Sardonicast - Sardonicast #58: The Godfather Trilogy

Episode Date: April 20, 2020

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Three, two, one. Gentany. How's my Italian, Ralph? As soon as I heard that in the godfather, I was like, damn, I have a new way to say cheers. Is that the actual just definition is just cheers or is it some other, is there more to it? Yeah, that's fine. Cheers. Okay.

That works. I'm Adam from your movie sex. I'm Ralph from music and a lot of rough moving. And I'm Alex from I, Chi. And I'm ill, everybody. Yeah. Yeah, I think I've got it, guys. It.

I'm sick. Yeah, it, am I allowed to say it? Yeah, I guess so. How do you even broach this? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've got COVID-19. I've got no way to test for Soitin, but it's definitely respiratory, whatever it is. And it seems like a huge coincidence to have the symptoms that I do. Yeah.

This is not a bit, everybody. This is, we were talking about this before we started. Yeah, no, I wouldn't joke about this. Yeah, I wouldn't wish this upon anybody. I can definitely see why it is causing the problems we are currently in because it is horrendous. And I'm pretty sure I'm, if I do have it, it is only a mild version, luckily, because I am only 26.

I'm looking pretty good at the moment. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine. And so you've had symptoms for like about a week or whatever, right? Yeah, it would be a week tomorrow. Because at first I thought a couple days passed and it was seemingly kind of going away.

And I thought, yeah, for most people, it kind of sticks around for at least two weeks before, you know, you get some reprieve. But I have all the symptoms still. Well, some of the symptoms. So I've got to apologize for my voice sometimes. and the more annoying things I'm experiencing is this really strange kind of dizziness or fatigue or I've been describing it like I'm just constantly a bit drunk so if I say anything stupid but I apologize.

All right. And by the way, everybody, we're not forcing him to record this. We were like, hey, you can take a break if you want and he's insisting that we keep doing the podcast. No, no, it's fine. Well, I can sit here and talk about the godfather for a couple hours. It's fine. Not that extreme.

How are you feeling, Ralph? I'm fine, yeah. Compared to Alex, I'm doing great. Okay, rub it in. That's fine. Have you seen any movies? There's no movie news or anything. So, we should just talk about the Godfather.

I mean, there's anything you guys have seen. I've caught a couple Netflix things, but I mean, I'm not going to talk about them by myself if you guys haven't seen them. I saw Tiger King. I saw Beast Stars. Tiger King. I saw the platform. But I don't know.

I'll have like a quickie of those things out in a couple days anyway. Did you watch any of those? No. No. I watched a movie called Turnt. Which was really bad. Oh. Yeah, that was on Netflix or anything.

How was that? But my brother said like the platform was like the next big movie and everyone's watching it. Yeah, I don't know why. It's like the metaphor was really on the nose. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to watch that crap. I'll watch turnt instead. It was way too obvious and way too preachy. And the filming style kind of reminded.

me of like cube in terms of like filming concept take a room and then pretend it's many rooms or whatever but yeah it was just kind of it's kind of dumb it wasn't good and nobody likes the ending yeah it's weird that's what's really weird about it is like every once in a while there'll be this like big foreign horror movie and i'll be like man there's so many better foreign movies out there like and this is the one that everybody's seen right now so strange you think it gets a pass because it is foreign. And it's a horror movie. I think that's more of the past. I think people have low expectations. Yeah, I think it's the horror movie more than anything. I think that's the aspect. And it also pretends to be a lot smarter than it is. So,

oh, right. Okay. I mean, yeah, there's people that might gravitate towards that. But not trying to throw shade. It's okay if you like it. I did not. And even the people that love it don't like the ending. I don't know. The ending was bad. It wasn't like bad compared to the rest of the movie it was just just bad in line yeah all right um i guess godfather unless you want to describe what turnt was because i don't really know anything about it no yeah what's okay what's turn you can't just bring it up and not say it's a movie well i watch it just because the title and i have a million dollar budget and yeah it's like a really it's really cheap really bad movie about like a rapper

who's making an album called Turn and he gets shot on the street. Oh. And like some guy tries to avenge him. It's really dumb. Okay. But it had a cool title. Was it like on a streaming website? It was on Amazon Prime.

That's where I found it for free. And so like I didn't want to judge it too harshly. I heard that South by Southwest is like doing their film festival online through like Amazon Prime or something. But it's only for people in the U.S. I don't know if that's happened already, but you should check it out. Yeah. I've never gone to South by Southwest. Oh shit.

I guess it might have already happened. Oops. No, it says postponed. Okay, well, I don't know. Look it up. Because there might be something like that. That sounds cool. Yeah, it was canceled.

But there's so many movies, I see. Like, Love on a Leash, too. Like, that was on Amazon Prime. A lot of people just put, like, whatever movies on there. They're really weird. And I like checking them out. Dump whatever you want on there. You find some gems.

I've definitely curated a watch list. of things that look terrible on Amazon Prime. I haven't done much watching on Amazon Prime, but I've definitely curated a watch list of things that I might check out in the future. I found like a whole series of like Roblox Machinemas on Amazon Prime. Really?

It's like there's all sorts on there. Yeah, like just anything is on there. Streaming's the future. Yeah, man. And then you have the Amazon Proos shows, which are like hundreds of millions of dollars. And they get like stars. Yeah.

Oscars. And you have that next to Low and a Leach. 10 out of 10. Band from IMDB. All right. You want to introduce the film, Ralph? It was your recommendation. No, it was Alex's friend.

Oh, yeah, it was. Oops. Wow. What, because I'm Italian. Yeah, that's why. I forgot. It's a great movie, though. Alex, go ahead.

Unless you want, we could say it. Well, why don't we take one each, seeing is there, a trilogy and we're doing the whole trilogy so I'll do the first one I can see where this is gone yeah so let's start with the godfather 1972 movie directed by Francis for Coppola how do you say it Coppola Coppola it's Coppola Coppola yeah um yeah based on the uh the novel of the same name written by Mario Puzzo is that right how you say that I don't want to upset anyone Blame the COVID. Which apparently, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, apparently it's so similar to the novel that Francis felt that putting him Mario Putsu saying, what does it say at the beginning? Mario Putsu is the godfather because it is so similar to the novel as a respect thing. But yeah, it's, what is it, it's ranked like the second greatest and most influential things. of all time or something and the so yeah it's number two on the top american film institute 250 and iMdb also yeah on every ranking thing like that yeah and it what is it it's uh it's just behind citizen kane on the american film institute okay it's a lot of people might know it because of i didn't realize there were so many references in the simpsons oh yeah of course yeah loads of references to the godfather it's a godfather reference is utopia really

remind me. It's been a while since I've seen as each other. I think before they go up to like a possum or something and he's like literally just doing the Oh yeah, yeah, he's doing like an impression. Yeah. Wedding or whatever.

Yeah. God, I've forgotten about that. Yeah, that was funny. Marlon Branden. That actually made me laugh in Zootopia. There's like iconic lines in this. Yeah, it's very quote on. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

He's, it's ubiquitous. It's one of those kind of movies where everyone knows it. It's difficult where you sit down to watch it because it is just so famous. It is so highly rated too. There's almost like a pressure. This is actually epic. It has every Italian-American actor of the time, basically, in the trilogy at some point, De Niro and Al Pacino. Yeah. Like, it was crazy.

It has a, from my understanding, a pretty interesting kind of behind the scenes drama too. Oh, yeah. The mob was involved, basically. Really? Yeah. Yeah, you definitely know more than me, Ralph, because this is only my second time seeing it.

The first time I watched it, I must have been 17, and I didn't really get it back then, but I really enjoyed it this time, because I've kind of been on like a mafia movie binge at the moment. I just watched all of the Sopranos. the whole Godfather trilogy. Yeah, I watched Goodfellas again. Madagascar.

Yeah, Madagascar trilogy, all of it. Yeah, I do have a good kind of starting off point for this movie on that note of how just kind of famous and highly rated it is with a question from someone from the Reddit. Okay. Called Kevin Spacey's Garage. I didn't see that name before. Do you think films like The Godfather maintain a title of the greatest film of all time? more because of how influential they are or how well they hold up,

considering the fact that many people will consider mob films that came out after it, like Goodfellas, Casino, Cotty, and the Irishman to be vastly superior. Do you think it should keep that reputation based on influence alone? The Goddy's a joke. Yeah, yeah. Well, a movie like Goodfellas, I love it because it portrays the gangsters as more of, like, sociopaths, and kind of cowardly how they really were, coped up. all the time and this like the godfather these movies were basically at least the first

of them is backed by the mob like the producers were threatened by the mob and they couldn't mention mafia in the movie they call it family and stuff they can't say the word mafia in the first one that's crazy you notice they don't yeah they change a line I forgot like he insults someone and calls him like a a guinea wop uh mafioso and they changed the line to something else in the final movie I had no idea they just didn't want anything involvement yeah and it makes sense they didn't want publicity they're the mafia so it was scary yeah of course that went away over time that would be a really intimidating the movies like infamous for that and also because they worked with the mafia they had a lot of

authentic locations and they got to shoot wherever they wanted um within little italy and all these areas that they actually operated in so it added a level of authenticity that made the movie what it is made it so great that's crazy yeah and on top of all that There was a lot of drama with the studio, not really trusting Coppola. They didn't give him any money either. Yeah, and they didn't trust his decisions. And I was reading that Francis was, he was almost acting like a godfather, being the director and, like, firing people and, like, basically having to fight to get the film made in the way he wanted to be made. And clearly it paid off in the end with how it came together.

Yeah, he made them an offer they couldn't refuse. Yeah, exactly. I guess to kind of answer that question, I think that having influence does play a major role in terms of how well a film is received, you know, in like a test of time sort of thing. If a movie isn't starting something, if it isn't doing something new or at least setting a new trend or setting a trend that becomes widely popular and leaving a lot of, influence as it goes, if it's not doing that, chances are it's not going to be considered one of the great classics or anything. You could have like better versions of diehard, but there's a reason why diehard is so well remembered. It's because it started a trend. Honestly, I'm not really sure if many people do consider, you know, casino, the Irishman to be better than the Godfather.

The debate that I've heard normally is between Govellers and Godfather, but I don't think think you'd have good villas without godfather so just on that alone yeah makes sense but and also i think it really does it i think it is as good as they say i was really impressed with um the the epic scale of it and it's a long movie it's what three hours long yeah the second one's three hours and 20 minutes yeah and whereas in the second and third i i kind of noticed that a bit more but I thought the first movie was really well-paced, and I really liked the kind of scene construction and the excitement and tension of it all.

I think it really, it is very well made and holds up really well. To me, it felt kind of like it was two movies and one, and not criticizing the length or anything, but pacing-wise, it was like it felt like there was a clear end of the first half and then beginning to the second half sort of thing, where, like, realistically, it could have been, been like a part one and part two sort of film like it could have been two different things and it would have been like okay this makes sense i'm glad it wasn't like it works just fine as one

whole movie but yeah pacing wise it it seemed like it was two films basically yeah it's like an a plot and a b plot that carries over into all of them i love the length of it there's the opening wedding scene that goes on for a long time it took like a week to shoot and there's like 700 extras. That was epic. That's like truly epic to me. Not Aquaman. That scene was one where when I watched this movie younger version of myself watched this movie.

I really didn't get much out of it at all. But watching it, you know, last week, I got a lot more out of it just in terms of like tone and like character development. There were a lot of like interesting character moments within that scene. scene and it was like okay i get what you're setting up here i get the ideas and the overall atmosphere being set up and just that alone was able to get me into the movie in that sense whereas like i don't know how old i was when i first watched this movie i think it was probably like 10 years ago or something but i just kind of watched that scene was like huh nothing's happening yet but yeah it's definitely a different experience i exactly agree with that as an adult

yeah yeah because you got all these little details like there's that guy who's that guy who's was practicing his speech before going in to see Vito because he's just so terrified. And apparently that was when he stumbles on his line when he's talking to Vito, that was because he was so, the actual actor was so frightened of acting with Marlon Brando that he messed up his line. Perfect. And he went back and wrote in the practicing scene. Oh, that's great.

Afterwards. Which is great. Which makes it feel, yeah, really genuine. Yeah, I really like that. When you flub your line and you get extra screen time because of it. Yeah. What a gig. Yeah, well, it was a great moment, too. I can't believe I forgot his name.

Joey. Yeah, they're all named Joey and Sal, Carla. Yeah. I was going to say, the hit scenes in this are epic. I don't know what other words are at this point. You know, the hit scenes are great. I think they're like the best parts of the movie, like when Don Corleone is attacked in the fruit market.

That was an iconic moment. Al Pacino shooting the cop and the other guy in the restaurant. That whole sequence was just excellent. That was my favorite. They didn't translate the Italian at all, which I saw some people on the Sarnana cast Reddit. But I, you know, some people were like, it's because Al Pacino wasn't listening to him at all. You know, like, it was just going right through him. Yeah.

I was thinking about was killing him. Like, I liked the meeting there by not putting the subtitles. Every other scene was translated, but there's an interesting choice. I figured it was intentional, though. Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too. The hit scenes are certainly iconic, that's for sure. They're all very memorable.

I really enjoyed the tension building and the soundtrack, and just the way things flowed, especially with the hospital scene, and what's his face shows up, and he wants to help, and he gets him to pretend that there's, like, a gun in his coat. By the way, spoiler discussion, everybody. I don't know if we mentioned that. I don't think we did, but... Spoiler discussion for all.

all these all three of these movies yeah oh oh no i've given it to you i'm so sorry shit i didn't say we could get it through our computers god damn it discord's infected it's evolved oh god yeah there's uh every single action moment felt very mature it didn't feel like cheesy or like gratuitous or over the top and also the the effects for the gunshot wounds and like the blood and all that. I think it worked really well, especially for the time. Yeah, because wasn't that something that was pressured by the studio was they wanted the film to have a wide as appeal as possible.

So they kind of pressured the direct to have as much violence as possible because, you know, that's what sells movies. Apparently the scene where the wife smashes up the kitchen, breaking every plate, was added in after the fact to kind of, of appease the producers and impress the ones with the money was that in the first one yeah right am I wrong I don't remember it's a blur yeah I watched them all in like a row so it is just just the goal for the blur but I'm pretty sure that is in the first movie there's also a cut of all of them in order like including the second one oh interesting it's the ultimate cut oh really yeah

I don't I've never seen that chronological godfather movie yeah I feel like that takes a lot away from how they're structured. I'm sure, but it would be at least interesting. I guess it would be cool to see them. Yeah, definitely interesting to see. I want to see a chronological saw series. That would be the best one. No sense.

Oh, no. I could edit that together. I could make that. It would be a long movie and very fun. I'm surprised, like, even this movie, I'm surprised the mob was okay with it because of the amount of violence, how the mob is presented in this through some bad things Yeah, I couldn't tell you Deal heroin

Like that's all mentioned And also how they gave it to poor neighborhoods They kind of take like a A virtuous kind of stance against the drug thing in this one Don't they? They're like no Yeah, I guess you're right Don't Corleone does

He's like we're remaining traditional Uh huh don't sell it to the kids I don't want it in schools Yeah so they're like the good guys It is definitely romanticized Compared to later movies especially the fact they don't say mafia at all they say it in the second one

the police call them the mafia or the guy in the courtroom such an interesting choice yeah I don't know a lot about the behind the scene stuff I figured you guys would probably have that information it's definitely what it's really interesting because yeah there was there was a fair amount of controversy after the film came out about this very subject

about is it you know like a stereotypical depiction that's doing more harm than good and there's a whole there are multiple like B plots in the Sopranos about that very thing, about like, is this all just like, is this doing anyone any good depicting, you know, this way? Yeah, exactly. The unions would protest because they wanted like an image of Italian Americans that was not the mafia, you know, they wanted to get away from gangsters and movies like this kind

of promoted that kind of stereotype they saw it. Yeah, and I was reading some like real life, you know, gangsters. After they saw the movie, they were like, blood. away by it because it was just like their lives on the screen. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, so it was kind of romanticized by them for after that point. What does what does Vafengul mean? Do you know, Ralph?

That I don't know. Okay. I was just headed to my notes. Vahangul! Interesting words. Yeah, we haven't really mentioned the heart of the movie, which is Al Pacino's characters kind of arc of going from like a reluctant person in the family to embracing the was that idea of the

power you know you draw onto the power and and it kind of corrupting innocence and that kind of idea that that's the heart with him changing into where he takes over at the end as the the don or whatever yeah i would i would agree with you what the story's about for sure yeah the family kind of sucks him in it's a great movie about family unlike the last j Jedi or something like that. Like Fast and Furious. It's about family. What he's just saying?

This is family. Family. Because the family, like, he's trying to do a legitimate thing. He's trying to live his own life. He has his own girlfriend. But his family is part of this mafia. And their situation is so bad that they start like, their lives are in danger. And what is you going to do?

He has to come in and help him because that's because it's his family. Mm-hmm. And that life kind of like just, it destroys him. the end but he gets sucked into it even though he really had every good intention in the world yeah be a good guy and to go straight it's it's very sad yeah it is a tragedy yeah i really enjoyed the like visual sort of transformation as well like it helped make the character transformation that much more apparent um like in in the wedding scene at the beginning like when you see him line up for the the photo with his family it's like wow this he's dressed entire

different than everyone else there. And that's kind of like a nice little visual to sort of solidify the difference in character dynamics. And then that scene where Kay sees him after so long and he's got like the full like mobster suit or whatever. And you can tell that he's just like a completely different changed person. And the costumes really help bring that point forward. I love how he kind of lies to himself.

What does he say? in five years this business will be legitimate. He says that to Kay, doesn't he, to try and calm her because she obviously has problems with what he's doing. And it comes back later in part two in a really nice roundabout way. Yeah, that kind of hammers home, the idea of the movie. Do you think he didn't mean that?

Because I thought he wanted to go legit. I think that's how he was justifying what he was doing in his own kind of psyche. Right. Yeah. Yeah, he was convincing himself to some degree. Yeah, exactly. because we see it obviously

it's not legitimate in five years that's like a huge part of part two and what happens there if it was and just like Godfather Part 2 it's like

we got an ice cream truck business just really chill yeah it's funny yeah the character transformation aspect is why I enjoyed

this particular movie so much and I mean yeah I guess I'm just gonna say it now I enjoyed this one more than the other two this one would be my favorite I know that a lot of people consider the second one to be better I think or at least there's a decent amount some people yeah yeah the character transformation aspect really really helped with this one and I thought that it had the best pacing too yeah for a long movie it doesn't really feel like it doesn't really feel like it drags on or anything and every moment of the film feels more or less justified in terms of it building on the ideas that it's presenting and building on the characters it's showing. It's not just throwaway moments like you're

actually developing things in the story and the characters. Like you see the juxtaposition between how people are reacting in the opening scene when they're asking a veto for these favors. And you see this stark contrast between the first guy that asks him and how he's like, oh, you come to me after blah, blah, blah, you don't even treat me like family, blah, blah, and just like the dynamic and how they interact with each other versus the next person that shows up and, you know, not only the request, but just how these characters view each other. And you see this nice range and you understand these dynamics better. Like, that's really what I got out of, this movie watching it as an adult was a much better understanding of like the dynamics in the

film and that really helped the experience for like the story it was trying to tell. Like if you understand the dynamics of everything going on, then it's like, okay, that makes it just so much better. I feel like there might be in terms of like what didn't help my first watch when I was younger, I feel like there might be like too many characters that might have influenced my ability to follow what was going on. the first time I watched it. Yeah.

The second time, it was a lot easier to understand what was going on. But I have to admit, you know, like there's some moments where it's just like, somebody dies and it's just like, oh, who was that? Like, you know? Yeah, I'd have two recommendations. I would say definitely watch with subtitles. It really helps follow along what's happening. And don't be afraid to Google like a character.

character's name, we'll have the IMDB up so you can see, oh, that was, that was that character. There's a lot going on. Just so you can keep, yeah, it's incredibly dense in that way. It also starts that thing the whole trilogy does where the kind of structure, the movies all kind of is set around these, these like huge events, whether it be like it starts with the wedding, there's the funeral towards the end and the baptism too. Oh, yeah. Which is like a really good way of, yeah, where it's cutting between the murders.

Yeah, yeah. There's some really good stuff like that, really expressive kind of visual storytelling about having to, you know, over-explain anything. It's all very clear from what they're showing. I was reading afterwards that apparently oranges in this franchise foreshadow, some kind of death or trauma that's coming up. Interesting. When Vito, I really like that scene where the Vito shows. a bit of vulnerability with the grand kid and he has the

orange in his mouth and that's when he has his heart attack and perishes. Yeah, it's a great scene. Lots of great scenes. What did you think of Marlon Brando in the film? He's the most iconic part. That's for sure worth mentioning. Yeah, it's such a wild and out there

character interpretation that you would think that a lot of people trying it wouldn't work, but it really, really worked with that. immediately you think it's like comedic or something but it works in the movie it's comedic when people imitate it because it's so iconic yeah it's very ambitious

there's nothing about the movie yeah in the movie it works really well yeah because they sell that he means business you know they show very early on with that horsehead scene that you do not fuck with this guy like he means what he says but he also has that kind of like honor code you know he's he has his own set of morals and that's what is so interesting about all this kind of mob stories is the They just live in a completely different world. They do abide.

They don't abide by the law, and they do just live by their own rules within, you know, the structure of everything else. And that's inevitably what leads to the decline because it just can't exist in society in the way that it does. Yeah. Their own set of principles. So did they, did they, like, did they poison the guy before the horsehead thing? Or were they just really quiet? The guy's a really heavy sleeper. Oh, like knock him out?

I don't know. He was just sleeping. Yeah. You're not supposed to think about it. In the middle of the night, they came in with a giant horse head. He was just like soaked. I love how pretentious his fucking bed set is. Just like the gold pillowcases and shit.

Like, holy fuck. Who's that for? What an asshole. Yeah, that was a sequence that closed some drama behind the scenes. Oh, yeah. I think it was. Frank Sinatra. He thought the character was based on him.

He got very upset about it. That's great. That would make sense. I love it when people get upset about characters they think are based off of them. It just seems like you're projecting. I forget which character it was, but Lindsay Lohan did that once to some movie. She's like, you're just supposed to be Lindsay Lohan, and I demand royalties. And it's like, what?

Oh, that was for the GTA-5 cover with the, like, woman. Yeah. A bikini. Just like... Yeah. Okay. That's my likeness. Like, what?

Yeah. That just draws attention to it. Yeah. Not everything's about you. Calm down. There were some really great shots in this movie, too. I particularly enjoyed the one where the guy gets strangled in the car and his feet break through the windshield towards the camera as the vehicle drives away.

And just the vehicle driving away within that. shot just adds like another layer of like coordination to it where it's just like oh okay wow like this is a very well coordinated well thought out shot and it works very well yeah they pulled it off the opening shot like the zoom out even when don corleone's assassinated in the street there was like a bird's eye view shot that was really cool it was like a god's eye point of view or something it was yeah they put a lot of thought into it also was way darker like the cinematography is really dark there's like lots of eye shadow and people are like

there's scenes that are totally in shadow and like black. The studio thought the movie was totally unreleasable because of that. No, that's what makes it so good. It really emphasizes the kind of shadiness of it and the contrast of those white colors of the black suits.

I think it's really effective. Uh-huh. It was clearly a stylistic choice. It wasn't like an accident. The movie was like that. That was really orange and really dark. Yeah. But yeah, the studio fucking hated that.

Another decision. And they were like, we can't release it. this. It's always so fascinating when studios are just like, this sucks, this will never work, and then it becomes like the most popular thing that they've released and it's just like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

And they just ruin things with like test screenings or whatever and just chop it up like fuck. Oh yeah, yeah, apparently even though they were breathing down his neck for the whole production, he still delivered it on time and under budget so they were just freaking out for nothing really.

That's hilarious. And I'm pretty sure it was at the time like the the most successful film you know ever released so it was basically the fucking avengers at the time yeah it was like the irishman kind of like all the italian guys get together make a movie yeah yeah because it went through so many different directors um yeah it was a really troubled production and i i think that's what led to this one being the best of the trilogy because we've we've talked about this before where when when like art has to be made through such you know, trials and tribulations.

If it does work out, it tends to lean to it being quite special. If it is able to overcome the restraints. Because, you know, as you see, the more power and freedom that the crew is given, they, you know, there is a gradual decline, in my opinion. After this point. I also, I think Robert DeVall is great in these, is Tom. But he's not in the third one, and the movie really misses him. And the same thing with the second one, you don't have Marlon Brando in that as Don Corleone.

You have a, or Vito, actually, you have Robert De Niro playing him. And De Niro's great, but it's sorely missed, like the iconic, you know, Don Corleone. Yeah, Brando played. I agree. Because he was supposed to be, he was supposed to be in it, but he just didn't show up on the, on the sheeting day, I believe, because he felt he was so slighted by the studio or something like that. but Paramount, I think. I want to mention before we start talking about the other Godfather movies, I really

enjoyed the sound design, not just the score, which is obviously like iconic and memorable. It's very pop culture, obviously. It's like, you've already have it memorized before you've even seen it, but like even during the more like

subtly tense scenes, where it wasn't necessarily the main theme of the film music-wise. Not just the soundtrack, but they had like these noises of, I think it was like the train or whatever going. Yeah. Yeah.

And it kind of like added this weird sense of rhythm and really built up the tension in an interesting way. Really enjoyed the sound design. Yeah. When he's walking out of the bathroom with a gun. Yeah. No, that's what I mean by just what I like so much about the scene construction of the movie. It is pace so well.

the restaurant scene the horsehead scene the the car blowing up scene like there is so much quick set up and payoff within the constraints of all these different scenes it it is just masterfully done um and i don't think it is ever quite captured in that same kind of intensity and with that pacing after this movie in the trilogy anyway yep i agree only other thing I didn't mention in my notes is just how big that fucking cake is at the beginning. It's way too tall. How do you even cut that shit? I can't not mention that. What the hell was that cake?

You gotta get like a ladder for someone to cut the fucking cake. What is that? It's so excessive. It did look like a pretty fun wedding though to be fair. They love their cakes. Yeah, it was a really like authentic Italian wedding. Even in the second movie he has a cake and he gives it to the waiter. He's like, show it around to everybody. and he shows everyone individually the cake.

Italians love their desserts and their pastries. All right, yeah, final thoughts on part one. It's great. It's pretty much as good as movies get, I think. So, like, five out of five if I had to give it a rating. We're 10 out of time. Yeah, I'm on the same level. I think it is massively made.

Five stars. And I'm giving this one a great, out of ten it's it's uh eight out of ten uh it could it could move up to a nine for sure like i said really love the character transformation love a lot about it sound design a lot of great shots well-paced obviously very influential but i'm not i'm not a huge fan personally of uh mafia movies in general like mobster like i it's it's like a genre where i'm like not it doesn't like speak to me as much as like some other genres of films, which is why I really got a lot out of this

just from the character transformation aspect. If that aspect wasn't in the film, I would still think it's a great movie technically in pretty much every way, but it wouldn't connect with me as much as it did if that aspect wasn't there. That's what I really, really got out of it in terms of like a personal movie watching experience.

So yeah, 8 out of 10 for now. Could be, could get higher another, if I watch it again, you know. All right. Who's introducing part two? I guess I'll talk about it. Yeah, you do. Briefly.

It continues on following Michael Corleone, played by Al Pacino. But also in this film, it follows Vito Corleone as a kid and then as a young man living in Hell's Kitchen in the early 1900s. And that's basically the two plot lines going on at the same time. Michael's trying to find a traitor within the family as well So he's going on like a murderous rampage and it starts basically a little war within the family And that's basically what's happening It focuses more on like a What's the brother's name who becomes the villain?

Fuck, what is his name? Fredo Fredo Yeah, Al Frado I was going to call Frodo Yeah, that's called Frodo But I love that that dynamic he has has with his brother in this because he is Michael clearly has way more power than him

but he also doesn't want to use it against him because it's his brother and it's his family and so there was this interesting like I know this guy's fucking me over and I have to kill him but I can't because he's my blood and there's like even a line he's this don't don't do anything to him until my mom is dead yeah so it's like it's not even him that wants him alive not while she's not while she's alive because it's just for her like after that I don't give a fuck what happens to him. That was really, it shows his

character at that point. It was really fucked up. What was the reasoning for the older brother being skipped over and the power going straight to El Pacino? Was it just because he acted? He like was more proactive. He said his life in the hospital in the first movie. That might have been it.

Yeah, I assumed it was that. Yeah. I don't even know Frato's there in that meeting. When he like gives all the power to him. I forgot. Yeah. I just I just interpreted it, like, from the first movie when Marlon Brando, like, smiles while he's, like, in the hospital bed. I just, I figured that was, like, a moment where he was like, ah, you're part of the family. Like, I sort of expected, like, that would be how the power would be given to him, in a sense.

It was just from his decision. He's the most competent one, too. He got a college education and everything. Like, Frato, they see him as an idiot. They totally like dying him, which is partly why he betrays the family. But it was really sad. Like, there was the scene. when he's in that chair

and he's like, I'm the smart one, I'm smart. And he's like leading against this chair and he looks so weak and pathetic. He's like pathetic, yeah. And Alperchino's stand in there. Yeah, it's brilliant though. You think I'm a screw up. I was just thinking of onward.

I'm smart. I can do things. It's like, yeah, you can't. I guess that is what will define for you whether you prefer part one or part two because I'm kind of with Adam where I really like the kind of fall of the character of Alperchino's character from the first movie and this one's more about that that family falling apart it's about yeah the family

losing starting to lose its respect and just kind of crumble yeah it's the end of the family but also the very start of it with Robert De Niro and all his stuff yeah yeah and personally I I really liked all of the um Apuccino kind of flashback scenes um that those are my my definite like favorite scenes in the movie aside from the the brother interactions because while I thought part two was very, very good, I did feel like it sagged a little bit in the middle with the Cuban Revolution segment. I don't know what it was about that part for me

where it lost a bit of momentum and I couldn't help but directly contrast it with the first movie where it was like, I didn't feel like it was dragging at any point in the first movie, but around that point, especially with how long part two is, especially with how it does get a lot more complicated

like the first movie is dense with its story and trying to keep up with all the characters and the plot and the relationships with everyone and it gets even more complicated in part two so it might just be a case of like with the first movie where I've seen that movie twice now and it's a bit more clear and easy to understand in my head maybe I need to see part two again

because that's another thing I was reading about was when part two originally released it wasn't as highly regarded as it is now. There was way more of a disparity between what people thought about it. It was like half people thought it was just nothing about the first movie and the other half thought it was much better. Yeah. And there's definitely something to explore. People probably had very high expectations for it too.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, how do you follow up the best movie of all time? Yeah. Did you mean to say De Niro flashback scenes? Because he said El Pacino flashback scenes. Oh, sorry, yeah, De Niro. I honestly confused them all the time. And it took me a long time.

Like, it was about halfway through this movie where I realized that it was actually De Niro and not Al Pacino playing, like, the younger Vito. Yeah, like, just in that time period, just the younger versions of themselves, they look way too similar. And I get them confused all the time. Current Pacino and De Niro, very easy to distinguish. But the younger versions, like, they looked. way too similar.

And I was confused, but I figured it out. I figured it out eventually. It was really good casting. I really liked De Niro's commitment to... He barely has any dialogue in English, even. It's mostly in Italian, which I really respect, because it really adds to the voice...

Yeah, yeah. They mentioned that, like, he can't speak at nine years old at the beginning of the film. So it's like, is that... Was that just her way of trying to, like, convince them not to go after him or is that like speech impediment sort of trying to be used to describe or explain why uh veto winds up talking so weird that like kind of it must be something like

it couldn't have been a lie from the mother because they have that whole scene where he's kind of in the immigration office and he doesn't say a word does he oh yeah so she must have been telling the truth yeah he's like mute or maybe they told them not to say anything well i mean history. If anyone found out who he really was, he would be killed. Yeah, that too. You get better child performances when they don't open their mouths. That's true. That's actually a good thing about the movie that the children don't talk. You probably take a lot out of it. Something I, because we see a lot of sequels and a lot of sequels are bad. This is one that feels like it's a natural extension of the first one. And it actually explores things that are interesting and you want to

learn about. You want to learn what happens to this family afterward. And you want to learn about Vito's past and all that. All that's interesting. It doesn't feel forced or shoehorned. Yeah. So I did like, the writing is still really good. It still looks great. Like, all the acting is great. It's a high caliber movie. Yeah, there was certainly a lot left to explore that they could dive into for this movie. It did feel like earned in a way. It didn't feel like unjustified. like they were, don't leave no stone unturned, trying to figure out how to stretch the story out or anything like that. There was a lot that they could do with it. And I'm glad that they went, you know, back in time and also continued the story forwards.

Yeah, and there were parallels, definitely between their arcs and what Fido was going through, the Michael. Yeah, it's incredibly ambitious to basically have these two movies in one. because the plots aren't they're not like directly related to each other aside from that is the same family like it's not essential to know one to understand the other or anything like that they so you can you could kind of watch them independently of each other but they they do work as the one rising and one falling type thing because it is really satisfying especially to see veto kind of outsmart the uh that smarmy guy i can't remember his name the guy in the white hat yeah yeah I found that to be quite satisfying yeah that was really cool that whole subplot was really cool yeah yeah there's a lot going on in this movie too even more than the first one it seems in terms of like different ideas being communicated they have that whole like courtroom scene you know and like the guy being interrogated for being like a hitman and the lawyer just giving those the best reactions like as he's talking and The one guy he's like, yeah, I just made up my sworn statement just to please the FBI guys.

He's smoking a cigar. You had an affidavit. And they were so mad. It was pretty funny. I like that part. And there's the whole relationship with Alperino's wife. Yeah, K, with the main point of drama being when she reveals that she had an abortion because she despises him so much that she couldn't bear. She couldn't bear to bear another child from him, which is quite a good scene that they have a bit of a showdown.

Yeah, it seemed in a way that they were trying to kind of bring back the same energy as like the scene near the end of the first one. I really love how the first movie ended too. I thought that that was fantastic in terms of just like how to wrap things up while leaving it, you know, open ended and having you think about things. and yeah there was a lot more to explore about that in this movie although I do feel like it was kind of hitting the same beats in a way it felt like they were just bringing that back rather than doing something like completely new with it

and yeah I like the twist for sure I like that it's revealed that she aborted the child but yeah it does feel like kind of a almost repetitive in a way like it's great performance scenes for sure but it does feel like I felt more that way about the third one. Their dynamic in the third one. This one, I think seeing the end of their relationship like

that was fine. I enjoyed seeing it. Like, I don't think it was repetitive. Well, you know, the original idea for the movie was that Al Pacino's arc was going to be his death in the movie. And contrasted with the rise of veto, which I kind of like the idea

more of, because then you wouldn't need Godfather part three. I mean, it would have been kind of cool. if they had embraced that. You don't need godfather for three other way. Right. Like even the dynamic with Kay, like it's pretty much ended in this.

He was grounded to reality through her, basically, and to like a normal life. And once she's gone, it's like, all right, all the bets are off. But there was nowhere else to go with that, really, aside from him feeling guilty about it, about how poorly he was as a husband. But that's it.

Yeah. It's like, okay. Yeah, because Coppola describes part one and part two, as the real story and then part three is like an epilogue it's like what what it's a strange way to structure a trilogy because you're basically admitting that the third part is just not as important that one is way more of a character piece just about Al Pacino or Michael like the rest of them are about the family

they focus on other characters and they focus on the sister and his brothers that one's just about him really well yeah it's weird it didn't really have a B plot. Yeah, we'll get to, that one didn't really have a B plot, like the rest of them had. I really, I enjoyed how this film started in terms of like setting things up. Like, it didn't need to explain every little thing that happened in between. I thought that it was really interesting to have Michael's sister coming to him for money. Like, that was an interesting dynamic to set things up on. Yeah. It's a nice start to the movie where it's like, okay, yeah, I, I, understand what's happening here it's it starts differently too like it's not the same movie again

they go to italy in the beginning and you see like all that stuff the back story yeah i loved i loved everything in italy and his revenge later on all that was really interesting yeah a lot of the same technical aspects still really well done the the the bullet wounds and gunshots and everything were i thought very well done soundtrack was great it was like a well shot i hit gone wrong, like, in a bar and a police officer walks in? I thought that seems just crazy. And it devolves into a shootout, like, in the street, and the

guy gets hit by a car. I love that. I love that was epic. Perhaps this might have been just because I watched them, like, one, pretty much directly after each other. Like, one day and then the next day, like, part one and then part two.

The day after. But it almost felt kind of, like, after a while, just a little bit comical just how many characters were strangled from behind. You have so many different instances of that happening, especially in the first two movies, that by the time the second movie was happening, we're like halfway into the movie or whatever, and like, you guys got like the coat hanger strangling from behind and like blah, blah, blah, blah. So many different scenarios that like every single scene I watched, I apologize if this offends anybody, but like every single scene I watched,

I just I kept cracking up thinking of like oh what if somebody just comes behind them and strangles them at this moment Like every single character on screen I was just thinking like Expecting them to get strangled from behind just like some random guy show up like regardless of context like any given scene I find that I found that pretty funny it was pretty amusing for me Because it happened so many times it was like a punchline after a certain point Just like It's a popular way of killing people. Yeah, it's pretty efficient.

Pretty efficient, yeah. They had to change it up a little bit. Do you think this film stands on its own, though? Yeah, I think so. I think so. I guess the only thing that's kind of holding it back is the veto's not in the movie as an, like, an older version. So half of the movie, like, you'd have no context for... That's who that guy is, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I would argue that it, I mean, it's still a great. movie, but I probably wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much on its own without the first one, because the first movie is what made me care about the characters. That whole character transformation and arc is what really got me to care about the main character, especially, and even K and some of the other characters. Without the first movie, I'm not, like, if this was like the first introduction to these characters, I wouldn't have that same emotional connection to what's happening. I wouldn't really care as much about what's going on.

And I think that with that set up initially, that really helps the experience. Yeah, to me it would be like starting with season two of a show. Like, it is such a continuation. Like, I really think the first one's essential. And you can't, I can't imagine just putting on the Godfather part two. I feel like I would have to kind of do a double bill. Yeah. Yeah, still great.

Just didn't have as much for me in terms of like a personal, connection to the movie. The technical aspects are all things that I appreciated, but there's no real hook for me from like a character perspective. Because I felt like even though certainly there is a journey of this character in this movie, I mean, most of the journey was done in part one. And that's what I was really attached to was this character transformation thing. And it felt like, although, yeah, to some degree, he was still transforming.

in ways. It just wasn't as extreme. Yeah. You're saying exactly what I'm thinking. Like, I think we're on the exact same page for these first two movies. Yeah, it is exceptionally made,

but yeah, I don't have that same connection. And I don't think it's quite as memorable just in terms of like that scene structure from the first movie and just the iconic lines and everything. I don't think it's quite on the same level. Yeah, reading through my notes. It's like I remember all these scenes reading them, but like I don't need to do that for the first movie The first movie is like itched in my brain when I think the godfather

I'm thinking of like all these classic scenes from the first film I'm not really thinking about the second one It's like a nice addition to the story in my opinion, but Yeah, not nearly as memorable. Yeah, I feel the exact same way What about you Ralph? I don't feel that way What would you give it out of ten? Me? I'd give it a ten out of ten. I think it's just as good as the first one.

I honestly feel like it's a natural extension of everything that first one started. It's one of the best sequels, I think. Yeah. Up there with Toy Story 2 or The Lord of the Rings. It felt like, yeah, again, just natural part of the story. I agree. It felt like a natural extension. but it still felt like an extension in a way I felt like most of what I loved like

DLC yeah and it's like it's nice DLC it's like if you like if you like the thing and you want more of it there's more of the thing but like the hook for me every everything that would get me interested in watching the DLC in the first place everything that was established is all found within the first movie more or less for me eight out of ten from me same rating just like very different emotional experience in my opinion yeah it is like a

really good expansion like you're right there's nothing I really disliked about the movie aside from I just don't think it's as tight as the first one which is like it's still really high praise I'm just trying to pinpoint what it is about the second one that didn't leave me loving it in the same way

I did the first so I still give it I'm torn between a four stars or a four and a half stars I think I'm thing I'm going to settle on four for now. It might change upon re-watching it for a second time, because again, this is only my first time seeing it, so. Okay. And I guess, uh, I guess I, I'll introduce part three.

Here we go. Part three. The Godfather part three is bad. It's not good. It's, uh, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, I, it's, you know, I, it's fucking check. So early into this movie It's like It's made way later than the rest of the two

It's like the first two were made in the 70s This one's made 1990 Yeah it feels like a really unnecessary addition To the story It's it's a Kind of like a cash grab Honestly yeah

That's what it feels like And Francis Ford Coppola Decided to throw his daughter Sophia into a major role in the film and she can't act for shit and it's really annoying. She's really terrible. She's like the worst fucking thing.

She's fucking awful. Like I learn what that character actually has to do. It's a very strange subloat. Can we talk about how fucking weird it is to write your own daughter into like an incest plot in your film? Can we talk about how weird that is? Incredibly strange.

And they kept reaffirming that their cousins. Every fucking line that they were saying in that movie was like, Yeah, because you're my cousin, right? Yes, I am your cousin. And it was still like, we love each other and we're cousins. That was like the whole, that was everything that those two characters did. I don't understand the point of it. Weird, Francis.

Like the family thing is like a family, like, oh, they're in the family. So it's okay. It's about family. It's really about family in this way. They try to justify, don't they? Yeah, there's a lot about the morality of the movie that I thought. was weird like this one clearly is trying to sympathize more with with Michael like you're supposed to feel bad for him because he feels bad now and what he loses that's what the plot's about I guess

but it's it doesn't earn that like the first two they demonize the mafia too even though they they supported it but like in the second movie they they grill Michael in court and they're like you're dishonest you're criminal you've killed people and his wife too like he's not he doesn't demand sympathy from the audience like this movie does and it's obnoxious yeah robs the subtlety from the character because he is such a like an intimidating force by the end

of that second movie you just really don't see him going to church and like crying to a to a priest in confession is really strange I really don't buy that character doing that it insists upon himself character like Peter Griffiths

yeah I can't say that without thinking of him now It insists upon itself, Lois. But he's not only just upset about it, but he's actively seeking redemption, which is such a strange angle to take. Because as viewers, we know all the stuff he's done. Like, what could he possibly do to redeem it? Like, because that's kind of the plot of the movie is he starts giving huge sums of money to, like, charities and churches and stuff as a kind of way to, I guess, virtue signal. He's like, he's like a brace in season. season three of 13 reasons why.

Exactly, yeah. That was on my mind, obviously. It's like, yeah, it's a really unsubtle, clumsy way of trying to end that character art because I keep bringing up the Sopranos, but the main character is really similar in the way he's like a messed up mob boss, but they never go that route and they make it way more realistic and complex. And they let the audience decide. really like what to take away from the character instead of trying to be like okay now let's make him sympathetic

and yeah he does have a heart and it it really does ring hollow from that kind of angle i feel less upset about the direction that they took the character and more upset about how it was presented i think that the presentation of this film is just really awful all things like not not just like the the level of subtlety in terms of like what they're trying to communicate and just the clumsiness of how they're communicating ideas. But also, like, even, like, the technical aspects of the film, we already mentioned the acting. A lot of the acting's bad. Sophia Coppola is, like, easily the worst actor in the movie, and she gets lots of screen time, and it's really annoying. But a lot of the other actors are also just fucking really

underperformed. Like, they don't seem into it. Like, it doesn't seem like they rehearsed, seem like they were just kind of, like, reading through the script at certain points. Like, a lot of the characters just felt like poorly defined and everything was just clumsy. Like it felt like we went into the quality of like a TV performance for this movie. Yeah. It felt like it was TV actors from the 90s. One thing I like about the first one is Al Pacino was very subtle in it. He wasn't yelling like every five seconds.

He wasn't his Al Pacino-E as much as he was in the second and third one when he starts to go on these long monologues and yell. And this one, it's really silly. Yeah. It's incredibly goofy. What you said about the action being mature. There's a hit scene in this where they're eating dinner and like a helicopter comes in out of nowhere and starts machine guns on them like It starts shooting everybody in the moon. It's fucking crazy

Yeah, it's like ridiculous I'm like what the fuck is going on? This is the mafia. It's not like the CIA Yeah Like that's ridiculous You thought those hit scenes were cool in those other movies you loved? Well, this one's even bigger We got more explosions and we got a man who really loves his lucky coat and he's gonna fucking die while he's yelling about his lucky coat. This is my lucky coat. But then Al Pacino, he just runs out.

He just runs out of the building. It didn't really work very well. There was no result or like stakes or it didn't nothing happened because of that. It was like this completely over the top moment. It felt like it belonged in like a diehard sequel. It was like diehard four kind of shit. It didn't feel like it belonged in the godfather.

Yeah. Like all the subtlety is just thrown out the window. That window in this movie. What actually is the story of the movie? He feels bad. Like I got so. so lost. The character feels bad now, and that's pretty much the story. Like, it's, I checked out so early. He's trying to make a manse with everybody. I just, I could not get invested in this story at all.

It was very early on into the movie where I was just like, not doing it. Yeah. Once you get to that opera scene towards the end, like, I, I just had no idea who was who and why people were getting knocked off and what was important about it. Yeah. It was so repetitive. It was so much like the first two with that the hit scene at the end it starts with a wedding it's like yeah right with the same nonsense come on they're very clearly trying to recapture a lot of the same emotions from the successful moments of the other two films but there's nothing that earns it from the old ones too oh yeah that's so weird like that that flashback at the beginning like oh yeah remember i killed alfredo or whatever it's like i don't know there's there's stuff in the movie that that literally just says it

anyway you don't even need that flashback but going back to that that The opera scene at the end is just like it's so laughably bad. It's so embarrassing how hard that they try to try and recapture that same sort of like It's like they were trying to do that like juxtaposition with like the baptism and the killings of the other film Or like even when they were building up the scene and they're very clearly trying to do this like slower kind of like tension building in the opera scene and And it's fine for the first little bit.

I thought it might get a little interesting, but then five minutes go by. I'm just, fucking shoot each other. Shoot each other already. It was just, it was testing my patience after a certain point because it wasn't earning anything that it was doing.

And it was very annoying and very embarrassing. Did you think the acting was good from, like most of the cast, the people would come back? Because I think that's what redeems it, kind of is that the performances were solid. Pacino does a good job. but yeah even though he yells a lot but he still as well I thought was okay yeah but what they're saying

just isn't convincing like they don't have a lot to work with and a lot of it just feels really forced after a certain point like even in the scenes where he's like arguing with k it's just like doesn't doesn't feel genuine anymore it's just like doing the rounds what about when they were kind of starting to reconnect a bit because that was the only time I was like okay there's something here I could I could have seen in a movie that was created because of passion and not because they needed to make some money because

of a previous movie bombing so hard that they needed a guaranteed success. Huh. Yeah, so this was literally a cash grab? I heard that like Francis Ford Cupbo ran out of money. Yeah, because whichever production company it was had a string of like flops or something like that. They needed a guaranteed hit.

Everyone involved wanted money. There was a lot of like arguments behind the scenes about it was why you mentioned it earlier ralph the the guy who's a big part of one and two um who had like ties the mafia robert duval i mean but he's not in part three uh at all and he he literally said um he didn't want to be in it because the only reason you'd make a sequel this late is for one reason and it's just for money and i think it is so obvious it really comes across that way yeah like there it doesn't come the first two movies come from some

a place of passion. Like everyone is like in the A game and they're really expressing something and ideas and there's so much like artistic expression. And it really does feel like like a just trying to recapture this spark for the sake of just a cash grab is sad in that way. And it makes it, it made it fairly, you know, just unwatchable to me. Like after after an hour of the three because it's three hours long still. Like I was the same.

I completely checked out. I just couldn't pay attention to it because there's just nothing really of interest. It doesn't deserve your attention. Yeah, exactly. Like, I was really hoping that it'd kind of been oversold as being too bad or something. That it wasn't going to live up to its negative reputation. But from the get-go, it feels completely different. It doesn't have that same dedication to setting that mood and atmosphere in the same way.

It's just not the same. Yeah, it really feels off. Writing a letter and there's just like voice over narration? Yeah, yeah. Immediately it's like what? It's like terrible. I'm like, oh my God. It feels like a parody of itself.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I was like, there's moments I was laughing at it. Yeah. Reminded me like some shitty Stephen King thing. Like the shining. Because it was, it was approached with such a huge time gap in the middle. It feels like someone who's left something that they created in the past trying to come back to it at a completely different point.

their lives where they've kind of lost whatever spark that was that inspired the original stuff. It's like George Lucas with the prequels kind of. Yeah, in a way. They were even friends, George Lucas and Francis Ford Copeland. Yeah. So do you know if, so the first one was based off of a book, was the second one also and this one wasn't? Like, how? No, I think the second one was original, but it was also written by Mario Putsa.

They were all written by him, weren't they? Yeah, they were all written. I don't know the third one. I know the first two are. I'll double check. He's listed on Wikipedia as having a writing credit for sure. So written by Mario Puzzo and Francis Ford Coppola. And Francis Ford Coppola.

Yeah. So who knows just how much of each of them? I just don't know what happened to Francis Ford Coppola. He got bad. He used to be make great movies. Yeah, he got bad, basically. I mean, did you see Twixt? The director of Jack.

That was like... Starring Robin Williams. bad movies like really bad movies I rewatched the trailer for that recently I don't know how it's pretty funny some people just lose their shit so many great directors that were like

awesome in the 70s and 80s they just hit a certain age where they're like either they stop trying or they get dementia or some shit there's some directors that like managed to stay great throughout their entire lives because I don't know

but I don't know how the guy who made apocalypse now and like the conversation makes twixt like it's is so bad. I think it might just be a matter of like how hard they try too. Like it's if you see something that is like equally ambitious that fails hard like like a Wachowski film or something like that then it's like okay they just don't know what they're doing anymore but when I see a Francis Ford Coppola movie comparing to his older works it doesn't seem nearly as ambitious. It just doesn't seem like as hard as there. It doesn't seem like he's trying. It feels like he's

like, I made a name for myself. I have this great catalog. Whatever. Like, I don't know. It just doesn't seem like he's... And I mean, obviously, the movies that he's created that are great are so incredibly ambitious. That, like, it's hard to even compare. Like, how could you make movies that are as ambitious as, like, the original Godfather movies

and Apocalypse Now? Like, those are some of the most ambitious movies ever made. But still, like, it just doesn't seem like he cares as much anymore. Yeah. Like, not nearly even. Really banking off that name. Yeah. It's a girl.

Yeah. Throwing his daughter in the movie for no fucking reason. Do you think he did that knowing she sucks? Like, do you think he was just like that? I honestly can't fathom. He's like trying to get her a name in Hollywood. Yeah, lost in translation. Great movies.

Lost translation, yeah. But she's fucking terrible as an acting. Yeah. She's so bad. She ruins the movie, basically. Yeah. That character was supposed to be played by Winona Ryder. Yeah.

Really. She's a major character. Yeah. But she dropped out to do Edward Cizorhands. Oh, no. So we're left with, yeah. Sophia. The daughter. Who is so bad that most of her dialogue had to be reddub because she had this, like,

her accent that just really didn't sell. I noticed there was a lot of dubbing in this movie, too. Like, not just her. Yep. It was, like, very noticeable. And I didn't notice that at all in the first two films. And even when we're looking at things like the practical effects, like the gunshot wounds and everything.

The gunshot sound effects were fucking awful. They sounded like they were from like Golden Eye or some shit. Yeah, it sounded like a video game. Yeah. Like when they had that shit down in the first two movies, you'd think you'd just hire the same guy doing like Foley or whatever. You think you just like, I don't know, maybe he died, but or something. But like, you'd think if you have that down in the first two movies,

that would be something that you would have down in the third, right? But no. It's just a lot of what made those two special and impresses. is just completely missing from this movie. And you could have told me it was directed by somebody else and I would have believed you. It doesn't really feel the same at all. It doesn't have that authenticity at first time. Not at all.

It doesn't even have the dark contrasty lighting really, which is something the studios hated. And now that it's gone, it's like, I miss it. I miss how, I miss the look of the Godfather movies. It's not really here anymore in this one. Yeah, I don't know. I don't hate it. I think there's a lot of. good things about it. It's not like the worst movie we've ever talked about. It's not like the

prequels or something. But it is like not on that level of the first two. It's not even close. It's everything I was fearing the second one would be. Okay. And it wasn't. And so you've seen part three before, right? I've seen parts of it before. I never sat down and watched the entire thing. But I'd seen like the ending. I'd seen all Sophia Copp was acting. Oh God. The shoot I'd seen in the in the top. It's yeah. It's ridiculous. She can't act for shit When she dies And she's like

Dad That just falls over She's like oh my God And then her love interest cousin is just like No For the first two hours the movie was just like Really really boring And then the last hour it just became

Fucking laughable It just became a comedy It was just so absolutely ridiculous And just fucking fell apart In such a monumental way it was so embarrassing really melodramatic yeah

the whole love plot with the cousins was ridiculous yeah what the fuck yeah the class and style just robbed of it yeah it's a shame it's really sad what happened

it is a shame but it's also like they they had a decision they could have kept their integrity and not made it and just left this awesome duo of movies but they had they had to

you know they had to make money which is fine it's a cap Capitalist society, but it's like why don't you make a good movie. But it's like yeah, like you had you had all that time You know tons of people are gonna watch it. They didn't know how to make a good movie anymore Get someone else to direct it even if it's clear Francis Ford Coppola doesn't give a shit

Have him produce it and then have someone else write it and direct it I don't know what the fuck it's even um yeah it's a mess and like she value even had huge problems with it Like he he he said he didn't believe that his character would do the things that he does in that movie like go to concession yeah yeah could you imagine

being al Pacino acting alongside Sophia Coppola in those scenes because that's all I was thinking it's like this guy is there in the same shot

and she is delivering her lines and he's just like he has to just take it like a champ you can't just be like hey director because she's related to the director like holy shit everybody unsets thinking already

right Does the director know? But they can't say anything. That's brutal. It just seemed like super awkward. Yeah. It must be terrible. Oh, what a mess.

I love the end of the movie. Because like, yeah, again, like really melodramatic, especially with like Al Pacino screaming or whatever. And he does a good job. Like he's doing great with what he has to work with. But then like it literally just cuts to him older. They literally put him in old person. makeup just for him to put on sunglasses and slump over in a chair and die. Like, that's what they literally did that.

It's hilarious. And it's like, why? Yeah. You could have ended the movie before that. I get you that you're trying to be like conclusive and being like, this means that this, this trilogy was justified. This movie was justified because we show the death of the character. But it's out of nowhere.

Like, the movie could have just ended before that. You literally just did a time jump. It's really bad. It's to show him an old person makeup, putting on sunglasses, and fucking dying. And that's supposed to be this like epic conclusion to this trilogy. She's like, the end.

Like, what the fuck? That was so unintentionally comical. It was so funny. That was ridiculous. I felt the same way about it. Even that moment when the daughter died, it totally didn't work. Oh, yeah. I was kind of cringing.

It wasn't, it didn't have that traumatic, tragic moment. Yeah, like, holy. And then he's screaming. Everyone's going like, no, no. And like, oh, this is so. bad. It's like the helicopter scene. They're just trying to, they're trying to bring it to such a higher level, but

removing all subtlety from everything. It's like, that's what people want. To this moment of everyone's screaming. Yeah. Oh my God. This is what you're building up to. Holy shit. No, please. No. But on the subject of him dying in that chair

at the end, we have a question from the movie fan 101, who's says, this is a question pertaining to your Godfather trilogy discussion. Originally, Francis Ford Coppola did not want the title Godfather Part 3. He wanted the title to be the death of Michael Corleone. The studio would not let him. Coppola always viewed the saga not as a trilogy, but as a set of two films with an epilogue.

Do you think part three would have been better received if it not been given the title of Godfather? No, I don't think it changes the quality of movie. Yeah, I don't give a shit. It's still a bad movie. Yeah, because it doesn't ex, even if it did have the title, the death of Michael Colienne, like it isn't executing on that idea in a satisfying way. Then no one would have saw it. Yeah, and they just did the same ending, too.

Yeah. Nothing was really leading up to it. It's not like a culmination of events. He just got, he just fucking died of old age. Broken heart. Like we said, it's like the same plot. They go to the wedding. There's a hit scene in the middle that has no consequence on the story.

It ends like in an opera and a bunch of people are assassinated. It's just like the baptism scene or it's like the same thing When the guy when the guy was like holding up the other guy's dead body to pretend he was being strangled by him and then did the surprise That was so funny. That was really weird Yeah That was so stupid how do you hold up someone's dead body and pretend you're being strangled by them? He's like oh good you got him My God that was so funny it feels like a like a robot analyzed the first two movies

and pinpointed a formula and then applied it with the same cast. It's really strange to watch. Procedurally generated Godfather script. Yeah. Yeah. This is the bad DLC that no one bought. Oh, man. It's...

It's a shame. I'm surprised it got nominated for seven Oscars. It didn't win any, but the fact that the Academy was like, well, I mean, it's a Godfather movie, so I guess it's probably an Oscar. heard off the title and names. Yep, really? I want to see if, oh, Andy Garcia was nominated. I want to see if Sophia Coppola was not.

Oh, no. She won two Razzie's, I think. Oh, really? Yeah, okay. Best original song? Oh, yeah, because they added lyrics to the, fucking, to the main theme. Yeah.

Or whatever. Oh, because his son sings. Yeah. Even the music in this was like a parody of the Godfather music. Yeah. It was so sad. It's so unintentionally silly.

and really boring. The only parts of the movie that I enjoyed were just the really funny parts where it wasn't even trying to be. It was super, super fucking clunky. Obviously, the passion isn't there. It was really cheesy. It just felt like a fucking TV movie.

Nothing mattered. I didn't care about anybody. I didn't care about their relationships. I didn't care about what was going on. It's just fucking stupid. What would you give it? Three out of ten. Okay.

Pretty confident about that. I think, yeah, like four out of ten. Like I liked some things about it I still like all the performances Like they're still really good Then they're trying It's just the movie as a whole Except you know

Sophia Coppola I don't know if she was trying or not She wasn't good Yeah who knows Like Andy Garcia Like I thought he was pretty good And I still thought Al Pacino was good Even though he was overacting

There's a lot about it I can respect it for It's not like the worst movie ever It's not the worst thing we've talked about even It looks nice It's not up to that quality It wasn't terribly shot It looked okay Yeah it looked okay

There was some nation. I still prefer the style of the first two with that contrast and the orange. Yeah, I think I have to agree with the Rouse rating of two star, because I'm torn on this idea that it's serviceable as like a stupid mob movie on its own. But given the context of it being the third in not only a trilogy, but following the Godfather part one and two and everything they represent, it kind of makes it extra bad in my mind I never I like I never want to see this movie again

like why would I it's so long it drags on and on and the only thing that I can really get out of it is just the the meme of the just when I thought I was out they put me back in which is like joked about in the sopranas which is like a really funny scene where they like mock it yeah like I guess two stars

but I mean like maybe even lower honestly I'll have a think about it and rate it when this episode comes out because genuinely like what is there aside from just the absolute just dedication to the to the formula you know like where's the where's the artistry beyond just the

the cash grab nature of it that that really bugs me that that side of it because it's like okay yeah make your money that's fine like I have no problem with that but like earn it you know yeah Well, be worthy of the first two. Yeah. Or just not even this bad.

Yeah. It's a pretty high bar to set. You don't have to be this fucking terrible. You can at least pretend to be like a little bit faithful towards the ideas that they're communicating in the first two films. It wasn't even that. It was like if somebody different who didn't even like the godfather made this movie. Yeah. I'm taking into account too.

Like I had really high expectations from those first two and seeing this for the first time. in full maybe that's why I'm like so resistant to it if I watched it maybe in the future I would like it more imagine if like you were a huge fan of godfather part one and two and then what year did this come out in 90 something 90? 90s 90 comes around you're like oh they're finally doing it they're going to round off the trilogy like how would you feel like I really think you would be like what I bet that's just so wrong that feels so fucking off and in that way Like, I really don't see much merit in it, especially when, with the, like, just ridiculous places it does go with, especially with the, like, incest thing. Like, that is, like, why?

What the fuck? What the fuck, Francis? Like, why was that same? Yeah. Your own daughter. Really strange. I'm glad they put that in there, because I think without that, like, there's basically nothing to talk about, you know? Like, if it was, like, the same.

It's all the moments you laughed at. Yeah. Yeah. If it was Winona Ryder. and they took the incest bit out, like, what would there be to even say about it? Oh, it's just the form of the book was. He feels sad now. Yeah. Yeah, man.

I don't buy it. I don't. This is basically like giving Adam Winger the Death Note movie. It's like, so you don't even understand what made the original good. You don't give a shit, clearly. Except it's the guy who directed the original. Yeah, that's what's sad about it. It's like the same people involved.

They're like, oh, well. The 20 years later, they're totally different people. He had to be a movie. movie like that a long time. I don't even like... I think Apocalypse now maybe like fried his brain because that movie was a nightmare for him to direct even more than this.

I got to respect him for making these really difficult to make movies. But I feel like he fucking fried his brain and then he could never make a movie after that. I barely associate Al Pacino, young Al Pacino with old El Pacino. They seem like completely different people. Yeah.

Yeah. That was really bugging me in part three. Like it didn't seem like the same character. It seemed like Al Pacino. It seemed like Al Pacino. back. He was like yelling. He was like playing Jimmy Hoffa

he does in the Irishman. It was more like that than it was Michael Corleone who was very reserved and quiet but he took it out like he was a brute force like he killed 10 people in that first movie. He was very scary but it was all restrained and like looks, method acting like that and

now it's so over the top. Now he's just fucking yelling at everybody and cursing. It's hysterical. Yeah. I could watch like a super cut of all the funny scenes. from this movie. That would be the only way I watch it again. It's like just a few clips from like the end and a bunch of incest shit

and the bad acting from Sophia. If you get like a really good like 10 minute long super cut of all the funny parts, I would totally watch that. Somebody make a super cut of all the bullshit from this movie and post it on YouTube and I'll like add it to my favorites or whatever. There's a lot of funny moments. Make sure you include the fake

strangle in the surprise stab. It's so long and it's still not even three hours long. It's not as long as the other two. Yeah. That's the irony. It feels longer. It had like this insistence that it was epic because it was trying to be really long and

have lots of characters, but there was nothing going on. Like in the story. They didn't know what to do with them. Uh-huh. I don't know any new characters they introduced. Like, I can't remember any of them. The, uh, the, the incest cousin that isn't. Yeah, that's the only one.

Oops. All right. Um. I guess we talked about the Godfather movies. Yeah, we did it. Question time? Yeah, let's do some questions from the Sardonicast subreddit. If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer on the next episode,

head over there to the suggestion thread and ask us whatever you like. Let's start with this one then from Elephant 646, who says, do you boys have any stories of embarrassing styles you had when you were young, haircuts, clothes, where you talked, etc. Of course. I didn't have a sense of style when I was younger. Yeah, same. Not at all.

Like, it's just, I don't even know if I really have that much of a sense of style now. I'm just, I guess, more consistent. I, uh, my brother had a mullet, so I got a mullet. There's a, I was a mullet child. Um, I had a bolt cut at one point. Um, throughout, like, most of jublet, junior high I wore like cargo pants so like just like shit ton of pockets it's like fit fit a fucking calculator in there and shit yeah and then the day I finally started wearing like

normal jeans everybody at school was like Adam's wearing jeans it was really weird I always had cargo pants I was just thinking of like functionality you know I didn't I didn't think about style I was just thinking like I have so many pockets to carry candy in this makes sense to me it's a billion pockets yeah god I was the exact same because I remember like I did the same thing I was like always just I didn't think I owned a pair of jeans

because I was like watching some some comedy show and like one of the like 50 year old panelists was mocked by one of the other ones saying I bet this guy doesn't even own a single pair of jeans and I was like wait I don't own a pair of jeans and that was your character arc that was my character art yeah I honestly didn't get anything star-related

until I was literally like 20-21. Like I was hopeless with that kind of stuff with haircuts and everything. Like I would just, I wouldn't even go to hairdressers. I'd just like reset. Like it would just buzz it down to just like one length all the way and then I'd just let it grow until it was too far and just reset button.

That's good. That's the way to do it. Yeah. It's more efficient. I hate going to barbershop. It's painting ads. Now you don't have to. I stayed until I found a barber I liked.

Yeah, now I don't have to. My eraser red hair maybe. Although I like it. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say that suited you. Yeah. Yeah, even now I don't really give too much of a shit about fashion at all. I'll just, you know, I like darker colors.

I'll wear jeans or whatever. But I don't do anything in terms of like trying to do something fashionable. Like every shirt I wear is something that I'm like supporting something that I like or wearing the logo of something that I like. It'll be from a film festival or a movie or a band or just something that somebody gave to me or like from a convention or something. That's pretty much all the shirts I wear. And then, you know, working from home, it's just like, I don't know, fucking pajama pants and sweatpants. If I go outside, I'll put on some jeans and that's about it. Depends where you are too.

When I'm in LA, I try to dress like brighter colors. I wear shirts with like pineapples on them. Oh. And in New York, I just wear like gray. You got to fit with the tone. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like change how you look. Yeah, I don't give a shit about fashion.

How about this one then? It's another not movie related one, but it's such a weird question, I have to ask it. Saitonica says, I don't know why it's directed at Adam, because we can all answer this. But the question is for Adam because he's also Canadian and might have some strange encounters with Canadian geese. Have you ever gotten so close to a mother goose and her eggs that another goose hissed at you and then eventually expanded its wings and flew over to you,

causing you to run away only for that goose to chase you in the air? This happened to me a couple weeks ago while I was loading the car outside my university residence building. It's not happened to me personally, but there's a shit ton of geese in Canada. for sure just in like certain areas you might have to watch out for goose poop if you're walking in the grass or whatever yeah they're kind of annoying they grow animals oh yeah like when they're doing their egg thing you don't mess with a goose yeah yeah there are a lot of

games in New York I don't I don't mess with them at all you don't want to mess with them because they're violent they're like that yeah they'll flap your wings around and scream at you yeah you don't want to mess with them steal your keys throw a rake in the lake don't shit on your collar Do you guys have swans? Yeah. I don't know. Sure.

Somewhere. Yeah, somewhere in Canada. I find somewhere in New York. I find swans even scarier. Really? They're a bit bigger than... Yeah, because I think they're a bit bigger, right? Are they as violent?

I don't know about that. Well, there was always this one swan down when I lived in a different place where when I'd walk my dog. It was just like, this lone swan that would just wait there and just anyone that would go by, it would just like hiss and do all that. And, you know, like, you can see its little legs paddling towards you just like, just to have a go at you. They're just like dicks. The dicks of the animal kingdom.

Yeah, there's, it's pretty intimidating coming across a moose. You got to tell you. It's like, that can fuck you up. Yeah. Yeah. They're huge. Have you ever, um, you probably have to worry about that when you're like driving anywhere rural, right? Um, yeah, I guess it depends where, like, you're like, you're a huge and moose coming.

Usually there's like signs or whatever for like moose, deer, whatever. It depends on the part of Canada. But yeah, there's like a bunch of wildlife. Yeah, they're gigantic. They're super huge and very intimidating and scary. You do not want to miss with them. What are their temperaments like, though? Will they?

I don't know. I guess it probably depends on like mating season or something. Usually they don't like come too close to people. They're like kind of doing their own thing. When I ran into one, I was basically like, my parents had a cabin, like, out away from the city or whatever. So I was, like, walking around and then, like, moose basically just comes out of the lake, like, fucking Terminator and just starts, like, rummaging through, like, other people's campsites. I'm like, I'll keep my distance sort of thing. Yeah.

But, yeah, it depends on where in Canada. In Edmonton, there's, like, a lot of bunnies. They're, like, basically a pest. Oh, yeah. There's a shit ton of bunnies. Yeah, yeah. Vancouver there's like skunks. A lot of raccoons in Vancouver too. What's the biggest predator you've got in the woods over there?

Kevin Spacey. Oh, I don't know. Like, I've never seen like a bear up close or anything. That would probably freak me out. Bears are the animals I fear most. I don't think I could ever go into a woods or forest if I knew there was even a possibility of a bear being in there. Because it's like the biggest like predatorial mammal here It's like what a badger fox Thanks Gary

Mushroom Yeah I'm glad I don't live in like Australia Their wildlife seems to want to kill everybody It's like where all the shark attacks Happens too It's terrifying Seems like dangerous there

Yeah There's like this tiny little Kind of like a jellyfish thing Where it's like it can sting you without noticing Without you even noticing And it'll paralyze you and make you like literally unable to breathe and your only chance if somebody like

notices what's happening and knows what to do like they have to assist your breathing and literally like breathe into your mouth until like paramedics arrive and they can like yeah there's some crazy shit out there yeah yeah when I was last in Australia I was like my auntie and uncles and my auntie took me outside him was like

look down the side of the house and it's like just a fucking black widow just there just chilling. This place is horrifying. Yeah. That thing could kill you. In Canada, I don't know. I guess it depends where you live.

You can look this up on YouTube, but there's like this town in Canada where they actually have like a polar bear patrol where they actually have like a dedicated part of their town to make sure that polar bears don't eat people. Because like depending on the time of year, they'll have, like they might wander in from like further up north. And so they have this team where they'll literally like tranquilize it and then airlift it out with a helicopter and like fly it further back up north. Because if there's like a lack of food or whatever, they might come like wandering into town and just like prowl the streets and you don't want to mess with a fucking polar bear. They're the most dangerous bear, aren't they? Like you're not going to survive an encounter or one of those guys.

Oh yeah, it's Churchill, Manitoba. That's what it is. Yeah, they'll fuck you up. They don't give a shit. Well, that was the tangent of the century. Let's do this one from a ready set action who says, Hey, y'all, how would you say you rate documentaries compared to any fictional piece of film? I find it sometimes hard to rate a documentary since it is so fact-heavy and usually structured different to a regular movie.

Yeah, that's true. Depends on the documentary, too. If it's a, because there's documentaries that are like history documentaries or about Yeah. And then there's some documentaries like American movie that are about like a couple guys. Yeah. It's more of a narrative like following people. Like American movie is kind of structured like a movie kind of.

Like a narrative fiction, I mean. It depends what the overall experience of the film is and what its goals are. So the higher rated documentaries in my opinion, one that's likely to make my best of the year list, are going to be documentaries that it's not just like, Oh yeah, I agree with the narrative presented here. It's going to be something that goes out of its way to be like really well shot and creative and well presented, well edited, cinematic in a way. Yeah, there's a lot of qualities that carry over.

Yeah, exactly. You can have a documentary that presents its information in a way that you agree with or that, you know, is intelligent. But I think that with documentary being, you know, it's still a film. It's still an art form. You can still do things to the presentation of the documentary, to make it more of a cinematic experience. And that's not even necessarily editing, you know, that's all aspects of the film, really.

It can look really cheap or not. Yeah. Yeah. How, like, unique the subject is. Like, there's a bunch of documentaries about the Fire Festival. It's not, like, as original or enjoyable. It's, like, a documentary, like, tickled. That's just made about one thing.

It's the only movie about that. Yeah, it really depends on what it's going for. There's a British documentary called the 63 U. Have you ever heard of the Up series, Alex? No. Oh my God, you got to watch it. Basically, it's like a movie every seven years, and the director has been going on this project since like the 60s. And basically he found just a bunch of different seven-year-old kids from varying backgrounds and just basically interviewed them.

And then seven years later, they're 14 and then interviews them again. seven years later, they're 21 interviews them again. And then when you see the most recent film, like there's a bunch of them, they're all pretty interesting and fascinating. The newest one, it's called 63 Up. It's like a, I think it was for the BBC, so it's like very much a presentation

of like a TV documentary, but with everything going into it and everything it's saying, like the emotions of the film, like it all comes together really, really well into this incredibly unique cinematic experience that is unlike anything, really. I would highly recommend that. Yeah, it's like three hours long, but...

I haven't seen the new one. Really good. You don't even have to watch the old ones to jump in. Like, you could start with 63 up, and they show a bunch of clips and footage from the previous movies to, like, tie into what they're currently saying and where they are in their lives and stuff like that. So, yeah, that's a really great documentary, in my opinion. The technology too now to make documentaries

It's way easier to make them now than it was back then Because the cameras were just really large Like in the 70s the 60s Like to bring all that equipment with you And change the film It was really rough And now it's like you could bring these really small portable cameras with you

You could be way more like a journalistic approach And have hidden cameras and stuff Yeah I've seen documentaries do that Like the Cove was really cinematic in that sort of sense Like it felt like kind of a heist movie Yeah, yeah, exactly Like the documentary being made

It's not supposed to be made Yeah, not an interesting thing What about like the Like Blue Planet and stuff like that? Oh, love it. Epic You know, hell yeah Documentary series

The BBC Symphony Orchestra Add so much to those Like the music is such an important part Of those documentaries And obviously the filmmaking too Like there's a lot of impressive stuff going on there But like that

That would be a great example of like a really cinematic documentary. It's epic filmmaking, yeah. Yeah, nobody's thought about it. It's a good question, actually. Yeah. The Netflix, like, documentary series, I think some of them feel patted out,

like the cats one, the don't fuck with cats. Did you hear about that? Yeah, I'm aware of it. I haven't seen it, though. Yeah, it's like a serial killer of cats posted online. Like, it was good, but they tried to make it a series.

Like, it made it a few episodes long. It was really patted out. It could have just been like a 90-minute documentary, but they insist on making these series for some reason. Well, I mean, like, they didn't even get to the part where he tried to murder Rebel Wilson and Jason DeRullo. And that's the guy. Fat guy, James Corden.

Yeah. Please. Cats. Cats. The butthole cut. Release the butthole cut. They don't need to release it, but, God, I heard about how much of a dick Tom Uber was on set.

Yeah, apparently. Or like to the VFX people, I mean Yeah, I'm blown away Ridiculous demands Like four months, they had to do all the effects At some point they added buttholes in And no one knew where it came from And they had to digitize all him out

It's like ridiculous Like he clearly had no understanding of like visual effects Or any of that stuff Yeah It's ridiculous That always spells a disaster When you have crazy demands from some of it That doesn't even understand like what the actual process is

Yeah, what he's doing Like you might as well just be like a studio head making those demands to a director. Oscar winning director. Yeah. Give it back. And other news too. Did you see the Ezra Miller thing? Like, what the fuck was that?

Oh, where he like, he hit someone, didn't he? Yeah, he, like, strangled the fan. If that's real, like, what a fucking tower. Yeah, I did. And, like, from how it looks, it looks like he just strangled a fan. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I'm not quick to jump on it.

Because, like, from what I saw, like, they both seemed like drunk and laughing, and he might have just been like, you know, like play fighting or something. Like, I don't know what the fuck happened there. But I'm not leaning one way or the other. I'm just, you know, obviously saying. Yeah, there's a bit of context missing because it just just cut off and there's no expansion on what happened there. Yeah.

That's true. Yeah, they both looked very drunk and I don't know if they were being serious or whatever, but, or if he was just like misinterpreting a level of, I guess, playful. Playfulness. Like, I don't know what happened. Yeah. Yeah. It is a weird jump, though, to be sure.

Yeah. That's very strange. Okay, let's do this cute one from Alistair underscore 13 who says, What do you guys' favorite movie McGuffins? Give us a MacGuffin you like. The fuck's a McGuffin. It's a hard one. You want to look up like the...

You're joking? Like R2D2. He's a Macuffin. A Macuffin. Like a plot device, like the ring. Or event that is necessary to the plot and to the motivation of the characters. Yeah, like the ring from. Lord of the Rings. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I don't hear that word used up.

That's some deeper meaning to it. Or like the child in a children of man. Like that, that's time of being McGuffin. That's true. The child. Yeah, I guess that counts. All right, you guys go first. I'll think about this. I like the sled. Or you could say the, yeah, the sled from Citizen King. Uh-huh. That's a good one. It's a good twist. What a twist. Hmm. I'm trying to think. Yeah, I do, I do quite like R2D2. He's you. Yeah, R2D2 is a good one. The glowing briefcase from Pulp Fiction, I think that's an iconal. For sure. And people always speculate what it is. Yeah, I like how that's kept vague.

The Goober and Spiderverse is a little self-referential one. Oh yeah. That's true. I like that one. They do that, the Phil Lord and Chris Miller with all their movies. Like Lego movie had the Kraggle, which is like the glue. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, they've actually got some good ones. They like doing that self-referential Mcuffin. Yeah. The Crackle. What was it in? It was in burn after reading. There was like a script or something. Oh, yeah.

It was like interpreted as being real, but it was just someone trying to read. It was like his memoirs. Oh, yeah. It was his memoirs. Yeah, that's what it was. That movie's so funny. Yeah. The Book of the Dead, an Evil Dead.

The Book of Eli. Remember that? It was the Bible. Oh, God. Yeah, I never saw that one. He was a piece of crap. Don't bother. This just came to my mind

I don't know I don't usually Think of movies in that way It's not a question I ask I think those are the most iconic ones Like the ones we said Yeah I think you're right Does Terns have a McGuffin

Like I bet there's some movies like that That have a MacGuffin I just don't remember them Because they're so boring Yeah maybe Godfather three At a McGuffin McGuffin's such a weird word Yeah I don't know the history

Of where that came from It sounds like a British thing It does yeah it does Oh, what about like the carpet from Big Lobowski? Is that McGuffin? The what? The carpet? Yeah.

It's kind of what starts the whole story of motion. The piano from Punch Trunk Love, like that Popsichord thing he had. Yeah. That's one. Do we want to do one more? We can do one more. Yeah. Let's do one more.

Let's do this one then from GGG-375, who says, What genre would you explore if you have the ability to make a feature? film. Everyone has the ability. If it was handed to you on a silver platter, it's horror on a silver platter. Probably, you know what the hardest kind of movie to pull off is like an epic science fiction movie. So if it was like the resources were handed to me on a platter, but I'd probably do either like a science fiction or war movie.

Like something really hard to do. Like that. Yeah. I think, I don't know, my heart is in drama as like a genre. I think that I would love to tackle a musical, make like a musical feature film. Yeah. Yeah. If like, I don't know, because I look at films like once. Like that's a movie where like the music is really, really, really great.

And it carries the whole movie forward, basically. So if I'm trying to think like if I were to take the plunge into directing like a first feature, if let's say, you know, my album's released and it's well received and people consider it to be like a professional quality sort of thing, then that's already one aspect where I would have that amount of confidence would be like the music. So that would be taken care of pretty much already. And then the filmmaking after that point, although yeah, it's important to to know what you're doing when it comes to the filmmaking. You could also use that as like an opportunity to kind of like learn as you're going. Because like everybody is. first feature isn't going to be like a masterpiece or anything anyway. So if the film is offering something like, I mean, okay, well, all right, but anyway, like if the film is offering something more than just the filmmaking aspects, you know, then if, if let's say there's some like noticeable budgetary constraints when it comes down to the actual. filmmaking or just a lack of experience there at least there would be some other element to the

film that would hold it up and it's not just trying to offer one particular i guess creative aspect fair enough i guess for me uh i don't know does i love animation so i'd love to have the capacity to because that's that's half the battle isn't it just getting anything like that made yeah not being for little kids um that's what's so cool about things like Anomalisa and, you know, taking the kind of adult story and applying it. You're calling animation like a genre. It's, I don't know about that, but it's more of like a tool, a presentation.

You know what I mean? Like it is a huge investment and talent pool is required to pull off something like that. We all wish we had just $50 million in a bin that we could spend on a number. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If I had all the resources to make, like, a legit. animated feature film I would love to do that I agree with you there like when I when I gave my answer I was thinking like really practically of like you know what would be a logical step towards

yeah making something yeah that's how I was saying like logically I would do a horror movie like that you could do on no budget yeah for like a science fiction or a musical like that yeah you need you need a lot and you need to negotiate with a lot of different people and by the time it gets to the movie when it's done like it's a totally different thing because There's been so many voices and things attached to it. That's not, you know, your original vision. If I was fucking Elon Musk, then I would make an animated feature. Yeah, yeah.

I just had those resources. If I divorced Jeff Bezos, then I would make an animated feature. Right. Yeah. Yeah, like I wish I had that kind of money. Because then making movies would be nothing. Yeah, and it's just like if you don't have to worry about it. the return or investment, you know?

It's just like, if you just have a fuck ton of money and you want to express yourself creatively and you have ultimate control over everything and, you know, if something doesn't turn out well, what? You can do reshoots. You can throw more money at it. Something like that. Unlimited resources. I would love to make a really great animated movie.

I would love to make something like that. That would be up there for sure. Yeah, that would be my answer. Because that's like the creativity involved in that. Like, you don't have. as much holding you down. The world of animation is so expressive. You can do whatever you want.

You can communicate whatever you want. When you're filming something in live action, like to an extent, you have to think of things a bit more practically. Whereas like animation, it's just like any idea you have. Of course, yeah. You can express that.

So, yeah, I agree with you, Alex. Animation would be for sure up there for me. Yeah. All right. I guess we did questions. We got it. We did it. All right.

So we have a movie recommendation, and it should be my turn, but I'm going to swap with Ralph because we're having a guest on next episode that he invited. Elvis the Alien is going to come on, and we're going to discuss a movie I recommended. Oh, yeah. It's a pretty recent movie called X Machina, directed by Alex Garland. Oh, there we go. Oh, cool. So that'll be the movie we discuss next time.

Okay, great. Epic. Awesome. What planet is Elvis Thurton? the alien from? Not sure. Planet 420, I think. Oh, geez.

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