Sardonicast - Sardonicast #62: Neil Breen Retrospective, Beast

Episode Date: June 15, 2020

Three, two, one. Somebody once started a podcast called SardanaCast, and I think it's pretty cool. Hey, everybody, this is Sardonicast. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. This is a quick one. I'm Ralph from you're going to slow on a movie maker. And I'm Alex from I, and you really subverted us there. Yeah.

I was hoping for the full thing, but... I'm a real Ryan Johnson. Yeah, he Johnson does. Yeah, I often find... So there's like... There's still a few more that I haven't done, you know? There's different intros that I have lined up But some of them require a bit more

Preparation some of them are really easy And I can just like whatever fuck it And last night I completely forgot we were doing the podcast In the morning until right before I was going to bed and way too late So There was no chance Do you need like a cast of like people to help you? If you want to come up with more ideas

For the intros for this and help me with that I would not object. Because oftentimes I find like, oh yeah, I'm recording the podcast tomorrow. And then I have to just like scramble for something. I'm like, oh yeah, this is a thing that I have to do at points. Anyway, speaking of this podcast, last episode we had a filmmaker, director, and actor, Matt Johnson on the podcast. And we talked about F for Fake, the Orson Well's weird documentary. essay thing.

And it's very meta. And, you know, in the movie itself, there's some fakery. There's some trickery, right? And I realized it basically at the end of editing that episode, I realized how fucking awesome it would have been if we recorded that entire episode. And then at the end, I revealed that it wasn't actually Matt Johnson. and like fucked with you

and was like yes this is just somebody doing an impression like an impersonation fuck I should have done that I should have done that that that would have been so good

oh I know I mean the episode's already out but man yeah it's too late yeah missed opportunity it was just like fuck so we got some movie news there's going to be

a Scarface remake so another remake because The 80s remake is already a remake, but there's a new remake coming. Another one. Ralph, I hear your first impressions just based on the title alone. Who's directing it? The same director as Susperia remake, and call me by your name, Luca, Luca Guadagnino.

And apparently Cohen brothers are working on the script. So, with all of that information in mind... You just subverted it again, dude. Yeah. On paper, that sounds okay. Sure. But I've never seen the original Scarface. I've never bothered.

Is it one worth checking out and going back to? It's not sacred like Godfather is, like if they were remaking that. But, yeah, I don't know. I don't think they should remake it. Some people might disagree with you. I hear a lot of, when people say remake of Scarface, a lot of people are like, no, you can't. in my opinion it's it's less of an idea of like whether or not something should or could be remade but it's about who's doing it and what kind of goals they have so with suspiria from the same

director we saw that he wasn't trying to do the exact same thing again and just modernize it he was going for something completely different which is great if you want to do something completely different and it's good in its own way i don't see any issue with that especially if the one that people love is already a remake anyway. So, I don't know. My impressions, I'm not really opposed to it. Yeah, I think the director and the Cohen's being involved too is like a big. It is all about just who's involved and like what the origin of the creative idea was like,

was this a studio thing? Like they just, it's time to remake Scarface. Who are we going to get to do this type? Or was it the director actually chasing the project? I'm not really sure the origin there. but that does make a huge difference you know to like I'm curious who they're going to cast

Tony Montana especially if they're going to top Alpacino because that role is so iconic for him I don't know I don't think you could top that but that would be a big issue but we don't know what they're going for really yeah it could be

it could be like under the skin take or something like you could just be really weird A bit weirder. Something that's like completely subversive. It is disappointing to me when, like, why would you choose to put yourself in that situation, you know? If you've got like two choices and it's one, make a movie about something new.

Or, you know what, even remake something that people don't care about anymore? I feel like the Suspira one was quite good is because it's not as ubiquitous as Scarface. So it's got a cult following. It definitely is a cult following, but it's not, you can't, like, go up to anyone on the street and be like, what do you think of the original Susperia? It's very of its time. It's very 1970s.

It's like clearly a Gialo. Like you can't enjoy it as anything else. Scarface still holds up. Like it's still really good. You can just watch it as a great movie. It's not even that old. I don't even think they need to remake it at this point. Because it hasn't even been that long.

It's been longer than any of the Spider-Man reboots. so yeah that's true yeah or Batman all that it's like five years or a wide variety of things

especially considering foreign films being remade into American films total recall was that the 80s or was that the 90s one of them because the remake was not soon after yeah

yeah I don't remember the remake I've seen it I don't remember it I don't remember a single thing about it either I don't know maybe uh The 80s is like 40 years away. It's a bit of time. We don't know what their intentions are, but I do find it interesting that he's making it.

So hopefully it does a good job. I'm interested. Yeah, I'm interested. Yeah. I hope it's good. These reports, some of them are pretty speculative. Like they're saying that reports suggested that training day director had at one point been set to direct, and then after they left the project, a script by Cohen Brothers

was about to be filmed with Diego Luna in the lead role. I don't know who that is. So I don't know, like, Guadagnino just jumped in or how any of this is going, but I like the director a lot, even if not every single one of their movies clicked with me, but like there's at least three from this director that I really love, and they're all pretty much exclusively his most recent ones, so somebody who'll be checking out his films regardless. What do you think the chances are of it falling apart, perhaps? I don't know. It's not like a, it's not an impossibility.

You know, like the Wright tried to make a Marvel movie and that fell apart. These creatives, you know, working in these established universes, I guess it depends on the creative freedom. We just don't really know enough at this point. They don't have a lead to play Scarface yet. Diego Luna would not sell the movie. Like, I don't think he would top Al Pacino. That's the guy from Star Wars Rogue 1.

Oh, I still haven't seen that. Oh, right, okay. It's that guy. Whatever. That's the new Starface Sleep now. Not quite Al Pacino, but... No, not quite.

All right, yeah, I guess not much more to say about that, other than it's weird that it's happening. And I'll be... It's super weird. Cautiously optimistic. There was a new film that got released recently that I guess I'm the only one out of the three of us that saw it.

It's the five hour and 40 minute long Neil Breen retrospective documentary that he says is not a documentary, but it is, I guess. It's like a master class, right? He like sits down and tells you filmmaking knowledge. Yeah. He's learned. We learn from the master, basically. And it was, I mean, it's a must-it-it-it-it-sum-y-lawful.

C for any brain fan. Anyone who can tolerate who he is and what he does, which I love his films. The price tag kept me away from it. Right? How much is it? It's over $160.

Yeah. And then converted to Canadian, it's like 200 bucks. Yeah. And the USD. Yeah. What information is in it? What do you learn from this, this, this colossal Lord of the Rings length experience?

Well, he, um, we learn a lot about him in, in like a character sort of way. It's kind of like a weird, unintentional character study, like any one of his films, I guess. You could say that. I've, it's so bizarre because like, he constantly says, even within this documentary and within interviews he's given before, he constantly says, like, I'm not. revealing anything about what anything means ever and even in this documentary he says that and then at other points where he's like it kind of seeps through in unintentional ways so he'll be like he'll be talking about a scene or like a prop and he's like here's the character Dylan uh with the

book of life while he's inside the uh the black cube i'm like holy shit i didn't know it that's what was happening in the scene i thought he was in a garbage room or stuff And it's like, you learn about the movie accidentally. And he literally, he talks about the symbolism of the babyheads, like, pretty directly in the desert from I'm here now. I forget what he said, but I have a timestamp. I'll probably be making a quickie of this thing. So I'll include that clip. But I find it funny because he's like, he's constantly saying, I'll never talk about it.

And then he kind of does by accident in a way. The five-hour 40-minute runtime is not justified in the slightest. It is like, it's so funny, but also exhausting. Like, you have to be willing to suffer a bit for the experience. What's like the format? Like, is it showing behind-the-scenes stuff, or is he just, like, breaking it down scene by scene? It's him in his home.

There are two locations where he films himself basically talking to the camera. on his couch and one's in his editing bay and then occasionally if he forgets to say something he'll freeze frame and then voice over in post and it sounds very different and it's one of the lines that he freeze framed and talked over was him saying like it's very important to have movement in the shot and he goes on for like two minutes talking about movement while the frame is literally frozen it's beautiful. It's really funny. And so there's that, and that makes up like the bulk of him talking in his voiceover. But then he shows clip shows of his films for each section.

And so some of these sections would be like lighting, production value and budget, character images, writing. One of the sections was exclusively just romance, which I found pretty amusing. And for each of these sections, he'll talk about them on his couch or from his editing bay edited together. And then we get the clip show. And every time he does the clip show, over this five-hour, 40-minute long documentary, I guess, he just keeps repeating himself and he shows the exact same shots over and over again

to the point where it's like he's talking about set design or whatever. And then we get a big green screenshot And he's like Yeah, this is a set I designed for the newsroom And it's like, what are you talking about? Like, are you talking about the desk? Because that's the only thing that's real in this frame. And then he says like,

I'll talk more about this in the special effects category. So why is it here? Quite literally, like four different times For some of these shots Where he says pretty much the exact same thing. But yeah, we learn a bit about his lighting is what I probably learned the most about. He's got like this one,

I guess it's called a light diffuser that he like cut a slit in. And then once you see that it's there in this documentary and you start looking through the shots again, it's like, holy shit, he uses that all the time. There's this like slit of light in like every single one of his movies for like 20 shots. It's the same trek. Yeah.

He's a character and like it's just so it's so confusing but at the same time It's really wholesome because he shows clips from like some of his screenings. He's like this is when I went that in Paris there were 2,700 people at this screening and it just shows them all cheering and he's like talking about how How fulfilling of a feeling it is to have everybody like excited and enjoying his movie and he's like man I don't I don't read the real critics. I just, you know, if somebody goes on Twitter and says they love it, that's just the most important thing. It's like, damn. There was this, I guess, concern coming from people. I remember when we had Critical on, and Critical was talking about how he knew about Neil Brain, and he was kind of like somewhat, not super seriously, but somewhat upset. Like, oh, man, you shouldn't have shared him to the world. Watching stuff like this, where he's like, not only able to

get more of a budget and successfully sell his films because of this large audience. But also, he seems to love that other people love his movies. Who knows how aware he is of how ironically people are enjoying them? But still, I mean, I only see positives at this point. So, not upset about it. So how long do you think this project took him to make, by your estimation? I mean it wasn't six hour long project but no shit that out are you

yeah exactly like it's it's not like a meticulously made thing like if it if there was more thought and effort put into it it wouldn't be that long it would be trimmed down if he I'm not even sure that he's watched over it because if he like took this five hour 40 minute long thing and just like watched through it once in the editing room he would have cut out half the movie where he just repeat heated himself, like over that.

Yeah. You know? So I'm not sure he's spent a very long time making this at all. And what's really weird about it, like, it's supposed to be this masterclass. But the questions that you want to know the answers to the most, he doesn't really say. So in the production values category, he'll be like, yeah, it's really important to use this environment to add production value. but it doesn't really go into what that means in terms of like

what makes it appear higher production value because like to the average person watching it doesn't it looks like a kind of cheaply made movie like you can tell there's a bit of a budget there you can tell there's like a soul and passion there but he'll like be like yeah this is a shot where we

were at this location it's like well how did you find the location did you build these structures did you happen to you know like you have these questions. If you were genuinely interested in learning from Neil Breen about making movies, sadly, I don't think that you would get that much out of it. However, if you're interested in watching it for just, you know, the insanity that is him and what he produces and his character, then you'll get something out of it, but you have to be patient. It's a real Gene Dillman

type of joint. Well, what's that other six-hour movie? you keep referencing. Christ, what is it called? Satan Tango. Something. Or something. No, you always bring it up. What is it called?

It's got that weird poster. It's like six, seven hours long. Yeah, it's like a really underground art film. Six or seven hours long? Maybe even longer than that. And we've mentioned it frequently? Adam, you're the one that brought it up. Yeah, the cremaster cycle.

Oh, cremeister cycle. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah. Those, um, those are. several different movies ranging from like half an hour to like five hours or something

okay yeah those are torture so do you think there's room for some kind of like super cut of the six hours of brein that's kind of getting the best bits or what because like you're not really selling me on the six hour of experience I mean if you're if you're a breen fan

you should add it to your collection before he just randomly decides to stop selling it on his website. Man. Right. Yeah, like he talks about marketing too. Marketing and sales, like, I love you, Neil. You built your brand. People love you.

But you can't just remove two of your films from your website, not sell them anywhere else. From what I can tell, he doesn't sell any of them on digital. He doesn't have any kind of like Blu-ray thing going on. He manages his own distribution and that kind of limits him in a way He could be making so much more money if he was doing it properly and ironically enough two of the film the two films Double down and I am here now that he just refuses to sell anymore for no reason Those films are featured in this retrospective So you kind of getting like mixed signals

So it seems like yeah This shot blah blah blah blah blah if you're interested in this shot and some of the the things you can tell like, yeah, this really worked well. He's like proud of it in a way, or at least parts of it, the parts that he shows. But then it's like, okay, you're not selling them. People want to watch them. He's an artist, man. He just does what every once. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Even in the trailer for it, he was saying, like, you're going to learn about online distribution, Blu-ray distribution. But his movies aren't on Blu-ray. They all come in, like, jewel cases. There's no, like, they're not on Amazon. They're so hard to find, actually.

So he doesn't know much about that stuff It's a part of the experience To order a film from him And hope that it works properly And then it comes in like just a disc And like a little case Yeah this one was two discs Is it like written in marker on the front?

It's like a It's really basic print with just text He used to autograph them Back before I did my faithful findings review Those ones Those three I have her autographed He just did that maybe if you like asked him in the notes when you order like he would do that but you don't really learn a whole lot for five hours and 40 minutes and and I shit you not I'm not even kidding one of these clip shows with not even any voiceover literally just clips from his films I think in the character images section goes on for almost an hour not even kidding very least 45 minutes

I think it was about 55 minutes. But it's still watchable for me because it's just clips from his movies and I think they're amazing and hilarious. And it's also a weird kind of character study in of itself in terms of which clips he shows. Because some of them in this clip show are kind of like indistinguishable

from someone making like a funny moments clip show on YouTube. Right? But he puts them in this retrospective of things that he's like genuinely proud of. And that's good for him. And I wouldn't want it any other way because he will be unfazed and continue to make masterpieces. But man, it's just so bizarre. Did you watch it in one burst or are you just like multitasking?

I watched it in two days. Okay. I would have watched it all in one day, but it was late. It was like one in the morning at the end of disc one. And so I was like, nah. Maybe I'll save this for tomorrow So yeah Worth watching

Much of it feels like Like an old relative Showing like vacation photos Yeah That's a good way That summarizes it pretty well Yeah Your uncle

Yeah exactly You're a strange uncle You just filmed some in his house And like around Around town there's parts of the movie when like he's doing the voiceover and it seems like he's trying to trick people to make it seem as though things are happening that aren't like he says like that tiger is not CG it's not green screen and all I'm thinking is like that looks pretty fucking green screen to me

Neil it looks fake as shit I mean it's not CG clearly but it's you can't say it It's not green screen, Neil. You can't say that you put a tiger on a cliff and just had it lie there while you were, like, right underneath it. You can't say you did that. It doesn't look convincing. It really doesn't. Do you think he knows he's fibbing or he's just... I don't...

Maybe he has a different definition of green screen. He's like being vague in his phrasing. So he could be like, oh, well, I wasn't lying. It is a real lion or tiger. It's a real tiger. It's just composited in there. Yeah. That's the fake part

Yeah Yeah I'd I'd recommend it For the Neil Breen fan That was convincing Yeah I'm not convinced I can't for that price Yeah

It's too much money Yeah if it was a lower price Like I would rather just buy all of his films Yeah And guaranteed This retrospective had significantly the least budget out of anything he's ever made because he's just showing clips from his old movies and talking in front of a camera

and that's it that's literally it and yet there's 150 I mean 200 in Canadian even dollar price point and yeah it's sure it's five hours but it's like he's trying to combine the value of all of his previous films even though he's not really like you don't get the full experience of all the previous films yeah but from how it sounds it's like six hours long because he wants it to be long, not because he needs to be. Like, everything he said is just like, it could be said in an hour. It really could. Which is great.

He repeats himself so much to the point where it's just comical. And you can literally like interrupt him before he finishes his sentence because you know what he's going to say because he said it already. It's like literally exact same shot, but different voiceover. So he's said the same thing twice. It's like he had a, a pre-remer. made clip show slash slideshow of different footage and photos and he just like dumped them all together and did a single take talking over them and just like didn't bother to cut any of it out

several times throughout the movie for like each section that he goes into basically damn it was pretty cool uh i think there's a new story about amc that they're going to go bankrupt yeah oh yeah shit yeah Yeah, that was coming. There's that. I don't know too much about that, but yeah, that was coming. And it's worrying. They have enough money for, like, the rest of the year.

I heard that they were on the verge of bankruptcy before COVID. I mean, this probably didn't help. But, yeah, I don't know. So what is AMC for those outside of, like, America? They are a theater chain in America. In the U.S. specifically. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think any of the other than are in Canada.

The quality of the theaters is mixed, but they have nice theaters, some of them. Okay. Yeah. And the channel as well? I'm assuming they're owned by the same parent company, the TV channel, right? Are they? Are they completely different? I think they just have the same name.

Really? I'm not too sure. It's like AMC theaters and then AMC. You'd think that they'd have some sort of relation, right? Right. Should we look this up? I don't know. Is it relevant?

I mean, sure. I don't know what you'd look up. Okay. Is AMC theaters the same company as TV? Two completely different corporations despite their identical acronym. Okay. Yeah.

American Movie Classics is the cable television channel. And then American multi-cinema. Yeah, there you go. Really? Really? Wow. Okay. That's bizarre.

That's bizarre. Two billion bucks, apparently, they've estimated to have lost in this first quarter. Two billion. Yikes. Yeah. That's a lot of money. I feel like some gigantic corporations just don't know how to manage their money properly, and they're always like either spending too much into their businesses or spending too much into their CEO pay that like every year they're just like barely making it by.

They're like, sorry, we can't raise the minimum wage. Sorry And then, you know, rainy day comes, disaster hits And suddenly all these gigantic corporations Are either like belly up or they need a bailout And it's like, well, what the fuck? You're supposed to be making the big bucks Apparently a lot of them just don't plan for this kind of thing

They don't have any money set aside for any reason To help their company stay in float Yeah, it has to be more, more and more and when you have something that makes it so you can't be making more for a little bit, it kind of throws a wrench in the works. They're technically legally bound to increase profits for their shareholders. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oopsie.

What does this actually mean, though? Like, surely they're going to need places to show movies, you know? Like, was Disney going to put their movies if they don't have AMC theaters to? Disney Plus. Well, Disney could open their own theater chain and have their own movies on. Which does worry me. But that is like, I think that's like worst case scenario. That's almost Orwellian right there.

God. Yeah, because that may control what's in cinema. Yeah, they could easily just buy out AMC, couldn't they? Yeah, I was thinking, oh, that's exactly what I was about to say. What if they just bought it? Hmm. They're into a platform. There are other theater chains.

There's Regal Cinema, which is like Tom Cruise is like the head of that. Right, no idea. I don't know, bow tie. You know, there's like little ones throughout states. But AMC was a huge one. It's the biggest one in America. Yeah. A shit ton of AMC theaters.

So that could be it. A big studio can buy it. Yeah, my main concern is always going to be with film festivals because they rent these things out, like just for a specific point in the year. They don't use them all year round. And as we mentioned in the previous episode, like at Toronto Film Festival, like one of the biggest theaters that they had for the festival is just like turned into condos now, which is just so depressing

there's like no good reason for it like they didn't go out of business like they were doing fine but I guess the property was just worth so much in that area yeah yeah I feel like in 10 years time

we're gonna look back and be like whoa things have changed quite a lot since uh yeah crono all this like the movie theater will be the new rotary phone all the new generations

you'll be like this is what this was or like a blockbuster Yeah, you'll get a notification on your phone, like the new Marvel movies are, the new Avengers movie, Netflix on your phone or whatever, Disney Plus and just watch it on your phone. Maybe it'll just like, you can upload it to the chip in your arm that Bill Gates puts in. And then it'll just like control your brain. You'll feel what the movie was like, but it'll be like an instant upload, so you won't actually have to watch it. And it'll be really time efficient.

I'll just go like, beep, six out of ten. Oh, they could upload like the emotions. Yeah. upload the nostalgia. It's like a hit. They like every, periodically, they just dose you

with a bit nostalgia. Oh, my God. Anything could happen. It's super interesting, at the very least, like, I can't wait to see the other side of all this.

It's just what's going to happen to this industry. Everything's just fucking falling apart. Adam said the theaters could get nicer now because it's a little more competitive. I think they should. And the thing with AMC is the theaters weren't too good quality.

Yeah. Yeah. They were a chain. Like the standard. Yeah. The standards kind of went down because there were so many. There's a shit time. So now it would be nice to have like, yeah, just less theaters, but they're nicer.

Because it's somewhere you actually go for fun. You don't want to have a bad time when you go. And I've had bad experiences there before because it's too crowded or, you know, fucking things are sold out. The floor's sticky, yeah. Yeah. And if it's like a chain like that, no one gives a shit. Yeah, really. If every theater tried to adopt their business model more closely to Alamo draft house, I would not complain.

Because they try to do that with a chain in Canada called Cineplex. They have the VIP theaters. Basically, you pay a little extra, you get nicer seats, you get dining, you know, service. Their food's shit. But you can order drinks. And even though their pre-made drinks are like sugary garbage, if you know what you want, and you see the bottles behind the counter, you're like, can you make this? They have real bartenders.

So that's a nice experience. Less people in the theater too. still nothing close to what Alamo draft test is doing. Like, that's probably the best theater experience, in my opinion. People want to go there. Yeah, exactly. After this coronavirus thing, people are going to go back there. They're not afraid.

Yeah. Maybe the food thing now, that might be, people might be worried about that. They might not want food, but... Maybe. Just because in that environment, you're so close to other people. I guess so. Yeah. Like, putting your fingers all over everything. Yeah, fucking eating like a chicken wing, like, thanks to someone you don't know.

I'd be like, I don't want to live. Yeah, exactly. Like, if they space out the seating in the same way, like, restaurants are reopening in many different places and in Canada, too, where they basically just have, like, empty seats between each seat or empty tables between each table. Who knows exactly how effective that is, but it seems to be more effective than nothing to mitigate things to some degree. You could probably do a theater in the same way. I just don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, It's going to be released this year. You know?

I thought No one was like insisting it was going to come out. They say that it needs to be, a certain amount of theaters need to be showing it for it to be justified. And I don't know if that's going to be the case or how theaters are going to operate. And if every theater showing it is at like half capacity also or less even, like will they justify doing it? I don't know. apparently drive-in movies are making a comeback too

unfortunately there's not that many here there's like there was one that I was looking at and I was like oh maybe I could go there and then I looked at what movies they were playing I'm like oh shit this just stuff I could get digitally right now because nothing's in theaters you know it wouldn't be a bad idea to do a drive-in it seems like the safest option at the moment

yeah true I didn't even thought about that because they just they seem so rare now Yeah Yeah unfortunately There's not a lot of them Depending on where you are You could probably find a drive in I would like to see Tenet

But I don't think it's happening Yeah so would I bet Yeah when's it supposed to be coming out Like middle of July or something In the UK at least Yeah Yeah I don't know man I don't know about that

And surely even if they do If they just forced it out there And it didn't perform Like surely that would just Screw everyone over Yeah It's bad because it's a lot of money too, that film. Exactly.

It's a big risk. It was an expensive-ass movie to make, yeah. I don't know. They could probably monetize it in some way. Yeah, but that really devalues the movie a lot. Like, once it comes out, that first weekend is when you make most of the money. Just release it on digital. Do it.

The values it so much. I know. They can't do that. And they're not going to do that, especially Christopher Nolan. You know, he's the big hardcore cinema guy. You got to see it in a sense. cinema you got to see it on film they're not going to allow

fucking just dumping it on the O T. I know but I feel like it could be record breaking if it did because it would be the biggest news story that's not enough to even make its money back though. Really? Like that trolls too it made $200 million dollars that's not even the budget of this movie. I know

but if they charge like 30 bucks per rental or something and you'd have to imagine that more people would probably get it compared to trolls too, I think. Maybe.

More people would get it, but I don't know if they'd be paying for it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Because, like, families were watching that. There's just, if you're charging someone $20 each person to go into the theater, plus popcorn and all that, you're going to make so much more money than just on VOD. Yeah. This trolls movie, I think, is a special case because everyone was home.

Yeah. And also $20, yeah. And if you're, if you're a mom, you don't have time to learn how to torrent something. I just think it has to be released in a theater. Even if it's later, it has to be released in a theater. Yeah, no, I think it's more likely it'll be delayed than just put out on VOD. It's just a wrong project for it. Trolls is like fine because I don't think of the shit about trolls.

Yeah, well, sorry. Family film, yeah, it's animated. Okay, it's not like some passion projects. It's not an autort's like, you have vision. Yeah, yeah. Like this is. The, uh, the Sah Spiral Twitter account, Somebody was tweeting at them being like,

hey, can you just please release it on digital? They're like, you have to see this in the theaters. Trust us. Saw spiral. Okay. In 3D. It's not 3D. Probably will be.

No. I mean, they didn't film it in 3D, so I hope not. But, yeah, there's some that feel like relatively unjustified. Fuck, man. And they, like, they accidentally released the new Eric Andre movie on Amazon. Accidentally. For, like, a short amount of time. And then I reviewed it.

And then I realized that they, like, took it down from Amazon and no one could watch it. And then Netflix bought it. And we don't know when that's coming out. But fuck. I feel bad for Eric Andre, because that movie could have been a hit. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Bad trip. I always wonder how that happens when, like, entire movie is just, like, leak.

But I remember, like, I think it was on, like, the Sony YouTube channel. they like uploaded an entire movie early or something by complete accident when it was supposed to be a trailer i could imagine how they could every now and again it happens i remember that happened it might not have been sony but that definitely happened because because these uh companies have um entire libraries of their films uploaded to youtube so that they can be purchased through youtube's movie thing and also so that they can be added to the content id library to take down and and monetize other movies. So it's in a library somewhere on these film studios accounts. So it's not, it's not like out of the question that some random content manager who's paid not as much

as they should be. It just accidentally, you know, accidentally publishes the wrong thing. As for Eric Andre and Bad Trip, I have no idea why Amazon accidentally released the movie for a day. Like on Amazon Prime it came out? Yeah. It was really weird So like you upload the file And then yeah You got to publish it

So they might have just published it by accident It might have been a thing where like See I have no idea still Because part of me is thinking like Oh yeah so the coronavirus Delayed the movie And then it was supposed to come out on digital after And that was the date

And they just didn't change it But it was so close to The date of the movie It was like within a month So why would that be the case You would think it would still be in theaters Before Yeah

Yeah, I watched it like last month It was really funny though I really liked it I didn't even know it was out Exactly I have to watch some in it Yeah somebody like posted on my subreddit being like oh it's out now I'm like oh shit And then it wasn't after I watched it All right

I guess I guess it's time to talk about the Movie recommendation About the sexy beast Yeah spoilers by the way Take it away Well this was my pick this was my pick

sexy bees from the year 2000 from the director Jonathan Glazer Is that you say it? I don't know how it's supposed to be said It's a unique name for sure But people Probably most know him

On Sardonicas at least From us bringing up Under the Skin a fair amount Glazer You might also know him from His pretty famous music videos Is where he got his start I believe

Working with Blur radio head, some real bangers in there. It's really good music videos. Yeah, so it's his first picture. And I was super curious to see how it would compare to under the skin. Because I don't know if it could be any more different, to be honest, in terms of the tone, the presentation. Well, not the presentation necessarily, but the genre. It's more of a crime, drama, kind of thriller type thing about a...

a retired safe cracker who is brought into one last job by a particularly intense Ben Kingsley who plays the character of Don Logan who makes the movie, I think. And yeah, it might be a familiar story to some because apparently it was a huge inspiration on the story of GTA 5, which I could see actually with a lot of. comparisons, but the most interesting thing about it to me is this angle of it being kind of framed as a heist movie, but the heist isn't really that important at the end of the day. It's more about just this conflict of someone who's retired, kind of being forced into the fact just with these insane personalities just pushing on each other and clashing. Yeah, it's nice and brief to

it. It's great. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I really liked it. I don't know about you guys. I know Ralph did as well. I loved it. It's Jonathan Glazer. Yeah, I did really. I enjoyed it a lot more than I was expecting. This is a movie where I, as far back as I can remember in this ancient thing called a video store, I would go past the cover for this and be really reluctant to ever check it out just because of the title.

And I was like, well, what the fuck? Is this about a rapist? It's like, what is this movie? And I was just like not interested in checking it out. And then after, you know, under the skin, I was like, oh, Jonathan Glazer. I'd always been like somewhat interested in the back of my mind, even with birth, which I still haven't seen. Just looking at the cover for that, I'm like, oh, this looks like it could be like kind of interesting. And now I'm just like, holy shit, I'm actually, I could watch birth pretty soon at this point because that's the only one of his features that I haven't seen yet.

And I've really enjoyed the other two. I enjoyed this one a lot Maybe more Like just like under the skin It's not just a heist movie It's like it's just something totally Its own thing Ben Kingsley comes in

He hijacks the movie And then it becomes a totally different movie And then he goes away And it becomes a totally different movie And it's a really great heist movie It's a really great character study And yeah it's fucking That the soundtrack is great

Oh yeah I love the opening too The dream elements Yeah The dream elements were really interesting Frank the Bunny The opening is like really funny and goofy, which is like the rest of the movie doesn't... I guess there's like funnier, lighter parts, but the light opening was perfect.

And it's set like the guy's life up and how like... He's just like a bum sun tanning all day and he's fat. And he's like, he has like a great life. You can tell he wants to do nothing else but that. You can tell he's checked out. He's fucking done. And then, you know, this guy comes in and fucks up his life. It's definitely a dark comedy.

Yeah, 100%. There's so much humor in there. So much great Cockney, kind of British humor, especially with just the use of language. Like, there's that point where Ben Kingsley, he tries to say insinuate or innuendo. Oh, yeah. And combines the two words and says insinuendos. He's like, he's, I mean this in the best way possible. He's like a man child.

He's like this really terrifying, stunted psycho. You see flashes of like this kind of destructive behavior that you might recognize in real life just amplified to this crazy degree, which supposedly was driven by this head cannon that Ben Kingsley had where he made up this backstory where the character may have been sexually assaulted or something when he was younger, which is where he kind of drove the character. And you can kind of see that in a lot of scenes, like especially that really fucked up moment where he's in the plane and he's. just lights up that cigarette and then gets kicked out. And he knows he can get away with it because he just whips out this script when he's in the, uh, when he's being interviewed and manages to get out of it. And there's a lot of like really clever stuff like that. A lot of like implied history between a lot of these characters, which is really effective.

Even to the point where I think they're, they're making a TV show like a prequel to this. Oh, really? Coming years. I saw, yeah. Unfortunately, uh, I don't think glazed. is involved but the point is a rife enough kind of universe and

setting to to warrant that kind of you know intrigue yeah yeah you can you can really tell just how insecure this character is just like one of the most immature insane crazy people where he's

literally throwing tantrums and like headbutting the air in front of the main character won't accept no for an answer and it's like I really didn't expect that sequence to go on that long in terms of like, you know, they set it up as this like, okay, retired criminal, all the sudden this guy comes back up and he's like, you got to do this one last job for me. And the main character is like, but I can't, I can't offend him, you know,

and obviously the guy's got connections. Like he might not want to put his life at risk. He's being put in this incredibly awkward and shitty situation. and everything that I've ever watched in every other movie that had this kind of premise and set up basically it would wind up going like okay well he's going to take the job and then conflict is going to happen and you know the audience and the character are going to be thinking man he shouldn't have taken that job whereas this film it's the exact opposite it's literally like well if you just took the job then nothing would have went wrong

really it would have been fine it was the fact that you protested against it that actually caused the conflict in the film which is an interesting subversion yeah yeah the tagline of yes or yes is quite funny just being a guy he's got no choice in the matter and it ultimately leads to what doesn't even lead to his demise it leads to Ben Kingsley's demise but yeah well his demise too because once he's gone from the film he's just replaced with another villain played by the guy from John Wick. And that guy is like, it's like the grim reaper almost super intimidated.

Yeah, he was even more terrifying in a way. And it's like this, it's almost like he'll never escape it, you know? And that's kind of what the bunny is in his dreams. Like it's this constant weight on his life. Like this thing he's done, it'll never go away. And that's, I think that that's more of like the core of what the movie means. And I think anyone can relate to that, which is why it's a good story. What do we think of the guy, the other villain?

I mean, yeah, he served his purpose for sure. It was a... Teddy Bass. Yeah, more subtly intimidating, less comical for sure. Yeah. Yeah, no, it was a nice contrast to Don Logan, who is so unpredictable. He's just an asshole. Abnoxious.

Yeah, he's like a more kind of typical, like, boss type of figure that you just don't mess with. It's so quotable. I mean, you've already said that Ben Kingsley steals the show. Like, I think pretty much anybody watching this movie, it's like that's the best part. The rest of the movie is still great, too. But Ben Kingsley really makes the movie. And I've got a couple lines written down. I'm just going to have to turn this opportunity down.

No, you're just going to have to turn this opportunity, yes. It's so funny. It's a great line. It's so funny. And when he reacts to like, when, D.D. comes back with that snarky comment. She's like, what? We're surprised that you were 17.

And he just gives that glare. Just that like, this isn't funny. Just stares at her. Oh, it's so funny. I love it so much. But it's also intimidating. Like, it gets to a point where he's just, like, really mean. And, like, you want him to shut off.

You can see why they killed him. Uh-huh. Like, he couldn't make it to the movie even because he's so fucking obnoxious. Yeah. Like, he has to die halfway through. when he was pissing on their carpet like you didn't even need to do that at all yeah he's the fucking jerk off that's probably like the worst

that's one of the moments that sticks in my mind as like one of the worst things he did I'm just pissing on their carpet yeah he's not necessary he really is a child and you have to wonder like how he got into the situation that he is maybe just because

maybe just because he does kind of uh he's kind of perfect person for it to be honest yeah he's intimidating and he's persistent so pretty sociopathic and he can just manipulate anyone through fear. No, no, no! Yes!

I like the other two friend characters too. It's like this other couple that they know. The way they introduced Don Logan was so interesting. It wasn't like some conventional, like he calls the main character. He calls this woman that he knows and like we find out through her and her husband, like the whole plot and that Don Logan's coming. That was like a great scene that that dinner scene. And then, like, the husband character was, like, very friendly and, like, funny almost.

And it was perfect, like, him contrasted with Don Logan, who was just a fucking jerk off. Yeah. And he was kind of cowardly, too. Yeah, kind of cowardly. Yeah. Like, in a scene where he's getting destroyed with the gun at the end. He's kind of cowering in the background. But then he's the one who takes, like, the final blow, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you guys watch this with subtitles or no? A second time I really wanted to But on the version I had there was no option So that was pretty disappointing There were subtitles on iTunes But what I found very hilarious was that One of the subtitles at one point

Literally just said indistinguishable From in the middle of a sentence From one of the characters Yeah Yeah when his friend shows up near the beginning of the movie His friend is introduced And he's talking about like the boulder Enlisting all these colors like

aquamarine and stuff and then he says the line check it out you can have a look at the indistinguishable and that was just on the iTunes subtitles which I mean it only happened once but I just found that kind of amusing yeah some very thick accents in the movie if you're not used to cockney I can understand the confusion that's why I put the subtitles on yeah subtitles help especially the thing with the bolder accent was great oh yeah and I love the way it was shot too the body in there. Yeah, you don't see it coming at all, like that ending. The way the whole film was told, like, the editing was great. The way they, like, play with time once Ben Kingsley's character

leaves the movie, you don't quite know what happened to him, and it's slowly revealed as the heist is going on. Like, there's so much brilliant stuff going on. And you can't quite keep up with the movie, which is why it's so, like, unpredictable, I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really good pace. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and really good tension building. Uh-huh. Despite how long the sequence is where it's literally just him arguing about whether or not he's going to do the job, it is really well-paced. I mean, that's like the most entertaining part of the movie, even though it's like kind of the most stagnant in terms of like the plot driving forward. I was legitimately thinking like, man, what if the rest of the movie is just him arguing with Ben Kingsley?

It goes off for so long. And you're hoping for it too, because it's so entertaining. Yeah, it's really funny. It has that dark six sets of humor to it. Yeah. You really enjoy it. I love how it's just like any other movie, even if he wound up eventually doing the job or not doing it, any other movie, that would be a conversation over one setting. It would be over like one dinner table thing, maybe brought back up later.

But as this movie is going, it's like, holy shit, it's nighttime. And then he goes on a plane and he comes back and it's still going. He's like, it's still arguing. It's over such a long period of time for this character But I mean it works out really well because it just it completely justifies How abusive he is and why they needed to like kill him Literally Just like holy shit like he was never gonna be so badly

Yeah He literally would not take no for an answer So it's like well what what do you want? Like why even ask the question It's crazy lots of fun Do you think of the meaning of the bolder then. I didn't really think too hard about it, but I don't know, from first impression, you could probably interpret it as, you know, just this unstoppable force.

Yeah, showing up into his life and really rustling things up and fucking with him. And it lands on like the heart. It also lands like right in the middle of the hearts, yeah. It's just served a good purpose in the plot, so I don't even think about it like that. The only reason it was so, it was standing out in my mind so much was because for the first, I don't know, 15 minutes of the movie. I kept noticing these, um, they must have been references to the Big Lobosky, but they must have been. The, the, like, perspective shot of the, uh, bowled at rolling, exactly like the ball in the Big Lobosky. There was the same music even from the Big Lobosky. And there was one other thing to the, the kind of like floating scene, the dream sequence,

which I thought was interesting actually, because a lot of the time when a dream sequence is established, it's kind of kept a secret until the inevitable, like, wake up in bed, shocked type thing, but they actually went out their way to show that he was dreaming, which I thought was an interesting take on a dream sequence. The Big Lebowski was two years before this movie was released. So who knows? Yeah, and my other reasoning for why I think it might be directly inspired is because of that blur music video that he did where he's like shamelessly just using imagery from Clockwork Orange.

So he clearly knows what he likes. And it's definitely a good way. If it is your first feature, like if you see something done a certain way like that perspective shot, of the bowling ball rolling, why would you not want to try to apply that to your own story? I think it works really well. It doesn't bother me or anything.

I think it's actually really good and really the visual side of it, I thought was really interesting, actually. Like, there's that really interesting shot where Ben Kingsley's just going in on the main character. but he's blocked by the right side of the screen. I couldn't tell what it was if it was like a pillar or like a wall, but the way it was blocked where he kept kind of leaving the frame and popping back in was just such an interesting and fresh way to display

like a conflict like that. And then he like smashes into the kitchen cabinet and stuff. It's all very kind of natural. There were quite a few concepts filming-wise that I really enjoyed in this movie. There was that kind of, I guess, non-literal sequence with him and his wife, and they were like floating and their hair was all wavy and stuff. And you could tell that they just filmed that underwater. And I think conceptually, that's a really cool way to achieve that effect, even though you can tell that that's how it was done.

But at the same time, so much of this movie is also underwater anyway. So even if you can tell that that part of the movie is underwater, you can also kind of be like, okay, well, maybe it doesn't really matter if you can tell that that's what they did because it kind of plays into the rest of the movie in ways. Yeah. I also really loved conceptually the idea of like this underwater heist at the same time where it like fills in the room and, you know, it was a really good opportunity for the sound design and the presentation.

and I think that that sequence worked really, really well too. That's pretty crazy. You can tell he has ideas. You can tell he was thinking, like, yeah, I would love to do like an underwater heist sort of thing. And then just worked out. And it avoids being gimmicky, despite all these tropey settings like these hoist movies or these, you know, exaggerated gangstery kind of characters, it does avoid that kind of pitfall, which is really interesting.

Why do you think the movie was called Sexy Beast? I was going to ask that I think it's just because it sounds like something a Cockney would say and the main character references a few times that I guess that his looks and yeah I feel like it kept people away from the movie like Adam

it really I feel like it did yeah because it seems like it's going to be one of these movies where like sex is a big part of the movie when in reality it was just like one flashback they talked about a cocaine orgy that they didn't even show and that's about it Like, there wasn't really, the movie doesn't really have anything to do with sex, but it's a part of the title and it's just, I don't know. That's what I get thinking too, because the elements of sex that are in there, like I'd say the major one is the relationship between Ben Kingsley and also D.D. Dove, I think her character was called.

Yeah. Yeah, that was the main element and there's no, yeah, they never show it. It's all just communicated through dialogue. And I was thinking, I think it was at some point in a previous episode, we mentioned, like, sex scenes and I really liked the approach to the way they handled that kind of thing. Because even in that orgy scene, it's not even really particularly explicit. It all feels like all of the filmmaking feels like it's in service of the story. For someone who comes from a kind of music video background, you could see where that could go wrong in theory.

And there was only like two shots where I was like, yeah, you definitely come from like a music kind of background here with the way you're showing some of this. But for the most part, like it's really. impressive. Yeah, like all the stuff with the dreams. So I felt that felt like music video. And the little Donny Darko guy. Yeah, Frank. Yeah. So Ralph, are you familiar at all with any of the music videos he's directed? No, I haven't seen his music videos. I was on IMDB before I watched the movie and it was pretty, it was pretty neat just like looking through his filmography and just being like, oh, hey, fuck, I've seen that and I really enjoyed it. You know,

Massive Attack, Live With Me, that was a good music video. Like, that's one that really stuck out to me. And it's like, holy shit. Same guy. What a great director, honestly. I had no idea. You need a comma police already. It's crazy, yeah.

Not that many features. Only three. So none of us have seen birth then, or what? I've seen birth. I think Ralph has. Yeah. Birth is really good. Okay.

Yeah, I'll definitely get that. I like this better upon. I've only seen this, like, recently, my first time. And then I saw it like the second time the weekend Like he recommended it Alex So it was perfect That is perfect yeah Yeah

But yeah it's awesome I guess he's quite a sporadic filmmaker then Yeah Yeah Sexy Beast year 2000 birth 2004 And then nothing for nearly a decade Until under skin And is what's he doing this isn't an A24

War movie or something like that Yeah No idea Something like that Which could be really interesting I think the Holocaust I think it's a Holocaust film Yeah

I think something about that. And there was a short, The Fall, which is great. I wanted to try and watch that, but I couldn't find it anywhere, so. In America, I think it's easily available, but, yeah. Yeah, that's the thing, like outside of America, you just can't find it. I first saw it on the BBC, like, they had a player. I watched it on there because he's like a UK director, yeah. Oh, maybe it is on there, then.

I have to find it on there, yeah. It might be different now. That was a year ago. Now I think A24, 824 put it out on like their site for the U.S. Anyway, so if you're in the U.S., watch it, it's cool. It's not even that long. It's creepy. Yeah, it's like seven minutes long, isn't it?

It's like any real short. Yeah. It's good to see something lighter from him like this. Even birth is like really depressing. Yeah. I've read the plot synopsis of that. It seems it seems like it could be a depressing movie. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, I love that his movies are so different, too. I mean, I haven't seen birth, but I'm assuming that it's probably not the same. Well, birth is just a drama. Yeah. There's no action. There's no sci-fi elements. It's just, you know, people.

Yeah. There's like an element of this movie. Oh, yeah. There's a part where a guy gets shot. It's the other villain played by the John Wick guy. And there's no blood on him at all, even though he shoots him, like, right in the head right in front of him. Like, no blood on him at all. Yeah.

That took me out of the movie a little, especially when there's, like, so much blood, like, on the wall and, like, on the cabinet that he shot him. Like, come on. Yeah, I didn't really notice that. Yeah. Nothing really jumped out to me that pulled me out of the movie, honestly. I was really engaged with this one, especially with how kind of brief it is. I think it's the perfect length. It's just a hour and a half.

It's just the perfect length. Yeah, I couldn't ask for more from this kind of concept. Like, I really like this idea of taking a familiar genre and finding a space. that is fresh and new, which is what he's done with both in a really clever way. Sexy beast and under the skin. Yeah, exactly.

It's both tropey kind of topics. Taking that like one plot point and just making it the opposite so he doesn't want to go. Yeah. Like that changed the whole movie. It made it so great. Yeah.

Do we want to give ratings? Are we running? Are you having anything else to say? I'll just say it when I'd give my rating. It's just a little fucking blurb. It's nothing. Okay. Well, like, I think the,

movie once Ben Kingsley's gone is not as good. I still think it's really good, but I would probably give it a nine out of ten, like if I had to give it a rating just for that. Just I think it's better when he's there than like the second half with the heist and everything. For sure. Yeah, I'm slightly lower just on my first watch with a four star, but it is, I absolutely adore movies like this, just like character. It's all about dialogue. It's all about the kind of subtlety and the originality of the idea. I actually can't wait to show this to a bunch of people who I think will really enjoy it. And I'm giving this one, eight out of ten.

And I loved how the main character was beat red for the entire movie. Yeah, and he apparently went to Spain two weeks before they started shooting. And all he did was just eat. And, yeah, he said it was like the best preparation for a role he's about to do. Yeah, that sounds awesome. You're not going to hang out in Spain and just eat and something. Holy shit. Yeah.

But it's great. I mean, everyone has a sun tan in the movie. It totally adds authenticity to them. The setting is great, too. It is a really good set. I actually thought it might wind up being like a bottle movie, just completely set in that one location. But, yeah, I'm glad it went the way it did. Yeah, you're right.

They shot a lot of the movie in that house, and it was always, like, visually interesting. and the world of it felt real. There was like the pool guy who would come in, like the kid they hired and served a point in the plot and they set up that gun with him. Like they went out like shooting, I don't know, rabbits or something. Hunting, yeah.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. It was fun. Yeah, I really liked it. He was hunting rabbits. And then that Frank the bunny showed up. Yeah. Hmm.

The Donnie Darko. Hmm. Well, yeah, that's what it was supposed to be. It was like a similar feel, too. It was like a desert field. Donnie Darko came out a year after this movie. Hmm. Suspicious.

That's interesting. Huh. Yeah. And we all know Richard Kelly. That's who directed it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He's a hack. Yeah. Yeah, like who makes better movies, him or Jonathan Glazer. All right, question time. Okay. answer some questions from the community. If you want to leave your own questions for us, head over to the Reddit where there's a suggestion

thread. We can ask whatever you like. Let's start with this one from Butter 467, who asks a relevant question. Considering what is going on in America with the protests and riots over the death of George Floyd, what are some movies you think

showcase racism in a very accurate way? You've talked about Spike Lee. Oh yeah, that's a good one. He makes a lot of good films about that. One of them I'm going to recommend, so I won't say. Okay. But what else? He's made Malcolm X.

Someone wrote that. They posted about that on the Reddit. Malcolm X is very good. Shirek. Yeah, he has a good library of films like that. There's also, like films recently, like Fruitvale Station. Blind spotting. They specifically deal with kind of like police brutality in that way.

Blind spotting a little bit, a little more so for Vail Station. But like both of those are great. Yeah, blind spotting was really good. I enjoyed that. Yeah. That was kind of like a... It felt a little underrated. Or at least like it didn't make as much money as it probably should have.

Uh-huh. That one came in a word. I really think it should have been watched by more eyes. And really funny too. Like that movie dealt with the themes. It's just a really good movie. It's like my favorite tone where you have like a kind of a comedic carefree tone. But then at a certain point it suddenly gets real.

I love that kind of thing in movies. Spike Lee's movies are like that too. Yeah. Not old boy. The director of old boy. Black Klansman, obviously. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Yeah, I mean, like, I've got answers, but they're, like, pretty, like, extreme cases at, like, 12 years of slave or, like, American History X. Get Out. Get Out is a good example. Because, like, I think. Because that's, it's, like, a contemporary setting, you know, and it's applied to, like, a fantastical kind of theme, but still. Yeah. Yeah. It works well.

with what this question's asking. It's like more underlying and not as overt, I guess. Yeah, yeah, like 12 years a slave or something. Yeah, which I love. Of course, yeah. It just seems like anybody's answer, you know? Yeah, well, people are making countless lists, and there are lots of good picks, actually.

There's a bunch of movies I've been meaning to get around to from this kind of topic. Like what's one that you haven't gotten around to yet That you're looking forward to What's it called? I'm not your Negro That's been on my watch list for a while Who made that?

Let me tell you Rail Peck I might have said it wrong but Is that the 2016 thing? Okay Yeah that's on my watch list I haven't seen that yet Okay

Yeah I have a bunch on my watch list They just never got around to Bill Street Talk That's one That's how Barry Jenkins made that That's good I like Barry. Okay.

We've got some pretty good answers there. The Corniest Lima has one for us, specifically directed at Adam, but I think we can all probably answer it. Adam, you've gone on record as saying, you think Rick and Morty is the best animated show on TV at the moment, but I don't think you've said anything about it after the first season. Are you still watching the show?

And if so, what do you think of it now? It hasn't, like, dropped off so dramatically in quality. that I think it's bad, but it is kind of just pulling the same thing over and over and over again to the point where it's not new and surprising anymore, and it's just really repetitive, and I'm not as interested in it. So, like, even though I really enjoyed season three, I only watched the first two episodes of season four, and, you know, I might watch them at some point, but I'm not, like, I'm not, like, rushing to see them. there's like other things I could be watching sort of thing.

So yeah, I'm, the fan base had nothing to do with it. It was not like, oh no, everybody else likes it. So now I can't sort of thing. It was just like the, yeah, the show wound up getting a little too repetitive. And once you're familiar with the whole schick of it, it's just like, oh, it's just more of this. And it's fine. It's just, you know, not. Yeah, I'm in the same boat.

I agree. I've only seen the first two episodes of season four. I'm finished it yet. Yeah, I find it entertaining, but you're right. Nobody really talks about it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. I just wish the show would decide if it wants to be like a kind of not creature of the week,

but, you know, like a silly new thing each week with this, with no link. Because there's like a vague overarching kind of narrative they attempt in certain seasons, which is like okay to me. but it just doesn't seem like it's building or really going anywhere and I just don't not sure what type of show it's trying to be at this point because I feel like it had a really strong identity at the beginning I really liked season two I think was where it peaked for me but yeah I feel like just any show going on for this long you've you've really got to have something to apart from like a gimmick like the meta gimmick yeah I'll get around

to it at some point but it's not like I don't know I think it's like the best show on TV at the moment. Yeah. Yeah, I think I said best animated. When I was, that was my Blu-ray collection in 2014 or something. Whatever that was. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I've gotten sick of it. I haven't seen any of season four. And unlike you, that fan base that has annoyed me. The whole Szechuan sauce thing was fucking stupid. McDonald's, whatever fuck that was. Oh, man. Such a waste. Guys getting up on like cashiers registered.

Where's my Sasuan sauce? I mean, he knew what he was doing. It's like, these guys are so obnoxious. Yeah. They're really fascinating about the way how quickly and how huge the fan base grew. Yeah, they just latched on to this stuff. And how that's affected overall appeal of it. It is, that is really interesting.

The merchandising was crazy on it. Oh, yeah. And yeah, everyone had shirts and hats and toys, whatever the fuck. Funko pop. of it. I'm glad that adult swim has a hit, you know? Yeah, it's great. Yeah, for sure.

I feel like that is like maybe limited the show, though, but maybe that's why it feels repetitive, like it's going through emotions. That's just, it's afraid to be something else. It just does more of the same, because it knows that's what people like. Yeah. Like, BoJack, I feel, evolves,

and it becomes something else. Like, as it goes on a narrative, though, too, like an actual... Yeah. The actual characters, too. I don't think I like Rick and Morty but I don't like the rest of the characters I don't think the rest of them

are that interesting like the rest of the family I like the dad I think he's really funny yeah okay the dad he's kind of absent I guess what's funny about it like he's so he's just so pathetic yeah like the third season he's in an apartment yeah yeah he's okay

so what would you guys say is your favorite current animated show right now. Christ. Yeah, the last one I probably watched was Bojack, which ended a few months ago. There's a... There's not one at the moment.

The Shivering Truth. There's new episodes coming out right now. It's from the creators of Xavier Renegate Angel. It's stop motion animated. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's much, much darker and much more disturbing, but still just, like, insane and fun. So, yeah.

Shivering. Truth. Check it out for sure. I don't watch any animated shows now because I'm not a kid. Hey. I liked Xavier Renicade Angel. I'm watching the wire now. The Shivering truth is not for children. Let me just throw that right out there.

When I was a teenager, I loved adult swim. I love to watch all that shit. Anime, come on. Yeah, I'm kidding. Of course animated stuff is great. Of course, that's great. Don't be one of those. I don't watch any of that now.

I liked Last Air Vender. I watched that again recently. Oh, yeah. I don't watch anything new. Mm-hmm. I don't like things. 13 reasons why came out, so I ain't got no time for anime.

Oh, fuck. I hear it's great. That shit. I saw one clip from the Reddit made me laugh really hard. Have you started watching it out? I'm using it as my reward for once I finish

some work I've got to do. I'll finish my work and then I'm going to reward myself with a nice marathon of 30 reasons why. I can't wait. I'll be doing some commentaries on them. We're going to space them out a bit. It's like you can't do them all in one sitting. Great commentary.

I'll watch one episode this week. Although it is a shorter season. It's only 10 episodes. What? Okay. Nice. It's hilarious to me. 13 reasons why has a 10 episode season.

for the first time in history I'm hyped that actually makes me a bit more optimistic about it because one of the biggest issues I had with season three was just so stretched out like dude like why does this need to be 13

episodes I felt that way since season two episode one to be honest yeah not a funny show I'm a little hyped for it it seems like some funny things happen this season. Yeah, shivering truth. Check it out. Anybody listening? It's awesome.

Check out anything that PFFR has made. Wonder Shosen, Xavier Renegate Angel, the heart she holler and the shivering truth. Those are there for some more accessible than others. Some might not connect with you as much as others. But I think every single one of them are hilarious and bizarre and unique in their own way. And I love them so much. I'll watch anything they make. Okay. Let's do this one then from, oh God, Matt R. 1X.168, who says, hello Ralphie the pizza maker, Alex the Lion, and Fairy Boy. What are some of your favorite lines from cinema? Give cool examples. Also, why in his childhood trauma video did Ralph have a Dark Night Rise poster, huh? What do you all have to say about that.

I have an Assassin's Creed Unity poster too. I forgot about the Unity poster. Those are my brothers. Those weren't mine. Oh, there you go. But yeah, what are your favorite lines? I've got one that can

start us off if you want. So it's from a movie I already mentioned earlier, Big Lebowski, of course. But the line is Walter says that he says about nihilists. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of national socialism dude at least it's an ethos

where he's basically saying at least the nazis cared about something when he's like mocking nihilists i think this is just such a funny line yeah i mean there's uh here's a shit ton of things i could pluck out of some of my favorite movies there's i guess the holy mountain one off the top of my head would just be you know there's there's so many of these but like one off the top of my head would be people do not wish to be loved for who they are, but who they appear to be. I like movies that have more, I guess, general commentary over humans and society and, you know, the way that people think and act and things that are like kind of timeless and ring true. Just like a criticism of society as a whole.

Those things connect with me. Mine are like stupid fucking quotes that I like usually from gangster movies because they're Italian Joe Pesci like a lot of his lines in Goodfellas

like the clown I mean What Am I a clown The Sopranos I quote a lot Polly has a line About life He says The Framus intersects

with the Ramistan Approximately at the Pada Nostra That's my favorite line What the What the Thank you Thanks to the Sopranos actually That quote from

Godfather 3 He's in my head quite a lot Just when I thought I got out they pulled me back in Yeah It's so good It's funny how they acted out of you They're always quoting Godfather There's like I don't know

There's some really quotable Comedy movies like Kung Pow and Black Dynamite are up there Like ha ha I threw that shit Before I walked in the room It's like so many good so many good lines from

from all those yeah it might be like an obvious answer but the tears in rain from blade runner I have a soft sport yeah an improvised line somewhat memeable

everything's mebable if you try hard enough yeah there's a lot of scenes in social network that I remember went in lines uh yeah not now but

that's the thing And if you put it on the spot, it's like, I know there's this really good bit in this movie, but I'm going to have to Google it. You know, it's just him like telling off people, like really long paragraphs of like dialogue. I don't want to sit them all. Pain turns to fear. Fear turns to anger. Star Wars has a comment. Oh, that's your choice.

It turns to suffering. I don't even know if I said the right line. Those are from the prequels. Yeah, the best movies. Yeah. Oh, actually, I do like the dark night rises, and I think Baines lines are pretty quotable. Oh, yeah. They're incredibly quotable.

They're really adopted the dark. I was born in it. Yeah. That's true. Everyone does his voice. You're a big guy. You're a big guy. I'll never get over how, like, test audiences made his voice sound worse.

Yeah, man, I was shocked the last time I saw it. Test audiences are the worst. There is something like really, I guess, memeable about it. You're right. It definitely stays in your head that. God, when that film came out, that fucking voice, that fucking voice is everywhere. Yeah.

I always liked it. But that whole trilogy was kind of like that. They're all quite quotable, like the Joker from the Dark Night. The Joker baby. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I would have to think harder about other. Quotable lines, but I think I gave some good ones.

Yeah. How about this one then from Key Bubbs, who says, is there a music album you guys think would make for a good The Wall slash Yellow Submarine type of movie? Black Parade, My Chemical Romance, it kind of tells a story, I think. Yeah, you could probably make something out of that. It's kind of rock opera-y, too. My pick would be Demon Days by guerrillas.

Oh, yeah. I think that would make a sick movie. I think originally there was going to be some kind of guerrillas movie or something like that. The visual element of that band, I feel like, would work quite well or could work quite well in a framework like that. Yeah, Gorillas is a good one. LCD sound system. They make good music. Oh, yeah.

American Dream. Didn't they do a score for something? I feel for a movie. Greenberg? Yeah. It was Greenberg. I don't know why that fact was in my head, but it was for some reason. Yeah, that's interesting now.

Yeah. If you like LCD Sand System, you should watch that movie Simon Killer. There's a scene where they use a song from them. Oh, yeah? Oh, really? Which one? I think it's called, it's like a 12-minute-long song. I think it's called Dance Songs.

That's what I'm just looking at right now. Oh, the dance one? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I really like LCD. Yeah, me too. All right.

Okay, let's do this one. one. Why Finn F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F, says, there is usually at least one subplot, which revolves around a romantic relationship or the potential of one in a lot of TV shows and movies, where their primary genre is not necessarily romance, like superhero movies, for example, but in a lot of cases, the romantic subplots in these stories feel very forced and distracting, and therefore are claimed to be one of the weakest aspects.

Name one example of a romantic subplot from a movie or a TV show. that you felt was necessary to the overall story and enjoyed watching. Hmm. I have a good answer. Okay. And it's only because I finished it recently, and that's better cool soul. I was really thinking about it. It was like, I really, really like the portrayal of the main relationship in that show.

I think it's really elegantly done. Kim and. And I think it's key to what makes, it's like the hook of the show at this point for me. It's like, how's that going to go down? What's going to happen there? I think that's what has a lot of people interested. Yeah. She's not in the rest of it.

She's not like breaking bad. Exactly, yeah. But they also have like a really genuine connection and chemistry. And I don't think that, and I think that's all without a single sex scene. I don't think they ever show anything like that. They just kind of sleep in the same bed. Didn't show anything like that. See, my issue with this question is I can think of romance portrayed well in movies.

But then at what point does it start becoming a subplot? And at what point is it about? the actual plot, right? So, like, the lobster, that's not really a subplot anymore after a certain point, really. Because that's, like, about the main plot, I guess,

right? So, yeah. It's kind of a difficult question. Yeah, it is. A movie, that's not a romance movie. Yeah. It's not like a romantic comedy. You could say, like, Blade Runner 2049, I guess. Yeah. Because that's not really... That is a subplot. Yeah. Yeah. They're asking about, like,

shoved in ones like the Thor. and like Natalie Portman and Thor or something. Or like in the Hobbit movies with the Lost Woman who was just shoved in. Good movies, it just feels so organic to the story that it doesn't feel like that. It's just part of the story. It doesn't feel like a shoehorned in subplot. It's usually just part of the genre where it feels organic. It's never fun when you can tell it was just on the checklist.

And it's like, well, if you want to make a movie, you got to have a love interest. otherwise people won't be able to jerk off in the theater or sometimes they just need to pat out time they don't need like what the fuck is this character gonna do okay give them a girlfriend or a love interest you know it's why it seems so forced it's like it's like one of the easiest things you can write it's always the same especially when it's like main character

and then love interest that serves no other purpose other than to be love interest on the checklist you know like they have no character they might not even have chemistry sort of thing. Then they get killed or something. They're there for that purpose. It's dumb.

Yeah. There's a bunch of those. I would consider that to be like a pretty big problem in movies. It's just checklist romance bullshit. Yeah. When something's that noticeable and that recognizable usually is a sign that it's just too prevalent. Especially in action films.

Yeah. Like they're not focused on characters at all. And so the women are usually like, yeah. They either kick ass or. they're like the love interest and that's it. Yeah. Adding to the stakes. Now they're in danger.

Yeah, gotta save him. He cares about that character. I've liked some of them. You can have to do something interesting with it. Like John McLean and like diehard. They're like divorced or something. He has to wonder her heart back.

Yeah. It was a little more interesting. You know like Lady in the Water. Must have to fuck the fish girl. Maybe. I don't know, I'm just scanning my Blu-ray show. Katara and Ang in the Last Airbender movie. Hell yeah.

Yeah. Oh, God. Sam and Frodo? Yeah. That's a solid one, actually. Yeah. Hey, gay relationship counts. Yeah.

All right. Next question. Fangor asks this. Is there a movie you guys have discussed that you would consider reopening for discussion because you think there's a lot more that could be said about it now that you've given it more time to think about it. Oh. Also with different guests.

I think we could have different guests on. Like the Dark Night and the Dark Night Rises. I think we could discuss that whole trilogy. Are they asking about ones that we had for like the movie recommendation though or discussed before in any perspective on our channels? They just say discussed. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Because I mean like I talked about the Dark Night when I saw it in theaters and I made a quickie right after in like 2012 or whenever that was.

And it's gone down in my rating since then for sure. but I don't know, like, out of, I don't know if there's anything we've really discussed on the podcast that I would feel differently about, though. I think these things change, like, slightly over time. Yeah. And people like to keep up to date on it. So I'm not opposed to it at all. Yeah. For me, I'd quite like to revisit Antichrist.

Oh, yeah. Or maybe even the house that Jack built, just to see what I think about it now. because I don't know I feel like when something is fairly polarizing to you it can be a good experience to go back and watch it with a different frame of mind once you kind of know what you're going into Yeah, I will be watching the house that Jack built again

even though I had the most negative perspective Out of everybody on the podcast I have a love-hate relationship with Lars anyway I'd be willing to watch it again for sure We'll see Yeah and I don't know if it necessarily needs more discussion but a film I keep thinking about is Fantastic Planet. I got underrated it when I first talked about that.

Because I don't know what it is about that movie. The imagery is just seared into my brain now. And I just constantly am thinking about it. That's cool. There is something special about Fantastic. I love that film. That's one of the best films I think we talked about. Yeah, there is something really special about that movie.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I... Yeah. I don't really have anything. Okay. Let's move on. Yeah, you want to do one more? Yeah, let's end on this one then.

From a DCX-64, who says, As of right now, what have been your favorite and least favorite Saldon cast episodes? Favorite moments count two. I don't know. Ben and Arthur for me. I love that.

Yeah. Like the movie experience? Like how... Yeah, Ben and Arthur is up there. The conversation, I think, is so funny. Yeah, it's good to have some meme movies in there. Yeah, Arthur, Madagascar. The best ones, yeah.

I really like the Lord of the Rings one. I like the ones we do on trilogies. I was really happy with the Lord of the Rings one. And the Godfather one, actually. Yeah, the Godfather one, too. Least favorite? No, I don't have any least favorite. I think they're all great.

Yeah, they're all incredible. Well, it's probably, from my perspective, anyway, it's probably like the earlier episodes where I'm just getting used to the format of recording these over Discord, you know? Yeah, exactly. It's such a different experience. I don't know how you guys found it to get used to.

Yeah, getting used to that, my audio issues of having the dub over my audio at one point. Oh, that's a good moment. Like, those were like my least favorite parts. Oh, shit, yeah. That's just because I was getting used to it and because, you know, I was doing college and work and, like, that was not a priority on my list. I was, like, recording on my laptop, like, in a library. So. Yeah, just, I don't know.

I like the, um, I like, I like our cultural differences, discusses. I like when we kind of argue with each other, you know. Yeah, it's funny. Have some, have some drama. I like when we're like defending things that, you know, we have different perspectives. It's not like real drama. Yeah, exactly. We're like jokingly making fun of culture.

Yeah. Or like, you know, differences on films too. I like, I like when we can have like a good argument about something. I enjoy that. Always looking for conflict. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's my answer. What would be the episode you do you?

So you would recommend to someone as like a first episode then, you know, excluding the obvious of starting with the first. I always say like the most recent one. Depends who I'm recommending it to. I suppose. Because there's such a wide variety of different types of movies. So it would probably be catered towards the types of movies that I would expect someone would want to hear a discussion on. Yeah.

You know, wide variety of guests too. I'd say if you're like familiar with the style of content, I think it would be good to start with one of the kind of funnier episodes with a kind of silly movie. Space Jam. Well, that's what I like about the Godfather one is that it's two incredible movies and then one horribly flawed one. So there's a nice contrast in conversation. Yeah, it just turns into a joke.

The Matrix, the same thing. Like, it starts out good, it gets worse. He has a good one, yeah. Spider-Man. That was the same thing. The third one sucks. I like the third one, actually. But, okay.

Yeah, that's about it. All right. So we have a movie recommendation, and I should have, I guess I should have discussed this before the podcast. Yeah, but I forgot. Well, so if we, we never really, we never really confirmed whether or not Matt's recommendation would have been counted as mine. So I'll leave this up to you, Ralph. So it's either going to be your turn or my turn dependent on whether or not Matt's recommendation counted as mine.

So your call. If you want to recommend, go ahead. Okay, cool. I'll recommend mine next time. Awesome. All right. So my recommendation is a double feature. And yeah, I guess I won't bother explaining too much why they're double features.

if you've seen them, which I'm assuming you both have already, then you'll already know why. It is Being John Malkovich and Adaptation. Spike Jones, Charlie Kaufman duo joints. And they are connected in ways, but I've wanted to revisit both of them for quite a long time, especially adaptation. That one would probably be the one I've seen the least

out of all of the Charlie Kaufman movies I love. and I know that watching that more recently I'll have a very different experience than the last time. I haven't seen it in forever. But yeah, I'm assuming both of you have seen both of these movies anyway, right? Yeah. How long ago you think? A couple years. Yeah, I can't really remember much at this point, so I'm actually really excited about this.

Okay, good. Yeah, I'm hyped to talk about them. All right, so if you don't want to be spoiled for being John Malkovich and Adabye's both directed by Spike Jones and written by Charlie Kaufman. Watch them before the next episode. These episodes come out every two weeks. If you want to support the show, $2 a month. Sardonicast.com, sign up for premium.

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