Sardonicast - Sardonicast #59: Devs, Ex Machina (feat. Elvis The Alien)

Episode Date: May 4, 2020

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Three, two, one, I'm not a ganaelf. I'm not a ginablen. I'm a gnom. And you've been gnomes. Hey, everybody, this is Sardonicat. I'm Adam from your movie sex. I'm Ralph from Udjadocons, Ralph the Movie Maker. And I'm Alex from my Gnomb everything.

Oh, no. And... And... And... It is I, Elvis E Alien. Hello. What planet are you from? Mr. Alien.

Uranus Oh Had that one lined up Hey That was quick Yeah I love that Whatever you guys I actually just want to confirm

With everybody here That everybody knows what the You've been gnomed thing is right I don't No You don't You're not you Ralph I'm missing out dude

I was thinking Yeah based on the reactions I was hearing I didn't think Ralph You two were both laughing It's a stupid Basically it was what was What is now

replaced the Rick Roll, but it's, I mean, not just now. It's been going on for a couple of years now. And the video itself was created like probably 10 years ago, but didn't even, nobody bothered to watch it until people decided to use it for that purpose. Because Rick Roll isn't cool anymore, you know, like politicians started using it. And also copyright issues, I think. Yeah, that's too. I mean. The music, actually using the music, the videos kept getting deleted. Yeah. The Nome thing is kind of funny. I like it a lot. Yeah. That sounds for such a weird video. It's so genuine. It's just genuine. Exactly.

It seems like... Yeah, numb. It's just bloody weird. It's very bizarre. Before we get into some questions about our guests, I kind of want to... I'm curious, Alex, how are you feeling now? Because you were pretty sick last episode. Yeah, yeah.

And I got some very nice support from listeners and whatnot. But I'm okay now. People were worried. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a scary time. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But I'm okay now, it seems. So I was scared, because you message me out, and I'm saying that you were hearing stories about after 10 days, it can get way worse.

I didn't mean to make you. I was like paranoid. I was like, oh my God, I hadn't heard that. I'm like, I'm one of the most paranoid people on the planet. So maybe I'm not the best to listen to in terms of these situations. But no, 10 days passed and I didn't instantly die. So I'm all right. All right. Well, glad to you. I hear you're doing better. Thank you. You guys had some questions for the guest.

I figured out what Pliny's, planet he's from, so. Well, my brother is a huge fan of yours, so he sent me some questions. No way. Yeah. What? And he told me you watch devs, too, which we'll talk about. So he has a question right here.

What's your favorite Nick Cage movie? Oh, shit. I'm a cage officinato, too, so I love talking about the cage. I think Mom and Dad is probably my favorite. Really? He's so ridiculous in that movie. Well, do you mean like, because there's genuinely great in a cage movies, and then there's, like, the meme performances, like, Vampires Kiss. Like, that one's my favorite.

Do you mean that he's the best in that movie, or do you mean that the movie itself with him in it is good? I just feel like he's the most entertaining. Like, the movie isn't good. No, yeah, I agree with you. It's not very good. It's kind of awful. Yeah, entertainment value when, you know, how good a movie is for me can sometimes be really different like I can really enjoy

something but also know it's shit yeah yeah of course and that's yeah that's a good good thing to be able to do did you ever see vampires kiss yeah that's a classic like kids cage is one of those actors that like he could be really good in something genuinely like adaptation or he could be really like I mean not even bad bad's not the right word but just out there like Vampires Kiss and Mom and Dad and Bad Lieutenant, like just crazy shit. That just makes no sense. You can never say that he didn't give it his all. He's 100% in every role.

Even if it's in the wrong direction, he's at full speed. Yeah, that's what I love about him. He like screams for no reason and shit. It's crazy. He loves screaming. I think we forgot to ask a very important question. Who the fuck are you, Elvis? Oh.

What do you do? My channel has morphed over time, like an animorph. It's weird. Like, I started as a gaming channel, if you can believe it, like six years ago. And then I became a commentary channel, like a regular, like, Leveas Here, like, cancer channel, basically. And then... I'm just throwing everybody under the bus, aren't you? And then I slowly evolved into slightly better content.

But then I started, like, harassing YouTubers with, like, making them giving me their pictures so I can, like, troll people on Tinder with them. Either that or, like, I forced them to come on my series called People Rew and Everything where I make them, like, read really awful fan fiction based on a popular thing. I did that to Alex, actually. Yeah, it was alien, right? That was a beautiful piece of art. You made me read, man. I love that Yeah and now I'm starting to

Go more into movie stuff So yeah I don't really have anything that really defines me I guess like next month I'll probably be doing Documentaries or something I don't know Okay Yeah it's good change it up Demands change too so

Yeah it's true YouTube is a forever changing world Yeah like movie reviews stay around Like throughout the entire course of this website I've seen so many trends come and go, like prank channels or whatever. But like movie review channels, they've always been there and they've always stayed. Because people are always watching movies.

Yeah, but he's been doing the same thing for like years. It's still. It's still going to. Yeah. Everybody. Kicking it with that wall review. The kicking down the wall. Oh, God.

So bad. It's the best. What are you talking about? Didn't you, um, Alex, you made a video on that. with your other podcast, right? That was fine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were so infuriated by it.

We just were really impassioned and just have to talk about it. I watched that again recently, actually, like the review. The whole thing? Yeah, and I read some articles on it. Again? I mean, I was just like, I couldn't sleep. And so I needed something to kind of just, you know, skip through on my phone. To put you to sleep?

Oh, okay. I see how it is. I don't know. And so, like, I just, it wasn't happening. So it's just like, oh, What was this again? And I needed to refresh myself on it. And I realized that according to some article, and I fact-checked this later,

that the computer animated character was like a pre-existing character from another channel, basically. Yeah, yeah, I found out how after. Yeah. It's like very interesting. So the character model was already done, and they just made like this weird cameo that doesn't even fit. And isn't explained or introduced, yeah. It's very confusing. Yeah.

The amount of work they put into that video is absurd, you know? That's the thing. Like, you can bust the critic the balls as much as you want, but it's a hard work, I'd say the least. Like, imagine putting, like, a month into a video, and everyone hated it. It seemed like you put more than a month. Yeah. It seemed like an epic project. I mean, it was still a failure, but I don't even want to give them credit.

It sucks, and you should feel bad. Don't bully Guys cool cat Says no bully It's not bully I'm criticizing his content You should make better videos It's criticism It is

I think YouTube is a valid art form And so you can criticize art forms on the platform Just like criticizing movies You'll have criticism of criticism It exists It exists And soon there will be criticism of that criticism Yeah it'll be a rabbit hole of criticism

It's just a never-ending spiral. Like the Saw movie? Yeah, the best spiral. It's so weird how people can like watching a critique of something more than watching the actual thing that they're critiquing. Oh, yeah.

That happens a lot with bad movies, especially. Yeah. Yeah, because you just condense it into a little chunk, easy to digest, you don't sit down two hours and watch, you know. Right, right. Whatever it is. That's why I try not to say very much

about the movies that I actually enjoy if I'm recommending them in a quickie sort of thing. It's like I don't want to provide like an alternative to the experience. I don't want to describe the whole plot if I really enjoy it. I want to kind of let people experience that for themselves. Whereas if it's a movie where I'm actively telling people not to watch it, I might try to help them get a bit of the experience or try to explain what that is in the review.

Oh man. This fucking Kimba review is just tearing me apart. Only a couple more weeks. Anyway, you had some more questions, Ralph? No, I didn't. We had some questions from the Reddit. Oh, okay. My brother had that one.

Yeah? Go ahead. Yeah, Elvis. What's your favorite piece of media to ingest while you've ingested some of that sweet, you know, goodness, if you know what I'm saying? Wink, wink, wink. It's not legal here, so I can't say. Are you talking like just Rule 34 of anything? Is it illegal to...

To ask someone about weed? No. In your country, Alex. I was going to save Madagascar, but. Oh, nice choice. Which one of the three? Or all of them. The third is the best for sure.

Hell yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Did you guys plan this out before? We got another one. But yeah, weed's good. Yeah, it is. For some movies.

You know what's a good one? Lawrence of Arabia. You wouldn't think so. Really? Yeah, but like you sit there the whole three hours, you're like, that was fucking epic. Huh. Yeah. The Holy Mountain was a good weed movie. I feel like you don't need any drugs for that movie.

You don't need any drugs for any movie, really. No, for some movies you need them. Last Airbender. Oh. Yeah. Half in the Cages catalog, you probably need it. I love the Last Airbender sober. You can watch it sober.

It's still just as good. You can watch Fateful Finding. It's over. It's great. Yeah, faithful findings is a good one. So how about this, Elvis? Let's hear your favorite and your least favorite movie.

Just for a bit of context so people understand your tastes. My least favorite movie? And your favorite, just both. Both sides of the spectrum. Oh, my God. What springs to your mind? Like least of all time? Yeah, what's your gut reaction?

Yeah, your gut reaction. Wait, what's it called? Open House. Is that what's called? That movie sucks ass. Open house. I've never heard of... It's called The Open House.

It's like a Netflix movie. Oh, is it got the Thirteen Reasons Why Guy in it? Yeah, it's so... It's so bad. Oh, yeah, I've seen that. I saw the trailer for it. It looks like it could be funny. It's really boring.

They just throw in like a bunch of jump scare sound effects. It's so... It's so dull. Honestly, terrible. You asked my favorite movie this year? Or ever. Yeah. Or ever.

I mean, what's one of your favorite movies? I really like the movie Moon. Oh, yeah. With Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell. Yeah, I think he's really underrated as an actor. Yeah, he's awesome. I watched that randomly just out of nowhere,

and I ended up really liking it. I watched it, like, immediately a second time. I don't think it hit everybody the same way, but for whatever reason I really liked it. Didn't it come out around the writer strikes? Yeah. Do you remember that year, there were the writer's strikes and it was like one of the one of the gems that year yeah

2009 I don't remember if it was specifically a writer's strike I think it was like even more general than that because I remember hearing that that's how that's how Duncan Jones was able to get like really cheap animation like quality animation on a budget so I don't know what that would have to do with writing but I don't know I could be wrong but I remember hearing that like there might have been a more general strike or something. I have no idea. But I remember it applied to the animation in some way, the computer animation. Oh, right.

Kevin Spacey's in that movie. Voices are right there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about that. Our good friend Kevin Spacey. Yeah, a friend of the podcast. Oh, God.

So you wanted to talk about... Debs. There's a show Debs. That's on... It's FX Hulu, so I guess FX and Hulu made it together some shit. But it's great. It's from the guy who directed the movie we're going to talk about, X Machina. And it's like a mini-series.

It's not a full show. I don't think it's going to have a season two or anything. But we've all seen it, or most of us have. Everybody but me. And it's great. Sorry. Everybody. It's long.

I don't blame you. It's, you know, plus you're not like the hugest fan of X Machina. Yeah. And I really enjoyed X-Machina and annihilation. I like Alex Garland. I'll for sure check out this show. I don't dislike Alex Garland, that's for sure. It has some Alex Garland-isms, the show that's, like, annoying.

And like some threads from Ex Machina that are, like, exactly the same or, like, similar. And it's kind of, it's like kind of going through the same bag of tricks again, it feels like. But it's really good, and it's really smart. and everything you'd expect from him. Like, it looks fucking gorgeous. Like, the sets and everything, like, especially the main, like, devs room, wherever they did,

where they're developing the technology. Yeah. That room's amazing. It's like floating cube thing. Yeah. I found it very haunting, like, very scary for whatever reason. Like, the idea that we can,

basically, the general gist, I don't want to, like, give any spoilers, but they make a computer that can, like predict the future and and it can like look into the past and stuff it's like a really complex it's like a really complex algorithm yeah and and like it's so complex that's like 100% accurate and it's super scary to watch because you're like you're kind of thinking about your own reality while you're watching it and you're like this is like what if this is possible it's fucked up but that's just what I was thinking and that idea that you're cemented into your fate like that

like this is what's going to happen to you there's no escape from it. It's really scary. All of his movies are like, there's this science fiction element, but it's really creepy what he's exploring with it, these things, these concepts that you'd ever really think about. I like that. And it makes you feel like so small and helpless. And all of his movies do that. I love that. Yeah. Especially when it delves into the kind of multiverse type thing, the way it displays it visually, I thought was really creative and interesting. And like you say, it is really thought-provoking. Like, I don't think. think the plot is anything that special or interesting, but it is propped up by, yeah, that kind

of scientific concept that really does get you thinking. It's all like thinky type movies like Garland's, most of his stuff is actually. And yeah, it by the end it is really quite creepy and gets under your skin. Okay. So, so it has multiverses. Interesting. I was going to ask if, um, so like they built basically this, this like program or like this machine that can like predict the future. or something? Yeah, it's like a TV, it's basically a TV screen. Okay. Do they just watch it?

Explain the mechanics of it at all? Does it like measure every molecule in the universe or something? Yeah, it's basically creating a simulation out of molecules in the universe. Okay. And it is predicting where they're going to go and where they've been. And it creates a whole algorithm on that. Okay, that's cool. I like that.

It kind of makes sense. Yeah, like, yeah. I'm like kind of a determinist anyway, so. It drills, it drills the idea into your head that, like, you, Don't make any choices, you know? Everything that you do is predicted and, like, will happen. So it's just, it fucks with your head. It's crazy.

Okay, that's great. Yeah, the main girl, the protagonist in the show is in X-Machina. Yeah, she's in X-Machina. Yeah, she's Asian robot. Yeah, yeah. In X-Moggin, I forgot her name. Kyo. Kiyoko.

How did you feel about her? Because a lot of people I see are winging about her performance. and the character in general. How did you guys feel about that? Yeah, like, I thought she was definitely one of the least interesting characters out of the bunch, but she's completely necessary for the, like, mechanics of the story to work. And I didn't have too many problems with her performance. Every now and again, there's a little thing that might have annoyed me,

but it didn't ruin the experience for me or anything. Yeah. I noticed in the credits they had an accent coach or, like, a dialogue coach. maybe that was for her? Like, I don't know. Possibly. Yeah, her performance at times was a little distracting. But I wouldn't say she was bad the whole time.

The heart of it is Nick Offerman, I reckon. Yeah. He was my favorite character by far. He was really interesting, but you couldn't make him the main character because then, like, I don't know, he's a little too out there. I really like Kenton, his CIA former CIA bodyguard. That was a really interesting character, I thought. Yeah, he reminded me of Kevin Spacey weirdly. You know, like, voice in space, it really reminded me.

Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. It's the hair. How about her boyfriend or whatever, her ex-boyfriend, who's like playing Dark Souls and pauses it? Oh, yeah. I was like, what the fuck? You can't pause Dark Souls.

That's what shit. Yeah. Oh, you're true. That's right. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. What's the fuck. What's the whole... What happened to his character a little predictable.

But I liked him. He was okay. It's really not a character piece as much as it is about that science. fiction concept and like that's the more interesting stuff I thought yeah I don't think Garland I don't know he his characters aren't what makes any of his movies good to me like they're kind of vessels to show off these scientific concepts in a way yeah he's all about themes mm-hmm right yeah lots of like literary references like all of this stuff poems and biblical kind of references which are satisfying to to put together I think the strongest characters in his movies are the ones that like

the actor just brings a lot to it. Like Oscar Isaac and Ex Machina or in this, you have Nick Offerman and Kenton and all these really good actors. Who's the girl? She plays Kim and Scott Pilgrim. That's how I know. She was good too. I don't know the actor's name, but yeah, she was good.

Although, I don't know if it needed to be eight episodes, honestly. I feel like it sagged a bit in the middle. One of those. I could have done with it. It being tightened up a little bit, whereas I kind of feel the opposite of like Ex-Marcina, which I'll get into in a... bit. Who was the actor that played the, uh, that kid who was fired from devs? Yeah, he's like the prodigy, a young genius kid. Yeah, um, they're in that Pacific Rim movie, that really

bad one, the sequel. I really, I liked her little, uh, like the whole bridge thing. I like that a lot, that that was cool. Yeah, the conclusion for that character was really interesting and like hammered home the, the theory stuff. I'm trying really hard not to spoil anything. So I'm not saying anything. Yeah. You can be vague. The senior is on the bridge. I mean, like, I don't know.

If you want to go into a spoiler discussion, as long as you just say beforehand, that's fine. I'm not like the type of person that really gives too much of a shit about being spoiled. Like, it's more about, like, the presentation and experience for me. And if there was something you wanted to, yeah, talk about, go for it. If it were me, I wouldn't want it spoiled for me. So, like, if I don't want something spoiled for me, I want to spoil it for someone else. Okay.

I don't know. I just feel like I'm probably more of a more of a fan of Alex Garland stuff than you guys, maybe. I don't know. I just, I really love Denialation. I'm a big fan of Ex Machina. Like, I love this show too. I just enjoy something that has a voice

like this. That's very clear. It has like a director's vision, but it's a show. It's a series. And that's becoming like more common now and I like that. I love that it was short. It wasn't like dragged on. If they did a season two, it'd completely ruin it. You know what I mean? Uh-huh.

He said if he's going to do a season two or some other thing, it would be totally different. Yeah, as it should be. Are you a fan of the screenplays that he's written for Danny Boyle? I don't know what that is. Sunshine 28 days later. Yeah, 28 days later. Oh, yeah, I like 28 days later a lot. Yeah, that's probably one of my favorite Zy movies, actually.

Yeah, that's a great. He also wrote a video game called Inslaveed Odyssey to the West, and I have that on PS3. but I haven't actually, like, played the whole thing yet. I've played that. I've played that. I've played that. I've played that.

Ooh. Yeah. How's that? It's pretty good. It's like a loose adaptation of that Chinese monkey tail, you know, the one I'm over. Monkey's Pa? Yeah, with like Pigsie and all that. And he rides like a cloud and stuff like that.

I don't know if that's the same thing I was thinking. Oh. I don't know how it would hold up now. It was kind of one of those like mid-tier kind of games. It was just like quite short. It didn't go too crazy, but it was interesting. and Andy Circus played the main characters, so that was a pretty good performance from memory. He also did dread, and apparently directed the movie.

Oh, what? Really? He apparently, yeah, yeah, according to Carl Urban. No, no, according to Carl Urban, he is basically responsible for the movie to coming together. Okay. Kind of like the way Spielberg is known for directing Poultergeist. It's kind of that sort of situation. Okay.

So Pete Travis is listed as the director on IMDB. Yeah, yeah. But I was reading through, I think, the wiki or on IMDB, and apparently that's the case. And I'd heard that before. Oh, so Pete Travis is a big phony. Hack fraud. You want to rate the show now? I don't have anything spoilery to say except there's a plot line involving, I'll be very vague.

Russians. That was a little much. But besides from that. Yeah, it didn't go anywhere. It just felt kind of out of place. Yeah. It didn't go anywhere, right? And it was so silly compared to the rest of it.

Because you're dealing with like these Silicon Valley people and it's very much like on top of all this other stuff about fate, you have Nick Offerman's character who's like this ridiculous billionaire who's dealing with a lot of personal stuff and he's just unloading money onto this godlike project without any concern for the repercussions of it. It's because, you know, it's his own delusion and want for power. and that destroys him in the end. That was super cool, too. Yeah.

I think the whole show's great. When I give it a rating, I'd give it an 8 out of 10. Yeah, same, probably. Yeah. Or, I don't know, maybe a 9. Nine. Yeah, I pretty much agree entirely with your review you wrote on Letterbox, Trouf. I think that's a pretty good summary of it.

I don't know if I give it four-star. I'm kind of torn between a 7 and an 8 kind of rating for me, just because of... I watched like six episodes, a row and then I just like did some other stuff for a bit and wasn't compelled to rush back to it or anything so I didn't think it was particularly stellar aside from the like production and the the theory side of it and all that but it is still very good a very nice thoughtful piece of science fiction so yeah I'm gonna you know I'm gonna settle on a seven beautiful thanks for

reading my review. If you watch seven episodes in a row of anything, then it's a pretty good show, I think. I guess. I love the music, too, in this. He used his music really well, both weird, like, avant-garde, sci-fi music that you'd expect out of 2001 or something, and then, like, just, like, rock music, like, or alternative that's like, oh, that fits. Yeah, it was the same composer as Annihilation, and I really like the music in that way.

I think it's really striking and creepy. Yeah, the soundtrack in Annihilation is great, that's for sure. I've heard it used in like a bunch of YouTube videos at this point. There's this really funny Wendy Williams show at it where like it turned into like the ending of the Syspira remake by the end of it. It was really, really funny. I'll link you, I'll link you that one later. Okay. It's so funny.

All right. Did you want to move on to Ex-Machana? Mm-hmm. So that's Debs. Congrats, Alex Garland. We'll move on to another movie he made. Yeah, did it. Called Exmachina. Spoiler discussion. Everybody. Spoiler discussion for this movie. It is from...

Do, do, do we pull it up here. 2014? Yeah. Very good. You got a better memory. And it stars Alicia Vakander, Oscar Isaac, and Domhaw Gleeson. Alicia Vakander's a robot that Oscar Isaac built. in a strange facility in his house in the middle of nowhere, and he brings Domhawk Liesin to come in and give the robot a Turing test to see if it's really conscious or just pretending to be.

And it's fucking awesome. It's another sci-fi horror movie, kind of. And I don't know. I think it's still stuck with people. I think it's really original. And, yeah, what did you guys think of it? It's good. Good.

Yes, good, right? It's weird. I have a weird experience with it because this is my second time watching it. I remember like really loving it the first time. And I didn't love it quite as much this time. But in thinking about it, I do kind of love it. It's the thing. I think it's really smart in the way it's integrated like I was mentioning earlier with devs and a lot of his other work.

So many like literary references and like Shakespeare and Frankenstein. And there's just a lot to think about a lot of interesting concepts in the whole. I love the manipulation angle of the. the movie and just the way that's presented with like the what's her name ava and whenever she's kind of manipulating uh Caleb there tends to be a lot of like reflection shots with uh that show the kind of two-faced nature of what she's doing it was really interesting seeing it for a second time because you don't know where it's going the first time you're watching it so it's interesting watching how this machine which you know is manipulating him is getting away with it in the like rewatch

so it kind of added a new layer for me She gave a very good performance, too. She played with almost like doughy-eyed, like very sweet-looking and innocent. But behind the scenes, you know, she's doing this whole plan to basically escape at the end. And I didn't see that coming at all. I didn't see that twist where she would be that kind of a monster where she would just leave the facility and leave Domel-Cleason locked up in there. Yeah, she's ruthless.

Yeah, she's ruthless. But it was so well set up and subtle. There's a lot of, like, biblical themes in this movie, too. which I thought was kind of interesting, like the whole Adam and Eve thing. And this is kind of strange because Ava and Eve, you know, they're kind of similar. Yeah, all of the names are biblical, I think, from the three main characters. Nathan is supposed to be like a representation of God while Caleb is supposed to be Adam, I guess. I thought that was kind of interesting and definitely not something that I cut on the first time I watched it.

Is there like a forbidden fruit element to it? There isn't devs, actually. Oh, yeah? Yeah, Devs definitely. Okay, cool. Devs has a lot of religious stuff. Yeah, there is the seven-day thing. Mm-hmm.

That's true. That it took her to escape while Kayla was there. How does that tie into the Bible again? I forget. What's the seven days? It's like the world was created in seven days. Oh, okay. Right?

Okay, I guess that makes sense. Mm-hmm. And God. Well, I guess God in this movie is like Oscar Isaac, right? Yeah. Because he made life. There is one thing that really bothered me about this movie. There's only one, and it's such a small thing, but I don't know.

It's so dumb. The fact that this guy is a multi-billionaire, and he's like a tech god, right? But he uses these little keycard things for his facility to get around when obviously that's not very secure. I don't know. That's true. Oh, right.

He should have used like a thumbprint scanner or an eye scanner. Yeah. Those exist. I think it's worse that he can, the main character can override all of the security protocols with that key card instead of having. like anything password protected like ignore the doors like he can literally change the entire security system with that key card that's that's a gigantic security flaw he just

does not give a fuck about security he just loves these robots it's weird I guess not yeah mr. Smarty pants fucking genius over here it's weird because he made that joke in the film where he was like talking about the guys who installed the the stuff in his facility and he's like, oh, I had them all killed, you know. Yeah, I wonder if that was true. Yeah. He says it jokingly, but you never know, based on the character, could have actually happened. Another thing I really liked was Oscar Isaac's character.

You could see that he was also struggling with the whole, am I human or am I not type of thing. The first thing you see him doing in the movie is he's exercising, you know, getting his heart rate up, which is something that machines can't do, you know? So I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah, that's interesting. And also sets up, like, he beats them at the end with the weight. So it was like a clever way of setting up that. Oh, yeah, yeah.

The weapon at the end. Because usually it's so obvious when, like, they set up a knife or something that's going to be used later. Chekhov's weight. But it was, it was well done. Chekhov's weight. Part of the manipulation of these robots, too, in the movie is they're not a great box. like Dom Holkleason says, they're women. They're like these very attractive women that Oscar Isaac made,

probably because he's a weirdo when a creep that he wanted to build the women like that. It's also important. Yeah, you do. And that's partly why Dom Helgleason turns against him. It's because there's a different, more perverted level to what he's doing. But it's something I liked about the movie is, like we talked about movies like showgirls that have tons of naked people, but it's it's so pornographic and not like part of his story at all that it's just pointless and silly

this it felt very appropriate to the story and about since it's about sexuality it wasn't gratuitous at all yeah yeah i'll agree there i didn't think for sure yeah there there's an element to the actual story that makes it necessary i think that one of my favorite aspects of this movie would have to be oscar isaac i like his character a lot he's probably the only character that i really like in the movie. I'm not really fun of the main character at all. I felt like, you know, as, as you were explaining earlier, like, the characters in certain things that he's created are more or less just vessels for the story, I guess. I didn't really feel connected to Dom Hall Gleason's character, and I didn't really think that it was particularly a great performance or anything. I found him

kind of annoying, honestly. Yeah, for the story to work, he kind of has to be, naive and impressed by everything. Yeah. He's like out of his element. He's just kind of a porn in the story. Yeah. Until it's revealed it. With that, you mentioned earlier the bit where he kind of overrides the security system.

And I think that is one of the weaker parts in the movie where there's kind of two reveals where Oscar Isaac reveals that he was a pawn the whole time. But then Caleb also reveals that the night before he changed the entire security system. It's just like a bit much for such a small. Yeah. I mentioned earlier, I almost think this idea could have been fleshed out into like a type of miniseries thing, which I would have found really interesting. As much as I like the quick pacing of it because it doesn't drag at all, I almost wanted more, which is a good, which is, I'd prefer that over, you know, the opposite, but there's a lot going on. You know, it's a weighty idea and you do want to see it expanded because it is the whole film set over the course of a week. And that's actually a detail I really like with the, after.

Nathan is killed, there's another title saying that it's a, what, session seven or something, implying that it was Ava kind of testing them the entire time instead of the other way around. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, which is a nice little detail. I personally do kind of feel like it dragged on a bit for my own experience, honestly. Really? Well, it gets a little repetitive for me. it is a lot of the same thing happening for the whole movie.

It's like a bottle movie, yeah. You know, like these test sessions and then take a break, you know, talk to Oscar Isaac, maybe have a shot outside where they're talking instead of just keeping it inside, then go back to the session thing. Like, it hits, I don't know, it's a little repetitive for me. And I think mostly because I hope I don't offend anybody by saying this, but I don't find the philosophical elements of this film to be really all that deep. I find it to be kind of just repeating thoughts that I've already had just from experiencing other movies.

And although other movies, like, you know, when I was younger, I watched, like, AI artificial intelligence. And even though in that film, the philosophical ideas weren't as explicit, like they weren't as explicitly said in that, movie, I felt like I was more or less thinking about the same kind of things of like, okay, well, what makes up a human consciousness, right? Like, are these robot AI beings, are, are their consciousness as legitimate as a human beings, even if what they're doing is essentially just programmed? Because in a way, even human beings are also programmed by our own biology, by our own evolution, stuff like that. And so although this film said it more explicitly, it wasn't ever really any kind of like new idea or thought process for me. And there's like there's other media that I feel really

dove in in a much more interesting way. There's a game I really like called the the Talos principle. And it's one of very few games where like actually reading through, you know, you find all these little like computers everywhere and you can read through all. of this, you know, lore and all of these ideas. It's one of very few games where I actually want to read everything, because what they're saying is, like, so incredibly deep and thought-provoking, and I just love where it's coming from, whereas in this movie, I don't really feel like it was as fleshed out as something like that. And of course, you know, two different mediums. One's a video game, one's a film, and so you have more of an opportunity to do that in a longer

video game but still I did not find the philosophical elements in this movie to be incredibly deep personally and so that's why it got a bit repetitive for me. I think it's propped up by the mystery angle that's what keeps it most

engaging to me because it does have that like backbone in the background of the like philosophy stuff and all these little like the painting the Jackson Pollock painting is one of his works that he went back to to adjust or something. It's just like a little Easterer kind of detail,

just like Oscar Issa's character was doing. It's just like full of so much detail in the Misan scene and all that shit. I don't know. I really think the film flows really nicely and it escalates to a nice degree because the mystery angle of the Ava shutting down the power and just manipulating him basically and planting those seeds of like there's something nefarious going on is enough of a hook for me to stay interested.

I'll give it that same word, nice. It's just not, it's not that much further for me. It's a nice movie. It's nice contained, you know, small scale, but with production value and some good animation, doesn't, you know, even though it is repetitive for me, it doesn't, like, extremely overstay its welcome or anything. It's not, like, a huge commitment.

It is a nice film. I just don't think it's amazing. And I know a lot of people do, and I'm probably upsetting a lot of people, as usual, I guess. But yeah, I'm just not, like, blown away by it. I prefer annihilation to this movie, actually. Even though I don't think that's a perfect movie either. I don't think it's amazing.

But I'm more quick to watch Annihilation another time. Like, I watched that twice just because I wanted to, Whereas ex Machina, I wouldn't have watched a second time if it wasn't for the podcast. Well, I find the characters in Annihilation, like, kind of weak. And I really don't like the first hour of that movie at all. This one feels so much more. This one feels so much tighter. It's a trick of the light.

It's so much. I mean, there's issues with that movie. I mean, there's so much. It's just a better movie, I think. Like, Alex, what you were saying, how each time you watched it, it got a little less interesting. I found it more interesting the more I watched it. This is something that's actually grown with me over time. And I think there's enough that it's exploring differently that it makes it stand out. Like there's that there's that whole sexuality angle. There's the

visual effects are fucking gorgeous in this too. You're like completely seamless. I like the set design of whole thing. I like the subtlety. I like the slow burn of it. And there's not a lot of movies that are that are giving you that and I appreciate Alex Garland for putting himself out there and doing that yeah it's not a it's not an easy task to tackle something like this uh it's like it's really complex and I feel like it takes someone with balls to do something like this like anybody can make a horror movie that's like oh spooky ghost but I just feel like something like this where the themes are so complex it's like that in itself especially if you if you succeed at any level. I think it's cool. Yeah, it just never comes off silly. It always felt very realistic and I

like the characters a lot except Domhung Liesin, maybe he was a little, he was a little straight, a little straight and like predictable. I do feel like I didn't like how Nathan in the movie, he's either like really arrogant and he has this god complex and so he he overlooks a lot of shit. Either that or like he's just not as smart as I mean he's he's really good with tech but everything else he sucks at. Like how could he not have seen this coming? If he planned for the test to be for Ava to escape and Dom Wigleason is like the test subject basically. Like obviously he implanted like this massive amount of data into this woman's mind. So she's so much smarter than he is. She's going to find a way out. So it's like, why even have the test?

Because he has such a giant ego. That's totally what the impression I know. He would even tell Domholt. He would tell Domhawk Gleason things about the technology he's developing. And in his mind, he thinks it's great. He was like talking about how Eva had a vagina or whatever. He was like, oh, this is amazing. See? Fully functional. Like he's doing something good, fully functional. But Domhall Gleason doesn't take it that way at all. It's like, it's like Oscar Isaac is, He's not getting it at all that what he's doing is actually really wrong. Yeah, he's full of himself. Yeah, he's so full of himself.

And it's similar to Devs too, where you have that tech billionaire guy who gets so obsessed with his own creation and that he becomes like a god. He doesn't realize what he's doing. And I guess that doesn't really bother me, going back to Elvis's point, because they kind of establish that he's having problems of alcohol. And that's kind of how he's given the chance to, you know, Caleb is able to get in there. Yeah, so he's kind of like, he's a little bit weakened by the time Caleb shows up anyway. I'm assuming he's like having issues with alcohol. He's probably lonely because he has no friends or anything. He's just with these robots all day that he's spelled.

It's a good quarantine movie. Great quarantine. Yeah, true. Right. And going back to that, um, uh, like restraint angle, I really enjoy the, the scene where Ava murders Nathan. Like, there's nothing flashy about it. She's just holding a knife and just like really, really,

gently just kind of shoves it into him. There's no silly sound effects or anything, no scary robot. Yeah. It feels really real to me when I watch it. That's why I find it so impactful. I kind of disagree that the movie is never silly, though. I think there are a couple silly moments. The dance scene.

I mean, that's intentional. That's interesting. That's hilarious. That's funny. I like that scene. I love how they're both coordinated. Like, just they have the same choreography. You can tell he'd like, programmed it and rehearsed it.

And he's like, this is what he's been doing to kill time. It's just like this fucking dance routine. And he was probably waiting for forever to like show someone else. And hopefully they'll be impressed sort of thing. Like that was funny. I like that part. Now's the time to shine. That's probably the most memorable part of the movie for me.

But yeah, I don't know. There's other parts of it that come off as like a little unintentionally silly. Like when the main character is like cutting himself and like trying to See if he's a robot like I get what it's saying It's just presented in kind of a silly way for me Yeah For the most part the soundtrack is good I enjoy the soundtrack for the most part

But I don't think it complements the movie in every Instance that it appears There's the part where Oscar Isaac is Like on the couch and he's confronting the main character And there's this whole sort of like Hey this is like a synonymous kind of like uncomfortable scene where

Oscar Isaac's character is starting to be revealed as kind of like this kind of like villain character in a way and I feel like the music in that scene kind of made it a bit more cheesy than if it didn't exist there

personally. It spelled that out a little. Yeah. Like spelled it out too much. Okay. Yeah, I can get that. I was kind of feeling that too. Personally I didn't find the scene when Donald Gleason's cutting himself very believable? I don't know.

I just feel like if I were in the same shoes, yeah, I wouldn't have done that. Like, I probably would have been questioning things, but to that extent is a little bit extreme, I think. Yeah. You need to be set up better. Everything with his character is just, he's just too, he's kind of dull.

Yeah, I don't like it. Because they only have a week. Yeah. You only have a week to explore it, you know? Like, if it was set over maybe a longer period of time, you really could have hammered home the mind games that were going on. I guess so.

I feel like at some point that might be something you would do, because seeing what he is seeing is like a real, would be a total mind fuck, especially with how high level it is. So I don't have a problem with him potentially doing that. I guess it was just the, how quick it got that. Yeah, give it like a month, not like five days. Yeah.

Really hammered home the whole isolation aspect. Especially when he knows he's like being watched. on camera and everything too. And then Oscar Isaac confronts him about it later. He's like, you don't seem like you're doing too well. Like, what the fuck are you doing? You're crazy. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the main character.

Or the performance even. I'm not sure I have seen much from Dom Hall-Gleason and anything else, honestly. It's a weird fucking name. He's in Black Mirror. Oh, yeah? Which one? where he played a robot It was where the wife's

Like husband died And then he comes back as a robot Oh yeah She gets a replacement husband Yeah that's it He's in dread He was Apparently I'm just on IMDB

I don't remember him at all He's uh He's in Star Wars He's that iconic character I forgot his name But he just yells a bunch Oh yeah No I remember

Fucking waste of a character Yeah The guy who dies. The guy who gets, yeah, who served no purpose in the story and then dies. Yeah, I remember now. That's funny. Yeah, he's Mad I Moody's son.

Like the actor who plays Mad Eye Moody. Oh. That really good actor. Branking on his name. Yeah, I like where the story goes, for sure. I like that it does end with the main character being cucked. Like, that's kind of fun.

because I don't like him and I don't want to see him succeed I don't like the main character so it's a little satisfied I agree if it ended with like her releasing him and they both like run off into the sunset I would have hated it and then they get married yeah I really would have not liked that ending

yeah that would have been a woofoo she doesn't even look at him it's great she gives them like a little glance as the elevator's closing it's fucking perfect it's kind of strange though do you think she has any humanity in her or is she just like a monster humanity what do you mean because she's not human no i know but like that's the whole thing she she pretty much is human because everything about her is human right

so like she would have empathy and all that or does she she has kind of like dreams and fantasies it's clear she's conscious and she's self-aware of herself and everything around her which is why she wants to escape you say it's clear but i think that that's like one of the philosophical that it raises, though, is like, is what she's doing just a programmed response to something, or is it genuine? And if so, regardless of which one it is, is that different than what a human being does, right? Like, those are the philosophical questions there. Yeah, you could argue that people's actions are all programmed responses to it.

Action reaction based on external stimuli. So it's just way that she just doesn't like him at all. Maybe it's because he revealed to her that he was like just there to test her. Because then from that point on, she probably just saw him as a means to an end. Yeah, or maybe she sees every human being that way. Maybe she doesn't process people in a way where she would want or where she would feel any necessity to having emotions for them. Like that's a very real possibility for the film. Oscar Isaac just made like the ultimate high.

functioning sociopath. Yeah. Yeah. I assume she was kind of programmed to like want to escape or something like that, like manipulate him. She's like a rat in a test tube type thing, just trying to escape and doing anything in her power. Why did you program me to feel pain? Basically, she has her own desires, I guess. You'd assume if he goes through all this trouble to try and free her, then she might take some liking to him, right? I mean, if she were ever, any human... If she has the capacity. Or at least feel some guilt when she leave them.

Yeah. If she was programmed to be able to feel those things. Yeah. Well, she ends the movie by going to that intersection, which kind of implies that, you know, she dreams and has wants for something. That's like her goal, is freedom, I guess, until they integrate. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Man, we really should have watched artificial intelligence, too, because I feel like that movie is... We covered it on a previous episode. Yeah, we covered it in the past. Oh, you did, yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. It is a good one.

That one's grown on me, too. When I first saw it, I was a little... Because there's some goofier elements that I wasn't too happy about. But I think it's grown on me a little. Someone on the subreddit said, there's nothing to talk about with this movie. I should have recommended another one. I'm like, what? Ex-Moggina?

I feel like, there's so much to talk about. Whatever. People in their Reddit. stupid. We got a good half hour out of it. We should have done land before time. Yeah, we should have done Madagascar, yeah. I liked

I liked the shadow shot at the end. I felt like it was like decently well shot throughout. Nothing like super amazing or anything. I like the sets more than I liked the cinematography. I don't think the story called for anything too

like crazy with the cinematography. It's mostly just people talking. Small contained kind of thing. Yeah. Okay, here's a big question for you guys. Ready? Are you ready? I'm ready.

Where does it get the skin and all the parts? Huh? Where's it come from? Nonny machines. Does he have a little factory in his basement? This movie is set in the same universe is under the skin. So the aliens take the skin from the people now. And they give it to Oscar Isaac.

Like, he does all the work? Like, if you're a billionaire, you don't want to do all the fucking work. Like, put all the machines together. He orders it from Amazon. In this universe, they have the drone service up and running, and the batteries last a long time, and they can fly it out to him. Oh, I see. It all makes sense now.

Yeah. Yeah, there's things like that. You just kind of have to accept. Because you start going down that rabbit hole, like, just the whole thing will unravel. I'm just saying, if I was a billionaire, I would not be doing the shit myself. I'd probably be on a beach somewhere. what do you think of Kiyoko's

moment near the end what do you think about the idea of Ava just whispering into her ear and then she's like yeah I'll try to kill this guy she was downloading the plan yeah well it's like I don't know because Kiyoko is a character

that you'd have to imagine based on what we see in the film feels a lot of resentment towards Oscar Isaac's character and she's probably probably like raped by him constantly, right? Yeah. And so I'm just like kind of curious about like her character and, you know, she's, we see

her preparing food and stuff. Like she has knives and weapons and she's alone with him for a lot of the film and even before the main character shows up, obviously. So it's like, I wonder, I'm kind of wondering like what was whispered and like what what that even means in terms of like just being able to persuade this other character just being like hey you want to kill him now or something like i'm kind of i kind of took her as like a more primitive model that wasn't nearly as advanced like there's that part where um caleb goes in to room where she is and she just like starts undressing and it's like

is that a behavior that's just been coded in or is she just so used to doing it and has the freedom Like I guess it's just one of the unanswered questions. But I do think it is one of the most obvious reveals to me is that she's also a robot. Like even my first time watching it, I thought that was like my first thought as soon as she was in a scene. Maybe Ava was like changing her coding, kind of like freeing her from her from her captivity. She connected to her Bluetooth. Yeah. Yeah.

If she was like a maid robot, maybe she could just command her to do. what she said, I don't know. Yeah. She hacked into her mainframe. I definitely didn't see her character as any more than like a sex slave. And like, yeah, and like a literal slave, just making dinner and clearing the table and stuff like that. Did you guys, when you first saw the movie, did you think that she was a robot or not? I thought she was.

At first, at first. Yeah, I did instantly. It was probably somewhere in my mind, but I honestly don't remember. Yeah. I don't even know if that was supposed to be a twist. It was just like, it was so obvious to me. I mean, at first, I wasn't completely convinced. I thought that she was probably one, but I was like, okay, well, maybe he has, like, a servant

lady. I don't know. But the way she put the plate down, I was like, okay, that's robotic as fuck. Yeah, and if I actually can't speak and stuff and doesn't, like, really emote or communicate in any way. Right. I wish they play with that more. I wish that she was more human, so it kind of surprised people.

I don't know. I feel like there was something going on there. Like maybe Ava could see like through her or something like spy on them through her Because she comes down to them at the she comes down to Ava at the end in the lab right Mm-hmm Like doesn't she help her escape? Yeah, I don't know maybe she was just walking around Maybe she was just hanging out

Maybe she was trying to get like a better Wi-Fi signal or something In the basement I would love it if just like at random points throughout the movie she like opened her mouth and started making fax machine noises or some shit The main character is like, what was that? The Oscar Isaac is like, nothing. That's just, that's her, that's her culture. That's her language. Some shit.

Tries to like play it off as like perfectly normal. Ignore that. Did you guys see Nathan as racist at all? Like, you know, since she was like Asian and, or do you think he was just playing with the fact that he didn't want her to speak English? What do you mean? Oh yeah, there's that too. You might just had a fetish?

Yeah, because remember he was talking to Caleb and he was like, like, do you have a type, right? Like, do you say you like black chicks or whatever? Like he, and I'm guessing his type was Asian girls or something. You never know, because he go through all that security footage. Ava's also modeled off of what Domhawk Leeson searched up. Yeah, yeah. But that's what he says anyway.

So that does make sense, actually. He had like a bunch of different models. I think he had a bunch of skins in the closet. Yeah, do you think you fuck them all? Probably. Just the one. I'm assuming he fucked. He fucked every single one of them.

He probably had a big robot orgy. Yeah, it's probably what happened. He got him to dance first. I suppose that's kind of crucial for his character, because I don't know how evil he'd be without that sexual side being shown. Otherwise, he's just kind of like a mad genius, you know? Yeah.

Like, he's just testing the limits of his creation, and that's the main thing, right? So he's, like, perfectly engineered these, like, sex toys basically. Yeah. There's a bit more of an exploitative element with that there.

Yeah, especially if you've got this guy here testing to see if it is like a life form and you're fucking them all building them to fuck them. It's pretty creepy. And he also says like, no, I'm like her dad. He's like, well, you're the dad to every one of them, right? That's what he says.

Yeah. He said it. God. That's weird. It's like he actually spent the time to develop like a vagina, like a metallic vagina for these women. Yeah, that they react to too. You wouldn't?

You wouldn't? Yeah. That's the weird thing. It wasn't just he's making sex robots. They're fully functioning conscious, basically people, but he uses them for this purpose. It's sick. That element is a little, it's a little dmented. Yeah, I don't know.

There's one scene that I had an issue with that has to do with the cards that they, used to go in and out of rooms when he's really drunk and he drops on the ground or no he he he's like oh where is my card you know he's like looking through his pockets and then domo gleason's like oh you dropped it i feel like that is really stupid i know he's really drunk and i've been really drunk before he wasn't blackout drunk he was still walking around you know he might have been blackout drunk really yeah you can be like you can be black out and still be like functioning he He was kind of like on the floor too. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

I do think he should have put it in the couch, though. I think that would have been more believable. He's been like, oh, you were sleeping on the couch, and it was in the couch. I just thought it was suspicious. If I was Oscar Isaac in that situation, I would be suspicious. Because he just walks in and he's like, oh, here it is on the floor, right in front of you. I was like, what? I was just hanging out in the elevator, whatever.

But that might have been the start of like Oscar Isaac's suspicions. Maybe he, no, he, maybe he picked up. on that and that's why he put a camera in the room and started spying on them a little bit I thought he had a camera in the room already because was that before yeah it's hard to know well he put because those power cuts yeah he put an extra camera in the other room that was battery powered because Ava would kept she kept shutting off the lights yeah talk to him yeah that was a little weird too because she said that she charges her batteries through the induction plates and she was able to reverse something

and then shut off the power basically, which was weird because, like, when she did it half the time, she wasn't, like, touching anything unless there were just, like, induction plates underneath her feet at every moment, and that's how she was doing it. I don't really know.

Yeah. It's science stuff. Science. And it's weird, like, that's the way she charges, right? Her battery. So if she's doing it in reverse and she's losing charge,

wouldn't that, like, turn her off? I don't know. It's just weird. Yeah, I don't know how that works. Whatever. The only purpose of the power outs was just to talk to Zomholeason too. But Oscar Isaac said before the movie, before the movie starts that there were power outs. Yeah.

So, well, she's just doing that before. Maybe to make it look less suspicious when he shows up. She was just fucking around. But that must have implied that she knew that he was coming and when he was coming. Maybe. And I don't know why she would have that. I don't know. Yeah.

There's like a few things in this movie if you really try to like break it down. aren't don't make a lot of sense like i really like the concept of like the how we describes the brain being something that you know was like a fluid kind of mechanical substance so it could like write and rewrite over itself but i don't see i don't see why that wouldn't be possible with just like some sort of like software algorithm you can still write a code where things are able to rewrite their own information and draw new you know artificial circuitry not necessarily having to be like physical circuitry from like one one associative mind thought to another like you'd think that that would just be possible within a program but I still like the concept even if it doesn't make a lot

of sense yeah and the fact that it had to be like a brain in the head like how human are you trying to make these things it's just weird right yeah what the fuck just computers a brain in the head it's like like a robot brain yeah like a literal robot brain What if? It just looked like a brain, but it was actually in their butt. I don't know if he ever said it was in their head. Yeah, it would up to security, but we already know he sucks with security, right? Like, if you want to kill one, you wouldn't shoot it in the butt.

You would shoot in the head. Never know. All right. I've said everything I wanted to say about this movie. I don't know. Be it, you guys. Yeah. Sure.

You can get into ratings. I fuck with robots. What'd you think, Elvis, out of 10? What would you give it? An 8. That's probably what I give it. 8 out of 10. Yes.

On the exact same level. Four star. Eight. And I'm giving this one a 6 at a 10. It's a very nice... It's a nice movie. It's contained. It's fine.

I'm just like, it doesn't speak to me. It doesn't engage me in ways that I would want, especially out of a movie that's being philosophical. Yeah, a little repetitive for me, some cheesy moments. Nice overall. I like Oscar Isaac. I like his character. I like where the movie goes, plot-wise, I guess.

But yeah, just not an incredibly personal or engaging experience for me. It's fine. I guess I'm just a sucker for sci-fi. Like, anything that's sci-fi, really? Like, it already has an upper hand on me. most things Cloverfield Paradox Oh God

Let's not bring that up please Yeah I like sci-fi like this That isn't stupid Yeah I like Alex Garland I like sunshine more than I like this movie I like annihilation Even though yeah it's flawed also But yeah I'm excited to see more of what he does

And I'll check out devs too Hell yeah I like that he really tries to make stuff that, you know, forces the audience to think. Yeah, it's heady. Yeah, I feel like we're kind of lacking in that department nowadays. Or they got to throw in an action scene or something. They got to tie it all together at the end with like, you know,

everything's got to make perfect sense. And I don't know. Like annihilation was so vague and at the end. And it's just like crazy with like a bunch of shit going on. There's like no way you could understand what's going on. Yeah, and I appreciate that he does shit like that. because I feel like most people would just turn it off go I don't know what the fuck's going on

yeah I liked annihilation a lot more the second time I saw it just strange yeah yeah I've seen all of his work multiple times including deaths it's that it's just that good have you seen everything he's like directed or also written because I've never seen the beach I'm kind of curious about yeah this was his first one the beach that was another the beach I haven't seen okay no yeah this was uh ex machina was his like a directorial debut, I think.

Which is a really good first movie. He'd been in the industry. Yeah, 100%. For directing, yeah. He'd been writing for years, but it's cool to see him direct that. And apparently, he directed Dread a little. I'm happy to see that this was successful. It's not a movie I hate or anything. All right, question time? Yeah, let's do some questions from the Sard community.

If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer on the upcoming episodes, head over to our subreddit with it will be a suggestion thread. Let's start with this one then from Neals 2-765 who says what film has the worst fan base behind it? There's a lot. The worst fan base. Anything superhero related. Really? You think so?

Okay. Yeah, Star Wars. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's the only, like, fan base I've had, like, truly horrible experiences with. Like, every, like, all the stuff I've talked about, like, has been fine, you know? Maybe the old thing here and there. but Star Wars one in particular was like,

dude, I didn't realize it was like on this level. People take it really seriously way more than I ever did. Yeah, and you have Star Wars Lego, so you know, like... Yeah, like I'm a fan myself. Yeah, you're a fan. So I'm saying that as a fan, yeah, man. Yeah, me too. I love Star Wars, but then you have these...

I just didn't know how much people loved it until like these new movies came out. Well, yeah, there's like, it's so huge that there are like sects, you know? Yeah. There's like sex who like this bit, but don't like this bit, and they were sexually like all of it. And it's like it just never ends. And they're constantly clashing and warring in its own weird little meta thing.

It's like a religion almost. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, whenever you put something on too high of a pedestal, it's not a good recipe for like positive discourse. Yeah. Especially on the internet. Star Wars is up there.

You got like a bunch of like film snobby type people that, you know, anything criterion, if you don't like it, they'll freak out. It's like, okay, calm down. There's a bunch of annoying fan bases out there. Superhero movies. People are really, really emotionally attached to these pre-existing characters, regardless of what the film's like. It's like, you're not just attacking the movie.

You're attacking their identity. And that's not a good recipe right there. Yeah. I don't understand people that love a movie so much that it becomes part of them. if someone says I don't like it, they almost take it as an offense. Yeah. Yeah, like a personal insult.

Yeah. Yeah. All my favorite movie is it's like, I imagine like, I don't even have to imagine. There's tons of people that don't like the Holy Mountains, Synecichu, New York, the Lion King.

And I might, you know, be disagreeing with them, but I'm not going to like take it as a personal attack. And, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, okay, if it's not for you, it's not for you, that's fine. No. All right, next question. I guess we answered that. Yeah, did it.

Okay, crappy McDick asks. All right. What are some divisive films that you love? Adam just named a bunch. Yeah, true. I didn't realize how divisive under the skin is, which is a film I love. Is that divisive? Well, yeah, I was looking up all these lists to see, like, what films are considered divisive?

And I was like, oh, I guess that's one of them. I guess some people really don't like it. The same with Under the Silver Lake, just all the films are in the original title. Under the Silver Lake is a good one. That's a weird movie. I really, I really didn't like it at first, but then the second time I watched it, I liked it so much more. I've seen it so many times. I still don't know what it's about, but it's so much of him.

It's so well done, yeah, the whole thing. It is really well done. Those are really good ones. I'm going to leave with those, the ones you guys said. Personally, for me, a movie that I really love that other people might not love, it's kind of random, but it's called The Endless. It has HP Lovecraft stuff in it, and I just love weird stuff like that. And I thought they did it pretty well. It's on my watch list.

Yeah, it's on mine, too. Yeah, it's one of those movies where I know it's not perfect when I watch it, and there's things that they could obviously do better. But I just loved watching it so much because it got under my skin. I don't know it's just one of those things it's like you know when you're a kid and you watch something and then like you just you love it so much

you watch it over and over and then you grow up and you're like okay and you go back and you watch and you're like it's not as good as I thought yeah I don't know Bionical movie yeah Bionical movie

yeah any Harmony Korean film usually pretty divisive I think mother was pretty divisive I don't love that movie but I like it. I think the end is crazy.

I really enjoyed the crazy ending. But I understand the divisiveness of it. Gave me a headache. It's a little full of itself. Yeah, and also, like, as soon as you cast Jennifer Lawrence into a movie like that, you're basically asking for the wrong people to watch it. Exactly.

It's not a lot of crossover. She was in some, like, shitty horror movie before. Between that type of film and, like, her other movies, or people that would see a movie because she is, in it. Yeah, it was funny how quickly the public opinion shifted on her because I remember when she was an up-and-comer it was like, well, she's one to watch.

Everyone loved her. Yeah. She's just like real people. But every since that press conference thing, she fell over. If you put your phone down. Yeah, that was bad. She had that huge scandal too with like the nudes leaking out.

Oh yeah. I can't imagine that. Yeah, that would have sucked. That would have really sucked. Yikes. She was in Red Sparrow. That's right. No one saw that. It's true.

And obligatory performances in the X-Men movies. Because she was passionate at first, because she wasn't as famous. She wasn't Jennifer Lawrence. So you can see this transition of how much she cares. And by, what was it called, Dark Phoenix? You can really see her the look in her face. That's what made me dislike her. Because clearly,

Comic book fans love this shit, no matter what it is. They were probably really excited for a Dark Phoenix movie. And just to see her just not care at all. Not just in that one, and the one before it and even the one before that. It's like, what are you even here for? You get paid hundreds of millions of dollars to suck when there's tons of other actors who could play mystique, just fine. Exactly. It's not like a huge role.

It's not like something to be proud of. I don't know. Exactly. She gets killed off in the movie, too, because she didn't want to be in it anymore. Funny games is really divisive Love that movie A lot of people hate it Oh yeah yeah

A lot of people just absolutely loathe that movie But I think it's great Yeah a weird one I found out There's a group of people that really despise Scott Pilgrim versus the world And find it like the most annoying thing What? I can understand that

I love that movie so much Oh man That's weird. I think it's great. Do they not like hipster culture? I guess because it's like mimicking the style of the like original comics, some people might find annoying. Yeah. There's so much weird things about that movie.

The humor is like really dry and ironic too. Like I could see someone getting really annoyed by that. Yeah. Like the Bollywood musical number by the first Evil X. Yeah. Like I could see. I've watched that movie with people before and they can't stand that part. They think it's too much

But I think all that is just creative and hilarious Agreed It's a shame It's a shame people can't appreciate Scott Polgarum It didn't it flop when it came out It was like a massive bomb right? Yeah that's horrible Two Canadian

Talented people Yeah that too Gross Like Canadians Especially Americans Yeah I guess annihilation was kind of polarizing too Yeah No one saw that one either

So there's every film we like, basically. Every good movie. All right, next question. Individual log asks this. What are some stereotypical things about your countries that you partake in? Barbecues. Beer. Firework.

Should I associate barbecues more with Australia? Oh. Yeah. Shrimp on the Barbie. Yeah. Yeah. Capitalism. Apologizing.

Yeah, that too. In America, it's also like a melting pot of different cultures, too. So there's like a lot of things I do that are mostly Italian. I'd say I'm more like in terms of what I do, like in daily life, it's more toward Italian than American. Like I probably like eat more Italian food and do more Italian things like going to visit family and, you know, shit like that. Yeah. America is the dumbest country. There's like nothing that really defines aside from like what, like hot dogs and Trump.

Like, diners. Diner's. But diners are Greek. Like that's a Greek thing. Like all diners roamed by like Greek people. Yeah. Freedom. Mm-hmm.

Freedom of speech. Oh yeah. Guns. That's it. That's it. Yeah. So going to the gun range. That's the American pastime, right?

Going to gun range. Shooting some tires and some bottles. with a giant like assault rifle that you don't need at all it's like ridiculous I went to one place they had a tank you could crush a tank with a car I'm like that's ridiculous

you could crush a tank with a car you crush a car with a tank that's what I thought that would be crazy that would be fucking great you could drive a tank into a car that just crush it for like $500 or something

I'm like get the fuck out of here Cowboys and guns I'm going out Shoot the L-M-D with the boys, honey Be right back Gotta go to the Old West Like that area I've been to Tombstone before

That's pretty American The frontier That's the only thing we have going for us Cowboys and Guns Yeah That's a very American thing Going to the desert in America Like Arizona

That's very American All right How about you boys I like tea Yeah you do Tea's good Do you guys drink tea? Yeah, is tea a UK thing?

It's a very UK thing. Is it the same thing? I guess certain kinds of tea, because it's like, I don't know, green tea. Isn't that like Asian? China or something? Yeah, green tea is more like an Asian thing. British people love their tea. Yeah.

Yeah, English breakfast. Yeah. Yeah, there are plenty of people who were addicted to it. And they have to have like five cups a day. Yeah. You like beans on toast? Oh, yeah. That's weird.

Oh shit, is that like an English thing? Yeah, I think so. Bangers and Mash? Yeah, that's an English thing. Yeah, I like... Yeah, I partake in all of it. Poutin, French fries and gravy and cheese curds. Oh, yeah, I've heard about it.

Is that good? I've heard it's really good. Yeah, fucking do it. It's great. I don't know why other places don't adopt it. It's like a really simple thing to make. Yeah, French fries and gravy, but also cheese curds. It's very simple.

Yeah, it sounds nasty What the fuck? I just feel The word curd is just nasty to me Lemon curd It's just the word curge It might taste nice But it's just something about it

That makes me just want to gag Really? It has the same feeling as like The word pus Really? Like something I would get out of my eye Like after sleeping Is that what it's made out?

Yeah Yeah, that's it You figured it out Gross Oh Canada is that actually even worse than the United States. What the hell defines Canada? I just listed one thing. We're nice.

Aside from like, maple leaves. We apologize to people. Yeah, we got like maple syrup and shit. We got... Oh, hockey. Puttin. Yeah, hockey. Winter sports in general, I guess. Yeah. Fucking skiing and snowboarding to some degree. Although there are other places that do that certainly. I don't know. Being nice. Not hating everybody else.

Being nice is a universal thing. I don't know. There's a film. industry now in Canada. It's pretty huge. Yeah. That's worth noting. It's so strange how different the states in Canada are, but we're right next to each other.

Like, we have a school shootings every month. And then Canada's like, hey, mate? What the fuck kind of impression was that? Yeah, that sounded like the Mayans. Wait, what do Canadians say? They say, uh, a boot, a. A, abut, a. A.

A. How about that? I was going to park my car at the car park, eh, in the garage? That's really Canadian. Why don't you just totally that normally? Oh, I do. I'm putting on a performance every time you hear me speak. When I'm not on the internet, I let my true Canadian shine.

Do you ever do that, though, where you go back somewhere, like, this more rural or something, and everyone speaks like with an accent and you kind of adopt it just inherently to kind of just fit in and make everyone more comfortable. Yeah, not really so much. I don't know. It really depends on where you are in Canada. There's like small town, Ontario kind of talks funny

and like Newfoundland and yeah, it depends where you are. Canada's got a whole bunch of different vibes depending on where you are. Very versatile. Very cold. Yeah. Yeah, that's a thing. But I don't know.

Vancouver is not that bad at all. Vancouver, like, barely ever gets snow. But the rest of Canada, we get a lot of snow. Oh, yeah. Vancouver is totally fine weather-wise. People complain about it a lot because we get a lot of rain. Like, that's basically our winter is just mostly rain. But I don't know.

Those people either just really, really, really hate rain and would rather have snow or they're just very sheltered and haven't lived anywhere else in Canada. Because everywhere else in Canada has so much worse weather, in my opinion. moved away from the cold parts. Do Canadians do the same thing Brits do? It's just constantly talking about the weather, just nonstop. Every conversation starts with the weather. I guess.

I don't know. I think that sounds like kind of a universal thing. I don't know if it's like a just Britain-Canadian sort of thing. I think everybody, if you don't have shit to talk about, you just talk about the weather. Conversations start. I guess it's easy. That's what you talk about when you have nothing else to talk about. Yeah.

If you want to say hi, I guess. Guess what? It's rating. Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's a British experience. That guy, E.J., has this to say. What are some of the most intense and anxiety-inducing movies you have ever seen? Climax. Yeah, I was going to say, that's a pretty intense one. Run, Lola, Run?

Oh, yeah, yeah. That one got me going on. Running. Running around all of France. It's crazy. Irreversible, very anxiety. I guess for the way really likes getting that anxiety out. That's his thing, yeah.

Yeah, it's his thing. Safty Brothers movies. Good time, yeah. Safty brothers. Eraserhead. I think the anxiety building in that is quite effective. We mentioned annihilation and the ending of that movie freaks me out in such a visceral way. It makes me genuinely like fight or flight.

I don't know what it is about it. But it's just so freaky to me. I love it for that. That's a good one. Even the bear scene before that, that was sick too. Quilcat saves the kids. That's a quintessential one. Very anxiety-inducing.

Fury Road, Mad Max. That one got me going a little bit. Yeah, very exciting. I re-watched, it's not a film, but it might as well be. I re-watched season one of True Detective. And in the middle, there's an episode that was like on the edge of my seat. even though I'd seen it before, there's like this six-minute oneer,

which is like, oh, my God, this is so intense and impressive. Yeah, I really love that. I love that, too. That was a great scene. Alien.

Like, the last half of the movie when they're just running away, like going down hallways from the alien, that was sick. Like, the first, like, hour of that movie, quite anxiety-inducing, because it's so slow and there's that score.

And then it's like the claustrophobic element. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, creepy as well. Requiem for a dream. Oh, God, yeah. That's a bad one. It's a great one. It's hard.

It's hard. Especially if you've been through similar things before. I can imagine it must be really hard to watch. There's a few there. That is every movie that induces anxiety. Every one. That's ever been made. We have a question from a guy who is, he's asked this question so many times.

I'm just going to throw him a blame and give it to him. Mr. underscore McNinjured. Ranger Guy says this. You probably don't know this, but there is a new Batman movie in development that is supposed to come out in 2021. The movie is directed by Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson is playing Batman, featuring Jeffrey Wright, his Commissioner Gordon. But he just lists the entire cast. The movie is supposed to have a detective noir style like the old detective movies and Ridler will probably be the main villain. The small teaser, yada, yada, yada.

Personally, I'm very excited for the movie. Reeves is a great director and I loved his apes movies. the cast is also fantastic and I love the bat suit and the batmobile would you watch this movie if it came out I think it's gonna come out you don't have to worry about that yeah I'll see I'll watch it as far as the DC docket goes this is like one of the only projects that I'm even remotely interested in like yeah everyone loves joker but I like Batman like in the universe to be playing off the villains that's what I like about Batman and all that so seeing like a proper like detective one Because when was the last time we really got one?

Like, I guess it was the Dark Night Rises, and that's really not like a true detective kind of Batman interpretation. I would say Dark Nights more like detective-y. Yeah, that's the last time we got it. That's why I think this one's more going for. I hope so. It kind of looks neat. Like, I've seen some pictures of it.

It looks okay. But all that matters is if the story is good. I'll watch it, but Pattinson's the only aspect that makes me even remotely interested. I'm not a Matt Reeves fan at all. Find his movies very cookie cutter. Very cliched. I think the Apes movies are okay.

Yeah. They're not. What else did he do? Did he do Cloverfield? Is that him? Cloverfield and the American remake of Let the right one in. Let me in. Which was terrible.

Yeah, I didn't like that. Remember the shadow scene? Like Chloe Grace Moretz is attacking someone and there's like the CGI silhouette. It looks fucking awful. I don't know. I don't think I made it very far into that movie, honestly. I think I turned it off after like 10 minutes. Probably didn't even make it that.

Yeah. Yep. Not a big Matt Reeves fan. We'll see how it is. The Battoe's kind of goony-looking. I have no idea. I don't know. You don't know.

I like it. It was just some shots that were leaked. The bad suit looks kind of weird. Were the actual shots of the movie or just on set? Because they always look stupid on set. Yeah, it was just on set. It might have just been like a stunt double, though. So it's hard to know

I guess you won't really know until it comes out Yeah, we'll see what it really looks like in the movie Like yeah with all the grading and whatever That's what happened with the Justice League movie They like Zach Snyder filmed it one way And then they redid the whole movie and changed all the colors And then Batman looks silly and Superman looks silly Oh yeah

Because like he didn't design it to look like that Yeah this sucks these studios We'll see how they fuck this one up Yeah I guess I'll watch it That's all I think I'm like how are they gonna it up. How's the studio going to like rework the script or like, oh, this is too dark, let's do reshoots, Robert Pattinson grows out a mustache and they have the C.G. out or whatever

happens. It's always a disaster. Yeah, I didn't see that last one, the Harley Quinn movie. I didn't. It wasn't good. You don't have to. Pretty bad. It was terrible. Yeah. It feels like so bad they had to change the name or something because no one was going to see it didn't know what it was. It changed the name like five times. It's like Harley Quinn, birds of prey, that magnificent, no good, horrible, horrible very bad day.

It's awful. It's awful. That is a really bad name. It's so forgettable. It's humbly, it's getable. Ian McGregor is, what's his name, Black Mask? He was okay. How is he?

Yeah, he was okay. That's it. Right. I'll see it at some point, but I'm not going to rush out anytime soon. The issue with the movie, too, it was a Harley Quinn movie. but then it started to become about all these other characters and they were trying to do like a kind of ensemble kind of thing but it came across like Big Hero Six

where you just have like this one character you really want to focus on but they keep introducing all these other things because they want to make more movies and they want to sell toys and they want to market like songs and whatever it just becomes like distracting stupid oh no nobody saw it you made a solo movie based on the most annoying character from Suicide Squad and nobody saw it

I don't think the issue is her I think she's a fine character She's like one of the most recent She's probably the newest Like Batman character Or comic book character in general That like people really connect with Because she was invented in those

In the animated series right Apparently people don't connect with her enough Margot Robbie plays her well It's just There's nothing going on Yeah There's no story There's no heart

If her character is supposed to be irritating then she does a really good job. Well, yeah, she is awful. Yeah, she's supposed to be irritating. And they have to give her kind of a heart. Like, she's clearly nuts, but they have to make her somewhat normal so an audience can relate with her,

even if it makes no sense. I'm a good bad guy. That's what's lame about these, like, constant, like, villain movies they keep making. So the whole reason they're fun is because they're just, like, mustache-twirling villains, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, well. But Venom feels really bad for Tom Hardy, because he's a loser. So he helps him save the world. Hey, Venom's great. Don't talk shit about Venom. Oh yeah, did you hear the title for the Venom sequel?

Yeah, yeah. Let there be carnage or some shit? Oh my God. I'm so excited. I can't wait for it to come out. I hope Tom Holland's in it too. I hope Eminem reprises his role. Yeah.

This credits goes. Carnage! Into the carnage! Into the carnage! Please, guys. Let there be another. Eminem song. I really hope so. God, that movie's a meme now. Fathom? Dude, Fettom's hilarious. That's when I found out that, apparently, like, there's just loads of people really love it and think

it's awesome. Unironically? Yeah, yeah. It's not the worst thing. How can you possibly like the villain? The villain's so bad. Riz Ahmed, is that the... Yeah, evil Elon Musk, yeah. Oh, man. I don't even remember him. He was pretty bad in it, yeah. I won't, I won't defend him. but I like Reson. Who was good in Venom, though, honestly? Oh, Venom was good. Really? Yeah.

On my planet, I'm a loser. I'm an insult where I come from, so I guess I'll help you save the world or some shit. Yeah. When you put it like that, it's pretty funny. You didn't like the 10-minute fight at the end. It's all dark. We just can't tell what's going on. It's just a bunch of goo, like, splighting on the lens.

But I saw, like, I think on Twitter that they actually filmed Tom Hardy and Riz Ahmed fighting on a green screen and then they did CG over top of it. So like the moves were real. It's just the animators made it incomprehensible to see what was going on. But did you see the moves they were doing? It was like they were directed to just like flop over each other. But Riz Ahmed's like he's smiling and shit because it's so ridiculous looking. That's probably why they covered it all up.

Yeah, yeah. All right, you want to do one last question? Yeah, let's end on this one then from Matt Make Moved. movies who says, what are some of your guys all-time favorite film characters? Alex, please try to mention characters other than the ones from the Big Lobowski. I thought he was going to say Madagascar. Yeah, I was assuming that also. Yeah, I feel like, how often have I brought up characters from the Big Lobosky?

Is it that often? I don't know. You mentioned the dude before, but... All-time favorite characters? Uh... The bride from Kill Bill? Lover. Mostly because I love the movie.

I guess, but... I don't know if this is cheating, but I'd say Peter Parker from like the old Spider-Man movies. Oh, like the Ramie ones. Interesting. Yeah. All right. As a kid, I really loved those movies, and I really liked that character.

I identified with him a lot. But again, it's a comic book character. It's not like an original movie character, so it's kind of cheating. Kaden from Synecdaq to Key, New York, obviously. Really great character. Also, Jim Carrey's character and eternal sunshine of the spotless mind.

It's a really great character. Joaquin Phoenix from her, I really liked. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'd say Don Corleone from Godfather, which we talked about. But he's in the movie, so he's not even in the movie a lot, and he has a huge impact. You remember him.

And he's a good character. Scar from the Lion King. I like Samwise Gamji. He's the real hero of Lover the Rings to me. Sam. Sam. Oh, King of Comedy and Taxi Driver. I like Travis Bickle and Rupert Pupkin.

I really love movies that basically serve as like a character study, particularly with characters that are not even necessarily supposed to be likable, because I have more to think about, and they seem a bit more complex. And I like when a director or writer or both is able to communicate that, type of person that, you know, hopefully in real life that they're not, you know, they're able to get into the mind of someone who might be like a complete sociopath or something like that. And you can see like these little, sometimes ticks or you can see these justifications for their actions even though other people might not do the same thing. So like there's a movie

called Simon Killer by Antonio Campos that I really liked. And the main character is just a complete fucking asshole. But I, I love how it's shown. I love how it's presented. And it's, it's, it's a really intelligent movie as a character study, even though nobody's seen it.

And it's like, kind of divisive even. It doesn't even seem like everybody who's seen it even likes it. But I found that to be a really great character study movie for sure. Yeah. So I like Travis Bickle too and all them, like the flawed characters, like you said,

Barry and Punch Drunk Love, Like he's one. Oh, yeah. I found him very likable. 100%. Because he was like, you know, he's kind of, he does unlikable things, but he's also mentally a little sick. Like, there's mentally something wrong with him.

Yeah. And there's a consistency in the character, too. It's like something that was actually created. That's something I really love. Not just like copy, paste lines that could be from any other character or, you know, have a character that doesn't exist consistently in the world or something like that. Mm-hmm. This is England has some really good characters in it.

Yeah. Especially with the expansion of the, like, shows that they added on. Especially like combo. He's like the most memorable character to me. Edward Norton from Fight Club, or and Brad Pitt, actually, both of them. I thought we're really good. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

A lot of Cohen Brothers characters are also really interesting and fleshed out. The main character from a serious man is one that I like. Lywin Davis Lewin Davis is that? Yeah Lewin Davis is a good Fargo as well as some awesome ones Yeah

There was a There's an Italian movie Called Reality From I think 2012 And I'm blanking on the director's name Right now And make sure you don't confuse it

With other movies Called reality Because there's a few of them But I found that one To be like a really great kind of character study in a sense where you get to kind of witness this person's slow unraveling and you can see all of their insecurities and like everything going on in their mind to a really interesting degree. That's that's one that I really love.

Matteo Garone, the guy that directed a movie called Dogman and Gamora. Reality is probably my favorite movie of his. Okay. Oh, have you guys ever seen the movie Border? It's about like these troll people? Yeah, yeah, I did. That was interesting. That sounds cool.

I thought they played the characters really well. That was like really convincing. Did you say troll people? Yeah, they take trolls. Yeah, don't say too much about it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting, weird movie. Very strange.

Is this a 2018 one? Yeah. It is very strange. Yeah. Okay. It's very bizarre. It looks interesting. A good watch.

All right. I guess that's that. Are there any like villains? Any villains you? Scar from the Lion King. Obviously. I like syndrome from the Incredibles. Hell yeah.

Dark Vader seems like an obvious one, but I mean, he's pretty iconic at this point. You can't like not include him. I still like that guy. Even though he's been made a mockery of. I still think Darth Vader's creepy looking Heath Ledger's Joker Obviously Yeah

That's really good I like the performance more than I like the character In that Oh yeah Yeah I mean the character is pretty ambiguous Yeah yeah But the performance is what really sounds

Lying about his backstories Over and over again It's cool Yeah Oh Daniel Plainview And there will be blood Oh

That's a great character That's a really That's a great character study movie Yeah That's a good one to include performance and character top notch. Paul Thomas Anderson's good with that. Oh, yeah.

All his movies. Even like a Phantom Thread, like that main... Oh, 100%. Dan DeLewis's character in that. Yeah, he's really thought well, thrown out. I mean... Yeah, I like when you can tell that a writer knows the character more than you could ever even see in the film.

It's like they know exactly what that character is. Yeah. Yeah. And he understands, like, psychological. too like Barry is probably like bipolar or depressed or something a little bit and so he like writes that into the story like that makes sense you don't just have like a random character doing like stupid shit because then it comes across silly like an Adam Sandler movie normally have you guys ever seen um night crawler Jake Jellan oh yeah yeah that's a good one

I love that character that's a really good character yeah that's what made the movie pretty much yeah absolutely the uh the main character in Anomalisa I think's really good. Hell yeah. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Charlie Kaufman does a great job with that. We already listed his other movies pretty much so. It's hard to get like the perfect character down.

It has to be a perfect synergy between like the writer doing something good and the actor really embracing it and being good. And the director, you know, focusing it. It's hard to get that perfect character. But it happens. It happens sometimes. I love the character of Neil Breen in all of Neil Breen's movies. the director

as a character his twin brother did you see he has like a five movie retrospective thing he's like behind the scenes yeah for like 150 bucks or some shit oh my god

yeah like it's a master class except I don't think he has anything that insightful it's about the character though just like all of his movies I'll be learning more about him that's what I want

yeah I guess that's important all right I think that about wraps things up. Yeah. Hell yeah. Awesome. All right. So I guess there's another movie recommendation since Ralph and I swapped last time.

Yeah, so it was your turn now. Yeah. Yeah. So it'll be my turn and then Alex's and then mine again. We'll have to remember that. So I wanted to do a trilogy because everybody's in quarantine looking for shit to watch. Okay. Might as well knock off some more several movie things on the on the podcast

And I'm going for Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings Hell yeah, nice neat wanted to talk about it for a while haven't seen it in a while There are two different versions of each film There's the theatrical and the extended edition I have never seen the extended edition But I own them and I'm thinking I might watch those but you are under no obligations to watch the extended admissions as well. Like, you can just stick with the theatrical if you want. They're the ones I always watch, so.

The theatrical? No, sorry, the extended ones. Oh, really? They're the ones I'm used to at this point. Okay, cool. Yeah, I like the whole, like, 12-hour experience. Okay. Yeah, I hear it's, like, more of the same,

and I like what it is, so I'd be interested in saying more. I'm so familiar with it at this point. I don't know what the differences are. Okay. So maybe I should watch theatrical. Oh, I don't know. You might be missing out. I might be.

I'll end up. Should we watch The Hobbit? That's too much. This is already going to be like 12 hours. So, yeah. I'm not gonna, we can, if you want to recommend the Hobbit trilogy another time, and you're free to fucking do that. Yeah, maybe another time.

All right. Awesome. Thank you for coming on, Elvis the Alien TV. Yeah, thank you, dude. Thanks for having me. Do you have anything to plug? What's your YouTube channel? If anybody wants to find you and stop.

find you and stuff like that. YouTube, Elvis Alien. I also have another channel, Alien Bacon, where we like, me and Bionic Pig, we look at random stuff. And, yeah, that's basically it. Okay, great. Yeah, if you don't want to be spoiled for Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings, watch it before the next episode. These episodes come out every two weeks, and you can listen to them early by going to sardonicast.com. Sign up for premium. $2 a month. You'll get these episodes as they're edited. Also, patreon.com slash sardonicast. Also, we got

merch. Link in the description. All right. Thank you so much for joining. That was a lot of fun. Thank you, Elvis. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. This was a pleasure. Thank you, Alex. Cheers, man. Thank you, Ralph.

Thank you, Alex Garland. Thank you, everybody. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye.