Sardonicast - Sardonicast #77: Soul, Wolfwalkers, Freddy Got Fingered

Episode Date: January 11, 2021

Three, two, one. This is Sardana cast. It's not the cast Sardan. This is my favorite podcast because it is my podcast. If this was your podcast, you'd probably like it more than I did. That's just because it was your podcast, but it's not your podcast. It's Sardana cast. Oh, my God.

Holy fuck. Hello, everybody. I'm Adam from your movie sucks. That was the intro from the top. Tom Green show. It was a television show hosted by Tom Green. And this is Sardana Cass,

and I'm Adam from your movie sex. I'm Ralph from YouTube. I'm from Yatchee. I'm Alex from I. Yeah, that was a nice way to start the new year. Thank you for that. So Tom Green's the guy, Tom Green's the person who directed

and is in Freddy got fingered. Yeah, but we'll get into that. Oh, yeah. Not quite yet, though. There's a couple other things we were going to talk about. before the Tom Green discussion. A couple other movies.

But first, I wanted to mention that shortly after recording the last episode of the podcast, Chaos Walking got delayed again to March, apparently, which is kind of funny. Oh, no. One final kick in the nuts for 2020. It might happen again again. It might get delayed again again. Maybe it'll be one of those. It just never comes out.

We just never get it. We're never blessed with it. Yeah, the day the clown cried. They'll just, like, put it on a shelf for, like, 50 years. Yeah. Not much to say about that. But I was having a conversation with some people over my Twitch chat, and there are people that seem to be under the impression

that British people drink warm beer, and I was wondering what that was about, or if you had any input on that. Okay. Like ale. There are people that like room temperature ale. Okay. I personally, not one of those people, because I was raised, my dad's from New Zealand, so, and they love, like, ice cold beer.

So I've always liked that. But my nan loves, like, she hates cold beer. So she likes ale, like, warm. I can sort of understand it with ale. But, like, any other kind of beer would be cold, just ales? I think it's an ale thing, because it's just inherently has a bit more flavor over, like, lager. So like no one would have like a warm stout? I'm sure there are some people that do.

Not for me personally. I think that's kind of gross. Okay. And then one more thing that I got really confused about was apparently people call them hundreds and thousands instead of just sprinkles. Hundreds and thousands? No? Is it just an Australian thing? Because there's an Australian person that's really insistent about that.

Yeah, that sounds more like an Aussie thing. Because I've definitely heard that before, but I don't think, we definitely say just sprinkles here. Okay, good. Yeah, like sprinkles on a cupcake, yeah. Good. I've never heard that. I know. Lots of weird, like, nomaculture comes out of Ozzy, so.

You could say it sounds very foreign to me. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's some movies we watch. Happy New Year, everybody, again. It's crazy to think that 2020 is over, but I knew it would be over quickly. Yeah, I don't know. It felt pretty long for me.

Yeah, I have nothing to say about 2020. Yeah. All right, leave that in the past. We're going to talk about the new Pixar movie, Soul, starring Jamie Fox and... Oh, yeah, Tina Fey. Yep, right? Was it Tina Fey?

Graham Norton. Yeah. I guess it was Tina Fey. Yeah, it was Tina Feyn. Yeah. Like the sidekick or whatever. I think Alex liked it more than I did, but... Yeah, well, so general read, because I enjoyed this one.

Yeah, I liked it a lot. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I give it a reluctant, positive rating. I'm like... Why reluctant? There's things I liked about it. There's things I really, really liked about it, but overall, it was like... It's just a very frustrating watch in many ways.

I'm mostly about the writing. It's just really irritating at points. But anyway, let's talk about what made it good before I piss everybody off. I think Pixar always does a good job with their movies. Always? From the ones I've seen. Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen good dinosaur. Right.

Cars 3. The weakest of the ones I've seen, probably brave Cars 2. I mean, the last one we talked about was that magic one. Yeah. That was weak, onward. Oh yeah It's just so forgettable I was thinking of the The mockbuster of it

There's a mockbuster of it now I'm going to find the name of it for you Okay cool Well yeah continue talking Yeah I thought it was the The ambition I was looking for out of Pixar Whereas like onward it seemed trite And that they were kind of stretching this kind of formula thin

You know the formula is definitely still there in Seoul But I feel like it's backed on the Existential themes you know. It really reminded me of sound of metal weirdly, like an inner peace sort of movie, but for children, because that's largely what it's about.

Yeah, yeah, inner peace. Two people, well, two characters together that are on kind of conflicting sides of a spectrum, one obsessed with their art and one who's like completely nihilistic and doesn't really care about anything. And they both learn to appreciate life in different ways.

And I think it's like a great message, especially for kids. Yeah, I'm not going to, disagree about the underlying themes and the ideas that are presented in the film. My issues are with how those ideas are presented. So yeah,

I completely agree. I love the ideas that it tackled. I really connected with a lot of what the movie was saying. And so that, you know, that keeps the movie from being like bad for me. That, you know... Well, our fear was when the trailers were coming

out our fear was that there weren't because the scenes in New York and this trailers look so stunning and like fresh for Pixar and then going to this like space cutesy world thing the ethereal realm type stuff seemed less interesting but I was I was very relieved the way they balanced that stuff and the way they implemented the different worlds and how it was all like set up for the characters and where they go and you know it gets broad and comes back smaller at the end I yeah I really like that stuff and all the New York jazz scene stuff and

just the texture of everything and the lighting is so impressive. I absolutely love the color choices and lighting and the performance with Dorothea Williams. Spoiler discussion, everybody. Spoiler discussion for soul. Spoiler at this point. Yeah. Wines up performing at the real gig.

There's a lot of cool, really nice going on visually and sound design too. I love the score from Trent Reznor and Eticus Ross. Yes, yes, I love that. So yeah, apparently they had them composing, like, the more electronic sections, and then somebody else who I'm not familiar with doing the jazz parts. So they didn't do the jazz parts, even though they're, like, pretty much the only people

advertised. That was the way to do it. Yeah. The parts and, like, the ethereal realm or, like, a lot of electronic music. And that was good. I like, I like the look of the movie a lot. And I like the look of those, I don't know, what are they? The organizers, Jerry.

Yeah, Jerry. Yeah. Oh, sorry. The jerrys and jerrys. Yeah. The lines. The line guys. Yeah, they look like Picasso drawings or something.

Yeah. I like the design of that. Those characters and those sequences, especially when those are combined with the Trent Reznor, Etychus, Ross score parts that I really, really like. Those are my favorite parts of the movie, absolutely. But yeah, in terms of design, the Jerry's and Terry's I really love, and everything else just feels like really stale kind of Pixar shit to me.

In terms of, like, character design, I mean. So, like, you know, I really loved the lighting and color choices in certain sequences and how things were presented in some ways. But, like, just from a base character design perspective, it's just like, I don't know, it just feels like, it feels like really soulless in a weird way. Did you feel that for the main character? For the main character? Yeah, I mean, like, the Pixar's just been. I love the design of the main character. I don't know.

It just, it feels like more Pixar stuff, you know? It just feels like more of it. Like the, um, exaggerated features. that are like kind of cartoony, but like really highly detailed textures sort of thing. Like it just feels like more of the same that they've been doing. And I'm kind of just like really like bored by it. Doesn't seem like all that inspired, you know? Right.

I don't know. I feel like the take of having a like a middle-aged piano teacher, like African-American guy, is like fresh enough for it to be unique in its own right. without having to do like a wacky art style thing? No, I know exactly what you're saying, and I'll bring it back to be saying that like, you know, like I said, I don't have any issues with the ideas that they wanted in the film. It was just necessarily how they get to those ideas

and how they present those ideas. So yeah, like focusing the story on like a black middle-aged music teacher, that's great. But then getting from the concept to how it's shown in the actual movie, it's just like there's nothing really all that special. special about it and maybe I put a little bit too much weight on on those things but do you not like the contrast though of how the New York scenes are fairly realistic you know and grounded in that way yeah and very busy contrasted with the more metaphorical and they keep saying how it's like a like a dreamlike

realm that is just supposed to represent the hypothetical waystation type thing between life and death and how that is more kind of abstract and yeah I like I like I I like it in concept. I don't feel like the way that they presented it overall was great. I like what they tried to do with the movie. I don't feel like they pulled it off super well. Really? Didn't like the bridge going to the white light?

I mean, the sound design in that part, I kind of liked. Nothing about that escalator is the thing you're talking about, right? Nothing about that seemed like incredibly unique or like, like inventive or special just like the sound like I like the music during that part and then just like little annoyances that you know just constantly remind me like oh this is a kid's movie sort of thing you know like just like jumping off the escalator and it's like oh I guess you can do that that's fine and then Terry is like this is the first this is the first time the count's been off in centuries and it's like oh so literally nobody's wanted to not die for for centuries okay

It's a little bit weird. Yeah, that sort of stuff doesn't bother me as much because they do make such a point of establishing that it is like a hypothetical. It's not really the point. The rules almost aren't that important. I know, I know, and yet they want to have it both ways. They do want to have it both ways

because they very clearly establish rules, right? The entire motivation for 22's character, they have to add in this scene where it's like, oh, you can't taste or smell or touch because those things are in your human body, right? And they needed that scene to justify why 22 isn't able to feel like she enjoys life because as soon as she's in a body, then she can experience these sensory perceptions of the world.

And she's like, oh, I like smelling. I like tasting, blah, blah, blah. So they needed that scene to justify it. And yet these characters, despite that, at the same time, are like talking. And, you know, like they have sight and sound, which are also things that it's like, oh, you need a body to experience those. Like, those don't exist independently of a body in terms of, like, perceiving them censorily.

You know, so it's just like, you want it both ways, and you're not writing it in a way that's, like, clever or restrained. You're just saying, like, I'm going to do both, and I don't care how we get to both. We're just going to do both. And that happened so many times in the movie, and it's very frustrating for me.

I was mostly bothered by the conclusion, actually, in the way, I guess we are on the sport. section how I really I really felt from the beginning of the establishment of the Joe character and he kind of basically dies at the beginning I was like there's no way they have the balls to commit to him actually going into that bridge thing at the end but that's kind of what I wanted deep down in my heart and right at the end that I really thought they're about to do it like the character the way he's animated and everything it looks like he's coming to terms of the fact that like yeah

this is it I'm like trading the they established that weird like earth thing on the 22's chest. But this is exactly what I'm talking about. They want it both ways. They want to do the noble sacrifice ending without actually sacrificing anything. And they do this so often in the fucking movie and it's so frustrating. Like that's the one that most people are going to notice is the very end. And it's just like, yeah, because it's the biggest bullshit.

It's just I am legend again if he didn't die, you know. Yeah, especially because I felt even if they did want to keep the character alive because that would be a pretty dark ending for a kid's movie. for him to like embrace death at the end like that would be pretty heavy that would have been pretty dark I I there was also the option of having him because he's he's a piano teacher he could have stayed on as like one of the sole teachers or whatever they are you know that that that would be yeah that's that's more what I was thinking they would go with like he would sustain as a teacher so he's so he's still basically dead but yeah I think that would have been preferable but yeah it's just like a door

opens on that gateway and then they're like yeah just come back to earth it's fine it's forced but I feel like if he had just died that would have been a little too dark yeah that's that's what I mean like it would be a bit much I think yeah that would have been a little much it also just like doesn't make a lot of sense in the way that they set up those stakes because like he's not like on life support during this moment he just went into the zone by playing piano so he's just like really concentrated on piano right now right and instead instead of like how they set up the zone, which was like, oh, you know how you're like really concentrated on something? And it's like showing all these characters basically in this kind of like meditative state where they don't realize what's going around on them.

Suddenly our main character is able to just be like, oh, hey, fucking pirate hippie over there. Hey, I'm going to continue this storyline up there without actually dying or going into a, you know, any kind of like medical emergency to get there. You know, he's not comatose. He's literally just in the zone. And now he's able to like go across and like talk to all these other characters. is he retains all of the memories going back and forth. And it's like, okay, they set it up so that that doesn't happen, but maybe that's just, you know, from characters going into just birth alone.

But still, it's super weird that they even tease the idea of like, oh, yeah, you just go into the zone and then you give up your Earth pass and then you die. Just imagining like the fucking Piano teacher, like, like a heart attack or whatever. Like, is it just death note logic? I think you would have a heart attack or something. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what happens. It is really, really weird and bullshit.

just like how much they want to have everything in the movie without having any sort of writing restraints. There's some inconsistencies in the writing, yeah, and it kind of takes away. But I thought, like, the world was pretty fun, considering, and especially kind of how morbid it could have been portrayed. I like the soul world, how kind of friendly it was. And, again, the busy New York stuff and the colors and the way,

it kind of looked like Whiplash or La La Land. I think it was kind of pangobosh to that, too. I remember like this blue lighting. It reminded me of La La Land, like the ending in Nightclub. Yeah, the nightclub scene was great. I like that a lot. Yeah, all of it was great. I thought, you know, where the movie needed to deliver, I thought it was good.

It just felt like more of a, it's definitely like an upper end Pixar movie, but it's one of the more like just ones in the middle. I don't think it's one of the best ones. It's not one of the worst for me. It's one of their better recent ones. Yeah, especially for the recent. I don't think I like it as much as Coco. I like Coco a lot. Yeah, I really like Cocoa.

I think I would watch that again all over. And I think that's better for kids, too, given how, like, this is a little more mature. The existential dread stuff, yeah. Yeah, the existential dread stuff is a little mature. It's the best one since Coco. I guess Coco has that, too, because it's about that holiday, the, you know. Yeah, except that feels so much more inspired and less bullshit.

Yeah, that was a little more fun. And that's, like, based off of a real thing and they're trying to, like, explore this sort of cultural angle. I think so is more inspired. Right. It was inspired on that holiday. Yeah, the culture. Yeah, there was more of an angle there that I enjoyed.

And there's definitely like, the culture in New York City is celebrated in this movie, too. There's like the barbershop and like all that stuff. It's definitely. And the jazz coach. Yeah, it's great. It just felt more integrated and it was better in Coco. I'm, I'm, yeah. Much more fun film.

With Coco, it doesn't feel like they're just pulling shit out of their ass at every single moment in the film whenever they have like a plot device, right? Like, it feels so much more like they had a. story that was just based off of this sort of, I don't know what that holiday is called, the, like, Day of the Dead sort of thing. Like, I don't know what that is. I forget it already, but, like,

it seems like they used that as a framework and then built their story around it. Whereas, like, with Soul, it was just, like, let's just make shit up, like, Harry Potter style, like, magic saves the day at any sort of moment, you know, like conflict here, conflict there. Like, oh, no, I got to fix my hair, you know? Just, like, immediately, like, that's the conflict. It's like, you don't even remember that you have a hat.

Like, dude, you've worn your hat so often that it's literally a part of your character designed for your soul. You don't remember that you have a hat right now and then it's like, oh, I got to go to the barbershop. And it's like very clearly an excuse to get to the barbershop and have that great scene where there's then a reflection on like how he's been interacting with people and like that sort of introspection and the conversation with the guy that's like, you know, only insulting him because of his own insecurity is like that I love. but it's the idea of just like how lazy the script is in terms of getting there that I take issue with, right? So like all of these different actions in the script are there to justify why and how they get to the scenes that I like. But the way that they do that is just bullshit every time and it's really frustrating. It's like they put no effort into thinking how to get somewhere. I just think that the priorities were in like in a different order.

I'm not saying it's not like a legit problem because I did notice these same things but I just found those two main characters and their like journey, their arcs to be like really emotionally satisfying and quite unique for one of these Pixar movies like the way they've, it's all about like learning

to appreciate their little things in life. I love that too. I don't know. It's so, yeah, because I really thought it was going to be more about the music side and the like you know just him getting to that gig and that's what the whole kind of point of the movie is but it's much more than that it's about the obsession of and then and like the your worth your self-worth and you know the the whole the zone place and how it kind of had everyone who was got obsessed

by their you know their weaknesses and became these like like zombies and all this yeah I I love I love what it's going for thematically. Mm-hmm. Like, that's... No, yeah, I do agree. I really connect with it. It is clunky and that the ambition does, especially at the end, kind of make it falter a little bit. Because I just don't find the ending that satisfying.

It's bullshit. I do like the journey. I was even surprised by how much the body swap aspect of the movie didn't really bugging. Yeah, we didn't get into that. Yeah, the body's... Yeah, because they didn't advertise. it. If they had a trailer that was like nine lives or some shit, it would have been like, oh, come on, we see this in the 90s. But the fact that they were restrained enough with their marketing and didn't spoil that that would happen was actually awesome. Like, I love that they didn't. A lot of movies recently have that kind of plot element. Body swiping. Well, it's, yeah. It's a long-running. Oh, yeah, there's freaky. Yeah, there's another one coming up, too, you'll see. I don't want to spoil it for you. Yeah. But it's just, I don't know why it's such a popular, like, thing to write into movies.

movies. I mean, yeah, it's like time travel, you know, like all those movies had time travel. Avengers and, yeah, I don't know. It's weird. It's key to the main character's arc, though, because he needs to be kind of removed from his body and able to give an objective look at himself. At himself. She's quite a clever way of doing it. He's at his mom's, like, shop getting fitted for the suit. Yeah. And he's, like, watching himself do it. It was almost more satisfying for the watch himself get the, get the suit done. Yeah. Well, yeah, he needed to be outside of his own body to see what his life was sort of thing.

Right. And then, like, for him not to be the one directly talking to his mom, perhaps that gave him the courage to be able to say what he really wanted to, is that he was using somebody else to, you know, say that sort of like vicariously through, if I'm using that word properly. Although that scene was really weirdly edited because it would, it would, like, pretend that it was like, like they wanted the emotional impact of. having that sort of like if I if I die today I would think that my life is a waste and you know back and forth with his mom but like every single time one of his sentences is spoken logistically in the way that they've said that it works is like the cat is telling it to his body sort of thing and then he's saying it every single time but they edited it so that like they they literally cut out like half of the scene of the cat going like yeah like so that's you have to imagine that that's happen but they wanted the emotional beats of having the scene without the comedy so they just cut those parts out

and then added the music and it's like you wanted it both ways so you just did it both ways. The camera literally pans around the mom's head and then it switches to that perspective where the cat doesn't say anything and there's another movie coming up where they're going to do something. It's literally the exact

same camera move. It's very similar and it's just as confusing I don't know what these movies I don't know if they like talk to each other playing this stuff out but yeah it was very similar plot elements yeah there's some weird things that happen you know

yeah that was very weird and the whole thing like okay so his soul's and the cat what happened to the cat's soul does the cat have a soul oh yeah that was so weird there's logical inconsistencies like that there's the cutaway gag yeah you don't even think about it just don't even think about it

because you know it doesn't make sense they want to have it both ways yeah yeah it is a high concept idea. Right. And it's just stumble because of that. But yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. It just things like that didn't bother me as much because of all the other stuff we already mentioned. Well, I just. It's like we're not supposed to care about these rules. And yet these rules are so entirely dependent on the motivations of certain characters. Like legitimately, 22's character, there would be no arc if these rules didn't exist

because it's like, okay. So I need to find the last thing, which is the spark. so that I can go do the thing. I've been around for like billions and billions of years and like nobody's ever convinced me to, uh, I've talked to like Sigmund Freud, blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah. And she can't give away her regular non-Earth pass. It's stuck to her body until it becomes an earth pass and you need a spark to do that. She has never experienced any sort of like sensory perception. And then when she does, she realizes she likes it. She has an earth pass,

blah, blah, blah. Like all of those things are based on the rule. that the film is clearly setting up, right? And so that informs what the character parts of the film are. So I don't think that you can just like take one of them and then ignore the other because they're literally dependent on each other. And so if we're going to even think about like something as simple as like the 22 conflict, all I'm thinking in my head is just like, okay, like you don't even fucking need an earth pass

because you went down. You got into a body in the fucking movie already. just get the fucking pirate hippie to open a portal again. Like he's clearly done that hundreds, like billions of times. He knows how to do it. You literally just fell through the portal. You didn't need an earth pass to get into a body. And then that completely ruins the whole conflict with like, you know, they meet the pirate hippie who just happens to live in New York on the same block.

And so that he's about to do a seance so that they can get their, he can get his, the main character can get his body back. And then 22 is like, no, I don't want to go back because I need to have a body so I can experience all this stuff. I'm never going to find my spark. if I'm back in a soul and I don't have a body and then she runs away but it's like just good you you don't have to run away with his body go back and like just go into the cat body or some shit like you can do you don't need an earth pass

that's been established because you're in a body right now you don't need an earth pass and then that completely ruins the ending where he sacrifices himself and he's like oh here's my earth pass I don't need anymore she doesn't need an earth pass the fucking pirate hippie can open a portal that's happened already in the film and so like all of these all of these things that are going on in the movie where it's like, I'm supposed to get an emotional experience

be like, oh, this sacrifice is so real or, ah, her conflict, like, I know she wants this. It's ruined by the fact the movie isn't consistent about its own fucking rules, and it's very frustrating. Sorry. It's just like this, this again and again with Pixar, it's like, I would just wish it cared more about how it delivered certain aspects of the film. I really wish it did because there are parts that I really like as a, I've expressed.

Like, I really connect with the themes and what it's going for, but it's just like, there are lazy, lazy fucking aspects to the script that just, like, completely take me out of it and make it a very frustrating experience. I think it's a tough thing to balance ideas like this as well as making it, like, a kid's movie without it being, like, you know, so bogged down in, like, exposition and losing that original theme they're going for. It's definitely a difficult thing. and I can see how it does fail under certain ambitions.

But I do value the emotional resonance, and I don't know if I'm just easily manipulated. I'm sure I am. But it does. By the end, I do feel quite satisfied through the messages I get through it. My favorite Pixar movie is Ratatouille, and there's a scene in Ratatouille where the Remy starts learning how to control Linguini

by pulling on his hair. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Do you know how they addressed that? He stared at a mirror. He's like, how did you do that? And Remy shrugs his shoulders and goes, oh, and that's that. And that's all they needed. I don't give a shit.

It doesn't need to be exposition heavy. It just needs to be self-aware. This is a movie that wants to have it both ways, and it's simultaneously creating all of these complicated rules where in the emotions of the characters and their entire motivations are dependent on these rules that it's set up. And yet, it also doesn't give a shit about the. rules and it doesn't like you know it's just like oh fuck you don't think about it but it's like how can i not think about it when you've welded them to the motivations of the characters right

like this is how the entire movie is justified so you're telling me i'm supposed to think about it and then you're telling me i'm not supposed to think about it and at the same time it's like fucking every single Pixar movie that everybody likes turns into this like schrodinger's kids movie sort of thing where on one hand you've got people like josh gad tweeting out like i think it's time for the academy to acknowledge that Pixar films aren't really for kids and they should win best picture because they're just so great. And then if you have any kind of criticism with it, it's like, oh, it's a kids movie. You're not supposed to think about it.

It's too complicated for kids. It's just like, okay, everybody's just trying to have it fucking both ways. It's like, I don't know, it's very frustrating for me. No, yeah, that is the caveat. It is a kid's movie at the end of the day. I think it's a really well done one. It's valuable for kids, but you are, yeah, you are right in what you're saying, whereas I would recommend something like sound of metal or in Silo and Davies or something

like that if you want, or even whiplash, if you, if you want this kind of story told in a more adult kind of way. Yeah. Yeah. That's my response to whenever someone's like, Adam, it's a kids movie. I'm like, exactly. It's a kids movie. That's why I don't think it's amazing.

It's very clearly like suffering from kids movieisms. It's primary demographic, I think, is children, but adults are clearly supposed to enjoy it, get something out of it because families watch it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. There's enough in there that adults. can connect with it too. It's good for everyone.

It's straightforward. Yeah. It's very straightforward. If you're a normal adult, you won't get bothered by the things that I am. So it'll be fine. Like, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't let me prevent you from watching it because chances are you'll just, you'll just fine experience. Yeah, I was, uh, I had a couple of, uh, kind of nitpicks outside of that stuff.

Um, yeah, just the odd joke didn't really, didn't really, didn't really work. Because some of the older Pixar movies are like so funny, like consistently all the ways around the toy story movies. They just have better right. The jokes are better. Whereas like they literally like reference a meme with the like mouse pizza thing that when they're establishing the zone and not James Corden what the fuck's his name. Graham Norton comes in and he's like, oh yeah, I've been here once. I was addicted to Tetris. Yeah.

That was a good miss for me. one for me where I was just like, holy shit, that was a... I had to rewind and be like, was that a joke? And then, like, the hard cut right after the line made it really obvious that that was supposed to be a joke. I was like, oh, God. Yeah. Because it's quite an intense, like, setting.

They're establishing there. And it's like, really? You come here, feel like addicted to Tetris? I get what you're doing. You're trying to, like, alleviate the darkness a little bit, but that ain't the joke to do it. It would have been fine if you just said Bazinga after. That was a really big Big Bang theory quality joke It was literally just like oh I referenced a nerd thing

That's a joke in of itself Tetris Yeah I didn't enjoy that I liked the basketball joke though Even as somebody who doesn't pay a lot of attention to basketball I know that a lot of people are frustrated with the Knicks And so that was a funny reveal Oh right yeah yeah

And that makes sense for New York yeah There's still some like witty funny stuff in there But it's just the old one where it's like I shouldn't be being pulled out of this movie because of jokes like that, especially when these movies are developed for like three, four years, you know? Like, it just seems silly to put in like a mouse pizza joke because it's like, that's going to be aged.

You've got to know that that stuff's going to age your movie. Yeah, I don't even know what you're talking about with mouse pizza. Is this a meme that I didn't? Do you remember in the scene where he first becomes a cat and 22's in his body and she's hungry? And the cat goes to get a pizza, a slice of pizza. He, like, steals a slice of pizza and drags it along. there's a shot way drags it past a mouse

who's pulling a slice of pizza which is like a reference to that video of the mouse in New York yeah there's like a famous video of a mouse pulling along a slice of pizza so it was like a reference to that video okay I had no idea that that was a direct reference that's interesting

are you sure because like they could easily have written that without it being a reference to that but I guess yeah maybe that's just me reading into it too much I think that makes sense Yeah. He said it was New York. I'm sure, yeah, I don't know. I feel like that easily could have been written without that being like, ha ha, that's a reference to a specific meme sort of thing.

Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, right, it could go either way, but that's, that was my initial thing. It's like, oh, it's that meme video. Because, like, Disney's been doing that a lot in their animated movies. So, I don't know, I just assume the worst. It's just references to things people like. Yeah, it's very brief, and it is like a nitpick. Even Rocket Ralph, yeah.

It's a bunch of. references to video games or whatever. How do you feel about the overall pacing and structure of the movie? Because at about like I don't know, I feel like when they got to the soul part, like when he falls down the fucking manhole

or whatever, I felt like so early in the movie I was like desperate for a bit more like establishing his character especially if they're going to jump straight into my life was so fucking lame and like doing this whole like flashback sequence of his life but it's like I wish that I had a bit of that before so it was

like more justified feeling this way and I get that like they do emphasize it a bit more after but it's it was just weird jumping right into that you know I don't know because I prefer to the New York environment too I wish we got like 20 minutes like 15 minutes maybe of like you know lead up to this whole thing instead of like eight minutes or however long it was I don't know yeah I I thought the pace the first time, yeah, the first act I was a little bit. I was concerned that they were going to spend most of the movie in that kind of sole realm place. So it did feel a bit longer, but I did skip through the movie again today. And it does have a pretty quick pace to it.

It doesn't feel like it really drags upon rewatch. So I don't really think that's much of a problem. I think structurally they have, they do have their formula. And it has worked for such a long time. And then the unlikely friends or whatever that learn to, you know, appreciate each other and all this kind of stuff. There's nothing inherently wrong with the formula. You can still have the formula and make a really well-written movie. It's just like they don't care how.

They don't care how the boxes are checked off just that they're checked off at all. And that's what pisses me out. Yeah, another thing that kind of bugged me, and I'll admit this is a very me thing to be annoyed by, but I kind of wish it wasn't Tina Faye who was cast as 22. Yeah, I'm just so sick of the... I'm so sick of the animation trope where they're kind of designed to be annoying, you know? Where it's like, yeah, I do this voice because I'm annoying. Yeah, she even says that.

They've been doing that for... That's the sidekick character. Yeah, I just... Shrek and donkey. It's like everywhere. Yeah, yeah. I remember noticing it with donkey the first time. It's like, God damn it, can we just get an animated movie where it doesn't rely on that kind of stuff? Just please.

But you need one person to be like... slightly annoyed by the other because otherwise you can't write comedy yeah well it's like the only way like they always do Pixar it's two friends go on like a road trip or an adventure this is a little more ethereal but it's the same thing like they go all over they go to new york and they go back and yeah you need like an ellen degenerous fish to be really annoying or else yeah inside out was the happy one and the sad one and they were going around yeah it's really the different lands same shit over and over and over and over. But I still like it.

I like parts to do. I'm like that. Yeah, there's a lot of good elements. Maybe they don't gel the best, but it's a lot of good stuff in there. I wouldn't be frustrated if there was nothing I liked about it. It wouldn't be a frustrating watch. I'd be like, I just whatever, this is bullshit. Right, yeah.

But it's like I want to, I want to be able to experience those same emotions and connections with the themes and ideas and parts of the things. soundtrack I really loved, parts of, you know, the way it was shot I really loved. I want to be able to experience that again and watch the movie again, but I don't want to suffer through all the parts that I think are bullshit and are really annoying to me, right? And so it's like, you have all of these items on the checklist that you want to communicate in your film. That much is clear. A lot of the items on the checklist are things that I really love. But getting from point A to point B is just bullshit in a way where it's like, okay, if you don't care about how you're doing that,

then just like, don't pretend like it's a single narrative. Just make a a bunch of fucking short films or something, right? If all you care about is like these tiny individual moments where it's like, this is the point where we sell it here, and this is the point where we sell it here. It's like, great, just fucking do that. Get rid of all the bullshit in between, like this whole

stupid like, oh, fucking... People like the formula. Broke my hair. I get it. I know. They don't want to watch a bunch of short films. I know. I'm the outlier. Wait, this one didn't start with a short film. This one didn't start. Well, I just watched it on

Disney Plus or whatever. Yeah, it was on Disney Plus, of course. Did I have a short film at the beginning? I think one was made, but it's probably just buried in Disney Plus menus somewhere. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah, probably. There's all these brief, like, when he's playing piano, there's these flashbacks to his life, like, good moments, right? And there's like, he's teaching, like, in the classroom or whatever, all the kids. And then he's teaching, like, one boy, like, drums, I think. I'm like, is that his son? That's what I was saying. No, that was the character who calls him up and gives him the job offer, isn't it?

Oh, yeah? Okay. Because it was so brief. Yeah, yeah, I only picked that up the second. Because then there was like this other brief flasher like a woman. I'm like, is that his mom or is that his like wife? Maybe he had like a wife and a kid that is like, you know, yeah, because it has like the upscene

like backstory for him. Yeah. He's like a single dad or something. I don't know. No, he's like such a loser that he's like an insult. Yeah, I was just trying to figure out Right? Yeah I've done nothing with my life

Why does he go into the zone When he's like Rehearsing for the show And then practicing by himself After the show but not at the show itself That was weird It's like the script didn't want him to be I know but

Yeah I thought the idea was that He doesn't get what he truly wanted By getting what he thought he wanted But you know That's a confusing way of saying Yeah. What?

You know? No, I was talking about the zone. Well, he wanted to go into the zone at the show, but he didn't. It was disappointing for him. Like, that's what the scene after was. What? That's not, no, no, no, that's not what I interpreted at all. Okay. It was like he comes out after the show expecting his life to be changed from having done it.

And the entire, you know, life lesson there is like, oh man, that was great, but, like, you know, that's just like one part of your life. It doesn't, like, change everything. You're still the same person you were before. Sure. But like him playing the show, it's not like, it never once implied that him playing the show he wasn't into it in the same way that he was like rehearsing or anything before. It's literally as simple as like the script was just like, nah, it would be weird to cut to the soul world right now, which is true. Playing down his advocate, yeah. But yeah, it just wouldn't work in the same, would it?

No, it just doesn't make sense. It doesn't. It doesn't make sense how he's just able to go back by doing that. None of it makes any fucking sense. No. Hey, it doesn't. Yeah. Tetris.

Still kind of sick, though. I liked it a lot. Yeah, I really liked it. It's a movie of great scenes. I think you both make good points. Yeah, I think I love that barbershop scene. I thought that was awesome. Me too.

I love the villain of the movie. I love how it's not like a mustache twirling, like, evil guy. It's just like this random, like, tiny kiwi, 2D drawing that's like chasing them. And when it jumps into the 3D world and the way, like... It was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. love all that kind of stuff and I do like the thematic side of it and I know it is incredibly clunky

the way it's designed but I think for kids it's like really good and I do I do factor that in with the kind of intent but yeah I really enjoy the animations just you know you bring up every Pixar movie basically but it is stunning and yeah the soundtrack and everything I really enjoyed it It does fly by for me. The visual design of everything, it's so varied. And even including the formula and the body changing elements and stuff, I still like it all the same. I give it a four star.

I'm giving this one a six out of ten. It's, you know, positive rating, despite me spending 99% of this discussion complaining about it. Like I said, I wouldn't be frustrated with it if there wasn't anything that I liked. And I think I did a good job. explaining the parts that I did like, even if the parts that I didn't like outweighed that in the discussion. Yeah, I'm right in the middle of you guys. So, seven out of ten. Cool. I have my issues with it. There's a lot of good ideas. They're just jumbled in.

So the film is all over the place, which does keep it interesting. I had no issue with the pacing, because I think it changes it up so much to where I was always interested by it. I thought it was very bizarre, like especially halfway through him. Like, this is weird. This is very weird. I like that. Yeah, that is a good thing. And then it becomes a body switching movie. And then it goes all these directions that I like. So it's definitely entertaining and good for kids. It just has a lot of, I have some criticisms with it definitely.

We got into a bit with the plot specifically. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So here's my prediction is that it will get more than one Oscar nomination. is that it will get... What do you think it will get score? It will get either score or even best picture or both.

It might get three. And I'm thinking it might get best picture because it's 2020 and the Oscars doesn't know about other movies. So... Yeah. Yeah, I could definitely see that. Yeah. And, you know, obviously the Academy, you know,

follows Josh Gad's Twitter account, so they might be inspired. Anyway, there's a... Another movie that we saw that will most certainly lose to Seoul as the animated feature. Ralph didn't see it. Alex and I did, but we can talk about it without spoiling it. It's pretty easy to do so. Called Wolf Walkers.

It's Oirish. Lerish. It's Tudy animated. Very nice looking, very inspired, very purposeful, very character-driven, great. voice acting? I could just go on. What did you think, Alex? Yeah, I loved it. I guess it's the third in this Irish fantasy kind of trilogy that this studio has been releasing. Yeah, the first one being the Kells and then the middle one being a Song of the Sea and this kind of capping, you know, not like a connected trilogy. They made breadwinner also. Yeah, but that's not like a like a kind

of fantasy Irish, you know, myth sort of. Are they considering it like a trilogy? Like even I did read that, yeah, I don't know, maybe it's not, but I think there is like a, you know, even if it's not official, there is a kind of a nice three story thing going on there where there's all the Irish based Irish characters, Irish myth type stuff going. I mean, yeah, they're like an Irish animation. So that didn't strike me as weird for like what they're doing. Oh, right, yeah, but no, you're right. It's really unique, especially with the visual side of it, the line work and the way the colors bleed out and the, Yeah. The stylistic choices of like,

there's quite a lot of like fighting and injury in the movie and the way they get around not showing like the exact violence I thought was creative with like flashes of, you know, like colors and images that get around it. Some parts are like pretty explicit in terms of like showing the violence. Like pretty early on too. Like there's like blood and like arrows like getting people like characters getting like impaled and stuff. Right. Like it's like they do show it.

it. Actually, yeah, and the way, actually, I can't spoil it, but at the end, there's actually pretty violent scene, but, yeah, the whole, like, fable aspect to it is really fun and and inventive, and they do stick to their rules in this one. Yeah, and I think it's really important that they, you know, when I saw the movie the first time and I saw this level of violence early on, I was kind of taken aback by it, like, oh, like, do you want to make this, like, completely unmarketable for children sort of thing? Like it's just sort of getting there where it would be like, okay, maybe like 10, ages 10 up. Like this is probably not for anyone under 10 sort of thing.

Just because it is a little like intense and like a bit violent and a bit emotional. But, you know, as the film goes on, it's like, I'm so glad that they had those moments early on because that enforces that there are stakes and consequences in this universe. It's not a movie that's like giving us fake sort of consequences or fake stakes where it's like. Like, you know, so many kids movies I could watch, I would just be like, I know, nothing's going to happen here. But this is a movie where it's like, oh, maybe things actually can happen because we saw that there are some things that can happen already in the movie, right? So it's like maybe a character can die.

I don't know, right? So it really helps with the emotional goals of the narrative. Yeah, there is like a magic thing in the movie, which did take some of that away from it for me. but it didn't bother me too much with the way it was implemented in this story yeah it just made in the conclusive kind of final battle thing like that

when certain things happen I don't I don't have any mystery as to how it's going to resolve you know I'm like dancing around what I can say because I don't want to spoil anything because you should watch this but yeah for it yeah I think what I was getting confused with the violence thing is that they do a bunch of it's obviously incredibly stylish

and they do things like they play around with the aspect ratio based on... Love it. Yeah, yeah. Was it when they're like jumping from wolf form to human form and in certain like more intense scenes? There's a bunch that they did. Like just for like little crucial moments in a scene.

Yeah, it really enhances it. Yeah, and they do like some really creative like framing and storyboarding. Then in a later scene in the movie with their main characters like in a castle and it's all presented in this like 2D star with the spiral staircase and everything. It's so creative. I think the visual side of it, like, cannot be understated. Like, just how beautiful the frame animation is. It's gorgeous. What really wins me over in this type of movie is, it's like, I feel like when watching it,

I'm seeing the results of a group of people that all have the same goals and ideas working on a film, you know, versus a Pixar movie. where I feel like, you know, it's not necessarily a group of people who are passionate and have the same goals and ideas, but it's like a movie that was like created by committee, like through a fucking questionnaire sort of thing. You know, like that's what I get from a Pixar movie, but like this, it feels like something more personal. Despite it obviously being made by a team of people, it feels like, oh, like you care about these characters. Like you, you know, you wanted to express this story and you wanted to tell it in this way and you all were on the same. page about it. It also feels kind of ancient and timeless though as like one of these kind of myth

legend stories should. I think it's set in 1600s or something like that in Ireland, but it has the magical aspects as well and the kind of, you know, pagan sort of thing going on. And it's, yeah, it has really good characters too. I really enjoyed Sean Bean as well as the dad, like a soft-spoken father who I really enjoyed his motivations of being like trapped into, you know, what he has to do in the movie. Yeah, it's fairly simple. Exactly. It's simple but effective.

It doesn't need to be anything more. This sounds awesome. Oh, it's great, yeah. Yeah, please do. It's from my... Yeah, so shame, I wish Netflix pick this up instead of Apple. I know.

People would have seen it because, like, it's only got like 7,000 ratings on IMDB. Yeah. No one's really seen it. Yeah, somebody said in my Twitch chat, I didn't look this up, but somebody said they have an actual deal with the studio

so who knows we might just be seeing all of their movies on Apple TV Plus now I don't know how many people even have Apple TV Plus but I guess Apple's such a gigantic company that they could afford to earn all that money for like years anyway That's good for them At least they have consistent work right

And people will watch this over time If it has good word or mouth Hopefully and like the ratings are super high for it So Oh yeah Yeah Yeah It's just not a lot of people are going to get Apple TV Plus

especially considering they don't have like a lot of they don't really have anything on it except wolf walkers and like a verner herdsdog documentary that was good but it's like that's not enough to make people sign up for your platform like you need like yeah it's getting ridiculous now like so many great projects are going to be buried because of this you know it's just the yeah ridiculous choice you know yeah exactly it's a little sad but hopefully they have some sort of deal where they're still able to to release their movies and theaters. They did for this movie despite COVID. It was like a limited release. That's cool. I also saw it at TIF. Like it was still at Toronto Film Festival. But yeah, we'll see, I guess,

where things go for them as a company. But yeah, I connected with this one much more than any of their other previous films. Yeah, I did too, actually. Not that I think the previous films are bad or anything, but I think that this was like the most polished in terms of like the overall narrative and how it was presented.

I thought the music was awesome, all of the music throughout the entire movie, especially the original song that was created for that. I really hope that gets an Oscar-on, but I think the Academy is stupid, so it's probably not going to happen. Yeah, you probably won't even watch it. Yeah, that's a really great song.

It's in the trailer if anybody wants to listen to it. It works really well in the context of the movie. Love the character design. It reminded me if, you know, that Pixar movie, Brave, right? Where it did have the Redheads, like, main character. this is kind of like what I wanted from the idea of a story like that because that had the fancy elements as well

but it didn't come together whereas in this one it really does yeah I would say the weakest parts of the movie for me were within like the first 20 minutes it didn't really wow me at that point and there were like some conveniences here and there and I was like you know kind of just like

yeah this is fine but then when it actually like gets yeah once it actually gets going then it's like man it like doesn't see it like doesn't stop either. It's like really, really consistently flowing from like initial incident all the way to the end of the movie and just one like really digestible super well-paced, super well-structured. You know, like you barely feel like any time has passed. Keeps raising the stakes. Yeah. Yeah. Just keep, there's like no downtime in it. And it's like very, very effective at communicating the emotions that it wants to. Yeah. I really enjoyed it.

What'd you get it? Don't have to spend as long on this one. I'm not going to fucking yell at it for 20 minutes. Yeah, it's just simple and clean and, yeah, definitely worth the watch. I give it full stuff. Yeah, everybody please watch it. Same here. Eight out of ten.

I would give a ten out of ten. Instead of watching that crap, I watched a piece of garbage. I watched the next ton of garbage we're going to talk about. Oh. Oh, I thought they were going to talk about something. No, no. Oh, what did you watch? Are we ready for this?

Yeah, we are. I guess we're as ready as we're ever going to be taken away. Are you ready, Freddie? Yeah. So my choice. Yeah, spoilers for Freddy Got Fingered, 2001. Tom Green directed and written with Derek Harvey about an unemployed cartoonist who, how the fuck do you explain the story of this movie?

Um, it's basically a, a joke movie. It's like an anti-movie, um, anti-comedy. And it's, it's kind of, it has an infamous reputation that has people very torn. If you look at the, the ratings on IMDB, that's a boxed. It's one of those kind of movies where it's like completely split down the middle, like almost evenly, where people, some people absolutely cannot stand it. And the other side will claim that it's absolutely, masterful and personally I fall somewhere in the middle I did laugh a fair few times and passed the seven laugh challenge or whatever it is a critic says is that a thing or did you just make that up yourself? A seven laugh challenge?

No no Mark Commode has his like comedy yeah like his comedy checklist or something because that is what is fascinating about this movie and the fact it is a comedy and just talking about comedies and how like abstract it can get and how bizarre it can get and how meta it can get

because this movie, you know, a lot of people claim is like a, basically a prank on the studio, almost, that Tom Green using his rep at the time. Before seeing this, I really wasn't too familiar with Tom Green. I think I was just too young to miss, sorry, just too young and missed his show, his MTV show, right? That's where he kind of got mega famous, and he was like the pioneer of the,

honestly, the type of internet humor that is incredibly prevalent now that everyone knows and the jackass stuff he's in the pranks and everything he was like the way ahead of his time on that and he even had a big part to play on i think like early podcast stuff too like he's he's embedded into comedy and all of this stuff which is awesome but it all came to head with this movie freddie got fingered and yeah there's so much kind of shock value and it's about just relentless gags with you know babies being flung around by the extension, by the chords and horse cock and all sorts.

Each scene, each set piece is literally just there so that Tom Green can scream and do stupid things and be silly and do something perhaps shocking. And much like Pixar's soul, the movie doesn't really care about how it gets to each of these scenes, you know?

But this movie's more self-aware, I guess. in a weird way where it's like oh yeah it knows it's fucking dumb it doesn't give a shit it doesn't try right the point is that it isn't trying yeah so exactly yeah it's a bit different I guess this was my introduction the whole point of the movie yeah I guess that's

the style of comedy yeah so you've never seen him in any other movie or no I didn't know anything about him I didn't know anything about him before this yeah me neither but I looked at no it and yeah I guess I see what the point of this was the funniest part of the movie was like seeing the

20th century Fox logo and then the Regency logo like these really nice logos following like this disgusting get horse cock and like swinging a baby around a hospital room just like this disgusting stuff that's I guess the funny part but it's the whole movie you know

and it gets a little old it's like a it's one joke I say it's garbage I definitely I lean more toward liking it than like despising it because I I understand that subtext to it, but, you know, it's actually horrible to watch because the movie's basically like a fuck you to the audience.

Yeah. Basically. And that is hilarious to me. It's like the funniest prank because he fucking hates Hollywood, doesn't he? So it's like the ultimate prank. Yeah. How can you not? Right.

Yeah. I'm going to try and... It's a prank on Hollywood. Yeah. Y'all some context to you. So the Tom Green Show, which I don't know if I've probably seen it all the way through. I have the DVDs. It's not amazing.

What I would say is if you want to watch it, put it on while you're doing something else. I built a shelf that I got for Christmas for media storage. I was building, assembling that while I was watching this earlier in the last week. And basically the way that Tom Green's show functions is there's a surprising amount of similarities between his show and the Eric Andre show. If Tom Green Show didn't exist, Eric Andre Show wouldn't exist.

And probably Jackass also. Like so many of these things, but like Eric Andre's show much better pace. Also, it's only like 11 minutes long. Yeah, really short. Yeah, much shorter. But it's like much more, yeah, it's like for this generation of audience and pacing.

Tom Green Show, you know, it's a bit slower, a bit more awkward. But the same basic concepts are there. He has a crappy talk show that knows it's crappy. In his show, he actually has an audience, and sometimes the audience is subjected to the gags or the embarrassment or whatever. He trolls his guests. He does the cutaway segments in between where he's pranking people on the street. You know, it's a lot of the same shit, although I would say Eric Andre does it better.

It's like a better, more entertaining show that I could watch more times. But I'm trying to give the context in preparation for what I think about, like, this conspiratorial. theory of like him just trolling the audience. And in a way he is, but I do not think that he set out to make a critically and commercially unsuccessful movie. I don't think he'd set out to do that. I don't think he was conscious in terms of being like,

I'm going to get Fox to give me money and it's going to be bad and I'm going to go, ha ha, it was bad. Like, I don't think that happened. And what really solidified. that watching it this time, and I'm glad I rewatched through Tom Green Show shit, is basically like, there's one core issue with the movie,

and it's pretty much the same issue in every single scene, and I think I figured out what is just so wrong with this movie, is that he structured it and wrote it, all of the gags, all of the setups, in the same way that he would for his show, but since it was a movie and he had the budget, instead of real people being the victims of his pranks in the context of the film or or any of that, they were actors.

And that's what really harms the film. So I looked at every single one of these scenes and I thought, damn, if he was so ahead of the curve that he was doing something like bad grandpa, bad trip, you know, like, Bore at, yeah. Like if he did the exact same movie, but every single set piece, instead of it being him just being weird to hoax. funny to actors, but it was to real people, then it would be so much better. So, like, every single fucking scene, look at that in the context of, like, him yelling at the bank. Like, if, you know, you look at the special features of this movie, and technically he did

do that, but it's not really, like, it's not really shown in the movie. So basically what he says is, like, oh, yeah, I hired all of these extras, but I didn't tell them that I was going to do all this weird stuff. But you don't really feel that way, because the extras, the extras know they're on a set, and they're trying to keep their composure. And they're, you know, so when he's going like, ding dong, and he's like, salami against the old lady's face or whatever, she's not acting like a real person would. She's acting like someone getting paid to be there who knows that, you know, like this is the director's doing weird shit in front of me.

I'm an extra. I don't get paid enough, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so the humor isn't there in the same way that it would be if it was like a candid camera sort of thing. I think the movie would essentially be fixed if they had filmed it in that way. But I don't know what examples I could give of. earlier films that have done that. All I know is like Borat Bruno. Like if there are earlier films that did that, then, you know, let me know in the comments

section. Maybe I'm just not thinking of them. Maybe there's a really obvious one. But like, yeah, I think that would fix the movie. I suppose, yeah, you have the two options. You can either, yeah, you can either do it that way or I think what also may have fixed it as if the jokes actually had some kind of consequence on the greater like story or the way it was building.

he does like whip out a gun like put it in his mouth like on a busy street no one cares with the salami factory like no one reacts to anything and if there were consequences and it was building an absurdity that way i think that would be more satisfying or yeah have have the actual like borat style i had the exact same thought yeah when watching it because it there are too many just like throw away non sequiters yeah because that was his show they just aren't funny and his show worked a lot better yeah it's a bunch of little skips he was doing it was doing doing the same shit, but he was making other people uncomfortable, whether it was his live audience or random people on the street. Like, that elevated what he was doing.

It wasn't just funny because he was going like, making silly noises and screaming and shit. It was because he was doing that in front of other people that were clearly getting uncomfortable. And that was the one element that he forgot to include in the movie because maybe he misinterpreted why his show was so successful in the first place. You know, a lot of his humor is literally just like weird, cringe, silly. like, I don't know if you want to look up his his like bum bum song or whatever. It's like, it's just like looking back at that, it's like

holy shit, I loved that in elementary school, but this is kind of cringe now, you know? It was so perfect for kids. Yeah, no, that's what I kept thinking. I was thinking the 12 year old me would love this movie. This is how I remember like the early 2000s kind of early internet stuff. It was like

about the excess and the shock value of it all and how just ridiculously funny that was at the time. And some of that stuff has age really poorly, but especially when it's at like the expense of certain people. I like it when it stayed completely absurd. That was when it worked the best for me, when it was like the suit on backwards

and the piano with the sausages and the scuba gear in the shower and stuff like that. They are funny on their own. And his like sickening commitment to the performance as well is like, you can't keep your eyes off it. He's so mental in the way he does it. I would like to point out that that's like two out of the three sequences

or scenes that you just mentioned that you really enjoyed those are ones where he created like little songs for them and that's another one of his strengths is creating little tiny goofy silly like ha ha funny because it's not funny songs right yeah like he's great at that and those are just the best parts of the movie because those don't require like a real person

a real audience member or you know person on the street to react to them They're just like, that's one of his strengths. And so that being relatively unchanged from his original show and other things that he's been doing, okay, that works great, you know. You didn't need anything more than that. And yeah, I completely agree. Like those are the funniest parts of the movie is like backwards man, daddy, would you like some sausage shit like that? I did get a good laugh though out of the concept of he keeps going to this like animator-producer guy trying to get the job and the way he gets it by his.

dad coming in and having a fight and the producer like thinks it's like staged and it's like a reflection I guess of how he got his show made and everything and it's all just like a like a misunderstood joke because the main character he's like he's such a bumbling buffoon like he's so unlikable and he's screaming and he's so like obnoxious and over the top and there is a way to make characters like that work like always sunny is what I think of like they're horrible people but the way they write the show everyone around them is always kind of anti them and they're not

like painters, good guys or anything but it does get a bit lost in that where like it tries to have the stuff with his dad and yeah there's so much like throwaway stuff that just doesn't work I felt like every scene was like a roll of the dice if it was going to be funny or not

and if it wasn't if it didn't land on funny I think the TV episode format just really helps with that here I was trying to judge it like how do we even judge this as a movie because the plot, the cinematography, there's not much to say. It's just, it's all a joke. It's all in service of Tom Green making an ass of himself. Like, that's it. So I'm not even sure how to judge it, really. Every single scene was just some dumb idea that he had come up with independently of its

greater context in the movie. And then he just bullshitted his way to fit it into the movie. And this is further evidenced by the amount of unused footage and deleted scenes that he had in the film, much of which plays over the end credits. You see, like, fucking him and his dad, like, running away from an explosion and, like, him, like, sucking off a cow udder and shit like that. There was also a deleted scene of, they, like, built, like, an entire, like, boat that was supposed to be destroyed for the movie, like, this whole expensive prop thing and, like, dropped it from a helicopter into a gigantic wood chipper sort of thing, and that never made it into the movie. And it's just, like, all this wasted fucking money. It's

like, holy shit. things that just didn't even make it into the movie. And, you know, this on its own might be more evidence towards the like, ha-ha, I'm trawling the studio theory. But I really honestly believe that he just like he didn't know what he was doing. And he tried to make something that was still commercially successful, even if critics didn't like it. He still wanted to make something that like people watched and enjoyed.

I don't think he set out to make something that wasn't successful. He just didn't know what he was doing because everything he's done beforehand was literally just single one-off little cutaway gags and then you're trying to structure that into an entire plot of a movie, I'm sorry, but you have to have like a writer helping you do that maybe or

you know, like I said, do the whole fucking Borat Bruno style which wasn't really a popular thing at the time but, you know, if he invented that, it would have worked if he if he had actually pioneered that, you know? Yeah. The only thing is with the, there is a lot of

meta-humor in the movie. I think the producer stuff, like, that seems to be there for a reason, you know, is jabbing at something. And then when he gets the million dollars and he's, like, just blowing the money on ridiculous set pieces and taking it to like Afghanistan and everything and, like, just throwing away 700 K and everything. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And the guy holding up the sign saying, when this is this movie going to fucking end?

I felt like they're like done more with that. You know, I felt like, like, like, even with the filmmaking aspects of it, maybe something like black dynamite where shots are intentionally fucked up or the sound you see the boom mic like that would have helped too I feel like that that movie is just so much more dense maybe yeah so much more going on

if it's a joke movie anyway yeah this movie is basically a joke rip torn best name for Hollywood Rip Torn yeah rest of peace yeah rip rip rip he was good

um great performances in this movie I mean, yeah, he's a... Yeah, his girlfriend or whatever who just wanted to give him up the job. The sucking thing. Yeah, that was a bit. That felt a bit dated.

It was silly. Yeah, there's a lot of... It's just so ridiculous. The whole movie's so ridiculous. Yeah, I like the innocent silliness like that. Yeah, it's so ridiculous. Drew Barrymore was in the movie. Yeah, that was weird.

She was married to him Yeah like very briefly right Yeah Because he's in Charlie's Angels I've never seen it But he saw his credits Oh right Oh I didn't know

I saw the movie when I was very young Can't remember a single thing about it Except that fucking banger song by Destiny's Child Yeah It's just completely random If it's gonna be funny or not You know like I didn't really enjoy the deer Like bit

Where he's like wearing the That's the skin Like re-watching his fucking cable show It's like that's so many of the gags is literally just like animal carcasses Like he'll just like get get like a fucking sheep's head on stage and like smash it with a fucking hammer And then like put it into his mouth and be like And just like wow you're gonna get Samadilla this is gross and like that's supposed to be the humor I guess But like that's what he was doing

They dislike the most because I watched the like Roger Euber review of this earlier and it's quite the funniest oh yeah it's really funny I want to read through all of those oh my god but they point out the jokes that I didn't have as much as a problem with like people seem to be really hung up on the the baby scene where it's like I know right that is it is gross but it's so that is so ridiculous and absurd it's a right review the Freddie got figured Roder Ebert it's a different generation where We're exposed to a lot more morbid things growing up. I think he gave it zero stars.

Yeah, yeah. He either gave it half a star, zero. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's pretty funny. Which is a very rare rating, but not his only zero star. Yeah. Yeah, there was like a publication that invented a new rating system, like the minus one star for this movie.

Yeah. Like it offended so many people. That is, I guess, what he was going for with the shock thing. If he's always known for shock value, it's just, I just, I just, He forgot to make a funny movie though. Yeah, I just don't get that much out of the shock value on its own. Yeah, you can still have a shocking movie that's funny and commercially successful. It's just he didn't know how to do the one part.

He knows how to be shocking. He knows how to be like out there and crazy and push boundaries, but he doesn't know how to like write a good movie. I was thinking of the hangover movies. Those are a little more tame, but the commercial success of those movies are like, you know, huge. And they're like rated R gross out. movies and there's been a lot of those since like after that Sasha Baron

Cohen he loves yeah gross out stuff but it yeah you're right it does work much better in those movies because the the is at the expense of real people uh-huh yeah right when he did it in brothers Grimsby it didn't work as well or the dictator yeah like those weren't nearly as fine for me anyway yeah no sometimes that's what you need you know especially if like the entire success of your show had that element it's like maybe you need I'm glad I watched it again though because this was like my eureka moment of like that's what's wrong with it

I never it's not like a movie that I hate watching it's just like a lot of it just doesn't work no it's very interesting and memorable in that weird way and it's funny people describe it as as Dadaism where it is like anti art in a weird way

I think it's more like uncle art sorry yeah I don't know I'm still like I've only seen it once. I do kind of want to go back and watch it again. Right. I can't say about some of these other like shock value awful comedies. Some people interpret it almost as like a just a ridiculous parody of those kind of movies, you know, where it's like really lowbrow stuff. But it is hard to get an interpretation from it, you know, when the message is already kind of decided at this point.

I don't know if on like the DVD if there's like a fair interviews or anything but and it won there's a bunch of special features yeah so like what are you trying to exactly figure out about it though like because this idea that it's like intentionally bad you know and how far that goes how deep that goes yeah i don't know how to a complete degree yeah like it's it's true and it's untrue like he knows he's making something that's not high brow, you know, like it's, he knows he's not making like something that critics would like. He already knows that. He thought it would be commercially successful anyway. And also, he's made arguments like after the film was, you know, kind of bombed. He's gone on record saying things like, yeah, well, I think more people actually watched it than is reflected in the

numbers because there were, there were probably a lot of kids sneaking into the movie that bought tickets for something else, you know. Mm-hmm. He knows he didn't make something like astute. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But he didn't set out to make a commercially unsuccessful film is what I would say. I mean, maybe his audience is mainly like they couldn't see the movie because they

weren't old enough. I know, right? Yeah. I mean, that might have been it. He didn't even consider that. Probably. Well, because, I mean, like, everything he's done before was on cable television. Which

Right. Anyone can watch As long as you got kidding Even though he was like pushing some boundaries there There's only so much you can show Sure So now that he's doing a film he's like Oh I can just do whatever the fuck I want This will be my you know

There's so many times where it's like Oh I'm making a movie now It can be R rated unrated whatever And so he went for that But I think yeah you're probably right Like a lot of people just couldn't watch the movie Because his audience was a lot of children I think

Right they would have to sneak in so exactly they don't make money off you watch it just not make money out of it yeah exactly which again maybe it's an f you to the industry god i hate to use the word like act with this movie like the first chunk of the movie um i was like oh no i think i'm really going to not enjoy this but it kept winning me over with weird like just non sequiters that again his commitment to that just ridiculous absurdity with like the what was it the like African American Greek myth and just dumb shit like that like

it is funny there is funny stuff in there for sure but it is just bogged down by you're right it's way too long you could just cut up the funny bits put it on YouTube and get basically the same experience by watching it you know because they're not connected I don't feel like much was connected in this movie yeah there's a lot that you just like could remove and the movie would make just

as much sense anyway. Mm-hmm. And the, like, title scene, the Freddie Got Fingered scene, what it's referencing, doesn't show up into the movie to way later on. And it's only really for one punchline involving his brother. Yeah, and it doesn't influence anything. Yeah, because it makes you seem that that's going to be the plot of the movie. That's what it says, like on IMDB and Letterbox and everything.

Like, that's what the plot of the movie is, but it really isn't about that, really. Yeah, it's one segment. There isn't much plot. It's more about his cartoonist ambitions, I think. That seems to be like the biggest through line, I guess. His cartoonist ambitions, that's right. I didn't even remember that part. He said, he was in America.

Yeah. Oh, my God. I like, that part was in bed. Look at my own. I like that, too. Yeah. That was fine. Some weird moments.

Mm-hmm. But I think he just needs somebody that knows how to write shit, like curating what he's doing. I think he had too much control Yeah Yeah He directed it

You know That's weird He's he's He's like this is his passion project And he did like all the stunts and everything Everything he did in the movie He came up with the idea And was like I'm gonna do that

In this movie It's crazy The resources and the free reign They gave him to make this Yeah I think that's really impressive Oh man yeah Well just like just this one guy

Having all this money to make a film And this much creative power I don't think he'd even see that like now because he was a huge name at the time He's a household name when this movie was coming out You could say this movie might have killed his career, but Now he makes like videos on YouTube that like Yeah, he's a YouTube man I mean a chunk of people watch I don't I wouldn't call it a lot. I wouldn't call it a little But yeah, he's like doing like some van life shit. He's like I'm living in a van

But not like out of like him being homeless or it probably, but he's like just doing it for like I don't know like reason like I don't know self for the goofs Yeah it seems like he might be on medication now I think that there was a moment where like a flip got switched or something like Starting around when he started his podcast sort of thing he seemed to have calmed down a lot I think he might have started taking like ADHD meds I don't know like I might be reading into it His testosterone might have gone down a bit or something Yeah I don't know know. He might have just gotten too old for all that shit. Yeah, he got sick

of it. I mean, it's exhausting to watch. Like, he's committed to body and mind and soul to the project. They'll give him that. We only got one movie. I would have liked that. I was infamous. Yeah, like, Tom Green never made another one. Did you read about his, like, a Razi

acceptance stuff? No, I didn't. Oh, did he actually show up at the Razzies? Yeah, he showed up and he brought his own red carpet. There's a video, actually, of him showing up with the red carpet. and like rolling it out and walking down it and apparently there's no video of it i think there's a picture of it um when he went up and accepted the award he started playing like a harmonica like really badly for just minutes and minutes until he was like pulled off the stage so he continued because i can see

like that is that is fucking hilarious like that he loves kissing people off and doing yeah yes that's pretty funny yeah i've seen like the holly berry at the razzies oh yeah where she blamed her agent and then all of a sudden stopped getting cast in a bunch of movies maybe you shouldn't have done that, Hallie. Yeah.

This was my agent's fault. All of a sudden her career nosed eyes. Yeah, then she's in the call. Hey, she's in Johnwick three recently. That's pretty good. Imagine throwing your agent under the bus. Yeah, blaming him for a catwoman. Yeah.

You took it. Yeah. No one forces the bank account it's suffering. Christ. I mean, obviously, Catwoman's terrible. She was trying to put the blame on someone else. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot about this movie that doesn't work, but I enjoyed it when I was younger.

And I still enjoy parts of it today. It's not an undigestible movie. I can get through it without feeling frustrated or bad about myself. I don't think it's a great movie. movie at all. But, you know, there's something there. And especially, I think it's also a lot more easily digestible for me because, you know, I like a lot of anti-humor.

I like a lot of Tim and Eric shit, you know? Yeah, same. That's a lot of stuff that I enjoy. So with that being something that's in the movie, like that's sprinkled in there, you know. Yeah, I do too. It's just too long. You know, for a film, I want like a bit more than just a bunch of dollars. gag in a row.

Yeah. And especially when they're so repetitive with like the screaming stuff especially. It's like, oh, scene isn't work. Let's just start screaming and yelling. That's all he ever did. Yeah. That was his whole career. And I get if you like that, if you get the subtext of the anti-humor or whatever.

But I just, I kind of thought it was dull after, I don't know what point. Maybe after he jacked off the horse. It doesn't matter how good. somewhere around. That's like really early on. Yeah, it's really early. Yeah. But like, you know, or maybe the deer skin part when he's like flailing his arms around.

Yeah, that's when I was like, oh, is this, all this is going to be? It's just like this kind of shit. Like, yeah, I guess it's. It only gets worse. So I'm like, okay. It's not that I can't watch it. I bet other people, I bet for some people it's unwatchable. But I can watch it.

It's just, you know, how much, like, what am I even here for? Why am I even watching this? It's like a character should just be. on me. When you're watching it on real people, it's a joke on the people, like, in the scene and then also the comedian, because it's kind of like a secondhand embarrassment kind of thing. Like, oh my God, I can't believe Sasha Baron Cohen and this other guy are naked in this, like, a hotel conference room or whatever the fuck. Here, it's just like, okay, it's actors on a set, like you said. It doesn't have that same kind of umph. And he wouldn't even need

to be a good writer like, like Sasha Baron Cohen for like Bore it. You know, like those movies all of the set pieces are strung together logically in a way where it's like so much better than what a prank movie deserves, right? So like Tom Green wouldn't even need to go that far. He could just have as much bullshit the same, literally the same plot, literally the same justifications for how things happen and where things go. But if the scenes were just filmed candidly with hidden cameras and real people, it would save the entire movie. You could have the exact same thing, just real. just real reactions and knowing that he's getting reactions out of people, right? Like that would save the entire movie. It would be a fine, okay movie. It would not be nearly as polarizing, I don't think. Yeah.

No, you're right. I will say one thread I did fairly consistently enjoy was just the interplay between him and his dad, him and Rip Torn. That did keep me going because it's just he like hates him so much. and the, you know, the sibling rivalry stuff as well with, like, the car with number one son. And, oh, yeah, you're my number one son too. And all this kind of dumb shit. Like, that side of it worked for me more.

But, yeah, I can't with some of the gross that shit and how far it goes. It is weirdly nostalgic, though. That's what kept me going. Yeah. It was just reminded me of that era. Yeah. It is for me because I watched it when I was younger. Yeah, okay.

I know what you mean. The soundtrack also, it's fucking, like, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Skate music. It is like a time capsule for that kind of stuff. And, yeah, just the language they use and everything is all very of its time. Yeah. Tom Green's career was of its time.

His entire, like, his entire success was of its time. Like, he did what he was doing at the exact right time where people were like, oh, I like this new thing on cable. Yeah, yeah. Like, this guy is being weird. I'm going to watch this and especially if kids watching you know like ha ha he's screaming says poo poo right

you don't need the layers of anti-humor to enjoy that as a child you can enjoy it at face value yeah all right what would you give it out of 10 I guess we talked longer about it than I thought

considering it's like yeah it's just so dumb ridiculous yeah it's a difficult one to rate yeah I'm torn on a on a four or five.

Four or five star? Uh, sorry. No, yeah. Out of ten. Two and a half stars, I guess. Yeah. Fuck, it's so good.

Yeah. That's fine. Yeah, you know what? I'll let the the sards decide what my rank is. They can interpret just like the movie.

I'd add a 10. I'll give it an anti-rating of three out of ten. So it's actually... Wouldn't an anti-rating be negatives? Yeah. So it's actually 10 or what is it? One and a half.

Negative 20 out of five. I'm giving it a four out of ten. I don't think it's like worse than average as a film, even though it is more digestible than I guess a lot of other movies. It's more digestible than a five. The lower you get from a five, the more entertainment. painting it is for me anyway. It made me laugh more than I think I

want to admit. That's why like I'm half. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a good movie. It's not a good movie. It's not good. Yeah. Because it does have one of those kind of reputations where you're, if you haven't seen it and you don't know anything about Tom Green, the expectation

was that this is like one of the worst films ever. So I guess I was pleasantly surprised in a weird way that there actually was some stuff there that I'd like because there are a lot of like comedies that are like so abysmal that I just cannot handle them like a movie 43s and that sort of tier of stuff where there's just there's nothing absolutely nothing yeah but there is some stuff there to like yeah it's pretty notorious yeah speaking of notorious movies apparently Southline Tales is getting the original cut on blu-ray this month oh yeah we're reading an article isn't that fucking nuts Would you rather watch this than Southland Tales?

Because I actually think I would watch this over Southland Tales. Yeah, I think I would. Well, no, I mean, yeah, I have seen Freddy Got Fingered more times than Southland Tales, both ironically and unironically at different points in my life, I guess. But I'm very intrigued by this Southland Tales thing because, you know, it's the version that got the standing ovation at Cannes Film Festival. Yeah, I was confused about that. I thought it was, like, booed. Oh, I don't know. Maybe this article was fucking wrong.

I have no idea. I see. I thought he had like an unfinished version and he like prefaced that like it wasn't really done. And that's what was Shane. This is. That's pretty funny. See if you can find anything. Okay.

Yeah. This article's just fucking wrong then. Everywhere else is saying it was poorly received at Cannes and that's why it got cut. So maybe it got, maybe it was one of the standing ovation and booed at the same times at came because that actually happened. Yeah, yeah. They're clapping the day. Yeah, that's ridiculous

Yeah, I mean the movie's awful Standing Ovation Half the crowd booing Or 100% of the crowd booing while they give a standing Ovation which I kind of like to imagine It's the case It's like the Blade Runner Cut

It's gonna totally fix the movie It's gonna make it I'm gonna get rid of the bad narration Yeah, like I don't know This is the first one of these stupid Like it fixes the movie cuts That I feel like I might

Want to see out of curiosity, you know? Not that I think that it's possible that the movie will be good after, but it's like, I just want to know what was there. Because like, this hasn't been seen since its initial screening, right? I guess not.

No, I don't think so. How long was that original film, though? Because I remember it dragging and dragging. I don't think I could take... Yeah, 15 more minutes added on top of that. Like, I know some people love it, but, dude. Yeah, and you also have to read those graphic novels to understand.

I know. Yeah, it's two hours 25. It's already two hours 25, so it's going to make it need three hours. Yeah, so maybe that'll be my deciding factor of saying no, you're right. Yeah. I'm going to pass on that one. You're absolutely right. Somebody else in the subreddit can tell us how it is.

Yeah, yeah, because they released the Godfather 3 one, like just before Christmas, didn't it? Oh, yeah? Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. Like another one. That's a new thing now, these recuts. Somebody told me the funniest fucking thing. What?

So, spoilers for the Godfather 3. So the original title of the godfather part three was the death of Michael Corleone, right? And so for the new cut, this is what somebody told me on like my Patreon hangout or whatever. For the new cut, they were like, oh, see, we're going to include the old title and be like, yeah, this is, you know, the implication like, this is how it's supposed to be sort of thing. But apparently, at the end of the movie, they cut it. before he actually died. So they did like the opposite in both directions where it's like he no longer dies in the movie,

but they have the title now, death of Michael Corleone. So that's what I was told anyway. Yeah. Isn't that so funny? It's so bizarre, yeah. All right, question time. We can.

Okay. Let's do some questions from the Sardonicast community. If you want to leave your own questions, head over to the Sardonicast subreddit where there will be a suggestion thread. You can ask whatever you feel like. Big Blue Fool is going to ask one first What is the angriest you've ever been at a film?

I mentioned movie 43 And that's definitely up there for me As well as like disaster movie Um Just stuff like that of course So you can't avoid it But With more like

You know bigger You know productions Coming from like companies like Disney Like Ralph breaks the internet Um I saw it was like in the in the Reddit thread I replied to this

and that is one where I was like really angry and shocked really yeah I was like no this this can't they can't do this it's just the reference movie

like every scene oh yeah it's just sequel isn't it yeah yeah yeah the second one the first one's fine the first one's absolutely fine the second one yeah it is just like just a bunch of random scenes

just referencing like other Disney stuff it is so fucking bad yeah I hate that yeah I would go haunting a Sharon Tate, murder Nicole Brown Simpson. Like those really awful Daniel Ferrens. They're fucking terrible, tasteless. I know.

Like, yeah, they're just insufferable. Megan's missing. I watched that recently. Yeah, that's fucking trash. Yeah. There's like a total of zero redeemable qualities in that movie. Exactly. Literally nothing about it is good.

Yeah. It's fucking weird. Michael Goy's fucking weirdo. yeah yeah you can say that there was a movie directed by john fevereaux that came out in 2019

and I'm trying to remember the title of yeah there's one that yeah Lion King 2019 it makes me really angry it makes me even angrier that I'm like perpetually working on this review

until the end of time and it's never going to go away and it's like it's this is my Caden Cotard's play you know this is my Synexiki New York Cynecta Cinec D.York wasn't already my Cynecta C in New York.

I'm passing the hour and a half mark and I've made it to... I will admit that my productivity has not been as great as it could have been in the past few months, but a lot of weird shit has come up. But I'm back into the groove now. And yeah, the... It's probably going to be like three hours long or some shit. Like more than that. Because I'm at the hour and a half mark and I don't feel like I've wasted any time whatsoever.

in the review. Like, everything that I'm saying in there is, like, crucially important to, like, what needs to be communicated. And I'm, I haven't made it to the initial incident yet. Like, so Mufasa's still alive. Dude.

But I'm just, I'm just getting into the beginning of the be prepared at the hour and a half mark. But I don't feel like I wasted any time with it. So that movie made you angry. It's made me a little bit angry. Yeah, maybe a little. A little bit.

a little bit of peeved It's a little annoying, you know Yeah No, I was thinking about the original Lion King I definitely underrated it on the episode Um I talked about it I'm gonna admit it now

Because I was I was looking through a list of all the like Disney uh you know the The Renaissance movies And I was thinking hang on yeah It probably is like the strongest with the songs specifically Like I know all the songs I can hum them they're so memorable Yeah, and especially with that 2019 one like contrasting.

It's like, oh, my God. Yeah. But, you know, to find the silver lining, John Favreau's Lion King 2019 is making me appreciate the original in ways that I didn't before. Yeah. Because sometimes you need to see something do it in an absolutely terrible wrong way. And to break that down and be like, okay, well, what made the original work in this? scene and then you start to realize like oh so like this is this is really logical how they wrote this

and how the characters emotions played off of each other in this scene how the information was delivered in in the way that they wrote it and logistically et cetera et cetera and so i'm finding like all these like you know i'm appreciating the original in ways that i didn't previously um which i think is also you know important thing to communicate so so yeah it's uh already like fucking as long as my old boy review, but I haven't even made it to the fucking first third of the movie yet. I haven't made it to the second act. Damn. That there's a lot to talk about.

It'll be good, though. It'll be fun. Let's do this one from Sky TV is fucking shit. What is your favorite black and white movie? Oh. My answer is probably, it's a movie I rewatched, I think, in the first quarantine. The Man Who Wasn't There? I suggested it for a

I'm a cast episode earlier. I love that movie. Yeah, because that's black and white with the noir stuff. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I adore that.

Yeah, looks great. I love the look of that movie. I'd probably go, Racerhead as my favorite. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. Yeah. Use of black and white and that is great. Makes the movie feel very dreamy.

Yeah. It wouldn't work the same in color. Natively, black and white, probably, like, I don't know, pass of glory. But if we're talking about filmed in color, and then post converted to black and white,

then, I don't know, the white ribbon. White ribbon's a good one. One old, one recent, yeah. Did you see the white ribbon? Yeah, white ribbons. How recently did you? That's been a year or so. Okay.

Yeah, I just don't remember knowing that you saw it. Yeah, it's good. I might have forgotten. Yeah, it's been a lot. I've seen it, yeah. Elephant Man, too, which is also David Lynch. Yeah, I've yet to see that one, actually. That's a great film as well.

Raging Bowl by Scorsese. That's an iconic one. Yeah. I love all three of those. Those are good black and white movies. Half of Memento. That's true. Oh yeah, you have to go by that.

Half of memento. The alternate cut of parasite. Yeah, there's a lot of good use as a black and white, like brief. Like, I think Kill Bill has good black and white. Oh, yeah, that's a great one. Yeah, that's a great one. It fixes the movie. It makes the movie better.

It makes it look much better, yeah. But Kill Bill has like some moments of black and white. I believe that was like my first exposure, like, or at least when I noticed black and white in like a movie. Yeah, so that was pretty cool. I think Tarantino uses it well. Yeah, I went down that rabbit hole of watching Tarantino getting angry at people on YouTube. It's pretty funny.

Getting Starbucks and like just for people harassing him. Yeah, why is he? Yeah, he's like acting like one of the characters in his movies. He's like, why are you threatening to like beat up this random. guy like I get he's a jerk but you can just fucking walk away he's yeah he reminds me of like Jim Carrey when he goes too far into a role uh it's really weird but it's real life like he's like a character real life like swinging his fists of people fuck too nutty sorry two nunty says what movies do you currently give a 10 out of 10 that you do

think we'll hold up on a rewatch. So I don't know if you guys have any that come to your mind. I've got a couple I went through earlier. Hmm. Okay, I'd have to dig into my fucking past here. I have the Woody Allen film Blue Jasmine as a 10. I think it's a really good movie. I don't think it's a 10, though.

Okay. I don't have it as 10. I was 18 when I saw Life of Pie as well, and I rated that at 10. Yeah, that's done. Yeah. I changed my ratings all the time. Yeah, I had Life of Pie as a 10. I lowered that.

Wow. Yeah, I think that would go down. I lowered gravity a lot. I used to have gravity at like a nine, and then I've lowered it to like a six, I believe. First one showing up when I organized by ratings, there's a internet show called I Hate Everything,

that I rate it a 10. I might bring that down later. Six. Six out of six. Yeah, let me like, oh my God. Yeah, half. There's like, my tens are either, completely legitimate or completely

ironic. There's like a fucking life is strange YouTube fan movie that I rated a 10 on here that's really bad. Derek Savage Crime Show I have at a 10 Samurai cop I have it a 10. Nice. I don't have any ironic ratings. Ralph the movie

maker. Yeah yeah yeah yeah ironic. I don't have any of those ironic ratings. I only do fuck you out I only do Non-ironic So like all those movies I gave half star

Even though I love them I have our podcast as a 10 I have my own show as a 10 Okay Yeah that's good Yeah I'm I think I fixed most of the 10

When I was younger things I don't see any As sticking out as particularly bad right now Maybe American Psycho Maybe I'll rewatch that And give it a 9 I don't know I think it's pretty great, though. I like that movie a lot.

Maybe Kid with the Bike. Maybe I'll give that a 9 in the future. Yeah, they're like close. A lot of people give me shit for giving a 10 for Roman Polanski's The Ghost Writer. I thought it was really great, but I don't know. Maybe I'll watch that again and give it a 9 or something. Controversial dude, I guess. Yeah, I guess so.

Yeah, I don't think that's why people give me shit over it, though. I think people just say that it's like really bland. I don't know. I thought it was really well shot. Yeah, I've seen that phone. like a long time ago. I don't really remember it that much. Yeah.

Yeah, we'll see. I need to see more Polansky anyway. Yeah. I guess that's so good. His baby is great. Yeah, that's a good one. We've got some good ones in there. Hey, critic, leave that wall alone.

Oh, Maja, says, What is your opinion on film titles that use only one extremely common word, i.e. sing, music, soul, run, us, her, etc. I for one think it's a bit silly in, self-important. It's also pretty annoying to search for these movies on Google as you most likely have to write movie after the title. I agree. I think her is it a kind of an annoying title, it the thing like all those, you know, you're trying to describe it. When you say the it's like almost not the same though right? There's somebody that start with the. Yeah,

there does change it. I personally find it more annoying when a movie is remade and they keep the same title like the Ghostbusters remix so now when you search Ghostbusters yeah well like the thing where now when you search like an I and D-B Ghostbusters it's like the 2016 version yeah the Lion King or the Lion King same thing or jungle book or any of them um I don't have an issue with one word titles I will say that when I hear the title her I think like H-U-R-R and I find that silly but I love the movie I think it's like my favorite movie of the 2010 Her. I love the movie, too.

It's just like can't work really well, though. Like, like Parasite. I think that's a great name for that movie. Coyani-Skatsy, cachet. Fuck, like, there's a billion that work really well. I don't know. I don't take any issue with one-word titles. Yeah, it's just...

Adaptation. Brilliant title. Yeah. Yeah, when it makes sense with the movie, I guess when it's like M. Knight's old, we'll have to wait and see. But is that the title? of his new movie?

Like a one syllable word like her. Yeah, it's good old. Or you like, have you seen the movie her? You know, or have you seen her? It's a weird thing to say. Yeah, it's weird to say. But I like the title regardless. I like the title.

Yeah, it encapsulates what it's about. I get what the guy's saying in the question. Someone replied to it saying that a YouTuber sell specs theorize that film studios maybe want to push their brand by doing this. So whenever you type in the generic title. the search bar you also have to write whatever company it is like dream works is home disney's tangled and so forth i guess my counterpoint to that would be i actually usually search like the the title and then the year it came out that normally brings the results without saying the studio

so i don't know about that but yeah i do i do agree that like as a marketing decision naming your film a very common word is probably a bad idea because it's just going to get buried. There's a film by Pablo Larene, if I pronounce it properly, it's got Gael Garcia-Bernel.

It's called No, just N-O. And it's really good, but I don't know how anybody's going to find it. Yeah, exactly. Fucking... There's a triple X, which if you search for that, you're just going to find porn, which makes the movie

untorrentable, you will never find a torrent of that movie because you're only going to find porn. Damn, do you think about that? It's anti-piracy measure. Triple X. Yo-Yo-Yo Bega has an obligatory one we should probably answer.

What are some of the films you're looking forward to most in 2021? Oh, cool. Well, I haven't seen Minari. Yeah, and I'm looking forward to seeing that. I don't know if that counts this year or next year, but there's no way for me to see you right now. So I'm looking forward.

Oh, actually, technically we're in 20-21 now. So what I meant to say was last year or this year. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, technically. Yeah, if any of these do come out, I mean, light night in Soho, is that what's called? Last Night in Soho?

Last night and Soho. Yeah, that one I'm looking forward to, yeah. Yeah, yeah, hopefully that comes out. if it's a, I don't know if it's going to be like comedic or I think it's definitely a horror movie of some sort. It was supposed to be out last year. Yeah. Oh really?

It was that one that was pushed. Yeah. I'm sure a lot of the films that are going to wind up coming out are going to be like that. I'm really looking for that. Chaos walking. Chaos walking, yeah. Even if that might not get released next year.

It might get released to follow. It might get pushed again. They might just push it to fucking January 2020. Until the world ends. Yeah. They might start. and Stealth release it. Yeah.

Just dump it on VOD. I mean, at this point. What's weird is Edgar Wright also has a documentary coming out the same year. I forget what it's called. It's like a music documentary or something. We got Sia's movie, music. We get to see how much of a cluster-fuck dumpster fire that is. Or if it's just boring and fine.

Apparently Peter Jackson's doing another documentary. And similar style. But it's about the Beatles. like unseen footage of them recording Let It Be, I think. So that's really interesting to me. Okay, cool. Yeah, there's Dune. I don't know.

Dune's going to be great. I'm kind of curious about the suicide squad, James Guns. I don't know. I kind of have faith in him. From here. Yeah, yeah, definitely. No matter what it will be an improvement. Right, exactly.

That's what I mean. Yeah, I think. he's able to, you know, embody character through, like, the studio systems still, so I'm curious how that's going to turn out. The Snyder Cut. I'm going forward to that. I'm looking forward to that.

I'm looking forward to the Snyder Cut. It should be out soon. There was all this fucking hubbub about Gaspar Noe's Irreversible doing a reversed cut. Oh, yeah. And I looked up articles on it recently, and I was like,

isn't this, wasn't it supposed to come out in 2020? And I saw no updates for it. Just a bunch of articles saying it would come out in 2020. And then it's like, where is it? I don't know where the fuck it is. I don't know what happened to it. Oh, weird. I would like to see it, I guess.

But, like, yeah, that's annoying. Oh, well. Let's see if there's anything else I know. He's got his other movie, too. Lux Eternah. I want to see that. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, there's, uh, the many saints of Newark. I'm curious how that's going to turn out. It's like the Sopranos prequel movie. It is written by... Oh, yeah. What's his name? David Chase, so I have some faith. I did see...

I looked up who the director was, and I think it's the Game of Thrones, one of the Game of Thrones show about guys, so... I bet it'll be pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be awesome. As long as Chase is there, yeah, yeah, I have faith.

It's an HBO thing, so... Mm-hmm. We got a new Andrew Dominic movie called Blonde. This is the director of assassination of Jesse James, and also, uh, killing them softly and chopper I think another man

I haven't seen that one though got a new Paul Schrader coming out who knows what that will be like it's called the coward counter it's got Oscar Isaac and Willem Defoe in it that's cool we got a fucking Yorgos Lampthemos movie coming out

oh really? Yeah Untitled National Opera Project I don't know what that is but Emma Stone's in it let's assume it's 2021 and then fucking Mystery Guitar Man Joe Penna's got a new movie coming out supposedly called Stowe away.

Got Anna Kendrick, Tony Colette. So I'm interested to see what that's like because his film Arctic was really very competent and enjoyable. That should be cool. And I'm sure there's a bunch of other shit that will come out. I think that's a fair amount, a chunky man to look forward to. Many Saints in New York, yeah, that should be a good one. I didn't even think of that. And that is directed by Alan Taylor, who directed.

Terminator Genesis and Thor, the Dark World. But I bet it'll be good. Oh, shit. There's a, there's a Nicholas Cage movie. Let me see if I can remember what this is. Or is it another one? Oh, it's Prisoners of the Ghostland. Oh, my God.

It's premiering at Sundance in less than a month. Nice. And I'm approved, and so I'll try to see it. It's the director of Suicide Club. and love exposure. So like these weird Japanese movies. Yeah, anti-cornell. And they've got Nicholas Cage now, Prisoners of the Ghostland,

action horror thriller is what it's being advertised as. So that could be interesting. I love kind of where his career's going right now. Yeah. It's like better than Keanu right now. I mean, it's my enjoyment, I guess. Yeah, in your opinion. Well, speaking of Keanu, we have a question from Giano.

juicy McGooseface 2, who says, I was curious if you guys have played cyberpunk 2077 and what your views are if you have. Also, do you think CD Project Red has lost all credibility? And if so, can they call themselves back? This is, of course, referencing the state of the game. Because I've tried playing it a few times. Every time I go into the menu to, like, tinker with the settings, the game, like, freezes, so I've just given up.

What are you playing on? on Xbox that's probably why Expone? No, the series X? Series X? Yeah, yeah. Oh, so you have a new gen console

and it's still being shit. Wow, that's it. My brother's playing it on a PS4. He says it's broken as fuck but he likes the story enough that he's just keep going, yeah, going on with it. Yeah, I can wait.

Yeah, I'm playing on PC. It's running okay, but he has a lot of issues like textures popping in people popping in cars Yeah like Lacking the frame rate goes down Tons of issues like that

Yeah I played it on PC I beat it I did not do a whole lot of side quests Because I wasn't invested enough into the world To want to I thought the story was fine There were some things about it that I liked Kiana Reeves did not do a great job acting in it But people will convince themselves that he did

Because they like him and yeah the um it just it's it felt like a very wasted opportunity especially just immediately after playing that game after I beat it and just being like af again I'm just going for the ending right now like i'm not going to spend a lot of time in this universe sort of thing i started playing yakuza zero which is just so much fun and it reminded me like wow you can have kind of like an open world game but you're you can also do fun things in it and it reminded me that games could be fun still because before I played cyberpunk I had a very bad

like three in a row I was playing the new don't nod game Twin Mirror which is broken as fuck I played Hunt Down the Freeman I played some other bad shit I don't remember it was just like bad bad bad bad bad bad in a row that I forgot that good games existed and so when I played cyberpunk it wasn't like

the worst experience I was just kind of like lukewarm like meh but then as soon as I beat cyberpunk I was like games can be good when playing Yakuza Zero. So yeah, I just have no motivation in cyberpunk to want to explore and want to pay attention to things, you know, to just the universe is so lacking, which just sucks so much because they created this. Is it lacking because of the writing or just the way the game like is just fucked? The amount of shit you can do in the game is so limited, right? If you're going to have a cyberpunk game, I want to be able to like show up at some random building and play fucking cyberpool, you know? Like GTA 5 had so many shit So much shit that you could do

Independently of the story missions and although there are a bunch of side missions in cyberpunk I mean like the gist of it that I got and I didn't play a whole lot of them But like they were really repetitive in a lot of the same thing like the the universe that was there didn't really feel Real you know it didn't feel real it felt It didn't feel a lot of like the rock star games do like playing Red Dead Redemption or even goes to Tsushima like this year there's a there's like you go anywhere and just stuff would come up and you know it felt more organic how people would approach you with missions than it does in this it does feel kind of dated more like kind of fallout or sky room or something um but i i still like it i like the world it's like

a witcher i guess i like the world just fine i thought it was cool i like the graphics and all that uh john the john wick whatever johnsonsonsonsonson that's his name that that was so thrown in i felt like that was just didn't even need to be in the game really the parts where I was playing is him oh really yeah and his character's so one-dimensional like he's just always aggressive so is the choice thing not in there because like the Witcher 3 was all about like the choices and how it would like change the game based on your decisions does cyberpunk not do that not really it yeah you can approach you can approach missions differently you know you could do stealthy or not there's definitely points where I was like I went on like this this this

this base or whatever on a rooftop and I talk to the guy there's like different things you can do you can either like kill him and take his gun or you could do this kind of competition where you do like target practice and then you get the gun that way if you come in first place so there's like different approaches

but it didn't feel like the story was that like it's not like until dawn or something where the narrative would go so far one direction yeah it didn't feel quite like that I was expecting something a little more like I would affect the story more but not really it's just kind of It's more like polish. It looks cool. It's fun to shoot things, but yeah, it's not much going on.

Mechanics-wise, it feels incredibly dated. Mm-hmm, a little bit. The shooting mechanics feel fine and fluid. It's like I'm playing borderlands or something. Like, it's fun to shoot things. But what's crazy about it is, like, they have all of this extra shit that you can upgrade. Like, you have the, they call them bare arms and stuff, and you can do, like, you know, if you go to the Ripper Dock or whatever, you can get, like, double. jump and like super blah blah blah you can soup all this shit out i beat the entire game without doing any of that or ever feeling like i was compelled to or incentivized to all right i literally just because you have this like little health pack inhaler thing that you can just press at any moment so my health would go down and go i have asthma excuse me and then my health would go back up and i didn't really feel

like i was challenged i kind of just breeze through the entire game and i played it on normal but like you know there were some parts where i died a couple times but i literally never had to upgrade any of that shit. And I beat the entire game. I do actually consider that a positive that I guess there's no difficulty curve. But I do like that you can approach it anyway. Right. I do like you can approach it any way you want.

Like you can go throughout the whole game without killing anyone or upgrading anything and you could like you could get through it. You know, I do like that. Yeah, I don't know. It just doesn't see it. It's pretty glitchy. Yeah, the glitches are really bad. It makes it almost unplayable.

It takes you out of the. atmosphere if it had any to begin with exactly I had to turn my settings down but like it's just like you have this universe and you have like all these different cars and there's like people around and like you're supposed to believe that like this is a a place right but it's like you're just so limited in terms of like what you can experience in the universe yeah you know I just I didn't feel like it was really all that sandboxy of a game yeah yeah they clearly made mismanaged expectations because they made it seem like this was going to be like the next jump sort of thing like Red Dead Team sort of style. It's not quite.

Maybe graphically, but that's about it. Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to wait like a year and a half and probably be like really good by then. Might as well. Good call. Yeah. Even like with everything, you know, if everything's running properly, it's just there's so many things that are like built into like the core of the game that I just like. There's no way you can make the game great, in my opinion, even if you patch everything, right?

Like, the way that the police AI operate is just so stupid. Like, all of the AI in the game is awful. They literally spawn behind you. They teleport behind you when you commit a crime, and it's so frustrating and annoying. And it seems like they do way more damage than the normal goons. Like, I can't take down 10 goons, but when there's like three police officers around me, I can't take them out. They fucking, they take me down real quick. I don't understand how it, like, works.

And then he just pop in. Yeah, behind you. I was starting to get into the game when they were sort of, like, doing the initial incident plot thing, and Keanu Reeves gets introduced and whatever. I'm like, oh, this is starting to get a bit interesting. And then, like, I just assumed the game was, like, really long. It was playing through, like, the story missions and shit.

And until, you know, people just told me in chat, I'm like, oh, they were like, oh, you're getting close to the end of the game. I'm like, what? I thought this was, like, the first act or something. And it's not like the game was super short. It still took me, like, I don't know, 17 hours or something. And I did mess around and fucking. around and do a bunch of other stuff in the game. Not a whole lot of side missions, but like,

like, I don't know. It's weird that I played through all of the main story missions and still felt starved for like some sort of experience. And perhaps maybe I was unwilling to find out, but like maybe like the whole experience of the game that I was supposed to get out of it was hidden somewhere in the optional side quests or something. But you shouldn't design your game in that way, if that's the case. I'm a little unwilling to believe that if I played through all the side quests I would like it more. I don't believe that.

Yeah, it was relatively inoffensive for the most part, but just by the end of it I was like there was this gigantic hole where it was like man, something could have been there. I was expecting to get something out of it by the end, but

I was just so uninterested that I took the shortcut ending. It was like there was one ending where you just, you know, it's either two hours longer or it isn't, and I just decided it wasn't. Yeah, I'm done with this. I'm going to play a Yakuza. It's crazy so many people can't even play this game who bought it.

The fact that you can't even play it, Alex, is crazy. I feel bad. I'm impressed that my brother is playing it on a PS4. Like, that's nuts. Yeah, I could not do that. Yeah. You've seen some of the videos, like, it's hilarious. Yeah.

They're really laggy. My brother's doing it, too. I don't know. I don't know how Alright Alright Yeah I guess that's that Keanu

That's about it For One more question Yeah We want to do one Sure we can do one I got a quick one right From Brown Boy J

Have any of you guys Ever tried Spotted Dick What? I don't know what that is Is that a snack? It's a British Like dessert

Oh really Spotted Dick It's got suet in it That delicious Sueet It's got like Sueet Sounds funny gross

What's it called? Spotted Dick Google a picture of it I'm looking at it right now Oh it actually looks pretty yummy It's like a little rum cake The raw hard fat of beef or mutton found

Around the loins and kidneys Okay I'm learning what Sueet is I've always found Sueet like so gross Yeah Have you had The meat faggots? Um, no. No, I actually haven't.

All right. I'll try that when I'm in the UK. Yeah, we got some quirks over here, that's for sure. Spotted Dick. Very interesting. Oh, it's a pudding. That's what they call it on Wikipedia. Yeah.

Okay. Spotted is a reference to... Is it just like bread pudding? I like bread pudding. Yeah, yeah. It's called spotted dick. We have bread pudding, that. as well and that's actually nice.

Okay, that sounds just bad. In my opinion, yeah, it's not the greatest. I was looking up why it's called spotted dick. Mm-hmm. The spotted is like a reference to the dried fruit part. And then Dick, it also means dog or something. Okay.

That's widely used for pudding. Dog. I think it says also known as spotted dog, but I don't think it says that Dick is another word for dog, right? Oh, yeah, it's spotted dog. where dialect terms widely used for pudding from the same

etymology as dough. Okay. So spotted dough. A lot of local terms described Dick plain pudding. That makes sense. It's like spotted dough.

Whatever. Yeah. So it's called spotted dick. Leopard print. That makes more sense. You should just call it spotted dough. Yeah. Yeah, it's time to change.

It's the spotted parts. It's just the dick. It's like current cake or something. God damn it. Yeah. Railway cake is another word for it here I see on Wikipedia. Why not that? That sounds like so normal.

Yeah. Yeah, that does sound better. All right. That's it for question. That's spotted dick. I'm going to try some. Thanks, Brown, boy, Jay. And, yeah, I guess it's time for a recommendation.

It's yours, right? I believe so. Mm-hmm. And less. course. Well, last episode, I was like a bit disappointed that you only knew of Matia Amelric as a Bond villain. So I'm going to recommend the diving bell and the butterfly, which neither of you have seen,

unless you've seen it between last episode and now. No. Right? No, I haven't seen that. Okay. And, yeah, I consider it to be like a must watch sort of thing. Mm-hmm. I was really struggling with, uh,

recommending something I've already seen or something that I haven't already seen, but I was like, if you guys haven't seen Divingville in the Butterfly, I guess I have to fucking need that. And it's on my watch list too. So, yeah, thanks. I will.

Okay, yeah, 2007, directed by Julian Schnabel. I don't know if I pronounced that properly or not, but, and also Laura O'Biol. I did not know. She directed it also. Very nice. Oh, she fucking,

co-directed. I, Daniel Blake, with Ken Lodge. Holy shit. Oh, really? Yeah. I got to look for up. All right.

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That's how you got discovered back in the day. He made like 50 of them. Public access was so fucking those shows are so bad. That's where like scorch comes from. There's one called stairway to stardom. It's like

you know they pick up it's like one of those variety talent shows you know, but they've just found whoever they could on the fucking street it's like in New York and it was so fucking funny

how bad it was. You guys could look that up. Okay. If anybody does want to check out any of the Tom Green show, like I said, watch it while doing something else. But after rewatching some of it, I would say episode two is actually pretty good. It's got some good stuff in it if you want to start somewhere. Anyway, thanks for watching. Happy New Year, everybody.

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