Sardonicast - Sardonicast #68: Roar, The Guest

Episode Date: September 7, 2020

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Three, two, one. I can't believe you're listening to SardanaCast. I cannot believe you're listening to SardanaCast. How could you have done this? How could you have listened to SardanaCast? Hi, I'm Adam from your movie sucks, and this is Sardonicast, and that was a lovely quote from the masterpiece film known as Fateful Findings, one of my favorite movies ever.

Projected by Neil Breen. I'm Ralph from Ruff the Movie Maker. YouTube.com says Rolfoogh. Oh, you've said both. Oh, yeah. Not sure how I feel about that one. Ralph. I'm Alex from my H.E. How are we doing today, folks?

I'm good. How are you? I'm all right. We're two-thirds through 2020. I know. It's disgusting. I just want to vomit. Where's this year gone? Because I don't mind. Because I want this year to be over quicker. I like that it's going by... Yeah, I guess. I guess. I'm very conflicted

on it. At the same time, I'm kind of... I want to be forming new memories, but I'm not. I'm just kind of doing the same thing over and over, which is why it's going by so quickly. However, this past month, I've been doing like the online film festival thing, which has actually made things go by slower, but in a good way. I've been seeing lots of festival movies through the internet. And I've got press for Fantasia, which just finished, and I got press for TIF Toronto Film Festival, and I'm working on getting press accreditation

for Vancouver. So lucky to be in Canada because a lot of the good film festivals are here all in a row, to just sucks that I couldn't have done can, I guess, but whatever. Maybe when everything isn't ruined. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, a lot of these things are because of the online component, because, you know, people are worried about these films being recorded and torrented. A lot of the distributors will ask for certain restrictions to take place, like limited ticket sales or geo-locking for these films.

So I'm just lucky that I live in Canada for these things Because a lot of these aren't available to people outside Canada Which sucks because I was hoping to maybe see what the London Film Fest was doing But that's probably going to be geoloc too Whatever I can't really blame them Yeah I know exactly I'm happy I'm getting anything really Yeah exactly

I was looking into Khan but that didn't work out Yeah I know I'm gonna not say anything hold my breath and just wait maybe next year Yeah If the festivals are even open. Yeah, exactly. Cannes so early that in the year that I'm not exactly expecting it to happen again next year. No, I'm not either.

TIF is actually this year still doing some in-person screenings. It's very limited, but they're actually still doing a physical festival with the addition of some drive-ins, but yeah, mostly just like extremely reduced capacity and reduced shows and blah, blah, blah. but yeah I'm surprised about that so we'll see what happens next year anyway we all saw a film from what year the 70s 80s 80s

it was filmed in the 70s this is a classic that the first one of us to cover was it's a cult classic a cult classic yeah a cult classic yeah Ralph recommended this a while back I had heard of it before Ralph recommends you a long time ago

why don't why don't you give the little synopsis here, Ralph. Me? Oh, I thought you would, Alex, because you just saw it. But it's a movie about this guy named Neil Marshall, and he lives with his family in a nature

preserve with a bunch of lions. And it's like 150 real lions, I think, and tigers and like panthers. Untrained. And it's just them living with them. Untrained. They try to have like a story. They have a script, but usually the lions mess up the scene.

And it's just like they got attacked or they run around the house, like eating a zebra carcass. It's kind of sick, but also kind of funny. It's insanity. I think it's, yeah, it's actually insane to watch. Yeah, it's mental. I was surprised that it's listed as a comedy like an MDB. And I guess in a sick twist of way it kind of is. But I think like the intentional attempts at comedy are very flat.

Like it's such a strange experience because I thought this movie was like a documentary or something before going in Because I'd watch Ralph's video when he first released it I'd forgotten When I sat down to watch it I found it on YouTube actually I was really struggling to get like a good copy of it I just found the full thing on YouTube So if anyone wants to see it check it out on there But yeah it is a

Wacky movie where I think most of the intrigue lies behind the story behind the production more so than the actual kind of like narrative if you can even use that word it's more just just the insane like I've never seen as like a skateboarding line before I can say I have it's pretty intense the movie there's like a lot of really scary situations he puts his family in like I don't know yeah yeah the dickheads were doing it that's what I thought immediately because like my my first thought was like wait if you know anything about like if using any documentaries about lines, you know, the way, like, lions behave and the way their kind of packs work, and they just have tens of male lions all, like, in the same space,

and their dominant animal. So, of course, they're clashing constantly, and they kind of say that no animals were harmed in the making the movie, but I don't know if that's totally accurate if you're, like, being honest about the situation. You see a lot of movies that say that, and the definition of that is really debatable, depending on the person. But, you know, But yeah, there was a scene where they were like, where they imitated them getting shot and falling over. So I watched all the special features. And for that, apparently, like, there was, you know, to do checkups on them or to, like, give them shots or whatever, whatever medical reasons, they would need to, I guess, apply some sort of, what's the word, tranquilizer to the animals? And so they would give them a shot.

but on this day when they were filming this thing instead of just like giving them a shot they gave him a shot and then waited a couple seconds and then just gave him a little push off the fucking cliff I wonder how they did those shows it was like it was like dirt I don't know

it's probably a bad idea because they're falling uncontrolled but I guess when they say no animals were harmed they mean well they fell but they didn't break anything yeah that's probably what they mean Noel Marshall is like running in between them. Noel Marshall's his name.

Yeah, you said Neil Marshall before, which is the director of the new hellboy and also the dissent. Yes. So Noel Marshall, but he's like running in between the lions and he gets bit at one point and he was really bad. And he was trying to get like close-ups of his hand bleeding with like a hole in it. Like the guy was actually nuts making this movie. Yeah. Oh yeah, no health and safety standards. There's just, this film could not exist in any other time aside from that kind of stint in the 70s when it was shot.

This is, it took like boyhood length of time to make, didn't it? It took a decade's worth of filming. Basically, the start of this was that they were adopting rescue lions and tigers and whatever. So the Noel Marshall and Tippy Hedron were married at the time and their two kids, their kids were the kids in the movie. So they literally just filmed their family. and these kids and this family had actually spent the last like almost decade living with these big cats anyway. So they were already used to it in a climate type. Like these kids grew up in this environment, which is a terrible idea even if you're not filming a movie,

which is a really fucking stupid idea to just have your kids like growing up with these wild animals obviously. And they're untrained. And so they just basically like improvise the whole fucking movie. They had like this vague idea of. a script and things that they wanted to get done. But really, they just, like, they took the plot of each scene, or I guess the conclusion of each scene, just wherever the animals took them. So, like, if they got bit, they just were like, okay, I guess that's a part of it.

Like, my character got bit now. Or, like, they sank the boat. They were, like, three or four boats that just got fucking destroyed. Yeah, they would try to have dialogue, and then the boat would just, you know, capsized. An elephant attack some at one point, and they're, like, they're just, they just, they It's just like running away. Yeah. But those parts are funny, even though it's like,

oh, it's hilarious. People are getting hurt. Yeah. It's so bizarre. It's just so bizarre to watch. It's almost in the same vein as like cringe humor for me. Because I'm getting like a really visceral emotional reaction from this. It is top notch.

It is very intense. And I think that like, you know, I don't know how much of a comedy that they were playing this off as. Maybe they thought the whole thing was just fucking hilarious. Like, ha ha, this family. about to get eaten maybe you know it's not going to happen because it's a movie but even though it's like literally happening in real life and uh yeah i mean if they were going for fear or thriller aspects i would say that that was done successfully i'm glued to the edge of my seat the

whole time watching this fucking movie you're terrified more for the actors than the characters in the scene i mean it's one of the same you know yeah it seems very real their reactions like when they're being attacked. Except that one kid. She's getting bit by the lion. She's yelling like, mom, mom, we get this all for me. The one son with the black hair, I could not buy his reaction, even though it was actually happening for him.

I guess he got too used to the lions. But like, he was not a good actor. I mean, it's just like the director's family, right? So, I mean, Tippi Hedron's an actress, obviously. Yeah. But in that chaos of the movie, it really highlights, or I found it highlights the intelligence of the animals. of incredible scenes like where

he's kind of communicating with that one lying in the hallway and it goes on for like minutes just just kind of talking to the animal and showing off just everything that they're capable of maybe in a unfair situation but like they've shot it we might as well enjoy what they did from the event you know

and so address like the the moral implications of it but you're just not going to see anything else like this I've never seen a film quite like this before it's just so unique kind. Yeah, so. I think the point of it's supposed to be like a pro-environmental, pro-nature. Yeah. Like, animals are beautiful and everything like that. Yeah. At the end, there's like these

songs, yeah, there's like these songs he sings like, nature is great. Yeah. And it's just, it's really corny, but it's really funny. And, you know, it's mixed in with these horrifying scenes, but that's, I guess it's just the way lines are, you know, you can't really tell them what to do. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. Because, I mean, like they obviously have a love for these animals because they like saved rescued quote unquote and then raised them right so well there was a storm at some point during the production i think that delayed delayed delayed it too and some of the animals got killed from that you know so that's horrible there were all these things that they just kept going wrong and on a movie like this what they did yeah

i don't know if they did more harm than good you know with all this stuff i guess we forgot to mention They did save the animals, so I guess something good came out of it. Something we forgot to mention is that the estimated amount of cast and crew members that were injured on set is over 70. That's a lot. The cinematographer got scalped. Yeah. There's like a photo of his scalp, like just hanging off his head online. Yeah.

And somehow nobody died. Somehow, yeah. Yeah, I thought this was going to be like a grizzly man type thing where it was about someone. who lost it at the end, but it's just one step off, like, snuff. It's not quite, though. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, if that were the case, then it would be a documentary being made about this film that never got released sort of thing.

Right. What makes this not a snuff movie? Like, because it could easily be seen as that or be seen as cruel. But why is it, like, a comedic thing? Like, why do we enjoy it? Probably because the characters fucking suck so much. Probably because they, like, they hide. in a barrel and fall into the water like

30 fucking times. It's the same fucking slapstick three stooges bullshit the entire movie just with real lions. It's so funny how bad they suck. It's like oh come on like they're so stupid. Every single character is just a complete dumbass. I can't figure out what their goals were like they escaped

them and they just go and sleep in a cabin like right next to them and then they were larping in the night. Yeah. I'm falling again oh no. It's like kids on a playground but with real lions. It's so bizarre I really wasn't expecting

That element of the film To be the entire movie Even after watching Ralph's video I was like oh okay So like I know about this movie There's a bunch of untrained big cats And people are running around with them And they almost die

I assumed that would be like 30 minutes of the film But it's the whole movie really It's like a bit of an intro And the entire movie is them running around With fucking big cats almost dying for like an hour and a half for whatever.

Yeah. Just a 40 minutes. Yeah. Seemingly almost dying, but I can't really tell like what's scripted and what isn't, like where fiction ends and where like the real stuff starts. And that's what makes it so interesting.

Almost like it is a documentary. Yeah. It is kind of groundbreaking like that. No other movie like it. It's one of those things where I highly doubt that this film knew what it was going to be. Like it wasn't trying to be this. It's kind of unintentional. What was there in gold just for?

it to be a kind of a naturalist piece. Yeah, as long as it's kind of pro nature, you know, as long as that message gets across, which I guess it does with the music and the comedy. I don't know how you can miss it, to be honest. Yeah, there's like lots of nice scenes with lions too, you know, they're just

kind of running around in like a habitat. Yeah, you're like, oh, that's nice. I think that Noel Marshall and Tippyhedron are just fucking psychopaths that love these animals so much, and they decided, well, you know, we're movie people why don't we make a movie about this crazy life we're already living we have this

crazy resource of all these animals that nobody else has we could make this crazy unique movie because we you know we've already live with them these are you know we got them for free right now we don't have to pay to get a bunch of animals in grizzly man too like grizzly man is a that guy reminds me of noel marshal yeah and i wonder if he's seen this and like was inspired by it or something it's like that same kind of mindset like so in love with nature and I'm going to fill myself with nature for I guess educational

like pro environmental purposes spread a good message but it's dangerous to do this stuff yeah they're like guising the kind of mental problems by yeah exactly it's like an outlet even if you feel like you can properly

communicate with a species of animal that doesn't really matter because I feel like it can properly communicate with human beings but one in every however many human beings are complete fucking assholes, right? You don't think that's the same for animals, even if you think that you can like properly communicate with them. Like, you know how they behave.

That's like in general. All it takes is one bad apple. All it takes is one that just like fucking sucks to ruin your day or your life. Which is what happened with Goosey mammals, isn't it? One rogue bear that he didn't really like anyway. I was really hungry. Oops. Terrifying.

Yeah. So this is what, like, movie producers get up to in their spare time then. I just make these big cat sanctaries. These psychos, yeah, these crazies. That was their life. What is the link with that? There's a few, it was a producer on a couple of projects, the Exorcist being the biggest one of No, obviously.

But I suppose that's where he got some of those initial funds for. Yeah, I guess he was a producer. Just the amount of food required to feed all these cats and take care of them to some kind of standard. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't, I don't know what they're. financial situation was before they started this project but they like basically went broke doing it is what I saw from the special features anyway yeah so it's not like they were just fucking loaded billionaires or whatever I don't know maybe they were exaggerating they had money they basically wasted

all of it on this yeah I mean this sucked up all their money yeah between the the production and all the animals and feeding them and the habitat taking care of it you know you had to feed all these lines too imagine feeding 150 lions like yeah i think i read it was like four grand a week or something back then that would have been in the 70s too yeah damn it's nuts oh my god it's like this is like better than tiger king in my opinion yeah i was just about that so what's that tiger king thing because that's kind of popped up and it reminded me right yeah i didn't see tiger king i saw maybe 20 minutes of it yeah so is that similar like what what's the story of that Well, it involves another crazy man who loves big cats, although he's basically just got them on an American reserve or whatever you want to call it.

It's basically like a zoo he has. And I forget which state. And the reason why that documentary is so successful is because it came out on Netflix right when everybody started getting locked in, locked down for COVID. So everybody saw it. But also, it's a pretty good, like, character thing. It's a good character series. These characters are really, really wacky, and it's like, oh, wow, they did this,

and some of the parts are quotable. It's kind of silly, and it's fun. But I would watch Roar again sooner. I feel like I got everything I could have out of Tiger King. I don't know if all... Roar is also shorter. Yeah. Tiger King is a bit of a commitment.

But there's nothing insane in that documentary like this. Like, you're not fearing for anyone's life throughout the entire thing. more of a focus in raw, whereas the people are more of a focus in Tiger King. Yeah, exactly. Part of the reason why it's so clear that so much of what we experience from this movie is just unintentional, is just how bad a lot of the other aspects are. Like, some of the dialogue is really troll two level. Some of it's so bad.

Look what the cat dragged in. And the, like, inconsistent audio, the editing and color and lighting changes. The acting. Yeah. What? Just like sometimes the audio just cuts out like abruptly. Just immediately. The actors usually seem afraid of the cats, which is understandable.

But yeah. You know, that's like they're, that's the one emotion they have for the entire movie. Very bad editing and like just this, there's barely any story. It's literally just like, ah, well, I'm over here with some lions. My family wants to come over too. Oh, it looks like they showed up and I wasn't there when they were. showed up because I'm a fucking asshole and now they're there without me

and now I'm gonna go back there and now it's okay because they're like oh these things didn't want to kill us they just wanted to be friends yay it's like all they did was change their perspective and everything's like better they like destroyed

everything they destroyed the entire fucking reserve or house or whatever everything's like trashed like there's characters that are dead those two bad guys that wanted to kill one of them, like, like, I mean. Oh, yeah, that whole subplot was, like, so rushed.

It's weird. Those characters. The one bad lion, who was a jerk. Yeah, the bad lion. Oh, yeah. He had a black man. Which they obviously ripped off of Kimba, but. Yeah, I didn't realize that lions could look like Scar Mill Life.

Life. I thought that was just a Disney movie thing. Yeah, apparently, um, apparently the more testosterone-filled dominant lions have darker mains. It's like one of the signals for, yeah. They're like leaders, more aggressive sort of thing.

Or just like bigger jerks. Did you like the elephant scene? The elephant scene was great. The elephant scene was great. It was one of the highlights. Because you think it's going to be friendly, but then it like destroys the other. Everything's out to kill them.

It's like, I don't know. There's like a lot of different animals. Like was the elephant trying to be their friend too? Like what the fuck? it destroyed their boat. I don't really know what the moral of this film is. The message by the end of it is so bizarre. Yeah, because they're like,

don't be scared of big cats is what they say. Like, as you just said, like, oh, they didn't want to eat us after all. So there's the message like, they're cool. So go out and get your tiger today. Josh. Yeah, I just don't recommend people go get tigers. Yeah, it's a bad idea.

You can get a cat or a dog. Yeah. A parrot. Yeah, for movies too. Like, you know, a dog could be in a movie. Like, dogs are good actors, right? Airbud and Beethoven. Like that Aladdin movie, they should have gotten a real parrot.

Yeah. Instead of a CGI parrot. Not a real monkey. Yeah, a monkey. What about that? Like, I think, I don't know the whole monkey thing. I don't know if it's cruel or not to make the monkeys actors. But, like, the Hangover 2 had a really good monkey actor.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know, you know, I don't know monkey, like, union rules. But we are monkeys. Do you think the Indiana Jones monkey was treated right? Yeah, I wonder. Was that one CGI? In the fourth one?

No, I was that... In the first one, it was poisoned. Oh, okay, yeah. I thought you met the fourth one that this scene was Shilabuff when he's like on the vines. I'm sure the monkeys will unionize at some point. I hope so. All right. What would you...

I think we're done talking about this crazy fucking movie. Everybody should go see it. It's absolutely insane. It's nuts. Yeah. I've seen it many times in my life because it's so, like, interesting. And documentaries about it, too. There's like documentaries about it.

Those I watch more, too. Because, you know, you get the background of the guy and everything. I give it five stars. So I'll stick with that. Awesome. I'm giving this one a eight out of ten. It's absolutely insane. And even though my enjoyment from it is probably unintentional from the film.

it's still very unique, very visceral. Emotions are just wild throughout the film. It's a very unique experience. Yeah, I'm a little bit lower than you guys. I'd give this about a seven, I think, for me. But I do appreciate the experience. It's a very unique one, as we've already said, and that is the value from it.

I would recommend watching it maybe with a person or two, because I found the fun to be kind of reading about it while watching it, cringing at it with them, and sharing like just the craziness of everything that's happening. But yeah, I would recommend especially with it being on YouTube and just on YouTube for free, like high quality. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I just searched the movie on YouTube because that's, yeah, I've been starting to do that now

because they're just popping up more and more, like just full movies. I think I'm even the good, the bad and the ugly and that lot was on YouTube and people on Reddit was sharing it. That's good. Very nice. I had to find a copy of it, you know. Like I had to get it on Blu-ray. I got the Blu-ray.

I couldn't find it online. I had a hard time, like, finding it. Yeah, there are certain movies that are just a real pain, especially in the UK, to find any form of. So I was glad to see that. Yeah, that's why I wonder all the legality of this stuff. I know. Because it should be readily available.

Well, yeah, if it was just on iTunes, and I could pay for it. I'd love to. Yeah, there's that too. Like, it bombed when it came out. I think it costs like 20 million or something close to that, and it made like 2 million. So, yeah.

And producers were really, they didn't even know how to market it. they're like, what is this? Yeah. What the fuck is this movie? Like, it's just, it's 90 minutes of people getting attacked by lions. Yeah. The 2015 re-release trailer was like basically capitalizing off the controversy. It was like, this is how many crew members got injured was the trailer for the 2015 re-release.

It's like, okay, we know what the movie is now. Yeah, I'm not even quite sure what to make of it, though. But that's what makes it interesting. That's why it's great. Yeah, it's definitely worth a watch. Yeah. All right. I guess we're moving on to the film recommendation from Alex.

It's a spoiler discussion. Yeah. So spoilers for the guest. 2014 movie by Adam's favorite director, Adam Wingard. There's no good director named Adam. Written by Simon Barrett. They tend to work together as a team on a lot of projects. I like VHS, you're next.

VHS too. But the guest is a story simply about a guest who shows up who claims to be linked to a recent military loss. He says he knows him and fought with him. So of course they accept him into the home and try to get to know him a bit. But things start happening and he isn't quite, he doesn't turn out to be quite what he seems.

And it's sort of a, I guess, homage to 80s kind of John Carpenter type movies, a bit of horror, thriller type stuff. It's very much trying to go for what Your Next was doing with the Home Invasion movie to try and be a bit more of a clever example of one of those kind of movies. And unfortunately, I had this rated as a seven originally. I watched it in 2014, I haven't seen it six. And I didn't nearly enjoy it as much. I didn't find it to be, yeah, I'm kind of disappointed myself.

I was hoping I would enjoy it more, if anything. But I found it to just be okay, just kind of okay, mediocre. I was wishing that I could have seen this kind of premise in the hands of someone with a bit more personality and character. You know, I really think that this 80s thing could have been explored with a bit more vision. I had a very similar reaction. Oh, wow. Really? Alex.

Yeah. So we've all been. I did too. But I still liked the movie. I still liked it. Yeah. Adam's Evil laughing. Yeah, I never got annoyed with it.

I'd say, yeah. And I noticed the John Carpenter, like, the font is, like, very obvious. And there's, like, some shots that are, like, I've seen in other movies. Yeah, the references aren't, they're a little on the nose. They're, like, maybe I didn't notice them when I first saw it. But now it's kind of, it feels a little unoriginal, I guess. 2014 was, like, peak 80s jerk off. But it was, like, right in the time, everything was right.

Drive was 2011, and then everybody copied it. Yeah, because I was, I remember listening. to load to that synth wave stuff around that time and being really into it. So it's probably well quite into this movie. A big reason why it was so well received at the time. Like, I know there's a lot of people that still love it regardless, but do you think that that's a part of your enjoyment? Yeah, the soundtrack choice is definitely really good in the movie.

I'm not going to take that away from it. I enjoyed the music. I like the soundtrack choice, but I'm just confused as to, like, the film doesn't really have much personality beyond it just being an homage to the 80s where I feel like something like it follows, which is going for something very similar, but is much better, more original,

taking the horror genre in a much more kind of creative way. Yeah, so my experience with this film is like, with this, both this and you're next, like I don't really feel much of the homage or some might say satirical elements of the film at all. And so I wound up actually like,

before this discussion between me watching it, most recently in this discussion, I wound up actually looking at the red letter media video where Jay interviews the writer. And so my goal watching that is like, I want to see the writer talk about the homage or satirical elements. My initial goal was to get like a copy of the DVD or Blu-ray,

but like they were just so hard to find they wouldn't show up at time. Because there's a director's commentary on that, which I would have loved to have heard from actually Adam Wingard. But yeah, yeah, I mean like they, the homage elements are there. Apparently, Adam Wingard wanted to make a film that was like Terminator meets Halloween 3. That was his initial idea. And then the writer wanted to make

some sort of like post-war drama. And then they just kind of combine the two ideas together. When watching a film like this, like, I would much rather have an homage that is a stylistic homage. And the writer made it clear in this red letter media video that they don't like doing those things. And so when I think of like good slasher homage kind of things or like horror homage kind of things, I'm not thinking of your next. I'm thinking of something more along the lines of, I don't know, House of the Devil or something where it's like a clear stylistic choice along with the plot. Because if it's just the plot to me, it's like it's difficult to separate that from just like any other dumb horror movie. So like if you're making an homage to a generation of horror films,

where things were more stupid and you just make a stupid movie and call it an homage. That's what it feels like to me. That's what that's genuinely what it feels like. And I know it's like, yeah, there's synth wave. Yeah, you have the font choice at the beginning. They also did that in fucking Strangers Pray at Night. It seemed like an afterthought. It seemed like they literally just threw that into the fucking movie because it was popular at the time.

Like, I don't see how I should be praising either of these two Adam Wingard films for being omages any more than I should be praising. like the 2010 Frozen Ski Lift movie for being an homage to other horror movies. It's like, yeah, it's a fucking dumb horror movie. They're stuck in one spot and they're going to die. Like, I just don't get that much from it. I think this is a better homage than like Frozen. I do think it's a good homage to those kinds of movies in some ways.

And I did like enjoy it. I think Dan Stevens is really good in it also. I think that's kind of what ties the only thing to. Everybody says that and I have to disagree so hard. I could not stand it's a very goofy film and I enjoyed his like over the top performance and I really enjoyed him at first and enjoyed following him and then that he becomes the villain kind of halfway through. This is what confuses me so badly is because like I I'm struggling to understand which elements of this film are taken seriously and which ones are for comedy because apparently parts are supposed to be for comedy. My first experience watching this movie was watching it on TV like you know it was just I was just I was was like, oh, let's watch this movie on VOD.

And I kind of watched it as like a, like a crappy action movie you'd watch on VOD, like, in that context. But it had like all these cool moments and homages and soundtrack choices. And I enjoyed Dan Stevens performance. And Michael Monroe, too, was also in It Follows. I thought she was good. So I did like, I was invested in what was going on. It was just, there were some characters, I thought, that were kind of one dimensional.

It should have been flushed out more like the son or the parents. that probably would have added more and maybe the post-war kind of element should have been fleshed out more too to make it actually like dramatic and like resonant in some way but it really just kind of feels like an afterthought halfway through it. They're just like they abandon it

and becomes like a stupid like a spy like he escaped from a facility and he just starts shooting everyone so I don't even know why that was really an element in the movie. If I were to try and guess which elements of the film are supposed to be played for laughs and which aren't I would be completely wrong. And that's what I discovered when I was watching through that red letter media interview is like,

he's talking about like when the mom gets stabbed in the kitchen. He's like, yeah, that's funny. We both thought that was funny. The writer and the director. I was like, what, that's supposed to be played for left? And then he's talking about Dan Stevens's character saying that he's like, oh, yeah, well, we needed to have a justification for why the family would invite him in. That was the toughest hurdle of the script.

And so we have this character that's really charming and believe, and stuff like that. I'm just like he's not charming at all like every single thing that this character is doing he does he's basically an inch short of just winking at the fucking camera funny game style the entire fucking movie. I'm like this isn't charming he's a creep the entire movie he's just sitting with this kid doing his homework he's not even really fucking helping just like fucking like on the floor doing nothing just like it's so bizarre and stupid I can't take it seriously and I don't know what I'm supposed to take seriously the 16 year old kid acted like he acted like a 10 year old just like how lame he was and how Dan Stevens kind of had to hold his hand. Like, oh, this, this is a knife. Like, look at how he used it.

Whoa. He's such a cool guy. He has a knife and he used it to cut open a pumpkin into a cool knife. This guy's cool. But in the world of this movie, where every character is like that, basically, except Mika Monroe, like, that works fun. I thought he was the most charming character in the whole thing. Like, he enters the bar and he orders the, like, the shot and splashes it in the guy's face.

I can't stand it. The entire time the film is insisting on how. cool he is and that just makes him so fucking lame to me at no point do I think that this character is cool because they're constantly fucking slashing it yeah like I ordered the spicy even with like the music cues and everything there's a point where he's like he kind of does a fake out on a guy where he's trying to scare him but he's like oh I'm just fucking with you man but the music at that point's like like there's this like building suspense it's like telling you how to feel

we're in like the same scene in Goodfellas so Joe Pesci just trying to be intimidating they don't put music at all and it's much better Yeah, it's so it's so obnoxious and obvious. There's nothing really subtle about the movie. It's just confusing for me to watch and like this is just an example of something where if you get it, you get it and if you don't get it, you don't. Because I don't know. I'm struggling to understand just like how I'm supposed to feel differently about this movie than any other just like shitty dumb thriller horror movie or whatever genre you want to call it. Because I feel like I've seen other things like this that are just as stupid that people don't. don't like nearly as much. And I don't understand why this one out of all of them is supposed to be like separated into this. Well, it's actually a good movie sort of thing. I really don't get it.

I guess because he was praised for the self-awareness type angle since you're next, even though it's not that clear. Yeah, I really don't like the ending, especially of the guest with, you know. It ends just like that movie about the blind guy that came out fairly recently as like the same like horror movie cliche end. but is it supposed to be a spin on it with her like saying what the it's like the same ending they just made an 80s movie basically without incorporating more modern you know advancements and storytelling i kept thinking about the world's em by edgar wright which is kind of channeling the same like it's an ode to old science fiction type

cinema and that kind of thing but at the same time there's a new cast of characters there are surprises along the way you're not really expecting I think it's just like it's just lacking any any depth beyond the concepts that I don't care about any of the characters really. I completely agree. Yeah, it's just about this is an 80s movie. We've just made an 80s movie

and here you go. Exactly. Yeah. But like a lot of these 80s, like he didn't make something the same caliber as the Terminator like each one. No, no. Yeah, like if you're not going to make something like as good

then like I think I think that there's a difference for me between the word homage and the word satire. And I'm comfortable with people using the word homage to describe this film. I don't know why anyone would use the word satire to describe this film. Because satire implies a much clearer level of, like, criticism towards the genre rather than just doing it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's more of an homage or just copying it. Yeah. If you want to call it that. Like he just did some 80s movies and people were like, we haven't seen those in a while. This is great. Well, because it comes, it seems like he understands these movies. Like, I get a sense that he's actually watched them and enjoys them genuinely.

And I like that the story actually takes turns that I wasn't expecting, like, Dan Stevens becoming the villain and whatever. I think that was supposed to be their, like, fresh take on it, their justification for this movie existing. That was a turn? That was a twist? I thought so. I thought it was like so fucking obvious. It's slow. Like, at first, when he comes in, he's like a really likable character and he has that nice scene with the line.

And the music implies otherwise. The music heavily implies that he's like sinister. There's always this under the movie's called the guest and it's a horror movie. So there's always this underlying like, yeah, obviously he's going to, yeah, he's suspicious. But at first he's very unsuspecting, which is why like later I thought the scene where he kills the mom was supposed to be like sad. Like that scene was shocking. And yet the director and writers are saying that they found it funny. So it's like what the fuck is going on?

That's the confusing part. Because like the scene they had was very like emotional. It was like very personal. I know, right? That's why I'm so confused. Yeah. Because like that to me is like, how is that? Is that supposed to be for last?

Apparently. What? It's like the direction is so clear or unclear in terms of like what I'm supposed to be getting from it. And like, yeah, I guess that's just another reason why I wasn't really into it is because I from the very beginning I was like, yeah, he's the bad guy. Is it implying something else? Like, I don't know.

Like apparently everybody else got a completely different experience watching it than I did. So. just some movies like he his voice Adam Wingard as a filmmaker I do not connect with it all like it am I supposed to take the the dumb smiling scream

scenes from death note is satirical am I supposed to take the the final destination style gore kills in Death Note is like some sort of homage like what's going on like he just makes bad movies like that's all he is to be Death Note gave him a lot of bad attention

I think a lot of his like I guess tricks you could call it, like the use of music. Like music is just plopped onto that Death Note movie. And I think that made me appreciate like the soundtrack and this less or maybe make me see through it. And like his like just the references and all that. I still like the movie though. Yeah. Do we want to get into some positives of this film?

We haven't mentioned there's only $5 million budget. So it's a very small scale production. That's cool. I think they do a pretty good job with that money. I don't think, I think it looks better than like a $5 million. I think it's an entertaining movie. It's maybe shallow, but I think it's entertaining. I like Stan, I still like Dan Stevens in a lot.

I think he's so awesome in it. Yeah, I just don't feel that. It scratches the surface a little bit for me. When he fully embraces the kind of Terminator-style just execution thing, that was when I was entertained by the character. Like, when he's buying the guns, it's so stupid and over the time. It's kind of funny to me. And that did feel like a genuine, like, that was just taken straight out of the 80s kind of scene.

and I get the appeal of that kind of thing. But I'm just not really after that anymore. I'm looking for a bit more oomph to the stories I want to win just. Definitely. Yeah, it's just a, if you feel it, you feel it, if you don't feel it, you don't. I'm just everything that anybody else is entertained by in this film. I am annoyed by. I am frustrated by it.

And I totally get it because it's a little, like, it's just obnoxious sometimes. Yeah. It comes across. Just the acting of the extras sometimes, even. Mm-hmm. Beep. Yeah, I hear like this truck outside. It's okay.

Do we want to wait? It can't possibly be backing up forever. Yeah. Yeah, he's driving by slowly. He's almost gone. Okay. Yeah, I don't hear it anymore. Yeah, he's getting fainter.

Okay. Yeah, even on a rewatch, it's not like you pick up little secrets that tease the reveals and stuff. Yeah, it doesn't get better. It kind of, yeah, it relies on the kind of secrecy of everything. That all agree work, yeah. On a first watch, it's not. it's like the best experience by far. Yeah.

It's really shallow. That's always kind of a bad sign. If you rewatch a movie and you get nothing more out of it than the first time, you know, then it's not the best. Yeah, I was just so mad. You know what's actually insane, though? As I told you, I tried watching it on an airplane and then gave up and didn't finish the movie. I had learned watching it this time that I actually, sometime between that first one, watch and now I had actually seen the entire movie also but I just completely fucking forgot.

Oh. So I literally like as I was watching I'm like I've seen all of this. So I actually and then I had to remember my roommate told me like yeah I watched it with you. I'm like what the fuck? Like I completely forgot that I'd actually seen the entire movie just because I'm so I'm so bored and uninvested and frustrated and it just it's so nothing to me that I completely just eradicated the entire experience from my mind. And so this is the third watch, two and a half, I guess.

And yeah, it doesn't get any better. It doesn't have many great or memorable scenes. And when I think about strong scenes in the movie, the only part that really stands out in my mind is that kind of last act where all the action begins with Lance Hendon showing up. Yeah, just shoot the guy from under the bed, do a worse job at it than Kill Bill, which is also a film that's being an homage, you know.

I thought the action was okay. I thought it was fine. Yeah, yeah. I thought it was, yeah, did the job. It had some fun blood and gore, but the sound effects were so fucking over the top and distracting, which maybe I guess you could call an homage, but what's the difference between that

and any other bad movie that he's made that isn't an homage, right? What's the difference between that and the bad sound effects and fucking Frozen 2010? Like, if you're not differentiating yourself by just being a bad movie and then just say, oh yeah, it's an homage, whenever it's something bad happens, like, yeah, 80s horror movies were kind of bad in ways.

There were some dumb things. It's an o'm I guess. But it's not a unique concept, though, either. There's like Tuckerendale versus evil, which is like a comedic take on. Yeah, that's a great satire. Yeah. That one's awesome.

That's a great movie. I love it. There's tons of great homage and satire films. I just don't, I don't see what there is to praise about Adam Wingard's when he's just doing the same thing and that's it. Like you just, if you made a movie in the 80s, then it wouldn't be an homage. You would have made the exact same thing. Well, it's like an 80s movie with a 2014 skin over it, which kind of takes all the personality

out of it. Exactly. It doesn't have a style. You want the 80s movie to kind of look like an 80s movie. Yeah, it's very flat visually in terms of that kind of stuff. It's just a movie set in 2014 kind of shot like a basic 2014 looking movie with a synth soundtrack. It didn't really make me want to watch an action movie from the 80s after it.

Like after I watched Sean the Dead, I feel like, watching Dawn of the Dead or something yeah hafuzz like you get excited for like that genre of this one I was just like I wanted to go to sleep yeah I was so tired I was like okay I guess that was fine and even if we're talking about the elements like the music basically so again more things I learned from watching the interview with the writer basically Adam Winger just had a list of like synthwave songs he's like okay find a way we can use this find a way we can use this etc etc oh you play this on the radio it sounds good dialogue like that

there's way too many scenes where like music is cut off so yeah there's just like they're playing music and it's just abruptly cut they do like five times some of the editing is obnoxious and like yeah I guess if you've never seen that type of cut before it would just be groundbreaking or something but yeah the

the way that the music is used in the film also kind of pissed me off a little because the writer's explaining how the character from the girl from it follows whatever her name is, I forget. She's supposed to be seen as this sort of like outcast. She wants to leave this small town sort of thing.

And the writer was saying that the music that she listens to in this synth wave genre is supposed to differentiate herself from the rest of the town. Like, she listens to this genre. Like, this is her music. But not only is she listening to it, and not only is it in the film's soundtrack. It's in the fucking bar. And this bar is like, this is a small town. bar, all the seats and aesthetic are just like wooden. This is basically like a country bar.

You'd imagine a place like this playing like rock, some sort of rock music, maybe, maybe country. But this place is playing synthwave too. And it's like, okay, well, that kind of ruins the exact goal that you said you had for the character in this interview that you're giving on Red Letter Media's channel. You said that she's supposed to be differentiated from the rest of her environment by the music. And yet the entire rest of the film, including other physical locations in the film play the same music. It's all the same. It's just like, it's so annoying.

Yeah, I noticed that specifically. This is what I mean about the way the 80s stuff is incorporated. It doesn't seem to have much place within this story, really. It's just there to be an homage. Isn't this cool? To build its own. Yeah. It came out at the right time before people realized just how many people were doing this

schick. Before it became so obvious that it was a huge cliche in the 2010s to do, homage 80s synthwave soundtrack. It came out just before people were becoming aware of it. Stranger Things was after, I think. I don't know. Yes, that was 2016. So, yeah, it was this whole period of just everything going for this kind of...

They got it out quick enough before people noticed. Stranger Things is much better, too. Like, that's really impressive, like, really well-done storytelling in that really original. All the acting is great in that, like, the characters are really flushed out. Well, they're original characters that have their own kind of interest. arcs. There's really none of that here. I don't care about this main family beyond just the over-the-top nature of violence. That you have three seasons of television. Here it's all pretty quick and I just wish that, like, that's the biggest thing for me. I just wish the characters

were better. I just wish they, I actually, like, cared about them. Like, the son character just, he was so stupid. He was so annoying. He was so dumb. He was an idiot and dumb the whole time. And I just wish he wasn't. Like that could have been such a great dynamic. I don't feel like his character was fleshed out at all. Because like at the beginning of the movie, he looks like, he looks like he might just be like one of those like kind of like, I don't know, like weird

autistic kids or something. And he just like doesn't have any friends. He's like antisocial or whatever. Yeah, he's thrown into a locker. But it never touches on like him being like a nerd or a smart character. He looks like just kind of like, you know, like maybe skips class and just like does his own thing sort of kid. But, but

But then at the end of the movie, they're like, you're good with computers, right? It's like, oh, well, that wasn't really established. Like, I thought he was having, like, difficulty with his homework that he needed help earlier in the film. Like, that doesn't seem like the same. Yeah, that reminds me, a drastic park. Yeah, like... It's a unique system. Yeah.

Yeah, all of a sudden he's like a computer whiz, I guess. Yeah, the thing that distracted me about that guy is just how much he looks like, clearly Grace Moretz. Oh, really? Oh, that's funny. Oh, now that you pointed out, it's so obvious, yeah. I was thinking of the guy. for Stranger Things.

Google his face. Yeah, it's weird. I can see it right now. I'm not even Googling the face. The guy from the Stranger Things, whatever his name is. Genuinely. Someone on the Reddit will do a side by side. Trust me, it's really distracting.

I just like, are you allowed to just get away with the film being stupid by calling it an homage? Are you allowed to just get away with it? Loads of films do it. What was that one? Was it called like Turbo Kid or something? Yeah, Turbo Kid. embracing the kind of 80s silliness. It's just not that

unique of a concept, you know? I just didn't buy any of the characters or their motivations or anything. It also just seemed so fucking artificial and fake. Every single moment of this film. I couldn't get into anything that was going on. Like, I didn't buy that

she would invite him to the party. I found it stupid that the little boy was like covering up actual fucking murders for him. Like, there's just so much about this. Like, man there was like that that attempted cool shot at the fucking party where they're following around the dude in a fucking furry outfit or whatever and it's like maybe like less than 10 seconds of this like follow shot but it's like oh man something almost cool happened if it was just longer you know if it was more like a it's like half a percent of like the long shot from magnolia basically but it's just like it's so short that it didn't really do anything yeah How did you feel about the exposition in the movie? Like the way they trickle the reveal of the main character, the guest.

And there's a scene early on where they kind of show the military guys in the boardroom coming together. Yeah. And I felt like it kind of really robs a lot of the mystery or surprise away from the movie because it kind of implies what the secret is, I'd say. I think it would be much more effective if it kind of stayed on the family and the characters. and didn't leave that until the end. So then when the military kind of did show up, it added like an extra sense of tension to it

if you didn't really know what was going on so explicitly. I did like how they didn't feel the need to fully over-explain it. But then in the same sense, they kind of ruin that mystery by just saying, like, yeah, we're like experiments gone wrong or whatever. It was handled so sloppily. It was just, it felt so stupid. I just feel like there's a way you could reveal a character

and tell this kind of story in a really, satisfying way. Like the, I keep bringing up Edgar Wright, but in hot fuzz, like, part of the story, like, spoilers, if you haven't seen it, is like the town is not what it seems to be, like, in the same way that the guest is not what he seems to be. But the way that, like, works itself into the story and just the pacing. Intricantly woven. It affects the characters.

Yeah, and then when you rewatch the movie, you pick up so many secrets and details and foreshadowing. There's so much depth to it. So many callbacks. None of that here. Just adds to the humor. adds to the experience. In this film, it's just like,

I'm just annoyed at every turn. Like, you can't honestly just call up the fucking military and ask for information on a soldier. You can't do that. They wouldn't even get to the point where they're searching. They would say, excuse me, this is classified information. You're not just allowed to ask about somebody and

get their information. They wouldn't even get to the point where they were searching. Yeah. The parents just play oblivious to the whole situation. I guess that's a reference to the 80s, but it just makes no sense in this context when like people are getting killed like the guy's boss gets killed at some point the dad turns out there's a serial killer in town yeah he's like oh but i get a promotion it's like is this supposed to be a comedy scene i guess it's just like the the accidents in what fuzz

where it's just about like people misinterpreting accidents yeah except it's very unclear he comes home and he's like seriously depressed he's like going for a drink it's like what the hell's going on. It's not played for like a laugh. It might be. It might be because I have no... I think it is. You ask the writer and director and it's just like, I don't know what's supposed to be funny in this movie.

What is and what isn't? Like there are parts that are funny because they're bad to me. I don't know how they feel about the movie. I'm just like so disconnected from their experience. It's insane. Yeah, but I just don't believe these characters, that they wouldn't piece this together or that they wouldn't believe their kids or do anything about this.

It's just, she runs back in the house when, like, the police come and start shooting at Dan Stevens instead of, like, running away, like, in a field. Yeah, she sides with him. Yeah, she sides with him. What was the fucking budget for that Halloween setup at the school? This is a high school. This was, like, a professional, like, carnival Halloween thing. Also, there would be fucking side exits. You can't honestly design something, especially for a high school where you have to go through a fucking maze to get to from one place to another, and there's no other way to go through.

that's a massive fire hazard and then a fire does happen everybody's fucking stupid this doesn't make any sense everybody's a moron yeah no i agree yeah no as i say i'm i kind of feel like i'm letting down the the fans a little bit because the whole reason they wanted this discussion to happen was because we're supposed to have different opinions but we're all kind of down on the same line i hate it more it's my opinion yeah you do hate it more because i i think it's not like i love this film though Yeah, that's the thing. When a film is so mediocre like this, it is hard to defend it. You know, if you just have no passion for it.

Yeah. Because, like, I mean, like, even the people that love it, I don't think that there's much coming from, like, that discussion other than just, like, the emotional experience behind it. Like, when I'm watching Jay from Red Letter Media, bless his soul, he's basically just saying the entire time, like, yeah, this was awesome. this was cool. Like,

he definitely got an emotional experience out of it. And that's a perfectly valid reason to love a movie. And I'm not trying to imply that his reasons for liking it are not valid. I just think that, like, in terms of, like, an emotional experience,

because I'm not connected to it at all, I don't really have much that I can't appreciate about this film, like, really at all. Like, I'm the most, most of what I'm supposed to get out of it is just feeling, that was cool or that was fun,

or I like this or I like that, but I don't. And so when I don't, And it's impossible for me, too. What do I have? That's how it feels. Yeah, if it doesn't remind you of that thing you love, then there isn't really that much you to love about it.

And if you haven't seen those things, it's kind of just a rip-off of those other movies. It doesn't offer anything new. You're just getting that same experience, you know? You're better off watching Terminator or something. Yeah, I'd rather watch something more genuine. With the same font. Watch the thing.

It has the same font. Or is it Halloween? Oh, yeah. or any of the countless other examples of movies going for this same thing, that do it a lot better. You have a lot of choice at this point. Yeah. Adam Wingered, everybody.

He's doing a remake. Well, he's doing Godzilla versus Kong, I guess. He's also doing an American remake because Death Note went so well of I Saw the Devil. The South Korean film that I really enjoyed was on my 2010 list, I believe. Yeah, he's doing a remake of I Saw the Devil. Such an excellent movie. An awesome film. Yeah.

I'm sure he'll handle it so well. Yeah. Adam Wingard, remake of Parasite. You know, we haven't even mentioned the Blair Witch remake that he did. I'm sure everybody fucking forgot about that

in the heartbeat. Oh, my God. Nobody even remembers that exists. God. He really hyped that up too before it came out. Yeah, that was bullshit. Was that where they were wearing

all like little cameras on their heads and shit? It was all like P.O. I couldn't go pro I repressed that from my memory in the same way I did Presents the Blair Witch Couldn't tell you anything about the movie I see I rated it a one on IMDP

That's all I know about it But I definitely watched it The point of the first Blair Witch Is people thought it was real It doesn't work anymore Yeah it was just a remake Without the scary things from Blair Witch Yeah

Yeah But like the content of the movie Was like irrelevant to the fact that people thought it was real Yeah That's why people saw it How did they miss the point of the movie Yeah

It's embarrassing Yeah I mean the Blair Witch Video game actually wasn't that bad I actually kind of enjoyed that Yeah I had the Did you see the sequel Though the Blair Witch 2

Yeah that was bad I remember renting that from the video store It's not like fat footage or anything Yeah 13 14 Just having no idea About how bad sequels can be And then yep

It was a bad movie Yeah that was pretty pretty bad My naivete back then. The guest you want to rate it? Do we have anything else to say about this? Not really to be honest.

I hate to be down on it. Yeah. Adam Winger is a hack. I don't think he's made a single good film. Sorry, everybody. I mean, I was never that hyped on your next. I thought it was just fine. I wasn't either.

So I'm glad we agree on that. Yeah. And then Blair, which is awful, Devnote is awful. I think honestly the guest is probably his best movie.

It is. Seems to be the general consensus, yeah. Yeah. Well, none of us are that enthused by it. There you go,

everybody. That's the discussion on the guest. You wanted to hear me angry, you got it. What's your rating, sorry? Well,

so I don't remember what I rated it at the first. I think I maybe gave it a five just from the half watch on the airplane. Then I think I changed it to like a three or a two. And then I watched it the third time. And I was like, well, it's worse this time. So I gave it a one. And then everybody on the sub, both subreddits got really mad at me. And then I watched the interview with Red Letter Media and understood that even the writer and director, I guess, don't take this movie as seriously as I was interpreting from the film itself. And it's constant fucking, look how cool this is vibe. And so I was like, Okay, well, if you don't even think it's like super great or like I don't even know what they think of the movie honestly, but I actually, I was able to raise my rating a bit just knowing that apparently some parts are supposed to be funny or that they think it's funny anyway. And so I was like, okay, three out of ten.

Not for me. That's the highest I could give it. Okay. This was right down the middle for me. I give this two and a half stars. I think it doesn't really have its own voice. much of a unique take on anything. You can find this type of story

just anywhere at this point. You have so much to choose from. I could go to my grave without ever seen this movie again quite happily. This is a fun action movie. Check it out on Netflix. I give it six out of ten. Oh, is it on Netflix?

Yeah. Oh, cool. Oh, I bought it. Nice. Did you listen to the... Did you buy like a physical copy? No, I bought it on iTunes. I really did want to listen to a,

director's commentary but I would love to listen to a director's commentary but now I don't know if I want to because it wouldn't like we've done the conversations do I really want to sit through that the movie again I think fuck yeah well sorry if I annoyed anybody listening I get a little heated sometimes thanks for the recommendations thanks Alex oh no worries guys so so with new new eyes now there was a thread on the Sardonicast suburb read it a week or so ago and it was like what is everybody's favorite and least favorite episodes and there was one user where like they listed several least favorite episodes and all of them were just the ones where I hated a movie more than both of you like they just did not like yeah

he's not gonna he's not gonna like this one then yeah exactly sorry to add another one to you yeah you'll be right I'm sure some people like listening to us argue though but yeah listen next it's a fun discussion it'll be better yeah we'll see what happens All right. Question time. Okay, let's do some questions from the Sardonicast subreddit. If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer in future, head over there to the suggestion thread and ask us whatever you like.

Let's start with this one from H.R. 6, U.N.R.F. Nyen. What is the most boring film you've ever watched? Not necessarily the worst movie, but the one you were the least invested in. Boring. On the show, Gene Dealman. Oh, really? On the show, like, yeah, I'm not even mad at you for saying that because it's like trying to be boring in a way,

but I got a lot out of it from a second watch. Like, I don't even think that's boring anymore. Yeah, yeah, are we talking about films we've seen for this? Because I guess it would be that by default. Well, yeah, films I've seen for this probably, I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I've got an answer for one that's sticking out in my head. That sounds pretty cool.

Oh, the Star Wars prequels. You hate to watching the Star Wars Great Cool. I mean, that experience was a bit better because I watched it with described audio for the visually impaired. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if I had watched those normally, then yes, that would be my answer. There's a film sticking out to me right now called Cemetery of Splendor by acclaimed Thai, I think, director. A Pichipong was Scythyrr Kroll. Very mouthful of a name.

He won the Palm Door with... Uncle Boone Me, which I also found a bit boring, but it had some redeeming elements. This was unbelievably slow with no redeeming elements, and I could not stand it. A lot of people love this director. I'm just not into it. I found it was just, it's so unnecessarily slow, and I don't get much out of it. Yeah, as far as things that I didn't watch on Sardonicast, because I wouldn't torture you guys with it, but Cars Life 2 was pretty tough to get through, regardless of me.

Cars Life 2. Yeah, there's a lot of boring movies out of Pride Wars. Like, you could, I could make a whole list of them. The past 10 years, the most boring movie I've seen, I believe would have to go to Murder on the Orient Express by Kenneth Brannick. Yeah, I was in the States, and that was playing in theaters, and I, you know, just wanted to see something in theaters, and that was there. So the plus side is American theaters

Some of these chains have like Fucking like reclining lazy boy They have like beds basically in these theaters Yeah it's nice That sounds good America is like the consumerist Wet DREAM you can buy anything Absolutely insane

So that was nice but the movie itself was just like The most boring thing I've ever seen really Yeah Who's who's the director of Murder on the Orient Express movie Yeah Yeah, working with Disney. He's in Dunkirk.

Yeah. I like his Shakespeare stuff. He's in it. Yeah, that was 10, 20 years ago, right? He might pick it up again. How long ago did he direct him? I don't know. We'll see what he does.

But man, that movie was boring. Direct another Thor movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, what a weird guy. There's a Thor Natalie Portman movie coming out. Direct that. All right. Those are my two answers, I guess.

Yeah, we'll leave it there. Barry Benson's side chick has one for us. Which celebrity deaths, if any, have personally impacted you the most. Edd, rest in power, Chadwick Bozeman. Yeah, Chadwick Bozeman made the, yeah. He was a very talented, respected actor. Obviously, a lot of people loved his work. Yeah, so it's very sad news.

And cancer, too. Yeah, he was very young. So young. He hit him for like four years and was still performing roles, which was pretty insane, pretty legendary. Yeah. Yeah, it is. He was in Defive Bloods, wasn't he? Yeah, he was good in that. You got to respect his, I guess, wishes to not have made this, like, a news story back when he was still making films. Like, that was just for his family only, really. It sucks that he couldn't beat it. Cancer's a bitch. Yeah. Well, that one is, yeah. I've had family members lost to

cancer obviously. Yeah. And yeah, I can't even imagine what his family's going through. But yeah, he did a lot of good work. Yeah. While he was here. Only 44, or wait, it said 43 here on IMDB. Wow. Yeah, so awful. Pretty young. That sucks. This is obviously a really, like a big news thing. in terms of like ones that have personally impacted me more. I guess Philip Seymour Hoffman's up there.

And also, um, Britney Murphy, which is a weird thing to say, I know. Like, she died really young. Um, and it's not like, I guess people's lives aren't necessarily valued just by like how skilled they are. Um, I always thought she was great. But when she died, it was like this weird point for me where like, she was, like, she was performing this type of role that has not been filled since. You know, she had a very specific type of role that she played and she was so great at it.

And she was always kind of there. And now it feels like something's missing from a lot of movies. And I also feel kind of the same way about Michael Clark Duncan when he died. It's like he did that thing. And now movies don't have that thing in them anymore. So it's like this one person's death, this one person's contributions are no longer in the overall part of filmmaking in general that we see. It's like they were adding to films in general. It wasn't just individual roles.

Yeah. So it's a loss. Yeah. For me it would be David Bowley. Oh, yeah. He's obviously more of a musician. But it was just a personal thing, I guess, it's just the first. the first time I really twigged

like oh these people I've like always enjoyed their stuff they're not going to be around forever and the way he went out with that that album about his death I thought was like such a statement that I haven't really experienced before it's such a harrowing album to listen to now black star you got any Ralph

the Lincoln Park singer Chester Bennington yeah Yeah, I just want to be sure it says his name correctly. Yeah, him. Yeah, that one was sad. Yeah, that was rough. He was in Saw 7. Yeah. Yeah. He's an iconic role. Crank. Yeah. I think more people knew him from Lincoln Park. What? Yeah, those are very good roles. Yeah, really? No, yeah. I listened to a lot of Lincoln Park when I was younger. And I always find it very interesting that, like, there are artists like Lincoln Park or Mike chemical romance or any number of emotional yet rock artists that when they're popular, they get made fun of a lot and people experience these kinds of emotions from them and kind of get ridiculed for doing so in a way. Like Lincoln Park and MCR, and I'm sure there's other examples that I'm not thinking of right

now, like they kind of became memes in a way. And I think that's very interesting. and it seems to be particularly with male singers that talk about really emotional things and it's like, okay, you're supposed to feel bad sort of thing. And I think it's weird because like I guess like in general society, I guess a way of compartmentalizing or processing these kinds of negative emotions is to kind of turn them into jokes and kind of ridicule them in a way. And it seems like this just tends to happen with these times.

types of artists and then enough time passes, whether their death is relevant to this or not, enough time passes where people are like, okay, yeah, this was an important part of my childhood, this is emotional music and it's like okay to like it again. Like MCR is something that like, you know, they stood the test of time. Like people understand that these albums are so valuable, even though they are portraying sadder negative emotions. Like it's, you know, in retrospect, there's not as many people making fun of these kinds of things, I guess. Yeah. Like, like in Parks, lyrics are still a meme, I guess, crawling in my skin sort of thing.

But I think that's just a way of like, you know, people processing these types of emotions or society as a whole. Like, you kind of have to make a joke out of these sorts of things as like a self-defense mechanism almost to like these emotions that you might not want to experience. Yeah, great point I completely agree with you Yeah Next question Mobile Association 8 has one for us One of the most asked questions

In this question thread The new version of Batman With Robert Pattinson Came out with the teaser What do you guys think of the footage And how the story might go so far Did you guys see this? Yeah, I did

Looks fine Feeling We'll see Yeah, as far as these upcoming DC projects I mean, it's the one I'm most interested in. I think tonally looks interesting. Serious in a more suitable way, not Zach Snyder serious.

I saw a good kind of description saying it kind of looks like seven with Batman in it. I like the idea of that kind of tone. I'm not sure why I was so shit-faced when I watched it. I don't often get shit-faced drunk, but I pulled it up on my phone. and it was like right before going to bed. I was about to get like a massive hangover the next day, I guess. And I watched it. And despite only having seen it then, I've still retained a good amount.

Like it was it was visceral enough. It was impactful enough that I'm like, okay, yeah. Like I'm thinking of these conscious artistic choices in that trailer that I really liked. The question is whether or not that's just really great trailer editing or or if it's going to be a great film because the trailer is so good. Because when I looked at that trailer and I look at the artistic choices and that, I'm thinking, like, I love the duct tape sounds at the beginning and the title moving closer and, like, kind of jumping in unison to these, these, like, duct tape, like,

sounds. I thought that that was super cool. That was a great way to open up the trailer. I love how much they showed of that one, I guess, beating up shot where it's like, Okay, this is a single shot here. There's so many hits. None of the hits look super fake or anything. Like, it's very well choreographed in that shot.

Yeah. The hits feel real, and they feel, like, kind of brutal. And it goes on for longer than you would expect, especially in a trailer. So, yeah, there's some good-looking things in it, and I'm surprised to say that, honestly. I think the cast looks really good, too. Isn't it Paul Dano's going to play the Ridler or something? Yeah, that seems like good casting to me. You got Doug Walker.

Colin Farrell is the penguin. Yeah, yeah. The Joker guy. Colin Farrell's the penguin. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see about that. The Batman.

I don't think so. Is that what it's called the Batman? The Batman. We're getting the Batman and the suicide squad. So what are we? Some kind of the suicide squad? Oh, please. No, I was surprised.

by how many people are making fun of Robert Pattinson. I guess most people still associate him with Twilight. Like the general public probably does. That's the only, like, huge movie that he starred in. And the rest that he's been acting in have been these smaller, like, borderline indie films, right? Like, good time was awesome, but not a lot of people saw that. So when you're going for, like, the general public and he's thrust back into this, like, multi-million dollar the Batman, there's going to be a lot of fucking idiots on Twitter.

that didn't even know that he was in anything since Twilight. And that's all they're going to associate him with because they don't know that he's been acting in other movies and doing a fantastic job since. Yeah, well, he's also in Tenet coming up. Yeah, now, I guess. Yeah, now. I mean, yeah, look at his fucking IMDB page.

Known for Twilight, Twilight, and Remember Me and Twilight. It's like those are the first four that. Oh, my God. Remember me? We can. Remember Me was also shit. But yeah, same general. of just like shit bullshit romance god awful nonsense but yeah i've never had really a bad thing to say

about robert patinson probably because i've never seen the twilight movies or remember me he's always been great oh really i think he's kind of funny in the twilight movies so i watched them i can't wait to see them last year yeah i'd actually recommend it it's pretty funny yeah i'm debating doing them for like a commentary thing actually i i think it'll be worth it especially for that last great to hear. Yeah. He might be the best actor in those. I mean, it's hard to say. Like, you're judging. Yeah.

The really bad dialogue and everything. But I think he was probably the best one. When you don't have that much to work with. Yeah. It's hard to stand out when you don't have much to work with. Yeah. When you're a sparkling vampire. And he's like on the commentary track, just like turning into the movie. His relationship with is very interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the, uh, a lot of interviews that I've seen, um, him and Kristen Stewart, were just kind of like, yeah, these movies aren't good, but, like, that seemed to be their general thoughts on the movie. They kind of like memed it a bit. Yeah, they're kind of like the prequels for a different group of people. Yeah. They remind me of a more innocent time.

I actually miss the Twilight movies. Yeah, better than like the Fift Shades movies or like, you know, whatever we have now. Afters. Yeah, it was a big controversy. Yeah. Yeah. It's just Twilight came out. Yeah.

That was it. Yeah. Corn for Women, the movie. Yeah. There you go. Fake Jose Titties has an interesting one. A very important question for Adam. How's your brother's bar doing since the pandemic?

Anyway, any way we can help support his business. So my brother works in the same kind of industry. So I'm wondering how it's affected his business. Well, thank you for asking. So I actually, I never go on Facebook. but I happened to be on Facebook a couple nights ago. And I noticed a post from my brother's business, The Diving Bell Social Club on Facebook.

That seems to be where they're updating the most. And apparently they're reopening with social distancing and masks and stuff, starting on September 12th. So I was kind of surprised to see that because I talked to him about that, like, I don't know, however many months ago, he seemed like he was worried that he might have to, like, shut it down or something, but yeah. So even though it's like a venue kind of place,

I'm just reading this right here on their Facebook. Audience capacity will be limited to 45 people. Audience members will be seated at a small, at small appropriately distanced tables during events, 14 tables total. Tickets will be pre-sold online, et cetera, et cetera. Face covering is mandatory. So, yeah, looks good.

I think in the meantime, they were doing some sort of like live streaming fundraiser stuff here and there near the beginning of like all the shutdown stuff but I mean technically it's still alive so hopefully hopefully things go well yeah if you want to support the business you live in Montreal

then hop on by follow the Facebook page thanks for asking yeah it's just fucked over so many people Matt Smith Reddit says do you think critics have a responsibility over the emotional well-being of the people

they criticize. How do you feel about this one then? Emotional well-being. How are you supposed to know how much they could take of the criticism? Yeah, it depends on the person. Try your best not to punch down, I guess. Like, honestly, the day that Derek Savage

sends me a message saying, please do not cover my content anymore, I'll fucking stop. Not even kidding. Like, I'm not interested in making people feel bad, but like the general, you know, like last time he mentioned me, he was saying, hey, thanks for covering my 420 awards thing. It got a lot more views.

So I feel like right now I'm kind of keeping his business alive. Yeah. But yeah, it's, you know, try to be, there's been some comments I've made in the past where like even though they are like Hollywood actors or stuff like a few years ago, there was like a review where like, you know, as I was criticizing the movie, I was like, yeah, you got a stupid face or like I criticize the actor's looks or something and I look back on that even though I haven't really gotten criticism over that I personally look back on that I'm thinking like yeah I'm probably not going to do that you know like that's probably like I don't feel good about that yeah I'm

in the exact same boat I feel like if you put yourself out there you're just subject to criticism like anyone I don't think anything's sacred in that way yeah yeah for me I think when you're reviewing a product it's it's kind of fair game and yeah if it's going to like personal It can go too far sometimes. Yeah. It is a difficult balance because part of the fun is just the over-the-top kind of hyperbolic way. It's comedy. Yeah.

I think we're... Yeah, but there is a difference between actually just, like, attacking someone. I don't make these things, I don't make reviews for them to be seen by the people who are, like, in the movie or who worked on the movie. But now it's difficult not to. Yeah, I guess it is difficult not to. Yeah, when you have enough of an audience. Yeah. It's just like, I just feel like maybe they just...

shouldn't watch my criticism if they can't handle it, which is fine. Yeah, that's something that I've had to come to terms with just as my audience grows and I have more of a presence online. And I am influencing not just sales, but like public perception to some degree within my audience of films and filmmakers. So I try at this point especially to be fair. I try to be fair. And like my most recent thing that I did was about that whole Kimba fiasco.

And I made sure to say like several times in that review like, okay. Like you have to understand the difference between ignorance and malicious intent. If you don't know whether or not it's ignorance or malicious intent, you should probably assume ignorance. So don't harass these people being like, oh, you intentionally lied about the controversy. like you don't know that. None of us know that. They could just be an idiot. Everybody's a fucking idiot.

This controversy has existed for like 25 fucking years and everybody believed it. So you're all stupid too, right? So just try to, yeah, try to do things in a way that's not going to make someone's day worse. But at the same time, I mean, you have to, there's a certain level when you're criticizing where you have to accept like, okay, I have to be able to criticize this part because it's absolutely integral to the criticism itself. So, like, this part might sound mean, but there's no way around it. Like, I have to mention this sort of thing. So you have to pick your battles and decide what to cover and how to cover it, how to phrase it, especially. Yeah. phrasing's a big thing. It took me a long time, many years to figure out, like,

the most effective way to phrase things without just annoying 50% of people just by the where you phrase it. Yeah. Just the way you use language. I know exactly what you mean. Because sometimes it's like people will take issues even though they don't really disagree with you, but just because of how you said it. Yeah.

And sometimes it's not saying things or saying something too much. Like it is difficult. And how do you guys feel about, because I don't really think you have a responsibility over the emotional well-being of the people you criticize, really. But I think there is some kind of responsibility that comes with audiences that are of a certain size and above that there is something to it. In one hand, you, like, your, your fans and what they do is nothing to, you know, you're not, you're not responsible for the things they do. Mm-hmm. But at the same time, the things you say may be influencing them some way. So I guess

that does give it some inherent power. So if you're abusing it and being a dickhead, that's just a bad example to set. I mean, like, you, your audience is like an extension of you to some degree. And, like, the type of attitude that you put out there can be reflected. in your audience to some degree. Like, nobody has an audience that is perfect. Nobody has an audience that is 100% socially well-adjusted people that aren't just complete dicks, you know? There's going to be those in every audience, but it's important to try and make sure that

you're not cultivating an audience of exclusively those types of people. And that can be reflected in, I guess, the content that you make or your attitude, I guess, your outlook and how clearly, I guess, you make that. Right. Or something with the sole purpose. purpose of just going after someone. Yeah, sometimes it can be tricky, which is like, yeah, like I never, that's why I tried to be so careful with my Kimba thing is because, you know, I expected it to be something where people

were arguing about it on the internet afterwards. Yeah, you know lies are going to be on it, yeah. It's a big topic or it has been anyway. So, yeah, just my advice is just put some thought into things beforehand. don't just shit something out without being critical of yourself and without properly thinking about something and understand that, yeah, to some degree, there's nothing you can do to a certain extent, but also there are things you can do to prevent these things, or at least make them not as bad as they could be. Like if I

You know if I didn't censor a lot of the names in that video Then that might have added to some of the negative Experiences that they had and so when I was Showing the different YouTube clips I would censor out the names of channels that were just individual people And I would leave up the names of channels that were just companies Where it's like there's no there's no there's no this isn't an individual person this is like a fucking and clickbait company here.

So, like, if people want to leave a negative comment on those, whatever, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, because those are just about making money. You're actually helping them because they'll go on the site and, like, comment something negative, but at least they'll make ad revenue, those sites. Those companies, they don't care. Yeah, like Smosh Ian, who was pretty upset about my video I made about his movie. Even though I said he was like the best thing in the movie, but I guess it's just, he's so

intimately attached to the project, you can't help but have an emotional kind of, you know, involvement in it. But he did choose to go on the video. I mean, what? Am I supposed to lie to try and protect his feelings? Like, it's a product just selling like a movie for people to watch and pay for and enjoy. But if I think it's bad, like am I not allowed to communicate that with my platform? When you have a channel like that, you might only be used to just positive feedback because it's a lot of children watching that aren't really thinking, about what you produce and then you produce like an actual movie and it's like yeah most of the people watching are going to be your child-based audience that would love anything you do no matter what

it is but you're also kind of throwing it out there on platforms where it is exposed to more people and if they want it if other people have a perspective about it and they're like yeah this is kind of bullshit they should be allowed to share that perspective and at the end of the day if you're making art it should be for yourself it shouldn't be for anybody else if you've made something that you're proud of, Adam Wingerd or anybody, if you love the things that you've made, it shouldn't matter what I say about them. It shouldn't matter if other people don't connect to the same thing in the same way or had a different experience if it means something to you. And that's the philosophy that I've had and I'm having with, you know, my albums being released like in a

couple weeks, hopefully. If it doesn't connect with everybody, it doesn't really matter because I know that I've made something that it connects with me and there are going to be other people out there that feel the same way about it that I do, but not everybody has to. So, you know, if other people don't like it, then it doesn't really matter. Like, who are you making it for? Yeah, I think we're all pretty much in agreement

that we're not responsible over the emotions of those that we talk about to a certain degree. Yeah, somebody tried to blame me for Adam Winger leaving Twitter, even though all I did. I just posted that rant on Death Note, and that's all I did at the time, and I just said he's a trash director, and I don't like him.

Right. I didn't tweet at him. Great power comes great responsibility. And it's a learning process. You slowly learn how to say these things. So you can cause as minimal damage as possible and get your point across. Yeah, it takes a long time to figure that out. Responsibility's cool, but there's more things in life.

Not getting your dick, wrote off fucking knife. MC Riot, everybody. What, damn. What about this one then from Adam needs a haircut? Nope. Hey guys. Not during COVID. What do you think are overused adjectives in reviews?

My example is the word gritty. Whenever something is even slightly dark, they use that word and it drives me nuts. Some bad adjectives? In reviews? Yeah, I would extend it to just in reviews what kind of discussion and phrasing and words get on your nerves sort of thing. I don't like overrated and underrated. I don't know if I probably said that before. But like I just don't like, I don't know what metric you're going by.

You know, if you're saying something's underrated or. Yeah, it's difficult. Sometimes difficult to define. Because it didn't make its money back in the box office. But it also made like almost $100 million probably like at the end of the day. So I've got plenty of people saw it. Yeah. And then it's like, are you talking about the film success or it's general like reception?

Like the people that saw it loved it, but not many. people saw it sort of thing. What it means to me, maybe. Like a film that maybe, like a lot of people I know haven't seen. So I would call it underrated. Yeah. I usually get annoyed at that phrasing when I see a post on the movie's subreddit. If somebody calling a movie underrated that was like a gigantic critical and commercial

success, it's like, what are you talking? Just because you didn't know about this until a week ago doesn't mean it's underrated. What are you talking about? They're like watching Transformers movies their whole life. And they're like, this is amazing. The most underrated movie. The prestige is so underrated. My dad never mentioned it to me.

But I don't think, like, again, that term can be used in some context. And I think as long as you're explaining why it's overrated and like by what metric you're going by, I guess you could use that criticism. There's always exceptions to these kinds of things, I think. So I don't want to discount like anyone's phrasing or anything. I think everyone has a point of view and a way of saying things. I don't want to discourage anyone. I used to take beef with the word poignant. Um, not as much anymore.

Uh, but I guess my initial distaste for that word being used in reviews was not so much the word itself, but a lot of reviewers essentially just tacking on words like that when it seems like they're just trying to bullshit a review out and they don't really have anything to say about it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's lots of like phrases like that, like describing something as subversive. you know, that's a meme, the subverting expectations thing. But it's like,

it's an integral storytelling aspect. So sometimes you like have to talk about it and you have to use it. But the words are, they're like poison to such a degree where you're kind of trapped with some of this stuff. Pretentious, I think is one like that. I feel like there's a handful of reviewers

in traditional media that are treating their reviews like an English assignment where they're basically, they're poetic in their phrasing, but I read through the entire thing. And I don't feel like I've, they've said much about the film at all. Like, sometimes they'll stick to like describing parts of the movie, but they haven't really given me anything extra to chew on in terms of like an interpretation or what exactly they liked about it or disliked about it. And it feels like they kind of just like waltzed their way through the review and like

just just bullshit this entire thing out where it's like yeah that's a great English assignment but what I want out of a review is something a bit more I don't know personal or I guess what's the word just some points of writing that stands on its own that you want to read it's like interesting like Roger Ebert's reviews have tons of personality yeah yeah he's very poetic but he says a lot

yeah at the same time Yeah, he's not just like, I just think that sometimes people are poetic at, at the expense of actually saying anything substantive about the film, where they, like, dance around, and they aren't as frank or as concise about things in a clear way. And this isn't everybody in traditional media, just like there's some people that clearly went to journalism school, and it just shows in their reviews. And it's like, I think that's part of the reason why YouTube is such a powerful tool for

film criticism with younger people is because they're able to connect with it a lot more. Like, it's clearer how someone feels about a movie or like you can show clips of the movie to illustrate what you want to say about it. Yeah, hearing someone's voice and their personality. Yeah, it comes across as more honest. And it's like a different form of entertainment too. It's not just a review. It's like you're creating a video.

Like you're creating art in itself. You're putting on a bit or personality or style. I'm putting on a bit. Yeah. I'm putting on a bit. Yeah, on top of it. Yeah, and the barrier of entry is much lower. Not everyone can write for Empire magazine,

but anyone can upload a video to YouTube, and that just makes it more relatable. You just got to have a point and be interesting. Yeah. Get some good production value. Hopefully. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, that's not even important, honestly, right.

You're right. Film it on a potato. Yeah, individual words. Not, yeah, I'm okay with poignant now. I've grown into the word being acceptable to use. It's growing on you. Okay. If we're talking about video game reviews,

if it's compared to Dark Souls, that usually triggers me a little. Yeah, video games is a whole other cake. Describing things as immersive in video games. That's quite a go-to one like those other phrases you were saying. I just remembered one that I can't possibly, I have to mention. in this.

Comparing films to Jaws or Psycho. That I remember, yeah, there was a big section in my Frozen 2010 Ski-Lift horror movie review where I included a big compilation of every time people have compared a horror movie to Jaws or Psycho.

It's just like, we'll do for grandparents what Jaws did to the ocean. Like, that's so lame. Everything's just compared to Jaws and horror movies and psycho. That's my answer, I guess. I almost forgot about that.

Holy shit. And it's still happening. I bet there'll be loads. It still happens all the time. It doesn't stop. You think it's like, it's enough of a meme now. Maybe just in my audience, I don't know. But it's just irritating when people keep saying that.

Did you have one, Alex? Seversive. Seversive. Expectations and that kind of thing. Immersive and saying things that, you know, I was left speechless of it. You know, that whole Reddit thing like you mentioned, where these top posts tend to be hyperbolic in ways

that kind of oversell and over-exaggerate. Wow, I just found, yeah, this little indie gem. And then they just talk about, yeah, some shit like fucking psycho or jaws. So what are you talking about that? This is the greatest thing I've ever found. Yeah, all right. All right, I get it. All right, you want to do one more?

Let's end on this one then from Earth, Zellul. Sidel Sidel. In my high school, I seem to be the only person who cares about films outside of Marvel. The people I talk to have never even heard of Scorsese, Kubrick, or Fincher. Statistics also show that Gen Z doesn't really go to the movies. Do you worry that cinema is in jeopardy due to a seemingly large majority of people not caring? Oh my God. It's not going to make enough money to sustain itself for film industry? There's so few people who care about cinema.

yeah i guess this is a thing like surely this has just been a thing the whole time like there are people that are massively into hobbies and there are people the the the vast majority of people who absorb movies like they don't they're not dismantling it in the same way you know like the crowds that are going out and they're like what's playing tonight right yeah more casual like uh and i think it's a similar thing for a lot of like entertainment you know everyone enjoys music to some degree but that doesn't mean everyone appreciates the, you know, the lyrics and the different instruments and the mix. Every technical aspect, yeah, every technical aspect you go into, yeah. And the experience of watching movies is changing.

People like TV series now. They like Netflix movies and many series. Yeah. There's a whole audience for that. I mean, people don't go to the movies as much. Yeah. People are always going to be finding ways to kill time. And movies is one of those things.

So just because people aren't as familiar with. older directors and, you know, more classic cinema, it doesn't mean that people aren't watching movies. Like, people are going on Netflix and being like, okay, what's something I know this actor, let's click on that. But that's how it's always been, whether people are doing that at the theaters or at fucking blockbuster, like, the general population has always just been, like, completely unaware of who directed a film unless it's a big name, like Tarantino or Christopher Nolan sort of thing. That doesn't, necessarily mean the industry is dying. You could make an argument for theaters, maybe dying.

That's a different conversation. And also, remember, you just said you're in high school. So, I mean, like, there might not be that many people, especially at that age, that are as familiar with older directors or as passionate about movies. Sometimes it takes a while for people to, you know, explore those things or get more interested or discover it as a passion, I guess. So the best thing you can do is try to convince people to check these things out. If you have friends that don't know dick about movies and you have a South Korean film like old boy or like parasite that are just so massively universally praised no matter who watches them, fucking invite them over and show them a movie. They might start loving other movies, you know, if you're the one to

take initiative and introduce them to those things. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't think cinema is in jeopardy. I almost think the opposite. I think the venues in which you can watch movies is getting more diverse because of these streaming wars. They want content to stream and they want good movies to stream. So we're seeing just some of these incredible originals like Roma or the Irishman. Yeah.

Kind of stuff of that caliber is coming out now. It's easier to create and distribute independent films than any other point in history. Mm-hmm. So you have more voices. franchises too that I think are going to do well like Marvel Jurassic Park that I think will do well in theaters I mean that maybe I don't know the future of cinema in terms of what the theaters are going to happen like what's going to happen to theaters that's the conversation to me yeah but when they open again we'll see what happens we'll see if

tenet does well you know James Bond is at the end of the year other blockbusters and we'll see if it's even a viable yeah thing yep If they can make their money back. Yeah, we'll see what happens. Fuck COVID. I know, it's boring now. And fuck Christopher Nolan. Yeah.

Got out of here, Chris. Making me choose between getting ill or watching your goddamn movie. Yeah, yeah. I'm just waiting. I'm not going to see that. Can I just hold on to it for a little bit, Chris? Yeah, I mean, digital distribution is a great thing. You know, kids are still watching.

watching shit, even if they're not as well-versed in what they could be watching. I mean, I've released my movie on VOD years ago, and now it's like, everyone's released a movie on VOD. I'm like, oh, it feels legitimized. Yeah. Like, it's, it's cool. It's cool to be, like, on that, like, my movie Amazon Prime. It says that.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah. It's a good feeling. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, good digital, I love digital and all that, but still. Still, theaters are, it's a great experience that I don't want to go away. And I'm sure if you could do it safely, then there's no issue.

Yeah. I mean, it's just a, it's a conversation that constantly happens, you know? Like how many people say music shit now? And what they actually mean, it's just like the radio station is different to what it was when I was a kid when I liked it. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to find art that you enjoy, whether it's music or cinema, you have to go out of your way to find it. And part of that, you know, you can make it easier by watching a reviewer that you like that gives good recommendations for things that you might not have heard about otherwise.

Wink, wink, wink. So, yeah, like, that can make it easier for you if you don't know how to find these sorts of things. Otherwise, like, you know, the tools are there. If you love directors, go to their IMDB. What do they have in production? Search those things up. Do film festivals if you can. Film festivals are a great way to find new movies.

Waterboxed. People make lists on there. Oh, yeah. Lists. And share it with their friends. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good way to, I found some movies from there.

Yeah. Some. You got to sort through a bunch of trolls and crap. You find some wacky stuff if you go down. Yeah. On DMD, you find some lists. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I don't think cinema's dying. No. No. No, I think we're right thing. And it'll be very different 20 years from now than it is now. Yeah. But like the, a big thing is like, film criticism is kind of in the hands of everyone. And everyone can talk about movies and recommend movies, make lists, whatever.

Yeah. It's like in the hands of everyone. I think that's a, that's a huge, like, changing factor that the audiences are a huge promotional tool. Mm-hmm. More movies should utilize that. They don't really. Yeah. They're not like the video game industry, which.

is kind of a bit more switched on. So like on YouTube it's just right. Like you can do anything you want with like game footage and cut it up and because of the transformative stuff. Yeah, video games are changing all the time and no one cares. Like now this whole like battle royale system where you release the games for free and you charge people money in game for points and skins and all that. Like that wasn't around five years ago.

It's like the world changes so quick in that field. They're so on top of it and movies just aren't. They aren't as connected with what. people want. All right. Who's recommended a movie? That wraps things up. Yeah.

We have a film recommendation from me, and I've got a bit of a confession to me. So around episode, I think 60, so a long time ago, because we do this every two weeks, I started vigorously writing down in my notes the order in which the recommendations would be. And for things like Matt Johnson recommending one and, and, uh, Things like that. The order in which we have them, I've strategically ensured that I would be the one to recommend for episode 69, which is the next episode.

Okay, monkey. Really? So it is my recommendation for 69, and I made sure that that would happen. Okay. And I don't know if you've seen this or not. Either way, I haven't seen it a while, and I'd like to revisit it. It's a film called Shortbuss. All one word?

It is from director John Cameron Mitchell. Content warning. There are unsimulated sex acts in the film. And if you play this film and you're, just don't do it with your door open if you don't want someone thinking you're watching porn. But it is a film. It's like there's pornographic elements in the film. but it is still a film.

It's a story. It has characters. Wow. They're just... So don't watch it with Nana. What a way to describe it. Yeah, don't watch it with your parents. Yeah.

All right. And neither of you have seen this. No, I have. It's in my watches, but I'm ready for this. Yeah, hopefully it's not too difficult to find. I know it's not like a huge movie. There should only really be one cut. I've got the Blu-ray.

And, uh, yeah. Next, next episode, short buzz. We will have a spoiler discussion on this very pornographically graphic film for episode 69. Awesome. And by that point, new Charlie Kaufman movie will be out. If both of you want to watch that before next episode. Maybe 10 it.

Yep. Love to make sure we talk about that as well. All right. I was sick of buggy nights for 69. Yeah, you know what? Show goes. That was a... Were you thinking of one Alex for 16th?

For sure. I hadn't seen that one yet, and I know I would love it, but I also wanted to revisit this, and I assumed that you two haven't seen it. And I thought it would make very interesting discussion. I haven't seen it. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. We should talk about boogie nights at some point, because that's like one of PTAs. Yeah, yeah.

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