him kind of jealous And like once Ben Siller shows up, the comedy starts to die down. Adam Sandler's character becomes more reserved and like annoyed.

Yeah, I got to say, I actually really enjoyed Ben Stiller. Like I know Adam Sandler has a lot of credit for it, but he does a really good job in the movie. He's quite a tricky character to play because it's quite a complex position he's put in. And he's forced into a very extreme kind of character change and realisation and the scene where he kind of breaks down in front of those people, I thought. really effective. It makes his character a lot more likable than it showed like a great change. Yeah, I would say I enjoyed him more than Adam Sandler.

Not to say Adam Sandler did a bad job or anything, but if, I don't know, I wouldn't put this on as high of a pedestal for Adam Sandler performances as I would uncut gems or that PTA movie, Punch drug glove. Punched one. Yeah, you would say.

Those ones I felt like were much more genuine, like character performances from him. Whereas this one, I feel like he didn't stray too far away from the type of stuff he normally does in movies, but he was just in a good movie that was actually well written and cared about its characters as opposed to just some nonsense, I'm going to go on vacation and yell movie. But yeah, Ben Stiller did a, was a surprisingly good performance. And I was sold on that scene, too.

I think he did a really good job there. Very much like Bomback's other screenplays, I guess more recently, I'm going to keep comparing this to marriage story. I like that he kind of got into the introspective elements of the characters, particularly when Adam Sandler grabs the microphone and he's saying like, yeah, I'd do everything I can to avoid speaking in front of people, but here it is. and then he just has like no filter and starts talking about how like he he he might actually need to believe his dad was an artistic genius so that his life actually meant something because otherwise he was just an asshole and I love that bit of self-reflection where you can tell yeah it's something that although one could interpret it from the character otherwise I think it actually helps the film for it to be stated in that way and and

And, you know, it's, it makes sense in the context of the scene why he would say that he's kind of like struggling to think of things to say and just kind of letting loose whatever's on his mind. There was one thing about Adam Sandler, a little touch in the, in the writing I really did enjoy with him was how when you're first introduced to him, he is very understated and kind of quiet and shy. And the one time you see him exert his rage is when, because the whole first part, he's introduced, he's just trying to find a park for his car. And you see him rage in a car like so many people do where like they're not dealing

with their shit so they just scream at people in public when they're in their car instead of, you know. Yeah. And then abruptly cuts. They did use that a little too much. They cut to like someone yelling and then it cuts like a few times yeah. Yeah. I mean near the beginning of the film I thought it was something

that would be although, you know, a charming kind of like indie movie, but I was assuming it would still be something that kind of catered towards a typical Adam Sandler audience, you know, when he starts yelling, it's like, oh, they got something out of it too, but then it transforms into a better movie. A better movie. A different movie, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

He was very good at it. I don't know. He's just playing a normal guy. I enjoyed the scenes with, like, his daughter. like he just felt like a like a normal dad he wasn't like a fucking crazy cartoon character like an eight crazy nights or click or something where you just can't relate to him at all

or that trope of like the dad that's like really distant from their kid or whatever and it was nice to see a character who was like actually had a good relationship with their kids and they even acknowledge in the film like Adam Sandler and I think I forget her name but they're talking with each other

his sister about how they are almost too attached to their children and I like that that was brought up because otherwise it did seem like I don't know if I would say like oh yeah that's just a normal dad it did seem kind of weird at the beginning the like piano seeded stuff and then it's like yeah I get it she's like going away but I like that they did acknowledge it in the script by saying like oh yeah we might

unintentionally fuck them up in a negative way by being too close to them Kids aren't supposed to love their parents sort of thing And I love that there's that kind of juxtaposing dynamic In terms of like his relationship with his children Versus his relationship with his father It's that intelligent way of taking Yeah like with marriage story where they take a concept like marriage And instead of portraying it as this really black and white thing

It is much more complicated And I guess one of the themes of the movie is how parenting Like really affects your life in a lot of different ways We see it with all of the like parental characters in the movie. So it makes a lot of sense to show a bit of each side of the spectrum where you've got one really kind of distant strange father and how he's fucked people up. And then you got Sanda kind of doing the exact opposite and the results of that.

Yeah. There's also always like an artist or artists in his movies. Because marriage story, you had the, they were like theater performers and directors. And in this, Dustin Hoffman's character's a sculptor, like kind of washed up. But I guess he is. And then you have the daughter character is going to film school. And she sends like these weird art projects that make no sense. Yeah.

But he always has that. Bill Maher, like, criticized the movie for that on Joe Rogan. Like his filmography or this specific movie? Well, it's his marriage story is always always. So he's like, it's about artists. He's like, this guy, they're always making movies about, like, artists. Like, there's other people who go through these things that aren't, you know, directors or writers or actors.

I think it made sense for. the script and marriage story particularly because he had to fly back and forth between LA and New York yeah exactly that's what made the story so if you wants to write about that why like why does it matter yeah where the setting is like you write about what you know and clearly he knows about how to write this type of person so it makes sense for the stories he wants to tell he always puts it in there yeah but it fits yeah it's not distracting or annoying is there anything you didn't like about the movie I thought it was um a bit too long personally. I thought it could have been made a little bit more brisk because we were comparing

it to marriage story and I think that film might actually be longer but it feels a lot shorter and it's just more refined, more focused as you're saying. Much more focused. Yeah. Yeah. There are points where I was kind of ready for the movie to be over and they just kept, you know, going with a few added scenes and it's not like there were bad added scenes. It's just like I'm starting to feel the length a bit more now. It's a little clunky, which I kind of like, too. It's because it goes along with the thing in the movie, because it's about that family is like a very distant.

They're not communicating well. But yeah, it is a bit long. There's kind of like an indie charm to most of Noah's films. Francis Ha is the other one that I particularly enjoy. And before watching this, I went on IMDB just to see like, oh yeah, which movies from him have I seen? I thought I'd only seen a couple. Apparently, I've seen a lot of them and then just immediately forgot about them.

Regardless, the kind of, like, indieish charm sort of thing, you know, it adds personality to it. But at the same time, I'm still very impressed with just how much he's managed to transform within two years, really, from this to marriage story, which does not really feel like all that much of a, like, super low budget, kind of like, shaky. camera at certain points sort of like you know give it some extra credit for its personality and you know

marriage story felt like much more of a meticulous professional kind of film and even though the directing wasn't like outstanding or anything it wasn't like a super meticulous

movie overall it was it still felt like a pretty huge leap in terms of the production I think I think that's a really well directed movie Yeah. Way more so than this. Yeah.

Like, how slick, look, it looks great. Like, even though it's set in, like, hotel rooms and offices, it's really well directed that movie. Yeah. And I think just, like, the clunky nature of it is, I think it's intentional. I think that's what makes it work. Even with the camera movements, like, a hilarious scene was when they were running to chase after the scarf, right?

And, like, the cameras, like, it keeps stopping. And, yeah, but I love that. That's what made it hilarious. I think that was so intentional. Okay. Like the flimsy dollies here. I love that. Yeah, I really enjoyed the kind of sitcom-y moments.

Uh-huh. Because they were grounded in characters that weren't caricatures. They were quite realistic, so it makes it that much funnier and makes it more relatable because everyone's had awkward things like that happen. It's not something completely absurd. Like a lot of these kind of films can fall into being. I enjoyed most of it. There were a couple things kind of irked me about it.

I felt like the comedy didn't really land for me at certain. points, like the daughter's nonsensical art films, Pagina Man sort of thing. I thought that was like, eh, didn't really connect with me. Yeah, I didn't mind that. I did enjoy the score from Randy Newman, but I felt like it was used in a couple scenes where I didn't really want it there. And I felt like the tone of the songs was kind of like goofy.

in a way. And when those are placed over top of really, really stressful scenes in the hospital, I didn't get much out of it. I don't know if it was supposed to be some sort of like juxtaposition there, but I didn't, there were

definitely points where I was like, eh, this isn't really a funny scene sort of happening here. This is actually kind of sad. Oh yeah, when they're like chasing after the mom trying to get the information from the hospital and she'd told them not to to say anything to to adam sandler and the sister and they're like chasing after

her and it's like that that to me is like a fucking sad scene but there was this like weird like goofy piano music going over i'm like i don't know i don't know if i feel the same way that the the tone of the film is feeling about it at this moment yeah i i can get that i totally get that i have my criticisms with like the same thing you're saying should we also mention dustin hopman's a creep. I can separate it in my brain because I like the movie, but still. It's a person

where it's like impossible to watch a Hollywood film without there being a couple. Yeah, allegations. Allegations for sexual harassment. Yeah, I'm not sure what he did. What was he? Yeah, he's a creep. No.

Oh, dear. I just assume they're all rapists. Everybody in Hollywood. Yeah, it's sucks. It takes your enjoyment out of the film but there's other stuff going on and he's out he's not in an awful lot I would say he's probably the least present character or like one of the lesser ones he works for the

movie later on later on yeah yeah what was the deal with the constant referencing to like actors and directors so Tim Burton gets a reference willem defoe sigourney weaver's in it as herself yeah I was I was get that that did confuse me a little bit because it's like wait so sigourney weaver is playing has her actual self in the movie but she's interacting with like Adam Sandler who's not playing it's like a weird yeah I'm not sure how important it was to the the story yeah yeah I don't know I think he just likes the the setting that fox head in the movie was that like a reference to fantastic mr. fox I don't know if I would go that because he wrote that because he did and the style of it

it looked really similar yeah I didn't know he had writing credits on fantastic Mr. Fox. I know he's worked with him a lot, but I'm not sure if he... Really? I think he did. Wait, I'll double Chuck. Yeah, please.

Yeah, yeah, he wrote the screenplay. Really? He was himself, like, alone? Because, like, I looked... West Anderson did we did? Yeah, I figured. Maybe he helped. I think they both did.

No, Obama Back is a writer on it, definitely. Okay. Oh, that's cool. He's got to be. Yeah. He's a good writer. Yeah, the style of humor is kind of similar. Yeah.

Madagas very dry. He wrote it with Wes Anderson. Yeah, he wrote it with Sanisandis. Yeah. It's very dry. Yeah. Okay. He's like all the best parts of Wes Anderson's humor.

Right. They're both kind of similar in ways, for sure. Yeah, they have that quirkiness, don't they? I don't think I have too much more to say about this, but... Yeah, I don't either. Yeah, I don't think it has the most wide or general kind of appeal that marriage story does. I think it's a bit more, you have to kind of invest a bit more in this than you do a marriage story. But it's like a hidden gem.

It's a good little... Yeah, it's definitely worth watching. But you have to enjoy. and know that it's going to be a kind of slower, more, the good things about it are subtle, like, direction and dialogue and acting. Yeah, some people may find this one more relatable, too. Yeah, yeah, true, true. Yeah, depending on your life experiences or your relationship with your parents or whatever.

Yeah. And I know people, like, you want to watch Marriage Story? They're like, I don't want to watch that shit. It's about, like, someone get divorced. Okay, we can watch this one. This is, like, a family comedy. Yeah. It's like the similar tone, but...

I think it... There is an underlying sadness to it, though, too. Oh, yeah. But then if I call it like a family comedy, it still definitely has the, like, heavy contemplating stuff. Yeah, but it has a very... I guess they both do. They have a very, better sweet endings.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the end of the day, it all works out. Yeah, I guess so. There's hard choices to make, but yeah. Yeah, didn't, uh, didn't super connect with it at the beginning, but I love where it went. I love what the film was once it found itself and explored the story it was trying to present. And I loved the dramatic moments, a lot more than I did the comedic moments, but still, enjoyable movie overall.

I would give it 7 out of 10, I think might be on my list for 2017. I'm sure I'd enjoy it on a second watch. It's 4 out of 5. What is that? Eight out of ten. Yeah. Whatever you want. I'm not the same as you're up.

It's both. Four out of five, eight out ten, whatever you want, whatever you choose. Eight out of five. Yeah, I do think it is just a bit under marriage story. I think marriage story is a bit more refined and kind of impactful immediately than this is a bit more slow and a bit more complicated in certain ways. Mm-hmm. All right. All right.

Good job. Noah, I'm back. Thanks for the recommendation. Rilf. We'll be talking about him when Madagascar 4 comes out. Hell yeah! Now we've talked about all the good Adam Sandler movies. Except Click.

Is that all of them? Have we actually done it? Yeah. Those are the ones I like, anyway. When was the last time you saw Click? Like, five, six years ago? I've seen Click. I don't think it's very good.

From memory. Yeah. I think it was one of those low-expectation things again. Yeah, it made me cry. Well, yeah, because it was like unexpected. sad at moments. So that's the common thing that you hear from people.

It's like, oh, it was a comedy and then it was very, very sad. And then it became very sentimental, yeah. I don't know. I'd be willing to see it again. I know what I'm recommending next then. Sailor for days. No, I'm telling you right now,

I'm not recommending click. It's a waste of a recommendation. Oh, boy. Question time? Let's do it. If you'll leave your own questions for us to answer in future episodes of Sardonicast. Head over to the Sardonicast Reddit,

where there will be a suggestion thread for you to ask us whatever you like. Let's start with this one then from Albert Bertha, sorry, Alfred. Yeah, Alfred Bertha, who asks, Do you think video essays are art? And what are some of your favourites? So the thing about the definition of art,

like, there's the one side where, like, yeah, if you're creating it, like, a lot of things can be considered art. It's got a loose kind of descriptor. You can draw a dot on a wall and that's art. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, I think even in the more general sense of art, video essays definitely apply.

There's pacing, there's editing, you know, there's creative choices being made in a presentation. You could consider it a short film if you want to. You know, it is a video art form. There's audio, the sound. choices are made for specific purposes to imply a tone that the person wants to create in the video, you know, so. A video essay is supposed to be educational. So it can be kind of formative.

It can call, it can fall into like a PowerPoint presentation or something like that. But when you're like analyzing a film, we at least anyway try to be a bit more artful with it by like putting in that music and like the editing, you know, try to capture a similar tone in the review. as in the movie. I would even argue that, like, you know, text-based reviews can be art. It depends on how you present it. Roger Ebert was very poetic with how he described his opinions on films, and that's part of the reason why he was so well-known and so well-loved is because he was essentially writing poetry at the same time.

Like, he was forming his opinions in a way that had an artistic purpose, you could argue. I always talk about Crowdcat and how he like re-edits E3 press conferences to show like how much of a disaster it is. But that's art and that's commentary in itself even though he's not talking and he's not using text. He's presenting

it in a way so that you you watch it differently I guess. It's a commentary on... It's transformative creation. Yeah. Some of my favorites the Marvel Symphonic Universe by every frame of painting.

That's a pretty great one, I think. Yeah, all of his videos are very good, you know. It's a really popular one in film school. Oh, yeah, his fucking kids in class. Like, say, they literally just say the exact same things he said. Oh, yeah, in his videos. It's, yeah. Oh, Marvel movies, use tape music.

It's like, yeah, okay. You saw the video, too, huh? Fucking idiot. Yeah, all the time. Oh, whatever. Well, what are some of your favorites? It's part of the question. Crab Cat.

I think he's excellent. Great. So funny. Yeah, me too. I was in his VR video. Not as an intentional cameo, but he used a clip for one of my VR streams when he made the VR video.

I was like, hey, it's me. I got to pull up. I think he made the Cup had one. I like his Mass Effect Andromeda one a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know who's gotten really, really great over time, not to imply that they weren't good before?

Internet Historian. That video about No Man Sky was fucking dope. I think that that was a great video. That was a really great essay. And obviously, lots of comedy in the video, but it's so much more well edited than his previous works, very well researched, provides a lot of, like, perspective. Doesn't just come at it from like a very biased sort of way

in terms of like having the agenda that you want first, and then using data to support it, it seems as though his opinion was formed based on the data presented. And I thought it was really well communicated and really definitely art. It's cinematic in its presentation. Yeah, and you can't understate

how challenging it can be to make these informative videos also humorous. When people are doing it right, it does feel effortless, but it can be quite challenging to get right and not, you know, go too far. Just make your voice funny like this. Then it's funny.

You can say whatever you want and people live. It's easy. Sorry. Did you list any of your favorites though? I agree with your picks, but I'm a fan of Chris Well as well. Oh, yeah. I know he changed his channel or something. There's some good ones, but there's also, we're at such a point now where there's so many video essayists where I feel like the term has lost some of its meaning to me.

It's like 100%. It's becoming an oversaturated market. Incredibly oversaturated. Yeah. And there's some that aren't so good. Oh, yeah. And it's kind of, I think there's like cliches now. 100%.

Or like, I don't know. Sometimes I like read titles and I'm like, oh my God, like what is this? Yeah. Like the 80s VHS filter, a little bit of like lofi beats to study to in the background. And then you, the way you project your voice is like you're giving like a very calm lecture and then you just say something that isn't really even that's smarter and insightful but just because

of the presentation it's like it makes it so people are like ooh this is intelligent video I really want to parody that style so bad not naming names here but yeah there's a bunch of bullshit in that category I did it with like the happy time murders on April Thursday

yeah I remember but it's like that shit it's so bad it's like yeah these big company channels try to do it with the like explained videos with explaining endings and stuff like that. Yeah, but they're explaining endings that don't even need to be explained. Yeah, it's like... Or they just say nothing about it really.

They're just essentially describing the plot of what everybody already saw. There's some trash out there. But they have cool transition effects that look professionally produced. And that's apparently all you need. Well, some people just actually have something to say about a film. Oh, yeah. Those are the best video essays. And they have a thesis.

They have like a question they're asking of the... work that they're trying to answer. So it makes sense, you know, what you're watching. Some of them just like, they just start talking about the movie. It's like, okay, what part of the movie are you talking about? Yeah. Are you talking about the cinematography? Are you talking about like the way it's made?

Or are you talking about the story? And you don't even know because they don't even know. It's like a big mess. I would much rather see someone who's passionate about something, saying something that they've had on their mind that they want to communicate about a film or anything than seeing something that like we complain about factory produced movies but let's be honest there's a lot of that shit on youtube too where it's like you didn't create the video because you had something to say that you were passionate about you did it for clickbait you did it because you knew that the search

results people would be saying ending explained of this particular film and so you just bullshit it to get the ad revenue with like a little bit of fucking little bit of touchups here and there and in the editing a little bit of professional production there you know know you got a bit of a budget but really like well you should just have something to say there's nothing wrong covering something popular oh of course covering something popular i completely agree with you yeah a lot of these a lot of them just don't have anything to say and they're essentially just factory producing clickbait yeah it sucks when you hear one of these videos and because i like youtube as kind of a personality kind of platform for a lot is very informative in a lot of ways

but i think its strength is finding people that you kind of like to hear talk or convey some kind of message. So having these big businesses come in and kind of just formulate the perfect algorithm to make these just throwaway videos that just mean nothing, just because, you know, they're monetizable is just an unfortunate outcome of the system we have to use. Yeah. It's easy to avoid, to be fair. Like, I never see them in my feed and stuff because I never watch you. Yeah, just like movies, it's up to the consumer to decide, right? Yeah, absolutely.

Be the change you want to see. Don't click on clickbait. as tempting as it can be sometimes so it's a really bizarre one today that was like a picture of someone holding an egg that was the thumbnail and it was like click this if you want to be a sex god or some shit what the fuck does this egg have to do with any of this I just want to know purely because they know you'll be asking

yeah they come up with a clickbait title then they're like it's not enough let's just just Google like egg in hand egg in hand yeah that will confuse people will make them click on it it probably is like that

yeah I left to tweet that picture I took a screenshot I couldn't believe it yeah red circle all right next question okay

this is an interesting one from big sea baller are there any cases where you think controversy over what a comedian says is justified where a comedian says something during stand up

that is seen offensive to some Do you believe there are times where a comedian can go too far with what they try to joke about? Does Kramer yelling the N-word count? Yeah. I mean, it ruined his career, didn't it? Yeah, it did have his natural repercussions. Uh-huh. That was just stupid what he said.

Yeah. Yeah, he was, like, riled up and emotional. He's just, you could tell he lost it. He lost his temper. He snapped. It wasn't, like, a bit. Yeah, that's what it kind of pushes it when it's like. Where was the joke?

Yeah. Yeah. I can't actually think of an example of a time I've ever been offended by a joke in something I've been watching or listening to, honestly. Because a lot of the time, like, you have to understand the context of it. Like a comedian isn't going up to try and, you know, spread hate speech or do any of this. They're genuinely trying to get up to make you laugh. And to do that requires you using language in such a way that is no, matter what going to offend people, like jokes usually are at the butt of something or someone.

And that's kind of sensible. It really depends on how it's done. So I don't really know I can avoid it. If it's not funny, then that doesn't help. I feel like I am less offended by whatever Kevin Hart's joke was that he said, I forget what the, I forget what the joke even was, but something like, oh, yeah, if I had a gay son, I would disown them or some shit. Or like, oh, yeah, I would smash the dollhouse.

something like I'm less offended by that than I am of his like actual interview where he was like yeah I would never play a gay character because I don't want people to think I'm gay it's like that that was like a comedic pretty sure he said that oh yeah he was asked if he would ever play a gay character he's not on stage yeah I don't want to be yeah I want people to think I'm gay yeah he's not on stage when he's not an actor if you're not willing to play a character but at the same time Yeah, I'm not, I don't really support, like, the idea of canceling people. Yeah, because there's a difference. You're allowed to not find something funny, and you're allowed to be upset by something.

Yeah. Like, if it really bothers you that much, just never watch any of their stuff over again, you know? Like, if, if that Rick's-Jervais, like, thing really upset you from the Golden Globes or whatever it was, like, you don't have to watch the Golden Globes. Barely anyone does to begin with. Yeah. My exception to this would be, uh, I should, I should clarify. by saying that I do not support cancel culture for people's opinions or words for the most part. The exceptions that I have in terms of like cancel culture shit that actually makes me go like,

why do people support this person? Or examples like Chris Brown where he beat the shit out of his girlfriend. And it's like, come on. Like that's not like an opinion. That wasn't like an edgy thing that was said. This is like a violent asshole. Right. Yeah.

That's the thing that dictates her. isn't it is that yeah that actually is a physical like people are actually horrifically injured that's more of a judge on your character than some bad joke sticks and stones can break my bones but words never hurt me like it's it's actually true like words can hurt obviously but this isn't really not the same as being brutally beaten you know like it's a comedian stood on a stage like trying to make you laugh like have some perspective you know well you can't treat it like the the spewing like hate speech.

Yeah. I find often if I'm disagreeing with someone, even if their worldview is like completely just so far away from my own that I can't even relate to it, sometimes I just go, you know what? They're dumb and move on with my day. Like I don't understand what's so difficult about that. Yeah.

Like they're dumb. Yeah. Bye. I got things to do. Yeah, I follow a similar kind of thing where it's just like, logically, where can this go, you know? But me getting angry and upset, like, what's it going to even really achieve? Retweets.

Oh. I said Twitter in general is just another thing altogether. Oh, yeah. Who can virtue signal the loudest? I'm a moral person because I called out someone else being immoral. Yeah. It's dolein. It's dragging him through the colds.

Definitely not projection. I've never done anything immoral in my life. Sorry, Ralph did you add more to add. Do this? We're talking a bunch. No, that's pretty much it. Okay. Okay, we got this one then from Seweed underscore the Bad, who says,

Supsards, do you lads know of the Wiggles? If not, what childhood entertainment was your favorite as kids? By the way, if you didn't watch the Wiggles, you didn't have childhood. Oh, fuck off of that shit. No, the Wiggles is great. Did you guys watch the Wiggles? Yeah, I had the Wiggles, man. I was too old, I think.

I was very much into the Wiggles. I was aware of their existence. I definitely flipped through channels into four colorful men singing songs. Yeah, they were awesome. Great music, too. I'm going to listen to some after this podcast, I think. Hell yeah.

It was a good back and remind me so. When they hand you the ox cable at a party, just blast the Wiggles. Yeah. I watched Telet's hobbies, I think, too, around that same time. This is when I was really young. I think that's when I watched. Did you ever see boo bars?

No, I don't know what that is. Is that a British thing? It's horrifying. It's horrifying. And the tweenies. We've got some good ones. I'm actually shocked that the wiggles were that ubiquitous, that they made it all the way to the US too,

because I think they're Australian. Yeah. Really? Yeah, they are. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Cool.

It's a worldwide phenomenon, then. Yeah. Yeah, Barney, there was that. Yeah, of course. Pokemon was from Japan. That was my jam. Also, Nanolan represent. I'm big into Pokemon.

Hell yeah. I know you were going to bring that up, Nanoland. That shit's hilarious. 50% speed, it's hilarious. Oh, yeah. That was probably my most intelligent video essay was Nanoland. Honestly, though, SpongeBob is number one. SpongeBob and the Simpsonsons probably.

Spongebob is the best, I think, out of all those. It still holds up. Those first, like, four seasons do. Yeah, I was amazed, actually, when I, I think they added SpongeBob to Netflix, and I was like, this can't be as good as I remember it being. And I just went through an episode and said, God, how is this so funny? It's so silly and, like, perfect. Yeah, I didn't start watching this one of all the Lepenzob until I was, like, a bit older

than the target demographic, but I still enjoyed it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's what made it so prolific, hey. A lot of Nickelodeon stuff at that time. And I think Disney was just doing sitcoms, like, around that same time. Like, did you watch The Sweet Life of Zach and Cody? Hannah Montana. I never liked those.

Yeah, I avoided the Disney Channel at all costs. So did I. And then, like, Nickelodeon started doing sitcoms, and they had Drake and Josh and I Carly and, like, all that stuff. Oh, yeah. Dan Schneider's empire of sitcoms. Yeah. Which I wasn't a fan of.

Someone was like, Adam, did you know that Gibby from I Carly watches your videos? I'm like, who's that? because they didn't I never want to the show yeah yeah he watched mine too yeah yeah he likes video essays because they're art yeah exactly there you go the proofs in the pudding everybody I find it interesting that you mentioned the Simpsons Alex because that's not really well the question is somewhat vague like when does your childhood end what year officially does your childhood begin and end you know because the question was you're like favorite as kids are you a kid when you're 12 because I was watching The Simpsons when I was 12.

Mm-hmm. And, like, Futurama and that stuff. Like, I always tended to veer towards the more edgy stuff. Like, when I was, like, 12, I loved South Park and stuff like that. Yeah. I started watching a family guy around then. Yeah. Yeah.

I remember always wanting to have the thing, like, I wasn't allowed, because when you're a little kid, you're, like, forced to the kid channels. And it's like, you know that South Park is on somewhere and you want to know what that's all about. It was adult swim that introduced me to all that stuff. An Aqua Team Hunger Force, is that it? I didn't watch much of that. all that robot chicken

oh yeah yeah I forgot about robot chicken yeah I was into all that stuff too Is it still going by the way I feel like I ask myself that question every couple years It might be It's like nobody talks about it anymore Yeah I went on the on its I and DB And saw how many seasons it had

And I was like whoa That that's crazy There's a bunch of clips on YouTube I think it's still going Yeah Simpsons was 10 seasons My gym for sure I still love the Simpsons Seasons one through

FutureROM is great I don't know 10 maybe 12 I'm I'm like figuring out where it gets unwatchable pretty much yeah that's what I want to know like bad or unwatchable unwatchable because it's still watchable

until like 15 I would say like 15 is when it starts like it depends on your threshold yeah yeah exactly I guess it does yeah there's some there's some season 10 stuff that isn't bad like there's some parts that are kind of like leaning towards like eh that wasn't that well written but you know it's

not complete misses like it is now. It's not like every episode's shit. So yeah, I'll see where it starts getting awful. Yeah, but you're curious to know though. I've never gone back because I just don't know. Because The Simpsons in my memory is just this one vague amalgamation of every season. Because it's just been going so long. So I can't pinpoint what was where.

Watch seasons one through four again. They're so good. They're so, so good. Really, even like season one is holds up. Season one more for like kind of an endearing context to it because like I think I think the first season works better When you're an adult just because there's a you know there's obvious heart to it It it was more focused in terms of what it wanted to be of this sort of like family cartoon thing like Homer Had a conscience and like you know

There were actual dramatic moments to it and there were you know heartwarming elements to it as soon as season two happens though I think two through four like the most hilarious fucking thing ever. If anybody's watching this podcast and you've never seen The Simpsons or you've only seen recent Simpsons and just think it's shit, honestly, two through four, so good. Very, very, very, very funny.

Very well written. It was really sharp once upon a time. Oh, man. Like I saw a clip the other day, I was like, whoa, that was really funny. I can't believe like I'd forgotten about how funny. When it had good writers.

It used to be. And then everybody jumped ship and started working on other things. The animation was even better. at a certain point. We're creative. Yeah, now it's just factory. They're usually used more than like one angle.

Oh man, have you seen those comparison? There's like, I think it was on Twitter or something. You could probably find it somewhere else, but like they compared the amount of frames used when Marge is like at the checkout in the intro, the intro that they had been using forever. And then the new updated one where it's like, it just looks like family guy bullshit animation. And it's literally like three frames compared to like 27 of movement. And it's so lazy in comparison. Holy crap.

It's insane. Things just get worse, man. It's like, why did you even change it? It's like, oh, it looks more modern now. Yeah, it was better the way it was before. Yeah, of course. Yeah, if it ain't broke, the old, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Because if you do, it's going to look like the new Simpsons.

Yeah, that's how the saying goes. Okay, we got this one from Coalup Church dash YouTube who has a question I can't believe I haven't actually asked yet because it's one of the most popular things to ask on like podcast. But do you guys have any ghost stories? No. Ghosts are not real. Adam? I've watched ghost films. Does that count?

No. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's always, I think every human being has some sort of like weird lingering memory or unexplained event or whatever. And, you know, there's a part of someone's mind that kind of wants to believe that there's something supernatural going on. It's a bit superfluous to add in this supernatural element when it doesn't necessarily need to be there to explain something. Like the easiest explanation for something that's unexplainable would be that the human mind is not. reliable. Witness testimony is not reliable. People don't know what they've seen five fucking seconds ago. You know why illusions work? You can go right now on the fucking computer and be like, ooh, illusions for my brain.

And, you know, you stare at something long enough and then things become warpy or you don't notice something or like those weird Photoshop pictures where they combine the, where it was just a bunch of like celebrities' faces going one after the other. And then your brain thinks that it's like all warped and weird. The reason why those works, those work is because, Our brain's way of processing information is literally just an evolutionary... It's very biased. It works for us surviving in our environment, and it was not made to be objective, right? Our brains are faulty. So if you don't have to add a supernatural explanation, why would you? It's just superfluous. Yeah, because once you understand, like, when you...

Of course, going out into the woods at night is horrifying and scary, because your body puts itself on edge because we're not built to, you know, explore without our eyesight. So everything else is heightened. So you're on edge and you focus on sounds and things and you freak yourself out. It's like all evolutionary in that sense.

Oh yeah, of course. 100%. Like when you want to make a character in a film scary, you give them like beady eyes and sharp teeth. Like that triggers something in our evolution where it's like, oh, that's basically what a lot of predators look like. in the real world. Yeah.

It's like predator animals that we would have been had to have been scared of. So. Yeah. We find forced smiles quite scary too. I've noticed like a lot of

those creepy pasta things love doing that thing where they have like a dog smiling or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, like an unnatural. So you've never experienced anything anything remotely

that fits under the category of ghosts. No, and I've been to like haunted places before. like Gettysburg and the Queen Mary's apparently it's got ghosts in it I did the ghost tour like at night there was nothing I didn't see anything if you want to believe it you will I think it's marketing yeah if you want to believe it sure yeah it is also kind of marketing I went to there was like a haunted old Victorian hotel in San Francisco that my friends wanted to go to just around their wedding or whatever and we you know spent the night there and told some ghost stories and whatever and it seemed like

so many of the rooms in that fucking place just had like flickery lights I would do shit every like 20 minutes or so. It'd be like ooh the light flickered and it's like well if part of the selling point is that it's like a haunted hotel it's like why wouldn't you do that? Yeah.

And also a flickering light doesn't mean anything even if it was unintentional. Because I've heard stories like oh I was I left my hotel room and then I came back and the window was open. I'm like oh they probably did that yeah the main just trolling people People. The main part of it was like an animatronic, like, there's like an electronic thing that opens your window automatically.

Yeah, maybe. Or maybe you just forgot you opened your window. Maybe you're dumb. That too. Which is, yeah, that's probably the most likely explanation. But they never consider that. It's a ghost. Maybe they have a carbon monoxide leak.

People are going crazy. Yeah, I recently actually went to somewhere that is considered haunted. Not like famously so. like you'd have to research it and know about it to even know that this place existed. But it was this like really out of the way pub. And I took my dogs for a walk around the local area and found this weird like tower, which I later found out is supposed to be like a haunted tower because some girl in the 15th or 16th century was hung there or something. Sally in the woods.

So I think the story is it's like a, it does get your imagination going because it's It's just a creepy, like, area in the middle of nowhere and this weird old tower that's hundreds of years old. Yeah. It's still cool to see for, like, the history of it. Yeah, I find the history of it the most interesting part how these, these, like, stories, these myths and legends are kind of passed down. That's what makes it interesting to me. So it's like, oh, what is this? It's so funny because we invent our own rules for these sorts of things and they just come from fucking nowhere, you know, just like folklore or whatever.

It's like, I don't know, if things really operated on the rules. of the grudge where if somebody dies somewhere in a way that's kind of bad, then the place is haunted from that moment on? It's like, I don't know, that would be like every square inch of the fucking planet over time, honestly. There would be ghosts everywhere. Also, at what point in our evolutionary process would we even start becoming ghosts? Because people aren't making the argument that, like, monkeys or chimpanzees or anything else

are cousins or whatever, evolutionary cousins. No one's arguing that those become ghosts or that. other animals become ghosts. Maybe there are some people that argue that. So it's like, I don't know, if you believe in evolution that we were not necessarily human beings or what we would consider to be human beings for all of eternity, you know, at what point did we start becoming ghosts when we die? Was there a moment?

Was there a moment where I was like, oh, I'm a human now. Now I'm a ghost when I die. Yeah. It's a primal fear that humans have had since the beginning. where we don't know where we come from or more importantly what happens once we die i think we've talked about that before so of course that's like an inherently scary concept that we've attached ourselves to of like what if what if you come back as like a if you if you do something wrong and you're trapped in a form because you were murdered in this way it's it's storytelling isn't you're

invisible in your house you could turn on the tv it also comes from you know the way our brains are wired in terms of like our emotional bonds to other people when somebody dies in the they're no longer in your life. Like you, it's difficult for your brain to process that, whether you believe in like an afterlife or whatever. Like it seems a lot of these things are essentially just explaining a way like, oh,

well, you still exist after your own death sort of thing, whether it's ghosts or religion or whatever. You know, it's a difficult thing for people to process. And so people create these stories and, you know, sometimes people want to believe these sorts of things.

Yeah. You know, to believe that someone is still there. By the way, great movie, a ghost story. I don't know if you guys saw that or not. David Lowry? Yeah, I've been meaning to get around to that one. Yeah, I really enjoyed that one.

It's kind of about that. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was okay. The blanket, I wasn't digging that. Okay. And it wears like a sheet, the whole movie. I thought it was really creative. Yeah.

Not the blanket in particular, but the movie overall. Yeah, like the movie itself. Yeah, it has some good elements, definitely. It's not like, I don't know. It's not like Austin Powers 3 or something. it's a good movie with Beyonce yeah

I don't know why I brought up that example I was trying to bring up like a bad movie yeah whatever but I guess book of Henry yeah that's a good one do one more or no

yeah it's do one more let's do this one then from round one 55 what do the boys think of people dismissing or disliking films due to quote unquote problematic

characters. We saw it with Joker, people dismissing the film due to the character's actions, and I've met people who won't watch a Clockwork Orange simply because the main character is a violent rapist. Another good example is Tarantino's films where he makes violent characters sympathetic and likable. That's fine if it's not your cup of tea. Like, because some people just don't want to watch that. Like, oh, that's gross. There has to be an understanding that it's not like, it's not just gratuitous. A lot of these movies like Clockwork Orange, just the reason it's renown by like everyone is because it presents that in a way that's critical it's like critical of that behavior it's not indulging in it and glorifying it and there's other movies that don't like

serbian film or something like that some people do misinterpret i think that very thing um some of scorsese's movies that happens i think where yep like the wolf of wall street like the point of the movie is what a lot of people criticized it for being where it's just excessive and over the top and just if you actually pay attention to it. It's like that's their lives. That's how they lived. The main character and under the Silver Lake even

also another example. Uh-huh. Yep. Who's like supposed to be a metaphor for like a lot of guys who go into Hollywood like a lot of creeps and like degenerates like how those writers are like glorifying women like sexualizing women I mean.

Yeah, it's disgusting. That's the point. The movie's not like, look at this great character. Look at you should be like him. It's just it's ridiculous like that a filmmakers or like a movie's point of view and perspective Because of the main character gets conflated with the director's point of view and how they see the world Like exactly Yeah like just because this main character is a creep that means the directors are creep or the writers a creep

Yeah And they're not just like highlighting something about society or themselves that they don't like It's very weird it depends how much credit you give the director depends on the kind of story Sometimes you can watch a movie and basically, you know, I guess interpret the director's political opinions or philosophical perspectives based on what the movie is. Like Oliver Stone, it's like very transparent with like Snowden. He's like very critical of the U.S. government. Like it's very clear he's like that. You know, that's why he made the movie.

Yeah, it really depends. Yeah. Even if a terrible character is being glorified. Well, that's the point of it being a work of fiction, you know? It's a fantasy. I don't know. Don't try to control what types of thoughts people can have or what types of ideas people can communicate.

Tarantino's violence is very, like, silly. There's that famous interview with him where he's talking to that woman on television. He goes, violence is so much fun. Like his cartoonish violence. Are you saying that you should take kids to see this movie? Yeah, if the parents are cool. Oh! But like that kind of conversation is so toxic, it's stupid.

Yeah. It's not the same kind of violence as come and see where that's like fucked up and realistic. It's not that same kind of thing. Yeah. His movies are fun. Like watching people get shot or especially if they're like supposed to be villainous, like Nazis or the KKK and Django or like something like that. It's a lot of fun to see them get blown up and throw off horses.

Yeah. It's really entertaining. Yeah, I think. sometimes people resort to those arguments to try and justify something that they already feel about a film where it's like, well, a lot of this crowd, Joker just wouldn't be for them anyway. And so they criticize that element because of that. And then those exact same people wouldn't criticize something like Birds of Prey because it's supposed to be this like feminist girl power movie, which I didn't even know going into it. But it's like, yeah, well, she's also a crazy asshole that's supposed to be a villain, right? Like, why isn't that conversation happening with this film from these exact same? people. Yeah. I think it's just people are making criticisms toward the movie. I don't think they want to start a big thing about it. But with Tarantino's

movies, like, it just stirs, it stirs up a whole conversation, I guess. It is strange, though, it is his movies, because, like, they are so ridiculous. It is hard to take an argument that it's kind of inciting violence very seriously. Like, look at some of the stuff in Kill Bill

or any number of his movies. Yeah. This movie is silly. You know, because like, what about like, writings in a, like, or characters in books? And, like, we've been telling stories for a long time. Like, we have to be able to remove the, the character's actions and stuff like that from.

Yeah. The Bible's a pretty fucking big one. There's some questionable morals in that's, in that story. I think that, I think this God character might be a bad guy. It's fucking murderer, man. Yeah, it's easy to be reductive, I suppose. Yeah, it's energy. It's easy to be like yeah.

Yeah. It's not like a life advice film. It's not like a video essay on how you should live your life. It's a character study. Characters should be things that you are not so that you can be interested by the movie. Yeah. If they're like, I don't like that movie because the main characters mean or the main character's bad. Like if they don't want to watch a movie because of that, I don't think that's a bad thing.

It's a fine criticism I have. Yeah. It becomes a different conversation when, uh, It's treated as though it's some sort of bad thing for society, I guess, that shouldn't exist. Yeah. As if it's like polluting the environment with toxic messaging or something. Yeah, not just, I don't want to watch it.

It's like, that's not what it's doing. It's just, yeah, it's just a piece of art you don't like, which is fun. All the news was covering Joker as if it was going to cause, like, all this violence and whatnot. Yeah, it's just ridiculous. I think part of that is talking about it. Like paranoia over like the aurora. shooting with the Dark Night Rises. And I think I mentioned on the podcast before,

like the guy actually wasn't even trying to be Joker. It was just completely coincidental that it was the Dark Night Rises and he had died here. He was going to a popular movie. Perpetuate fear, yeah. Yeah. That's the news. Yeah.

Be scared. No one leaves their house anymore. You won't catch the coronavirus. I'm like walking my dog. And no one, yeah. No one wants to leave their house because it's like, it's scary out there. There's the coronavirus is all these.

like shootings, it's cold. It's very sad. Fire, yeah. Yeah, everything's on fire. You can't talk about anything. Otherwise, there's like a, you get a backlash. Yeah. I don't leave my house because if I step outside, then I'm going to get canceled.

Yeah, you're going to get recorded doing something on some security camera. Yeah. Hashtag canceled. He crossed a red light. Whatever. I j-walk. Whatever they catch you doing. Yeah, he j-wok.

canceling. He broke the law. All right. That was great. There we go. I believe it is your turn to recommend a film, Alex. It's back to me, is it? I think so.

So this movie might be a strange one, but I've been really wanting to rewatch it for some reason. I've seen it in a very, very long time. That being 1939's, the Wizard of Oz. Awesome. I really want to talk about this movie. Cool. Because it's very, very important, very famous.

Of course, everyone knows the story. But I feel like, well, I haven't watched it as an adult, so I want to know what the film is like. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Great pick. Let's do it. Let's watch the Wizard of Oz.

When was the last time? Like, have you guys seen? Yeah, I saw a few years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it must have been a long time for me. I don't know.

Yeah. I'd like to update my thoughts on that one. Awesome. All right. Well, if you don't want to be spoiled for the Wizard of Oz, 1930 something uh watch it before the next episode

we will be having a spoiler discussion if you want to support the show $2 a month Sardonicast.com sign up for premium you'll get these episodes early also patreon.com slash sardonicast all right should we watch the sequel with James Franco oh yeah

I forgot about that I've actually seen that well there's another one too it's like a Sam Ramee isn't it? Oh yeah Sam Ramey The Sam Ramey one Yeah I probably not I remember not really liking that bit

We'll watch the 1939 one All right Maybe I'll check out those others Yeah If you can watch as many Oz movies As you want And you can report back And let us know how they are

Sure All right Gotta go fast That's that All right Bye everyone Bye everybody Thanks for listening

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