Sardonicast - Sardonicast #56: The Invisible Man, Upstream Color (feat. Amanda The Jedi)

Episode Date: March 23, 2020

The crew discusses The Invisible Man, Upstream Color, and more with their special guest Amanda The Jedi.

Three, two, one. A man has fallen into the river in Sardonicast City. Start the Rescue podcast. Hey! That's a meme, I guess. I don't know why. I don't know why that's a meme now. No, I don't know that one.

This is Sardinicast. I'm Adam from your movie sex. I'm Ralph. I'm Mujitur. And I'm Alex from Ritechee. And we got a special guest today. Who is our special guest? I completely forgot.

It's Amanda the Jedi. Oh! Holy crap. That's such a cool name, right? I'm so surprised. I want to hear the lightsaber sound effect when you say it. That was going to be one of my first questions to you is why Jedi? I've actually just been using this name since I was like 14 for various social media.

Oh yeah. That happens. I like Jedi as a concept more than I currently like Star Wars. Mostly it just kind of makes me want to put my head through a wall every time something new happens. But, you know, there's enough out there that I enjoy. It's cool. I'm happy with this. It's fun.

So I know you through, I guess, just from, like, Twitter and YouTube. And we've been to a couple film fest together. Yeah. Tiff and Sundance. Are those the only two? Or have you been to? I don't remember. Yeah, that's the only two so far.

Yeah. Tiff was the first one. Yeah. And how would you describe your channel? Is it kind of like, like, obviously there's movie discussion. Yeah. I would say it's just like overall like pop culture commentary style channel. So sometimes I'll do like serious looks or at least more serious looks into certain movies. Sometimes I just like looking at fun

angles with certain stories. And then other times I'll just find like funny things. Like right now I'm going through the 50 Shades movies by popular demand. So just yeah. Yeah exactly. Exactly. It's what the people want. So it's fine. I haven't actually checked out your Twitch. But do you do you consider yourself more of a like a YouTuber or a streamer? Uh, I've always kind of consider myself both pretty evenly. I stream almost daily lately. I would say I'm just, I'm more happy with YouTube content, but I still really like streaming. And obviously the better one is doing, it kind of drives traffic to the other. So right now I'm getting a lot of people on my Twitch channel that are coming from YouTube. So I can just have a lot of like fun discussions about movies and just current topics and stuff,

which is always really fun. So I would say that if somebody has, held a gun to my head right now I'd probably pick YouTube even though I do think I make more money on Twitch right now but you know I like YouTube a lot. How many how many viewers do you get usually for like a stream on Twitch? It depends what I'm doing lately. Just chatting gets more views and I can get like anywhere from it's not too many but like 50 to 70 and then sometimes if I play games it'll stay up there but sometimes it like dips down to like 30. Yeah it really depends on either the game or the type of stream. Yeah and like what people are in the mood for sometimes.

People are like, I just want your complete undivided attention talking to us, even though I'm still really chatty when I play games. But some people the second the game comes on, they're just like, no, I'm gone. Notice me. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. It helps.

I find streaming a very stressful idea. Oh, yeah. I've dabbled in it before, but I can never, yeah, I have this thing about being locked down into, because that's how you have to be successful, right? You've got to have, like, dates every week that you stream on. Yeah. And a lot of time to sit there and, you know, do all that. Yeah. Honestly, though, like back in the day, because I started with YouTube when I kind of came back to making content and it was kind of, you know, I got decent traction, but it was when I started streaming more that it pushed more people to my YouTube. So like on that standpoint, obviously now like streaming is super saturated, but I just know a few people that are really overwhelmed by it and like they could make so much money if they just did it, but they just can't. It's just too much for them to commit to, I guess. It's way harder than it looks. It is. Yeah. It's easy to like reduce it.

into its most basic thing, but try it. It's so much harder than it looks, especially if you're by yourself and you've got no one to bounce off. It's really hard. Yeah. I don't know. I've been kind of doing it just as a way to, I guess, change the context and environment that I would be working in any way.

So the vast majority of my streams are like editing streams, and I'm just editing videos for the YouTube channel. And this way it's like, okay, well, I can motivate myself a bit more and kind of like hang out with people at the same time sort of thing. That's mostly what I'm doing. Yeah, I know a lot of people who do that for sure. I like getting work done in that way. It's more enjoyable.

It's smart. It's comfortable. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea, actually. Drink at home on the job. OSHA. Absolutely, always. Oh yeah.

You're also Canadian from a place that no one has heard of called New Brunswick. Exactly. New Brunswick, no Fonswick. It's horrible. I never heard that one. That's great. We got like one confirmed case of the coronavirus here and like everybody was like, oh my God, it was in a city two hours away. We need to get everything in the stores right now.

And I'm like, just calm down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the panicking thing is a little interesting. That's what scared me. Not to say that I'm not guilty of it, but I did mine back when nobody else was doing it because I'm a crazy. Like a responsible adult. Yeah.

Now people are selling toilet paper on the street. That's crazy. They're cutting down on that. Yeah, they're cutting down on that. Well, they're trying to. It's hand sanitizer. Yeah, the guy that had like 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer, I'm pretty sure they took it off from them. They started distributing it to like churches and donation boxes and stuff.

They cut down on reselling, but that doesn't stop people from hoarding at the same time. Of course. Unless the individual businesses are going to put a limit on the amount of things you can buy as one customer, which I think would be the best idea if they're trying to start. They've started doing that here. Yeah. Sorry for everyone listening to this podcast who wants to escape the coronavirus news on their timeline. You come on. Yeah.

It's fucking everywhere now. So, sorry. It's a part of the conversation. For weeks. Yep. Movies are being postponed. Mulan's not even going to try right now. I think a quiet place, too, is moving.

James Bond got pushed back. I was really one of the first one. Everything except Black Widow. Like, Black Widow is the only one that's holding out. far as I know. Like, I haven't heard anything. Like, Disney postponed every other movie on their slate and except that. Even Mulan?

I didn't hear about that. Yeah, Mulan. Milan, even new mutants. Yeah, the mutants. Oh, my God. They're not going to make any money if they release Lulon right now. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

But, like, they delete new mutants of all things. But I don't know if they're just hoping it gets better. And then Black Widow can just kind of like take everything because it's the only thing available. Or if they'll wait very last minute to just be like, we're delaying it. We just need to move everything to streaming. And then we'll be fine. At some point, these movies have been delayed so many times. Or just like day one day.

It's been delayed for like three years. Yeah. Test it out. James Bond was supposed to come out last November, I think. If everyone's at home and the movie tickets costs like $15, 20 bucks in theaters anyway, if you wanted to like own a copy on digital for that amount, I don't know. It could still probably be profitable. The problem is, is they want to sell it in theaters and then sell it again on digital.

They want to sell it twice. Yeah, absolutely. Right? That's why they're not doing it. It's very yeah It's very smart to do that I mean they're just gonna dump it on Netflix or something They did that with Michael Bay's movie

The Sixth Underground It's like they spent 150 million dollars on it And it's just like you just watch it on your phone It's crazy On your fucking telephone You have to really send a theaters first Yeah Yeah as David Lynch would say

Yeah Get real So far there's no news of them Delaying a spiral From the Book of Saw So I'll be seeing that with a We gotta support it

An N95 mask and swim goggles in May, I guess. I don't know what's happening in each of your guys' individual areas, but I keep getting all these emails from local businesses talking about how they're dealing with coronavirus. And one of the interesting ones was from Van City Theater who said that they're meticulously cleaning down every surface, especially things that people are touching. But they are also reducing the maximum capacity

of the theaters so that it's only 50% capacity at any time, which sounds like a decent idea, I guess, but we just don't really know too much about everything yet. Yeah, I think a lot of places are doing that, but I don't, Cineplex isn't. Like the overall, like, big movie chain in Canada is just kind of like, we're cleaning real good. Yeah.

And that's it. And, like, a bunch of other theaters are just flat out closing down for, like, upwards to a month, like the Bell Lightbox in Toronto. You know, shutting down for a month clean. It's crazy. I got an email about that one for sure, too. People were cleaning their seats in a theater when I went.

Yeah. Like with a moist towel. Yeah, airplane etiquette with the most towelettes. Yeah. It's not the worst idea to, I guess, be, you know, somewhat. You know, you just have to get rid of the social stigma and be like, you know what, I don't care if I look like a crazy person or a jackass. I'm being a little bit safer than other people.

Yeah. And you just have to push those feelings down of embarrassment of like this social pressure to just pretend everything's fine. Yeah. Because like movie theaters are kind of rough because you're in there for at least an hour and a half. And it just takes one person being a little bit sick to just spread it to everybody who's in that theater. Yeah. Yeah, it can happen. Circulated air.

Yeah. We'll see. Stay at home. Just watch YouTube. Yeah. Watch our YouTube videos. That's good. That's the message.

Yeah. I haven't gone to a cinema for weeks for that very reason. I know what the British public are like. That's why the news keeps pushing that. Because they want you to stay home. They want you to watch TV. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

It feels like really bad timing, especially with the American election coming up. It really is. When would have been a good time, I don't know. Yeah, exactly. When's a good time for us? pandemic. Hmm.

I hit a million subscribers during a pandemic. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Congrats. How's a few? That's awesome. As much as it is an arbitrary number, I do feel some sense of like accomplishment and pride.

It's been like 10 years. Yeah, you should. Yeah, 10 fucking years. Yeah, it's like validation. And it's like you get a plaque that says like, I'm good at what I do, one million people's worth. I'm not going to order the plaque. just yet in case the coronavirus affects the postal office and I don't want it to get like lost in the

mail so I think I'll wait yeah because you'll never get another one yeah exactly you can only order it it costs like 500 to get a new one yeah oh shit really they charge you 500 bucks you can you can order as many as you want but the gold ones are like 500 dollars and then the silver play buttons I think are like 300 it's free the first time the first time you order it they just send it to you but if you lose it or if you want another one they charge you 500 bucks what about if you want one of the new style ones because mine are like the old style I don't know about that actually I feel like maybe they'd upgrade you for free

but I'm not sure I just know that there's a guy who does a bunch of stuff getting all these different plaques so he yeah all right like Jack sucks the life I think so he just orders new ones you could just do a printout you could just have a picture of it and frame the printout and then it's fine just say take a picture of it for me I wonder like they can't possibly cost $500 to produce I don't know

I guess they're all, like, kind of engraved. They're all, like, kind of custom things, but it's not made a real gold or anything, right? Maybe it is. I don't know. That would be interesting. I think that would be worth more than 500, but... Or 14-carat. Melting it down in the apocalypse.

I knew you'd come in handy. Yeah. I made bullets out of it for the corona. Yeah. We'll see how things go. Everybody stay safe. At least the benefit of this podcast is we don't have to be in the same room to record it. It's true.

You can do this long distance. We'll be the only podcast left. Because YouTube is time to shine. Yeah. You can do it from like a bomb shelter. It'll be fine. What if this is the way new media takes over? Yeah, I was thinking about that.

It's like, yeah. If like Hollywood is just so much money because of this that Netflix takes over and everything, they already have. Green screen acting. If the virus just never leaves. and no one can go outside ever again then we'll stay home watching YouTube and Twitch streaming Yeah, that'd be awesome Apparently Steamhead it's like record-breaking

concurrent player is it like 20 million or something Yesterday Everybody's at home playing video games Yeah Are you getting that Half-Life game? Hell yeah The VR one yeah It looks really good but I don't have a headset

So hyped Yeah that's pretty cool It takes a lot to set up but I'll play it Oh you have which VR setup do you have? I have the Vive. Nice. The OG Vive? Yeah.

The OG Vive. The original one, yeah. Sounds like a sex toy, if I'm being honest. Oh, yeah, the OG Viverator. The OG Vive. They still have cables everywhere in all this. Yeah, it does. There's a bit of a mess to set up.

Yeah, it is. There's wires everywhere. You get all tangled up in them. But, like, you can work around it. I got the Vive Pro guys, and it's also... Yeah, the wireless one. Yeah. So there's a wireless attachment.

and I believe there's a wireless attachment you can actually put on the OG Vive too. There is. It costs more money. I had to basically get a new computer for the wireless thing to work just because it wasn't compatible with my motherboard or something.

Oh, wow. But, you know, I just used it as an excuse to upgrade and then gave my parents my old PC. You don't actually need cables, but the downside to the wireless one is like the batteries only last like a couple hours, so I just have like three batteries that I cycle. So I think it lasts like three or four hours maybe.

And then I just swap them out and have them charging. You reckon it was worth the investment then? Yeah. I mean, like for my own entertainment and the fact that, you know, it's part of my channel, like my gaming channel thing. Yeah, yeah. It helps for streams and stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's an investment.

I think I saw what the Shrek video you did. Oh, yeah. The beat saber thing, yeah. Yeah, that was a challenge. Yeah, your arms must have been painful. Yeah, I've used it in videos before. I used a little bit of it. What's that game?

It's where you can, like, set up a simulation in outer space or whatever. Oh, I don't know. It's something like that. And I used that for Nicholas Cageathon. Oh, yeah. For, like, the opening. It was like a Zoom in on Earth or whatever. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I've used it before. So you don't have any VR stuff, right, Amanda? I have the PSVR, which is not ideal. But I like it. Like, I do like it. I wish I had gone with the Oculus Rift, though. It just, it went on Super Sale at one point for like $100 with two games.

And I was like, I want to play Beat Saber. And then I realized that all the really cool Beat Saper stuff is through PC. Yeah. Because you can't do any custom stuff. No, no custom stuff through the PlayStation. But they did release a Green Day pack, so having fun. You're so it then. They also released an Imagine Dragons pack.

Oh my God, I didn't know that one. Oh, uh, Radioactive. Radioactive. I'd say Imagine Dragons is among my least favorite bands, honestly. Yeah, what you'd love them. They're like the new Nickelback to me. Kind of, yeah, for sure. Or it's just like really overproduced, formulated, no soul.

They don't give a shit about what they're singing about. Yeah, at least like Nickelback when they're like rock band, that doesn't bother me so much. when it's like, imagine dragons, top-selling rock band of 2019. I'm like, okay. Yeah, that word has lost all meaning. It has, yeah. And now we're boomers. So we got to watch out for the coronavirus.

We do. I guess to change topics, three of us saw the Invisible Man. Alex did not. Yeah, I missed out on this one, but it's sort of upgrade, so I'm curious to hear how it kind of compares to that. Are you, like, hyped for the Invisible Man? Oh, I'm just losing it in anticipation. We won't spoil anything

I didn't go and see it so I mean that kind of says I'll give it a chance when it comes out Did you see the trailer for the Invisible Man No I don't watch trailers anymore I just go into every film blind It's my favorite wave consuming The Invisible movie

All right so Ralph you had some things You wanted to say about it What are your thoughts? Oh I did You were the one that suggested the topic Well yeah because we all saw it It's like the big movie Because I saw the mummy

Which was like Universal's previous effort to make a horror franchise marketable again and that was bad and this was like their new attempt at it What? Yeah, totally What, is it? This is like a universe movie? It's not part of the dark universe or anything But they knew that wasn't working

So they're like, okay, let's take the old man And let's do something Let's make it a horror movie Let's make it like a medium budget horror movie I just assumed it was Lee Winell's little like project though No, it looked like it had a really big budget Especially there's like some action sequences in this that are kind of impressive.

But overall, I thought it was stupid. Oh, yeah. It was incredibly stupid. I had a great time watching it personally. Yeah. I thought Elizabeth Moss was really good. I've been watching Mad Men a lot recently. Like, I just started engaging it.

How much do you think the budget was? It was low, I thought. 20 million? I thought it was like maybe 10. I thought it was really low. Isn't it like technically budgeted through a Blumhouse? It's 9 million. 9 million, okay, I thought it was under 10, yeah.

I knew it was more than Fantasy Island, but... What Lee Wynel did with Upgrade when he made that, I think the budget for that might have been lower. What he did was he filmed it on Australia or something. It was just like, yeah, it's cheaper to film here, did that, and it went up looking like it had so much more of a budget. I do agree, it looks like it has more of a budget than 9 million. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess there are other articles here comparing it to a dark universe, the mummy. I just didn't make that connection at all. That's very interesting. Because Universal backed this and they gave them the license to use that character. They gave Blumhouse. Yeah, they gave it to Blumhouse. Yeah, it's very interesting. And this is way better than The Mummy or like anything they were trying to do with that, which was like an action movie. They were trying to make it like the Avengers. It's so stupid. Very weird. And then they released that trailer where the sound was off.

Yeah, that was hilarious. And just Tom Cruise yelling, it was so funny. It was awful. It was like the first introduction we got to the movie. Apparently, like, Tom Cruise was, like, very involved in all that, too. He was like, this is going to be great. Yeah, that's what made it bad. At the end, he's the mummy. Spoiler.

He's the mummy. He has, like, bandages around his knuckles. I thought he was the daddy. So what do you know about the actual Invisible Man character? Because when I saw the trailers for this, like, I had no idea it had anything to do with this whole dark universe thing, right? Whether or not it's actually attached to the mummy or they're just doing their own thing. But you're saying it's a licensed character, right? So, like, how true is the licensed character?

Because all I'm thinking is like, what, the Hollow Man is the same thing, that movie, but it's not like a licensed character in that one. Is it? Like, they didn't have to get a license to make Hollow Man. Like, how is this different? No. But I guess it's called The Invisible Man. Yeah.

I guess that's owned by that. Just the title alone is what the license was for. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's ridiculous. like those old classic like the HGOL stories basically yeah so you need the license for that does because of the title though no yeah I think so maybe I guess maybe some people but I think it had a recognition yeah that makes it yeah okay I guess I've been living under a rock

yeah I know the invisible man I'm not familiar with the invisible man like I've heard of that character before obviously this is a different story to it obviously like it has its own take but this is like a reimagining I think the fact that it isn't a direct connection is why they took a risk on it. Like if it was the bride of Frankenstein, they would have put more money into it and had more control over it. But they were like, oh, the Invisible Man, we can kind of just make it a modern day stalker movie instead.

Yeah. And it works as that. I said this in my review, but it really felt like gaslighting the movie. That was like the majority of what was going on was just gaslighting and making her feel like she was crazy. I felt it got very repetitive. And I really, really enjoyed the first half of the movie. I thought that it had like a very, very.

like mature kind of like artful presentation and without spoiling anything you know there's that wide shot of the kitchen with like the knife and the stove and stuff and like almost kind of like call back to paranormal activity but it looked nicer it wasn't like this dumb grainy kind of thing it was almost like kind of like a really like patient kind of like Hanukkah-esque shot in a way it was like holy crap there's like subtleties in this movie yeah then slowly over the course of the film it just got like really, really repetitive. And then again, without spoiling anything, it just got way too goofy near the end.

It started turning into like saw six and seven for me. I was like, this does not fit with the whole first part that you communicated. Yeah, because I love the start of it. Just like the whole like, again, not to spoil it, but just everything that she's going through and all the little steps she's taking as she like works her way through. And there's a lot of little moments like that that really do build tension. And I think just in terms of like an enjoyable popcorn flick, I don't think very many people are going to be disappointed by this.

You know? I mean, maybe you would be, but you know. No, no, I agree with you. I agree with you. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I gave it a pretty high rating, but it's just because like if I go into a movie and I have a really good time watching it in a theater setting, like that's good.

You know, I'm fun. And I like Elizabeth Moss. I don't like some aspects about her personal life. But I really like her as an actress. She's great. Yeah. You got some juice. You got some dirt.

Just like the Scientology stuff. You know, it's always a lot. I didn't know anything about that. I don't, she's a Scientologist. She's a Scientologist. From my birthday, from birth. So like I kind of feel bad for her. Like she was born into it.

I did not know that. Yeah. She gets called on quite a bit because if she was in like Handmaiden's Tale and people were like, do you guys see any like the irony that like you're? And then she tries to be like, no, it actually works perfectly. Yeah. But, no, it's, other than that, she's fantastic. Yeah.

Yeah, I just, there's so much that I liked about it at first. And I was, like, pleasantly surprised by it. It looked nice. The, like, darkish-blue color palette was, like, really nice, too. The effects weren't bad at all for the first part, especially. And then, yeah, it just turned into, like, this really goofy, campy thing that I loved in Upgrade. I loved the campiness of Upgrade because it was, like, this fun kind of, like,

almost kind of comedy sort of thing going on. But like the tone of what was happening in The Invisible Man, just like it felt so conflicting by the time that it reached the end. And it's like, well, you can't start off as like a super serious movie. And then every stupid thing happens in a billion plot holes. And then, you know, this would work perfectly if it were in a movie that had the same tone as upgrade, but it didn't. Yeah. It was goofy and it went on for way too long.

It felt like the third act could have ended like right in that parking lot. Yeah. basically. Yeah, absolutely. And it doesn't. It keeps going and going, and I would have been satisfied right there. Yeah. Yeah, I can agree with that. I just remember when it was done. I was like, so amazing that they're setting up for the Fantastic Four with Invisible Man, because that's just kind of the vibe I got with them when it actually ends. Yeah. They could have cut some stuff out to the middle, honestly. Like, the movie's two hours long, I think. Probably could have been a good hour and 40 and been the exact same movie, but just not as repetitive and long.

I agree. There were some characters I thought were cliche. I thought like the cop character. She like happens to know a cop. Yeah, that was kind of funny. Later on. It worked out very nicely for him. Like later.

Yeah, it works out. Yeah, everything works out nicely. It's very strange. Yeah, it's very convenient. Convenient. Yeah. Same with her sister and other characters. Yeah.

Yeah. The writing's weird and kind of blushed. I thought that they at least covered like the basics for like character relatability. At first, like, I had no idea who she was, and I was kind of annoyed by her in, like, the opening scene. But then as soon as, like, you know, she's interacting with the people that she's staying with, she gives them, like, a present and stuff, they're these, like, really tiny but necessary character moments where it's like, oh, okay, I like this character now. And then they just move on with the rest of the story. And that's, like, all we got of it, but that's all we

really needed, I guess, just for this, you know, horror movie or gaslighting movie. Yeah, for sure. That's, like, every scene. It's, that's, that's, what you needed to make the story work and that's it. Yeah, but then it gets really repetitive, which is so weird because you think that they would just stick along with that like, oh, we got the basics covered, let's move on. But then they kind of just do the same thing over and over. It's just a bunch of gaslighting and that's it. Yeah, it almost feels like they're like, do we need more moments building up tension here? Do we really need to kind of like try to subvert the audience expectation of what's

coming? Do we want to try to convince them that's all one way and then jump at some results? but then it ended up feeling repetitive instead of like tension building, I guess, after a point. Yeah, I wasn't like that super affected by it, you know, I wasn't like scared, really. Oh yeah, no. I had a couple jumps and that's about it. Maybe one. I don't even remember what it was anymore. Everyone jumped when someone coughed in the back of the theater.

Well, yeah, that's the scariest thing of all right now. Yeah. A real-life horror movie. Yeah. I don't have too much more to say about this movie. Actually, apparently, just on top of that, apparently breaking news, Universal Pictures is making some of its current film releases

available on demand starting this week, which includes The Invisible Man and the Hunt, which will be available on Apple, Amazon, and other on fans' services for 1999. Oh, awesome. Hey, I took my risk going to the theaters. Get your butt over there. Oh, no.

Oh, I got a review Invisible Man. But yeah, so now you can see it. And I should clarify to our listeners, I am not looking forward to The Hunt. There's a much better 2012 film called The Hunt that has nothing to do with this and this one looks like crap. So that's why I didn't want to see it in theaters.

They're completely different movies. It got banned. It didn't get banned. It got postponed by like... Delayment or something. Universal. Same thing, it's a Blumhouse. It's a Blumhouse production as well.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So it got postponed because they were about to release it, but it was like there was a shooting that happened or something. and it's like... Two shootings. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

It's like, when are you going to release it when there's not a shooting, you know? Yeah, basically it just... They're playing that aspect up in their marketing because I think they were hoping for the backlash they were getting from like the president, which they got and then from all the news sources being like, this movie is horrible.

And they were going to bank on that. And then the shootings happened and they were like, ah, oops. We're going to delay it by six months. Yeah. And now it's just kind of writing off of it being controversial. It's like, the movie they do. didn't want you to see.

It's like, oh, come on. Yeah, exactly. It looks really basic. And they're like the most talked about. Yeah. That's what they said about Gody when it came out. Yeah, the most talked about movie in the year. Yeah, exactly.

It's like, which year? It was never the most talked about movie of either 2019 or 2020. Yeah, it was like the Joker kind of has that pinned. Rise of the Skywalker was talked about more than. More talked about. The Hunt. You know, it was, it was decently like, it was, if you like, violent action, thriller comedies, like, it's pretty fun.

Gilpin is really good in it, but like it's not something that like people need to be rushing out to theaters to watch right now, obviously. Yeah, we can all catch up on a bunch of digital releases or even maybe some classics or something. Yeah. You don't need movie theaters for a bit, I guess. For a bit, just a little bit. Yeah.

I still love film festivals. I hope I can get a tip. What's really funny is like I still put in my press application for Cannes. I don't know if that's going to happen or not. But I put in my application anyway Just didn't book any flights They seem to think it's still happening Even though France banned gatherings of like

200 people or more or whatever Or sorry, no, I think it was like a thousand I don't know what they're planning on doing Apparently a good like 10 days ago or something They were offered an opportunity To actually purchase insurance Specifically for pandemics and they declined it And they're just like no

it's just happening either way and so now I don't know what I'm gonna do Seems like a bad decision Anyway Invisible Man 4 out of 10 for me I think I gave it a 5 actually 5

Yeah What would you guys I don't know I feel like I like it less than you So I'd give it a 4 out of 10 Okay I gave it a 5 originally But like yeah

It's just dumb I feel like there's so many things I would have done that she didn't do if I knew there was like an invisible person Yeah of course Like record anything on your phone Especially because she had a lot of money too She got money from his trust or whatever

Yeah So she could have like rented a room and set up like a bunch of traps And strings and I don't like I don't know Or just call the police She was like doing nothing Well she spilled coffee grounds on the floor That's about it She did

Yeah she pulled that super now natural stuff. Yeah. I think I liked it the most. I gave it a 3.5 on letterbox, which I realize is high, but I don't know. I had fun with it. No need to feel ashamed of your rating. I know.

I'll be honest, like I tend to rate things higher for little reasons just because, you know, I don't know, just how I am. Yeah, that's fine. It's the only scale you have to be consistent with is your own. You don't have to be consistent with anybody else's as long as it's just consistent with yourself. I agree. Alex, what would you give it?

Are you still hyped to see it now? I give it a zero out of ten. Oh, shit. Oh, my God. You really sold me on it, though. I'm really going to go out and see that one. I'll give it a chance when it comes out. I just don't want to, you know, risk killing my grandparents for the sake of the invisible.

Yeah. Well, you'll be able to watch it home soon. Yeah, I guess they'll be releasing it soon. Yeah. You can catch it on digital. Or maybe it'll just be one of those, like, US-only bullshit things. things. I hope not.

Probably. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. All right. So I guess we're going to move on to the recommendation discussion, if that's fine, unless there was another thing you wanted to talk about. We'll just move on to that, and then we'll do that.

There's nothing big. It's like the hunt, I still believe, and some other ones is about it. Yeah, everything else is gone. There was like onward that nobody watched, apparently. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah.

I was going to watch. watch it and then I saw the 60-something metascore. I was like, okay, if this is like the one Pixar movie that gets like below 90, then I'm probably not going to enjoy it also. Like even the ones that get like 90-something and rotten tomatoes or whatever, it's just like, eh. Yeah, it didn't really look like a Pixar movie to me from the trailers. It looked more like a throwaway Disney thing to me. Dreamworks or something.

How dare you talk anything bad about Dreamworks? I never would. No. They made the Madagascar trilogy Trek One of the most epic trilogies of all time Doesn't Pixar have another movie coming out this year? Soul

Oh yeah That's the same thing that happened when they released Like the Good Dinosaur and then like a few months after that They released Inside Out Yeah I don't know about them making two movies a year It's a bad call It's a bad call We see the Pixar formula now

Like we were disappointed when we saw the trailer for this new one where it's like, oh, this looks like a really interesting character study and it's like, oh no, it becomes like a little dim thing, like a plushy. It just looks like other things they've done. It's like inside out. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Recycled ideas, basically, I guess. We'll see. All right, so there was a film recommendation from last episode. It was my pick. It was a movie I haven't seen in a while

and wanted to check it out again from, one of the most interesting people in filmmaking, Shane Carruth, in my opinion. Yeah, if you don't want to hear spoilers for Upstream Color, then don't listen to this part or just watch the movie because we're going to spoil it. So basically, Upstream Color is a movie that was made for, like, I think, 50 grand or something. Maybe less. Yeah.

And it was shot on a GH2, and it still looks great. really great. Yeah. Shane Carruth knows better than anyone how to make a really, really low budget. This is like basically micro budget we're talking about for like

movie scale. Make it look like something actually professional and well produced. He does everything. He directs, he writes, he stars in the movie, he scores the movie. I believe he probably edits it too. He does everything and he's

he's got quite the interesting brain and quite the interesting way of presenting his films. At this point I would normally describe what the movie's about but I think that that's kind of a larger part of the discussion because there is a very concrete narrative it's not so much metaphorical

like there's things actually happening when I saw this when I was a lot younger I was really really confused the first time I watched it and had to watch it again But then when I showed this to my roommates or a couple people, they weren't so confused. And now I feel like an idiot. So maybe I was having up just how much this movie doesn't hold your hand. Or maybe because I told them beforehand that it doesn't hold your hand, they were paying extra close attention.

And they figured everything out pretty easily. But anyway, I kind of want to hear what you guys think about this. Really interesting. I wasn't as confused as after your first viewing from your description, but I'd say I'd probably understood maybe 60% of what was going on. Not on a way that was frustrating to me, though. I thought it was presented in such a way that kept it going at a pace that made it so you couldn't really even get a chance to get frustrated with what's going on

because it's always kind of developing really fast. But yeah, after about 30 minutes, I really kind of got into the mystery of it all, because that was really the hook for me. It was like, okay, what is going on? Like, it wasn't even striking me that much on a metaphorical level aside from the obvious kind of parasite cycle, cyclical thing that was going on, which is designed to make you think about. But, yeah, otherwise, it was an interesting, confusing journey into a, I don't even know, like. Yeah, it's hard to process the whole thing.

Yeah, like I was on a first viewing. I was watching it and someone came in and was like, oh, what's this about then? I'm like, watch the rest of you. And I was like, Jesus Christ, there's like maggots. And then like a pig fusion. Hypnotism. Just forget about it. Just forget about it.

You got to watch it on your own. But as I said, it was very entertaining. I really liked the characters. So I liked just, as you said, the unique way it was presented. like in a very slick, very intentional kind of way using the limitations, really understanding the limitations and using it to enhance what he was doing with the movie.

Because unfortunately I did look and see the budget before watching it, and so I'm trying to think, but would I have noticed something? I guess the only thing I would have noticed was the audio quality at points. During the beginning, I was like, I don't really like hearing that static in there, but at the same time it also is kind of like the style

the movie, it does feel very chaotic like that. But, yeah, aside from little nitpicks, I found it very interesting. Yeah, nothing really annoyed me or upset me despite how, you know, out there and abstract, it definitely is. Yeah, it definitely has a soul. Yeah, I liked the chemistry between those lead to characters. I thought their relationship was kind of interesting. The way they trickled out their kind of backstory.

and came to the realization together and that really weird idea of them sharing the same kind of backstory and realizing at the same time and very strange scenes where you're just trying to figure out what's going on. He just saved a lot of money because he did everything, basically.

He acted in it and... Producing and everything. So he didn't have to pay anyone to do any of that. He had to pay a cast of people. It wasn't like a period piece or anything. It was basically him going around on these locations acting out a play. that he wrote.

And that's what Primer was too. That's why it was so charming. But the stories are so complex and interesting, even if you don't know what's happening the whole time. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of one of the interesting things about him as a director or just as a filmmaker.

When you're watching his stuff, you don't. Like, you kind of, you're picking up little things as you're watching and you can kind of follow what's going on. But then it, like, once you hit the ending is when it all really wraps together, but not in a way that it like walks you through it where it's like, oh my God, this is the reason why this happened and the characters come to that realization,

he really leaves it for you to come up with it, which is why I honestly think that his movies are kind of better watched twice. Like, even if you get to the end and you're like, I get what's happening, I think you get a lot more when you go back and rewatch it, for sure. Yeah, Alex, so you haven't seen Primary yet, right? No, it's been on my list for so long, but I've just never got around to it. It's so good.

What makes it so famous, though? Yeah, I would say from memory, I haven't seen that one in a while either, but I would say Primer is probably my favorite out of the two. But yeah, in the same sense, like the way that it's presented, when I say it doesn't hold your hand, what I'm talking about is like any other movie that you would see pretty much that had the same general plot as either of these two films, there would either be text or a narrator or maybe a character even, explaining things to the audience along the way being like, oh, so this happened and this is what this is and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But instead it's just more of like an experience

of like the characters as it's happening in a more realistic way where they're not, like, kind of just explaining things or narrating things to the audience. In terms of primer, people have created like long and complicated charts to describe like what's actually happening in that movie. This is very funny videos.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I had a notebook while I was watching it kind of like ticking off I was like Abe one Aaron one and then like going and then jumping around with them you know yeah it's fun yeah I definitely want to see that primer is I think it's more dialogue heavy than this movie it's mm-hmm there isn't a lot of dialogue in this or there's long stretches where there's like just nothing yeah I like that about it but it makes it makes it it hard to understand for a lot of people there were sequences in this movie that kind of reminded me of like tree of life Terence Malick especially

those ones with like the worms like inner body or whatever like really kind of interesting shots and like the the chemicals like pouring out of like the dead pig babies and stuff in the river like it looked really nice like there were a lot of really aesthetically well filmed shots just things that you wouldn't expect in a movie that's made for like far less than a hundred grand so yeah the worms under the skin i thought look pretty good yeah yeah like really Yeah, the budget. He's very impressive. He's got a great brain, and I'm sad that he says he's quitting making films.

Didn't he say again last year that he was working on his biggest project yet that was going to blow? Because he keeps quitting and then coming back with like a new project. No, I don't know. I think it's pretty long breaks. I don't know how many times he's actually quit. I've only ever known of one time that he's said he's quit. So if he's said this multiple times, then that brings me a little bit of hope. So many directors have said they're going to quit, and then they don't.

The guy directed the fall, Stephen Sodomberg, Tarantino's going to quit, but you'll come back. Yeah. I mean, Shane Carruth, he makes a movie like every like 11 years or something, and he's only made two, and I love both of them. I mean, he's an indie filmmaker. It's probably hard for him to get all the money together and write these stories. That's what he was saying. If he does it all, like, that's time.

He was trying to get a movie made called like the Modern Ocean or something. And when it was listed on IMDB, when, there was like news coming out about it like there were some big name actors in there but it seems like what wound up happening yeah what wound up happening was just like it it fell through because he couldn't get the money needed to you know just he needed producers if he was going to have this kind of scope and scale and that just wound up discouraging him like i guess in an interview he was just like yeah i hate this whole system i hate having to worry about making a financial return on some of Like the guy just wants to create art very clearly and there's something very respectable about that and I love seeing these types of voices where that is their number one priority. It's not just like, oh yeah, what can we put in this movie to make sure we get a return on our investment? And so I can understand why he would be discouraged by that because that's like the overwhelming majority of the industry. And if you're working like in the actual industry, it's like, you have to make money. You have to have a big studio backing you like Christopher Nolan.

has a movie coming out, but he has a big studio backing him so he can make movies every two years. He can't. Shane Carruth is just, he doesn't have that kind of studio support. Maybe he should, but I mean, I don't know. I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah. Like, I think the last thing that I'm seeing about him, apparently in an interview in 2019, it said he was working on something massive that will leave the film industry and he'll leave the film industry once he's done working on that project.

Okay. So I guess he's working on one last really big thing. dope. I would love to see one more. Yeah, same thing with like... Absolutely. Like Portishead makes an album every like seven years or something. I guess I'm one to talk. It's been like 10 years for me. Alex, you said you got like about like 60% of what was going on.

How did you feel Ralph and Amanda in terms of like interpreting, I guess like the full story? Were there things that you were confused about? Because like I've seen it enough times that, you know, I kind of have... basically the whole narrative of what's happening down. Yeah, I feel good about it now. I watched it once back when you mentioned it, and then I watched it again, like the next day. Because I have a really hard time focusing when I'm at home.

That's one of the main reasons why I love going to movie theaters because it really, it demands your attention. I'm very easily distracted when I'm at home. And he's not the kind of director that you can get distracted while watching his movies. Like you have to be focusing. So I followed most of it, but there were moments where I was all like, why is that happening? And then I'd kind of go back a little bit.

And it's like, oh, it's because I looked away for like five minutes and totally miss this thing that's happening just because like there was no dialogue. Because my brain just decided to be stupid for five minutes. But you know, like I followed pretty well. And then once it got to the end, I was like, I felt pretty comfortable. And I think the first time I just went back to the very beginning just to watch that intro scene again just to kind of not understand, but just to kind of like rewatch what started it with the context of how it ends.

Yeah. It is, it is like very connected. It's kind of like a loop. Although the cycle gets broken by the end of it. Yes, at the end. Yeah, because he calls it. It's like the, I already forget what it was. It's like the three-part cycle.

The last one's like flowers. It's like, oh yeah, I don't know any name. But yeah. I can't remember what it's called anymore. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, basically, if anybody was confused about it listening in the podcast, basically it's like this.

There's this, I guess, chemical or whatever's happening with these plants. And this guy is using this chemical, basically these worms that are, I guess, in the soil by these plants are now, like, infected with this blue chemical. And he takes these worms and puts some in, like, pill bottles and then tries to get people at the club to, like, take them thinking they're drugs. and they have this very strange property or effect where the chemical can link people together in a way so like those kids were pouring cola over the worm without actually eating the worm and then they were like closing their eyes

and doing like synchronized like martial arts almost or like high-fiving and stuff so like it was like connecting their brains and so he'll take this worm make someone eat it by you know by the end of the night he was fed up and nobody was taking his drugs, so he just, like, force-fed it,

attacked... He just tases somebody. Attacked this woman in, yeah, in the parking lot and forced it down her throat. And then pretty shortly after she ingests it, the effects seem to be kind of like scopolamine. If you don't know what that is, then look it up.

There was a really interesting, like... I believe it was like a vice documentary on scopolamine, where basically in some countries there will be like prostitutes that give people this drug, and it's like a highly suggestible, like enhanced suggestibility drug where you can basically hypnotize people

or like scare them into doing things and like giving you all their money sort of thing. And yeah, people wake up and they don't know what happened. Basically the same thing happens to the main character. There's like this whole really interesting hypnotism angle where he's like, my face is made out of the same surface as the sun.

I apologize and she just, you see it kind of through her perspective. I love they got this like light coming in from the side of the frame. And so she never looks at him. He convinces her to take out all the money that she owns in property and get her to go into the bank. Yeah. Keeps her awake by like literally just enhanced suggestibility saying things like,

this water is the best thing you've ever tasted. Do not fall asleep. And like while he's sleeping in her bed is like distracting her by making her read a novel called Walden. And like taking all the pages and gluing them together and like this, this chival. chain link sort of formation. And yeah, after that point, there's like, there's like a man who basically has these gigantic speakers that are pointed in the dirt.

And then I think apparently, like in real life, that's a way to like get earthworms to come out of the soil or something. I forgot to look that up, but I think that that was an actual thing. Apparently there's this cycle happening where she is just the next person in line of a person who has been abused by this man and she now has like this worm thing in her body and the only way to get it out is by transferring it to another living being and I guess you can imagine that perhaps this man who is helping get the worm out of her body perhaps there were other like failed attempts perhaps he tried

doing it and didn't transfer it to another body and either like killed the person that he was trying to help or it just like wouldn't leave or something so he has to like transfer it to a pig and then from that moment on, the person who had the worm inside them is now like mentally kind of like, or also emotionally attached to this pig and they don't know it. So whatever's happening in like the pig's life is something that's going to affect them emotionally. And so like it's kind of like a mouthful when you try to explain everything. But I guess that's also. Beautifully when you're watching it.

Yeah. And that's also why it's great that they didn't explain it. Because it would have sounded like kind of stupid in a way. Like it's more of like an experience, right? Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, I guess two pigs fall in love. And because of that, the two characters, the two main characters fall in love. And they're like drawn to each other.

They can't seem to escape each other sort of thing. Like Shane Carruth winds up going to work late just to catch the same train as her. And then turns out it's been like a year or whatever since she was attacked. And she is on all these medications. and she's like convinced that she's absolutely insane sort of thing. And both of them are incredibly like neurotic. And they have these like OCD things that they need to do throughout the film just out of compulsion, like picking up rocks at the bottom of a pool and like sorting pebbles and stuff.

Like they've been fucked up by this whole experience. And I guess the pigs fucking get pregnant. And then the main character feels like she got pregnant. She goes in to try and get medical. advice they're like, no, you're not pregnant. In fact, you can never be pregnant. It looks like you've had surgery, like, from cancer or something. And, yeah, meanwhile, the farmer is basically using these experiences of the pigs that he has on his farm as, like, inspiration for this music that he creates. To continue the cycle, just going to wrap this up, sorry, I was rambling

for a while, but it's, like, kind of a complex story. It is. You know, if a pig gets pregnant, he takes the babies and, like, drops them into the river. Other people offer to buy the pigs, but I think that he believes that, you know, if they're infected with this weird chemical or whatever, that there might be something wrong with that or, like, he doesn't want them, I guess, like, out of his control. And so he just winds up, like, throwing them in a river. And then the pigs decompose and then the same chemical from the pigs goes back into the river and infects more flowers.

And then those are the flowers that get picked at the beginning of the moon. movie. And so the entire time, you know, the main characters are experiencing all of this like anger and grief and they don't know where it's coming from and they just, they feel like they want to jump outside of their own skin or whatever. Like, I don't know where I am. Should we go home? Where are we going? Let's go home. And then they like barricade themselves in a bathroom and they think it's like the end of the world that it's just based purely around this feeling of, of like, having their babies taken away from them essentially. And it's just pure emotion without any logical reason to it.

Yeah, and then his pig is locked in a cage too, right? So, like, he's feeling closed off. And then she's dealing with, like, the emotional trauma, feeling like she's lost her children without having any, like, logical reason to think that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I guess, like, that would be basically the theme of the film is, like, outside influences that you don't understand driving you to do certain things and driving you to feel certain

ways. And like in reality, there are outside influences in all of our own lives where we might not understand why we're feeling a certain way or we might not understand why we have a compulsion to do a certain thing that there are things outside of our own control. We might not be connected to pigs, brains or anything, but, you know, just to kind of get at like what it's trying to say thematically. All right. Somebody else talk for a bit. That was a mouthful. Yeah. Yeah, like if you break down everything what you just said it sounds like crazy like if someone's listening to this right now and they haven't watched the movie um it sounds crazy but they they tell so much of it through like the visuals so it doesn't as you said earlier it doesn't come across as if it is silly like it is i don't know

it just works seeing this like pig on like a medical table next to the human and yeah the fact they don't over-explain everything is exactly what makes it good and it is it is crucial that it is as entertaining and kind of swift as it is because it's not very long movie. It's only like an hour and a half or so. Perfect length I thought. And yeah, that rewatchability factor where it probably will get better

with every rewatch, I think. Yeah, I like movies that you can appreciate more. It's asking a lot of you, but at the same time, everything is kind of there. Like, as you just described the plot, it's like, yeah, yeah, like every little bit that I kind of missed. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

And it's like, you can't even really blame the movie for you missing what it. it was doing because it is just so abstract and not used to the way stories are normally structured in this medium. Yeah, and also I think like a lot of movies that present themselves in this kind of way, sometimes I watch something like that and the base assumption is like, oh, this is just something that's being metaphorical and doesn't make sense and they don't care or it's like trying to be lynchian or something, right?

So you might not expect that there's an actual, you know, like he's actually dropping rocks in this thing and has a microphone and he's recording it. It's not supposed to be like some grand metaphor that has nothing to do with the story. That's literally a part of the story. Like he's using the pigs as inspiration for his music. He first like throws the papers off the cliff and he's like, ah, and then he like goes to the pigs and then starts like, you know, touching each of them and like feeling their human connected lives. And the one guy's got like a wife that just died. And then as soon as he connects with that, that person, pig, then he's like, okay, I can write music again, which is just crazy to describe.

But, like, you know, it's all there. Yeah. It's all there for sure. Whereas, like, Primer doesn't get really that out there in terms of, like, just how kind of abstract this movie is or just how weird the plot is. Primer is confusing in a different way because it's a time travel movie. And it's just like, there are so many layers. Keeping track of all the different versions of characters.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's confusing. but like once you get the structure down you understand what's happening in Primer and it's obviously there's like a lot of dense physics talk obviously early on like they're just going back and forth

they're not trying to like exposition yeah exactly they're not trying to baby you through it it's supposed to sound like two guys that actually are professionals in this field having a conversation about something this definitely just goes out there and just so many other ways and like Alex was saying it's a lot in the visuals

so this requires this doesn't require your attention it demands attention because you don't if you're not sitting and watching this movie you're going to like lose so many little details and if you miss it from the beginning like you're done for the rest of the movie don't don't show up in the theater five minutes after it started so many people yeah because you're done you're already gone yeah they do just like casually walk in they got like two bags of popcorn yeah yeah are you here to watch the movie you can do that for the invisible man walking 20 minutes after the movie started it's like too late now you need to come

back for the next showing Yeah. This movie is boring. Some of the pigs. Yeah. I bet a lot of people walked out seeing this. Oh, I have no idea. It made half a million dollars in the box office, which is good, considering its budget.

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder. I'm assuming Primer was even more successful. Like, that's more of like a... Yeah, because Primer was like a $5,000 budget or something. Oh, yeah. Primer was made for like literally nothing.

Nothing. Yeah. $7,000. Yeah. shot on film. Absolutely insane. That's cool. I need to rewatch that movie for sure.

Yeah. I just thinking about it. Yeah, I rewatched it when you asked if I had seen it. So it's just so good. Yeah. Would you prefer primer as well to upstream color? Yeah. I think primer is definitely my prefer to the two.

I think they both are worth your time 100% though. But primer is just such a refreshing take on a genre that's been done in so many different ways. Yeah. And the logic of it is really solid. Like, I like the idea of, like, we've made these machines. You can only go back as far as the machine has been turned on. That's it. You can't go back to the, like, you can't go back to 1802.

Yeah. Like, it follows a structure. Yeah, like, it follows a structure. And it makes sense. Yeah. I like that. I have so much respect for a movie that follows its own rules. That's all I care about.

When people say that I'm being, like, nitpicky about a movie logic, it's like, you can make whatever rules you want. I don't care how crazy you want to be. You can be an alternate universe. There can be like supernatural elements at play. I don't care. Just follow your own rules. And it seems ridiculous that so many films just can't even do that. I can think of literally two time travel movies that follow the rules that they set up. And that's 12 monkeys and primer. And that's it. I can't literally every other time travel movie that exists. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Ascaband. Is that a time travel movie? I don't remember. has time travel.

It's not a time travel. Well, yeah, it kind of is, but yeah, I think it follows its rules. Okay. Well, then we got three. That's based on. There's like Terminator Genesis or something like that. Where it just bogs down the movie. I mean, even the first terminator, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

Yeah. Yeah, but that's not the point of the Terminator. I know. I know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I appreciate it in a movie. Yeah, yeah, I do too. Primer and 12 monkeys also don't make sense if you break it down logistically.

There's a lot of issues with time travel in general. but just follow your own rules. That's all I want. And I love that Shane Carruth cares enough about this. And I mentioned this on a previous episode of the podcast. Ryan Johnson sent Shane Caruth the script for Looper. And Shane Caruth responded with, the time travel doesn't make sense and it doesn't work.

Yeah. He literally told him. He's like a consultant on Looper. Yeah. Why would you even send your script to Shane Caruth? It's just going to tell you. That's risky. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, you should know it doesn't make sense. If you wanted it to be accurate, he should have fixed it. Yeah, I could have, but, I mean, yeah. No, you don't. Films don't have that goal all the time, you know. Of course, yeah. It takes time to explain all that and make it make sense.

Sometimes movies are like, oh, that's boring. Let's just shoot, like the Terminator did. Let's just have a bunch of action scenes. Piu-poo. Cachow. All right. Do you guys have anything more to add about, the upstream color?

I really like the music and the use of kind of sound. That really elevated anything that would have come across as more kind of cheap to me, especially when that audio engineer guy was coming in. Like it really showed the range of kind of sound effects and that they were willing to implement, which I really liked. Did you notice it's the same soundtrack as tickled by David Ferrier? I thought it sounded familiar.

I searched up on Spotify. to see if I could find it, but I didn't remember that. It was tickled. That makes sense. This came first, and then David Ferrier wound up editing his movie to the upstream color soundtrack as temp music, and then Shane Carruth, like, I guess he's just connected with these people. He's like, oh, yeah, use it for free or whatever. He just let him use it.

That's awesome. Yeah, and I think it worked really well for Tickled, too. It's like a rare instance of, like, literally using another film's soundtrack that doesn't actually bother me, because it's like a documentary. So it's like, well, the film exists in that universe, right? Takes on an amoeina. Yeah. Ralph, is there anything else you wanted to say about it?

Sorry, or Amanda also? No, I liked it. But I think I'd appreciate it more if I saw it a few more times. Like, I have primer. Like, right now I like primer more. But, you know, that also took time. It ages like fine wine. Like, you watch more times.

You're like, oh, yeah, I remember that part. It's so good. So I got to see how this one sits with me. Would you give a rating now? you want your ratings. Yeah, let's do it. We'll show you. Okay.

Let's say 7 out of 10 for now. You want to say that again? I think your dog was in the mic. Yeah, because I think my dog is not like at the same time. Yeah, he just shook his whole body. Yeah, just say it again. Sorry about that. I would give it a 7 out of 10.

Awesome. How was that take? That's a good one. Yeah. I have it at an 8 out of 10 right now. Yeah, I'm at the same, A out 10, but possibly higher. if I revisit, which I do want to. Yeah, I've been like coasting between an eight and a nine.

Feels more like an eight right now. It used to be more of a solid nine. Not like it's like, oh, no, I just don't like it as much sort of thing. It's just, you know, different points of my life, I guess. You know, when I was younger, it was like more cool. I don't know. I still love it. I like, I've spent the entire time praising it.

Did the romance impact you more when you were younger? What do you mean? Like, oh, the romance? Yeah, like, did it make you feel more? more where you're like wow that's beautiful to nine um no there's certain there's certain parts that i connected with more and certain parts that i connected with less in a way absolutely yeah the one part of the i guess a romantic element like the fact that they're both like insane or whatever one part that really kind of got me this time is like a punch to the gut was when she literally just pulls out

her prescription bottles and she's like by the way i'm nuts here's saving like three or four months and you can just tell just from that, like, interaction. Like, she's had a lot of bad experience and pain over the past year that we didn't see in the film. Yeah. And she had, like, a very well-together life before that. Yeah. They really expressed that. She's had a really great job.

She was in charge of a lot of things. And then, like, her whole life is just gone in a flash. Yeah. Eight or nine. Can't decide my MDB ratings a nine and I'm just not going to change it. So, that's my rating. All right. question time? Yeah, if you want to leave your own questions for the Sardonicast crew to answer,

head over to the Sardonicast subreddit. There's someone who left a post saying it angered them when I call it the Sardonicast Reddit. Oh, that's hilarious. Subreddit. I didn't realize Redditors were so particular. But let's start with this one from, do do do, do, A, no, AGR 23, who says, Star Wars pre-ecals or The Hobbit, which prequel series do you prefer? Oh, the Hobbit, 100%. Prequels. I'm a soft spot for them. I love them so much.

I know they're trash, but I love them. The prequels? They're so boring. I grew up with them, so I just loved them. I love Phantom Menace, like unapologetically. You're also talking to a Jedi. Remember that? You are talking to a Jedi.

That's true. But I think the Hobbit movies are so much more, like, ambitious and better made. There's a really good Hobbit movie somewhere within that trilogy. Yeah, you could edit it down. You could edit down to one. But I don't think there's anything good in the prequel trilogy. I don't think there's any good movie in there. Wow.

I think the prequels thematically are actually quite good. It's just the, you know, the implication of everything that. I've been watching the commentary, actually. The commentary tracks by Lucas on the prequels. And they are hilarious. That's right. So like in The Phantom Menace. Yeah.

Yeah. When he shows like C-3-Pio and he's like, oh, yeah, I thought it would be funny to make C-3 be made by Anakin Skywalker. Something that's like annoyed so many fans and to him it's just like a little side joke. It's so funny to me and illuminating I definitely recommend those.

Yeah, they're great. But yeah, I actually might go over the prequels personally. I think I prefer them. I think their effect on culture I think is just so much grander and greater. And it awakens so many people to the kind of critical way

of viewing, especially like franchise but you know blanket reviews out of it and it's like just started this huge spider's web of looking at movies in a different way whereas I don't know if the Hobbit really moved the needle that much hey we got Lindsay Alice Hobbit videos those that's a very good trilogy of videos yeah yeah not quite Planket but we both got some we got some good reviews out of both of these in pre-cultural yeah at this at this point that's the best part of the Star Wars movies is seeing the Red Letter media things on them yeah you you

There are compelling arguments for both sides, for sure. And I agree that if you edited down the Hobbit movies, you'd probably get something better than an edited down version of the Star Wars prequels, or at least more appealing to me. And I don't like either of these prequel trilogies. But I do have to say, like, I can't imagine myself ever revisiting the Hobbit trilogy. Same.

And I'm pretty much done with Star Wars also, but I agree with Alex. Like there's more of like a cultural thing going on. Like there's like prequel memes subreddit. You know, there's like, it's a quotable trilogy, even if it's kind of dog shit. There's some quotes. Yeah, I also think that just story wise, the prequels at least give more, I totally lost the word, but it gives more to the overall story that it's giving to, whereas, like, the Hobbit doesn't really achieve anything.

Certain actors actually had to turn down roles because they said it wouldn't make sense for them to be there. Oh, what? Because they just insisted on stretching it into three movies. I think they're both detrimental to the universe of the whatever. Like, I think the Star Wars prequels did a lot to like, like with the Metaclorians and Jar Jar Jar Jar Jar Things. This is like a lot of bad.

The sequels. No, I get what you're saying, though, for sure. Yeah, the problem at the core of the two Trilogies is so different because the Hobbit's issues come from it being a rushed production with the too many cooks in the kitchen with all these producers trying to force it into a trilogy.

Whereas it's like the opposite problem with the prequels where it's one person's total control over a trilogy and not being able to reel it back quite in a way like he did for the original. Yeah. Lucas needed someone in the kitchen saying, no, that's a horrible idea. Yeah.

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, in a way, I guess you could say, like, at least Lucas was making something he loved and cared about, even if his ideas were just strange. Yeah, very bizarre. Whereas, like, Peter Jackson and the whole Hoverd thing. It felt like more of a cash grab than a Star Wars prequel trilogy somehow. And I know that that's a crazy thing to say. But, like, yeah, comparing the lengths of, like, the books and, like, like, look. Lord of the Rings and like the Hobbit.

Like none of that's justified. They were literally just trying to recapture this whole like, oh, we'll do a trilogy, release one every year sort of thing. That worked out really well for Lord of the Rings. Like it was so much money at the expense of art in that movie. Yes.

You can see like in the behind the scenes of the Hobbit movies like Peter Jackson is in like a real state. It was such a horrific project forced into like Yeah, he was forced into it. He was so rushed.

Yeah, exactly. You could tell he's working really hard. But he has to make like three movies in three years. Yeah, feel for him because it's not like, he was clearly very pressured into doing it because there's just so much money on the line. The Guillermo del Toro movies were supposed to be made, but that didn't fall. That didn't, you know, that fell through. So it just, he picked up the pieces and he had to like do a bunch of production work in a few months.

Yeah, they were basically like, if you don't do this, we're just going to give it to somebody else and they're going to ruin your baby. So he was like, well, somebody's going to ruin it. It's going to be me. I think there's potential there. And like creative spark, I think there was, it was just rushed. And there's a lot of, like, decisions, like, making it three movies that was just a financial decision that hindered the overall trilogy.

But I think, like, at the core, the prequels are just, they don't work. They're so bad. There's nothing about them I like. I think the third one is hilarious. That's about, like, my copy. compliments go. As movies, I don't like them at all, but as memes.

I mean, I don't like the new ones really either. Yeah. I like the 80s and 70s ones. When we're left with like the cultural impact, I'm just trying to think of like a single line or quote from the Hobbit prequels. But I can't. It's just what there's no line to stick with like the culture.

And then in the Star Wars prequels, The prequals are mean, so that's why it's, because people are making fun of it. That's why it's like relevant to culture. Yeah, but people were still good with it before that. Like people, they got kind of crapped on back when they were coming out, but like for the most part, people still showed up to all those movies, really excited. Yeah. You know? People always love them.

Yeah, exactly. And it's just like retrospectively, you're looking back and you're like, okay, attack of the clones, that's a mess. No, God. Okay. Natalie Portman's into this. Okay. I have the higher ground. You're supposed to be the country.

Which not to mention, literally like 10 years earlier, boy, like man flies up out of a, like a vent and cuts somebody in half when the other guy had the high ground. Oh, yeah. It's just ridiculous, you know, but when he was Darth Mal. That's when he learned the importance of the high ground. High ground, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're supposed to destroy the dark side, not join them.

Join it. Remove my brother. No. Yeah, the no is the worst. Hands down, that's like, to me, that's, like, to me, that's. Jar Jar and side. Like, that is the worst moment of the prequel. Oh, that's great.

That's great. I've had good experiences watching them, definitely. Each time watching it, it's like watching a new movie. Because, like, you'd, like, rediscover, you'd, like, rediscover Star Wars and discovering things about it. Wotto and Dexter Jeter. And the diner. Oh, my God. And there's all this merchandising off of Star Wars that I think is cooler than, like, Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit.

Absolutely. I like the Lego Star Wars games. Yeah, the prequel iconography is actually pretty good, like all the ships and stuff. That's more what he was thinking about, because George Lucas is a producer first. He likes making money. So, like, making all those toys and everything and video games. That's what he wanted to do. And all that stuff.

Yeah, it's cool. But Peter Jackson was trying to make three movies. Yeah. It's debatable. They even said, like, they announced it as like two movies, which was really funny, because even that was like too many. And then they're like, no, we're actually doing three. the first Harry Potter book.

Like, The Hobbit is not a big book at all. It's, yeah, if you could, if you could put like fellowship, any of the actual or the Rings movies getting their own individual movie and you can make it work. Even without the extended cuts, you can make a one movie Hobbit.

It's like they were, when they were making movies into two parts, like Twilight and Hunger Games. Yeah, everyone's like, we're doing it. We're doing it. Yeah, but the books are so short. You're going to do that. All right. Yeah. So if I, if I,

If I have to choose between one of them, I'm, you know, I have to say probably the Star Wars trilogy. And I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. Now we love them. Yeah, everybody clip it. I love the prequels. Yeah.

My favorite movie is ever. I love Star Wars. I love everything Star Wars. I want to talk about Star Wars all the time. Okay, then. The Space Dentist asks us this. What are your thoughts on the announced HBO miniseries adaptation of The Last of Us from the original writer of the game and the writer of Chernobyl?

Personally, I can't be more excited, and I think the people involved as well as being HBO makes this very promising. Yeah, I'm personally quite excited. Yeah, two things make me excited about it. The first being that it's HBO, because they're doing like a Halo TV show on Showtime, which to me is like, I don't know if they're... But there's any chance of that being good. But HBO and the actual writer of the game having a heavy involvement

and it being a TV show and not a movie, because I'm pretty sure originally they were going to do like a Last of Us movie, which to me was like that is such a bad idea. I think the TV show fits the kind of length of that game a lot better because it almost is like a 13 episode show. That's one of the biggest problems with game adaptations. We don't know anything about it. Yes.

I don't know if they'll do the same characters. It might be set in the same world. but the idea of like a different actor playing Joel and Ellie, I don't know. I think Joel and Ellie are in it, which was, yeah. Ellen Page. Yeah, I was about to say. Whoever else said. Yeah, she can still pass for 15.

Yeah. It's hard to adapt things from video games. It's hard to adapt them into movies or TV shows. I don't know. For several reasons. There's a lot of good people involved. But I think if there was any game that lends itself to that really well, it's by Nottie Dog. Any of those Nottie Dog games are to have so many beautiful cinematic moments that just play out like a movie,

that some people, like, I play those games on easy because I'm just, I'm along for the ride. I don't want to be challenged. I just want to have a good time. Interesting. So I think that, I think that lends itself really well to a television show format, and I trust HBO to do it really well. Yeah. On a first playthrough, yeah, I do that same thing.

Oh, really? Because I, yeah, because I just want to enjoy it like a movie. They make the most cinematic games. I do, I do normal on a first playthrough thing, because that, in my mind, that's like, that's the developer's intention. of what your experience should be if you're not like handicapping yourself or looking for like some ridiculous challenge

like I consider normal to be a default. Later on I play it on the hardest I could. No, I'm not criticizing. I'm not being like, oh, you guys are real gamers. Oh, no, I'm terrible at games. You can say whatever you want. It's fine. No, I'm great at gaming. But I do agree with you, Amanda.

Like, Nottie Dog games in particular are incredibly cinematic and that's why I love them so much. Yes. And I would say, like I've, I've, I've said this before. The Last of Us is probably like the most cinematic game that I've played. Like it's something where I sat my parents down just to kind of show them like, oh, look at where we've come in games and, you know, got them to watch the first like 40 minutes

or whatever before it became like a bunch of like stealth and shooting sort of thing. And like the opening sequence, like there's so many great intelligent choices that come with that because, you know, when you compare something to a film and how, I guess, things are expressed through where the camera is, it means something entirely different to be playing as a character. And so they're driving past, like, this burning farm and, like, the apocalypse is happening. You have that choice as the character to control where your camera is, and she kind of, like, moves around the back seat. And you're experiencing it in a way where it's like, this is how you would experience it if it were happening to you. And because of that, there's much more of like an emotional connection to the cinematic qualities.

And so, yes, it's very cinematic already. But at the same time, I do feel a little bit apprehensive translating these things into TV shows or movies because some of the things I just described where like you are the player and that adds to the cinematic qualities, you can't replicate that. Right. And so we have to decide like, is the story that great as a whole to just translate to. a movie like yeah it's great you can bring that story to more people but i mean at the end of the day it's kind of like a basic zombie thing if you break it down i don't know it really depends if they're going to go for the same tone i if they if they have uh gustavo doing the soundtrack still that would be a huge plus i would love that i think the music's great but like yeah i'm a little bit apprehensive

i'm not super optimistic about it i'm like cautiously interested i guess that's that's fair i can i can on board with that. I actually don't really let myself get excited about many things anymore because I just I feel like it's better that way. Yeah, that's that's the good way to do it. Don't join the hype train. Because then if it's great, you're like, oh my God, that was amazing. And then I feel like even if you get really excited for things, nothing ever really lives up to that. So it's just better to go in with lowered expectations. It takes a lot of influence from children of men to, too. Last of us. The story and that opening scene with the camera like rotating around the car. It's a little bit. So good. And now that Quiet Place 2 trailer. did the same thing. Yeah. It did. Yeah. Yeah, with the kids in the back seat and...

Yeah, it's the same thing. But it's like, we're going to take... Like, Last of Us took influence from these movies and now we're just putting it back into a TV show now. Yeah, it's like, why don't you make something new with The Last of Us inspiring it instead of, like, making The Last of Us again. But, well, we'll see. It could be fine. There's a lot of good people attached to it. Yeah.

It really depends. Yeah, it isn't just a retread of the... Yeah. If it's the same story... I'd just be left asking, so it's just the same thing, but worse, because it's just the same thing again. It's for the non-gamers. They have to change it up. Because when you're looking at the format of a television show, no matter where it's being released,

there has to be some sort of consideration for not just the overall plot and structure, but like the structure of each episode. And to make it episodic, you know, usually you have to have some sort of cliffhanger or like, you know, a little bit of like bait or something at the end of an episode. And so to structure it like that, like, you know, you can have overarching storylines that are still at play, obviously throughout the course of the show. But there needs to be some sort of episodic structure to it. So like an hour long segments, there has to be, you know, conflict resolution or like conflict cliffhanger sort of thing. You know, so I don't think it could be possibly the exact same story. They're going to have to do something differently.

series or like oh i don't know multiple seasons you guys know more about it than i do i don't know if they've said exactly what they're doing they just said adapting a series yeah we'll see they want to stretch it out too that's the thing with television have it go on for as long as they can yeah well if they get this first one and it deals with them younger they could theoretically do things that happen in between this game and the next game next season type thing that that's an option if they wanted to kind of keep it going for a while yeah they can make it like a close to Clone Wars type thing. You get all that in between.

Yeah. Last of Us Cinematic Universe. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's perfect. It's what we all need. If it has really great cinematography and really great music and they keep Gustavo, then I'll be happy. And some good creatures, because that was part of what the Last of Us appealing to me

was their take on that kind of zombie outbreaks. Yeah. I think if they can kind of get like the vibrant, like, annihilation, kind of how it dealt with certain things, just with. like the really vibrant colors on the clickers and stuff, if you can really kind of amp up that like body horror style of, of like the zombies versus just straight up zombies to kind of differentiate it from everything else in that area.

I think that that would really help. Yeah. Yeah, I do like the courtesep concept. Yeah. Seeing that translated into a different medium is not a bad thing. Cautiously interested. Yeah, we'll wait and see them now. Isn't Alex Carlin making a show too?

Speaking of a... Oh, he has one that's already out, I think. Yeah, devs. Yeah. Oh yeah, I've heard good things, I haven't watched it yet. They're all going to TV. Yep. Yeah.

Because they're getting bigger budgets. Yeah. More people are watching. Yeah. Everyone wants their, like, show, don't they? The stories are just better. Yeah. Go to a theater.

You watch a bunch of crap, like Visible Man or whatever. Based on a movie from 100 years ago. But you know what? That's one of the best movies that came out so far this year. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's one of the best ones. Big C. Baller says this.

What are your opinions on Stan culture? Stan culture is the obsessive nature of fans of a particular celebrity or similar. Have you ever had issues with fans that are so obsessed with you, that they act like a sort of cult with whatever you do? I'm mostly curious about Adam's answer for this, considering he had to witness Beyonce Stan's in preparation for his lion can review. Which is, yeah, I watched those videos and, man, I didn't realize it was quite to that.

level would be on so yeah it's just I don't know it's it's absurd to me in a way but at the same time kind of unsurprising and then also at the same time still very surprising it's like there's some people that you know when you look at like Beyonce they're basically just like royalty at this point and it's like when when we put people on these like pedestals and forget that they're actually people and they're more like icons or like ideas at this point. I don't know. Like I think it's good to respect and appreciate people whose work you admire,

but there's a level at which it gets like really messed up and kind of like I would say, I would argue like unhealthy in a way. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Definitely. I haven't really so much had too many bad experiences or anything with people doing that to me. Usually, I don't know. I still consider myself to be like a.

person and I try really hard to continue that idea. I don't want to be looked at as not a human being. And so I try to be as real as possible with people like also online talking about opinions and just being honest and stuff like that haven't haven't had too many issues. And I think that's also like kind of the audience that you fester, the kind of audience that you create depending on how you want to, depending on how you want people to view you, can kind of influence how people do. And I'm hoping that, you know, the majority of my audience has enough respect for me and for that, that, you know, as much as you can be like, oh, that's so cool, I got to meet you. Like, that's cool.

I don't have any issue with that. Haven't had too many big issues. Sometimes I'm just caught off guard by it in a way where I'll follow someone on Twitter or I'll subscribe to their YouTube account or something. And then they'll post like a tweet being like, guys, he's watching my thing. Like, I was like, oh yeah. People care about that.

Like, it's kind of cool and interesting. Like, I forget I have a million subscribers at this point. It's really weird. Yeah, man. I'll be honest. When you followed me, I was like, ooh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah.

I wouldn't blame anyone for feeling that way. And there's certain people that exist where I would feel something similar to that too. Like, I was like pretty much gushing of. over Charlie Kaufman when I was interviewing him. That was like super nervous for me. That was the first interview I ever did. So yeah, that was a huge experience. And I would consider that to be like like a bucket list kind of thing because I love the guy.

Yeah, that's awesome. I feel like just in terms of not necessarily like Stan culture, but also just like overly obsessive fans. I think the issue kind of when you, when you get into the realm of like streaming and YouTubers is that people feel a lot more personally connected to you than they do someone like Taylor Swift or Beyonce. So they have obsessive fans, but those fans still know that there's like a difference between like that level of celebrity and where they are, whereas I feel like streamers and

YouTubers feel very, very approachable. And especially like if you're on Twitch, you're like interacting with them. So you can't see them. You don't know anything about them. But they really feel like they know you. I think it's like parisocial relationships basically. Yeah. And some people can get really weird about it.

Like I've had to call, I had to call the cops on someone once, not that I felt personally threatened here, but they had just been like escalating behavior online. Yeah. And I have friends who literally have messages from people who think that they're in relationships with them. Like they've made up entire relationships in their heads with people that they just lightly interact with on stream and think that like little things where people be like, oh man, hope you have you have a nice day when it's just like a general broad statement is directed

at them. Yeah. So it can be pretty concerning to, to, some degree. And I don't even get it that bad, but I know a lot of, like, some of my female friends get it, like, really, really terribly. Yeah, I could imagine. There's some people that just have, like, mental problems and they don't understand, like, social boundaries or norms, and they're not used to communicating with people in real life. And so, like, the interactions that they have on the internet, they might interpret more than what is actually happening. They might not get

what parisocial relationships are. Yeah, and it makes me feel bad, but people get very attached. Yeah. Yeah, so when you don't remove the thing you like, or like it is your identity, the thing you like is your identity type thing. Because I've never viewed things in that way. I remember the first time I noticed this kind of obsessive standing culture thing. I was in primary school, and I saw, like, all the girls got together

and did like this busted boy band thing. They, like, in chalk wrote, busted is the best or whatever on the ground, and then all the boys went over, I'm right, no, bionicle's the best in all this. And I was like, you know what? I don't want to be a part of any of this. And, like, from then on, I've never treated it like more than what it is. Like, I love, like, the art forms that I like and all that.

But I've never seen the logic and taking it to that degree. Because, like, the worst thing that I've ever come across is because I hid my identity in face for so long. It becomes this, like, secret to people that they want to find out. So it's almost like asking people to try and find out the answers. So people do some creepy stuff to try and find out like personal information about me and what it looked like and stuff like that. Yeah, the mystery. It's kind of like a Streisand effect sort of thing unintentionally.

Yeah, I mystery boxed myself and then I got. Because you'd almost think you'd be safer, not showing yourself that it kind of like removes that level. But no, it just makes people more curious. It's the opposite. Yeah. Who's Banksy? Oh. Yeah. Exactly.

Did you have anything to add Ralph? No. You're a real chill life over there? Yeah. Nothing to add to that. You're lucky dog. Yeah, I, you know, I've said this before. If there's small things I can do to make someone's day better, I'll do them.

And sometimes it's as simple as like saying hi and taking a picture with somebody. And it can mean a lot to them. Yeah. I always do that. It's great. Yeah, I don't get that too, too much at film festivals. I get at a gaming events more, but, like, I have no problem doing any of that at all. It's just that, like, some people's behavior online gets, like, pretty concerning.

Yeah. But, yeah, that's pretty minimal for me right now, thankfully. Good. Awesome. Okay, let's do this one I had to read for reasons you're about to find out. Okay. Jaffo 1917 says, hey, boys, do you have any interests outside of film that when you see done in a movie, it can make you enjoy or dislike the movie a little bit more.

For example, I am a gun. So when I see things like good weapons handling period correctness and realism, I appreciate the film more. Thanks, guys. So we've had our first gun writing in. Amazing. Yeah, okay. I was curious if that's what you actually said, I am a gun.

I am a gun. That's what it was written. That's like how it was written. That's great. So he's a gun. Oh, God. Not he has a gun, he is a gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we've got guns watching the show. I am a gun. I think you missed out the word owner. I mean, either way it works, I guess. Yeah, or he's just a gun and he really appreciates movies that get gun details right. Recently, I saw that Jesse Eisenberg movie, Art of Self-Defense, which is about karate. And I like watch a karate movies, so that was interesting. Like, I enjoyed that.

Or like the karate kid. That's just one. Yeah. I enjoy movies that deal with mental illness properly. Yeah. Because I feel like there's a lot of things that just make shit up and they're like, ah, it's schizophrenia. I was like, no, that's not.

But, yeah, so I always appreciate that handled well. Yeah, that's a good answer. Beautiful mind. Mr. Robots about mental illness a lot. That's a great show. Satan reasons why is incredible. Oh, absolutely. That's the pinnacle of mental illness in the world is 13 reasons why.

13 reasons why it's responsible for a little bit Yeah I agree I always thought like if I were to Make a film and have guns in them I would want to have some sort of consultant Some sort of like person that I could talk to being like Okay does this make sense how I'm using it

Or like you know it it makes sense to have an expert on board for certain things I feel like a lot of people wind up just being like, oh, well, if I don't know there's anything wrong with this, then no one else will. When, you know, depending on the type of movie you're making and what your goals are, isn't all that disastrous, I guess, but can be depending on what it is. And that's part of why I love Michelle Hanukkah so much. It's because this guy was like 70-something and his latest movie dealt with the internet. And so like any other, like, there are people like in their 30s that make movies about the internet that are just so cringe and they don't understand any. anything that's going on. It's like that's not how any of this works. It's over-exaggerated.

You're just fear-mongering for something that you don't understand. And when he did it, like, he clearly did so much research or had some sort of consultant or something. Because even though a lot of the websites being used in the film were fake websites, they functioned in a way that made sense. And the way that they were included in the story made sense. It was very thoughtful and well presented. And I love when that amount of detail is put into something. And I guess if there's like a hobby that, you know, makes me particularly notice certain elements, it would have to be music. So if someone's playing a piano, I'm like, okay, they're not playing the piano in a lot of the senses. Or even it's like they're hitting notes.

I'm like, that's not what that note is. Like it doesn't make sense to what I'm hearing, what's being shown visually. And a lot of the time, people don't care. Even in music videos, it doesn't line up. Yeah, that's where you want to actually pay attention. Yeah, but when those extra efforts are actually made, it makes me appreciate something that much more, where it's actually accurate. Like in Coco, the guitar notes being played were the actual guitar notes. Like, you could learn how to play the songs that they were playing in that movie by watching what they're doing with their fingers.

And I thought that was cool, especially for a kid's movie. That's really cool, actually. Yeah, and there's some detailed animation, too. Mm-hmm. I like these extra efforts. Yeah, I feel like for me, it's, I appreciate all of the ones. like examples you brought up, it doesn't normally like bug me or pull me out of maybe too much,

but I suppose I'm not like an expert on, you know, being a gun or anything like that. Okay. Can we do one more question? We could probably do one more. All right. Okay.

Let's do this one then. It's from a yo, yo, yo, boager, who says, what's your main choice for breakfast? What's your breakfast?

Milk? A glass of milk And then some kind of meat Either like the bacon Or you know something Some kind of meat We found the American Yeah

Mm hmm Although I won't have milk Yeah I won't have milk Like steak together Then I'll like put the milk away Have a glass in a bowl of milk You can like blend bacon And make bacon infused milk

You can pour milk on top of the steak Yeah what about you guys I think my berries Sometimes I'll I just have like, I just wait until lunch because sometimes I don't feel really hungry in the morning. Lately I've been doing like brunch style with like toast with an over-easy egg, you know, pretty basic.

Some coffee. Get going. Eggs are good for you. Bear. Eat eggs, everybody. Unless you're vegan. Unless you're vegan. Which case, that's a very interesting video where somebody made runny egg

yolks with tomatoes. Whoa. That sounds weird and interesting. Very California. So just, yeah. I'm not much of a breakfast guy Yeah I don't follow any like sort of three meal structure in my day For the past three weeks I've basically just been having one meal a day

And then just like a bunch of snacks So and neither of the like none of the things I've eaten could be considered breakfast really I'm usually not like immediately hungry when I wake up I'll probably just you know Just drink some LeCroy and start my day if I'm forced to go to like you know if there are like people visiting from out of town a lot of people want to do a breakfast thing

maybe I'll take them to like a nice like brunch brunchy kind of place in which case it would be like some sort of like BLT or like you know some kind of sandwich thing not a huge fan of like pancakes or any of those kind of breakfasty places it's like those are just I love waffles

Waffles are good not every more I mean like it's really similar to pancakes but like I would if I'm going to do waffles, I would like to do that as a homemade thing. I don't like going to restaurants and I'm not a huge fan of like just a bunch of syrup and sugar like first thing in the day, you know?

There's a reason why the word cake is in there. It's literally cake. It's a cake and a pan. Not a huge fan of like IHop or Denny's or any of those things. I might get some hate for this. This might be my most controversial statement. I'm not a pancake man. Just like Just like sandwichy kind of things if I'm going to have a breakfast. But yeah, I generally do not eat breakfast.

Yeah, I'm fairly similar, but my favorite is just some scrambled eggs and some fresh fruit. That's a good way to start the day. I love fruit. Fresh fruit, salad choice. We've been eating a lot of strawberries and pineapple recently. Pineapples awesome. Do you guys hear my dog? Yes, we do.

Yeah, he doesn't like Adam's opinions, clearly. Yeah, he really doesn't like that you don't like pancakes. Oh, no. Let me calm up down. I'll be right there. Sure. Yeah, we'll wait. Yeah, just scrambled eggs and fruits is the go-to for me.

You get your protein and you get some, like, healthy sugars from the fruit to get your day going. Solid choice. So do you have, like, breakfast every day? Not every day is the thing. If I know I'm going to take my dogs out early on, I need to eat something or a thing. Yeah. That's what I'll normally go for, yeah. Yeah.

I'll usually have, like, a snack or something if I'm going to work out. usually my my schedule is so weird like I'll I'll basically start my work like not right away like a little bit later in the day and then just like work basically until I go to bed so like if I do something else before that point it'll be like I don't know like be working out or something that's like the first thing in my day and then you know eat some food and then just like power through editing the rest of the day yeah instead of working and then relaxing usually working is literally what I'm doing right before sleep. It's like relax beforehand, I guess.

You relax when you sleep. Yeah, I kind of do the same, yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Sometimes. Just nightmares every night. Damn. Ralph, do you eat breakfast every day? Yeah.

You gotta eat breakfast every day. Oh, you got to morning right, yeah. Yeah. Don't have waffles every day, though. No? That's not good for you, like you said. Just a bunch of sugar. Yeah.

A bunch of carbs. Yeah, treat yourself. Fruit is good, too, for breakfast. Yeah, I love fruit. I hate fruit. Do you just say you hate it? I prefer eating sugar, but... Well, I hate...

I prefer to eat a bunch of sugar. Oh, well, fruit has sugar in it. I was going to say, again, you found an American. Not enough. Not enough. Not enough processed sugars. Tons of sugar for it to be good, yeah. Some modified corn syrup.

instead of like real sugar High fructose corn syrup Yeah It's in your sodas Oh yeah If I let you guys do that Yeah It's really weird

I don't drink That shit's awful Maybe you'd like it If you were drinking it With a real sugar Yeah maybe Yeah All right

I guess that's it for questions Yeah Good selection I believe it is Ralph's turn To recommend A movie I think It is

I believe so Okay I got a movie right here I'm going to look it up real quick It's a movie called Bad Genius from 2017 It's four I don't know which country Okay, let's see

Looks like Thailand It's really good Okay We will talk about that It is on my watch list already One of the best movies of that year Oh cool Thank awesome

A film by Nathawat Punperia I'm hype That seems right I'm looking at it's like they're cheating on a test the moves about them cheating on a test don't spoil it oh well now I just don't want to watch it anymore you gotta sell it no I mean you don't have to sell it at all this is like the part of the podcast we're gonna watch it whether we want to or not you two are forced to watch it I'm

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