Sardonicast - Sardonicast #66: Jared Gilman, Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky

Episode Date: August 10, 2020

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Three, two, one. Three, two, one. You get it? It's like I did the intro from its own intro. You get it? I'm Adam from your movie sucks. This is Sardonicast. I'm Ralph from Ralph, the movie maker.

Sorry, I had to clear it from. And I'm Alex from I.Chi, and we are joined by a very special guest. Hey, guys. Who is this? Yes, hi. I'm Jared. I'm an actor film person student in a state of 2020. Yeah, it's a mood.

So what might people recognize you from? Because you've done some acting in some pretty, pretty dank films, I think. Thank you. So, yeah, people, you would know me from Mooner Ice Kingdom. I was directed by Wes Anderson. Wanderson. Yeah. I just made a reference to a line in the new Charlie Kaufman book, which we've both been reading.

We're about at the same point. I read a little more this morning. I'm on chapter 20. Yeah, you're way ahead of me. Oh, how is it? It's great. Yeah. I mean, it's very much sort of like a satirical take on like film criticism or like, you know,

wrapping it in a lot more Kaufman-esque type thing. Yeah, it's somehow simultaneously about everything Yeah At the same time It's very Kaufman Kind, that's the book Oh yeah Yeah, it's really good

I can't wait to get more through it I've just been like going through it so slowly I don't give myself that much time to read But so I'm sure everybody's curious Like what was it like to work with Wes Anderson It was uh I mean to this day It still is like kind of my favorite life experience.

That's awesome. And you're pretty young when that happened. Yeah. It was a real, like, whirlwind experience. But, like, I surprisingly do not have any kind of, like, horror situation. I feel like that nowadays, it's kind of a... He wasn't a Kubrick.

No. If you're referring to, like, the Shining. Yeah. He wasn't abusive. No, Wes. Wes is, like, opposite. Total polar opposite. opposite, very, very, like, aware of, like, everyone on set, or, you know, all those actors and very

nurturing for, especially the Scots and Kara and me. So how did that, how did that come about? Like, how did you get into acting also? Was that something that, like, you were particularly super passionate about, or, you know, was there any kind of, like, influence from your parents, or? I just sort of started taking acting classes when I was, uh, eight, nine years old, maybe. Oh, okay. Through my acting coach, I met and then signed with my managers.

And Moonrise was like the second or third audition I'd ever gone on. Oh, wow. Which, yeah, I got lucky in a sense. Like, yeah, it took like six months, the whole process between my first audition and then me eventually then being cast. Okay. And then a total of four auditions. the course of those six months. How long was the production, like, from the first rehearsal to, like, when you wrapped it up?

The production was in Rhode Island for about, like, two to two and a half months in 2011. And already by that age, I was very much a fan of a lot of those people. I was already very, I had already had already had sort of like my Ghostbusters phase and a bunch, yeah, a bunch of Bill Murray movies, actually, Ghostbusters. What about Bob? Groundhog Day. And I think after I got cast, I watched Caddyshack. Nice. Caddyshack's funny.

Because, you know, it was only 12. You know, obviously I hadn't seen like all the R-rated movies that my coasters had hacked it in. So you were also in Patterson by Jim Jarmish. Both you and I forget her name kind of had a scene together. Kara? Did that just like, yeah, did that just kind of, like, was it just a random audition and then do you just decided to be serendipitous or did he specifically say like hey i want the moonrise kingdom kids in my movie like how did that come about uh it was uh indeed the latter

it's just like i want to take those characters and make up anarchists the package too it was really interesting too because like we only knew that scene we didn't he didn't give us the full script for the movie yeah it was a pretty contained scene yeah and we shot it in a day um Columbus day 2015 uh i I remember that day really, really well, because I had off from school, so I did not have to do any, like, schooling on set. Did the scene, ate lunch, did more scene, and then wrapped. So, uh, you're taking film school for, like, directing stuff. So is that what you ultimately would like to be doing with your career? It's a question I kind of asked myself a lot, or I had been asking myself a lot.

I think, so to, I guess, get a little more specific in terms of what I've done, like, at NYU's, like, the classes that I've taken so far. Most recently, I did like my intermediate short film, which is like the step below thesis. So it's like a three to eight minute short. Will that be published anywhere? Might show up on YouTube. I'm still figuring it out, but I will, you know, I guess at this point, maybe at a stage where I'm like nostalgic.

What do you mean by that? For last year. Like, in turn, you know, because of quarantine and all that. Being able to actually do the courses properly. Yeah. You know, actually like working on stuff with other people. Yeah. It's kind of a necessity.

Yeah, that was an experience. I valued a lot. So I took that. And then the following semester, I did a class called Science on filmmaking. And the idea with that is that you're put into like Cruiser 4 and you're sent out and you have to make a one to five minute short every two weeks. Wow. But it's each one of you. So it's like you're working on each other's films like every weekend or ideally that's how it works

That was like a really fun experience. I got to make a bunch of really really scrappy Some literal some abstract shorts I guess my final literally I just shot it headed it Uploaded it wrote my production book and all that shit and then I thought of the plot Nice what does this mean it was like one of those things It's like it really kind of puts you through like a creative grinder in a way. Yeah, it's like not a bad exercise. Yeah, it definitely helped me, I think, also just sort of figure out what I'm interested in visually, where my instincts seem to be taking me and all that.

Yeah, you just got to learn hands on. Like, that's the best way to learn is just doing it. It almost became kind of nostalgic for me because when I was like a kid, I used to just like make dumb stupid like action shorts like my friend who lived a few houses down the street. I think all of us did. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't.

I mean, it's a necessary thing though. I think it's like a good thing to learn when you're young especially. Yeah. Like, fuck around with it. You get a better like idea of what you would need when you're doing it professionally in the future. I guess it's like funny because a lot of the, a lot of the fucking shit that I made were, It was basically like as violent as like the movie we watched. Oh, yeah.

Just like people like cheat in. It's like gunfights and but with like Nerf guns and. Yeah. It was like really good. Yeah. Fake muzzle flashes you add in. Do these exist anywhere or are they like too embarrassing to have on YouTube? They do not.

Okay. Just curious. I exist online anywhere. I, yeah, they're probably too embarrassing. I did do one when I, when I was. filming Moonrise. I did, me and a couple of my friends who played the khaki scouts. We just like ran around our hotel hallway with like Nerf guns and like toy guns that I'd won at like a nearby arcade. Like you have to understand when I was filming that movie, I was still

very much a kid. Oh yeah. I was still like going to like the arcade every weekend and like listening to dubstep on set. Nice. Yeah. Get into the character. Yeah. What I will say is that I was prep for the movie. West did, like, have Kara and me kind of get tested with, like, the script memorization. I had to learn how to kayak for just that one shot in the movie. In terms of, like, acting prep that Wes had us do, he had me watch Kleeneaswood movie Escape from Alcatraz.

Oh, nice. And then he also had us, had Karen and I actually, like, mail each other the letters. that the characters do in the movie. That's awesome. All the handwriting you see in the movie, that is my handwriting. You had me do that quite a few times. That's probably the best it'll ever look. You've mentioned, I guess, looking back on, I guess, the experience of filming Moonrise Kingdom.

I'm curious, what are your thoughts when you look back at, I guess, your performance? Like, how critical are you of your past self? I'm just curious about that. Yeah, I would say that as I got older, I got more self-conscious. And then also interviews. Yeah. Like the press interviews that I did. I had difficulty watching those back just because I, you know, at that point I was like 13 and I was like, what the hell am I doing?

Like, just like, also because of the nature of it too, because like it's a lot of, you know, you're sitting in a chair and you're watching a rotating line of media people like interviewing asking how. of the same questions over and over again. So I did have a session before I did any of the press stuff where like I did have a little bit of like training in terms of like ways, I guess like nicer ways of answering certain questions or just like ways that are just like basic kind of like etiquette tips and stuff like that. Okay. And so I went back to school and like friends, you know, sometimes would like jokingly pull

up interviews and stuff and I'd like start cringing. You posted on Twitter that you got interviewed by Flav or Flav, and I tried finding that on YouTube and I couldn't find it. Yeah, it's, I don't know where. I don't know. Is it where you have a screenshot from? You just had that? If you go on Safari and you just like Google, Flava Flavav 2013 MTV Movie Awards.

Okay. One of the lengths, it's a video, it's literally a supercut of him just saying, on the red carpet. So there are a couple of shots where he's saying, wow, to me. Okay. And the full context that I can tell you about is that that fucking red carpet was insane. Yeah. Just in terms of, like, the media people that were there and just like, again, remember eight years ago or whatever long, and I was like 14 at the time.

So, like, that whole red carpet was, like, insane because it was like everyone like I had, I just watched, you know, in movies that year. Flav-a-Flav-Lay was there. Snooki was on the red carpet doing interviews. Oh, yeah, that was a thing. And I remember at one point they had me sat down next to Seth Rogen. Nice. For part of it. It was interesting because, like, at that point, I hadn't watched all of his films yet

because I was still 14. And I was somewhat following the rules, I guess, when it came to certain raunchy movies, maybe. I don't know. He had to go and do, like, a bit where he was, like, on stage in between, like, the awards and, like, he dropped his pants or whatever in, like, moving. the audience and then afterwards like ran I ran into him on my way out it was him and Danny McBrack and Seth Rogen like bleens up and he's like hey sorry you had to see my ass there sorry it's okay it's all for comedy don't worry Alex or Ralph did you have any

yeah I just wanted to ask you something quick if you had any advice to like young actors who might find themselves in your position going to film score leader even or even being an elite in a movie being so young. I mean, I think just because of the nature of this year and everything that's happened, I guess, okay, well, all right, what kind of, like, what sort of advice? Like, what, like, I don't know. I don't know. Like, just general advice?

Well, being so young, I can imagine there's a lot of pressure. Like, this is your first film and there was so much writing on your performance and to be so good. So, I don't know. I can imagine other young actors would find themselves in a similar position. So if you had any advice for them, I'm sure you could offer a lot. Oh, like general acting? Yeah, general acting. Oh, God.

And directing, too. I mean, just working with Wes Anderson, you know a lot about directing. Sure, yeah. I mean. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, it's such, it's like, because the thing is, it's like, it's so, so, it's such a personal thing that like, I don't know, if I had to give acting advice, maybe trust, trust the material or like, I don't know, I don't know. I'm admittedly not. the biggest advice giver right now.

Sure. So I do apologize for not having a lot of answers to this. I do think you have a lot to offer in answering that. And Alex, if you want to ask yours, and then we could come back. Yeah, yeah, I can come back to you. That's fine, too. Yeah, I was going to ask about some of your movie tastes before we're going to speaking about Ricky. Do you have any recent favorites from the last couple years or just all-time favorites?

It's a difficult question. Okay, so like last year, favorite films were like uncutely. gems, Parasite, Portrait of a Lady on Fire, Irishman. I guess also I should admit, having lived in the city, I was going to, like, New York Film Festival every fall. And so, like, I was seeing a lot of these movies, like, there for the first time. And I got to see, like, you know, Uncut Jams and, like, The Irishman and all the films I just mentioned, like, on the big screen, which was, like, insane at the time.

That was, like, one of the things that I really loved about living in the city was, like, just being, was the mobility of just like thinking, oh shit, I want to go see this random ass action movie and then like walk. Better selection in the city. Yeah. Do you have like a favorite director? Oh, I'm really bad of favorites. I mean, you know, I'm very much into a lot of the same filmmakers that I think we're all

into. Yeah. Neil Breen. Yes. Neil Breen. Tommy Wise. So, you know, Spike Drones, Charlie Kaufman, Edgar Wright. Nice.

Bung-Tun-Hoe, ParkChang-Wuk, who else? So, Safdies, they're great. You sound like you listen to SardanaCast. I do actually listen to you guys. I wanted to say something at the top of the episode, but like, I just kept going. And, but yeah, I do actually. I, like, kind of grew up listening, like, watching your guys' channels. Awesome.

We're taking over. When I say I was 14, it was like right before Adam, it was like right before I started watching your channel. Crazy. Yeah. And then I guess Ralph and. And Alex, yeah, that was like... I must have been like 7, 16, 17 around then, I think.

Well, I just want to apologize for poisoning your mind. Yeah, dude, sorry. Oopsie. It's okay, it's okay. I've gone to film school. It's fine, it's fine. Yeah, it gets to work down. I'm okay.

Do you have like a favorite genre or style that you want to work in yourself that defines your taste? In terms of like the ideas that have been like percolating in my head these last last several years. Genre-wise, they've, like, skewed in, like, the, like, dark comedy route. I know R.E.S. or said his next film was a nightmare comedy.

Yeah. I feel like that's a genre that, uh, a genre label that... I feel like I'm at way too early at a point to kind of, like, pin myself down anywhere. And then, too, it's like, I also want to see what's going to happen in terms of, like, the state of productions and, like, all that moving forward.

I, I'm just very, very, very, very. curious to see what happens in the next, you know, several months. I guess before we move on to the next part of the discussion, I guess did you want to go back to that? Did you have any thought to give on like general advice? It doesn't even need to necessarily be on like acting specifically, but like, I don't know, mindset or like what to expect or prepare for. I want to say like have an open mind or like just sort of like don't take a. anything personally or just don't like, you know, don't.

Don't be a dick. Know that like you're sort of venturing in a very spiky territory, but it's not like just because there are spikes. It is bad. I know my experience and my experience was I did Moonrise and then I did some other films and worked with a lot of really, really great people. I'm not like, you know, someone who's. through like the Hollywood system or like the sort of like that kind of side of it almost it's sort of just

yeah not just like indie films but but non-existent films yeah uh films never get released or i mean that are yeah i mean i'm not really sure what happened with them that uh that's actually a phenomenon that films do you get shot and then edited and then change their mind nothing And in a way, I feel like, you know, it did maybe turn me into someone who, you know, I am very much, I don't, I don't consider myself pessimistic. But I feel like sometimes, like, I'm with other people and I'll say things and then, I don't know, maybe I'm too strongly worded or whatever. But, like, I guess like, you know, it's like I don't believe it until I see it or until I'm there. You're just, you're more cautious and more experienced in this, I guess. In a way.

It's not a bad thing. It's a very good thing. Yeah, I'm always happy to work. I'm always, like, super pumped to go on set and, like, see scenes and, you know, work with other actors and the director and everyone. But, you know, I'm always in the back of my head, like, giving my fingers crossed that everything is, like, going to go, okay. Because, yeah, because that's just, you know, the production life is that, you know, it's all very unpredictable. The nature of it is that it can be very unpredictable. Sometimes, you know, everything goes super fine and smooth and everyone's happy and it's great.

Other times, you know, because you got super harsh deadlines and sometimes can get heated and all that. But, you know, it's all for making movies. Yeah, it's all for the art. Which is awesome. And I'm just only really talking about, like, my experiences. But yeah. Awesome. That's all really insightful.

Yeah. Thank you. I thought that that was insightful. All right. So there's some movie news that I guess we won't talk about for too long, but I just kind of wanted to mention. Avatar is delayed again. Well, the second one.

I guess all the sequels are also delayed now. Everything is delayed. We mentioned the same thing happening with Tenet in the last episode, but I think that there's a bit different context to this in particular, because the whole point of Avatar is that it's... The selling point is that it's supposed to look like crazy new technology. I'm just worried, like, if it's being delayed, what is it now two years,

it was supposed to originally come out in like 2020 or something? Like, is it still going to be as groundbreaking visually or... I don't know. Surely there has to be more to the plan, though, if they're planning, how many, three or four of them? If there's one a year, there's got to be more to it than just pretty visual. any more avatar sequel or some shit? I guess it really just depends on like what the overarching narrative thread is and like what

Yeah What he's even like thinking about story wise He said that like they were planning on it being underwater from remembering correctly That's right, yeah I feel like I heard that somewhere and uh yeah It sounds like a very James Camerony thing to do Yeah, he loves the ocean so Do you think it's gonna work out for them?

Because people are like already writing it off but yeah, I don't know like the amount of just the pure amount of money and resources that have already been put in I'm too curious I'm yeah that's gonna watch those movies no matter what I think everybody's curious I think I think that can sum up the the general experience of people when looking forward to this movie is just curious he's interesting enough to me that like I'm still gonna watch like anything that he comes with he's got some level of faith in it surely yeah I mean it could you know you're right it could totally turn out to be like really monotonous. I mean, we'll see, I guess.

I'm not expecting a masterpiece. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's going to be a big, gigantic Hollywood movie. So it's probably going to have a certain level of like bombast and like a certain level of like scope, yeah. And scope is what I'm imagining. And it's probably going to look. It just, I think what's what the real question is is like, is it going to get to a point where like, CG is just, you know, so photorealistic that like how far.

Are you going to be able to push the sort of spectacle aspect of like CG quality in like the next few years? That's kind of what I'm wondering. Since the first one, think about the amount of cinematic spectacle we've seen. When did I talk about? 2007? Nine. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's over a decade worth of like CG tech and visual effects. And like I haven't watched it in a while, but last time I saw it, I was in my high school, high school astrophysics class senior years so it was 2017 so a couple years ago and like even then the Navi looked good

some of the explosions you know you could tell it was like 2009 yeah I mean CG gets dated inevitably the Lion King 2019 has parts that look dated right now yeah has anybody seen the YouTube video from Jack's films called Can Anyone Name

single character from the movie Avatar. He basically, yeah, him and internet comment etiquette and Brock Baker. They run around interviewing people just being like, have you seen Avatar? Yes, can you name a single character and nobody can. It's like a 10 minute long video. Which is a great video to make.

Jake Sully. Is it Jake Sully? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, Jake Sully. Yeah, that's the one. The Tiri. I'm shocked that any of you can remember characters' names from that movie because I can't. Who was the Jacelly? General. I remember something really... Yeah, what's his name?

General... Stephen Lang's character, right? Yeah. General grievous. Yeah, it was like that. General meaning. Here, I'll appear. I'll just put up on my phone real quick. Major pain.

Oh, it's... What is it? Miles Corridge. Nice. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I'll be watching the first avatar for the second time right before the second one comes out pretty much.

It's just it's been so long and I've never felt Obligated to watch it for a second time. I'll only just do that just to catch myself back up and I don't remember like I didn't have a bad experience watching it. I thought it was fine Yeah, I enjoyed it I mean yeah it's it's like a pretty like cut and dry story like it's just that it's like a three hour movie It's a classic tale yeah I think an Avatar 2 would do well. I don't know about Avatar 5 and yeah Yeah, it's a lot to invest in it's a lot to ask about people Yeah, it's a lot to invest in, right? Yeah. If Avatar 2 bombs, that would be, like, the most insane thing on the planet.

Because then it's like, what do you do with the other one? I don't think it will bomb. Yeah. I think enough people are... I have a lot of things. I mean, it could do that sort of DC thing of, like, having a really big opening weekend and then kind of dropping off. Yeah, maybe.

Yeah, if people don't like it. Yeah, if it's not good in the curiosity wins, yeah. With these franchises, I think the issue is, like, they don't have someone with a clear vision that's, like, good. James Cameron who can just steer the project and he knows what he's doing. I think a lot of these kind of fall apart like DC or like Star Wars kind of like people lose interest because there's like a bunch of creative people and they're all like doing their own thing with it.

You have like Mandalorian on this side and then you have Rogue One and then you have like a Last Jedi. Yeah, it's like very different tones and I think people are like kind of they get sick of it. Yeah Disney has made mistakes before. They were gonna make that solo Star Wars movie. into a trilogy and then they were like, nope. I think James Cameron's a bit smarter than that. Yeah.

He could tell a story at least, I think. Yeah. All right, just wanted to mention that anyway. If there's other crazy movie news that we didn't talk about, it's because we recorded this episode earlier than you. It doesn't happen yet for us. I mean, I guess the only other news I can think about is just like the fact of like everything is now delayed.

Yeah. That's basically just everything's delayed except Netflix. Everything that was planned to have a theatrical release, except for like, Bill and Said 3. Bill and said three. Keanu's big right now. I'm sure it'll do well. Yeah. It's been on fun and adventure movies.

Yeah. John Witt. So, like, you know, it's going to be like, you know, it's not going to be like a masterpiece. How do you know? It'll be a good time, hopefully. Could be a masterpiece. I hope it is. It won't be.

Did we talk about the Morbius trailer? That came out so long ago, and I had that on my nose. It came out so long ago. But I watched it. And Michael Keaton shows up at the end. Oh, yeah. Which means it's like tied in with Venom. Ah, I'm glad you brought this up, actually.

Yeah. Because I'm not trying to dodge. I'm not trying to dodge the bet here. Okay. Because I think you owe me. So from memory, because this is a while ago now, from whenever Venom came out. The bet was Venom would be in the MCU, right?

We'll have to go back. Again, it's going Ben. Somebody has to click. Someone on the Reddit law. We need the full clip. So does this more be a strange? trailer confirmed that Venom is in the MCU. Tom Hardy's Venom.

I think it does. Really? Because if it does, if we can get some, you know, someone can check this and guarantee a... Someone double-check. We need a ref or something. Yeah, somebody post on a separate party. And Reddit's pretty good.

Or like in like the general MC, like with all the Avengers and all that. See, this is what I mean because I don't believe that Marvel would let that movie like exist in the MCU. That's my like cult. Yeah, with Tom Hardy. think their standards are too high. Yeah, I don't... Well, because it was also...

That was a Sony one, right? Yeah. That was Sony. So, yeah, I don't think that they would consider it. You never know. Yeah, it might not be. But, but, like, Michael Keaton is in... So that means it's like the same character.

Yeah, so they're connected by that. I don't even remember who Michael Keaton played in Venom. He wasn't in Venom. He was in Spider-Man. Oh, but that's different than the... He was the bad guy. The Birdman. Mm-hmm.

The other birdman. Yeah, so you see my confusion. They're like teetering on the... the edge of making it reality. That's not the Venom movie, though. It's Morbius, which is made by Sony. If Morbius is in the Venom universe, then perhaps... But Michael Keaton's not necessarily in the Venom universe, is he?

He's in a different Spider-Man movie. Yeah, but that's... Michael Keaton wasn't as a... It's the same character. You're trying to explain the unexplainable. Michael Keaton was in... The... The...

It's getting a little convoluty now. Tom Hall and Spider-Man, but Venom was not in that. So we don't even know if those are the same universe because Spider-Man was never in the Venom movie. No, Spider-Man is not a Venom movie. The reason Michael Keaton's in that, in Morbius, I think, was that it was Sony's terms. Because remember that thing that happened with Spider-Man where he was, like, out of the MCU for a bit? I think in their negotiations to come up with a new contract, they were like, they agreed to use, like, side characters from the MCU like that one, Birdman or whatever. Yeah, Michael Keaton's character.

Right. Yeah, I have no idea. I'll pay up the second I see some proof. Yeah. Right. We might have to wait for the movie to come out, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Carnage.

It was worth bringing up. It's pretty funny. I think so. That's great. I love that this just keeps going. It's going to be like an ongoing thing. Yeah, it's never going to end. Okay, we can start the movie discussion now, I guess.

Oh, yeah. Riky-Yo. Nail-biting drama. All right, so there was a movie recommended last episode. and it's spoiler discussion. It's Ricky O, the story of Ricky. It is a Hong Kong Kung Fu kind of like martial arts movie. Debatably, but not really.

It's not really. It almost like it has the same tone. It's like a prison fight. Yeah, it's like the raid. Comedy too. But not at all. It's like a violent rip-em-up, puncher-mup. A very gory

fun film It is like the raid or like the raid two The prison part If the violence was really funny Yeah if it was just over the top Yeah And it is hysterical Did you guys watch the subbed or dubbed?

Dubbed Yeah I watched subbed And then I read on the wiki That the dub was hilarious And then kind of regretted it Yeah that's why I watched the dub Yeah

The dub is on Tooby Okay Oh Because the dub is on Amazon Prime It was like Rancable on Amazon crime. Oh, okay. I watched it on 2B because it was free. So I just watched it in the original language.

So how was the dub then, for those of you that watched the dub? I thought the dubbing was very good. What do you mean by that? In that it's a little more comedic in tone with the dub, but I think that adds to the experience. I don't think that takes away from it. If it was a more serious film, then yeah, I can see why. It works either way, I think. Yeah, it does put a different kind of space.

been on like the humor. I rewatched them like clips on YouTube and the clips were subtitled. So like I got to see when what's his name gets his chest like caved in and then ripped open. The humor is still there subbed or dubbed. It's just that it's like yeah, I feel like with like the sub it's a little drier. Yeah. It was an interesting tone for this with the sub for sure. But there were parts in the movie where I was like okay that's definitely 100% supposed to be funny. Like that that's that's definitely going for laughs there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's definitely a comedy. Yeah, the guys keep saying, you bastard. You bastard. I'll get you, you bastard. It's really funny in the dub.

Like, I can't imagine that same thing. So the plot of this film is that this is a dystopian future where capitalistic companies have privatized everything. And I'm not sure exactly how much that comes into play in the film, but that was the opening title. and Ricky has got like five bullets in his chest because some mob boss indirectly killed his girlfriend and she jumped off a roof

in a very, very comical way and then he's in jail and he discovers some opium stuff going on and fights a bunch of people and everybody gets hurt and dies in gory ways pretty much that's the basic gist of it it's just nuts from there Yeah.

It's basically a super hero movie speaking to them. He's like super powered he can do crazy things that punch through people, cut the heads off. Yeah, it's like that mixed with like a fighting movie kind of, you know, training montage and learning the new martial art. Mm-hmm. Yeah, training in a graveyard at night with a bunch of fog. Yeah. Yeah. It's super cartoony.

I mean, the whole way through. I kept thinking this is really like a comic book and it makes sense because it's based on a manga. Yeah, I didn't know that until after. Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't know. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. He can take a lot of beatings.

He gets beat up a lot in this movie, which is why it reminded me like the Loditunes thing. The part where the prisoner puts the razor blades in his mouth, and then they duct tape it and starts hitting him. Like, that was hysterical. And that character, by the way, it's a male character in a male prison, but the actors played by a woman. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, but that was just such an interesting, like, choice. Yeah. Like for that time and like in the movie it was just something I noticed I was like oh that was cool I think it's Rogan in the dub and then Juan Chon in the subtitled one The fake blood in this looked like it just the color of it and the consistency it didn't look fake it looked really good even though the effects are like really goofy Like the the gore was really effective and I guess it's because a shot on film too that added to it But yeah yeah it was just awesome it was just an awesome fucking movie to watch because of that

That and like the cutting. I thought like the cutting during like the fights was really like spot on, I thought. They showed just enough. It was quick, but it was all, you know, very, very punching. Like, the shots were very clear that they sell what the effect that they're going, you know, in general, you know, it's cheesy and you get that. It's like an effect. But it's like, you're still getting a reaction out of it.

You know, it's still like, oh. Yeah, I wasn't expecting to enjoy the practical effects this much. I knew it was like supposed to be like kind of goofy, campy over the top. stuff. And so walking into something like that, I'm expecting more of a like trauma, Lloyd Kaufman kind of approach when it comes to to, I guess, the overall effects. But they actually put a lot of efforted to it. There was some, there were some really creative, I guess, gags in terms of ways that people died and just like really disturbing concepts for violence. Yeah, but it's also funny. It's just so over the top. There's really goofy effects, like the big.

rubber man at the end that like that looked really bad but and when especially when Ricky was just holding his head like at the end well then there's that part when he gets eventually thrown into the me grinder and you see the wire on it yeah like the scene it's so like pulpy and poppy it was so much fun or these silly is that how's you gonna get out of this one then that's basically the hook of the movie is like what's he gonna do next how's he gonna get revenge next because it kept like building up like just new people to get revenge on again and again yeah like Like when he gets blinded during that one fight, and then he has to break the water, whatever, and then, like, wash his eyes out.

That was great. Very silly. That scene where he screams in the rain. Oh, yeah. It was one of my favorite movie, but really got me. That was the moment I was like, okay, I get all the scenes that's incredible. I wanted to, like, edit in that, like, 80s, like, montage song. Like, it's a maniac, maniac.

Just like in that scene, just like. anger in the rain felt very reminiscent of that kind of thing. Who here has seen Peter Jackson's dead alive or brain dead depending on which? Yeah, yeah. All of us? I haven't actually. You have not? No.

That's a gory movie. Yeah, that is a gory movie. That is holy shit. I mean, Ricky owes its own thing. Dead alive, holy shit. I love dead alive. I don't think I've actually, that might be the gorious movie I've seen, right? I would have to say that.

The scale of like the practical effects and the gore work in that movie. Second place, maybe being like evil dead. Yeah, I would say, I would say dead alive is more gory than evil dead, honestly. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying is like dead alive and then evil dead. Like in terms of like the ordering. But yeah, that was a great movie. I kind of would like to have another really, really violent over the top Peter Jackson movie.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Sam Ramey and how he made like, drag me to hell after so many years. I want Peter Jackson to go back to his roots and make one of those. Yeah, so when it comes to this movie, it's, there's a lot about it that's incredibly tropey, but I don't even care. Oh, yeah. In like a different movie, it might bother me a bit more.

But it's just so cheesy and just so, like, it adds to the experience in a way, whether or not it's like, intense. intentional in every sense. There's so much about it, like the villain character, not the warden, but the guy with the eye ball. It keeps his mince in his eye. Which is like the worst place to keep mince.

That would be, you get that like menthol burn in your eye socket. He's got mints for brains. Pretty much. I love the warden's son. That character. was so funny.

He was like probably in his 20s or something I don't know how old the actor was but he was like doing a Martin Short, Clifford thing just gets out of the car

goes on the red carpet trips and then immediately it'll be like who rolled the carpet so where do you think the balance is on the laughing with it versus laughing at it type thing

because I was surprised with how much I was laughing with it yeah it It seemed fairly self-aware. It's like an 80-20 ratio. Somewhere in that ballpark. It's the only tone you can really like commit to to sell something like this. It's so ridiculous.

I mostly appreciated it because it was well done. Exactly. Yeah. I really wasn't laughing at it. I'm like, this is just the tone of it. It just works as it is. It's an over-the-top fucking crazy movie. And it works within this universe.

Everything within the movie is like fine. I don't think anything happened. That wouldn't like happen in that movie's universe, you know? Yeah, it very much does exactly what it sets out to do. Mm-hmm, exactly. It was surprisingly ambitious for a movie that was basically, I mean, like, mostly just one location, too. A lot of things happened. I like the bottle feel of it, too.

Yeah. Kind of had a good build, too, like, where, you know, in terms of, like, the structure and, like, the frequency of the action, first 20 or so minutes are a little light, but you got some great scenes. And then, like, after a certain point, it just, like, fights. It's, like, great. Yeah. This is non-stop chaos. Yeah, and that way it almost reminded me of like Scott Pilgrim,

that buildup of like just characters going more by one and then there being like an action fight or something. The Gang of 4 instead of the 70 Lentzes. Yeah, basically. And the raid kind of does that too. There's like these henchmen characters that come in, I guess more than the second one. Yeah.

That reminded me of that. These like one has a hammer and then one has a bat. It's like that. I like the guy with the hook. Yeah. Yeah. And then the whole like, stab through the desk thing and break the desk.

Yeah. It's a lot of fun. We could just have an entire discussion just talking about each one of the practical effects. Just how funny it is. Basically. Oh yeah. When he gets like cutting his arm and he's got to like reconnect. Yeah, he like ties his tendon back together.

I'm like that doesn't mean. Yeah. That was gross. It's like fucking gross to watch. That has to be for last, right? Yeah. It's like a gross out and like a laugh moment too. Yeah.

And then also when he's fighting the guy and he air. Again, after he unblinds himself and his opponent, then forms like... Sepuku. Yeah. And then like wraps his intestines around. Oh, yeah. And the assistant warden has the amazing line. He got a lot of guts, Oscar.

Oh, God. Yeah, I wonder how faithful to the manga it is. Yeah, I was reading. Apparently, some people have a criticism for this movie. that being why does rickie not just use his powers to escape right at the beginning because apparently in the manga he has an actual reason show rather okay um it's just yeah it's very silly like he just he just punches the wall at the end and they show it like three times in a row that was actually good editing and then you see the wires or like yeah of the wall are pulled back yeah he wanted to

he to expose the opium hijinks first yeah yeah i mean if That's what bothers you about the movie. If that's your takeaway, it's like, I can't get out of it. Yeah. I mean, there's things that make less sense than that.

There's also a sequel, or allegedly there's a sequel? Yeah. I just wanted to mention that, too. It's like an unofficial, or he's not, he's playing Ricky, but it's not Ricky.

Yeah. It's like a different name, but it's the same actor, and it's like a completely different story. It's set like way after. It's not really in a prison. I don't think. Yeah.

I was looking it up. Apparently it exists. on DVD in Hong Kong but without English subtitles so who knows there might be like a fan sub or something somewhere I have no idea they didn't release it in America so yeah I can't even see it there were um

I mean I can't even say that these things really bothered me but just things that I noticed that were like that's probably not intentional just like the the warden and how his head is like shaved instead of like his head is shaved for

male pattern baldness like you can tell that there's like, you know, you could see like the different colored, like a five o'clock shadow on top of his head. Yeah, even though he's supposed to. Yeah. You could just like paint over that or something.

Give him a bald cap. It's probably better. Yeah, you'd think with how well they do all of the gore effects, they'd be able to put on a little makeup on his head. There were a couple of Kool-Aid man moments burst into the wall. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah.

Yeah, I love those. Those are the best parts. I was a fan of the boss upgrade at the end of the warding. Yeah. Being revealed to be a master of the martial art that he's been studying this whole time. Yeah. It was such a video game moment. And then like the reincorporation of the one line about it being about, what was it?

Like it's a strength-based fighting style where like each punch makes you stronger. Conceptually, you can definitely do a lot with that. It is you know that I guess it is a shame. It's only got that one pseudo-sequel Mm-hmm. You know, there wasn't a whole Ricky universe. Yeah, there should have been more. We need Ricky three. Maybe they can remake it.

Directed by the guy directed the raid movies. Yeah. I think he'd get a good fit. I mean, he hasn't really done comedy, but yeah, he should fucking do it. Yeah, that'll be amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So did you have any favorite lines from the film?

I've got a couple written down. I don't know if they were in the dub or not, but they were this way in the sub. There was the punch hurts even without touching me, which just felt very reminiscent to like black dynamite in a way. This is like, this is so goofy it over the top. Yeah. And then there's the guy singing, like from the bathroom

when he's singing something like, a playboy goes to the toilet without knowing whether he needs to or not. Oh, it was a little different in the dub. It's a bit different in the dub. It's a different song. He's like singing like, it got no satisfaction or something. Yeah. He's singing like a rolling.

So insane. That was hysterical. That was actually one of the funniest parts of the movie. He's like, yeah, I guess I'll have to watch the other version. Yeah. So I was like, wait, did he not take a shit? I'm so glad you remembered that because I was wondering like, I wonder what that is in the other version. Okay. I never checked it. Yeah, that's perfect. That moment stuck out to me too and I was watching it again. It's perfect.

I love the flute scene. I love the cheesy sound effects to the flute. And I love seeing the guy like run away so happy like dancing along like playing the flute right after it's so cheesy and so good it's perfect yeah it's a it's a really good watch with friends drunk movie for sure yeah although that's not what I did but I can I can imagine it fits that bad for sure yeah there isn't I guess what else we got I mean I kind of anticipated that this would this discussion wouldn't have, I mean, like, what are we going to talk about, like, the themes? Like, what are we going to talk about here? Like, well, there are themes.

It's like, uh, it's very like anti, like, you know, the man is fighting you, keeping you locked down and trying to keep you in your cell. You've got to fight the power and break out and be like Ricky, just fucking kill everyone and be free. Yeah, just put out of just punch everyone in the face. Yeah. It's a symbol of strength, like what every person wants. You know, that's what I see Rekhiyaz. That's why I love the character. Yeah.

It's also a pretty good Mortal Kombat movie. Yeah. Some of the shots are like direct. Oh, yeah, pretty much. They're just like fatalities. It's awesome. They're just like fatalities, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they're basically, you're right. They're basically fatalities, yeah. They're working on a Mortal Kombat movie now. They got to watch this and they got to take notes from this. And they got to top it, too, because this is really impressive and really creative, too. Like, not just the effects work. Like, the stuff they come up with is really funny. I'd hope they be so much familiar with this.

stuff with this film. Because I feel like I had heard about it before because the whole like fight scene with the one, you know, he takes his intestines out. That was like a I feel like that was like a whole, I was like a viral clip for a while on YouTube. Yeah, that seemed familiar. It was like a video. It was like the

goreous fight ever in a movie or whatever and it's like from 10 years ago. Yes. Yeah. I knew there were things I recognized about it because yeah, it definitely felt like one of those type of movies. Really fucking solid movie. Yeah. Very It gained that cult following through like YouTube clips and that makes so much sense.

Like someone would upload like a 360p YouTube clip of it like 10 years ago. People like this is fucking awesome. What is this movie? Yeah, it's great. It has like an audience in America and all over the world, I guess. I want more movies like this. Yeah. I'm sure there are.

I'm sure there's tons. But this even feels like even for a Hong Kong movie, which a lot of them are very over the top, this feels stand out, I think, because of how creative and funny it is. It's very unique. And they commit. Yeah, they'll hold back, it's all. It is really well done.

And even the cheesy moments work. They're very genuine and funny, too. The flashbacks with his girlfriend, like, in the field or whatever they're doing. You know, they're running around with the RC helicopters. It's so funny. Yeah, yeah. Her death was very sudden and, like, that's hilarious. Yeah, it was, yeah.

I guess if I had, like, any kind of critique of it, it's just maybe, that element, like in terms of the emotional aspect of it, even though it's not really like one of those movies, I guess. But, like, it seemed like it was almost trying, but I don't know, maybe I'm reading it. They were trying to up the stakes, yeah. Back in the early 90s, depending on the audience, you know, there might be parts of the movie that some people are able to take unironically, but to me, it's, you know, the whole thing is just super goofy, so I can't.

Yeah, yeah. And it's not really, it's not a movie that needs that kind of emotional engagement for it to sort of work. Yeah, the characters don't have to be like relatable, realistic people. They're all cartoon characters. Yeah, as long as they're like well-defined enough to sort of be entertaining. They're well-defined and they represent something. Yeah. Yeah, they do just enough.

At the beginning of the movie, it's like so clear what it's going for. They like throw the old dude. And then there's this like synchronized movement between the two guys. They like clap their hands together and then high five and then peace sign. at the camera and smile. I was like, yes, this is it. This is exactly what I want. I love the...

I don't know if this was the same line in the dub or not, but the big guy, he says that he was offered 30 kilograms of rice to kill Ricky, and that's why he's doing it. So many good, hilarious over-the-top gore effects. That's like, but the majority of my notes is just listing off each one of those.

I even liked, like, some of the non-gore kind of set pieces so it was buried and just the way they presented that was a lot of fun. Yeah like kicked a dog in half. I also just enjoyed like the prisoners sort of commentary on whatever was going on like on the action because like they all love

Ricky but then like they have to like participate in the burial. They all feel really bad and then afterwards they're just like oh shit what do we do? They're all like trying to encourage him in every way like sneaking little messages of encouragement for him. Yeah and they're like feeding him

at one point. That was a cool dynamic. Very entertaining. I loved the during the training scene in the graveyard where he's just getting like gravestones thrown at him. And then the last one, like, his uncle just like carries one

and just runs into him and it crumbles. Yeah. So goofy. Yeah, it's like each one's supposed to be like heavier and then he just like ramms him. And even like even despite the cheesiness, even despite like all the tropiness, there's actually, I do like,

like the design of the villain with the different colored eyeball, especially when there's like blood all over his face, like in that scene when he's introduced. I thought that that was actually like really unironically, a pretty strong visual. Yeah, that's what I mean about the like comic bookie visual style to it. Like it seemed really like vivid like that.

There definitely was a level of effort that was put into this movie for sure, like lots of effort. There was this director directed a bunch of things before this. and then the only one after was 1992, The Cat. I have no idea what any of these movies are. Just kind of wanted to see the IMDB to see if I recognize anything, but I do not. It's accessible to audiences outside of China, I guess. Yeah, that's for sure.

Apparently, in the meat grinder finale set piece, there was so much fake blood that was used that the actor could not wash the red off his skin for three days. according to some trivia. Yeah, fake blood is sticky. Yeah, it stays. And that's another reason why I can kind of accept the trend of like CG effects and like action scenes and stuff is just because like practical shooting with practical effects has got to be really fucking challenging.

So just like have an actor like getting shot or just like doing anything with like blood. Yeah. And then like the amount of time that that's got to take per day. It's a whole thing though. You have to have, it's basically like a firework going off in someone's chest. You have to set up and have like an explosive expert on set doing it. Yeah. Or you can do like a cheap one.

There's like cheaper ones. With this much of a bloodbath, though, it's not like you could do that in CG. You kind of need the practical element. It adds so much to the tone of this. Yeah, you can't have like plug-in squib effects for this kind of movie. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think there are definitely films that have gotten really gory that have done CG.

Spiria, I want to say with CG. Yeah. Like CG to me at the end. Anyone? Yeah, there's parts. It has a crazy amount of blood. So, like, it happens now. And I'm like, I, you know, it is what it is, I guess.

That weird frame rate effect, I think, helped that in Susperia. All right. Do we have much more to say about this film? I think we covered most of it. Cover most of the bases, you know? Lots of great effects. Lots of cringe-worthy, in a good way, scenarios of gore. and violence, just uncomfortable situations.

But I love that kind of shit. What would you guys rate the movie? I would give it four out of five or eight out of ten. Nice. It's really funny. Yeah. And well done. I don't think it was a masterpiece or anything.

But it's funny. I think it's just trying to be a comedy. Yeah, I'm just a smidge under. I'll give it a seven out of ten, I reckon. but you're talking about the dub makes me want to check that out and I might find it funnier actually yeah really enjoyable I definitely recommend watching it if you like that kind of over the top silly gore stuff I I on letterbox I think I gave it a four out of five and then so then yeah it's like a eight eight at seven or an eight somewhere in that ballpark I guess something like

that very very very well done movie for what it's trying to be and very enjoyable. And I'm giving this one a seven out of ten. It was great. It was fun. Lots of fun. But yeah, definitely I'm going to watch it with the dub next time to see what that's like, because apparently it's hilarious.

Yeah, no, the dub is really funny. I've been playing Ghost of Shushima. The video game. Sushi Man. I'm like a few hours in, but I'm playing it with the Japanese dub with subtitles. So it was like, interesting like sort of the reverse of like watching something in like a foreign language with

the English subtitle or English dub versus watching something that's supposed to be in English with a foreign language dub. Yeah. Yeah, got played Gosa Sushima with like Kurosawa mode. Yeah, I'm not doing Kerasawa mode. Interesting. I didn't know there's a thing. That's all the way.

I love Kurosawa mode. Yeah, the idea it's like they want to homage Akira Kurosawa. Except it's like he had color movies too. So, I mean, it's like, it would have been really cool. I thought it would have been really cool if, like, there were two Akura Kurosawa filters. There was, like, a black and white one and then, like, a really cool color one where it's, like, very, like, technical color, like, very, like, because I just think of, like, DLC, they should have. Dreams. I haven't seen all of it, but I've seen, you know, a couple of them and, like.

Or, like, Ron, where, like, the colors very vibrant. Yeah. I'm very behind on Curisawa's filmography. I've only seen Seven Samurai all the way through. Yeah. But, like, I know enough. to know that like he's not just on black and white films so it's like but it in cool if like there was like a crazy color option too yeah it's a fun ass game question time questions okay so let's head over to the sardonicar subreddit to answer some questions

from the community let's start with this one then from ben dad killer who says if you could what celebrity would you take control of being john malcovich style for an entire day and why? This is so funny because I was just watching your JARCast thing where you answered the same question Oh really? Yeah, no, they did say it's a retrad of the question

from Jha, but yeah I have a new answer this time though Man and I'm pretty sure when I watched that I had like a good answer too but now it's like escaping my mind if somebody else wants to go first I feel like I'd just be thinking about the all the like well the other person the person that I'd be like inhabiting like what's going on with them like are they going to be okay or they

like all I'd be thinking about is like the logistics of this I'm not sure if I could even pick anyone yeah you know or just like the ethics I guess fuck the ethics this is hypothetical yeah you can't get one up on the ethics here so like all right so pretending where we are

John Keizak in being John Nagovic but we could choose whoever we get to control yeah okay I would go into David Lynch and then on upload to his YouTube video of him watching like Cats versus dogs on his mobile phone Nice

That's all I'd do The ultimate art piece Because it would just It would be like a commentary It's a genius Yeah no one would know the truth They'd just think he's messing Yeah perfect

If I was in someone else's body I think I'd just pick a girl I'd like to know what it's like Be a girl for a day Yeah I guess that's that's that way You can't really do that otherwise. I think I would take over the body of Doug Walker. Nice.

Just to see what his life is like. What if you don't want to leave? Yeah, I might not want to leave. I might want to stay. How much control do we actually have when we're inside the person's body? Full control. You could live with somebody else for a day, basically. Okay.

Yeah, I wouldn't do it. I just want to see what it's like. To be Doug Walker for a day. You'd have to try and act like him. It's like you're controlling. Oh, God. You have to impersonate him. I'll take over Anna Ferris's body or some shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll date Chris Pratt for a day. I think they got divorced. Yeah, they did. Well, then maybe I can just send him like really passive aggressive texts or something. I'll be Grimes for a day and I'll get the inside scoop on Elon Musk and then I'll report back and I'll be like, yeah, he's kind of a piece of shit in real life.

Yeah, like Kanye have been an interesting one. Oh, God. See what his life is. like. I'm not sure I could. That seems too stressful. Oh yeah. It would definitely be stressful.

Yeah, I don't know if I'd want to impersonate anyone like too, or not you know, going to the body of anyone like too like high up just because that just seems like the president of the United States. Oh, God. And then you can resign for him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Actually, yeah. I mean, yeah, just just, yeah, do that. Not to get morbid, but like, in terms of. the rules of this scenario if you're in the other person's conscious and they died do you just get work back to your conscious or your body or do you get back to

or you know I'm sorry you're your consciousness is in their body and they die what happens I guess that's up to you know so like yeah you're thinking way deeper than I am about this concept right now yeah I get grimes I guess I'd be grimes

for a day yeah okay if I randomly yell out a celebrity name it's because I've realized I want to actually be yeah yeah just just scream it as you can it's when it comes to you uh aifex head has one for us so gasper noe is irreversible is getting a worldwide re-release on august 26th this year with a major restoration of the original 16 millimeter print and fully remastered in 4k as well as an additional cut called straight cut when asked no way described the new cut as in many ways

stronger than the original since the new cut shows the film in correct chronological order re-edited and shuffled to make it flow from beginning to end you guys have expressed your disapproval of filmmakers tampering with their old films but what do you think of this particular concept can this additional and notably optional new cut add to the original themes of fatalism cosmicism time and morality or perhaps withdraw meaning removing the essence of what made irreversible great thoughts on this decision and since all of you seem to be fans of his work including Jared, will you be watching it? I feel like Pete Rosenberg or Rosenberg would love that.

Sorry, I was a reference to Troy Cotton, but I guess if you're going to reverse a movie, it's going to be irreversible. I mean, the biggest takeaway for me is the optional part. If you're not replacing the movie, then go for it. Have as many different versions as you want. No issues there. And I'll check it out, too, if apparently it's better. According to him, I don't know.

He's an experimental filmmaker. He takes a lot of risks. and does a lot of weird things. And this is like, I think one of those where he's just like, oh, I'm going to take a movie I made and like re-edit it like differently. So I do see it as more of like an artistic decision

than like, I don't know. I guess what George Lucas is doing is more of an artistic decision too. But it got to a point where he was like remastering every Blu-ray release. Like every release of Star Wars, he would add some type of choice. It was very silly.

Yeah. And it wasn't optional either. Right. He was like trying to rewrite history. I don't think that's what irreversible. is really doing with this. I think this is, I would like to see it, though. I would just like to see what they do with it.

The other cut will just be called reversible. It should be. Farrwards. So the credits will be at the end. Yeah, I guess so. The credits are at the very beginning. Yeah, man. I want to watch that movie again.

Well, it'll also be like, it'll actually be increasingly queasy this time instead of the opposite. Yeah. The first half, it's like. he intentionally has like a sound yeah without saying any of the story without anything yeah there's like a sound or something that he employs it's like the whatever the frequency or the pitch or whatever it's like brown note yeah something like but for like the oak for like the first half for like or like something like that where we're like i think the idea is that like he was trying to just like fuck with people in theaters i want to get them to leave as quickly as possible

He's a very challenging, like, director. That's what I love about him. Wouldn't want it any other way. Climax was a great experience. I got to see. I saw that. Literally in the front row of the theater. Oh, God.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, as long as it's optional, it's fine. I'll watch it. Sounds interesting. Yeah, that's the main thing. Yeah. Don't rewrite history.

No. Give me that fucking evil dead Blu-ray already, Sam Ramey. Give me the original fucking cut. cut of the evil dead on Blu-ray. Give me that in HD. I want it. Makes me mad. Yeah. See all the crew members in their full glory.

All right, next question. Thanos Thickman has one for us. Nice. You guys have discussed the superhero movie phenomenon a myriad of times in the past. Even though superhero fatigue has been brought up after many major releases, it seems that this train is showing no signs of stopping.

So, how soon do you think this trend will finally die down and what subgenre do you think might take its place? That's almost impossible to predict. Yeah. If I knew I would bank, like, I would be investing in those films. I bet like there's a bunch of people in Hollywood trying to figure out that same thing. Yeah. I don't know what the genre or whatever it would be that would replace it, but like, if the possibility of less of a genre, like, prevalence and more of like a wave of like, you know, a sort of filmmaking, like, style or, uh, or philosophy where, you know, where it's like we're getting more films by people who, who have things that they want to

actually say that are really important. That'd be nice, but that's not the most marketable thing. Yeah, I think so. Because then as soon as it becomes something that they think that they could market, then they're not going to, it's not like they can do that. It's, it's like oxymoronic in a way. It's like a big studio doesn't know how to make something personal. right it's not it defeats the point of personal

yeah you can't mass produce something like that I mean yeah I guess it's just I'm thinking about like the condition these studios will be in like as a result of this year yeah yeah

A2 4's got some attention they're like the only ones who make good movies oh yeah first half just watch that one actually oh yeah it was a great little great I guess I still got to see that one though. It's really nice. It's like a nice, just like a

nice, just like respite in terms of like, you know, what you would expect from like new releases nowadays. In terms of like the pacing and like the tone and stuff. This is like very, very, uh, uh, it's very slow. Yeah, it's, it's slow.

It's like lush though. It was like, well shot. Yeah. It looked really nice. And I, it had like just enough going on with it for me that like I was, I, I, you know, I, I, I, I enjoyed it. And I like the relationship between the two leads. So the next big genre is going to be a bunch of first cows.

Yeah, I'm not saying first cows. Yeah, we're not getting a bunch of first cows, unfortunately. Second cow, third cow. Yeah. Damn. Somebody called James Cameron. Get him to make fifth cow. Yeah, be underwater.

Underwater cow. Underwater cow. And there's a spinoff starring a bull. I don't see any particular. genre like overtaking superhero movies perhaps like no I can't even say I really couldn't superhero movies seem to have the whole market like locked down do you think they're gonna it's still gonna be that way like when people go back into theaters well here's the thing is like I've always known that the market would get so oversaturated that people would just lose interest but despite

people losing interest they're still watching the movies so like nobody is interested anymore but they're still watching is what's happening right now so it's like Like, how do you stop this trend when it's still making money? People are just seeing these out of obligation at this point. There's enough new people watching the films now. Like younger generations come up and watch the Marvel films and like them. They have their whole generation of superheroes. The films do really well worldwide now.

So it's just more people are exposed to it. I think people just really like superhero films. They're not going to go away anytime soon. It will not die willingly. Because the whole concept of just being, you know, special powers. unlike anyone else. Just like as a marketable concept, it's like the Bible. Yeah, it's very mythic, yeah.

Yeah. It's a tail and grain to everyone, right? And that's why kids just love acting it out. They love being the superhero. And if you're using pre-existing characters, everything's already written, so I'm going to make some tweaks here and there. Thor is like literally like a character like that. I guess what I meant by that comparison also just in terms of like how much it's stuck.

they're as popular as they are and it doesn't seem like they have any sign of like dying out oh you think it's like a there's like a cults aspect to it too i don't have any numbers in front of me in terms of like what people are watching this year like bad boys for life number one yeah that was very successful yeah i think so there's like no it's like i think i think doolittle is number two and that movie lost money it's a funny year do you think that like the year we figure are shit regarding COVID and movie theaters are back. Like, do you think it's going to be like the superhero fans are just going to immediately flock to the theaters?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, actually, the more I'm talking, I can see that happening. Yeah. Yeah. They want to see Black Widow. They probably would. Whatever's coming out.

There's like a constant stream of just superhero stuff. Like even if you turn on the TV, there's a bunch of superhero shows and on Netflix and on Disney Plus and there's the comics too. People are so ingrained in the world of it. that it's not going to go away. You don't think that there's any kind of fatigue coming soon. Yeah, it's like beyond like just the, it's not a film genre. It's like if you love superheroes, it is like you said, it's like a religion where like people have posters and they love the characters and they follow them and like it's crazy.

They dress in costumes. So yeah, I don't think that's going away anytime soon. If that's the case then I guess, yeah, we would hope that you just be getting more interesting superhero stories that are, you know, know, challenging the conventions of the ones that came before. That's what I hope for. I hope it evolves. Yeah. As far as the, like the superhero movies, the trend goes, I think it kind of dies when

the MCU dies. Because basically that's why it is the size it is, because they're all copying the MCU and trying to ride the coattails of it, basically. So when that eventually comes to an end, I have a feeling it's going to be a bit more loose with it. But as far as like a new trend to maybe take it over, if I think, about it just in pure like chasing the money and the valuable IP kind of trends just to grow and grow and grow. I don't know, we are kind of at the end of the superhero movie like original works.

We're already delving into like the Eternals and all these random characters no one like knows about. Yeah. Yeah. We're onto the Simmerlian or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So I'm not convinced people are going to be sold on that until the X-Men come in. then that would be like another 10 years. But as far as another like competitor,

I really have a bad feeling about video game movies. Hmm. Bad guy about it. You think those are not off? I was thinking that too. Like nobody likes them. No, but they make money though. This Sonic movie.

The uncharted movie, I don't know. All the ones aimed at children, I think are going to be the game change. Oh, yeah. Because Mario movie is going to be huge. Five Nights at Freddy's. Already huge. If they get that Minecraft movie out, that would be huge. Minecraft movie.

This last of us stuff. I think a Fortnite movie would do very well. Oh, God. Yeah, Fortnite movie. And then they can play Inception in the movie. It would be like a bunch of pop-polter references. Inception and inception. They take like the Lego movie template basically.

Yeah. The games industry is much bigger than the comic book industry. And it's way more valuable in terms of just recognizable IPs. And the just countless amount of kids there are to kind of milk for it. And like Sony can make those movies and they have a lot of characters like within that universe that could like cross over. Nathan Drake could meet, I don't know, Joel. whatever they want to do probably something better than that

we need a Halo infinite stand-alone movie with Craig that's it yeah I'd watch that then there will be spinoffs though I want to know who Craig is yeah I want to get into the mind of this character why is he so sad yeah I have a bad feeling yep

as long as there's still good like underground stuff being made I guess as like a film fan that's like kind of what I care about but like just yeah this growth I just this I don't know how you sustain it without just chasing the numbers behind it Yeah, I guess

They can just keep remaking movies too Which is what they usually do They just remake the same films again Yeah Just reboot Batman again Reboat Man Horror films

That sort of find the formula that works And then Dress it differently I guess Modernize it Yeah You can update it Make it animated

I don't know They did that like Scooby-Doo They made it live action Now it's CG animated again And just whatever Whatever people want It's fine. All right.

Do we want to do, I guess, one more question? Let's end on this one from Reddit's R-word 420. Spielberg chose not to accept any money for his work on Schindler's list and instead donated his salary. Do you think other directors that make movies about horrific events in history should do the same? Spielberg has a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, that's a good position.

Some directors can't afford to do that. I don't think it should be expected necessarily. No, not at all. He did it, but yeah, he was in a special scenario. He's fucking Steven Spielberg. I don't know. I don't even like, I'm not even like that against people monetizing their YouTube videos about like touchy subjects or like drama or apologizing.

There seems to be this weird thing where it's like, I've demonetized this video. So don't worry. But it's like you're still getting attention on your channel. And I don't know. Yeah. I don't really see the difference, really. Yeah, it's so weird. Yeah.

But I don't see anything wrong with making money, as long as the way you're doing it is ethical, as long as you're not being exploitative, I guess, which Schindler's list, I don't think, is an exploitative movie, really. Or even, like, what's Tarantino's? Inglorious bastards. That is, like, over the top. Yeah.

You know, it's going for a certain tone, but I don't think anyone would expect Tarantino to give his wages to some, like, charity or, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's like you're making a, I don't know, maybe about, like, another hot button topic. If you got Nazis in a movie, like, that's been done in every which way. There's like, there's, like, campy horror movies of, like, snow Nazis or something. I don't even remember.

Oh, God. You saw that one. I think it's literally called Dead Snow. Yeah, I never saw it. I just saw the cover or something. But yeah, I mean, like Perhaps if you're making A film about like a very recent event

Like nobody wants nobody wants to see like a George Floyd movie right now Like wait a bit You know it might be a little not tasteful Yeah United 93 came out like five years after 9-11 I was like pretty pretty soon after Did it do all did it? People liked it critically

Yeah people liked it a lot film. He's nominated for two Oscars. Yeah, I don't think directors should be expected to not make money off of a movie they direct. I think the more important aspect is how tastefully the film itself is, not whether or not there's a profit. Sure. Yeah.

Because, I mean, then just go a step further. Give away the whole movie for free. Then the studio shouldn't make money off of it either, right? If you're going to take that to its conclusion. You can apply that to any film, really. Like any film with a sensitive issue, you can go, well, you got to give your money to this charity that was like you know has to do with that issue and I don't know if every film needs that it's a show good faith but I don't think it's a show good faith yeah I don't think it should be

required yeah I feel like that's kind of just like up to you what do you want to do you know people donate to charity anyway I bet Spielberg's donated to charities aside from like donating that that amount to from the Schindler's list I'm sure he's donated since and before you know yeah yeah what if you what if you like say before the movies even at like I'm donating all the seeds of this film to X charity and then the movie just flops. It's like, well, you could have just donated money out of your own pocket or something. It probably would have done better. I don't know.

Yeah. All right. I guess that about does it for question time? Question time is done. There is a film recommendation for the next episode and I believe it is Ralph's turn. It's my turn. Oh, boy. Ralph's turn.

And I get to recommend a trilogy too. Because we're not going to have anything else to talk about next week, right? Yeah. And we got extra time, too. I don't know what you were predicting, but I'm going to recommend the trilogy from the 60s called the Dollars Trilogy. Oh, for those of you don't know. Oh, awesome. It's a fistful of dollars from 1964 for a few dollars more, 1965. And then I think the one most people know is the good, bad, and the ugly, which is 1966.

They're not really that connected, like, tonally or I guess totally they're connected. Not really a story, though. Yeah, the story is a great movie. You can watch all of them on their own, basically. They do stand on their own. So, yeah, we'll talk about that next time. Alternatively called the Man with No Name trilogy? Yeah, it has a few names.

Okay. All right. So if you don't want to be spoiled for the Man with No Name Trilogy or the Dollars Trilogy, voice crack trilogy, then make sure to watch it before the next episode of this podcast is out. which should be in my voice is dying what happened which should be in two weeks from this one airing publicly if you go to sardonicast.com and sign up for premium two dollars a month you can get these episodes early as they're edited also patreon.com slash sardonicast and also we got merch links in the descriptions thank you so much Jared for joining on the podcast uh that's a fun

discussion for for having me this was a this actually was a lot of fun I enjoyed this a lot of fun thank you for coming on do you have anything you want to plug uh I mean I'm on Twitter uh just I guess you can follow me what's your Twitter it's just real Jared Gilman not the fake one yeah not not the fake one they're actually like a few they're like if you look up my name on Twitter they're like there's like there's like a list of Jared Gilman's and I was a little surprised but I I just kind of post jokes or film stuff, pictures of my cat or videos of my cat. Nice. I don't know.

Hopefully I'll be in more things in the future. Yes. I look forward for seeing what you do with your career. Thank you. Likewise. Thank you. As a watcher of the podcast. Thank you.

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