Sardonicast - Sardonicast #76: Sound of Metal, Bicycle Thieves

Episode Date: December 28, 2020

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Three, two, one. Oh, you bit me. Oh, you bit my toe. Oh, you bit my poor toe. That's not fair. I didn't try and hurt you, you know, did I? That was a quote from the sequel series to Kimpa. Leo the Lion, 1966.

Great voice acting dub. I'm Adam from your movie sex. This is Ardonica. This is bizarre. Very bizarre. I'm Ralph from YouTube.com slash Ralph a moviemaker. And I'm Alex from IHE. Yeah, there you go.

That's pretty good. Yeah, it was good. How are we doing? I'm a little tired. My voice is a little groggy. The bleeding? Yeah, I had a nosebleed when I woke up. It was really shitty.

The tissues are not in my nose anymore. It's stopped for now. It could start at any moment again, though. So I've got some ready. I just get nosebleeds sometimes. It's unfortunate. Like an anime character. Yes, I guess.

Why do you associate that with anime, though? Is that not like an anime trope where like they see something and then they get the nosebleed thing? I guess. Someone in the comments is going to back me up on this. I swear. No, yeah, I know what you mean. I don't know if I associate that with anime because I don't watch a lot of anime. Right.

That might be why. But I've seen that before for sure in like memes on the internet, like other animated stuff. Yeah. So there's some exciting news. It's exciting. Literally everyone is going to be in the Spider-Man. 3 Marvel movie. Oh, that's the exciting news.

Yeah. Yeah, so all of the Spider-Man's, Andrew Garfield, Toby McGuire, is it Mary Jane also? Oh, I don't know. Because you can never, like, you have to independently research each of these

because so many people are making memes about it. Yeah, I can show one. You don't know which ones are real anymore, but at least, at least Toby and at least Andrew Garfield. Yeah, we'll just see then. Yeah, that's, it's, it's, speculation most of it I bet yeah to me the important one is Willem Defoe and Alfred Molina though is Willam Defoe actually in it well I saw an article saying

they're trying to they're trying to get him I don't think it's confirmed yeah it might be confirmed by the time this episode goes up okay please they can't you can't recast him he's too perfect I mean yeah that's that's a big thing I don't know what kind of script they're gonna have they could probably they probably have something where like they don't even need all of these characters in the script and they'll just put in whoever they can get right They might not even need to recast. What's crazy is that there was an episode of this podcast

where I was saying that I would love for that sort of thing to happen. Yeah, I remember. A few hours later, after we recorded it on that day, then articles started coming out speculating it. I was like, ah, fuck. But the episode hadn't published yet. But I was thinking about that at 11 a.m. on Monday of whichever that week was. And then it started happening.

It was really weird. I'm connected to the Spiderverse. You're connected to Marvel. Yeah, it's my spirit animal. It's your jam, your Marvel YouTube channel. Yeah. You know, how I do all my reviews dressed up in, like, some Star Wars costume or something? That's not even Marvel.

That's just Disney. Did I say my brain was much today and I didn't sleep? Yeah, it's voice over anyway. So you could be recording in the Marvel stuff all the time. Exactly. We just wouldn't know, yeah. Yeah. Famous Marvel character.

Boba Fett. I was just asking, do we know if, or when this is coming out? Because it's a lot of speculation, and I don't even know if there's a script or like anything. I don't know. Is there a set date for this? What was the amount of time between the first two? I can look at Disney's list. They probably have a list coming out. Oh, yeah, they did create like a big list of things.

They said they were going to scale back Star Wars, and then now they're announcing like a bazillion Star Wars things. Yeah, it's like tens of projects. And it probably has to do with the success of the Mandalayas. at which point there must have been some sort of meeting at Disney where they realized wait a minute it's not the franchise that was bad but it was the scripts the directors what decisions it's not just it's not just the franchise itself that people were disinterested in what fuck off crazy just how stupid they are yeah it's bizarre do you find it funny how

for this third Spider-Man movie Do you remember when the first Spider-Man 3 came out, it was kind of like the joke that it was too packed full of shit and that was kind of why it fell apart and now we're hearing about this third Spider-Man and it's like that on steroids with every possible character ever returning.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I'm like, it'll be interesting, fun sort of thing for sure. When I was speculating about this sort of thing, my dream scenario would be something like this but not directly. directed by John Watts. So it doesn't seem like I'm going to get what I want because every bit of nostalgia that I have for the original Spider-Man trilogy is very much because of Sam Ramey, not just Toby

McGuire. It's not just the actors, right? It's the presentation. It's the style. It's the mood. It's the tone. I'm not a huge fan of the John Watts Spider-Man movies. I feel like the shot composition cinematography is just so bland, right?

It's the weakest thing about them, yeah. Yeah. And whereas, like, in the Ramey trilogy, it's like the... most important part, really. Mm-hmm. It's like the most defining trait. Yeah, it makes sense to have, like, frenetic direction with a frenetic character like Spider-Man.

Yeah. So, yeah, it's a bit disappointing, but... Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they're going to do, but it's news. They're bringing back the guy that said, hey, you stole my pizza or something. They're not really. Is that, like, was that a real one or a mean one?

No, it's just... I want that guy back. Bring them back to you. They're bringing back Stan Lee from the grave. Oh, no. I got this release schedule up here. Oh, yeah? For Disney.

Yeah. It's apparently supposed to come out next year. The Spider-Man? The Spider-Man movie. What? The end of 2021. The movie to save cinema. Yeah, the movie to save cinema.

They'll probably push it back. Seems like everybody will just be back for one scene or some shit. I don't know. It'll be like a cameo appearance. There's also like another Thor movie. You know, they're planning that. Yeah. Love and Thunder.

Yeah, like, I don't know. Martha, or, I agree with what you're saying. The Spider-Man movies are kind of whatever. Yeah, at this point. It doesn't matter how many nostalgic actors you throw into it. Like, just seems like a gimmick. Yeah. It's not going to really...

And we just had a perfect Spider-Verse movie. Exactly, right? If you did, like, a sequel to Spider-Verse where those characters were back into it, I would prefer that in the Spider-Verse franchise than in the John Watts Spider-Spiderman franchise. Yeah, it would just make more sense. too. People like live action there who make more money off

so that real actors being there, wouldn't they? The National Film Registry Yeah, real cinema. Yeah, they added some classics like Shrek. Well, they added Clockwork Orange.

They just added Clockwork Orange? Yeah, sometimes it takes a while. Yeah, sometimes, wow. Greece, like that's, you know, that took a while. Some movies are recent. They just added the Hurt Locker. That's pretty recent.

Interesting. I think the minimum is, yeah, the minimum is 10 years for the movie to be added. Mm-hmm. The Dark night was a big one. Shrek. Yeah, the Dark night makes sense. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good.

It shows that Shrek had a lasting impact. Yeah, but Shrek has been memed so hard. People forget the qualities of that original movie. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You guys want to explain what it is briefly, the National Film Registry? Do you? You know, an American thing.

It's your country. Yeah, dude. Well, it's just a, you know, a historical record of important films that had some kind of cultural significance. Yeah. Kind of like preserving it for history. It's like if the government said these are the good movies. Kind of. Yeah.

These are the ones you should watch. Yeah. It seems to be a bit more about like preservation than anything. Or at least that's what I gather from it. Yeah. So I guess they probably have like original film reels. And I guess that they probably like routinely. make copies of them, like if it is film?

Or maybe it's probably all digitized now. Yeah, there'll be some backup process. I'm wondering if they pay the film companies for this, or if they're just allowed to do it because it's the government. Yeah, I don't know. There's 800 films in it, apparently.

Only 800? Yeah, I don't know how long they've been doing this. Damn. It started in the late, yeah, 1989. Oh, 90s, basically. And is there, like, a set amount that they add every year, or...

It doesn't... seem like it. So they can just add them whenever. Yeah. And they only have, what did you say, 800? It sounds about right. Yeah, according to this independent article I'm reading, it stands at about 800, sorry. Yeah, there's a lot they need to add on there, of course. Yeah. But, you know, it's just the films they think are the most important. You know, some movies, you know, they weren't even that big when they came out and then, you know, now they've been recognized on this list. I think that even if Shrek was just a meme and there were no other good qualities, I think it should be on the National Film Registry.

Great. Right? It's like a cultural impact. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I believe like Pixar films are on there. Mm-hmm. Do you think we'll ever get like a Neil Breen film there?

Okay. So like Tommy, Tommy Wazzo. The room is like a culturally impactful film. Yeah, I don't know if they'll include that, though. Exactly. They won't. But that would be really interesting. It's so bad.

It's good film. It's like an interesting subgenre. You can make a case for it. Definitely on impact, but I don't know. It's a bit of a bad movie. I mean, it's such a big movie that there was another movie made about the making of the movie. Right? Yeah.

That alone. And that movie was successful. I mean, that's more of a real film. Yeah, that's a real film. Yeah. So I think you could definitely make a case for the room being on the National Film Registry. Do they have to be American films? Probably, right?

Not necessarily, I don't think so. Oh, really? We should find out if there are any non-American films on there. Tell us in the comments section what film you think should be added to the National Film Registry. Let us know. King Kong 2005. That would be funny they add that one and they don't have the 33 one. Is there a way to just search for them?

Yeah, I wish there was. I don't know if the Lord of the Rings films are on here. If not, they totally should be. It would be great if they just had like a shitty sequel to a movie and not the movie itself. Electric boogaloo. Yeah. Yeah, like something like that. I want to know what dictates these decisions.

Or like who's working there, you know? Yeah. Might be a vote. It's a secret organization. Anyway, in other news, I guess before we start talking about a movie, there's a Twitter account called noise. And it's a marketing account for chaos walking and it's very stupid and silly. Really? Oh, I didn't know that.

He's just sent to me, I'm like, this is stupid. Like, what is this? It's for chaos walking. Yeah, it's a verified account. It has 1,500 followers, which you can't escape. Speaks volumes to just how easy it is for a company to get a Twitter account verified rather than an actual person. Yeah.

The last tweet there, do you guys want to hear my whole? Pot take. And then what does that say? Boat scene. I can't read it because of the stupid text thing. Yeah. Boat scene writes. I don't know what that says.

So you know that stupid fucking text that's like creepy text where it goes like up and down further than it showed on the screen? That's basically this whole Twitter account. And it's really lame because this shit is so old. And despite whoever's operating this Twitter account. I guess role playing as the noise from the upcoming disaster chaos walking. They're just, they're tweeting about like Beyonce. Yeah, like it's, let's see if I can find that.

This is very funny. Yeah, I see the chaos walking clip. So yeah, it's totally. Imagine being afraid of Grammy Award winning Beyonce because a song makes noises, which is what a song is supposed to make. There's like fake Twitter accounts following it and leaving comments. They're like fans of chaos walking

Yeah Fake chaos walking fans Like no way There's two popular people in it So someone was paid to do this Yeah yeah Yeah so they've Between November 16th and December 10th

It made like I don't know 20 tweets or something And this is not even that seems And this is just like a marketing account that's verified For chaos walking And now it's like I'm looking at this and I'm thinking like,

are they marketing this as like a scary thing now? Is there, are there supposed to be scary elements in this film? Because they're, they're like heavily implying it. It's a little bit of everything. I guess so. But why would you tweet about Beyonce

and like something about a dog I saw? There's some really weird stuff on here. Just the inner monologue of a male operating the Twitter account. Because in the movie, it's like you can hear men's thoughts. Although, if you really wanted to do the roleplay of this properly, you'd just be tweeting like every fucking two seconds. Have something new. Just literally type out your thoughts.

The tweet. Yeah, at least go in if you're going to do something like this, you know? Yeah. It's like such, so hard-vassed. This is such a fake account. Yeah. This is a follower. It's like two.

This one. Like they made it two months ago. Oh, you're looking at. Like one of the followers of that account. Chaos walking noise account yet. That's funny. Yeah. It's like totally.

Like there are no fans of this movie. You're listening to one right now. Okay? It's not even... It's so funny. Yeah. Noise. It's so dated, that kind of marketing tactic.

What's funny is I've probably advertised this movie to a greater degree than that Twitter account. I've brought the movie to more people. The trailer's funny. Oh, yeah. I mean, I bet that helped a little. When are we going to have the pleasure of watching that again? Supposedly January, and it seems like they're not going to release it digitally, that it'll be a theater-only experience because it's so important.

That's awesome. Yeah, it's that important. I need to go to a theater with a mask. I'll probably have to drive, like, a few hours to see it, but that's fun. It's totally worth it. Totally worth it. Yeah. Everybody, stay tuned.

for the movie event of the century. It'll come out on VOT at some point. Exactly. Where? Who's making it? Like, is it going on HBO Max or line? Okay, like, what is that? Oh, do they have a streaming platform?

I don't think so. It'll probably, I don't know. Like, they can sell it to Netflix. They're just going to put it up on Amazon Prime or something. Yeah, I thought it already was a Netflix thing, but I guess I don't think anyone wants it. Yeah. They don't want it It was supposed to be released like three years ago

The noise wants it And they're fake followers They hired someone to make a marketing Twitter That's only posted like less than 20 tweets In the past month So we all saw a film That wasn't the official recommendation But it was something that came out anyway

Called Sound of Metal I almost said sound of noise or sound of music There's too many sound of movies Yeah It's got Riz Ahmed's and the girl from Ready Player 1. Olivia Cuck. Yeah. So I know I recognized her.

I know, right? It was like halfway through the movie where it was like, holy shit. It's the same. Couldn't recognize her without her ugly makeup because she's so ugly with that birthday. Right. Yeah, that was bad. But this movie was awesome, though. Yeah.

I was really, really enthralled by this. I really like these music movies and taking any sense and using it as like a jumping off point for some kind of story and the irony of like a drama losing his hearing and just the way they present it and the way sound is used in the movie itself I just thought was such an original and unique way of doing it because a lot of the time when these sensory movies are kind of approached it can tend to be more kind of gimmicky or more you know for like horror or scary kind of vibes but they kind of went way more for a serious drama like and really followed through with the characters and it was just purely about the effect on this man and how it

kind of tears his life apart. It's a story of like inner peace and how he comes to deal with it at the end and I just I really connected with it. I really like inner peace kind of movies like that and yeah what did you guys think. Yeah, I thought a whiplash immediately because the drama. But it becomes like a different movie very early on. Yeah. I was glad it didn't like really lean on that side of it.

I thought it was going to be way more of him kind of like resisting and loads of scenes of him like still playing in the band and like not coming to terms with it. But it moves on from that fairly quickly. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. Rizam, it's really good in it too. He's the best thing about it. Yeah. I thought the film was great.

Yeah. I really, I really enjoyed it. I thought Olivia Cook probably wasn't as. as excellent as Rez Ahmed was. I think there were some scenes where she didn't, like, totally deliver for me. Like, I wasn't just buying her. Like, there's a scene where she is a... She's, like, leaving, like, going into a taxi.

And, like, the amount of crying, it just wasn't, like, convincing. You know? It just wasn't as much as I think she would be in, like, that kind of situation. And then I think the use of sound in it, where you kind of go into his point of view and you hear, like, you know, it's like muted or it's muffled. It seemed like they really put their research in, you know? Yeah, yeah, it sounds good, but I think they did lean on that a bit too much.

And I actually would have preferred a more objective look at the story and just kind of seeing him kind of function and we hear the sound. I think if they used it more sparingly, it would have been a bit more of a punch when they used it. Because there are some points where they use it, that it is pretty effective toward the end. And I just wish they used it a bit less, a little bit less. I really enjoyed that aspect. The like perspective sound stuff, is that weird? Yeah, the perspective sound stuff where you would kind of cut to his hearing. I was actually thinking the opposite, although it would be a completely different movie if it was the way that I was thinking.

I was thinking like what a crazy opportunity it would be if literally the entire movie was the sound from his perspective. Like the moment that he loses his hearing, you never hear it again as an audience member. the moment he puts on, I guess, let's not spoil the movie, or let's just say spoiler warning, spoiler discussion, everybody. The moment he puts on the implant or whatever and everything becomes distorted for us as audience members to hear only that the rest of the movie, I think that would have been insane. I think that would have been like a crazy movie that I would have really loved. I like this movie a lot either way, although it would be completely different and probably much less accessible. to average moviegoers. But it's like in the middle, it's halfway,

and I don't think that's a great quality. No. I would have preferred it one way or the other. I really liked that aspect of it, because a huge, we're in spoilers, I guess, a huge part of the movie is him kind of trying to gather money so he can get these implants, which is in his head, his great fix for his problem,

because he sees it as a problem that he needs to fix, and that's kind of his arc in the movie. but when he does eventually get those implants and the way there's that whole scene where he comes to the realization of how, oh, this isn't actually quite the dream fixed solution like that's going to solve all my problems that maybe it really is. So then when you hear the way it sounds from his perspective and the way the doctor's kind of describing how it's not really fixed it, it's kind of tricking his brain into thinking it and just the struggle he has and like the party and how, it's a really that kind of torturous scene for him and just watching his acting as he's like going through it. I found that really, really gripping, especially the way they did it because it really puts you in his perspective and makes you understand what he's going through. Because it really is his movie and it's all from his perspective. So I liked that the way they played with sound in that way.

Yeah. Yeah, it never leaves his perspective either. So it's very consistent in that way. Like the entire movie is just focused on this one character. essentially. Really great cast, I thought, aside from the main two. There's the guy who's like a James Bond villain. I forgot the actor.

Which guy? Yes. He's like in Quotsma Salas, I think. Oh, Mathia Elmerich? Yeah, yeah. Oh, you can't, oh, man, I don't associate him with that at all. I know that he's played those characters, but like neither of you have seen something like Diving Bill and the Butterfly, right?

No. Oh, it's an amazing movie. He's in that. Like, I don't associate. associate him with bond villain or whatever. So, ah shit, he's,

he's really good, though. He's a good bond villain. He's a good bond villain, too. The scene with him was very good. There's a lot of heavy scenes in the movie, obviously, because it's just about events that completely

throw your life off track. Yeah, that's a scene where I liked the more objective, like how we just hear it normal, you know, because at that point he has the implants in, and he's just trying to have a normal conversation with Olivia Cook's father

in the movie. And, you know, you don't really know what he's hearing, but he's able to, like, deciphered enough to have a normal conversation. And I thought that was like, I thought that made it an interesting scene, you know, like, oh, he's able to kind of function again, like, in this way with these things, like, try to have a normal, just like a conversation at a table with someone. I like that objective point of view. But then there's, like, the scene afterward where they're performing on the piano. And that's one scene where, I thought like the use of the audio distortion was like really important. Yeah.

It's like necessary information. Yeah. Yeah. And it slowly kind of fades in. Yeah. And it shows like this character like, oh, his life isn't the same.

It's kind of, I guess, more pointing that out by having the sound fade that in or fade in that way. Yeah. Yeah. I know what comes together so cleanly at the end with him accepting the silence and finding his peace like this. Yeah.

mentor kind of character says earlier on. I just loved the integration of all the sign language and how he goes from being completely isolated when it's first affecting him and he can't communicate with anyone, really. And just him coming to terms with that and the tragedy of that whole thing too, where he kind of doesn't really listen to the advice of those people. I like that mentor character. Yeah, yeah, there's a really good scene with them

when he kind of rejects him and turns him away. Yeah, they talk about like the stillness, I think he says. It's like stillness. Yeah. I think that's what he feels at the end. Like a sense of peace. Because he can't be with himself. You can't come to terms with his own trauma. His situation.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He keeps trying to fight it the whole movie. Yeah. And it would have just been much easier to just kind of, yeah, accept it. That's why that final short where it's just complete silence is so powerful to me anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

Coming. A great conclusion. I did expect more of a whiplash movie. Oh, really? Oh, just from, oh, okay.

I wasn't, from, like, the poster and, like, the poster and, like, oh, yeah, I can see what you mean.

And then it was just like, oh, shit. Yeah, it was pretty like dark drama, which I, I did like, but it's very,

it's very, to focus on that element. Yeah. Distressing. It was definitely whiplash. It's like, whiplash is one of the comparables for it. Like,

oh, people see this because it's like, like. Oh, like so just for marketing I guess. Yeah, just from a marketing perspective. People like seeing like things. Yeah, it's a very different movie. But I wonder if it would have, if an executive would have even looked at it without like, oh, it's about drumming. People will watch it. They like Whiplash. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. Like I guess you like to sell your movie, you don't really market like a depressing and stressful charactered self-exploration film. Yeah. Yeah. Losing his hair.

Yeah, it's deaf. Yeah. Have you seen the, there's a movie called It's All Gone Pete Tong? Very similar premise. It's a DJ that loses his hearing. Really good movie, but they're, they're going for completely different tones. It's all gone Pete Tong. There is the element of like self-discovery in it, but it's more of like a zany kind of like, it's way more comedic.

It's more like a, it's almost kind of like crazy like a train spotting type type movie. almost. Whereas this one is more of like a, like really, I guess more like introspective, very kind of bleak. But this one also, Sound of Metal also focuses more on like the deaf community,

which is something that this film does really well. I feel like it tackles the serious elements a lot better too. Because, uh, yeah, when it's all gone Pete Tongs starts to get more serious, it feels like just not as good as the parts whereas this one sound of metal it's all about the serious parts and it does does those things

really really well yeah there's a lot of tenderness like i i really like the scene with the with the kids apparently a lot of that was improvised with him like drumming on the the slide and feeling the vibrations yeah that's a good scene it's really really cool with stuff like that yeah i'd imagine a lot of these actors are just regular deaf people yeah no um i think uh the majority of them were. I think Riz Ahmed even for part of filming had like blockers in his ears or something.

Oh yeah? Yeah, I don't think for the full filming because I think you found it a bit difficult and found it easier to act without them. Right, and the camera would see it too. To take notes from the director. Yeah. Yeah, I thought he was very

convincing how he played that part, the deaf parts, yeah. Because I was imagining like, Yeah, he can hear if obviously because he's not that he's acting but yeah, he seemed very convincing Yeah, there's that scene he's losing it in the RV. Yeah, you can really feel like his character going through this emotionally you can really see like him break down as an individual. Yeah, and on that note, I really felt this kind of nervousness and tension kind of building because they they kind of tease that he has a past struggling with drugs and he's clearly a tortured soul

in ways. So that was always in the back of my mind like, oh, no, where could this go? And I'm glad it doesn't go to the obvious, like, you know, 13 reasons why, like, drama points it could do. No, no, it's much more subtle. Yeah, yeah, I was imagining like him, when he goes back to his girlfriend, there's like another guy in the bed, stuff like that would have kind of taken some of the punch away. It's way more realistic and kind of intimate in that way.

There's like a choice he makes early on because he's already kind of, he knows he's losing his hearing, but he continues to drum anyway. And they keep things like that, choice is vague. So it's not really like, yeah. And there's a lot of things like that, like his backstory. It makes his character more interesting. He's not really spelling out like how he's going insane or why he does these things. It's just like, yeah. You just believe his character.

And Riz Ahmed's the glue that holds the whole thing together, I thought. He's just so great. He's such a great performer. He basically carries the whole movie. And everything else, every other element I thought was pretty good. But he was just excellent. Yeah, it's definitely his movie. Yeah.

He's not as good as in Venom, but maybe a little bit better. I was like looking through his IMD and I was just forgetting some of the great stuff he's been in. Sisters Brothers Night Cooler, the Night of. I really like. Yeah, Sisters Brothers. Yeah. Yeah, Knight of is a very good show, too. Four Lions, even with comedic chops.

I mean, he's really talented. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It seems like it might get like some sort of an Oscar nom maybe. Yeah, awards recognition. I was wondering how that works. Because, first of all, I believe it was released last year, 2019, and some kind of...

It's like a festival thing. Yeah. Yeah. Usually, usually they count. This is like a 2020. And it came out this year, obviously, because of what's going. You know, the week just came out on VOD. I think most people just watched it recently on VOD.

But I would like the Oscars to consider it at this point. I mean, I don't even know what they watch. I don't know what the stream of movies is. Yeah, it's just so weird. I don't know how it's going to work or what they're going to count as a movie. Yeah, who knows. Yeah, I think it's a good film. He definitely deserves some kind of award recognition, at least a nomination for Zamed.

Yeah, I agree. Everyone else was pretty good. I thought Olivia Cook was just like whatever. I thought she could have done. Like, you know, he was just fine. You know? Yeah. I feel like someone else could have made it much.

Yeah, someone else could have made it much more interesting. And I would have liked the film to focus much more on her too. Because there's a lot of like stuff going on with her that's like, okay, so what's exactly going on with her? Where is she right now? Yeah, she kind of just left. The film is a bit short. I guess it's good to leave people wanting more. But it could have been a bit longer.

I would have preferred an over two hour long movie. Oh, really? Because I was enjoying the character a month, that much. Yeah. I didn't have any issues with the length. Yeah, yeah. But, like, you know, we have many series that kind of flesh out characters a bit more than this kind of movie. And it's like, okay, if this really wants to be a five-star movie or like a nine, then we could have, like, really delved into Olivia Cook's character and made the film a bit longer.

Because I was really enjoying it. I guess. It wasn't really about it. feel was dragging at all. I enjoyed it a lot. Yeah, it wasn't about her. Right. Yeah, I liked the pace actually. I liked the length. For being Riz Ahmed's story,

I think it works with, it's a complete story, a complete package. And the Olivia Cook stuff's more. There's a lot more implied stuff with the dad and everything and the suicide of her mom and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,

uh, yeah, this was directed by, uh, Darius Marder Who His debut Place Beyond the Pines Yeah he wrote

Place Beyond the Pines With some other people Apparently he's directed A documentary before this Called Lute in 2008 That nobody saw So yeah This is basically his

His directorial debut Yeah Really good stuff Yeah I liked the first third Of Place Beyond the Pines So Yeah a lot of people

Feel the same way Yeah Yeah that's someone it's like three movies, isn't it? In one, basically. Yeah, and one of them is really great. And then they just get more boring as it goes along.

Yeah. Yeah, it's very ambitious. It feels similar to that. Southern metal is much better, I think. It's much more consistent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. What would you give this? I'm curious, what he's going to do next. At a 10. Oh, yeah. Or five. At a 10.

I'll do both. At a five, it's like four out of five. so 8 out of 10. Yeah, Riz Ahmed's great. So, see it's just for him. Yeah, I'm with you, Rafa. This is a four star for me. Really enjoyed it.

Just anything Riz Ahmed is in, I'm just into his performance. He's got such an intensity to him, especially for him. Yeah, I'd really recommend checking this out, especially on Amazon, so hop on. And I'm giving this one a 7 out of 10. It's closer to an 8th, then a 6.

We'll see what happens on my next viewing. But I liked it a lot. I would recommend it. everybody. It's really great. I thought it was dink. Nice. All right. And I guess now it's time for the actual movie discussion.

I would recommend it to us. The real one. By Ralph. Yeah. Santa Metal's a real movie. I mean, but this is the actual discussion though. Yeah, this is the actual discussion that everyone's been waiting for. It's called

bicycle thieves from the year 1948. The Italian name, Laudrie de Picclete. Okay. Picclete? Yeah, I guess so. Films, yeah, so I enjoyed it a lot, obviously. This is a spoiler discussion.

It's part of the, like, I guess we talked about French new wave before, or we've mentioned it, I think, at some point. This is like an Italian new wave, kind of a more naturalistic, more about the people of Italy, you know, shot on the street. very had a very natural feel um it was about like italian things going on at the time is like poverty themes of poverty in the movie so yeah i just wanted to recommend it because i thought it was interesting and i wanted to get your thoughts on it even though it's a short movie i thought it was very powerful and and i liked it a lot i think it's a very important italian movie so and there's a criterion of it as well right yes i think so yeah is that is how you guys watched it? No, I used

the internet because my criterion wouldn't have shown up in time. Okay. Yeah, in the UK it's on a, like, an Amazon subsidiary streaming thing called, like, Mooby or something. It's like a art film thing. I'm so lucky it was on there, so I could, yeah.

It's so many weird ones. I know. Yeah, I'm sure people, it's like a very historically, you know, important movie, so you could probably find on, like, some streaming service. You have some, like, art House one. Maybe not Disney Plus. Not something like that.

You guys liked it? I did. Yeah, I really liked it. It won me over by the end of it. I wasn't completely digging it in the first like 20 minutes or so. Just like I didn't really feel like the tone of the score was like justified throughout. It was weird. It kind of felt like a really sappy music and I wasn't like super interested in things. that were happening, but it started picking up, and I really enjoyed it.

And I, you know, I guess when the film started out, I was mostly concerning myself with, like, there's this understanding that something is like a classic historical film. It's like the number 100 on the top 250 on IMDB also. And I was just like, what's in this that justifies that? But then by the end of it, I was like, oh, okay, I get it. I really enjoyed the kids acting, for sure. I think that he was the best part. He was the standout to me.

Yeah, which is weird. Yeah, I thought he was excellent. Very simple story. Very simple story. Very effective. I think especially for the time, like compared to a Hollywood movie, everything seemed pretty like kind of like a drama you would watch today in terms of acting. You know, it was very believable.

Like the characters weren't exaggerated at all. It wasn't really theater acting. And there were no instances, I think, in this movie of like dated acting. I thought it was all really believable. And everything, nothing felt like a said. It all felt real. And like even the corporation of weather. and other elements that made things very complicated, lots of extras.

Yeah, it almost seemed like a documentary at points. Yeah. So kind of believable and realistic. It reminded me of Roma. Like, it's just a drama, but the actual, like, integration of the sets and, like, the set pieces almost made it so, like, interesting to watch. Like, wow, it's just two people talking, but this is fucking awesome, the complexity of this cinematography. The scale of the production I found very impressive with the way they, just Rome was. so packed with so many extras and people it was bustling and like a the the scene where they go to the

the market with all the bike pieces and there's just so much going on it's so complicated and the way it's coordinated is so impressive to me that's really keeping me going because i was a bit there with you adam at first in the same way where it was i'm not emotionally connecting with this beyond just how impressive i'm finding this movie but towards the end when the title comes into play more with the because I was really confused with when I was always reading the name as bicycle thief and I'd seen it written as bicycle thief before um yeah and apparently that comes from some mistranslation in the 90s or something that stuck around and then it was flip back to thieves because it being translated from Italian and whatnot but yeah when in that last section where

the lead character attempts to steal the bike and the the story kind of comes full circle and you see the the way that that drama concludes, that really gave the story a lot of emotional resonance for me and just seeing like the kid seeing his dad fall to such a lows and just the misery that this situation has forced the character into. It's really heartbreaking and powerful stuff. It's definitely a film that's like building up to the climax, which is that scene. Like it's all built up to that. And that scene's awesome. I agree with what you guys are saying kind of the first 20 minutes. It takes a while to start. It's slow pace. So, But once it, I think it really gets going.

I thought the pacing was pretty brisk. Yeah, I thought it actually very brisk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like the characters a lot. Like you said, the child performances are really good. A lot of crying.

A lot of arguing. It's really convincing now. Yeah, it is, it is. I felt so sorry for all the kids in the movie because, of course, it was shot in the 40s and, you know, children were treated in a pretty different way to the way they are now. So there's lots of, like, kids, like, crying, being. smacked I love the

when the kid actor he like falls in the puddle or whatever in the way just his acting the way he's like running his hands down his clothes

getting the water off it just seems so genuine and so believable and yeah I really liked that kid actor and I thought he was brilliant a lot of brilliance

in this movie it feels very authentic especially like just with the coordination of of like extras in any environment you only really

think of of like the two actors as is like actors and then everybody else just seems like a regular person like going about their day sort of thing. Right. It's like everyone has their own lives going on. Yeah, another thing that was carrying me through it was just the historical aspect of it, just seeing Rome in the 40s because a lot of it was obviously shot on location. Like apparently there's even a shot where the little kid almost gets hit by a couple cars and it's like not planned. So seeing all the old You know all the old clothing and cars and everything

It's fascinating from that kind of perspective too Yeah There was a moment that I was like kind of confused by Where it looked like like the kid was about to like piss on a wall or something And I didn't really understand what was happening Oh yeah Was that the implication there? Yeah I assumed he was going to pee or something

Maybe It was a really weird moment I didn't really get what was happening Whatever doesn't matter too much I like when he just gave his kid wine That was cool

Oh yeah Yeah it's a very European thing I Yeah they love wine Get your kid drunk Yeah it's different in Italy They don't want to get the kid drunk It's just like you can have some wine Yeah

It's like the 40s A bit of wine off to Wobble 2 Yeah Yeah everyone drinks wine there It's fine And wine's actually not that bad for you Wine's good for you I mean don't drink too much wine

But wine's pretty good for you. If you have a glass of wine a day, you'll be fun. It might be better. Maybe. That's what a lot of Italians do. Yeah. A glass of ever clear a day. There is a scene they're reading.

Yeah. And there is wine. Which is great. It's very Italian. Yeah, it was really well filmed overall. The one part that I didn't look great was the like projector background in the vehicle sort of thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

It's like a dated thing. Yeah, that was my only To go back to the food Sure He like the lines like He looks over like a rich family And there's like a rich snobby kid eating something And he's like to eat like that

You need to make 10 times what we make I'm like what you're eating It's pretty fucking good though I was looking at what they were eating Mozzarella sandwich Yeah it's like delicious yeah It was like fried mozzarella I'm like you know you see like the cheese

Like ooze out Yeah That's fucking good like Italian Yeah that was some It was awesome. Basically an entire sequence dedicated towards stretchy cheese. Right. And he's eating like some pasta dish or something.

Oh, that's good. And they're drinking wine too. That's pretty funny. Yeah, it's like it's a good day. Yeah. Like, you guys are doing fine. For the moment. For the moment.

Yeah, for the moment. The scene ends really like kind of sadly though. As in like you can see like the father like break down when he's like trying to distract himself. Yeah. Yeah. Situation. Like that's pretty much why they're there.

Mm-hmm, exactly. And then just reality sets back in. Mm-hmm. The end of the movie is brutal. Yeah, I mean, it's a tragedy. No, that's what makes it so powerful, I think. So you have that hope the whole time that maybe he'll manage to get it back, but of course he doesn't, because that's not really the way that works with this kind of stuff,

especially post-World War II, where it's just complete chaos with crime and stuff like that and trying to keep on top of it. And just with how organized and when he does find the kid eventually, who originally stole the bike and all of his guys kind of stand up for him and there's just nothing the single man can do against the group of you know the group that the kid was a part of community of you know and that kind of inspires him to be like well maybe I can do that then if it's that easy to get away with yeah and yeah leading into that final scene yeah yeah so two wrongs don't make a right thing yeah he's so desperate at that point

how poverty drives desperation and crime like in Italy and how yeah it's just like it's an endless cycle just makes it worse and it's yeah it's not even like the there's there's a mustache twirling villain even it's just like no you know it's just they're victim of circumstance yeah it's just like that's the way it is like that's the way the world is right and like they're actually let off scot-free relatively at the end the guy lets them go like yeah i don't want to press charges and let them off just Demoralized. Yeah.

Just demoralized. But that relatively is a happy ending compared to what could have happened. True. Yeah. But you just left there. He's just worse off than he is at the beginning. He doesn't get the bike back.

He's probably going to lose his job because he needed the bike to keep it. Yeah. They pond all their shit to get that bike. So they have even less now. Yeah. It's almost like in a different movie, this would be the first third of it story-wise. And then there would be some way.

that he would fix everything by the end of it, but nope. But there is no way to fix it yet. You can't fix the world. Yeah. Well, you never know what happens to this character after the movie ends, you know? Mm-hmm. There's many different possibilities. Yeah, it could have been okay.

Yeah. But I guess just the film itself is just telling that part of the story, which I think is really interesting. Yeah, it's proving that point. Like, that's where the story needs to end, you know. And I like that it doesn't end with him, like, going to jail or something. Yeah, I like that too. I think that would have been a little too far in the other direction of morbidity, yeah, or whatever you want to call it.

It's just too, yeah, it's just too, yeah, it's too sad. The kids, it was already pretty sad. If it was Ariaster, you would have done that. I mean, he would have gotten murdered. He would have gotten some piano wire. Putting a bare, yeah. Yeah, putting a bare little fire. All right.

There was a very enjoyable recommendation, Ralph. Did it make you cry? No. Nothing makes me cry. Apparently it made some people already cry. Yeah. No, it was really emotionally impactful for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's good like, it's very accessible, I think. I think anyone who watches this would like it. Yeah. That's why I like about a lot of Italian cinema. It's like an introduction to all these like... Just get past the first 20 minutes.

I like the first 20 minutes. I think I'll enjoy it more the next time. I watch it just like I didn't know what I was grabbing onto watching it the first time. I was just thinking yeah I got what you're saying but I really enjoy every part of the movie like it just it takes a while to get into it I definitely agree but like in terms of introducing this kind of film movement to like someone like if you've never seen a kind of European neorealism movie this is definitely one of the best ones like it's so it's very intimate and like believable I think yeah very much you don't have to

know anything about the back story to just like wow that was a really good drama yeah it's really really really well done and it does move fast and is short so yeah you're right mm-hmm it's very brisk and yeah i guess i criticized sound of metal i said it should have been longer uh not that it should have been longer like it needed to be a better movie but this is one where i thought like the the length really it feels like very tight piece the themes that are very clear about poverty and desperation yeah It's just like, okay, point-proved, move on. It's very Italian. Forget about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, forget about it. Yeah, it works really well. I did notice the wrist movements, even from the child, it was pretty funny. Yeah. This is a very clever movie. It's very, very well made. I love the music as well.

You said the music was feeling cheesy. I thought the music's pretty great. I just, it felt really sappy at the beginning of the movie. movie. Like, it complimented it better as it went along, but, like, yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't huge into the music, like, early on. I just felt like a lot of it just, the tone wasn't justified. Maybe they were trying to make it seem a bit more hopeful, because that is the point that's, like, the every day in their life, like, oh, this is supposed to be fine for them, even though, I mean, relatively, it's not great, but at least they have the bike still, or at least they have some

amount of wealth at that point. Yeah, because I suppose the start of the movie's the hopeful part, because he managed to actually get the bike and get a job and it all. seems on the up and up. Yeah. After that 20 minutes when the bike gets stolen, that's when it all starts to spiral. Mm-hmm. Do, do, do, do, do, do it's like that kind of.

Yeah, I don't know. It just felt like the tone of it was really sappy. Like, borderline generic, but I know saying generic is a weird thing to say about something in the 40s, because then it's like, I don't have any frame of reference to know, like, well, this could have been the first one that did it, and now it sounds generic. Like, I don't know.

So, I mean, just... I would have liked to been there at the time and kind of got that experience, just in that mindset. Yeah. Because it is very, like the, after that 20 minutes, it is very, the neorealism or whatever kind of goes up. Like, it becomes much more of a, like, that kind of modern day movie. I wonder if at that time, people were like, oh, this is a little, it's a little weird, a little too dark. Mm-hmm. A little boring.

Yeah, probably. Yeah, they might have thought that back then. And then the first 20 minutes are fairly like kind of normal, I think for that time, more of the time. I enjoyed the whole thing. I think it's pretty great. I've seen it a few times. And yeah, yeah. And the last, the endings, too, the ending, the climax is the best part.

Yeah, I agree. Once you get to that, it's like, yeah, it's, once it builds up to that part, you're like, yeah, the whole thing was worth it. Any minor criticism I might have had is, you know, this ending justifies the whole thing. Yeah. Existing. Yeah, I'm with you. And a lot of movies kind of wish. would have something that good, like, at the end.

Especially compared to, like, how short the film is, how little we got from these characters in the amount of time. And yet, like, you know, I got to know a lot about them and sympathize with them. Awesome. And wasn't it a thing where, like, the little kid was just, like, plucked off the set when they were filmed? Yeah. Like, a lot of the actors, like, didn't have experience.

So that does help with the, you know, the genuine nature of it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. The realism vibe. The production company adopted him. Yeah. He's very likable. Everyone was very likable.

Looked him off the street like Naomi Watts. Yeah, their characters are very friendly, vulnerable. He takes a lot of criticism at the end. I felt very like sorry for him. You know, all those people yelling at him and he couldn't really do anything about it. A lot of like they play up the vulnerable. Yeah, slapping him.

They play up the vulnerable qualities of these characters to make you like really sympathize with him. Obviously a kid. You're going to sympathize with a kid who has no money. get slapped by the guy and he loses his temper. Like, yeah, it's just like, oh, I really actually give a shit about these people. I feel sorry for them. I want the empathy that they build for these characters is it makes it an interesting movie.

Yeah. I don't think a lot of movies have that either. Yeah, I'm just noticing this other poster for The Bicycle Thief. I never saw it that way. Is it like a different, uh, it's like a different, uh, it's the, the same movie? Yeah, that must be what I'm talking about when I was getting confused over. Yeah, yeah, very weird. I went to the kid's IMDB page to see if he was anything else, and that's the, the picture is just the poster for the bicycle thief. Yeah, it's a Lodry D. B,

Cicletta, that's, Lodry is thieves. It's like, Lodro would be a thief. Yeah, so I don't know. Yeah, it needs to be plural for the title to kind of have more meaning. I guess it spoils it It could be either way I don't know if it spoils it because like when you see the group of them You assume those people are all Bicycle Decent like they've got like an operation So it doesn't really spoil the character

The main character's ending Yeah yeah I never expected to go that direction And then he just like by the end of it He becomes a part of the title basically Yeah Yeah Because the movie is really about him He's the bicycle thief

What are we some kind of It was me. Yeah, there's never a line like that. Why not? Yeah, there should have been. That would have made a much better. And they remake it, don't we're? This film looks so much better than, like, Suicide Squad.

It came out, like, in 1940s. It was really gorgeous lighting. Even just, like, the lenses they use. Like, I love, like, the out-of-focus stuff in the background. Like, the blur just looks so good. Like, yeah, it looked fucking awesome. I think you'll find most movies look amazing compared to suicide squad. Yeah, that is like...

Not saying this movie doesn't look great, but... Uh-huh. Yeah. Comparing it to suicide squad is a pretty, pretty easy comparison. Anything compared to suicide squad, yeah. Yeah, Jim carries the mask looks amazing compared to suicide squad. It actually does. It does, I know, right? It's a very well-frained movie.

I can imagine, like, just watching it with the same. sound off. I'd still really enjoy it. I'm giving this one an 8 out of 10. It might get higher on a second much, but that's what I'm giving it for now. Yeah. Yeah, I'm torn between a sort of 8 or 9. I did like the simplicity

and the realism of it. Check it out on this mooby thing for anyone in the UK. You got a 7-day free trial so you can literally watch it for free, so you've got no excuse. There you go. We should get them the sponsors. Yeah, man.

I give bicycle thieves a 10 out of 10 or at least a 9. It's definitely at least a 9. I think I'm a little bias. Is the Cinema Paradiso feel? Well, I guess Cinema Paradiso is inspired by this with the kid and the projector kind of friendship. Yeah, it reminded me of that. I think this one stuck with me more than Cinema Paradisia. Yeah, I think I prepared to...

Yeah, well, this is definitely a staple of Italian cinema, yeah, so... Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, I totally understand why. I'd probably agree with you. Like, objectively, this is probably a better film. Mm-hmm. It works more as its own. Well, like, because if you don't have a love of cinema or whatever, then cinema

a peridiso, I guess it's still great. Obviously, you can still enjoy those characters. It's not as good as, like, someone like me enjoying it, because, you know, I love movies or whatever, movie theaters or whatever the hell. I have more of a connection to that kind of stuff. This film just works on it. as a drama, very self-contained. All right, so I guess that's bicycle thieves.

Glad you guys enjoyed it. Awesome. Okay. Let's do some questions then from the Sardonicast community. If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer in future episodes, head over to the Sardonicast subreddit, where there'll be a suggestion thread. Let's start with this one then from Rosa G.B. Have you guys done much traveling outside of your respective countries? Where have you been?

and what were your favorite experiences? Are there any places you particularly like to visit in the future, given the chance, once things are back to normal? Canada is nice. But you're like, you're doing like the American version of Canada where you just go to like Niagara Falls. Yeah. Where have you actually been?

That's technically Canada. That's not going to Canada. Niagara Falls, that's it. All right. So aside from Canada, I've been to... Yeah, you went like 20 minutes across the border or some shit to go to a tourist destination. Yeah, yeah.

You visited Canada. stayed at a Marriott I went to Mexico like deep into Mexico not just like on the not like New Mexico or Arizona I went to Italy Italy was very nice

yeah that's about it the Caribbean islands are cool yeah I just started getting the travel bug right as I know right stuff started happening like so annoying

yeah in 2019 I went to Athens which was awesome cool yeah I wanted to go. Actually, for my birthday, I had a trip book to Amsterdam, but obviously that was cancelled because of COVID. So I'm hoping to get back on that.

I want to go back to New Zealand. I want to go to America, Canada. I want to go. There aren't many places I don't want to go, to be honest. Yeah, I want to go to the UK at some point. Or Europe. Yeah, it's not the best over here at the moment, but, you should probably see it.

Yeah, definitely not at the moment. I'd like to just show up there and be like, so this is why people call it a shithole. And then like, I'll have that perspective and then be fine with that, you know? Yeah, man. In Italy, I went to Frosinone,

uh, Venice, Florence, and Rome. Rome is, Rome is kind of dumpy. Yeah, a lot of people. It was like bicycle thieves still. That's funny. It's like the same shit. Florence was nice. Florence is very nice. Lots of good food.

and Venice is nice, but it's sinking. They keep building up. I know, right. We saw another movie. Don't look now. It takes place in Venice. Yeah. The floor was five feet lower back then.

They keep building up. Yeah. That is terrifying. It is terrifying. It'll probably be gone, like, at some point. We'll see. About you, Adam? I've been to France.

I've been to probably, like six different states in the U.S., I think at least. I've been to Punta Cana, the Dominican Republic. Oh, wow. I went to Spain when I was younger, like 13 or something, like family trip. Cool. Did you remember where you went in? In Spain.

Yeah, I think I went to bustle-in when I was like 15. Yeah, it was somewhere. I don't know. I'd have to ask my parents. So, Alex, you've been to the U.S. before, Alex, did you say? I did when I was, I think, 12. Went to California. Because you have to stop off,

to get to New Zealand, you have to stop off either in China or America. So we stopped off in California and stayed in a hotel for a few days. I don't really remember that much because I was so young, but it seemed cool. All I really remember is in the hotel, like all the crazy cereals that are very colorful compared to what they are. Fruit loops or whatever.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I was just asking what states you'd been to. Yeah, all the states are very different. They're almost like their own countries. I've been to Texas, Hawaii, Arizona, California, Nevada, Illinois, Montana, probably somewhere else, Washington, so that's eight.

Cool. Yeah. Where was, Sundance was in Utah. Okay, nine then, yeah, I've been to Utah. Yeah, it's very, so you've seen like a lot of variety, like Hawaii, Utah and Illinois. Yeah, I mean like, there's a... There's an insane variety just within my own country, too. And I haven't even explored everywhere that I possibly could in my country.

There's provinces that I haven't been to. There's tons that I haven't done in my own country. Yeah. It would be cool to visit eastern Canada at some point, like far east Canada. Because that's supposed to be kind of interesting. Yeah, tons of different vibes. There's like a French Canada, you know. Isn't that weird?

It's just the whole French province. Yeah, obviously the UK is like probably smaller than like a single state in America. So I've got a few less options in terms of that kind of stuff. So I've seen a lot of the UK. I've never been to Scotland, though. Been to Wales a fair bunch. Yeah, that's right. Isle of White is quite nice.

Isle of White? Yeah, it's like a tiny island off the UK. Okay. Just called the Ardolwai. I never heard of it. Yeah, I don't think I've been to the UK at all. to go to Scotland. I'd like to go to France. I'd like to go to UK. Yeah. Where else? I'd like to go to a lot places in Europe. Yeah. Europe seems nice. Yeah, I would like to go to Germany and I would like to go to

South Korea. I know a lot of people like really hype up the whole Japan thing, but I feel like like South Korea would be more interesting. I could do Japan someday for sure. I do I do want to go to Japan. I'd like to go to Japan, definitely. In South Korea. Japan and South Korea, I'd like to do, I'd like to go to both of them. What about Australia? Australia. That's so far. It's so far. Fuck that.

It's pretty hardcore. I'd never felt that kind of heat before. Yeah. By the Sydney Opera House. I was like suffering. It was on the same trip when I was like 12. I'll do that someday, but like in their winter.

Yeah, it's the animals too That puts me off so much Like my auntie Like just showed me like a casual black widow And stuff like that And you know The dogs getting attacked by snakes and stuff It's just parrots flying around

It's very odd Everything wants to kill you Vietnam Vietnam's apparently nice I'll go there For vacation Yeah, we'll see What happens post COVID

I'm excited to be able to travel again Regardless of how much traveling I actually do I know. You don't miss it to you. I don't have a choice anymore. Yeah, I wanted to go to California just like last weekend. But the travel and all that shit, you know, they were closing everything down over their restaurants. It just wasn't worth it.

I'm like, all right, fuck this. Yeah. Yeah. I went to Boston and said, yeah, it's going back and forth. It's not even worth traveling. Yeah, it's just so much restriction. Yeah. In another year or less, maybe?

I don't know. Depends. Yeah, we'll see. Depends how people are with vaccines, I guess. Yeah. They're rolling it out. Yeah. It'll be like I am legend.

Exactly. You know, I'd forgotten about that bloody movie until you said it. That movie sucks, too. It's bad. I remember funny, that was the first 12 I saw at the cinema. Was Iron Legend. They killed a dog. Yeah.

When I think bad movie endings, I think of that movie. Will Smith blown himself up. Spoiler. It's like an alternate one on the DVD. Yeah, and it's just, it seems so much better. Oh, what's your? So, okay, so for context, spoilers for I am legend. The shitty ending that we got was Will Smith is like,

they're trying to break in to this space over here. The vampires, yeah. So I'm going to detonate this bomb while you guys go hide in here. And they're like, come hide in here with us. And he's like, no, I won't fit. But it's so obvious that he'll fit. Like, it's like, there's no reason that, like, there's literally no reason at all that he has to sacrifice himself other than to be noble for the audience, right? So he kills himself and that's the end of the movie.

But in the original, I don't remember if this was based off a book or a comic or something. Or maybe it was just the original, yeah, the original ending that they had planned but decided not to go with was that he found out that the creatures he'd been fighting this whole time were like, they saw. him as the enemy and they were actually smarter than the film led you to believe and that everything that they were doing throughout the film was more defensive than offensive. And so, like, he had kidnapped one of them and they were just, like, trying to get them back sort of thing. And so he was like, I was the villain the whole time. It seemed like a bit too, I don't know, challenging, I guess, for an average audience.

Yeah, that sounds kind of dumb, too. Yeah. Depending on how it's handled. I don't know. It's at least more interesting. Definitely. Then what they did, what they did was pretty dumb. I mean, the whole concept of the movie was dumb.

Yeah? Yeah. That's where you got. It's pretty bad. But I remember it like building up tension and then you see the vampire monsters and they're these really stupid like, CG exaggerated thing. Like in that final scene. It looked shitty even when it came out.

Yeah, exactly. Like smashing his head against the glass and stuff. And it's just like no subtlety to it. Yeah. Popcorn movie, I guess. It's just supposed to be fun. Don't think about it. That's like all of Will Smith's movies, though.

Yeah, it is very Will Smith. I've definitely noticed a decline in his movies. Like, they're just so kind of dumb. Like, after Earth feels like I Am Legend, it feels like a downgrade of that. Or like collateral beauty. Like, I don't even know what that was trying to be. That's like seven pounds if it was even worse. I noticed that.

Is it like a Western that he was in? The movie he declined The Matrix to do. It was like some Western. Oh, Wild Wild West. Yeah, I saw that. I don't know what it's like. Wic-a-W-W-W-W-W-W. He made a song for the movie.

His music career. Not a huge fan of his music. Microwave Chicken, 454 has one for us. What are some great movies with terrible posters? Sometimes you've got to proofread these things, guys. These can either completely misleading or just plain bad. Great movies are terrible posters, basically. Um, one that jumps to my mind is actually Lord of the Rings. I don't really like the posters

very much, despite how much I adore the movies. I feel like it started that just shoving all the main actors like in a row thing that like all the big blockbusters do now. I feel like you get way and created. Yeah. Yeah. I get why they do it, but it's not like the best posters or anything. I guess the X-Men movies aren't great, but X-Men first class, that's like an infamous example. I think we mentioned it of like the silhouette and it has like James McAvoy's face in the middle. That's bad. The homeland, uh, or not homecoming, Spider-Man homecoming. That poster pretty crappy. Like you said, Alex, the oversaturation of elements. Like just a bunch of crap thrown on. Yeah. We're like far from home. It just looks like, uh, like the Photoshop is pretty

bad too. I don't think Photoshop should be like too noticeable in, in like a poster. Yeah, agreed. where it just looks like it's a big collage. It just looks very, I don't know, corny. I've noticed, like, a few posters that are basically, like, alternates for movies that are good, where it's like they get marketed in a different country, and you see just how another country decided to market it, I guess. There's, like, there's a Japanese poster for Syneciki in New York that looks a little too silly, a little too, like, comedic in town. Yeah, that's usually not great.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm trying to think of the ones that are like good movies that have shitty posters that are like American though. Usually good movies have good posters, I think. Or at least my version of good movies. Or at least great movies. Yeah. At least great movies.

Like, I'm trying to think. Hmm. I'm scanning my Blu-ray shelf. It's harder with great movies because, you know, obviously the worst movies are the worst posters. Yeah. I know that there's like a bunch of really good movies that have posters that are just, pretty generic looking at least Mm-hmm

Right There's just kind of minimalist or whatever Yeah I feel the same way Children of Men kind of standardized Like I don't know like the poster Oh here fuck I've got a great answer The poster for a Blade Runner 2049 because it shows

Fucking Yeah I agree with you With all the just all the characters Like in front of each other Yeah Harrison Ford is spoiled In that movie It also looks pretty generic on its own but like, I don't know, the whole marketing campaign for that one, it was not supposed to reveal that Harrison Ford is in it.

But they just went against what Denis Villeneuve wanted. Yeah, that's a great answer. That's a really bad poster. Yeah. Whatever. Thanks, Sony. I mentioned children of men because it's just kind of clive on the cover and, like, text. Like, there's nothing really to market with that movie.

It's usually just like, yeah, it's just him. Yeah. If they just put him and they put the text, there's nothing. Yeah. That's all. What are you going to do with these movies? Yeah, it doesn't really annoy me that much with movies because it is just a marketing thing, you know?

So people see, oh, Ryan Gozzling's in that. Let's go see that. I do like a poster being good. It is like a video game cartridge. Like, oh, it makes your mind buzz. So, oh, what's this going to be about? Yeah. It shouldn't spoil or be misleading, though.

Mm-hmm. That, but Tarantino posters are always pretty great. Edgar Wright movies. Hot Fuzz and Sean a Dead. have very memorable posters, I think. Yeah. I was just looking through, like, my favorites list. None of them are, like, that bad.

I don't look at any of these, like, they're bad posters. It just doesn't get much worse than that first class one, to be honest. Yeah, at that point, I feel like I've seen a new... There's some bad posters out there, but... Mm-hmm. Not a whole lot on great movies. I'm sure that there's some that I'm not remembering right now, but... Yeah, those posters for, like, mock busters.

Mm-hmm. There's one I saw that was funny. It was, like, ex-Machina. You know, it looked like the same exact thing. Oh, yeah. But it was, yeah. It was like the same exact poster, except it looked really shitty.

Let's see if I could find the name of it. Yeah, here it is. AI Rising. Nice. A. A. Rising. Good title.

That's a bad poster if you want to see. Oh, yeah, that is bad. There you go. Yeah. There's like a list on letterbox, like, posters that rip off, you know, other movies. That's where that's like one of them like, Wow. Yeah, that's really bad.

That is horrendous. But yeah, you could find that list. If you want to see more shit like that. No place for a hero has this to say. Does it ever feel overwhelming to edit and store hundreds of gigabytes of footage from movies you hate? I tried making a review of a movie I liked and I got sick of looking at it after about an hour. I can't imagine sorting through 10 hours of Lion King 2019 bonus features on nine movies worth of dream work. trip-offs without having an utter breakdown.

I'm only honest because Adam seems to have a good time scrubbing through terrible movies. It was closer to 40 hours of language. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, it's, if I wasn't able to have the, I guess, mental fortitude to go through all that shit, then it just wouldn't be in my videos, right? So, like, that's part of what separates my videos is that I'm going through so much bullshit promotional material where I'm literally like

I'll look at every single one of these search results on YouTube I don't give a fuck because I want to you know sometimes it's hard to find little exploitable moments sometimes you do have to dig that deep to find parts that will turn out being like some of the funniest moments in the review or some of the best supporting pieces of information

even yeah I don't know if I've just got an inverse brain or something because it's the most fun part to me is like just finding the stuff, you know, and just going through it. I like that stuff. I don't know. Yeah, I enjoy it too. Okay. Yeah, that's all I have that.

That was the question, just how do you do it? I don't know. I was just like, if you like it, like how do you fucking stand it? I enjoy it, just fine. Yeah. I like looking through shit. It makes me laugh. As long as it's making me think something in some way, you know?

Like, if it's absolutely just. straight down the middle, just no response from anything that can be. Like, just incredibly hard to get through, but a lot of the time, I don't know, just promotes you thinking about stuff. Let's do this one then from It's Paul Cruz. What are your thoughts on John Favreau? On one hand, I know all of you, especially Adam, were disappointed with Lion King 2019, though after watching The Mandalorian, I'm pretty impressed by his storytelling abilities.

And yeah, I was surprised to see him show up in The Sopranos even Yeah He's got a history of, I don't know, he's done some of okay stuff Um, chef is incredible obviously I thought it was fine I didn't- Chef's pretty good Chef's pretty good I like Chef I was lukewarm on it Yeah, yeah, memes aside I think it's good Um, Swingers like I think Swingers like his big breakout

I like Iron Man he's got good stuff yeah he just strikes me as like the um he loves the technology side it's it's why we got lion king but it's also why we got like the mandolarian you know he's just obsessed with the tinkering and that dome thing he's made for mandolarian and the jungle book and everything he's one of those kind of directors that wants to push those boundaries and i don't know it can work and it cannot but i don't know i'm not i don't completely write him off just because of the Lion King, to be honest, because I think he's good at the kind of

campy serial kind of storytelling that does work well for your Iron Man's and your Star Warsy kind of stuff. Yeah, even his best movies I've found to be good. I've never been, like, blown away by his films. So,

I don't know. He's got some cool ideas. Like, there's that whole gigantic screen room thing in the Mandalorian. Like, there's some cool technology ideas for sure. Yeah, that is cool. That he gets to work with and that's awesome. As a storyteller, I'm not like, I wouldn't say that he's like amazing or anything. Yeah, that's the thing. I feel his stuff usually plays it very safe. It's usually good. I wouldn't even say any of his films are bad and I haven't

seen Jungle Book or Lion King, but they're never like, they never excel in any way. They're never that memorable. I always forget he made Elf. Oh yeah, Elf. That's kind of a Christmas classic, but you know, Personally, I find it kind of annoying. Yeah, I was never huge on that movie either. I'm surprised that a lot of people speak so positively about it. Yeah, people really like that movie. And I understand it. People think it's funny.

People like Wolf Feral, too. I'm not a huge Will Feral guy. Me neither. Yeah. But he's done a... Like Iron Man, I think, is pretty... Cowboys and aliens? Cowboys and aliens sucks, yeah.

Like, that's his shit. He's direct? Yeah, he did. It's just stupid. It's fucking dumb. Yeah, it's really steeping. But, like, Iron Man is really... The technology side of Iron Man, too,

like, that's a really well-made movie, I thought. In terms of, like, his directing style, I just, like... There's so many movies of him from him that he's directed, and I wouldn't be able to tell you that he was the director without, like, looking that up. Yeah. He's, like, very bland and generic

in terms of, like, how he films things. And for the most part, aside from some technology stuff, I guess. Yeah. Well, yeah, because he's... I mean, he's acted in a lot of things, and he's obviously got his comedic kind of chops, so I guess he approaches it more from that angle.

Yeah, exactly. And at the playing it's safe, like he gets to work on these big franchises and kind of do things like that, because his movies aren't that out there or risky. I don't see, like, a Gaspar-No-A kind of director working on, you know, Lion King, because his movies are very risky.

Barry Jenkins. Barry Jenkins, that is. Linking, too. Although I feel like Moonlight is a pretty accessible movie. Like, I thought it was great anyway. I mean, maybe not for some people. I don't know. I wish I knew what most people liked.

I guess Scott Polgarum, like I thought people would like that shit. Movie bombed. True. All right. True. Brokeback 1-1-2, has one. What's the director you thought had potential but turned out to be sort of a one-trick pony? Or a hack.

Can't say George Lucas too easy Have an answer Hmm Chris Nolan Hack or one trick pony's a bit strong For who my gut is telling me to say But I feel like Tycho Atiti is

Bordering on Turning into that for me Because I don't know I really like boy and hunt for the wilder people And I was loving that side of him And now hearing that like He's doing a Star Wars movie movie and he's kind of been swallowed up into the Disney hole.

He's like John Favreau now. Well, yeah, yeah. I just hope we can get some more of his like quirky Kiwi stuff again. But I don't know. He's very successful, so I won't take that away from him. Okay. I've got like four directors right here. One of them being Andrew Nicol, who had kind of like a M-night trajectory with his films.

They just got worse and worse and worse. He did have more than one good one, though, so I don't know if I could call him a one-trick pony. He wrote the Truman Show. He directed Gattaca and Lord of War. And then just after that point, just completely just stopped making good things. In time?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, in time. That's bad. Adam Wingard. I liked the guest, and that was kind of... I wanted to see the rest of his stuff. and the rest of his stuff I noticed.

That's funny. It's not so good. Yeah, it's not so good. Death, no. We've got Jeff Nichols, director of shotgun stories, which was fine. Take Shelter, which I really liked. Mud, which was a lot of people liked, but I didn't.

I remember liking mud. I was just directing a bunch of bullshit that nobody watches. He seemed to have potential. Yeah, it was Midnight Special. I noticed it with that. It was like, oh, he's getting like these amazing casts, and it's just not hitting home, is it? Yeah.

We got Duncan Jones, director of Moon, then Source Code, then Warcraft, then Mute. We were talking about movies, like, deaf movies, or like a character that is deaf in the movie Sound of Metal. And I just thought of Mute. I was like, oh, yeah, that was a movie that tackled a similar kind of character. And yet Mute's fucking terrible. Yeah, it's really bad. It's a perfect example of like a director who totally just lost it.

I've forgotten about that. Yeah, there seemed to be a lot of potential there. Even Moon, I don't think is... Moon, I don't think is incredible, but I liked Moon a lot. And then I think Source Code is better film. I thought it was an improvement in a lot of ways. It was more complicated of a story and like execution. But then from there, just like, yeah, completely went down.

Yeah, Warcraft. Yeah, Warcraft. I'm like, this is dumb. I don't want to watch. And then mute is a piece of garbage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good answer, the Duncan Jones. I get another one here.

Dan Gilroy, director of Nightcrawler, then Roman J. Israel, Esquire, and then Velvet Buzzsaw. Yeah. So he had one really good movie. Yeah. Seemed to have potential. And then just the yikes. Yeah, Velvet Bus. Velvet Buzz was so bad.

Both of those movies are bad. Did you see the Roman J? I think I tried watching it. I watched 10, yeah, exactly. I tried watching. I couldn't even say the fucking title, right, exactly. A movie that nobody watched but got nominated for an Oscar anyway, for acting, I guess. All right, those are my answers.

There's a few of them there. There's a bunch. Somebody just makes a good movie and then turns out that was the only good movie they're going to make. M. Knight is, I guess, won. He had a few. I'd say he peaked early. Yeah. Split is all right.

Sarcastid Don has one for us. Since you guys all have fairly successful YouTube channels with well-edited content, what are your thoughts on Video Game Dunkey's recent stunt to satirize mainstream YouTubers and how this joke apparently helps him get a lot more exposure because of YouTube's algorithms that prefer quantity over quality? Do you guys see YouTube as a sustainable platform since decreasing the quality of your content and just pushing out shitty reaction videos and unedited gameplay footage every day

is something that's rewarded by this system. Exactly. What's rewarded is long content and more of it, I guess. Yeah, which you can't make unless you're like a mega... Right. Whoever uploads the most and the longest. Yeah, exactly. Or you just upload literally you're watching something for three hours or something like that. Which I'm not opposed to. I think that kind of content is actually good.

Like having long form content. I think that is a great kind of tool that we should use on this site that most other things, they just won't let you do it. Yeah, you know, like TV, you can't have a three hour long thing without commercials and, you know, but YouTube you can. So it's cool. But yeah, it's, I don't want to see shitty content. I don't want to oversaturation of three hour long fucking videos. Yeah, it's just the result of the algorithm. It's just you can't avoid it if you design the platform.

to reward certain behavior. That's just going to be the prevalent behavior. But as long as you, I think if you make good content and it's high quality and you put it out there, even if it's not so often, I feel like an independent creator could be okay and make money. Yeah. Or at least that's what I'm hoping. It must be much harder now to kind of first get noticed, I suppose. I don't know.

Yeah. With that kind of content. Mm-hmm. Exactly. It's very difficult. Yeah, everything's over saturated. But, I mean, like, I don't know, the market for what you would call higher quality content rather than just bullshitting out a bunch of dumb videos that you don't care about

and that nobody's going to rewatch, there's still a market for that, right? There's certain people who go to YouTube for certain things. There's certain people that go to YouTube for other things. So just because more people are doing one thing and more people are interested in watching one thing doesn't mean that there's nobody who's interested in watching something that you might do. want to make. So if you're doing your own thing and you're doing it for a reason and you like it, then chances are somebody else will probably like it too. I don't think it like kills the platform or makes it so that people who want to do that sort of thing can't operate. It's not like just because

the algorithm is incentivizing people to make content that's not like mine. I don't think that that that means that eventually my content will get phased out of existence. No, there will always be certain people looking for it, even if it's not as many. Yeah, I guess it's just a concern when, like, the last time the algorithm shifted and it, like, murdered all the animators who used to be. They kind of rolled the roost for a while in the earlier YouTube, because it was rewarding the rewatchable, but short kind of style instead of now. It's more about the watch time.

But, yeah, I suppose it's always possible if you find your niche and build an audience. show me your Bob Z-69 as one Do you sard ass bitches exercise If so, what do you do? Yeah, got exercise Well, I walk the dog Yeah, walking's a big one Run on the treadmill, elliptical, running

Yeah, a lot of running, bike riding, hiking I don't lift a lot of weights or do stuff like that Yeah, I only really started weight stuff this year because I've always just walking. I haven't gone to the gym a lot. Well, yeah. The gym hasn't been the most viable thing the last year. Yeah.

Yeah, I go on my exercise bike when I can. I play video games while I do it. I've got like entire series of games that I've played just on my exercise bike that I stream at the same time. So like my Dark Souls videos. You probably burnt quite a few calories doing Shrek 2 with the... Oh yeah, Meadsaber. Yeah, beat saver

Yeah, fuck I was doing Beat Sabre for exercise For a while And then Twitch changed their roles about Like copyrighted music and stuff And so I just like gave up It's just like, oh fuck Because like, I don't know

The more fun stuff on Beat Sabre Is the modded stuff Where you can just do whatever songs That people create And I just don't really play games If I can't stream them So Even if it's like workout time?

Well yeah, I mean the whole point of me working out while I'm playing a game and streaming it is so that I can justify doing it in my own head. That's funny. Yeah, multitask, yeah. Yeah, he's like, I need to monetize this and work out and play video game. Ultra efficiency. You need to create content, man. You need to create, yeah, it's funny.

Yeah. That's to, like, check off all the boxes. Exactly. Yeah, I used to love swimming, but. Swimming. Swimming. Swimming is fun, yeah. Yeah, it's awesome

But again, you can't really go to pools at the moment It's like, yeah And the summer I swam a lot Yeah Null mother has one about my homeland How do you all especially Alex feel about British people Becoming the internet's new favourite punching bag I don't know

It's probably deserved There's a lot of stuff to make fun It's easy to make fun of it, you know Just British culture is very silly Yeah, I don't know When you colonize like every single country on the fucking globe. Yeah.

I feel like you might get it like a little bit of fun jabby memes, you know. Yeah. The anyone that gets me is the accent one where everyone thinks everyone just speaks like a cockney all the time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In it, it's Tuesday. Yeah, that does exist, but like, it's not the majority of people. Like, I just love to imagine, like, what, like, the,

the average American thinks like it is like in the center of London if they've never been there. If we think it's like cockpick. If you just, yeah, if you just place it like Twitter memes, like it's like literally like show of homes or something. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what I imagine. I don't know, maybe it is that ridiculous and I'm just used to it. That's always possible. I don't know.

Like every, when people think Canadian accent, they think of like the most stereotypical version, right? True. Yeah. A boot. Shit like that. that. Yeah. I don't know.

British memes are kind of funny. I didn't realize it's like, it's now been more than usual. Although I guess like, yeah. I didn't realize it either. Yeah. Maybe you'll just start noticing it everywhere now. Yeah. I don't know.

Like, it's mostly just the accent thing is what I've noticed. That's about it. Yeah, we do have a pretty funny accent, but. Goosey McGooseface, too, has a good one. What dystopian film has hit the nail on the head in terms of how the future turned out? Blade Runner. Yeah, you took my answer. That's the one.

It literally, yeah. Megacorp, giant skyscrapers, yeah, pollution. Yeah, maybe not the flying cars, but the... The over, like, monetization, like, ads everywhere, kind of, like, lights and... Yeah, like, Times Square. Yeah. Mm-hmm. There's a bunch.

Dystopian. Yeah, it's perfect. The Holy Mountain. Plenty of scenes in that. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

It's a bizarre one. A bit more esoteric. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but I mean, like, they're talking about real things at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Like that whole sequence where everybody's, like, getting, like, these weird body mods and shit. Mm-hmm.

Like, wearing a mask to, like, pretend to be somebody else. Her had a very optimistic view of the future. I wouldn't call it dystopian. For some people that might be dystopian though Except for like the pollution Yeah Her there was a bit of pollution too Yeah

I guess that's something you can't really escape Yeah I'm trying to think I know that there's ones That like were even being mentioned Like a week ago that I'm trying to remember Mm-hmm Blade Runner is probably the most significant one

That's why it's so remembered I mean It is it is pretty accurate Maybe in time actually Yeah with everyone creating time around I'll give you a minute for an hour you're fucking with me right

I give you a minute for an hour ridiculous dialogue yeah great dialogue I don't know like I have no idea I know that there are ones that exist that I'm like gonna kick myself later for not remembering

how about looper looper what maybe if we time travel and then like there's elements of every kind of dystopian movie like Brazil like there are some elements in that I guess

it's not completely well yeah like Brazil kind of it's similar the uh yeah I don't know you're right you're right that's what I'm to say white draper teller asks this what are your thoughts on Breaking Bad's

Ozymandius does it deserve the hype of being the best TV episode of all time if not What do you think are the best episodes of TV ever? Which one is that? It's up there. What happens in that episode? Which episode?

I don't want to spoil it. It's one of the last episodes. We can just say spoilers. We've all seen it, right? Yeah, yeah. Spoilers for Ozzy Mandis. It's toward the end of Breaking Bad season 5 episode, like third to last episode. It's when, like, Walt loses everything.

Hank gets killed. Now goes on the run. Jesse's taken hostage. Marie convinces Sky. to tell Walt Jr. the truth. It's a Ryan Johnson one, actually. Yeah, Ryan Johnson. Also directed The Fly.

I like that episode a lot. I think it would be up there for Breaking Bad episodes. Probably the best episodes ever. It is very well done. Like the drama. Do you like the fly? I never really understood

the controversy over the fly. Because some people like hate that episode. Basically skip it. It has no significance in the plot. Yeah. It can be seen as a filler episode. I think it's very significant in terms of like,

the character arcs. But in terms of the plot, the rest of Breaking Bad is pretty tight, except for that. And yeah, Breaking Bad's got a lot of great episodes. Sopranos has great episodes. There's probably,

like, there's a famous episode in season three where Pauly and Christopher lose like a Russian guy in the woods. That's probably, that should be considered one of the best episodes ever. Yeah,

that's really funny. That episode's really good. And they get stuck in a car and they're eating like ketchup packets. Yeah. really funny. Yeah. Simpsons probably got a few.

I don't typically think of shows by episode, I guess. I usually think of them like by season. Even Simpsons or like a comedy show like that, like The Office has really funny episodes. Depends on the kind of show it is. Well, what about Mr. Robot Ralph? Yeah. That's like a drama, though.

Those are so kind of integral. Like, you have to watch every single one. I don't know if I have. I have definitely episodes I like more but I wouldn't just recommend one episode I would recommend the whole thing Yeah but they do have those episodes that almost feel like Like a movie

Like the one with the mosque And yeah in that last season With the multiple acts one That's a great one Yeah yeah That's probably the best episode Yeah Episode seven season four episode seven

The pilot of six feet under is really great Well yeah the last episode of Pilot of lost is iconic. Both of those. Pilot of the Walking Dead. I mean. It's good. Pretty iconic.

Yeah. Got everyone hooked on that show. The rest of the show sucks. Is it finished yet? That show? Walking Dead. No, it's still going. I think.

I think they're ending it soon. How many seasons has it got to? Because I think I gave up around four or five. Season 10, I think. Eleven, maybe. I don't know. Oh, my God. Still around, though.

Tim and Eric Awesome Show. Great job. I do have a favorite episode. from that. It's called Universe, and it's got all the fucking hits. Even though it's like a really like ADHD show where it's just a bunch of random skits, it's like, that particular episode just has like so many of my favorite ones in it that if you've never seen Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job, that would be the episode to start with. In season four, it's called The Universe. And then on top of that, I don't know. What shows do I like? Nothing. I don't like anything. I'm trying to remember the name of the show you recommended for Sodona cast Adam The wacky Xavier Renegate Angel The episode with like

I didn't even know how to describe it Like his clone or whatever is like mirror image That's a great episode You know I'm gonna watch that as soon as we're done recording this Yeah that's a great one I'm in the mood to watch something fucking really stupid And yeah that sounds right That gets me every time yeah

It is really funny The one where they leak the virus in the lake. Like, yeah. You know, I can't, that's one where it's like you out and you remember the seasons. I can't even remember an episode of that show. I just remember like 10 second snippets. Like, there is no story. Like, I can't remember a single, yes, it's just like these vague images come in my head.

And like, no story or anything. It's just like nonsense. It's such a bizarre show. On similar lines, Jake Wyman says, what movie do you think deserves a remake as a show? show or miniseries. As much as I enjoyed the movie and books, I personally would love to see a proper hitchhiker's guide

to the Galaxy series on Netflix Prime or whatever. I feel this way about a fair few Nolan things, actually. Like Tenet being a recent one, I think, could work pretty well as a mini-series type thing. And not the same with the deception even. It might give it more time because the character stuff has always been a weakness, so actually giving some time for characters to be developed while having, kind of like an intricate plot could be really cool. That would be very interesting.

I would actually like a complicated time travel story like that told in a series. That sounds really cool. Yeah, just a bit more time. Yeah. Ironically. Because we talked about like, you know, like stories being told over seasons or like Mr. Robot or Breaking Bad. They tell like kind of, it's basically like a long movie. Yeah.

And it would be really cool like to add an extra layer complexity on that and do like the time travel thing like Tenet. where you have a story that's like it goes all over the place and it folds in on itself. Yeah, that would be really trippy. Yeah, especially if you cared about the characters. I could totally see Nolan doing something like that. Yeah, it's a shame Nolan's so like devoted to this pure cinema thing, which I get, I love it too because I love seeing IMAX movies, but he could make a really good miniseries. Yeah.

He could make like a 10 hour long thing that's really cool and write it. He definitely could. I would like to see something different from him too. because every other director's doing a miniseries or whatever he's just so animate against the HBO Max thing I don't understand you know because it's like those people employ them too Warner Brothers they like funded his movies

I don't know why he's so like defensive against it he could like embrace the art form I think a lot of people have do you see someone on a subreddit because tenant's out on digital now They whipped out on their phone or watching their face. They put it like under their TV. Yeah, that's really funny, yeah. They have like a huge flat screen like right above. Yeah.

I felt like Doctor Sleep would have worked better as a miniseries. Yeah, that's a good big. Yeah. There was just like so much more that they could have explored in that universe. And it's two and a half hours long anyway. And yet there's just so many characters. that didn't get properly explored, you know. Yeah, that was like a soft reboot of The Shining.

Like, those kind of, I feel like that would almost work better as many series or like in a long of film. Because you could tell a story a bit differently. You could tell a similar story, but in a much more elongated form. It would kind of add something to it as opposed to just kind of the same thing again. Like, what are you going to talk? You're going to top Kubrick? Like, he did that already. Like, just fucking do something, make it 10 hours long.

Like, you can develop those characters so much to where a movie can't even really compete. The breaking bad characters are so much more complicated than something you'd see in a movie, just because they have more time. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. The Lion King 2019 is a mini-series. I don't fucking know. I know, you're getting a full sequel for that one. New songs and all.

Yay. Like they're going to be as because you'll... I mean, I'm walking for a little. Yeah, for us. Ferrell's back. He's returned because he's so important. It just makes everything so great. Like a Spider-Man.

Yeah, he's got a really great track record when it comes to working on movies. Minion's song, the happy song? Because I'm happy. He did it. When's Minions 2 coming out? Well, it should be able to. In another timeline, we had that movie already. Yeah, exactly.

It was right in the world. Mm-hmm. Everything went involved. God damn, you, COVID. Yeah. The rise of grew. I was really good forward to that. Yeah, I know you're hyped for that, Ralph, so I'm sorry about that.

All right. I guess that does it for... Yeah, for today. For today and the questions. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for the questions. They were pretty good.

So I guess we got a movie recommendation from Alex. Well, it's me, yeah. So I've been a bit torn up on this one because this is a movie I wanted to talk about for a while. And I saw, only Adam has it rated, so I know he's seen it at least. But I've never seen it. And I'm really curious to jump in on the, and I hope the conversation will be good. And that's for the 2001 movie, Freddy Got Fingered. Nice.

Nice. Have you seen that real? No. Oh, shit. Oh, cool. Awesome. Awesome. So this might be a good conversation then, because I know very little.

I know vaguely what the discussion is like, but I've purposefully avoided it because I always wanted to see it myself. Cool. All right. This sounds fun. Awesome. Comedy. Yes. Yeah. We'll see.

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