Sardonicast - Sardonicast #67: A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

Episode Date: August 24, 2020

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Three, two, one. Why couldn't all the podcasts be nice like Sardana cast? Then they wouldn't have had to be exterminated. Hi, I'm Adam from your movie sex, and this is Sardonicast. And that was a quote from one of the best shows of all time. Kemp of the White Lion. Kamba, Simba? Hmm, suspicious. I'm Ralph the Movie Maker from Ralph the Movie Maker.

And I'm Alex from I. H.E. We sound excited today. Yeah, well. Yeah. I just get this vibe. Everyone's so defeated at the moment. Morale is low. This is why we need Sardonic us to lift everyone's spirits with some exciting news, you know?

Especially from, have you guys heard about this exciting release from Apple's YouTube channel? Yeah. You've heard about this. Ross the Boss 69 actually sent in a little message for us saying Apple released a short film directed by Damien Chazelle. demonstrating vertical cinema. Do you think there's a future for films shot in the 9 by 16 aspect ratio? Loll?

Have you guys seen that other one that Apple made where they got Spike Jones, I believe? Oh, Spike Jones had a vertical one? No, it wasn't vertical. It was like an Apple commercial. Spike Jones is no stranger to commercial. Yeah, I just love the personality and the, yeah, it was just so well done that one. And then this one, I don't know.

First of all, it was like 10 minutes long, right? And I watched maybe a minute of it before I wanted to show it off. Yeah, I didn't watch all the way through. It's delivering a very disgusting perspective is what it's doing. Because it's like 10 minutes long and the entire thing is basically, it seems like Apple went up to Damien Chazelle and was like, can you convince people that you can use an iPhone to make movies and that vertical cinema is like legitimate? And something that will be in the future. Like, I don't know. It's just the fact that the entire video seems to just be promoting like, hey, you should film vertically.

This is what professionals should be doing basically. I don't think Damien Chazel believes that. But basically the energy of the short is that. Like, that's what it feels like I'm being told by Apple. It's the exact opposite, though. Oh, yeah. It looks like shit. It's convinced me that it would be an awful idea to make a movie in this aspect ratio.

Oh yeah There is like a thing in your mind Where it's like this Like this might be well shot for like using a phone But like dude It's not really conveying anything beyond the kind of gimmick of it Yeah I was watching it on my laptop So it was just the black bars on the side

Maybe it's better if you just watch it on the phone It doesn't even fucking matter Like of course it's gonna look a little bit better Yeah I checked out of it pretty quick Our eyes There's two of them and they're side by side Not stacked on top of each other That's why widescreen works

Because we already have widescreen vision naturally. That's how human eyes work. They're not... Well, when they design movie theaters, they design the screen to, like, fill your entire field of vision, basically. Yeah. And it's just like this fucking narrow thing. Like, we've always done it the other way. You could have just turned the iPhone vertically or horizontally.

I mean, probably would have been better. To think that you've experienced a film on your fucking telephone. Get real. I love Davey and Chazel's films too. I think they're so great. That's why I'm like, you know, I'm kind of sad to say this, but it was like I so checked out of it like immediately. I'm like this kind of stinks.

I don't even think it was just like the vertical aspect ratio. It just seemed like something he didn't give a shit about. It really didn't, like it doesn't seem like there was any passion here. I didn't really understand what was going on. His name's on it. Yeah. I wonder if he knew that his name would be in the title. I wonder if when they asked him to do it if he knew.

knew that that would be the case because maybe you just thought like oh commercial was fucking vertical video whatever fuck it like just threw shit together and then they're like okay well we're putting your name in the title because I don't know he's like a well known enough name that this got some views from that alone

that's why it has 30 million views you know yeah this this type of marketing has existed for a while especially with the iPhone you see all those bus ads where it's like shot on an iPhone for like pictures or whatever it's like yeah it doesn't it's not a

replacement for like good camera gear if that's what you're trying to imply Apple it's not like oh shit I'm deciding between like a GH5 or something and an iPhone this will suffice lenses are important

but iPhones can shoot landscape you can put it on its side and shoot like properly like fucking tangerines Really solved the problem. Was it a movie made on the iPhone 4S or something? Yeah, I think it was around then. What's this fuck?

Sean Baker. That's the name. Yeah, that's a good movie. Perfectly. Yeah, really funny, entertaining. Yeah. And it's shot horizontally. Yeah, exactly.

It didn't need to be shot vertically just because it's on an iPhone. So it's so weird that they're kind of like trying to persuade people that this is something good that they should be doing. That's weird to me. It's just that apple ego. They're trying to start a movement. You know? Oh, yeah. I'm going to make movies on my vertically because it's so new and trendy and different and out there.

What's that fucking... The rules. That new streaming service that's everything's vertical and nothing is longer than 10 minutes or some shit, started by like Jeffrey Katzenberg and somebody. And it's a massive failure to be or something? No, that's a real... Yeah, yeah, I think it's something like that. Quibi. That's the one.

Yeah. So they, of all people, they had like Steven Spielberg make a fucking Quibi show, the guy who was like railing so hard against Netflix. Oh, it's so funny. It seems like a disaster. Like nobody is interested. Partially because like you can't even output to a TV if you wanted to. Like it completely disables like any kind of screencast, screen share or whatever or like HDMI. You can only watch it on your phone.

I think. So nobody can like share any of it or talk about any of it really. Like if you wanted to review a show, you can't really use clips. I'm sure somebody's figured away around it. I'm positive that there's probably torrents of something, right? But somebody always figures

away. But to make it so that the general public can't really do it, it's just like you're shooting yourself with the foot. Just like, let's have a service that has less features than every other service. And we're going to start competing now.

This is, this will go well. Yeah, I feel like I get emails every other week from people being like, hi, I'm just letting you know, I'm starting a new YouTube and.

Oh, yeah. I want to be a part of it. Good luck. What are you doing? Good luck, yeah. Yeah, I think they've also, on Quibi,

they've added like, other pre-existing shows and films that just like, okay, well, I thought the whole point was that you're supposed to watch content that's like exclusive to Quibi because it's like so cool that you can watch them in

little tiny chunks for the millennial zoomer generation that doesn't have an attention span. And apparently they also have this weird thing where it's like even though there's content shot in widescreen you can just like flip your phone and all of a sudden it's like, whoa, I'm

watching this vertically and there's no like it's not like the black bars or whatever so like fills the whole screen and they apparently have it Taylor edited so that You know if there's action on the screen you'll still be seeing it you know it won't be Completely randomly generated or something but yep never installing that bullshit

Can you imagine like Apple execs Designing a cinema a vertical oh god Yeah there was a shitty meme It's just like a massive iPhone inside a room that everyone crowds around Yeah it sounds like the worst thing ever Yeah I'm just imagining like a boomer meme in my head right now whether it really exists in real life or not, although I'm sure it does.

Rest in peace, David Lynch. Yeah, he's not going to be happy when he finds out of this. His YouTube channel's going to just blow up. Damien Chazelle, it wasn't good. It was kind of shit. I wish I'd watched more of it because I don't have much to say, but it sounds like it wasn't worth seeing the whole thing. It's not like a single narrative.

It's literally like a clip show trying to emulate different genres. So you've got this like old-timey black and white. And then near the beginning they have that thing where it's like you can see the film celluloid sort of the film reel thing. It's like, well, why even show that? Like the, it's just going to be vertical anyway. They've got this Western thing going on. They've got this like, at least cowboys are in there. Dance thing, this gangster thing.

It's really trying to show off the versatility of vertical filmmaking of which there is none. And so it's just like it's trying. hard and the idea behind it is just garbage. It's reinventing the wheel when we don't need to do that. I like watching things in 16 by 9 or letterbox is fine. If somebody wants to make a vertical video film and there's a purpose to it, fucking great. Oh yeah. Do it.

Do it. Prove me wrong. I want to see it. It'd be fucking awesome. When I heard about this, it was like, Damien Chazel made a vertical video short film. I was like, oh, cool. And I assumed like, I don't know, that it would just be. some sort of experimental thing like you know mommy was in one by one aspect ratio that was really

awesome i assumed it was something that damien chiselle wrote and made for a purpose not for an ad and then alex you send me this video and i click on it and all of a sudden it's like oh apple youtube channel and i immediately just got so upset and then it was exactly what i didn't want it to be wow it's just a fucking ad for apple great vertical cinema this is a real short film guys. Like when these arrogant, like people and companies tried to sell a new way to watch movies, you're going to watch it in 3D now, you're going to watch it vertically now. And does it ever take off really?

Yeah. I don't know how much of it is just like empty words, you know, where it's like, are they really trying to make this happen? Or are they just looking for attention? It's just marketing. Even making people angry. Yeah, we're talking about it, I guess. And talking about it. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it's interesting. I wanted it to be shorter and just be more entertaining. I don't know what it was going for, really. Have, like, any kind of narrative and not just be, like, a clip show of different genres without doing anything interesting in either of them. Just, like, remember this genre? That's pretty much all it is. Like, the entire fucking thing.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's kind of what he always does. It's like la la land. It's like... Except there's something substantive behind it when he makes, like, real... movies. But then people criticize La La Land because it's like, oh, it's just rip it off old Hollywood movies. I'm like, no, there's something more there. And then he makes something like this

where it's no substance to it. It makes like those people seem right. It's like, God damn it. I'm not putting this in his chronology. I'm not putting this in his like repertoire. This is a fucking ad. This is not a movie. This is not even a short film. It's an ad. I love all of Spike Jones ads. I like Spike Jones's music video for Kanye West, which is him and his daughter, like on his iPhone. Like that was so much better than this. Oh, of course. It was infinitely better. And it was just him and his daughter are on an iPhone.

Some directors create ads and they make a film out of it. Other directors create ads that are ads. Yeah, they just make an ad. This is a fucking ad. I don't care if it's 10 minutes. It's a 10 minute long ad. It's a 10 minute long ad. Of course, you got a paycheck, yeah.

So lame. So stupid. It is incredibly lame. Mega Corpse trying to revolutionize art. Yeah. Come on, guys, just stay it the other way now. They're going to dictate your future cinema. Your tech company and make phones.

Oh, man. Shut up. Apple just invest billions of dollars into a vertical video service. See how well that works. Just fucking do it. Yeah, invest like a sizable amount of money into like the first ever feature length vertical film. If they wanted to do that for an ad, that would be cool.

Because then there would be like applied or something. Yeah. And Apple. cinema with that screen. And then it's like a monolith-shaped screen. Oh, yeah. That would have been great. All right.

I guess that's all we have to say about it. And I'm giving this one, a one out of ten. I believe the title is called shot on iPhone by Damien Chazelle. Is that really your name? I mean, that's the title of the video. I don't know if it's supposed to be something else. Yep. Yeah, I'd give it two.

I'm not going to rate it. I haven't seen the whole thing. Yeah. I honestly haven't thought about rating much. It just is what it is. Yep. Whiplash is great. You should watch that.

Yeah. If you haven't seen it. I wonder how many people haven't seen whiplash at this point. I'm sure there's a bunch. I'm sure there's a bunch, yeah. In case you haven't. Yeah. Get on it.

If you have a choice between this, I mean, it's just like an extra hour and 10 minutes probably. And then it's a much better experience. Yeah. They filmed it. horizontally. It was really groundbreaking for the time. There's three other movies I wanted to talk about that are filmed

horizontally. What? If you wanted to get into those. What are those? It's a series of spaghetti westerns that came out. What is it? The Man The Man with No Name trilogy? Yes. The Dollar's trilogy.

I like the sound of the Man with No Name Trilogy better. I don't know which one is more common. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, I guess the dollars is because two of them have dollars in the title. There's money. They're all about stealing money. Yeah. And all of them, they're trying to steal money.

Yeah, it's a big theme of all of them. Greed. Spoilers? Yeah, spoiler discussion. Uh-huh. I'm not going to say like the plot for all three of these, like right off the bat, because it's basically just Clint Eastwood is a badass and he's a cowboy in the West and he goes in a series of little adventures.

It's kind of like Mad Max. I think Mad Max was kind of inspired by this That's a good comparison. Yeah. Like as character just kind of goes on a little adventure. He has a different name in each one too. He's like blondie and good, bad and the ugly. Yeah.

I think it's a different character. The same outfit is my understanding. I think it's supposed to be the same character that you just give him different names. But there's like other cast members, yeah? There's other cast members who play different characters 100%. Like there's an old guy who's in all three. He's also like the railroad.

ticket holder in Once Upon a Time in the West like at the very beginning So he's in like a bunch of his movies It's the guy There's also the villain He's like in all three of the movies At the end he plays like

He's like the Civil War sergeant Like in Good Bad and the Ugly So yeah there's like a lot of reoccurring people It is a little confusing But Yeah they are They are saying You're not the same character

I think Clint Eastwood is the same guy No I was watching the special features They said that despite how the film was marketed, how the films were marketed, they are three different characters. That's the, I mean, like, that was just for watching. He plays them exactly the same at all three. That's the, that's the, I guess that's the great part, because Clint Eastwood was flown to Italy, basically, to make these, right? And he just shot all three. And I guess he just didn't give a fuck.

He just played the same guy. He's like a stoic, like, badass guy. And he doesn't have to do much. He doesn't really promote much. But it works for the character. Cornetto trilogy You know It's like they're not the same characters

I mean they're fleshed out more in those ones But they're basically you know They're basically doing the same thing three times in ways Yeah But I think Simon Pegg's character in each one is very different For Sean and then like in the world's end It's very different character Here he's like

It's probably because Clint Eastwood didn't give a shit honestly He's probably I'm not playing the same character was it I'm just gonna I'm in a Western I'm gonna be the same fucking guy But it works The coolest guy in each one and he plays it the same and has the same costume, so you can't really blame anyone for considering it the same character all the way through.

It kind of adds it a little bit just to imagine that it is, because there isn't really anything that conflicts with the character. He's not that wildly different. Like you said, with the other actors being kind of changed around and being good guys in one movie and a bad guy and another, he's very consistent, consistently Clint. But I was reading about how there was a bit of a feud between Clint and Sergio Leon after they finished work on the trilogy. He was describing his acting ability, Sergio was, as not his favorite.

I wasn't impressed by it. He was kind of upset about it after the fact. After the whole trilogy's out? Yeah, because he wanted him to be the harmonica player in, what's it called, Rawe? Once upon a time in the West. Yeah, once upon a time. But he turned it down. And yeah, he got like real special treatment for the trilogy

in terms of like getting 10% of US box office. Oh, wow. Yeah, he got paid a lot. Yeah. Toward the end, he wanted a bigger role in like good, bad and the ugly. Because, you know, it was mostly like a character ensemble, that one. He wasn't as big in that. And I guess he started asking for more money.

Otherwise, he wouldn't do it. And then after the whole making the trilogy, Cleeneas Wood went off and made his own movies. And he started directing. his own movies and he had a production company. I guess that's why he didn't want to do, like, make movies with Sergio Leone anymore. Yeah. Yeah.

So, Sergio Leone only spoke Italian and he spoke English. So, like, they couldn't even talk to each other. I think they used, like, a translator. So I can imagine their relationship was like a disaster. Yeah. Yeah, that is a huge challenge. Yeah, you don't really see it. I guess right now we're just talking about the trilogy as a whole.

Sure. We're not talking about a specific one. another big part of it is Anya Maraconi score passed away recently that's what made me want to revisit them but yeah I figured it's one of the best parts of the trilogy

would not be the same without the music yeah it does 50% of the work it's amazing really expressive because it is so visual as you're saying about with their director not being able to speak English it is specifically mentioned

and when I was like reading about the movies that he does focus on the visual side. So leaning into the visuals and having the music is a lot of what the stories are in this trilogy. There's a lot of like long sequences where there's no dialogue. It's all about just the way things are blocked and shown on screen. And I think it's really effective for this type of story because I don't know about you guys, but I think the trilogy just gets significantly better with each entry. First one's pretty solid. It's okay. It's like quite, It's very simple.

It's the way I described the first movie. It's just like a really simple kind of adventure serial with the mystery main character, kind of working his way into this conflict. And then with each entry after that, it gets more and more complex and there's more reveals. And it just feels like he masters what he's going for with this type of story.

I'm just impressed that they were able to build a time machine and steal songs from Kill Bill. You guys recognize a few of those, right? directors. There's like three of them at least. Tarantino loves using Marconi music. Yeah. Basically, in all this movies, he uses it. A nice soundtrack.

Amazing music. Yeah. It adds so much. It's funny when I hear it. I remember Tarantino using it. Yeah. I mean, at least he used them in interesting ways that were like appropriate. It is still weird to me. Just taking a song that already exists in another film's soundtrack especially. That's still kind of weird.

Especially when it's such a well-known film, but yeah, I guess if you can license it It's good music It's a really good music, so Fuck it It's his style anyway, yeah, exactly Like if he wasn't doing that he's still doing that to like a bunch of different shots and visual elements anyway Right, all of his westerns are inspired by these and once upon time in the West and yeah Clearly are

speaking of stealing too, a fistful of dollars, let's hone in a down a little more. A lot of comparisons to Yojimbo, apparently, which is a film I saw a long time ago, so I don't really remember. But did you guys look into that? Yeah. Yeah, I did. It seems to just be kind of unanimously decided that it is just kind of a copy. Luckily, it's not the whole trilogy. It's a Western, like, translation of it, like how Hidden Fortress is like Star Wars and what's the other one?

Magnificent Seven, Seven Samurai. It's like that where, you know, they take the same story. Basically, just copy it. But it's Cowboys this time. It's the Western version of Samurai. Yeah. They actually, there was a lawsuit. And Toho wound up getting the distribution rights for the film,

for a fistful of dollars, to distribute in Japan in the Middle East, in the settlement. So, yeah, there seemed to be like a good enough amount of legitimacy to the case being made. It seemed as though, you know, I still haven't seen Yo Gimbo. I need to see some more Karasawa films. But, yeah, they even advertised the film through a poster as the return of Yo Gimbo in Japan. So they kind of like used that. to market it, which is kind of interesting. I've still only seen Seven Samurai, but I'll get to it eventually.

Do you think, so do you think it kind of leads to this being the weakest of the trilogy? Based on that? I would have to see you again about before. Like, just not like as a main reason to dismiss the film, but as one of the reasons why it's not as, it's not on the same level as the films that follow it. Well, um, I might actually feel a little bit different. than you about this. Okay.

Okay. I will say that I enjoyed this film and we'll, you know, as we, as we tackle the next two films, I'll keep you in suspense and let you know how I feel about those two. Okay. I will definitely recommend Yo Jumbo one day. Yeah, for sure. So we can talk about that. Yeah.

Yo Jimbo! What? Yeah. I wish I could compare it more Yeah Whatever It would be I mean like I was so tempted to watch it

After Realizing that But didn't have the time It's already like three Three movies for this episode So Yeah and they're quite long There's the extended cut of

Good Bad and the Ugly I don't think I watched that one Which I didn't know about So I think I watched that one I think I watched the extended one Okay I think that one's three and a half hours I watched the one that was three hours

Yeah, I watched the theatrical because I heard that that one was better. Okay. My Blu-ray trilogy just automatically had the extended, though. So I had to get another one for the theatrical. Yeah, I bought it off iTunes and in the credits I noticed it said, that's the extended one. So. Yeah, apparently there is no digital, like, download version of the theatrical one legally. Oh, really?

Yeah. apparently the theatrical ones the better cut is what I heard yeah I think even fans kind of prefer the theatrical over this extended one which is interesting because a lot of the time extended

or like the cuts that come out after heralded a bit more yeah but I don't know sometimes they just do that even though it doesn't need it so like on the handmaiden they have the extended cut but it's not really the director's cut

like the director the director likes the theatrical cut more and the extended cut kind of ruins the flow of the movie and presents things in the wrong order, you know, so there's a few examples like that. It's really weird. It's like, oh, we have this extra footage. Can't possibly have been cut from the film for any reason. Yeah, yeah. Let's just market this. It's a new movie now. Unrated. Snyder cut. I think that the silent protagonist's dynamic works really well with the rest of the town being so cartoonish and over the top. Like every other character he interacts with is so out there that the contrast alone allows it to work a lot better than if it was just like a lot of silent people.

If every character was acting that way, I think it would just not work really well at all. Yeah. I agree with that. That's why I also think this is my least favorite one of the trilogy because I like his dynamic with his kind of partner in the second one and then with Tuko in the third one. So this doesn't really have that. He's just kind of interacting with the town. And yeah, the the Jojimbo kind of rip off elements. But also, we wouldn't have the second and third film without this one. So even though it is a complete clonal jojimbo, it's this exact way the film was

made that kind of spawns these other two that are so great. And I think those are very original. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it does a good job of establishing the kind of the tone and the character because there is a nice consistency over the trilogy because honestly one of the main characters to me is just the location of these movies these wide sweeping shots of the of the cliffs and the desert yeah

it's supposed to be the American West yeah yeah but it just has this sense of scale it's like epic sense of scale that really adds to the stories and it's all practical real stunts real sets yeah yeah the horse stunts are cool Yeah, it's awesome, all that stuff. Real explosions and shit. Costumes.

Costumes are fucking awesome. Hundreds of people. And of course, as the series goes along, it gets more epic. They're blowing up bridges. Whatever. Oh, yeah. By the time it gets to the third movie, it's just, um. Yeah, it's awesome.

It's, it's like James Bond if he wasn't a fuck boy. Pretty much. Yeah. They actually had wrestled with ideas of like, will he just fuck random women? and then they just decided, nah, it's not good for the character. Yeah, I'm glad they didn't. He just cares about money. He just wants some money.

That's it. But he's also got a bit of a, like, code, you know? Like, he still wants to save the innocence and stuff, but he doesn't want to, like, fuck them instantly. Yeah, everyone's kind of a morally gray character at these, even him. But he's a nice guy at the end of that. He's the good. Yeah, he's like the symbol of, like, freedom, you know,

and hope for that town. Yeah, it's a very, very simple and well-defined setup. I like that about the movie for sure. It's like, it's really basic, but it's all it really needs to be. It doesn't need to be, like, way too complex. Yeah. It's very small scale. Yeah, very small scale and straightforward.

I don't know if you're aware of this. I watched a lot of special features for the first one, not so much the other two, just for time reasons, basically. but they had a really, really, really lame additional prologue that another director filmed for the television version. So they aired it on network television like 10 years after the theatrical release or whatever. And one of the changes they had to make for the film was like, okay, well, so there's a lot of people just getting violently killed. We need to add a bit more justification for that. So they have this like six eight minute scene or whatever that they they just stapled on to the beginning of the film and it's so clearly not Clint Eastwood and he's like so much shorter and his ponchos like hanging on the ground but you never see his face and everything's just shot from the back and it's in this completely different setting. He's like basically in a prison and he's there at this like office desk and the warden of the prison is like I've got one job for you and you're.

If you don't want to stay in prison for the rest of your life, you've got to take this job. They've taken over the town and the townspeople are taken hostage and you've got to go in there and clean things up just to like give this weird justification for why there's all this senseless killing going on, not just because he like wants money or, you know, all that shit. And it was so cheesy and so bad. And like there's a couple parts where they do like a close shot of Clint Eastwood and it's so zoomed in and you can tell it's outside. lighting so they took the face from other shots of the movie and even though it's indoors you can tell you could basically see like the sun like casting the shadows on his his face and it's just it's so sloppy and so bad but yeah that was a you could watch that on the special features of the trilogy Blu-ray it was amazing that that was in there just some random director and some random actor

pretending to be a part of the movie so bad yeah that's embarrassing how do we feel um a This full of dollars has aged then, because I was quite impressed. Of course, the main point is this dubbing thing, which I'm sure we'll talk about in a moment. But I thought overall, stylistically, it was very strong. Sure that it looks like a film from 64, but that doesn't inherently mean it looks bad. I think it looks pretty stunning. I think that all three of the films are shot very well. And again, I think they do improve in that regard with each one as they go along.

Yeah, I don't think it aged really terribly, honestly. because there's not, I mean, even though there are parts that do seem a little goofy in this film, for sure. It's very charming, though. Yeah, it's charming. It doesn't really destroy the movie. They're not, it's not like a constant thing where it's like, oh, man, this is, this is lame or sloppy. It doesn't feel sloppy. It just feels like in some ways, like it's the ultimate dad movie sort of thing where it's like, ha-ha, I'm going to show up and

shoot all of you within like a quarter of a second and you're all going to die and I'm like the best shooter in the world nothing can nothing can touch me sort of thing like that's that's a music yeah it's just like a hero and the fun is just him yeah yeah it's like a fantasy movie basically yeah and the music adds so much that like I don't know without it I feel like it probably would have felt more aged but that music is so so well composed and so timeless that it's just like you can't you can't really be bored by the actual gun battles the gun duels themselves are great and they're iconic but the editing and the music of them they've been perished and they've been just imitated and yeah that's probably the best parts

of these movies the gun duels at the very end it's such a clever way to like elongate such a simple thing and make it like an emotional kind of high point without any dialogue it's all about the visuals, as I was saying. Yeah, they're definitely the best moments. Lots of face shots. And the good, bad and ugly. Yeah, close-up face shots. The framing's a little above their chin sometimes.

Yeah. Very weird framing. His whole plan at the end was so fucking cocky. If they just shot him in the fucking head, he'd be dead. Whatever. Yeah, I mean, like, the only other parts of the movie that feel a bit aged would be like, I don't know, all fake blood looked really. bad in this generation.

Looks like ketchup or paint. It doesn't look that great. Oh, right. Yeah. That kind of thing doesn't bug me too much unless it's going for like a really serious tone where I have to buy that this is all real life where this is so goofy with the big barrel like crashing down and killing people and throwing machetes and stuff like that. It's just, you know, it's going for a certain kind of action tone.

It's not really going for realism. Yeah. I enjoy the campy Western tone of it with the music and everything. and everything. The music helps add that tone to it too. It helps add that context to it more. I feel like without it, it would just be like, it just probably, it would suck.

Yeah. It wouldn't be nearly as good without the music. No. It holds things together. Yeah, I really liked the intros in the three movies. The kind of title sequences, the one in a fistful of dollars really made me think of the art direction from the Red Dead games with that harsh red, black and white kind of color scheme, which made me

think, oh, this must be where they're inspired. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I really like that aspect of it, kind of taking my knowledge from the more modern westerns, you know, your true grits and you have jangos and just going back to where it all began type of stuff. It redefined the genre, apparently. People were sick of westerns after a certain point. And they're like, fuck it.

Yeah, now we got spaghetti. These are considered like the core spaghetti westerns, aren't they? Why do they call it Spaghetti Western? Like I understand the difference. It's like more violent and... Just because it's the Italian-ass thing. I think they were shot in Spain. Maybe Italy too.

Yeah, maybe Italy too. Once they got to like once upon a time in the West, they shot some of it in America. Like there's a part where she's like going through the Nevada canyons and it's very clearly like you can't get that anywhere else except like Nevada or Arizona. But here it's just like the desert. So they shot it in Spain or Italy or whatever, wherever the fuck. And they got a bunch of.

Italian people to do it. And everyone spoke Spanish or Italian or English. And no one could fucking talk to each other. And they just dubbed it all later. And it's hysterical. So it comes together the way it does, knowing that information, you know. So I briefly mentioned the dubbing thing. Of course, there are a fair few characters who have like really bad dubbing because they just

can't speak English obviously. And is that something that bothers you guys? They didn't really get to me at all, to be honest. I had the subtitles on and after a while you just kind of get used to it. Well, it would bother me if I didn't know what it was. Yeah, yeah, I had to, yeah. I didn't know before going in about that because I read, so I was kind of prepared, but I'm not sure how I'd feel if I didn't know that.

I don't know. I feel like there's so many films from that generation that are dubbed. I'm not really bothered by it at all. The only dubbing that I was really bothered by in the film was the, uh, pretend to be a child, but is actually an adult woman character dub that one i noticed that because i thought the kid was actually giving a pretty good visual performance he hooked you and he was really upset when the voice was like yeah it's pretty bad 50 year old mama yeah that was the only part that was like shitty otherwise like i don't really care if the voice sound doesn't sync up with their lips if the whole film

kind of feels that way anyway it's like it's it's pretty consistent. If it was like, you know, I've criticized movies where it's like, okay, there's one line that was clearly dubbed and it's very obvious. But in a film where, you know, it's so consistent throughout, it's just a part of the style for me. I don't really, I'm not bothered by it in the slightest. And again, I think it gets less and less noticeable as the films go on. I think by the time you get to a good, bad and ugly, it's in the extended version, there are, there are some pretty bad scenes, actually but I think in the normal one it's pretty solid. Have you ever heard

the song Frontier Psychiatrist by the Avalanches? I haven't no. Oh I know the avalanches but I don't know that one off top of my head. Good song. I definitely I'm pretty fucking sure that they sampled some of the horse noises from this film. That track sampled so many different things that like you can't even hear the original

anymore legally. They had to change so much of it because of copyright issues because they sampled so much shit. But I think the original versions on YouTube. There's a cool, cool music video for it. As far as a fistful of dollars is concerned, I don't have that much more

to say about it compared to the others, because again, it is so simple and I do like it a lot. It's not when I'm going to revisit time and time again, but I do like that I've watched it and I do enjoy the experience from it despite its overall simplicity. It's a classic.

Super entertaining. Yeah, and given how, like, cheap it was made for and the resources they had and you know made in Italy they actually did a really good job and like the criticisms minor like some shots minorly out of focus some shots you know the bad dubbing

but that doesn't take me out of it at all because I know what it takes to like do something like this in 19 was 1964 yeah yeah so yeah it's pretty impressive shit how long ago that actually was yeah pretty cool

like they they filmed all this stuff, they probably couldn't even monitor what they were filming. They had to wait to process the negatives and then I don't know what they were using. But like the health and safety standards would probably quite different too. Oh yeah. People are doing really

dangerous shit in these movies. Yeah, it makes it exciting, but God. I think the Eli Wallach almost died fucking like three times making good, bad and the ugly. Yeah. But, you know, they love their art. That's what they did it for.

You got to respect it. they saw a tree in someone's yard that was like kind of old and kind of dying-ish and they were like oh that would be perfect for the you know to hang the news on so they they disguised themselves and illegally uprooted the tree and the guy came out of his house and was like what are you doing and they're like no we're the we're the highway patrol and this tree is dangerous and could fall into the highway so we're removing it from the government doing this and he was like okay and then they just took the tree and uprooted it and used it in the movie. That's awesome. I really like stuff like that. Yeah. That's good filmmaking. I love just like trying to find any means necessary to get your art done.

Yeah. Even if some questionable morals in there. But it's always a good story, especially for a successful movie that actually works. Always sucks when it's like a shit movie. It's like, oh, you did this for a shit movie. Like someone gets injured on set like permanently. It's like wow for this movie fuck. Yeah, Brett my back for the worst film ever. Jared Leto sent his cast members a pig dead pig or whatever. He's such a prankster

He's like the real joker. He sent worse as well too didn't he? The real joker is a pranker for that movie. The ads will be subject to that Yeah, sent up dead pig. That was just 100% marketing. It's like Jared Leto had to like up himself. What is that ad at all? anything. It's a fucking clickbait story is what it adds to market the movie. Because like the other performance, he has to one up Heath Ledger who's like died being the joker.

He's like, well, I'm going to be crazy all the time even when I'm not filming also. I'm going to send Margo Robbie a pranker. And she was probably okay. Yeah. Probably like zero reaction. Yeah. Anyway, I give a fistful of dollars seven out of time. I'm right with you rough.

I give it a 7 out of 10 too. Crazy. I give this movie a 7 out of 10. Whoa. Damn, boys. I was expecting that. Okay. Yeah.

It's like, I might be leaning toward an 8 because of my nostalgia, but I think 7 is probably closer to like a more objective, I guess, score. Anyway, the next one, what is it, a few dollars more? Four. It's also a few dollars more. Five. And yes, it's Clint Eastwood being a. badass again. He goes to a town and he meets Lee Van Cleef, who's like another kind of bounty hunter

gunslinger. And they shoot a bunch of people and it's awesome. When we think of this one, I love this one. Yeah, I like this one. Just enough kind of twist and turns and elements that the first movie was kind of lacking for me. They develop the villain a bit more. They tie the motivation between this new bounty hunter character and the villain together quite nicely in a reveal I didn't fully expect. It's just a lot of fun actions. And I think like I love Good Bad and the Ugly, but I think that movie is more about the Civil War than it is like a classic Western. I think this one is the best Western all around.

Like everything you'd want out of a Western. Even the scene where they're like having the gun slinging match with their hats and they're like shooting each other's hats off in the air. Like that scene is fucking hysterical and. And there's not a word of dialogue and it's no music or anything. It's great. It's very So many so many so many yes, but it's so many great fully realized scenes in it that are just maximum Entertainment. So this one was my least favorite out of the three. No way. Okay. Okay. Okay, let's get into what about what about this one then was weaker for you? I just like yeah, there are some changes for

sure, you know, different character dynamics to a degree. They did flesh out the villain more. And I was pretty into it for the first, however long, couldn't even tell you. And then just like, I just wasn't as invested. I don't think, you know, the music was still great. It wasn't as iconic of music as the first or third film. Like the themes in both of those are so incredibly iconic that even in the third film, they wound up reusing, at the end, the theme from the first film, I believe. That's what I remember hearing anyway.

The comical aspects of this movie, personally, I didn't feel as though they meshed as well as in the third movie. I feel like they complimented the tone so much better in the third movie, whereas in the second movie, it was like almost kind of conflicting. So when we do get to the point where they're shooting, each other's hats. And it's hysterical. It's hilarious.

But it feels like almost out of place in this movie where I feel like the tone was just so much better and consistent and fleshed out in like the third and the first. This one's kind of like this midway point where it just, it almost feels like it's arguing with itself in a way. That's my experience anyway. And I just like, I wasn't as invested in the story really. I like the goofiness. I love goofy shit.

Yeah, I like the goofiness. But I see your point because that hat scene is in the same movie where there's like a rape suicide. Yeah, I can understand where you're coming from. It feels conflicting in ways. And then in other ways, it's like, so the third film, obviously, you said it's more about the Civil War. It's going for something completely different. This film feels like it's almost just trying to like, okay, let's just do the first movie again, kind of. And yeah, there are differences.

But like when you see things like the ending climax, scene, right? Where I'm just Unfortunately, I can only compare it to the first one where the first idea, the setup for it, although sure, cheesy, and like I said, he's so cocky. He could have just got shut in the head,

that doesn't make sense. But I felt like the tension and the overall feel, like the emotional impact of the climactic scene in the first film, was just so much better realized. And this one just almost felt like it was just trying to like capture that same energy, but it really didn't for me. just like Clint gives the other guy

I'm on the inverse for that one because of the that reveal of the bounty hunter revealing that it's his sister and it's like a revenge tale actually added another layer that the first movie didn't have for me and yeah I just I wasn't when that was revealed I didn't really care

I just wasn't into it were you not into the new guy um I mean I the I thought that he was great in the third movie but I just wasn't into the character that much in the second I liked that he was there I did think it added like an interesting

fresh dynamic but after a while it just felt a bit stale for me just felt like kind of stagnant it was the dynamic that kept me going throughout the whole thing I just always like the kind of older wiser character being paired with the younger more cocky more brash one this just always works for me I thought Lee van Cleef and that together were great. It reminded me at Indiana Jones and his dad.

Yeah. Yeah. The, um, so, so, like, there's various aspects of all three of these films that have been, that have showed up in pop culture and been parodied to death. Yeah. And in the first and third film, what I'm seeing is more, like, specific, like, okay, people have parodied these exact scenes and these exact sort of shots. Whereas, like, in this one, what I found to be parody level,

wasn't necessarily like something specific. It was just, it was just like, wow, the way this scene is cut together is just comical. In ways that I, it was confusing whether or not the film was in on the joke. Like when they do the, uh, the, the bounty poster, like, I love that cut from laughing to the laughing bounty poster thing. But then sometime right after that, the, uh, the faces and the gunshot sound effects with each cut where it's like, phew, phew, phew, phew, phew, phew, pf, it was like, it was so cheesy

I couldn't like there's definitely a comical aspect to it I just like it was it felt conflicting with so much of the rest of the film's tone you know it was so over the top it's something that that felt like it would

it would be perfectly appropriate with no changes made in like the new outlaw Johnny Black film that's coming out at some point that like black dynamite western parody like you could change nothing about it and then all of a sudden it's like a mockery of it.

Yeah, I don't know, man. I think what Ralph said kind of explains it best for me where this is the one that just feels like the Western you'd expect. And that was just a valuable thing to me. I didn't fully get it from the first movie

because it didn't have as much kind of going on and the depth of the characters. Yeah. Which is like the most simple form. I like, it kind of elaborated on everything I liked in the first one. Yeah, I loved the simplicity of the first one. I thought the simplicity was like a really good thing.

I like each one on their own. I think they all work. Yeah, I'm not calling this a bad movie or anything. Oh, no, no, not at all. Even good, bad, and the ugly ends was just a gun draw, kind of similar to the, it's definitely the most elaborate and longest of all three. And even the once a pot time in the West and all of his westerns end, like, the same way. I found that like so much of my notes for this are just like parts that kind of irritated me.

Not to say that there wasn't anything substantive in it, but just the parts that stuck out enough for me to actually jot a note down. Yeah, I just thought it was very enjoyable, goofy Western. Yeah, it's just so much fun from beginning to end. I had a great time. Did you notice that the man's poker hand was 69 KKK? No, I did not.

That probably wasn't intentional. That's not an argument against the movie. that was just something obviously. Sorry weird. Yeah, I don't know. It feels the comical parts in this movie, they're memorable, but they feel like almost kind of like artificial to me

where it's just like, he just lets him shoot the head off of his head and it's just so weird. It goes to pick it up like eight times and it's like, it just felt like what is this going for it? time because it just keeps jumping back and forth between like more serious elements and then

just like so over the top that I just I just didn't think it it meshed together well I know I'm in the minority here I've looked at the IMDB ratings people seem to consistently rate the films higher as they go I just like this is this is the least effective one for me yeah and I don't want to make excuses for it either or anything I just didn't really mind that the drastic change in tone at all. Yeah. It's very Italian, honestly. It's very Italian. And for him, he's probably a fucking nut, Sergio Leone.

So it's just like these crazy experimental things he would do, like the cutting and the weird angles. But sometimes it would really work and make something iconic. So when he tries something and it doesn't really work or it's like, comes across as like maybe that's a little too far. Like the stuff with the backstory

with the daughter or whatever, still, I guess, an entertaining experience throughout the whole thing. Yeah. Like there's a lot of South Korean films that do a really great job at throwing in a bunch of different tones and it all meshes together really well. Like Parasite is like a multi genre movie in a way and it just it works together so well whereas like this it just kind of felt like like make up your mind in a way for me. It just wasn't engaged in the same way. I guess things like that that hat moment didn't bother me because it does have a purpose in the story. It is conveying a character's skill through just showing what they're able to do, you know.

They did that a few times. There's a bunch of those, though. They're like shooting apples off the trees and shit. You know, like every single time someone gets shot. It's just one of the main characters being like, peop, pew, pew, pew, can't touch this. You know, it went on for so long. It went on for so long that one sequence. It's probably my favorite sequence of the film.

if I were to rewatch anything, it would be the hat shooting off part. But I just didn't think it complimented the rest of the experience as well. I did you not enjoy the whole aspect of the like undercover bounty hunter? I really liked that kind of thing of him sneaking into the gang and like working together and playing the sides and all that. Yeah, it was it was there. I'm glad that they changed things up a bit and it wasn't literally just a carbon copy of the first film. but I wasn't so invested or into it that it really helped my experience all that much.

And I guess even for all three of these films, I don't think I'm watching any one of them completely unironically, like super into the story and characters. I don't think I'm getting that from any, I mean, to some degree, yes. But the majority of my entertainment and experience and appreciation for it is, I guess, just like the artistic choices, the music obviously, you know, those sequences with the, you know, shots of close up shots of their faces and some of the set pieces and, you know, some of the, I guess you could say gags.

But I just, there was so much of just the story elements, I guess, in this one, which is like the part I'm least engaged in of these films. So that's probably why. That's what I was kind of hoping for out of the first one a bit more, was a bit more story with a couple of, you know, twists and turns to keep you engaged. And that's what I got out of for a few dollars more as opposed to the first movie. Yeah. A lot more going on. That makes sense, though. It's not just your jumpo. You're right about the music though. Yeah. Because like I really remember the first and third themes, but like the second one out. I'm like,

yeah. Yeah. And it's good music. I remember being like, wow, I dig this score. But it's certainly not anywhere near as iconic as the themes for the first and third film. Everybody's heard those songs a billion times. So pop culture. I watched it on Blu-ray. How'd you guys watch it?

I also watched it on Blu-ray. Yeah? Got the Blu-ray. Yeah, so it looked great. For a film so old, it looked really good. Oh, yeah. Very crisp. You should do a 4K release.

It's shot all outside mostly in the sun, so, you know, like just it looks awesome. Gritty and dirty and all the sweat beads everyone has. Right. Sweaty. Very immersive. Apparently that's why Clint Eastwood was squinting the entire time is just the sun. That's what he said, apparently.

Yeah. It's fucking trademark. Character attribute that was just created just because of that. They didn't have sunglasses back then. They weren't invented. They probably didn't. They probably didn't have really nice, like, ray bands, you know, back then. Yeah.

Yeah. I just the some memorable parts from the second movie but like just I got so much more of an experience out of the other two I don't really have it also has the same villain as the first one it's the same actor right yeah different character again completely different backstory but same actor it felt like they're doing the same villain again but like fleshed out more yeah right that kind of thing yeah I'm glad we got more from the villain original story mm-hmm like let's Let's take this kind of cartoony villain and we'll give him a little bit more dimension. I mean, he's still a piece of shit.

You still want to get his come up. It's from the good guy. But, yeah, you at least get where he's coming from or give him some scenes on his own. There's a part in the movie where it's like felt like it was a weird editing choice. There's a place I know about Agua Caliente and then immediate cut, here we are, Agua Caliente. Yeah, that was interesting. I don't know. It's just a personal preference thing, I guess, but it's like, I don't know.

Just have a fade, maybe have a shot of them walk, like, you know, on their journey, just like one shot and then imply passage of time. Yeah, it's not the most effective kind of smash cut. Yeah, it just feels like parody level again. But it doesn't seem super aware a lot of the parody level choices in this. She's just trying to be a cool western. Yeah. Crazy a tour. I mean, either that or they just like forgot to film a shot and like, I'm like, I don't know.

I don't know. Couldn't tell you. Did they have more money for this film? I think this one was filmed before the American release of the first one, right? Yeah. There was something strange that. Yeah. Because the American one, or the American release of the first film,

wasn't until like several years after the Italian release. And they just decided in marketing to kind of tie it together. Like you said, nothing within the movies really ties it to any other movie. Why not? Because it's clearly going for something similar. It's clearly, it's made for the same audience. If you like that movie, watch these two movies because they're basically the same thing, but... Mr. Poncho Man.

Mr. Poncho Man goes on adventure, but it's slightly better. It shoots a bunch of people. It shoots a lot of hats. They might shoot more hats than people in this trilogy. Yeah, maybe. It's more of a budget. $600,000. The original one, I think, was $250,000.

obviously adjusted for inflation. Yeah, I think that does make sense, to be honest. It does look better than the first movie. They got some more horses. Yeah. I don't know. You get up so much of the budget. Yeah, I guess so.

Lots of hay. Yeah. Like this one a lot. Super goofy and entertaining. Do you want to give a rating? Yes. Okay, we're all good. I'll give it an 8 out of 10.

Yep, I'm the same. This is an 8 out of 10 for me as well. Exactly what I want out of a Western, like. like this. Just a cool revenge story. I like the gang aspect and the the heist, the bank robbery stuff. I love all that kind of fun.

And I'm giving this one a six out of ten. Meme, meme answer, but also my real answer. I laughed because the way you said it, you said it just like how you wouldn't like a video. Yeah. With the exact like inflection.

Good, good movie. There's a lot to appreciate about it, but just didn't work for me. in the same way that the other two did. Too much I couldn't get into, unfortunately. But glad it exists either way. It's part of the trilogy.

Okay, so the final film in the trilogy, the good, bad, and the ugly. It's all the same people. Clint Eastwood's a badass again. The most iconic thing from this movie is the song. Which is literally, when I think Western, that's what I think. And I think everyone has heard that. thought of it or you know at some point nobody hasn't heard that just that yeah honestly is there

any like a specific example that that comes from like how does everyone know that song it's just been parody so much in pop culture like people people use that in a you know if you're going to parody like a western you use that song even if you're doing a parody of that but it's not even really a western setting and you just have like close up shots of two characters in their faces you just use that song. It's been done a billion times. Like, pop culture. You know, it's the same thing as like just knowing everything about Star Wars. Yeah.

Even though you haven't seen Star Wars sort of thing. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing soundtrack. Really, really energetic, really fun. It adds to the experience so much. Great energy to it. And also, like, I don't know. I haven't heard every song ever, so I don't know how much this statement is true.

But, like, I'm getting the impression that, like, this score in particular. particular is pretty groundbreaking, like, in terms of, like, creatively, like, what it was doing. Like, there, there sounds that, like, would potentially just sound really annoying and unappealing, but they really work. Like, having the, you know, it's, like, kind of goofy in a way. And I think that also adds to why this song has been used in so many different circumstances and especially comedic parody circumstances. It's like, there is a goofy element to the soundtrack, too.

And that also helps the tone of the film. in many different ways. Like, not only is it energetic and, like, epic and exciting, but that tiny little goofy element to the soundtrack that doesn't ruin the tone or experience of the film, it gives you those clues to be like, okay, yes, they are going for a bit of a comedic tone in this as well. I mean, if the film itself already didn't communicate that, but it just makes it that much more clear. Yeah. When they introduce Tuko, the ugly, they play.

Yeah. Yeah, so good. comedic moment, the freeze frame. It's so appropriate. It's one of those things where it's like you're watching it and then you're like, okay, well, obviously this is why this movie is so well known and renowned. Like, it's obvious. It's so obvious.

Yeah. There's a scene. A Civil War band is playing. There's a guy with a flute who's like crying, which I was laughing at. It was pretty funny. But ironically, I was laughing at it. It was like a really emotional moment. I was like shocked.

I think as the most to say out of the three by far. Yeah. I think as the most going on with not only just the overall kind of satirizing those old kind of John Wayne type westerns, the romanticized violence. And here you've got all these characters that are rooted in violence and they're more anti-heroes than it being, you know, the goody cowboy going around and killing everyone. It's more complex. and they play with the one of my favorite like hooks to the story

was just the dynamic between the good and the ugly yeah the way they had that little con going like I didn't expect that at all going into it for like that multiple layered reveal that developed over the movie in their relationship and how they just kind of torture each other and they're just horrible to each other

but they need to stay together because they have information that because they want that fucking money it's 200,000 They try to kill each other several times, but in ways where it's like sadistic. It's not just like, oh, I'm really trying to torture each other. I'm going to make you walk around in the desert and pass out and then shoot you. I'll leave you hanging here.

All this shit. The scene where he's like about to hang Clint Eastwood and then there's like a cannon ball or something and the floor gives out. I thought that was clever too. That was a really cool effect. Yeah, it was. But even just writing, like instead of the floor given out under Clint Eastwood, like how it would be in that time when the floor. floor gave out, it was under the other character doing it. It's like, oh, that's like a clever

fucking thing that you just put in there. And there's so much shit like that. Yeah, the stunts in general are very impressive. We mentioned it earlier with the train sequence where he jumps out of the carriage and then kills the guy really brutally, but puts his chain onto the train track, and then the whole train

drives over, and apparently it was such a dangerous stunt. If he'd, like, got up from his lying down position, it would have decapitated him. Oh yeah. So, like, yeah. They really did go all the way for this one.

That under the train part was like pretty brutal. I loved it. I wasn't expecting that. Because he, like, the body like clips on the bottom of the train. It like gets snagged and like that was really cool. Yeah, it's not like bloody, but yeah. The whole film is pretty gruesome. It is like the part where they execute the guy in the street, like the soldiers and they put

him in a coffin. Like there was a big theme of the movie, just mortality and death. I mean, the graveyard. art at the end. And the futility of war. Yeah, that's a huge aspect. Yeah. Yeah.

Just a bare and fucking wasteland of people just murdering each other. It must have been such an awful time to live in. And it's glorified in this movie, but obviously there's something more picking at it too. Well, glorifying the sense like that the movie is entertainment, you know, obviously. I wouldn't want to be a cowboy in the West because it would actually be horrible. Absolutely. But if I was plenty of student in the West, it'd probably be a lot of fun. Yeah.

If you were just so fucking badass That you can just shoot everyone's head off at a distance Like fucking 30 times in a row Yeah there's that moment where Clint Eastwood himself like acknowledges like wow this is like a real waste of life right now So it's like the film directly acknowledging like the kind of anti-war slant Yeah definitely There wasn't there wasn't that I didn't like about this at all

I mean like it was so insignificant Just like yeah Looking at my notes, there was like a kind of fake-looking practical effect with the backhand hit after Clint gets his face spit on. I was like, but you didn't even connect. All right. Sort of thing. But yeah, everything else about the movie is just like really great. And even like, you know, the second movie has that I was complaining about the sort of mishmash of conflicting tones in using the hat shooting scene in the second movie as an example.

but in this movie it's like they're doing it right away and as you said Ralph like the the titles at the beginning where the ugly guy just bursts through the window with a fucking turkey leg it's like okay it's so clear what this movie is and it always has like a fun energetic tone it never gets like way too serious it never gets like way too over dramatic it's all it's it's a really nice fairly consistent tone throughout it doesn't feel it really takes its time It's like a good pace to it The sins on their own are really good

They don't even get to the gold To like an hour into the movie I think they don't even mention it But just like their relationship of Tuko and Clinesse would That kept me going for that first hour It's just how entertaining that was Yeah

No the way they kind of weave in the civil war aspect Without it being the main focus I think really helps that tone work Because it's not really a war movie It's still very much a Western with a war like kind of in the background with them just problem solving like we got to get there but there's like a conflict right in the middle we got to do something otherwise we're not going to be filthy rich you know going back to this greed thing it's just all about greed and money yeah i think it's actually a prequel too this movie because he gets his poncho at the end that he wears yeah i mean oh yeah and if you want to if they're in the same timeline if we want to have that if you want to believe that yeah I mean, I don't have any issue with it. Yeah, I was wondering the entire time, I'm like, where's this fucking poncho?

And then, you know, they give them the poncho at the end. And it's one of those things that like now you see those moments in films, like in Marvel movies where it's like, Captain America's back. You like stands out from like comes into the light from the darkness. And what they're going for in modern films, they're definitely going for this whole like, okay, everybody clap right now. sort of thing and it feels so much more so much less genuine right whereas in this movie it's like I don't know it's like far back enough of the timeline that I don't

feel like anything uh it seems a bit more sincere in a way where it's like okay this is for the fans kind of having nostalgia for it too yeah because this is an older film we're just kind of viewing it like that we have nostalgia for that era maybe but at the time the character was like I mean people are really connected with this stuff

yeah The main character is cool and cocky, though. He's just, he's charming and likable and, like, the way he interacts with people in such a suave way, like breaking an egg and cooking it next to him and just talking to him. There's just lots of personality, I think, and it's like that everyone wants to be him type character. It was like, man, I wish I was cool as that guy in the punch you over there. It's a real dad movie. Absolutely. Movie for Dad.

It's a real dad movie. It is. I think. My dad loves these movies. That's just what I'm based on it. The whole set piece with, like, the desert and how they use it twice. And this, like, constant, it feels like kind of like a cat and mouse game almost, where they're constantly one-upping each other.

L and light in Death Note or whatever, just different, obviously. One's got the upper hand at one moment, and then the other one does. It made it, it was just a really fun and interesting and engaging film. Yeah. And Tuko was my favorite character, I think. I think the movie would be very different. Yeah. So watchable.

Their sadistic back and forth is very funny. Yeah. It's also cruel, but you're like, oh, that's pretty, you can't help but laugh at it. Yeah. And how he just like pretends to start liking him just for money alone. It's like, that's the character. Yeah, how his motivations change. He'll go with whoever he needs to.

I don't know what I do without him. He's my best friend. And then Lee Van Clef is in, who's in the last one as well. is the bad guy in this. He's just, you know, straight up murders, innocent people, fucking doesn't give a shit, you know, hires other people to work for him. He's just, you know, a bastard in every way.

And that was interesting. I really liked that. Yeah. I love the idea of killing two people that both hired you to kill each other and following through. That was hilarious. It's such a good way to establish his character.

Yeah, that's how much of an asshole is. There's film has so much personality. Mm-hmm. It's over the top in ways, but doesn't feel like it pushes it too far. It feels appropriate for the film. I found it had a weird kind of sense of morality, I guess, with who they're established. Obviously, the bad character is worse than the other two. But I don't know if I'd call Clint Eastwood's character good.

Right, I wouldn't call him. Yeah. When he gets fucked over in the desert, all I'm thinking is like, yeah, you kind of earned it. You kind of did screw that guy over. Like working with him while like swindling the townspeople, having this whole operation where you pretend to like, you get the money for the bounty and then just take him back and shoot the rope and shoot everyone's hats off.

Like bye-bye, it's like good, good character. But I don't know. I guess he's just, he's self-aware. Yeah. Out of the three, I suppose, he's the good. He's the most good. The title wouldn't work. as well if it was the morally neutral bad and the ugly.

And he's saying something about the time period too, that everyone back then was just a bastard. And that's what you had to be to survive in that time. I mean, Clint Eastwood, he doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't, he tortures Tuko, too. Like, he does horrible things to him. He doesn't kill him. I think, like, a hero today in a movie today, I would be like, yeah, why would he do that? That's what a bad guy would do.

I don't think he ever acts in a way that isn't out of self-interest. throughout the film. Mm-hmm. Right. I mean, he's greedy. He wants money. Yeah. Like, he, that's the whole point of what he's doing.

That says something about guys back then. And also the fantasy element of it, too. Also, maybe, like, you know, because at the time was the gold rush and everyone was just rushing to the West so they could accumulate a fortune. And most people found nothing and ended up, you know, just living in shacks and shooting each other. And it's kind of a comment on that, like this constant greed that led nowhere. It just led to their death, to their graves.

Yeah. Literally to a graveyard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you could interpret from that. I found the production to be so impressive, though. Going back to the scale of it, some of those sets blew me away. Yeah, that graveyard set, the...

Yeah, the bridge blown up was awesome. Yeah, the bridge and the army camp that they show. It's just so many extras and details. And they were like running down a hill was epic shit. they had to blow up the bridge twice I think they fucked up the first time yeah it destroyed every camera didn't it

yeah I don't know what happened but you know that's what happens when you guys you have guys speak in English Italian you know they have no coordination I guess back then they didn't have good radio technology I don't even know how they did it it's shocking there aren't more deaths involved with films from this kind of time

working in these bombastic genres I'll probably be fine talk about a few films in the future that people died and died making. Yeah. Yeah. It happened. These films, especially back then, they were just very dangerous. And I guess they just didn't care.

There were no protections for the, yeah, there was no standards. There was no protection for these actors. They just didn't even know what they were doing, really. I don't know how they made this shit. Yeah, just go live by the train track. Going out of the desert, like, how do you go out in the desert without air conditioning and like lots of tents? And like, that's what actors do now.

Like, Leah, when he did the Revenue, I know that's not the desert, but they probably had a nice setup for him when he wasn't filming the movie. So he was nice and warm. Yeah. And I just don't know how they did it back then because it must have fucking sucked. It's just and the shooting days were much longer too because the film technology and all that. They really gave it their all. They did so much more with this. And it feels very justified.

The larger scale. and, you know, increased ambition. It doesn't feel like it's just trying too hard. It feels like it works really well. I love the emotions in the scene where Tuko's getting beaten up and they have the Army band playing or whatever. And just like the tone and the juxtaposition between what's happening visually and what the tone of the music is going for,

I love shit like that. I love experiencing, like, unique emotions for a film. and I felt like I got a lot of those watching this one. It didn't feel like it was just doing the same thing again. I still thought the flute guy was funny, the guy crying. It was just so over the top. It works for the scene. It's like, it was just so emotional.

These peaks and valleys are of emotion. Like, it's so over the top of the movie. I think it's funny. And it just works for the tone of it, too. I don't know if I'm laughing at it as much as much it just. It just works. It's just its own thing. It does have a good sense of humor.

Yeah, it has a sense of humor too. Yeah, the graveyard scene with the score booming and the camera swinging around, it is epic, dude. It's so dramatic and impactful. Yeah, when he's like yelling at the end. It gets faster as the music builds up. Yeah. And like no movies ever, I think, tried that sense.

If they have, it's not as good. Because there's no topping it. There's no, you know. It's such a genius idea. Yeah, got three of the greatest Western actors. and like the greatest composer and the greatest director making that scene and it's like awesome it's so perfect i think that's like the last half hour of the movie is just that part which is why it's so long but it needs to the tension is perfect the way it builds up to everything yeah yeah it was it was one of the more

satisfying ways that it could have ended too i would have been a little bit disappointed if he just like if you left tucco to die because i like the character but at the same time I don't know. I'd never seen it before. It could have gone either way. I wasn't just thinking in my head like, oh yeah, he'll definitely come back. It wasn't predictable. And so that also added to it. So that when we do get the payoff at the end, there's some sort of satisfaction to it rather than just constantly being ahead of the film. And, you know, how he yells at the end in that huge echo, the sound design with that and the music at the same time. And just like the level of the performance that Tuko gives is like it's all. perfect. It's a really great way to end the movie. Very satisfying. I'm going to double check the length of like the extended cut versus the other one. Because I just want to make sure it's

right. I don't know if there is a huge amount. I think it's about 30 minutes or so. Yeah. You seem to enjoy it still quite a lot even though you watched the extended. Yeah, I'd actually be really interested to watch the other one now and see if it is better than they say.

Did you feel like it dragged dragged on at any point or what? honestly no yeah i was so into the story and the plot progression of it all it was really working for me and without knowing the difference you know it's hard to truly know on a first viewing like i had no idea there were even different cuts like yeah you know it's impossible to keep track like every other movie we recommend happens to have like some random cut that i've never heard of yeah it's it's so crazy so the original italian version of the movie was almost three hours long okay it was trimmed by

16 minutes for a total two hours and 41 minutes for its international release, which was the version everywhere outside Italy. So I guess watch the two hour 40 minute one. Is the original Italian version the extended one or is that a different cut? Is the extended one like, I don't know idea. The original Italian version is the extended cut. Yeah. Okay. That's the one that's that's like Yeah, I was confused about it. Okay. Even that's not that bad three hours. Not honestly, it wasn't that noticeable. No. It's so entertaining. I didn't care at all. I just mentioned it because people were like,

oh, but really most of the length is that shootout at the end, which is awesome. It's incredible. At this point, we've seen like four hour long movies, so. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah. The only part of the movie that I felt was like a little slow was right just like leading into the, at the beginning, the shooting in the kitchen. But by the time the shooting happened, And I was like, well, that's such a fucking good payoff that it doesn't really matter, you know. Like I could watch it again knowing that that will happen and it's probably not going to bother me at all.

And it, you know, it helped to build the tension in a way. Didn't just want it to just go straight to the scene and then have that shooting happen. So it made sense. I love the costumes. Costumes are just great. And considering like it's an Italian movie, they were actually pretty good, like with the accuracy of the soldiers and everything. It's probably what they wore. It seemed pretty good.

I went to a museum, like a Western museum, and they had some of the shit from the movie. I'm like, oh, looks like, looks about like what they'd have back then compared to the other stuff in this museum. So, you know, they did a good job with that too. I think it would have been a little better if they'd film these movies in America or for some shots anyway. Yeah. Because, you know, just, yeah, because you can tell it's just like a desert in Spain. Yeah. Because that's what it is.

It's a desert in Spain. there's no like noticeable landmarks of of the west at all or canyons or like the geography of the west you know which is not just the desert it's not just sand it's like canyons and the grand canyons like this big fucking you know whole like i think all that stuff would have been cool to see and use and they use it and like he's used it in his later movies it's interesting he just makes so many movies about america even though he's just an italian guy and they're they're not shot in america Yeah, usually. It's probably cheaper.

It's cheaper, right. It's like the Italian-American experience, I guess. But it, you know, these movies are iconic. Yeah. Can't say it ever took me out of the film for, you know, the geography. Yeah, I'm just a dumb brain. I don't know. I've just seen these so many times, you know.

It would have been nice. I think there have been Western since that, like, utilized the geography a lot. I think the Cohn brothers shot, like, their movies and, the West, right? Or like actually in America, you know, probably like, they gotta look up like where true grit was. But they go in like the woods. There's like other stuff aside from just, you know, sand. Yeah. I would appreciate that. It's like minor complaint.

Yeah. Yeah, you got to get into nitpick territory for talking about this movie if you want to bring up real critiques. Yeah. I think we pretty much covered everything. A lot of what we talked about in the previous films was like applicable here too. There's some that were just general.

Have you guys seen any westerns? Yeah. Have you seen any westerns from like America at that time? Like John Wayne movies? Like the original True Grit. And that kind of. No, not really. There's a bunch I need to watch for sure.

There might be some that I have seen and that I'm just forgetting about. But Western is definitely a genre that I have not seen a lot of. Yeah. Like those to me seem dated. Like the John Wayne ones and all that. Because they're like, those are like glorifying. the West and these kind of people. I think the Italian ones, the Spaghetti Westerns had a big impact because they feel

more, they're like grittier, and these characters are more unlikable, and there's like something about it, the music and how everything came together that connected with people more and aged better than the rest of these commentary. Yeah. Then like the rest of these junk westerns that were made by Hollywood at the time. We're like John Lynch just shot a bunch of people or, you know, some of them, they were just like he was shooting Indians and it's like a response to the genre it's totally dated right

and trigger it the 2000s one was shot in New Mexico okay I saw El Topo but that's not really it's not really one yeah it's not quite in the same Western in quotation marks uh huh another crazy director supposedly the critical reception

when Bad Nugley originally came out was fairly mixed for this sort of reason because the landscape was these kind of John Waters tier Westerns so I guess people were kind of sick in a similar way John Wayne John Wayne sorry

John Waters is the pinkle moustache director another crazy crazy director yeah this original critical opinion of the film and whatnot seems to be the case for most of the well not most

I don't know a lot of like really big classics it's like mixed reception initially and then it's like, oh, wait, it's because it's offering something unique. And people don't always like seeing something that isn't just form fitting to what they've already experienced. Yeah, I think, like, reading up, like, quotes from Leone explaining his kind of motivations and intent for the movie helps a lot. Like, there's a quote of him saying, the killings in my films are exaggerated because I wanted

to make a tongue-in-cheek satire on run of the middle. Westons. The West was made by violent, uncomplicated men, and it is this strength and simplicity that I try to recapture in my pictures. And honestly, I think he does a very good job of doing that. Yeah. Yeah, that's really cool. You need the main character to be a bit of an asshole, because that's like the authentic part, I guess, of the West. Yeah, everyone's selfish. It's all about greed at the end of the day. Yeah. That's what everyone was there for. Yeah. For money. A lot of them get it.

All right. Anyway, all right. What else is it to say? Holy shit. Yeah. Loved it? Yeah, me too. Okay.

Yeah, I absolutely loved this one. And you had seen, have you seen any of these before? I'd seen for a few dollars more before. Okay. That's weird. Hang on, sorry, no, I'd seen a fistful of dollars. Okay, I was getting confused. Yeah.

Yeah, I got them confused too. Yeah, I keep getting them confused. Yeah, good. So we've all seen it. Classic Western. I'd probably give it like an eight or a nine out of ten. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking a nine.

And I'm giving this one an eight out of ten. Might change on a second watch. You never know. But, uh, really loved it. That was great. Yeah. I'd be, I'd be quicker to see this one and revisit it again than I would for the other two.

Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. This is the one I've seen this one so many times. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I also appreciate that they're good like standalone movies. It's like, I don't really.

need to watch the first two again to watch the third one. I can just watch that on the town. Yeah. And it's a good Western too. I kind of painted the second one is the best Western, but this one has lots of good Western. Like they're in a town, there's a shootout or whatever. It's just also that Civil War part too, which adds a lot.

It just has so much more depth to it, so much more going on. Yeah. The setups and payoffs and the way they build off each other, it's just a really well-made, well-executed story. Thanks for the recommendation, Ralph. that's great yeah awesome so glad

finally seen rest in peace marconi yeah yes yeah we lost a good one but

it's pretty old is still making films I know right so yeah I was looking up as I NDB earlier I guess the last thing I saw of his

was that Sully movie probably I saw 1517 to Paris I maybe not the best movies but you know I got to say he's still making movies like holy shit

he is still making movies And they're okay. It's not like they're totally embarrassing. Like he gets big stars to be in them. They're like big Hollywood films that are marketed and like billboards. It's not like what Francis Ford Copeland made like Twix, where it's like this embarrassing VOD like movie, like something like garbage. So I do have a lot of respect for like Clint Eastwood that he's like he's done acting. He's done directing.

He's done all these different things. He made Unforgiven too. I believe he directed that. I was about saying about Unforgiving. Yeah. Yeah, talking about Unforgiving. Because that like totally, that was like the last great Western people say. It was like a great deconstruction of the Western genre.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like saying goodbye to it after it's long gone. It's been a while since I've seen it. Yeah. That's what I remember taking away from it. The kind of Swan Song side. Yeah.

He's 90 years old. Oh, my. Wow. Get great actors to be in his movie. old. Yeah. Like Morgan Freeman's in a, unforgiven. I remember being good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he is in it. Million dollar baby. He always gets Morgan Freeman. God bless. So just for that voice. All right. Question time. Yeah. All right. Let's move into the question block.

If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer on future episodes of Sardonicast, head over to the subreddit where there will be a suggestion thread. Yeah, I'll post it at some point. Okay. Let's start with this one then from a TG. What Doesers? Who says, is YouTube.com forward slash Ralph the Movie Maker working on any projects right now, either film or otherwise? Yeah. Anything you want to say? No, that's it.

I'm working on something. Question and answer. You're working on something? Keep it secret. It's on my Patreon. okay uh yeah i don't want to say anything actually it is definitely a thing that you are making okay well here some i made a tic-tok right oh oh so i thought maybe i'll watch riverdale and i'll post it on tic-tok just like me watching it because i just made a tic-tok account because it's it

seemed kind of fun i used it for like five minutes it seemed kind of fun so maybe i'll post something on tic-tok okay well she'll t-tick-tok What are you think? Well, you're like, is it at Ralph the movie maker? Yeah. Okay, everyone swore on his TikTok then, his Fortnite videos. Adam, there's a question for you. Uh-oh.

From Doctor underscore Kvass. This isn't an uh-oh one, don't worry. How much raw audio do you normally record for the podcast? What percent of the conversation is included? So how much is edited out, basically? Depends on the episode. Depends on the episode. Sometimes we take brain.

to go pee and I edit those out sometimes it's as simple as just cutting out the ums and errs and sometimes if there's like rambling or whatever that could be shortened down or if two of us are talking at the same time and I need to like rearrange it so that we're not interrupting each other or something because it's over discord there's a delay you know you know we're not in the same uh we're not in the same room and so that right there what happened my voice crack. That's something that I would normally edit out, but I'm just going to leave in there as a reference. We record these on Mondays, and I'm the one that has to wake up the earliest out of all of us, and I do my Sunday game stream the night before, so I'm usually like just

fucking hung over and just feel like shit my voice is dying just from like yelling at video games the whole night before. So decent amount of like voice crack and shit that I have to edit out. but yeah, there's been some episodes where they've been trimmed down quite a bit, others where there was barely anything trimmed out. So it really depends. Really, really depends. Okay. Ink Drop 53 has one for us.

There was an episode a while back where you guys said you would consider having a viewer recommendation. How would you go about choosing what that film would be? We'd do like a poll on Reddit probably because that's where most people go, right? with our fan base that makes sense so like one of us would post it and then well we'd have to have like

at least five other choices like narrowed down I think the key is us choosing the selection and then them voting on it because I just don't know what would happen if you just recommend anything

whichever one way to find out it would have to be like a large bracket it would be like a bracket and then it gets to us and we pick and we pick like four of them and then we let them vote and then that would be the movie yeah I don't know

if you guys want to do it I'm pulling this out of my ass right now. So if you have criticism for my plan, that's fine. I can go on forever without doing it. But if it happens, that's okay too. Okay. Are you anti the idea? I just don't see anything wrong with the way that we're doing it right now.

And also, like, there's everybody that loves the idea and wants us to do a fan-recommended film thing probably isn't going to be excited about what ultimately gets. picked depending on how it's depending on how the poll is done right you know even even in our own communities there's you know generally a bias towards things that people have seen before you go in these threads even if a lot of the other movies are like going to be better and more interesting for discussion there's going to be a lot of people voting on them that are going to be like well i've seen fight club i want to hear them talk about fight club sort of thing right so that kind of i don't I don't know if, I don't know.

If you want to do it at some point, I'm totally fine with it. I just, I don't think it's absolutely necessary. And then at that point, it's like, what, do we make it a regular thing? I wouldn't want to make it. I wouldn't want it to do it again. Yeah. I don't know. Episode 100 maybe.

We could try it out. Yeah. But then it's like, what if it's really lame? Then our episode 100 is like fucking lame. Yeah. You never know. Let me end the show. Yeah.

We see what people want to want from us, though, anyway. So we're going to be like a two recommendation thing for like a week, like one that one of us recommend and then also a poll. That could work, yeah. Yeah. Because we usually talk about like two different movies if we can. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be down for that.

Yeah, that would be great. We'll keep you posted. Yeah, we'll figure it out. An ongoing discussion. Okay. Next question. Let's do this one from PPO6784 who says, who is the worst teacher you've ever had.

Hmm. We name drop in or what? Yeah, I'm not using a name. Yeah, I won't use real names, but I've got an answer. Go for it. I'll think about it. So in secondary school, we do design technology, and this is my pick for my worst teacher. He was kind of like the general guy from full metal jacket.

He loved the, like, control. He almost seemed to get off on the control of keeping the classroom, organized like an army room, everyone in like complete silence and it was just horrible. It felt like like, uh, did you guys ever have that experience where they got like a, someone laughing as like a Victorian teacher to come in and, like, school the class. Yeah, when I was in primary school, they had like someone acting as a Victorian teacher come in and just made like the whole class cry. Wow.

Because it's like seven and eight year olds. Yeah, yeah. I actually remember that quite. vividly but yeah aside from that experience it probably was this design technology horror well I don't have a story like that I feel like I got off pretty easy with teachers so oh really Adam if you have one I didn't have as much issues with teachers but there were principals every school I went to the principal was out to get me and I don't know why it was really weird they just like they honed in on me and decided that I would be their enemy when I just

had no interest. It was so bizarre. The enemy in what sense? They created these fictions in their mind where they thought that anything that I was doing that it was

to piss them off. So I'd go to school and I'd have like a shirt just so you know it was from Disney World. It had a fucking scar quote on it said I'm surrounded by idiots and they take issue with that they're like you wore this shirt to piss me off. I'm like what I don't give a shit about what's going on in your life and he was like

I remember at the, there was this like, in junior high, we had this like, quote unquote graduation sort of ceremony or whatever just for like middle school sort of thing. And there was a popular song at the time, dirt off your shoulder by Jay Z, right? And so, you know, everybody does their, they're like little shake the hands with the principal, walk down the stage or whatever and, you know, your name's called out. Whatever. What I did is I shook the hands of the principal and because I'm a fucking goofball, I did the Jay Z dirt off your shoulder thing. and I just like, ha ha, as I walked down the stairs. Next day I get called into the office. He's like, I saw that you wiped your hands off after touching my hand.

And I'm like, what? You don't even understand that this is a song that is popular. Like, you're just so detached. They just kept creating these like weird, like, bizarre fantasies that I'm like out to get them, that I would always just get punished for stupid shit. And that happened with like a couple different principles. I've had very bad experience with. principals. I don't know what the fuck it is. Maybe somebody else who was like a tall, lanky white

dude with long hair bullied them when they were kids or something. Like, I don't know. Maybe they've had bad experiences with people that look like me. I don't, I don't know. But I've had just half of the principals that I've had in my schooling experience were just like, they singled me out in ways that like I just did not understand. It was really annoying. It is weird when teachers, there are those teachers that just like hate youth. kids and young people and yet they're a teacher and have to interact with their day and day out. Because they hate their fucking life. They're not doing

what they really want. The one that I had in elementary school, she had a doctorate and she refused to be called anything but doctor. It was so funny. She was a principal in an elementary school. She was like, I'm doctor, blank, or whatever. She hated me. I had a few teachers like that. So many,

say, shut up. I like calling teachers by their first name. I like doing it all the time. So when they insisted doctor, yeah, I'm like, What? Doctor? Yeah. You're an eighth grade science teacher.

Like, I can call you doctor, but... And then it gave me an 89 instead of a 90th on my report card. Fuck. You know what? Yeah, I guess that guy's a take.

Yeah, generally didn't have that bad experience with teachers because even though, like, I would either sleep through class or skip it or whatever, like, I was still getting my shit done. So, like, in that sense, if I had a teacher that, you know, would be annoyed by that kind of thing, then, you know, they'd get annoyed. But my grades were obviously not being negatively impacted by my. No, sure. Lack of sleep during when I'm supposed to be sleeping. So generally, there was an understanding.

In high school, I was supposed to be in the school play. And I had like a pretty major role for like a musical. And it was around this time where I was, you know, because, I was already skipping class or like sleeping or whatever, but still getting the work done and my marks weren't affected. I was exploring other avenues and thinking, you know what? I think at this point, I kind of want to try distance learning or see if I can do it from home or condensed courses. There are other schools that offer like same material in a shorter amount of time. Why would I waste an entire year curriculum if I can do the same thing in two months, right? So I was exploring other avenues and I went up to like my guidance counselor to ask him like okay is there a way I can still

stay in the school play but stop you know but but do uh condensed learning at another school or something like because I didn't want to see the play being impacted by whatever I did and so I thought okay well if they say no then I'll just keep going to school finish the play and then you know drop out or go to another school over Christmas break and so I asked my guidance counselor he's like oh well why don't we ask the principal and see what she thinks and So this woman that I've never interacted with before ever, I'm asking her, I'm taking the initiative saying, I want to be doing this. And if you're not okay with it, then I won't.

And immediately she was like, no, you've already missed class. So we're kicking you out of the play. You're not allowed to be in it no matter what you do. I was like, what? Like immediately, like that was her response. She literally just kicked me out at school play, which wasn't even as damaging to myself personally as it was to the fucking drama teacher who now had to recast this major role

for this production that was already like two thirds through making her life more miserable like what the fuck are you doing? She was just a total abuse of power and I've had so many experiences like that with authority figures just like okay I didn't even have to like go up to you I didn't even I could have just kept doing

what I was doing without saying anything and I would have been fine in the school play it was because I took the initiative and I was being responsible and thoughtful trying to come to some sort of an agreement that I made that initiative, that that's the reason why I got kicked out. I was like, fuck you.

And I just like, I dropped out of school completely at that point. I was so mad. Yeah, that is bad. Yeah. That is really bad. That was my rant. But then I wound up,

you know, taking condensed courses later. So I wound up getting my equivalency at some point, which never really used practically in real life. My high school degree didn't really help me get a job or anything. but all right next question next question

yeah it's next question so I'm just thinking about education this is a whole drama in the UK at the moment about Pink Floyd that's what I thought of I thought of Pink Floyd

and I thought you know who what's happening in the UK right now there's something like currently having so I don't know what you guys have as equivalence we call it A levels I guess it's like high school kind of like towards the end of high school or whatever sure the final couple years

it's like the most important grade you get before going to university basically because no one in the UK has been able to take exams because of COVID so they've they've designed this algorithm to take the averages from schools in certain regions and giving you a school based off fucking algorithms so it's not on an individual basis. So, like, private schools, their averages are obviously way high. So all the private schools are getting great grades and all the state schools are kind of

suffering from it. It's a huge scandal. Sure. It's really, really bad. School's going to be weird this year. Glad I'm done with that part of my life. I think more about the little kids that, like, are learning crucial reading and writing skills. Like if they're not getting that at home

I feel really sorry for all these little kitties that are missing out in their education Yeah Well everyone's life is pretty much on hold For like two years right now anyway Yeah well there were no graduations Or anything they had to cancel all those And then when people moving into colleges now

The dorms and everything It's bad like you have to wear masks everywhere And yeah Sounds not fun Yeah to help their kids move up You know only one person could go up at a time it's yeah wow yeah yeah yeah no for like all this yeah it seems like a fucking disaster coming you heard about the school in like georgia or whatever like they

already opened up and they had like a like 24 people diagnosed with COVID like after like one day and then they had to shut it down that's gonna happen those packed hallways with nobody wearing masks and the governor's just like yeah well you can't possibly enforce that meanwhile they're enforcing like actual dress codes at school anyway it's like well you can't have a skirt that's too short it's like well the do you enforce that then? Fuck off. Nothing we can do about it.

We can't even suggest it. Like, fuck. We're in for a disaster. Yeah, and they're not handling it well. No. As far as the education, like what you were saying, Alex, it's like a state-by-state kind of thing. I guess we have SATs in America,

but it's, yeah, like in New York State, we have like an AP test, but I don't think that's everywhere. and that's kind of how you measure I guess that measure the measures intelligence of our youth I don't know

that's not accurate either and because of all this COVID stuff you know it's not even accurate they just passed a bunch of people because you know fuck it they didn't want to hold anyone back they're just like pass all these kids even if they handed in nothing

just pass them God yeah it's crazy it's a crazy time. All right, a couple more questions. When's Adam going to open his TikTok? No. Is that a question on about it?

No, that was just personal question. That was a personal question. You know, I tried Snapchat a while ago when that started out, and I was like, wow, this is something that isn't even entertaining, and then I deleted it. TikTok seems like the exact same thing. I actually had a Vine account just because I wanted to, I just wanted to prove how easy it was to get a fucking popular vines. I just did a clip from one of my reviews, a cool cat moment, and it got like 5 million vines.

I was like, okay, done. I'm done with this shit. I just like, I don't know, you can do the same thing on any other video platform pretty much. It's just shorter content. I guess there's a couple things with vines. It's the new one, though. Or the video response kind of thing. I wish that there was like an identical alternative.

because, you know, I don't know. I don't know how legitimate these concerns are, but there are concerns with, like, security and privacy issues, considering the company has to, like, report all their information to the Chinese government. Obviously, no government official should have it installed on their phone,

and hopefully their kids don't either. Who knows? Maybe it's all just a bunch of paranoia and bullshit, but I don't know. Yeah. Just seems like a shitty app. They were going to ban it, but they didn't end up happening.

Because I think Microsoft bought it, or something? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, they had to sell their American company version or something. But yeah, like there's documented history of the app. Who knows, maybe it'll change now with the American ownership of that part of it or something.

But the app was like suppressing LGBT content, like intentionally. And also it was like suppressing people that weren't like conventionally attractive. Like they had documented the app was suppressing quote unquote ugly people too. She's like, ah, it seems like a shitty dumb thing. Yeah. But kids are using it. So, yeah, it's how they like listen to music now. Yeah, it's where music gets marketed. There are companies that

literally pay TikTok, TikTok celebrities to dance to their songs is a way to market their music now. Yeah. It's bizarre. It's like artificial mimeage. You know, turn the song into a meme. Yeah. Artificially. Yeah, monetizing memes. Yeah. Well, speaking of, actually, Mufasa underscore 9 says, what is the best meme to come from a movie? Oh, shit. That's hard.

I mean, there's just so many. There's no way there's just one. Yeah. I think I can narrow it down to one, just for my own preferences. Probably something from the Big Lebowski, honestly. That's just like your opinion, man. Yeah.

Lord of the Rings are some good ones. Yeah, Lord of the Rings has a fuck ton. Like it might be overdone, but one does not simply... We're just looking from good movies? That doesn't have to be good. Like, Jared Leto memes, they're some of my favorite, the new Sonic design thing. That was a great meme that came from a movie. Yeah.

I think they got tea. Just a lot of film. Yeah, my enjoyment of film memes usually comes from whichever project I'm currently working on. So right now, the Lion King shit. Dude, Brad Rock! Or like, the Kimba shit. Suspicious. or obviously the intro that I did this episode

of fucking exterminated elephants and shit it's been real slice but it's great because like I stream a lot of my editing process and I have this community that's in on the memes with me so we get to like share that you know it's fun what's that one you found of

from the new Lion King with Mufasa delivering a line really yeah it's like a yeah it's just a really strange delivery yes yeah good with um the Morse Marvel villains, it's like a metric.

The more memes that are generated from the villain, the better the villain is. That's a great point. Thanos has a ton. And, you know, like the dark elf from Thor 2 has nothing or whatever. Yeah. But yeah, that's like a big part of the fan culture is meming the villains in those movies. So I guess I do like those too. Or when they disappear.

Is it Infinity War? Yeah, the Infinity War is where they disappear. Yeah. It was one of those. effect that everybody was using at that point. Yeah. Like fresh out of theaters while people are trying to avoid spoilers, but that's like one of the biggest memes on the internet at the same time.

Yeah, because like so many people were seeing it. Yeah. You can't avoid it. That's like the culture of those movies. Everyone sees it the weekend. It comes out, you know? Yeah. A lot of people anyway.

I think Neil Breen memes are pretty timeless. I often find myself saying, he's very funny. I cannot believe you committed suicide. I cannot believe you committed suicide. I cannot believe. you committed suicide how could you have done this how could you have committed suicide so much good tell me why so in the room i think there's a lot of good i'm i'm not feeling as warm on those

ones because they're so overdone that's like the the rick roll of like movie memes basically like the okay just because it's overdone that doesn't mean like it's like clearly like you can see like Hillary Clinton doing it or some shit you know like it's not cool what about like obvious shit like B movie how do you feel about B movie me movie me That's got to be right. Now one I don't get. I feel like it just became a meme because the idea of a B movie with Jerry Seinfeld is funny. There was like nothing in the movie that was actually.

Yeah, I always thought it was just mocking just how unbelievably awful. The Natshack was memes, but it was just because the theme song was terrible. Like no one watched the show or even cared about any of the content, I don't think. Yeah. Redact it. And they just memed it so much that they had to, yeah, redact it. YouTube had to redact all of it. I mean, I guess it makes sense.

It's like the worst show. of all time and people were uploading 10 hour long versions of flip the film song. I forgot about that. With like slowed down. And the show itself is like really awful like offensive humor like just terrible.

When you just keep remixing something until it has no meaning after a while. See, Shrek has done that but Shrek still survives. Those other ones have died down. That's YouTube surprising. The movie and Nutshack. Those are done. Shrek lives on forever. Shrek is life. Shrek is a better movie.

Trek is just a good film. Yeah, there's more. The one I've never liked is the Chuck Norris one. That's lame to me. That one's ancient, too. That was like when I was in junior high, people were saying that shit. Yeah, I remember when that was around in school, just the same punchline just over and ever again. Yeah.

It was like a family guy. Like, then like a fist come out of his beard or something. It's like. Yeah. In the infancy of the internet, memes didn't have to be funny. Yeah. There was a lot of cats. just, yeah, cat videos.

Tom Hooper. Yeah, that's a, that's a good movie. Yeah. All right. Did we all answer that, I guess? Yeah, one more? Let's end on this one then from Jack Snell. Cool.

Thoughts on David Lynch's YouTube channel? I haven't seen every video. I don't know. He's a crazy old cook. Yeah, I haven't seen much. Wasn't he just talking to a camera? He's doing weather reports. The last time I saw it, he was doing weather reports, yeah.

Yeah. Okay, I didn't see it. He's a crazy man. He's a crazy man. He's like his films. Yeah. His older films. I saw that one he put on Netflix, the one with the monkey or whatever.

Oh, yeah, I did not. Yeah, I tried to watch you. I didn't either. I thought that was really kind of thrown together. Yeah, it felt like a shitpost to me. Yeah. Not everything he makes is amazing, but... Well, no.

Of course not. He gets away with a lot. very influential and incredible director that I respect. But, you know, he said stupid things. He's a memer without trying to be, you know. Yeah, which is what the best memeers should be. Yeah, and they should just be genuine. They should just be themselves.

There's an endearing quality to his craziness. Mm-hmm. He's such a character. Yeah. Oh, Grandpa Lynch. It's kind of like that kind of mindset. I enjoy the David Lynch. Speaking of me.

Fucking telephone. Yeah, what he's calling like a cell phone, a telephone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like an oh, Grandpa Lynch moment. Yeah. There's so much that he does that if anybody else were to do it, people wouldn't be as warm and receptive to it.

But it's just so like, ah, David Lynch, you know. It's like, it's cute when he does it. I agree with like the core of what he's saying that watching a movie on your phone is not the same experience. The meme part is like the way he says it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. His voice. I was talking about that specifically, but...

Yeah, exactly. It's just everything with him. He's very memeable. I guess that's why he's in his own movies, too. That's why he likes being in his own movies. Because he has, like, a personality in, like, Twin Peaks. I think he's, like, supposed to be, like, a little deaf in it because he talks loud. I think that's part of his character.

You never know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You never know. I watch Twin Peaks more. I guess that's not. There it is. You haven't watched any of it

this stuff on YouTube? I've watched some of it, but a lot of them just like, like you say, like, oh, David Lynch. He's just,

like accurate at least. Or silly, cheeky little monkey, yeah. I'm not quite sure of what he's doing. Because I remember even in like, I saw documentaries like in his early, like when he was in his 20s,

he had like a basement and he was like dissecting all kinds of dead animals and like putting him in jars. And like, Like, this guy's fucking crazy. What is he doing? So I can't even imagine what he's doing now with, like, this weather report. I'm just having YouTube available at his fingertips.

Yeah, why not? He just feels like he needs to get something out to the world, you know? He's an artist. He makes great, great movies. Or he can. All right, I guess that's that. We have a, thank you for the question. We have a film recommendation.

from none other than Alex who hates everything Oh yeah that's me I've got a good one I think I think this is going to be a juicy one If this goes well because I think this is a film I know Adam really does not like Oh cool

But where the interesting discussion will be Is because I don't think Ralph and I agree That being Adam Wingard's the guest I knew that was coming I knew that was coming in. Did you? Cool.

I haven't seen it in a while, so let's see. Yeah, I'm the same. I haven't seen it since, when did it come out, 2014? So it's been six years. Okay. But I really liking it. It's my first Adam Wingard film. Yeah, I think it was mine too.

I'll watch that again. Nice. Sorry about that. I'll finish it this time. Oh, you didn't even finish it, all right? No. Okay. Okay, I'm looking forward to this.

Hey, who knows? My mind might just come. completely be changed. I might appreciate. When was the last time you saw it for reference? Uh, uh, for,

uh, who, probably five years ago. Okay. Yeah. That's good then. There's been enough time. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't watch the whole thing. I gave up, but I guess now I have to. See how that goes. Yep.

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that was a good discussion enjoyed the movies thank you Ralph yeah we're on my watch list for a long time Oh, good. Got our fill of spaghetti westerns. Yeah. Mamma Mia.

Awesome. Mm-hmm. Delicious with some spaghetti sauce. All right. Thank you for listening to... Thank you for listening, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye.

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