Sardonicast - Sardonicast #79: Run Hide Fight, Jackie Brown

Episode Date: February 8, 2021

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Three, two, one. John Lennon's imagine is a monstrosity. It's a moral, musical monstrosity. It's so deeply immoral and deeply evil. And yet, it's put over this kind of pretentious, these long pretentious piano chords. Anybody who believes the crap in this song, anybody who believes the crap in this song,

you should never have any sort of conversation with them. It's a waste of your time. It's a waste of your brain power. That was my Ben Shapiro impression. I'm Adam from every new movie sucks, and this is Sardonic. Yes. Wow.

We might have to cut that down. Yeah, I'll take care. Hi, I'm Ralph from Ralph. We'll make her readers all over. And I'm Alex from Aitche. And I don't want to jump off the Ben Shapiro thing instantly. But there was something I have to shout out at the beginning

here before I forget. This Tuesday, I randomly got a text from my mother saying, we don't say sprinkles. It's hundreds and thousands. So it's... And I saw in the comments of that episode, people were pretty annoyed. Like, are you even British?

I don't know that sprinkles are hundreds of... I got to admit, I got to take the loss on that. Oh, my God. I didn't know. I don't think I've ever bought sprinkles. I don't think I've ever, like, searched for sprinkles, or... Even thought about it, to be honest. I do love the idea of you getting a text to enforce that you do not say sprinkles.

We don't say sprinkles in this house. We don't say sprinkles. It's hundreds of thousands. Is this a hundred. Yeah, hundreds and fat. Yeah, hundreds and thousands, full stop. And that was it. That was the full message.

Thanks, man. That's lovely. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. I had to, yeah, I had to equal things out there. But anyway, yeah, Ben Shapiro. Yeah. He's an art critic now.

I mean, the John Lennon's imagined take is pretty old. But, yeah, he's been talking about movies lately on his YouTube channel. He's also doing YouTube sponsorships for, like, wireless headphones and stuff. It's kind of interesting. He posted a new video very recently that I watched this morning. You should have had him as a guest. No. No.

Anyway, to summarize the video I watched, which was absolutely hilarious. It's titled something like popular Hollywood films that are secretly conservative or unintentionally conservative. And his argument was that basically every movie, is a conservative movie because the characters are rewarded through virtue and virtue is inherently a conservative principle so like being like it's

literally you can't be virtuous without being conservative that's his argument he says that a quiet place is pro life because it's the moral of the story is that you should have a baby even even if there are good reasons not to he says that soul is pro life

because the souls exist before birth He says, arrival is pro-life. He says, the Florida project is about family values and the fallout of not having a good father figure in the home. And my favorite part of the video. Oh, my God. Is when he said, we're talking about movies here. And if you want to watch movies with the best sound possible, here's what you need.

Raycons. And then he goes into his sponsorship. It was so fucking funny. I burst out laughing today. It was awesome. That's great. Oh, man. Art critic, Ben Shapiro.

Yeah, but it's like very serious And then he goes into Like a sponsorship I don't know how much he believes the words that he says But yeah, to some degree it's serious I like craft on a bunch of Bruce Willis movies And then I sponsored like Ridge Wallets But that's different

Like Bruce Willis movies suck I would argue Bruce Willis movies Better fit the point that he was making Right? If you wanted to say like Here's some conservative movies That you should watch that are family values like just throw in some fucking Bruce Willis movies.

What was that Eli Roth one? Well, like Clint Eastwood movies. Yeah. Clint Eastwood movies are like blatantly conservative. Hacksaw Ridge. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, so I don't know why he has to overanalyze those.

It's a bit overanalyzing. Well, his point is, he's trying to say that Hollywood is extremely liberal and he's projecting saying that Hollywood only watches and appreciates and enjoys films. based on their political leanings, which, I mean, obviously there's people in Hollywood that do that, but basically he's trying to say that it's hypocritical for movies to get Oscars if they're conservative or something. So he needs to pick out ones where it's like,

oh, I know liberals love this movie, which is weird because a quiet place was his first one, but I don't know, that's not like... Alex, what are your thoughts on this? What do you think of this madness? As you said, like, I just, I don't even know, as Adam said, like, what he actually believes

that comes out of his mouth, it seems like he's made a brand out of the controversial like mouthpiece kind of takes that he has. Yeah. And everyone keeps talking about him and he's, you know,

it's pretty popular in everything. So what he's doing is working for him. He's like, really come to the conclusion, obviously, and he's just like scouring movies for any, like, vague imagery or ideas that he can just assign to his political agenda

or whatever that's bizarre way. bizarre way to, like, assess art in any way. It's, uh, he's the new Armand White. He should, he should, uh, become verified on Rotten Tomatoes or something. He should be a verified critic. He's got the right poll. Yeah. He's got enough of an audience.

I'm just not sure what to say about it because it's just so, so stupid. Right? It is kind of funny. He's memed hard to. Oh, yeah. Like the Ben Shapiro meme. I mean, you can't escape it. Oh, yeah.

When you started playing that voice at the beginning of the episode, I sent chills down my spine. He's got one of those kind of characters. Got a wet-ass P-word. He's a meme machine. Whoa, voice crack. He's a meme machine in ways that he doesn't try to be. But he made a film recently,

but he didn't direct it. I guess it's just producing. by the Daily Wire. I think he is by name, like executive producer, I think. I saw an IMDB in the credits. Okay, he executive produced a film

called Run, Hide, Fight, which... This is a bad title, I'm sorry. Sequels to Live Die, Repeat. Yeah, that's what it sounds like, live, die, repeat, which was the second title. So when I was trying to find this movie before it was, like, officially released sort of thing,

and there was just, like, a premiere on, the Dailywire.com or something. So I was looking off of YouTube and other places, off of iTunes, all that stuff. And so when I was searching into Google Run Hide Fight, I actually found what was it, the FBI? I think the FBI's

website, there was like a training video called Run Hide Fight, and it was basically this modern YouTube video that was unlisted but accessible on their website being like, oh, here's what you do if you're in the middle of a shooting, if you're just having drinks with your friends,

They go through the whole run-hide fight thing It's not even like it's not even really like a bad You know PSA I guess You know there's some useful stuff in there So I'm assuming that's what they base the title off of is the FBI Video even though that's not like super old But like it would be weird to to have that much of a coincidence you know Yeah I guess I didn't really consider the title

Like where it came from Yeah yeah I can't think of any other interpretation it's quite Simple, isn't it? Alex and I watched this film. Ralph did not. He had better judgment. You missed out on the best comedy of 2020, though, Ralph. Oh, yeah?

You liked it, Alex? It got poor reviews. Absolutely adored it. Yeah? Okay, great. Oh, yeah. No, no. Yeah, I mean, it's like a pro-gun school shooter movie.

yeah you know it kind of that's it like it ends there almost it wasn't until 20 minutes in where it really kind of reached its peak hilarity and badness to me they have like a squad of school shoots at like spoilers I guess

oh yeah well we're spoiling the whole thing it doesn't matter yeah so it's aside from being like insanely predictable for the first 20 minutes where like the main character goes hunting with their dad and they're like showing off their rifles and everything. And I was like fine with the first like quarter of an hour. Then the school shooting like just comes in out of nowhere.

They like crash through the wall of the school in a white van. Drive through the wall. It was pretty funny. And then a Heath Ledger cosplayer comes out and starts doing his best Joker impression. Some of the most like embarrassing dialogue. For those of us just joining us, this is a school. shooting, this kind of shit. Yeah. You created me. You're really

pissed on my cornflakes. Just weird dialogue and stuff coming from a character of this ilk. The performances are awful. Just the way the movie flows and the way it all comes together. It's so like just shocking, for shocking sake.

It's graphically violenter points. I just, I kept thinking about and you'll know what I'm talking about Adam. You know, in season two of 13 reasons why. They nearly almost do a school shooting. They nearly almost do it in season four, too. There's two almost school shootings in that show.

Yeah, I feel like this is about as good as a 13 reasons why episode would be on the topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quality level, it's there. Yeah, it had some just really bizarre choices. Some, like, kind of well-known actors are in there. Thomas Jane shows up. He played like the Punisher, Rada Mitchell. Oh, yeah.

Discount Naomi Watts. Yeah. Yeah. Her in particular, Rada Mitchell, she plays a ghost in the movie. Oh, yeah. Cancer mom. And to make her warm and loving, they give her like a, she's always got a mug in every scene.

Oh, yeah. She's sipping her tea. Which I found, yeah, which I found a bizarre choice because in these intense situations where she's showing up. I just felt like that was so distracting when she was holding that mug. Her presence alone was pretty distracting. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, that was enough. Another thing, 13 reasons why I actually did a fair amount, but yeah, it's just an awful, awful egregious movie. But I did find it funny because it was just so poorly acted, so

so obvious, just like everything about it like you know before you've even seen it. You know, if you see the trailer, you can figure out where this is going. I mean, within that first 20 minutes where they're doing like the hunting thing, like I just said to myself,

oh, so she's going to like do the same thing, the school shoots her and save the day. It's just, it's like crass and tasteless to me. It's like time and place, you know, for these like weird arguments you're trying to make like a pro gun school shooter movie. Like, it's an incredibly sensitive topic. I mean, are you just trying to annoy people?

and divide people and yeah it is I was yeah it's just very frustrating sorry from that angle yeah no please continue on here your thoughts I was actually surprised that it wasn't more blatant and obvious because what I was expecting from the film with the Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro being attached to it I was expecting a bit more I guess obvious and blatant messaging politically and it was there for sure it was only in a couple lines did they say did they say it very clearly I think there was a Mr. Joker man was like oh what is the security guard going to do

he's not even allowed to carry a gun sort of thing you know like it was in those moments where it became like pretty obvious yeah and like the security guys like pisses himself and cries and stuff yeah so I'm reading about this right now it's it I don't know if even even if Ben Shapiro was executive producer, it might have been that they, like, bought the film, like, it was pitched to them or something. Like, I don't know. But there's a lot of crew members, apparently, that expressed their frustration after the fact, asking if there was a way to remove your name from a crew list because they didn't want their name on the project with Ben Shapiro and Daily Wire. And if they had known, they wouldn't have worked on it. Yeah, that's the film's second AD said that. Okay. Yeah, it's, to me, I, I was expecting more of kind of like a lull cow kind of politics

thing, what I got from it was just kind of a bad movie. It was like, politics aside, it's just not a very well-made movie. It's like you said, very predictable. The school shooter characters whenever they were shown on screen

are just so difficult to take seriously. So embarrassing. They're so awkward. They look like they've never held a gun in their lives. They're like, it doesn't seem threatening. It's like, it looks. It looks like they're not given any direction and they don't know what to do. They're all kind of doing their own thing and it was really weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's a lot of horrendous dialogue, especially near the beginning when they're like starting everything. It's just like, oh, God. These characters do not talk like people, let alone high school students, you know? They don't talk like human beings. Yeah, that was a good point. Yeah, they all looked like in their 20s. No one even remotely looked appropriate. Yeah, it was that.

Why is my voice dying? Oh, probably because I was yelling at a stupid video game yesterday. Called the medium. It was bad. Yeah, very boring shot composition, lots of forced fake drama between characters. I want to get back to the ghost mom because, like, what they did with her character was so fucking bizarre. She said that she becomes healthier in the afterlife if the daughter character does all the good things. Virtuously for the school shooting so because she didn't run away even though the first word is run so it's like run

Okay, I want to put this into perspective the FBI training video said that those are your three options in order if running is not possible Then you hide if hiding is not possible then you fight right that's what the FBI training video was saying and yet in the film She's able to run away and decides like no this is America and goes back and And ghost mom's like, well, now that you're saving the day, my cancer is becoming non-existent as I'm a ghost. And so, like, every time she sees her mom as a ghost, she starts removing all of her, like, cancer makeup. Like, she grows her hair again.

She's not, like, in a hospital gown or something. I don't remember. But, yeah, she, like... That's right. Yeah. She was bald at the beginning and then looks healthier and grows her hair out as a ghost by the last time we see her in the film. And it's just such a goofy concept.

Especially given that those scenes are like some of the more serious ones to take. Like, it's not done as a joke. As a joke, it would be awesome. I would love that in a joke movie. Yeah, yeah. But it's not. And that's what's really weird about it. It can't really decide what it wants to be.

Oh, man, I just wrote, I noticed in my notes, they, uh, they played patriotic music as she turned around and decided to go back to the school. I remember that. Yeah. I mean, the basic plot is just, is diehard, but set in a school. And it's kind of presented in a similar way. It's really strange in that way. Like the, the shooters got like his henchmen and stuff.

Yeah. They don't feel like students coming in. It's very, it's very diehardy. So then the main character, like, sneaking in and then taking out the bad guys. Like, that works for a film like Die Hard, you know, it's a campy action movie. You know simple rules simple stakes like yeah It's different when you apply it to something like this because school shooting movies already Are quite quite difficult to get right they're quite controversial things just these shooter movies

Yeah like Paul Greengrass didn't that wasn't even a school but like yeah any kind of tragedy Movie like I would I would just say most directors shouldn't touch it I've never heard of this fucking guy before like yeah this is an action movie elephant was like a real film Elephant was awesome Yeah Yeah or like Polytechniques all right

The Dirties Yeah the dirties Yeah they Those movies in comparison That they kind of They have a clear vision Of what they're going for Whereas when you are throwing in

Like this Daiha kind of plot At the same time as having these kind of ghost elements And it's just like a lot of confusing stuff And the Just the decision the setting is just so It's so tone deaf to me. Like, what statement are you trying to make by selling it there? It just, yeah, really, you're kind of shocking.

It's topical. It's a movie for Americans is what it is. Maybe that's why I didn't get it. If you're going to have a shooting, it might as well be in a school. Or just, I guess, shooting movies in general, if we're going to be honest. But, like, they don't really expand on the school shooters motivations too much. It's very just like, oh, wait, that you just said it, like, and that's your whole thing. Oh, yeah.

The one kid was bullied and they made fun of him for his pants were down at some point and then she convinces him to join her side by saying you'll be extra embarrassed when you die because that's all they're going to remember you for is having your pants down.

So she like basically uses like she becomes like a bully to persuade him. It's really weird. It's very bizarre what they kind of suggest is the correct approach

to take in this film it's what what really bugs me about this is like you look at Ben Shapiro's YouTube channel and he's released videos at this point

I don't remember exactly which one it's within but he's released a few videos on the run hide fight thing some complaining about the rotten tomato score et cetera

but there was one where within the video he had on some sort of like I don't know FBI expert or some some some there was some credential attached to it.

And he brought him on to his YouTube show to say run hide fight is like exactly accurate to like what should be happening in a school shooting or like, you know, he was basically trying to legitimize it in a practical real life way without the, the lens of like this is just purely entertainment, right? And that's what kind of bugs me about it because there's so many things about the movie that are just like, A, stupid to do and be, unrealism. Like she gives one of the shooters a gun She gives one of the shoot she she thinks I mean she does in the movie because the movie's stupid

She persuades him to join his side and unties him and gives him a gun You shouldn't do that in real life Ben Right like so don't don't pretend like this movie is like oh yeah like this this is like what you should be doing in a school shooting But yeah like he brought this guy on a show to say like just how realistic it is and there's so many things about the movie where it's just like this is not like This is this is nothing like a modern American situation. Basically, sorry, Ralph, I need to explain this to you.

The shooting itself is so fucking drawn out because only the kids in the cafeteria know that it's happening for like the first half hour plus of the film. And so they try to do like a lockdown but the person

the secretary at the front desk or whatever is like oh, I guess we don't really know there's a school shooting so I'm not going to do it. even though she, like, got a phone call or something. And so, like, that's one of the, like, messages they're trying to send. But, like, even after there's, like, an alarm that rings and the students are, like, getting out of class, then it's, like, oh, false alarm and they're all put back.

I'm sorry, there are kids that would be communicating with each other with their cell phones. Like, they have cell phones. They would be texting, like, the kids in the classes, A, like, wouldn't be not on the. their phones, B, like, would get a message from somebody, like, there are kids inside the cafeteria live streaming it. And so to imply that, like, all these kids just wouldn't know that this was taking place this entire time, even after they've left the class and the first thing they would do would be to check their phone.

Like, and then they just go back in. It's like, well, guess there's no school shooting. It's like, what? None of this is realistic. That's, see, to try and attach this to, like, a real life scenario is just fucking ridiculous. Yeah, to enforce what you're just saying, there's a point where she, she's like in the outskirts of the school trying to warn people about going in

covered in blood like screaming and they like don't believe her and it's like what is going on in this universe you're creating like it like there are guns being fired people being slaughtered or the life streaming like yeah it just made no sense in the way all that like should go down it is a batman movie it's genuinely a batman movie if you make the main character like bat girl and then the main guy is the joker like that it is it's like a comic but within They should have done. Yeah, it would have been a better movie. It would have been tonally more.

The only American here fucking didn't even watch a movie. It just looked like trash. You betrayed your country, Ralph. Yeah, it just looked like shit. The main school shooter guy comes out of his, like, van with his girlfriend and, like, snogs her and stuff. It's like, what? Yeah, loads of school shooters, like, come in with their girlfriends and, like, they're... Like, what are you talking about with this?

Yeah, they're, like, a coordinated group. group that like one of their motivations was just I got bullied in the sixth grade but they're like and they wanted all the attention like the media attention like there was some master plan or some shit it was so weird and then by the end of the movie the main school shooter escapes somehow and then he left like a wallet and passport like a bunch of money and a passport like in a box in the trees like 40 feet away from the school and goes towards it and no one. Nobody else notices him going there except the main character who borrows her dad's rifle. It's like, I need this now.

And then kills him and doesn't ask for any police help, which I mean like, Ben, are you saying that that's what you should do in a situation like that? Fucking vigilante your own way there without any help from law enforcement? You want to defund the police or some shit, Ben? What are you talking about? Anyway, yeah, it's so bizarre. So bizarre. Yeah, it's a classic Joker plan. It's like, okay, now we're ready for phase B.

It's like, what are you talking about? It's really embarrassing. I like when there was like a balloon room and she'd like jumped on the shooter from like the ceiling. That's right. Like from nowhere. Yeah, because I'd written down on my notes, balloon stealth. And I was trying to remember what that meant.

Because it's been like a week since I've seen the movie. Yeah, that's right. There's all sorts to remember with this. But it is just It's a superhero movie A superhero movie is trapped in a A school shooting Daily Why I present it

It is just like a bunch of random Like sentences It just sounds like nonsense Trying to describe it A Joker plan Yeah Two school buses Both have a detonator for the other bus

It's like some nonsense like that Yeah Except it doesn't go that far It's like really held back It's just, it's a really small scale, like, lowish budget probably. I don't know how much the budget was. Probably under 10 million. I don't know what we're going to consider to be a low budget.

You'd imagine. It might be like $5 million or less. I don't know. Maybe they just wanted to make an entertaining movie. Although you mentioned the FBI guy talking about how realistic it is. But it's just like, yeah, I don't want this movie to be boring. It's got to have a bunch of awesome scenes of like shooting. and like they make it like an action movie which is you know that's like what michael bay did with

pearl harbor this made it like dumb yeah i'm not convinced that like the director made this film for the same reasons that ben Shapiro is promoting it i'm not convinced that the director made it yeah i don't even know if he's seen it ben Shapiro what else is this guy made this run high fight yeah kyle something let's see i couldn't find the budget but car rankin yeah Nothing I've heard of. The Witch Files, infestation, a bunch of like... Exactly, right? The genre stuff.

Yeah, and that really shows, like, the genre stuff. It's, like, directed that way. Really not a competent film, regardless of political leanings, but I know that Ben Shapiro doesn't understand what that means. So he thinks that everybody that dislikes the movie is disliking it because it's, like, inherently conservative, which is very strange, because now he's making arguments that every movie is inherently conservative, so.

It's just bad press. It just adds to the crap. Yeah. He also meant he could like militarize his fan base and get them to like rate it highly on social media. Yeah, an upvote to give it 10 out of 10. Desperate.

Yeah, you will notice a lot of 10 out of 10 ratings on IMDB. like a supreme amount of votes that showed up around the time when Ben Shapiro was promoting the film on his channel and now the overall user rating is slowly going down suspicious 35% 10 out 10. He was using his platform to promote the movie basically. Yeah, yeah.

Which you're allowed to do. A movie that no one would have really seen or talked about otherwise. That Arctic movie, Joe Power post. to the trailer. It was like, of course, you made the movie. Joe Penna? Is that his name? Or Joe Perra?

Penna? I think it's with an N. Let's check it out. Yeah, I said Penna, right? I thought you said Perra. Never mind. Sorry, just continue. Whatever it is.

I can say both. Joe Penna. The editor will fix that. Mystery guitar man. Whatever we're saying. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that doing that. Yeah, it's, uh, just make, make more fucking competent movies. I don't care if it's conservative.

for whatever, like, I really don't. If fucking the Florida project and, and arrival are conservative movies, according to Ben Shapiro, then, fuck it, like, you know? There's nothing wrong at that. Yeah, it's just, conceptually just a bad movie,

just a bad idea. Should just never have gone beyond any kind of pitch. Poorly presented. Mm-hmm. It just so like, I don't know It takes itself too seriously Execution's bad It's not a good action movie

Yeah, that too Yeah Yeah, no, that's probably the biggest thing Like the eternal thing Like you have such a serious subject And then they come out with these like Action movie quips While they're like

finishing people off At point blank range It's just something very Very strange about it Because of that subject matter It just doesn't work Yeah, I think it's also like it might be kind of like a

and this isn't inherently conservative or anything but it might be just one of those fantasy things. I think a lot of people like to imagine themselves in situations of shootings or terrorist attacks and like project themselves onto this like imaginary idea of like I would go back and save

the day and like you know I think this movie is essentially just that little fantasy oh yeah exactly diehard is a perfect example of that but it's like a good movie at the same time, right? Whereas this is just purely the fantasy with no good movie elements in there. Like just terrible dialogue, not very well filmed at all.

Really distracting. Terrible acting. Yeah. Yeah, acting's not great. But we should give the school shooter a nomination so he can be the third Joker to win. He's probably got like a whole tumbler or something dedicated to him. Maybe. I don't know. All right, what would you give this out of ten?

I probably give this a one star, maybe a half star, depending on my mood. The only thing that will prop it up is the humor factor that I did laugh a lot of times, more than a lot of comedies, to be honest, but it is just like a weird Batman plot shoved into a school shooting story. Politics aside, it is just a badly made movie. I really can't recommend or appreciate much about it. Yeah, one star. I'm giving this one a three out of ten. Wasn't as horrendous as it could have been, but still pretty bad.

Pretty funny. Pretty funny movie, not as funny as other bad movies you could watch. But there's still something there. Cancer Mom is pretty great. Yeah, some... It wasn't the most boring thing ever made. although it was pretty boring I suppose that's one thing I could give it

it was still boring just not the most boring it's almost two hours long they don't really do much it's just a lot of incompetent police officers standing outside a building and one girl running around and peeing themselves and yeah yeah

watch something else the most incompetent cops ever all right we got a little bit of movie news things that are happening in the movie world. One of these things that is happening

is Nolan's breaking up with Warner Brothers. They're done. Oh, no. Because the whole HBO Max thing. It's funny. So what are the exact details? He's just, he's not going to work with him again. Yeah, he's done.

They're toast. That's nuts. His idol, Kubrick, you know, worked with Warner Brothers, his whole career, basically. So, yeah, he's like, It was probably like very sad for him. But he's probably going to go to Sony now because, uh,

they, they like making movies and theaters. True. The Edgar Wright's movie, right? They shot it on film. Baby driver. Yeah, hopefully, uh, I don't know.

I mean, he's like, he's a huge name. Hopefully they give him a bit more control over the marketing because like, with fucking Villeneuve, the way they destroyed the marketing for Blade Runner 2049 just pisses me off. Voice cracks still. Yeah.

My voice is dying. I'm sorry, everybody. It's just going to happen today. I was yelling at the media. I think Nolan will be fine. Yeah, but it's... Hopefully. I was wondering what was going to happen after Tenet, because I obviously thought

the movie was great, but it didn't do that well for a lot of reasons. Yeah, what did you want them to do right now? It still did well in the China, but I don't know. I figured there would be a falling out because of that, because of the streaming. Maybe he just wants to do other things. I don't know. I don't think he's all for the streaming shit though. Yeah, I think he just wants to make movies and put him in theaters and IMAX.

He's going to have to keep fighting it. Yeah. They're doing, but I don't know. It's like streaming and theaters simultaneously. I would feel different about this if it was just streaming. But, like, they're not disallowing him to have them in theaters. They're literally just doing both at the same time. Nothing's stopping anybody from watching a new Christopher Nolan.

film in theaters if he had stayed on with HBO Warner Brothers, right? Yeah. Like there's nothing, they were doing it simultaneously. So I don't know. It has to be purely a money thing. But I don't know how many people would go out of their way to see a movie in theaters when they don't want to see a movie in theaters anyway, you know? Like, I don't know how big of a difference that's going to make financially, doing it

purely theaters versus both at the same time. during a pandemic. And HBO Warner Brothers said it was just for this year, too. Like, this wasn't, there was no indication that it would be also in 2022. They might be just testing out the market. I don't know. They want to see what happens. It's like, it's an experiment.

They're allowed to experiment and see what happens. But Christopher Nolan is like just completely divorced from them now. Well, because they're losing money. So they needed to make money somehow. Everybody's losing money right now. Yeah. Except AMC, back up, baby, buy the dips. That is not financial advice

Well, the theaters are losing money Sorry Yeah, especially when this episode would go Well, because that stock thing on Reddit Yeah, EMC and What's the other one? GameStop, yeah Yeah, GME That doesn't seem very secure

BB, I don't know I stay away from that shit Yeah, it sucks, about Tenet and all this He'll still make movies, they'll still be great, I really don't care He didn't even have anything slated for 2021 Like, they could be back to doing regular shit by the time he has a new movie anyway. Maybe. I mean, who knows?

He makes movies, like, really quick. He does actually. Every two years, there's a Nolan movie. Yeah, I guess he would have to sign a deal before. Right. He signs a deal fucking starts shooting, like, the second the movie comes out. Like, the last movie he made. It's crazy.

But, you know, they're always awesome. He develops them for a long time, I guess. Yeah. I mean, it's just... The purism thing I understand to a certain degree, like true film and the full experience, we all value that. Yeah. But like, yeah, you said it's in a pandemic. We still want to see your movies.

Like, it's fine. Why can you not just do this for like a couple years or something? It's truly out there circumstances no one was ready for. Yeah. It's in a pandemic and no one is restricting anyone from seeing the film in theaters. They're pushing it to theaters simultaneously. The option is still there and available. I don't see the huge deal.

It's really, it's weird. Christopher Nolan is a big baby. He calls HBO Max now. He says, worst streaming service. He sounds like fucking comic book guy. Yeah. Worst movie ever. It's so weird.

So bizarre. Terrible. I wish him well. Yeah. HBO Max, I just got it. They have tons of good movies on there. I would love for HBO Max to come to Canada. It seems like they have fucking moral oral in HD.

Xavier Renegated Angel in HD for the first time. Like tons of Adult Swim stuff. I want that same shit in Canada. Holy fuck. All the HBO shows on it? Yeah. Also like the Sopranos, the Wire. Sponsor us.

We're doing an ad for free right now. I'm pretty sure all the HBO shows are on it, yeah. Dude. I know, isn't it stupid? Yeah, bring it outside of America Yeah, I spend like 80 quid Like every few months on one of those big series Just so I can watch it

Yeah, damn sucks Now I have so many streaming services though Yeah, I gotta cut some out That's becoming its own problem Yeah, it is No, I'm not gonna peacock Who makes that one? It's the NBC

Because their logo is a peacock feathers Oh right, I guess we don't have that here So I guess they're gonna like take back the office and put it on their own. So it'll do well. The office is on there. Jurassic Park movies. Jurassic Park?

Oh, is NBC Universe? Oh, I guess they're the same. Universal. Yeah, anything universal. Yeah, it's already, piracy's going back up already. Like, there's no stuff like, no one's getting all this shit.

I want Netflix and HBO Max and maybe the Criterion Channel someday. Disney Plus is doing great. I don't want. hearing channel I want to go. Disney Plus is like, I've read recently that they have like a bunch of

adult titles from Fox and from like Touchstone and all that stuff where it's owned by Disney but they're not putting it on Disney Plus because Disney as a brand is supposed to remain child friendly which is funny because they have the Simpsons on there and there's some, I don't know, I guess Simpsons is child friendly now

but yeah they're going to basically have all the adult titles they're planning on doing it as like an add-on or like a separate service or some shit. Which just sounds awful. And I'm just morally opposed to the idea of giving Disney money for things, you know? Like, spending, like, a set amount of money every month for a service that I'm probably not going to be using except for, like, once every six months when I'm forced to watch, like, whatever new Pixar movie, you know?

Like, I just, I just see that as, like, a moral wrong. I could not stomach it. I could not live with myself if I did that. So, can't do it. What about like Amazon Prime? Oh yeah, well, I already have Prime. Did you see that one a moral wrong? Well, because I'm actually getting a service that I use out of it at least.

It's the free shipping, you know? Yeah, true. I don't give a shit. Like, I wouldn't have Amazon Prime for their movies if I didn't already have Amazon Prime for their shipping shit. There's enough movies to make it worth it, like worth having. I watch Ghani on there all the time. No matter what company you give your money to, you're committing an immoral act basically at this point. at this point in this year

Amazon is pretty bad but they have a very convenient service I'm able to get things from them at a quick time there's a pandemic I don't want to go outside to buy things Disney owns so much Disney owns like Coca-Cola even no way Disney doesn't own Coca-Cola

no they don't okay yeah what what exaggerating yeah it's just Disney is something where like, I don't think I would be using the service, really. Like, I can't imagine what I, I wouldn't, like, why would I pay for something I'm, like, barely ever going to use? Same reason why I wouldn't pay for, like, Apple TV Plus. It's like there's just not enough on there that I would, like, regularly use it. They have literally nothing. I don't want. I feel like I get my money's worth out of HBO Max more than anything else. There's more stuff on there that I feel like I'd be consistently watching. And then Netflix would be a close second probably. Yeah, agreed. But yeah, we can all hope that. Christopher Nolan signs a deal with Lionsgate or something

and then Lionsgate will get bought by Disney and his movies will premiere exclusively on Disney Plus. 20 years will probably have a Nolan Netflix movie so. Yeah, it's going to happen. He's trying to avoid it, but it's going to happen. Wouldn't that be crazy if he went

with Lionsgate? That would like save the fucking company. I don't think they have enough money. Exactly, I don't know. But like they're would want it. I mean, they all companies would want it, but it's like they need a new IP. They need something. Chaos Walking just isn't going to cut it.

Unless you buy the dips. Chaos Walking, to the moon. Yeah, all they have is they have John Wick and Saw. Yeah, and they're not using Saw. And also Tyler Perry movies, which might actually be enough to keep them going. Tyler Perry Lionsgate.

And also apparently the Rambo movies, I think. Hellboy. They killed the hellboy They killed it but he can come back Oh they murdered hellboy Yeah He can come back 10 years Guillermo please

We'll let you do the third one It seemed like it never happened That would be so smart But they're so stupid Why did they not Because they're stupid? What the smart thing would have been To let them do it

Yeah To begin with Instead of wasting all the money on that Other one they made Yeah Just don't get what they're thinking sometimes Even if they didn't break even on Hellboy 3, it would have been a better financial decision than the reboot.

Yeah. They should have green litter after that Oscary one. Yeah. The fish fuck movie. Exactly. Yeah, he had some buzz. He just won fucking best picture. The fish fuck movie.

That's the title, right? I think so. Well, actually, is it good. Shape of fish fucking. That's right. That's right. Yeah, the shape of fish fucking. Shape of water.

Waterter Other news We talked recently about Southland Tales can cut Well there's another cut of the movie that is being announced We're getting the Snyder cut of the Southland Tales Basically Richard Kelly is doing a six hours long

director's cut which I assume he would have to film a lot of shit for right Unless there's actually that much on the cutting room floor maybe he's just going to incorporate the comic book shit or like I don't know yeah no I bet you the first like two and a half hours is just like the rock voiceover reading the comics just like that shitty like motion graphics like comics yeah yeah that sounds awful so it would be a mini series basically I well I don't know this is very new uh information apparently it's going to be a six hour long cut that will tell the complete story yeah yeah i don't understand how that's possible because i actually read those comics and unless he's shot that stuff like where's you going to get the money to get this done like the rock's not going to come back for this what unless this is a bunch of like unused footage that's the only thing i could think of where's you going to get the money to do like uh all the i'm sure there's a bunch of cg like special effects like shots and stuff he'll add a bunch of characters i bet but

you've read the comics is it like were they written after they or during this? No, it's before watching it because I was so confused by the movie and then just research, oh, like the first, like, half of the story is in comic form. Okay, I was trying to remember.

Which just takes any punch out of the... Yeah, yeah. It's not a very good comic either, but... Yeah, we talked about this movie. It's fucking awful. It's probably one of the worst movies we talked about. It's fucking six hours long version. Yeah, that's one where, like,

I really... When movies have a rep, you know, when they're... They have, like, a fan base that just believes in it so deeply. I do want to try and give it a benefit of doubt, but with that one, I just... I can't with Southland Tales. I'm so sick of these cuts, the director's cuts.

Like, one or two, but there's like eight cuts of these movies. What's the... Is this the third cut of it now? Fourth cut? If they're doing the can cut, then this will probably be the third cut. Yeah. And apparently there's also a remake being made.

That was announced in April. When it came out The film was originally trimmed down Like 20 minutes were cut out I believe So I'm assuming the director's cut right now Or sorry the can cut is the original version Before it was cut down Yeah

And they just released that on Blu-ray I was under the impression The can cut was full of like Unfinished Special Effects and stuff though So unless you managed to get that finished I really I guess if people are clamoring for it He's delivering but it's not really

Where do you get the money for this though Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they can do it for Justice League. It's millions of dollars, though, to finish a movie like this. Yeah, I understand it for Justice League or like the extended midsummer or something, but this, I don't know. Very bizarre. He must just be making enough passive income off of Donnie Darko, or maybe there's just producers that really like him. I don't think the Southland Tales fan base is nearly as big as Donnie Darko.

Both are, like, kind of cult movies. No. They definitely have their own longevity. to them, but Southland Tales, like, way less popular and way less well received, for sure, than Doddy Darko. Are you going to watch it, though? The six-hour cut? I don't fucking know.

Like, what's coming out first? The prequel or the six-hour cut? Or maybe they're both the same thing now, because the prequel was announced in April. Maybe now he's just deciding to do the six-hour cut, so, like, the prequel's in the actual movie. And then, like, how to, I don't know. So what is this prequel thing? What do you mean?

They've announced like a movie prequel. April 2020 on screen rant.com, Southland Tales prequel will be hybrid animation and live action, says writer. Richard Kelly, director of the cult smash. Donnie Darko has revealed ambitious plans to shoot a prequel to as much derided, 2006 film Southland Tales. Sometimes I forget words, or I've never heard them. I'm stupid. All right Yeah

I don't know exactly what this is all about A lot of this is based off of his tweets But yeah normally that kind of story comes from some kind of Cult classic movie beyond A Southland Tales You know Yeah movie people care about Yeah

Apparently there's enough people to care about it Like I don't know if there are people clamoring This universe is not Like it's crap No one cares about it's not Star Wars You say no one, but there are people that actually care about it. No one cares. No, no, no. Like, people care about Marvel and Star Wars.

Like, that's a million-dollar franchises. No one cares about Southlandtales. And the universe and the comics, it's just like, just stop with this. How many movies are there? It's just one thing now. There's like three movies now. It's fucking crap. Confusing.

And it's confusing. I don't want to watch it once. Yeah. If you make something really confusing, then you'll get a certain chunk of people that will, you know, automatically assume that the film is smarter than them and not the other way around. And so those are dedicated fans. Pimps don't commit suicide.

Yeah. Yeah, the dialogue's terrible. It's not funny. If you make something convoluted enough. Do you think Dway Johnson likes the movie? Well, it's like the Neil Brain logic because, like, he's always able to tell himself, you just don't get it. Like, nobody understood my movie, so anybody who disliked it, it's because they didn't understand it, right?

So if you make something condolute enough. They're really funny and they're short Southlandtales would have been much better if it was shorter But the thing is way too long Oh yeah and they're solving that problem by making it longer Yeah That's the thing That will fix the movie

I don't even mind crap necessarily as long as it short What are the great ideas in Southland Tales though You know what like the fantastic scenes that are like Oh this was just It's all really It's just surface level We keep making fun of like bad movie posters I just searched up the poster

Jesus Christ. It looks fake. It's got like the rock, the Justin Timberlake. Double Shine, William. Buffy the Vampire. It looks like a fake movie. It's one of the worst movies the Rock has been in. That's really St.

It's really sane song. Yeah. It's very bad. Nervous Rock is awesome. We can leave Southland Hills there. Do we have anything else to say about Southland Tales? No, no, I guess not. I guess...

I'll consider watching it if it comes out. The full code. Yeah, six hours? Although my gut actually tells me this is never coming out. Oh, yeah. That's also a possibility. They probably won't, no. They probably won't have the money.

I'll never watch it anyway. It's way too long. Yeah. I'll watch it over the course of like a month, 20 minutes a day or something. Yeah, it's just the observations made in the... that film are just so surface level. And there's people that just keep telling me like, oh, you just don't get the movie. But I listen to the whole fucking director's commentary.

I listened to the director explaining the movie and I left with the same impressions. So that's why I believe what I believe is because I literally heard the director explaining the whole fucking movie. And it was just as stupid. I was like, yeah, this is about what I thought. It's just fucking dumb and terribly presented. All right. I guess it's time for the movie recommendation from Ralph.

Yeah, so I recommended a movie. We're going to say spoilers here. Spoilers. For a movie by Quentin Tarantinteenteen called... Torterlini. Jackie Brown. Yeah, Quentin Tortellini. Jackie Brown.

It's a really good movie. And it stars Pam Greer, Robert Forrester, Sam Jackson. And it's just like a little heist movie. It's like a money exchange and a mall. Very straightforward based on a book called Rum Punch. And I don't know. I thought this is, I think it's one of Tarantino's best movies, which is why I wanted to recommend it.

And it's very different for him because it's based on a book. It's not just something he wrote himself. He didn't build it from the ground up. He made the whole, he based on a book. And I think that made it, much more interesting and subtle than his usual fair um it's it's got a like following behind it that's different and they and they like the movie because of that um and it's it's very different from like i don't know uh what's another movie from him that's like really kill bill yeah

tons of shooting paul fickman killed like yeah literally any of them like you just name any other quentin tarentia movie yeah it's just tons of shooting tons of cursing like this definitely feels like a Tarantino movie. It's not boring at all. He's a lot of stylistic choices that feel like him. It's got the film look. It looks really great. The colors of everything essentially, basically. But it's

it has like a real drama and like groundedness to it where the characters actually feel like real people. And I think that gave it a unique quality to talk about it. What do you guys think? What do you think of?

I'd only seen this film once before because, you know, when you first start getting into Tarantino, you start going through all his movies one by one. And then you do get to Jackie Brown, and if you've been watching all those other movies, it does stand out. It's different. But on my first viewing, I didn't really get what he was going for. But I think he said himself that it's kind of in a movie almost designed around rewatching it and figuring out that different vibe it's going for.

because on this second viewing of it, I really enjoyed this movie. I really liked how it, it did feel like a progression of Tarantino where he was filtering the violence. It was a bit more laid back. It was about just the dialogue, that snappy dialogue he's known for,

but it's just in a different style. Like it, like it weirdly reminded me a bit of, another movie we talked about on Sardonnacast, a sexy beast. This idea of taking, like a standard thing, like a heist or a money exchange, or these crime elements, but showing it from a different perspective, a different angle,

and just fleshing it out in different ways that you wouldn't expect. And it is just really well thought out. The soundtrack's amazing. I think all the characters are really distinct. It doesn't fall into that problem some Tarantino movies have where everyone's so quippy and they're also smart and have that Tarantino-esque dialogue that they can all sort of blend together. I feel like every character is really distinct. I really like the journey of Jackie Brown herself.

I think she's an awesome character and just the progression of her character from the beginning and end with that opening shot and the ending shot with her in the car and just the subtle, the subtleness of it, as you said, Ralph. Yeah, the soundtrack. I really like the way this movie comes together

and the kind of subtle tension it builds too because by the time that would you describe as an action sequence that you kind of see from three different perspectives. I really like that sequence. It's kind of the payoff with the music and everything. Yeah, because I remember the first time I saw it, I was a bit like, what? But no, this time I really enjoyed it.

Yeah, it comes together really well, I thought. What's your experience, Sajun? I don't know. I think one of the reasons why that scene is confusing on a first watch is because it's unnecessarily convoluted. I saw your rating and I groaned. There's no good reason why it should be from three perspectives. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm glad you both love it.

things I love about the movie. There's things I absolutely love about the movie, too. But, like, why, there's no good reason why it's from three different perspectives at that point, because it's literally just, like, one after the other. It's not like it goes back to it after a while or anything. It's not like it couldn't have been shot in one perspective, and anything would have been lost from that. It's just unnecessarily convoluted. And the way that the entire plan is explained, too, is just like, it's not clear. Like, as you said, on a first watch, it's kind of confusing. And confusion aside like I don't know you can always just like read the Wikipedia plot summary if you're if you're having trouble figuring out what's going on confusion aside I'm just like super not invested in in what's going on or the characters

I like a lot of technical things about the movie but that alone isn't enough to like carry me through the entire experience and so I'm like this is this is my least favorite Tarantino movie I've this is the fifth time I've seen it, by the way. At least fifth. I'm 100% positive. I've seen it like at least five times. And every single fucking time I see this movie, it starts out and I'm like, oh, this is pretty, like, I like this, you know, the dynamic between Chris Tucker and Sam Jackson, the assassination shot at the beginning. I like that. There's, there's things I like about the movie. But then, like, I don't know, within half an hour of watching it, I forget everything that's happened, except for like the three times where people were shot in the movie, because it just doesn't

stick with me. It's just really fucking boring to me. Okay. I have a very different experience with it because I get into it right away Yeah. I think the characters are really I like the characters a lot They're obviously like they're criminals they're bad people, but there's more shades of grade of them than like the Tarantino Usual Tarantino's characters you have and like the dialogue is really good I think that's one of the strongest parts of the and yeah, I love I love the way everything's presented I guess we talk about the characters. Yeah, like you said Jackie Brown Alex, this fucking like, such an awesome character too. Like, like, it's, it is like a Tarantino character where you were like, man, she's fucking

badass. Like, no matter who you are, like, damn, this character's fucking cool. And it transcends like any kind of, like, bias or, or like, stereotype you would have that kind of character. And she is, like, beaten down from, like, kind of by the system or, like, society as kind of, if you want to be more blatant about it, you know, like, the police. are constantly on her ass. She has a really shitty job. She can't get past like her criminal background. And they make a reference of it too. She's an African American woman. She's a woman of

color. And she's discriminated against because of that reason too. And then there was that whole other layer upon the movie that I noticed this time. I'm like, wow, there's so much going on in this movie. There's subtly going on like in the subtext that I love a lot. And I didn't even pick up on first few viewings. But yeah, the speech she has where she's kind of explaining her motivations and she's saying how she just can't have her life be reset again. That totally sold me on her actions in the movie and her motivations and what was driving her. And this is like her getting back at them. Like she finally outsmarts them. Like Mike McKeating in that room like at the end when she like he can't figure out the fucking plan. He's like fuck. He's just like going back

and forth pounding the wall because you know she finally got them. It was like a very satisfying moment when she's sitting there. And again, the subtlety on her face. and just a shot of her like, you know, tearing up. I'm like, damn, this is fucking, this is a really powerful movie, even though it's not a lot of action. It's not a lot of crazy stuff going on. That bag exchange is, it's just a bag exchange and they walk out. Like Robert Forster just walks out of the mall and into his car,

and it's this really exciting moment because of the drama and because you really care about these characters where you at least understand the drama of the situation. and where they're coming from in it. You understand Robert Forster's character and that he's kind of in love with Jackie Brown and he's kind of beaten down by the system too. He's got a really shitty job.

He's like, no one gives a fuck about him. And like, I don't know. I found the characters to be really interesting and that's what kept me going through it. So I didn't have that same experience you did, Adam. I'm glad you didn't. I'm glad you enjoy it. No, I do love the cast.

unique set of characters just like Robert De Niro with his weird introverted kind of yeah De Niro he's like a bank robber he's so interesting in this because he's not like the usual he's a big rubber not like heat though he's like he's like stoned half the movie he's just like yeah he's stoned half the movie he's just hanging out he's like dense with someone else's girl yeah and he just the way his character comes to a head I really enjoy and then he turns into like this this barterer like and even the movie acknowledges like holy fuck don't you think that was a little too far like did you have to shoot her you couldn't slap her yeah like yeah that's a good scene yeah it was a good scene yeah it's very memorable yeah i think it was good

with those kind of more villainous characters like sam jackson's character the moment i kind of really fell for for his character was when he goes and picks up the the old money runner and puts him in he convinces him to get into the trunk and then just drives him around the corner and just finishes him off and it's all in one shot. And it really sets the stage and the stakes and, you know, what the main kind of plot is going to be at that point. And you see what he's capable of. Yeah, he's really scary.

Yeah, he's just willing to do anything just to keep his business going. It's just one of those classic setups. And then when he, uh, the scene at the end when Sam Jackson shoots De Niro up too, like it's like in broad daylight. Yeah. It adds like a layer of ten. to it too for me. He's like, Sam Jackson will go anywhere, do anything. You know, he'll do

whatever he wants. Like, in broad daylight, he'll just shoot a guy and he'll get away with it because he's, you know, he's just that good of a criminal. It makes me really fear for, like, Jackie Brown and, like, it added stakes to the story, I thought. Yeah. And he's always, like, busting everyone's balls, like, just chipping at people. Ordel's his name, right? I really like that character. And his girlfriend, too, I wish, you know, she's not a major character in it, but she felt the most like the Tarantino surrogate. She just kind of watched movies all day, got high, she didn't know what the

fuck she was doing, like, what the part of the plan was. I like that character too. Uh-huh. Oh, what I was going to say before, Alex, building on what you said, Tarantino, he makes like a small cameo in the movie. It's like the voice on the phone. Like, you have one message, and that's

it. But, like, he doesn't like distract the movie at all with his acting, and that was much appreciated. Yeah, no, cringe came. Yeah, I think he his performances for the most part kind of take away from the movie movies he's in. You guys are going to disagree with me hard on this. I think Sam Jackson sucked in this movie.

I think Sam Jackson was like actually bad in this movie. Oh really? Not only like the the hair piece stuff was like a bit distracting too, but like his performance was like bad. I like it was so weird because like in any given scene it seemed like he didn't know what his character should be. It felt like very inconsistent from scene to scene. And I don't usually have this problem with him at all, even though like there's plenty of movies where it's like, oh, he's just being Sam Jackson. And this one, he just like, he didn't work very well. And there

were just like quite a few lines of dialogue that were just delivered so awkwardly. And it was really, it's not something that I've pointed out and felt strongly before this time watching it, but just like going through and taking notes. I'm like, holy shit. You know, halfway through the movie, I was like, Sam Jackson. actually fucking sucks in this movie Yeah What's like a line you thought One of the lines I wrote down is

See I get high later on at night When I'm through with my business But I couldn't even I couldn't even give you An impression of that Because just like There's just so Like it's such a long movie

That it's just like it's so forgettable I don't remember the context of that He was complaining about Weed Girl basically I actually like that a moment Because there's like the scene of Chris Tucker And he's just trying to get Chris Tucker in the car Like he's just he's basically a sociopath

Like he's just trying to get him in the car So he can murder him And I always took his characters Like he's always lying to people And he's always playing up He's certain emotions Because he's really just selfish He's always looking out for himself

He just wants his fucking money Yeah I mean like that That interpretation can make it a bit more forgivable If you're going with you know Just like everything about him's fake right Yeah I mean I could watch the movie again I'm sure

It depends on the context of the scene Yeah, if it's a scene where he's trying to be genuine and he's like a shitty line. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. It just seems like a really not thought out character in terms of how he's delivering his lines is the impression I got. Really? I don't know.

I really felt like I interpreted the opposite with him. I felt like he really kind of embodied the character. I think it was his idea to kind of with the costume and the hair and everything to look the way he did. And I felt like he really embodied it. I just think the dynamics you have with all the different characters was so interesting and seeing the different ways he'd react based on like who he was talking to and how he was always kind of chipping at people, putting them down.

Like that weed line you said he didn't like. There's another moment, I think, in that very scene where he's, he tells, um, uh, Bridget Fonda to like, don't get crazy with the weeks or, like, rob you of your ambition and stuff. There's loads of really good lines in the movie and I felt like he had a lot of them because he's kind of like a smart talking. He believes he's better than everyone in the room sort of thing. And he kind of over-exaggerates, as you were saying. So I thought there was a fair amount of depth to his character, actually,

and just he was quite unpredictable too. But you don't expect him to just whip out the gun and kill De Niro at the end. He is unpredictable and scary and plays that villainous role against Jackie Brown really well, I thought. It was a good driving force to actually encourage her to go through with this crazy plan of hers. You need someone mental to attention to the story. You don't feel bad for. This is a seat where Ordel comes into Jackie Brown's apartment and Jackie Brad turns on him with a gun. And I thought that was great.

Like Jackie Brad is that afraid of him at all. It was like a great, what did you guys think of the split screen? Because that's a huge moment in the film and that whole scene in general. Yeah. when it shows that Jackie took the gun out of Robert Forrester's car, what is it, the passenger's side, like glove compartment. I think I liked that one. There was another moment that was an unnecessary flashback thing that I didn't like. But that one I think was...

Yeah, I remember noticing that. Yeah, because that felt like Tarantino, too. Like, the style of it was, it definitely felt like a Tarantino movie, even though it feels much more grounded than the usual stuff he does. Yeah. That stylistic choice, like the ending where it shows the different perspectives on the... the same robbery or like the flashback like I thought all those things were appropriate because it's just that's like his flavor adding it to the story it would be really out of place in his filmography I think the the gun one was stylistic and worked fine in my opinion there was a

weird flashback I think in the middle of it's not like entirely necessary in the middle of the I think they were in the cafeteria or something but there was like a weird flashback like well through the movie where it's like it's like entirely necessary. like, I can't do it without you, Max. And it's like, why, why did that need to be there? Like, that was so weird. But yeah, that's, I'm not behind,

I'm not behind the, uh, three different perspectives of the same buying the suit thing, you know? Especially because, like, the more times you play it, the more just like, doesn't make sense how the cops didn't figure anything out, you know? Because like, they, the cops criticized her for having enough time to go. go and pay for the clothes. So clearly they either have like some sort of record of her doing that or they talk to the cashier. And if they talk to the cashier who is apparently so attentive that she's like, yeah,

the dressing room's closed without even looking backwards. Like that's how attentive she is. If they talk to the cashier and asked like, oh, did somebody break into the dressing room and run away with something? Was there a chase? Like she would have said no, right? So it just seems like kind of contradictory. Yeah, that part. Okay. But like, I also read on, I think it was on Wikipedia that like this film is also kind of trying to be like homagey to like black exploitation films that also had Pam Greer in them.

Which I would not be familiar with because I haven't seen those. Yes, definitely. There's a lot of stylists. Like the fades kind of reminded me of that too. There were a lot of things in the movie. Just the music and the tone especially. The look of it too, the color. There's like the scene in the bar.

bright red, like, it's so bright, you can't even make any details in the face. Yeah. The very colorful palette of the movie, saturated, I mean. It's well shot. Yeah, it looks 70s. True. Even though it's set in the 90s. Yeah.

But what's weird about it is, like, in the catalog of Quentin Tarantino films, like, you could make the argument that, like, Pulp Fiction also kind of looks like pretty 70s, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah, true, it does. Like, his filming style, especially in that generation of his films, kind of just looked like that anyway. So it's weird to like pick this one out.

I guess they're all kind of like homage movies, but it's weird to pick this one out as being like, I don't know, like a specific homage if that's what it's going for. And I don't even know how far it is going for that. Like if I'm supposed to be like, okay, the logic to the whole conclusion doesn't matter because it's supposed to be a black exploitation homage or something.

Like I don't know how much that's supposed to be, especially, I don't know, it's like based off a book, right? So I don't know. that was trying to be an homage to black exploitation films probably not, right? I don't think he was trying to make a black exploitation film. I think it's just he loves Pam Greer and Foxy Brown and Bucktown and that stuff and using the like text font and everything.

It's like a stylistic kind of choice and the music works so well. I love the music integration and the dietic nature. That's the movie a lot, I feel, all that stuff. Man, I love the music in the film, but I don't love how frequently the same songs are played over and over and over. That's something that really bothers me. There's like two different songs. One of them is played like at least four times

and the other one's played like three times in the movie and it's just every time it starts playing again, either of those two songs, it's just like, oh man. I wish it was like a new song but it wasn't. And it just gets more annoying every time. The Bobby Womack one. Oh, I don't know who wrote these songs. It was the first one of them the first time it was played.

Oh no, not. the one she was singing in the car at the end. Like, that one was fine. And that's like a, if that's what you're talking about. That's more of like a reincorporation sort of thing. Yeah, because I love that one. The 110th Street. It might have been a part of the score or it might have just been some other song that was licensed from Quentin Tarantino that he liked.

But it was first played in the courtroom scene. And it's got this like weird, goofy-ass tone to it. And it was annoying the first time. I actually didn't like it the first time. But they played it like three or four times in the film, and each time is just not enjoying it and wishing that they had a bit more variety. But who knows? I don't know. Maybe it's a part of the homage that it's maybe trying to be according to somebody on Wikipedia, I guess.

I don't know. Otherwise, I like the music, but it's just playing the same song fucking four times. I can't. I'm wondering if in the book, the structure of that kind of three. different perspective sequence is similar because I read he was quite, he wanted to be quite accurate to the book. So I wouldn't be surprised if it was, if it was written or structured that way in the book.

And that was his main motivation for that. That would explain a lot because, I mean, if you did that in a book, there would probably be a bit more, even if it was covering the same amount of time, it would take longer to get through the book. You'd be able to explain more about what's going on inside characters' heads and details about the scene.

so that when it kept going back to it. And you could even justify it by being like, okay, new chapter, new chapter, new chapter, new chapter. And that would all fit really well if that's what happened in the book. But in the film, it's just like immediately after the scene, you just see the same scene again from a different perspective. And it's just like, it doesn't really, there's nothing that really justifies why certain bits of information were withheld

the first time you saw it. Like it wouldn't, it wouldn't ruin the scene or make it all that different if you knew that the other characters were there too and what they were doing at that moment. But I do, I do very much like at least this is one justification, I guess. I do like how we only saw weed girls' feet with the, her putting the bag through. I like that as like a restrained kind of like interesting choice, you know, something you might see in like, I don't know, Steve McQueen movie or somebody trying to do something like

a bit different. I liked that, but then, I don't know. It just felt very incredibly convoluted over the course of the scene when it really just didn't need to be by the time it got to like the third perspective of just the same thing, basically. So I didn't feel the disconnect there. I thought it flowed pretty well because the movie split into these kind of groups of characters already. So seeing it broken up into like Pam Brea's segment and Robert Forster's segment,

the Robert De Niro's segment, I thought that made sense to me because those are kind of the three different perspectives of the movie. So seeing it from their side kind of made sense in my mind. That's true. That's true. Bother me. You follow it from like Ordel, Robert Forrester, and like Jackie Brown. I think those are like the three. Because like the first part

of the movie, you don't see Jackie Brown at all really. You see her for the opening credits and then it's focused on Ordel for like 15 minutes or 10 minutes or however long. I like that choice. And it made it feel much more like it's a character piece. It's not just about this one person.

and that kind of goes along with the rest of his movies too. I'm not inherently against the choice in of itself. I actually, now that I think about it, I probably would have enjoyed the movie a lot more if the film was just structured and reorganized. Like, if it were even more non-chronological, I probably would have enjoyed it more. Because then it would have felt as though

the three perspectives thing was a bit more justified. If let's say we saw her perspective, like a third through the movie, and then the second perspective, two-thirds through the movie. movie and then closer to the end the third perspective, right? Like, that would have made a lot more sense structure-wise to me. My problem isn't necessarily just like, oh, there's three perspectives in the film,

and that's not a good thing. It's just that it's right after each other, and it feels like it's stagnant. Like, the movie isn't really progressing anymore because we're seeing the same thing over and over again, and each new time we see something. The important parts of the perspectives aren't during that moment when the transaction is happening. Those aren't the parts that are interesting. The interesting parts are like, okay, when he goes outside and fucking shoots her. Like, that's fun, right? But that's not, that has nothing to do with the three perspective change. Like, if you had one perspective, you still could

have shown that happening immediately after just by, you know, changing which character is being focused on. There's no- Well, the scene where they established that Jackie Brown, like, took the car out of Robert Forst's car. They're switching the two different ways you see, like, the two different characters are seeing that scene. Robert Forrest. and her. So that adds something. The way she took what? When she takes the gun out of Robert Forrester's car and points it as Sam Jones said. No, yeah, I'm not talking about that.

And he like discovers that you see the two different points of view. But they establish right there that there's two different points of view of the story. And I think that adds a lot to the movie, that one instance of it. No, I was talking specifically about the money scene, the buying the suit thing. But I just think that's another point in the movie very early on where they established that same thing and the point of view. And I think it works really well. Yeah, I don't have an issue with that one. And again, it's not inherently that there are different perspectives.

It's just that it's three in a row right away. And not a whole lot gets added to those three perspectives. It's just the same scene happening three times. And taking its time when it's already two and a half hours long and really, really over-complicating a simple story that doesn't need to be over-complicated. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't quite feel the complication. I more felt the three sections being back to back actually added with the tension of it and how is this house going to go down?

What are the details of it? I know you said you weren't really interested in the exchange part of it, but I find that interesting. In and in itself, I find their plan and enacting the plan and the tension of trying to go through with what they were planning to do to be a hook in and of itself. So that kind of thing just did not bother me. Yeah, and the plan goes south pretty quick. It becomes a shit show pretty quick.

Yeah, it makes the build-up to win. Yeah, like when De Niro snaps. It's like a shocking moment, and he's got surprises in there. I haven't really mentioned Michael Keaton yet. Yeah. He's kind of funny. How do we feel of him in the movie? He's a dickhead.

Yeah, his character is fine. Him and his body. Well, they're like tertiary characters, I thought even just for that, they're pretty interesting. They were, like, really funny and, you know, I thought a lot of the movie was pretty funny. I wasn't upset with him in the movie. I don't think we've mentioned that. It was really hilarious at times.

The purple bag scene was really funny. Yeah, yeah. Purple in quotes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's such a small part of the movie. It's, like, just a tiny little line. I liked that, but, man, that's just, like, not what I think of when I think of the movie. There's a lot of good lines, though.

just like it could be in any movie, you know? I don't know. Remember that like this is just something that my core criticisms at its heart. It's just something that I don't connect with. And everything from that point is literally just a byproduct of me not caring about the characters or what they're doing. I just don't connect to what's happening story-wise. And because of that, I'm forced to, especially now that I'm talking about it on a podcast, I'm forced to go through the movie and actually write notes about how I feel about specific things,

which is why on previous, my previous four watches, I didn't really, you know, care about Sam Jackson. I didn't really think about it. I was just bored and, you know, like, checked out. But now it's like, I'm forced to go through and be like, okay, what do I not care about in this movie? And so everything's kind of just like highlighted to that degree. Keep that in mind. It's not like, it's not like I actively hate this movie. It's just that, you know, I'm forced to justify why it means nothing to me and why I forget about it 20 minutes after I watch it every single time after the, you know, I've already watched it like five times. And I couldn't remember anything. And I'm watching through the movie.

I'm like, oh, yeah, Chris Tucker's in it again. You know, like all these things about it. I'm like, oh, yeah, there's this scene. Like, it's coming back to me like a fucking dream that I had or something, you know. I'm fucking five times watching the movie and just like doesn't stick. it's so weird the way Tarantino does this because a lot of the things you describe are just how I feel about like deathproof exactly like everybody's got a different one yeah

which does make him very interesting how do you how do you feel about this idea that he's described this movie as a hangout movie where what does that mean I'll read I'll read the quote isn't every movie hangout movie he says it's a hangout movie he explained Jackie Brown is better the second time, and I think it's even better the third, and the fourth time, maybe even the first time we see it, we go, why are we doing all this hanging out? Why can't we get more of the plot? But now the second time you see it and the third time you see it, you're not thinking about the plot anymore. You're waiting for the hangout scenes. To me, that's the thing Rio Bravo did. Oh yeah, because he was comparing it, saying it was his Rio Bravo. I remember the first time I saw Rio Bravo, but I remember more the 15th time I saw Rio Bravo. Obviously, Adam would vehemently disagree with this time. well yeah i mean i've seen it five times now um fourth so he said that about his own movie

yeah that's kind of funny that's hilarious he's a good director and writer like of course he's made really great films but he comes off as a bit of a pretentious ass especially when he says things like that and we've talked before the fucking video of him slapping the phone at a guy's hand or trying what are you doing

yo what are you doing he's very intense isn't it What are you doing right now? I suppose in a way most films are like just hanging out with the characters. If you want to like put it as loose as possible. I mean like most of his movies are like that like I don't. Both of those elements work for me in Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction is a lot of fucking hanging out. But I also care about like the tension of each scene.

I care about, you know, the fucking overdose. I care about the conflict with Marcellus Wallace and the white or you know, Uma Thurman girlfriend thing. I feel like the more times I watched that movie I'm not just like ignoring the plot and I'm waiting for the hangout scenes I think that there's more context for both of those elements and they work better every time I watch the film

I'm like understanding more the dynamics and what's at stake in any given scene how things eventually play out makes all of it better whereas in Jackie Brown it sounds like he just said like yeah the plot doesn't really matter you know the hangout scenes the hangout scenes are always good in his movies

yeah Jules and Vincent in the car and Pulp Fiction and then this too when they're in the Ordell's apartment or is her apartment or whoever's apartment it is like those scenes are great there's a lot of other stuff going on this movie I don't know why the hangout scenes are such a high point for him or such like a specific thing and then it's like uh yeah the four you got to watch the movie three or four times I mean it upon the third or fourth viewing convoluted it doesn't it mean to be a third or fourth you. It's not that convoluted. I understood it the first time watching it. I was like, oh, I was maybe mildly like, what for the, that point at the end for the switching perspectives? Yeah, yeah.

I won't even take off points for that because I literally didn't even take anything of it. I figured it out pretty quick. It's an hour and 25 minutes into the film by the time she even suggests to run away with like the half a million dollars to the bondsman, right? Yeah, I guess so. There's just so much of this movie where, like, you're wondering, what's the conflict right now? Where is it going? Sort of thing. Or at least that was my experience with a lot of the times that I watched it. It's just the main plot just isn't that engaging to me. And perhaps that weighs down the hangout scenes for me. Because, like, there's individual moments. I love the weed girl. And I love the Robert De Niro thing. I love them talking about the guns watching the fucking TV ad and Sam Jackson's

going all off. I'm like, AK-40. I mean, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, the Chicks with Guns thing was pretty funny. I don't, I don't know. I don't know who made that or if that's original. There's a lot of great stuff in the film, aesthetically that I love, not just the filmmaking, but like character dynamics, ideas for what characters should be, how they should be sort of thing.

I love that. It's just, it's in a boring movie. I wish it was in something where I cared more about what was happening. And perhaps this is also because I don't give a shit about Jackie Brown. main character I don't care about. I really do not. I find the most interesting characters in this movie to be the other characters, and I don't find Jackie Brown to be interesting whatsoever.

I guess that's where we differ then, because I think her character is like the point and carries the whole thing, so I suppose if she doesn't work, then obviously the movie's not going to come together for you. But I really like the first hour of the movie. I think it establishes the kind of stakes really well, as I said, with like Sam Jackson killing the previous runner and everything, and then him basically trying to kill Jackie Brown

and her pulling a fast one on him. So he's like forced to work with her. That's like an interesting place in a story for a character to be. There's a lot of tension and drama there. And then adding in the De Nira stuff. I felt like that was okay. If I cared about her, it would work so well, right? Yeah, if you're not connecting the characters, then the movie's not going to work.

Because like it's, yeah, it's so character-driven. It's just so focused on those hangout scenes and people talking to each other. Not, yeah, it's not as plot-driven as maybe, I don't know. I wouldn't say any of his movies are. as plot driven. There's usually very long dialogue scenes and I don't know. This one doesn't really stand out to me

particularly where I thought it was dragging. I think it just stands out more because of the subtlety compared to the other movies. It doesn't rely on some kind of shocking violence or anything. It's based on source material. It's based on something else. Yeah, that book background does give it a different feel. It has a different flavor.

It doesn't end like a shootout. They're shooting, but it's a lot different. Everyone gets shot twice, too, which is an interesting thing. I'm not sure if that was supposed to mean something. Everyone gets shot twice in the movie. Interesting. I don't know why.

What's funny is like I would feel this way probably the way you feel about it with it being like different and kind of like more mature. I would feel that way about once upon a time in Hollywood if spoilers, the ending was different. Not a huge spoiler just by keeping it vague. I would feel that exact same way if he just stayed consistent the entire movie. be like wow this is like a mature departure that like you know it doesn't need his you know gimmicky tarentino schtick sort of thing you know yeah i really agree yeah and then it ends with

horrific violence yeah i'm not i'm not opposed to that at all it was really weird how once and upon the time in hollywood ended it was just like yep thought you thought you were watching a different kind of tarentino movie huh well not today pal couldn't help himself on that one yeah and jackie brown just kind of is actually that it's just it's good the whole movie and the There's no dumb shoot. I love the ending Once Upon Time in Hollywood, too. I think it works for that movie.

It was very unexpected. That's much more of a crowd pleaser, too. This movie actually didn't do great. I believe it did fine. Critically, people liked it. It just didn't do amazing. And I think Tarantino hammered more in on the zany elements of his movies or the violent elements.

It's funny you said this movie's more mature. because it's, you know, not as violent or as, like, bloody as his other movies, but his other movies are more loony-tunes-esque and not as mature, even though they're more violent because they're so ridiculous. There's so fucking, you know, the amount of blood in Django is ridiculous, like, the end when he's shooting those guys in the house. It's, like, hilarious how much blood there is. And there's nothing like that in this movie.

I just took it really seriously. I'm like, wow, this is a good drama. It's really good characters. They don't do anything crazy. Six years after Jackie Brown, he released Kill Bill, and they are kind of the antithesis of each other, and I really like them both for that exact reason. They're both doing something different in his filmography.

Yeah. It really stands out now, especially now we've had, like, Django, the Hateful Light, once upon a time. Jackie Brown really does stand out as something a little bit different, which I really think adds some layers to it. Yeah, even Hateful Eight. He directed Jackie Brown in between my two favorite, Quentin Tarantino movies.

Right next to them. Yeah, I personally, I wouldn't put it at the very top. I do still think, like, Pulp Fiction's better, and I really like the hateful. I, but this is the thing, though, as we said, like, everyone just has their favorite versions of Tarantino and what they're looking for from his style. Because he does have a consistent style, but it's just the interpretation and, like, what era of Hollywood is he going to be homageing in this movie? Like, what, is it

an action thing? Is it like a more exploitative thing? Like, there's a lot of choice and I don't know, I just like the serious nature of Jackie Brown, how it doesn't jump the gun at any point in that way. It is consistent. I really like the characters. I love that

dialogue. I just, I don't know, it's a really interesting film from him. Yeah. I was going to say, hey, flates like that. It felt more mature or, like, a little more grounded for the first, maybe two-thirds of it, and then it gets a little nuts toward the end. But I forgive it there more with it being like a Western and everything and the crazy characters. You're kind of waiting for it because it was actually really slow.

It was actually like, let's just establish all these characters, one setting. And I'm like, okay, I like this a lot. It's compelling all the way through for me. It is compelling. I'm not saying it's not compelling, but it's one location. It's like trapped in a shack with these fucking eight people. Yeah. I think hopefully it is great.

So to have that catharsis. at the end of like they all shoot each other is it's funny i like that a lot yeah like a western shooter yeah i didn't want jackie brown to like start shooting everyone and like i didn't want that i like the way jackie brand handled the situation and she got away scot-free and you know even robert forster like their kiss at the end and when she goes away like that was a very touching moment i thought i really like those characters we admit he's a bit scared of her he's kind of scared of her he feels kind of used by her. Like, there's so much going on in his face at that moment. And then he walks away and it's out of focus. Yeah, it's very memorable, the stylistic choices, I thought,

throughout the entire thing. Love the stylistic choices. Yeah, the color of, like, I appreciate his devotion to film and, like, the film look. The colors in the movie look really nice. Like, her suit is all blue. Like, it really pops. She wears it at the end, like, in the mall robbery, even though she doesn't necessarily have to but I guess it's a good disguise like she's a little inconspicuous and it just makes it looks really great and then she comes out with the suit and it looks great

like there's so much about the visual style of the movie how it's presented that I thought was really well thought out when she's like running out of the mall or she's running out when the heist kind of goes wrong and the cameras following her out of the mall or out of the store I mean that was really well done too

like there's so many stuff there's so much stuff like that The music was well in that part. Yeah, it was not, I didn't think it was dull at all or like boring. Like I was never, it never lost me at all. It flew by as well in terms of the length. Yeah, I didn't feel the link either even though, I think some of his later films like Django especially, I felt like were just a bit too long, but too much, but just like 15 minutes

too much. I'm with you. I didn't feel that length. I thought it just felt it paced itself really well. It didn't like linger on anything that wasn't, you know, giving me some kind of payoff or humor or a clever line or good acting. Yeah. Yeah.

I appreciate it in this filmography, but as a film on its own, too, I think it really works. I think if you just watched it once and never bothered with it again, I feel like it's a very good film. Yeah. It's like a very great casual viewing as well. I feel like it works in any, like, basically anyone could enjoy it. even though it is kind of mature and final. I would highly recommend it as like one of his best movies.

I would put it up there with Pulp Fiction and I'd say in Glorious Bastards probably. Those are probably my favorite. Yeah, I like bastards. I really like the slow zoom on the back of Sam Jackson's head as he's like thinking about like whether or not to shoot Robert De Niro. I like that. Yeah. There are lots of like technical moments that I love. Lots of that.

It's just not held together with anything that I can stick to, you know. It needs the stickiness, as M. Knight would say. So you guys didn't think the ending was like anti-climactic or anything, right? No, not at all. No, she achieves her goal. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like the last, the final car shot I liked. Just the whole shootout part is just so weird and awkward to me.

Yeah, like the resolution of the story. Yeah. Oh yeah, like, right, she's got a gun. Yeah, and he's like, Sam Jackson is well aware that there could be a setup and specifically tells Robert Forster, like, I'm going to fucking kill you if you do this shit. And he's like loaded, ready to go. And there's literally like a whole fucking like five seconds where he could shoot her. Like I don't even know if she was wearing like a bulletproof vest probably. But still, it's just like, damn, he didn't do anything about that, you know?

He kind of just like stood there and let it happen, but it was kind of weird. And then, yeah, the whole just, I don't know, the cops being so incompetent that they didn't ask the cashier if somebody ran past her. It's a weird bit. Yeah, that is a weird, but I'll give it that. But none of those things are enough for my experience anyway. Yeah. Yeah, agreed. I think the film offers a lot of value and the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Yeah, I could complain about it. stupid things about Kill Bill, you know? There's a bunch of shit like that. You can't just, yeah, that's not how Comas work, you know, fucking feet and wiggle your big, so much about it that's goofy. Oh, that's going for a cartoon logic. Yeah, it's a goofier movie also. It's not only a goofier movie, but it's like something I love.

By the way, I would love to talk about Kill Bill on the podcast someday, but I'm kind of hoping we all wait for like a 4K release because I think that would be a good excuse. Oh, that'd be a little bit more so. Yeah, I want to get like a 4K restoration of all his movies. I'm waiting on that. Like Chris Nolan has one because he shoots all of one film as well. Yeah, I'll probably do like a box set

in the next year or something. Yeah, I think that'd be great. Yeah. I should totally do that. Yeah, I'd like to see the whole bloody effects I've only ever watched them separately. Who knows if that will ever get an actual release outside of Japan?

That's the Kill Bill one, right? There's the extended hateful eight, you know, there's that one. Yeah. I love the love story between Robert Forrester and Pam Greer in this. The first shot when she's like walking out of jail and it's it's kind of like the love at first sight moment where he looks at her. Yeah. And she's like, you know, her hair's all

raggedy. You just tell her face. But the way it's presented, it's like a, it's the moment he falls in love with her, I guess. I thought that was so unique. There are a lot of moments in this genre that Tarantino just presents in a more like a played down way that made it much more actually interesting to watch because it was more subtle because it was just like Robert Forster watching her walk out of jail or just a simple bag exchange like that's what made it suspenseful for me anyway and then I love the giant shootouts with tons of blood too but that's that's for other movies yeah it would have been weird here yeah I'd like to watch those black exploitation movies too but I don't know those are those are hard to get into like the Pam Greer ones

I'll watch some of them one day I feel like I don't know. I feel like I'd be, depending on the run time, I might be more entertained by those. Yeah, I bet they're shorter, but. I also, like, I don't know. I love kind of, like, relics from the past in that way. I think that there's this, oh, their own sense of character to it. And I love, you know, even, like, kind of poorly made things, like, from that era.

I would love to get into it. Yeah, I'm interested in Foxy Brown. Yeah, I'm going to add that to my watch. Yeah, death proof is, like, much more of an homage to those kinds of movies. Exactly. Much more goofy. It's probably why I like it more. It's just like a lot of this is also, I don't know, when it comes down to like a gut visceral reaction of like whether or not you enjoy something, a lot of it is like tone and aesthetic, right?

And I love the tone and the aesthetic of deathproof a lot. I love what it's going for in that in that regard. So that really helps my experience there. Jackie Brown doesn't seem like too far removed from like either Pulp Fiction or like even reservoir. war dogs to some extent, but it just doesn't, it's not as, like, strong of a personality in that sense. I don't know, like the soundtrack's there for sure. I feel like it has a lot of personality. There's like a, I mean, even though it's based on a book, it feels much more original to me too. There's a sense of originality. Teffproof, there's like a bunch of stuff for movies.

He's referencing. And it feels much more like kind of have run-hide fight. It's just like this cathartic, like, and then there's our car chase. And then there's this. And I just see Tarantino, just writing down a bunch of, like, crap. Like, and then. then there's a bunch of hot chicks and then they get in a car chase. Like, it's just, like, to me, that's boring. And I, this didn't feel like that. This is like, he actually, like, took his time and developed it. And it was based on something that someone else wrote that he actually developed as well.

Like, they thought out really well. It wasn't just, like, dumb movie cliches and references. And there's homages in there, too. But it's more, like, sprinkled in. It's much, it's much better, I think. But, yeah, preference and all that. wouldn't even disagree with your assessment that he probably put more time into writing Jackie Brown. I wouldn't disagree with that at all. I just like deathproof more.

And I love Kill Bill. That's more goofy too. It just, you know, it depends how you play it. Yeah. I'm, I am fucking itching for a 4K release of that because I want to watch it again, but I don't, like, I want to, you know, it's been long enough that I feel like I've, I could experience parts of it kind of almost for the first time again. Yeah, they keep doing that after we do like an episode, like they just released Lord of the Rings on 4K and we just did the episode on that. Oh, yeah.

Well, it's because they watch our podcast. Yeah. They're like, oh, we got to ride the wave. Hold the line. I got Terminator 2, 4K. That was really good. Oh, yeah? It's a fucking great movie.

Yeah, I haven't seen that one in forever. Yeah, same. Get the 4K. I'll check it out again. But yeah, yeah, ratings, I guess, if you want to. Yeah. I'll start. Because I gave it a five out of five.

I think it's great. It's probably one of my favorite crime movies. It's one of my favorite Tarantino movies, like Top Three. It depends on the day. Yeah, I love that. It's just like a good drama, just subtle. I keep saying like the same shit about it. But I just really love the movie.

I think it's really well done. I appreciate a lot. I don't want to be obnoxious about it. I just think it's great. I just think it's really great. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I want to be obnoxious. about it and I'm giving it a five out of ten.

It's underrated compared to his other works and it's for a reason. Wake up, sheeple. Yeah, I don't know. I'm more on Ralph's side. I give this a four-star. I have other movies in his list that I prefer, but I do think there is something to be said for Jackie Brown in the story here and just how different it is for his form. I like the characters, like Ralph, I'm just going over the bullet points have already done.

I mean, I just really like this movie. And hopefully, uh, can go back to hang out with the characters again and again. Hanging out with my family. Great song. Hanging out with Quentin. Yeah, I just really enjoyed it. I was rewatching it for this and it didn't feel like work at all. Like, it was just so enjoyable.

I'm very happy for the both of you. It never feels like work. You know, it's just like so many times I've seen. seen it. It's such a good movie. I was so invested in it. Yeah. In my memory, I held it way more negatively. So I was really pleasantly surprised by revisiting it. Mm-hmm. Let's do some questions then from the Sardonicasse community. If you want to leave your own questions, head over to the Sardana cast subreddit, will there be a suggestion thread where you can ask us whatever you like. Inktrop 53 is going to start itself. Have there been films that have made you go and read their book counterparts? No one

read a rum punch in prep for this one. Hmm. The South Island Tales Comics. Oh yeah, I guess so. I skimmed through those. That's one of my answers. So novels would like tie to a book? Um, book, I guess like films that are based on a book that afterwards, like, for example,

after I chose naked lunch, as a suggestion, I went and I listened to the audio book. I guess it's not quite the same, but. Cool. Yeah, that's one. I really love the way it was written. Hmm. I did a lot of traveling here traveling like a few years ago. So I read 2001 of Space Odyssey doing that.

I picked up at a bookstore. And that was written at the same time as the movie. So it's like... Oh, yeah. It's kind of... It's similar to the movie, but it's not like the movie's based on it. So people... That's why people have very different interpretations of the movie,

because it's actually very different from the book, like how the book presents it. The end is trippy, like in the book. It's presented like a... like crazy shit is happening like Jupiter is like exploding and like the sun's like aligning with Mercury like the way to describe it's like wow

So but so the movie's interpretation It's like like a visual version of that I guess But the whole it was basically the same thing Like for the most part Like the story of it It was pretty good I thought it was a good read

I'd say the movie's better Because it has that visual component Like all the set designs and everything Set designs what makes it like unique the hallways and the red chairs and like all that shit the book's fine though i haven't read the rest of them there's like a ton of sequels but book sequels to 2001 that i haven't read at all yeah usually it's the other way around for me i don't know uh i think there's i think there's only one where i've read the source material after the fact and that

would be uh kemba the white lion i went and read the manga for purely spiteful reasons i guess but yeah I don't uh I've gotten suggestions though I've heard that a lot of the graphic novels like watchmen and walking dead are a lot better than their film TV adaptations oh yeah watchman's much better yeah I'm walking dead yeah I've read both of those oh awesome so who knows maybe in the future at some point I have no idea but I don't dedicate a lot of time in my day to reading fiction most of what I read is like news stuff so yeah I'm also reading, I'm like halfway through Watchman. That's pretty good. Probably almost done with it actually. I'm just looking at my shelf. I've read this Game of Thrones. I'm like reading that.

They're so big. Those fucking books are fucking genitals. Yeah, I started reading it. But it was like at the end of the show. So it's like so down. I'm like just the whole universe and everything. Is the endings of these books even going to come out? Now I'm reading them because I actually want to know.

I actually want to know like what the ending is. That's why I'm reading them. I want to know what actually happens because the show was bullshit. shit, like, everything he came up with is fucking nonsense. If all the books do come out, maybe I'll make it my mission to go through it. But there's something so bothersome to me about that. Just the idea of, like, investing yourself in this universe and then potentially not even getting an end. And then you just didn't wait and hang out.

Yeah, yeah. Just hang out, yeah. Yeah, fuck. It's a hangout book. You just hang out. Just hang out with the characters, man. M-night needs Sanisca. an Oscar

Whatever Yeah Oh my God Needs an Oscar Yeah Reddit names too What's the movie That made you

Recognize film As an art form Rather than just a way To pass the time I mean Way back Probably fucking Memento I was like my first

I think I must have watched that one Before Donnie Darko But those were like Two big movies for me When I was like I don't know 12, 13 or something

I was like Yeah movies can be art yeah I actually think Finding Nemo I think that's the one where I looked into the behind

the scenes of it because I think the the menu on the DVD had bonus features where you could look at the character models and whatever how they sculpted them and I was like oh shit

so this is how this works it's like a movie and I started to piece together the process of it because I really didn't understand what a movie was at that point it's like when you're young you don't understand you think it's like a bunch of people in a TV

like acting at a play I was probably really young when I thought that it was probably four yeah for me I was always always drawn to this idea of like being scared by movies and taking yourself out of that comfort zone but when I was like a really young kid

I saw an alien for the first time and it like freaked me out so much the concept of it this parasitic creature like fuck me up so much the only way to get over the fear was to to figure out how they made the movie as you were saying with the behind the scenes stuff of finding nemo that was really got me into it was seeing like all the behind the scenes of alien and the featureettes and stuff i was terrified of finding nemo i was terrified of the ps2 game the bruce shark yeah i was actually i think i was six years old when finding nemo came out so yeah i probably did think it was a bunch of people

televisions at that point. Just fucking acting. I just didn't even understand what it was. It was so dumb. There's another like distant memory of mine. It might have been Babe. It might have been Babe Pig in the City.

It might have been a movie that's not either of the Babe films. But there was like when I was very, very young, watching some movie with my family. There was like a time lapse fade shot of like, I don't remember if it was Babe or like a goat. But there was. was like some an animal in like a pen like a within enclosed in like a fence and they were basically either walking around the edge of the fence like just like killing time the implication of the scene

was like oh passage of time they're doing nothing they're bored they're alone whatever and i think my brother asked like how do they do that and i don't remember how my mom or whoever explained it to me but i think that that was like also a moment where i at a very early age was kind of questioning the mechanics of what is being seen in a scene rather than just watching it without actually thinking about what's going behind it. Because at whatever age I was, very, very young, that was a really interesting question. You know, like how do you do a fade, you know, when you're filming something? Like it's something that sort of sparked that thought process. Or even just how a camera works, how the equipment even, yeah, exactly. Just things that you don't

question until you have something that kind of sparks that, I guess. Yeah, even just watching an animated movie. You don't even, like, a kid doesn't understand. Yeah. CGI or even, like, drawings and motion. It's real. They don't even understand any of that. Yeah.

Or they just don't even separate it, you know? Mm-hmm. But that's, yeah, like, once you discover that and once you kind of look into it, I think finding Nemo was probably the first time, like, at least the first time I remember anyway. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's, it's, you're like, oh, is, actually pretty cool and you could do this yourself

yeah probably not as good you need hundreds of millions of dollars but maybe at some point fucking tangerines film it on an iPhone Sean Baker yeah you can do that get like a software on your computer the source filmmaker

there's that like dude that blew up on YouTube very recently what the fuck is he's getting like every single one of his posts is like big on Reddit right now but he makes these like very cheaply influenced rotoscoping animations where he released a tutorial on his channel

not too long ago. I'm going to find the channel name here so I can give them a shout out on the podcast. Let's see. I can find it on my Twitter without scrolling back too far, I believe. Let's see. Joel Haver or Haver.

I don't know. He'll probably hit a million subscribers next month is how his channel's growing. He's at like 600,000 right now. Or I guess this month, it's February already. Oh, good. But yeah, check out. There's a video he made called How I Animated This Video,

and he just gives like a tutorial and all of the hilarious and relatable funny animations he's been making that have gotten super popular. And, yeah, basically you can cheaply rhodoscope things at home using AI now, even though it's not perfect, but the technology will get even better, which is really cool. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. That's really impressive. It'll be pretty sick. You can make Blade Runner at home.

Yeah. You could make Southland Tales at home. Yeah, you can make a 10-hour cut. Yeah, it'll probably look better than the official release, yeah. You can make the cut as long as you want. 20-hour cut of Southland Tales. Cartoon Wizard XL has one for us. Have you guys ever been to Long John Silvers? No.

I think that's an American restaurant, right? Yeah, I didn't really know what it was. I hoped you guys would really know what it is. No. What it was because I... John Silveridge. I've heard of it, but I haven't been... I searched a picture of it.

It looked pretty messed up. Seafood? Yeah, it's like fast food. It's like the equivalent of like a chip shop in the UK. But as a big chain restaurant, I don't know how I feel about it. Never been to one, sorry. Sorry. They're around May, but, you know, I've heard of it.

Next question. Next question. Okay, okay. Alfred Fallon, Borden, says, especially for Adam. given that you have a lot of thoughts about time travel stories what do you think of the Netflix series dark shit I've only seen like two episodes oh really so you've seen a couple yeah and it was not hooky while ago and I was kind of preoccupied at the same time I would want to probably start from the beginning if I checked out again it was well shot I don't think

I got far enough into it to be able to like really interpret what was even happening supernaturally like time travel or otherwise you know so that's one that's been on my list for a while. I feel like just everyone recommends it consistently. Decent from what I watched so far? I mean, it didn't blow my mind, but I'd be willing to continue through with it at some point. Just not in a huge rush too, I guess. It's like three or four seasons now, right? Yeah, it's getting up there. Yeah. I haven't seen it, so no thoughts on it. Oops. It's regarded highly. People like tell me it's really good. Yeah. Sorry everybody. Yeah. No long John Silver is no dark. Next question.

GGGG-375, that's one. If you're forced to add a category to the Academy Awards to reward an aspect of filmmaking you thought was underappreciated, what would your new category be? Best Hangout movie? Stunts. Yeah, stunts an obvious one. Mm-hmm.

I was thinking, like, I don't know, without, like, just shoving in awards for awards sake, maybe like a first-time director award or something? Yeah. You know, because then it breaks it up a little bit. It's not always the same group of people always winning. Yeah, something like that. I think they should have a best popular movie.

Yeah. Like Panther. Fuck them. I don't even, I'm not even going to come up with them. Yeah, because I guess now that you mentioned it, like every single music awards show has something like that. Like, Best New Artist. That's true.

They have that at the Grammys and Juno's and Blah, blah, blah. So like Best New Actor, Best New Actress, Then Best New York Day. New Actor is a weird one. I like the direct. director one. Yeah, director makes more sense. A new coming actor? I think that would be good.

I guess if people cared enough about directors, then they would have that category. Yeah, true. That's why they have it in music awards shows is because you're nominating the artists themselves, not the people responsible for, you know, not like the director of a film. People care more about the actors in a movie than the director, unfortunately. Well, because they're the ones you see on the screen. Yeah, they're on the screen in the posters. They're on the screen.

Unless it's Lars von Trere, then he puts himself on the poster. And you're Tarantino. Yeah, in the movie too sometimes. Yeah, Tarantino. Oh, man. Jackie Brown, except on a answering machine. Oh, yeah. That's why it's a great movie.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of work that goes underappreciated in Hollywood for sure. Oh, no doubt. Stuntz is a huge one because it's like, they're literally risking their lives. Like maybe some recognition, please. I feel like visual effects are much more complicated than just one category. I know, right? I feel like there's so many components that go into visual effects.

It's just like giving, you know, a studio just like one award. I don't think that covers it. Yeah, but then you fall into the issue that they had with the sound categories where even though there are two different categories, the Academy doesn't understand the difference. So they just vote for the same one every time. So there might as well be one category if the people voting don't even know what the fuck is going on. Yeah, I'm like with music and sound,

something that's always bothered me is the difference between like original score and soundtrack and how, I guess there's no soundtrack category. No, because that would be weird because, you know, then you just throw in a bunch of like previously existing songs into your movie to get an Oscar. But I feel like, like Jackie Brown

for example. That's a great soundtrack. Mm-hmm. Best use of soundtrack. Yeah, well, like, best use of, like, an original song or something. Well, not an original song, pre-existing song or something. It's like an original song category, but I feel like that's almost a waste. Yeah, original song category makes sense.

But, like, just having a good track listing, it would be weird to have an Oscar for that. Yeah. I would like it if, do they have, they don't have, like, an adapted song category. and that's the reason why Clint Mansell wasn't nominated for Black Swan. They have an adapted screenplay category, but they don't have like an adapted score category. So that would be a cool one to have. And that would, I guess,

almost be close to what you were mentioning, but not quite. Because it is weird that if you like make an entirely new rendition off of something that's loosely based off something else, it's just like, no, sorry, it's not a real score anymore. It's like, it's still a fucking great score. Yeah. Come on.

Yeah, but then, like, films have remakes and they get nominated for an Oscar, but that was just from something else. True. They should have Best Adapted Film and then Best Original Film, and that would help, that would encourage filmmakers to make original films. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're taking back Scorsese's Oscar for The Departed. Can't do it anymore. Yeah, it's based on infernal affairs. Yeah.

Sorry. It's not a real movie. Yeah, not a real movie. Let's end on this one then. from a Ben Dad Killer. What are your thoughts on the Hannibal movies, i.e. The Silence of the Lambs, Manhunter, Red Dragon,

and the TV show, if you've seen it, especially considering that it's one of Mads, Mikkelson's more popular roles. What are your thoughts on Gotti? Hmm. I saw The Silence of the Lambs, and that's it. I like Mads-Mickleson, though. Silence of the Lambs is great.

It's probably one of the best movies ever. It's critically acclaimed. Very strong lead. Anthony Hopkins fucking he's incredible in that movie and then they like gave him a bunch of sequels

because he was so good and the rest of that shit I haven't seen Silence of the Lambs is awesome you should totally watch that if you haven't it's thrilling yeah I've seen all of these

and Silence of the Lambs is definitely the best one I think didn't Ridley Scott do Red Dragon or something weird like that or did he do Handhand I can't remember

because the sequels the sequels are very forgettable and they're just trying to capture the Silence of the Lambs again. But I do think that Mads-Micholson show is worth checking out, especially now. I think it's on Netflix, and they're talking about continuing it. It's been a long time since I've seen it, because it aired a long time ago now, but

it was very striking. It had a lot of, like, really fun gore stuff in it. There's a great, like, practical effects. Great performance, obviously, from Hannibal himself in that show. So I'd recommend that show, for sure. Yeah, I've heard really good things about it, for sure. I've seen Silence of the Lambs, and that's about it. I do like that movie.

I feel like I would like it more now, because it's been a while since I've seen it. That's my impression anyway. Who knows? They could always reboot one of these with, like, Army Hammer or something, right? You got accused of a cannibalism. I'm going to eat your heart. Yeah. You could do...

Well, what's really funny is there's like a... Luca Guada, how do you pronounce it? Do you know Ralph? Do you know how to pronounce Luca's name? Luca Guadino. Is Luca how you pronounce his first name? Luca Guadino. I believe that's how I say it.

Guadadigua. Guadino. Guadino. Okay. Luca Guadino. I don't often trust Ralph for pronunciations, but this time. He's Italian. I think I have.

I mean, I could be wrong, but it's probably closer. I heard that he was actually doing like some sort of like cannibal movie with Timitay, Shadameh. It's like, you got the wrong one. It's a bunch of fucking names. You hired the wrong actor. It was the other one. But yeah, apparently that's in development.

Yeah, I rewatched the social network the other day and seeing the two armies is funny. Oh, no. Army of one. Army of cannibals, Bjork. Yeah, imagine like, two of him coming at you. I guess that does it to...

For question time. Uh, we have a recommendation from Alex. Yes, yes, so this is my choice. And, um, I'm taking a risk with this one. Um, please. I want to watch Bahubali the beginning, which is India's most expensive film. Okay.

Ever made. It's a visually breathtaking epic that has to be seen to be believed, according to the, uh, description. Okay, 2015. Do you guys ever heard of this? Bahubali? No. Bahubali.

It's like an action epic, so there's like... Oh, sweet. I haven't seen it yet, so... Two hours 39 minutes long, Indian movie. Great. Number 144 top rated. Man. Bahubali the beginning.

I've no idea what to expect. I'm excited. How many bees? Bahubali are the beginning? Okay, it's B-A-A-H-U-B-A-L-I-Colon the beginning on IMDB. It's got a... Widely available. Rate rating.

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We also got merch. You can buy some merch. And yeah, I guess I'll have to watch this movie. I'll give it a fair chance. I will give it an honest watch. Yeah, I've seen some clips. It looks pretty fun. I am very judgmental, but we'll see.

We'll see. All right. I guess that's it. I got to get back to watching some Sundance movies. now. Thank you everybody for watching and have a happy Bahubali the beginning.

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