Sardonicast - Sardonicast #83: The Snyder Cut, Paddington 1 & 2

Episode Date: April 4, 2021

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Three, two, one. That was from the Wonder Woman soundtrack, commonly featured in the Justice League film. That was my rendition. Yeah, there you go. There's a bit. Yeah. I'm Adam from your movie Sex, this Sardinacast.

I'm usually the most of the movie. And I'm Zach Snyder. I mean Alex from Archie. Oh, okay. We saw it. Do you want to talk about the Snyder cut? I guess we got to. That's the only reason I watched it.

Okay. I want you guys to talk more about it. I'm saving my opinion for, you know, the future. What? But I'll still discuss this, of course. But, like, I'm making a... Oh, you just don't want to say whether or not you liked it. No, I'm, like, making a long review, so I don't want to, like, reveal too much, you know.

Okay, you can save a little bit. Yeah, but it's, yeah, of course, I'll, like, if you say something, I'll be like, Of course, I feel that way. I'll confirm or deny. Okay. I obviously, yeah, of course I want to have a conversation. All right, then keep your secrets. Okay, so Alex, what did you think of the film?

Yeah, what did you think? I find this movie to be utterly fascinating. The whole story behind it is interesting in and of itself. So it is confusing and difficult to not get lost in what is ultimately being boiled down into this kind of comparison game between this original movies. So my gut feeling right now is that I kind of like it, but it is really kind of pretentious and has a lot of Zach Snyderisms that we're all very used to. But there's no denying that it is so superior to the original cut, the theatrical cut, that I found much more value in it and the characters have much more room to breathe. It was the action in particular found to be so much better.

but like the top level speaking i did i was surprised by how i was able to sit through the full four hours in one go and enjoy enjoy the Snyderisms uh for what they are and there is just something unique about this project to me because it's almost not a movie it's kind of a miniseries squished into a movie it's just utterly unique and fascinating to me so on those grounds i do kind of like that we that we got it at least but I'm passionate what you guys think because you of course didn't see the original cut and you still haven't right

exactly I was I was the only person on the planet that got the pure experience right everybody else you didn't watch the same movie as me you watched an improvement off of a worse movie I just watched a movie right it changes the conversation so much yeah that's the entire conversation

of what's happening so I I was like from Charlie Kaufman's novel I saw like a movie that nobody else did It's like, it's like, Aunt Kind. Yeah. Like, nobody else could possibly see the same movie that I did. So, um, yeah, it wasn't great. I don't know.

Like, I, I can imagine if I was, like, really happy with this even after, like, a worse thing. I don't know if I would still, like, call it good. But it makes me, it makes me intrigued and it makes me fascinated to, to check out the, the weed and cut. But I just want to mention also that. that like, I find it kind of ridiculous and stupid that Warner Brothers and everybody along with Warner Brothers gets to pass the blame off onto Joss Whedon because his cut wasn't what made it into the original

movie anyway because it used, it was supposed to be like two hours and a half or something. And then Warner Brothers was like trim it down for theaters and that's why it's exactly two hours. So it's not like it was his cut anyway. Like a lot of the reason why it was bad could also be just because of Warner Brothers. But now they get to pretend like, oh yeah, it was just this, you know this guy, he's been me-toed, right? Like, let's play him this guy, right? Yeah, and then even with Snyder's cut, he didn't even get the final cut. He was supposed to have Green Lantern at the end, and they made him change the end scene, and he almost quit over it.

So it's not even the Snyder cut. Like, they're not holding to their principles. It's Martian Man, I don't know if we're going to spoil it. Spoilers for Snyder cut. Yeah, spoilers. There's a scene at the end with Ben Affleck. Yeah. And it's Martian Man Hunter

Well that I thought The epilogue is the worst part Yeah well I thought everything with Martian Manhunter was ridiculous That was the most bloated part was that scene I laughed out loud when that reveal of Like Martha turning into him Yeah what the hell was that? It was so bizarre

Like it wasn't even necessary It seems like they just added that in like post production You know like what would be really cool right here Oh she becomes Martian Man Hunter like CGI. It didn't even make any sense. Yeah, it's such a result of just rushing to try and be Marvel. And it's like three Avengers movies and one, basically. It's trying to do everything that was spread out over years with these Marvel movies.

But in one bloated four-hour mess, it's trying to establish like three or four new characters. It's adding in new ones, like you said, into this new cut. It's so bloated and messy, and it's establishing, like, incredibly important characters, like Flash, Cyborg, the villain of the movie, and then the even greater like Thanos equivalent villain. There's so much going on, and it does suffer because of it, and you can't have the kind of fun, you know, like Avengers moments because you've just got so much extra stuff to set up and explain and over explain.

The implication is that this is the culmination of events, but the events are just in this movie. And so it's like, oh, okay, they want to try and do the whole Avengers. in affinity war, as Derek Savage would say, end game shit, right? They have the Thanos version, DC, you know. But like, you look at the release dates of the movies that are in this universe. Man of Steel, 2013, that started at all. Batman v. Superman 2016.

So Batman gets introduced in the Batman v. Superman movie. Doesn't have its own Batman movie. Suicide Squad, same year, 2016. And then that's not, is that a part of the universe still? I don't know. I have no idea. Because that's getting remade, but I guess that's a new universe. Okay.

Wonder Woman the next year, 2017, and then Justice League the same year, 2017. That's it. That's literally it. Aquaman had a movie after Justice League, right? For some reason, they wanted to pump out Justice League as quickly as possible, either A, because Infinity War was like a hyped up thing around the same time. When did that come out? I don't know.

It was around the same time, right? So I think either they were trying to like piggyback off the success, or Warner Brothers as a studio assumed that everybody would be done with superhero movies after Avengers Endgame or something. They assumed like nobody's going to keep watching superhero movies like after this point, right? It seemed like they were trying to like quickly capitalize on something because they were afraid that they wouldn't be able to in like five years from now because that's all they would have needed if they wanted to like actually develop the universe and have it realistically get up to that point. It's just another five years or something, right? It's so spineless too, considering like they easily could have made a Batman movie.

Oh, yeah. And it's huge, popular. Like, there's no excuse for that. It was just this disgusting, just mess of corporate decisions all coming together into this. And there is kind of a redemption story behind it because the sad way Snyder was kind of ripped off the project and him being able to at least have something put back together that does reflect his vision more. because I mean honestly out of the three movies he's done in this universe I think this is

the best one it's the most tonally consistent it has probably the best moments it's the only one I've seen again we're talking about improvements but yeah yeah that's it I mean you're not wrong I think it is it has so many of the problems Snyder's had for so long with I think the dialogue's very

weak the some of the effects work is kind of bizarre the dialogue's fucking terrible. Yeah. And I just I can't get on with Gal Gadot. Like the acting is so it's so distracting to me. I hate characters in this. Like

I don't know how much I hate Marvel characters. Like there are some that are kind of annoying. But this movie I actively hate. Like the flash, I cannot stand the flash and how he is in this movie. Oh, you don't like him in this version. I hate the comedy. Yeah, he's worse than the other one. Okay, yeah. Like, I I have no frame of reference for how much worse he can get in Justice League.

Henry Cavill has no CGI lip in this, at least from what I could see. The reshoots are very noticeable, very distracting in the other one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Ben Affleck just looks completely different in different points of the movie. Yeah, yeah. It sounds so much fun. And here he looks different too. I want to watch that one.

Yeah, you should. It's so bizarre the whole thing, how this came out. It's a relic. Yeah. It's the mother box of movies. It's no Marvel. Like, Marvel is the big game in town, and they just can't compete. I think what Zach Snyder came up with is just, you know, it's not like some kind of

autort project. These are like big budget superhero movies. I thought people wanted to see something more like Marvel, which is why they make a lot of money. I'm totally for a director's creativity on a project. But Zach Snyder has his name on, like, of the films in this universe, or at least half of them up until the point of justice thing, right? And so it's like, if it's tonally inconsistent, even with the movies that he's directed,

what's the fucking point of having them all the same story, right? Like, you can, I guess, make an argument like, oh, yeah, every director wants to do their own film a different way. It's like, okay, that's, that's fine, but it's the same director and the tone's completely different than the other movies. Like, if he got his way, if let's say, let's say the, the, the, the, disaster didn't happen and he was still on the project with Warder Brothers and everything was hunky dory and he was just able to do his thing it still wouldn't be black and white it wouldn't be

four by three like these are things that would not happen it wouldn't be four hours I guess this one's not black and white either that was an idea he kind of teased but it wouldn't be four hours and it wouldn't be four by three like that's for sure the only reason it's four hours is because it's streaming content and you don't have to fill up as many theater blocks I think I don't know it's just the concept behind it seems like iffy, you know? It seems like, it seems gimmicky and almost like a scam, because we didn't

really get Snyder cut like a scam. It does, because they, it kind of is. They made him change the last scene. What's the point? Okay, one change. What's the difference between that and two changes? And the society line. I wanted to mention the big,

one of the big additions for me was Jared Lettow's Joker that was added in, like in the apocalypse lip section. And I wanted to know what you guys saw that. I thought it was really funny. Like the whole... It wasn't trying to be funny. I don't think so. It's cringe. It's cringe.

That was all clearly reshoots. Like, and mirror is there? I'm like, why the fuck is mirror there? Like the CGI and Cyborg. It was part of his vision the whole time, though. That was really funny. Like, the dialogue. They got him to say we live in a society, but they didn't put him in the movie. It's just in the

trailer. Yeah. They tried to do meme marketing. Yeah, but it's like, why is he saying it? Like, it doesn't make sense. But we do live in a society. So that was direct meme marketing then. Like, it was riding a meme. Is it fan service if it's used to mock the film?

Because that's why the meme exists is to, like, mock people who pretend to be Joker, or like to mock the character, right? Like, it's not like a positive Joker meme. It's literally just like, this is dumb, it's like anti-humor, that we live in a society thing. So for a film that's unironically trying to make a serious movie out of it to use that in their marketing shows how out of touch they are really Like come on

I'm just curious how that cool went with like Jared Leto He's just fine with it I guess He's just happy to continue doing his Jared Letter joker nonsense for one more film You know Because they changed his look again didn't they He's like Jesus now I don't remember the damage being on there

Yeah He's got a bunch of lipstick smear on his face There's no scars. Doesn't look intimidating. Yeah. I mean, he never did. Five seconds. Well, he never did.

They kind of cheat-coded this DC universe by implying that loads of the famous DC stories that everyone loves have happened in the universe or are they going to happen because the flash time travel stuff is kind of setting up. One of my favorite, like, DC stories, the Flashpoint Paradox, which I call time travel and elsewhere stuff, which is like a fun story when it's told properly and you have the setup and of like the original characters to contrast against. In this universe, you've had a kind of dower Superman who then is killed and then he comes back and he's like the one you imagine he would be.

I feel like there needed to be like a man of steel two where they established who he was a bit more as a hero or something. It's just also rushed and no one's given a chance to be developed. Like Batman too. Everyone was ragging on in like the second movie where he was killing people and the Snyder fans have their defenses and stuff for it. It's all implied in ways that I don't find to be satisfying, like, on any level, really. It's all, like, back end.

You've got to fill in the blanks just based on your prior knowledge of the work. I just, it's just inherently unsatisfying. But I don't have any. I don't have prior knowledge. Yeah. The films are very spaced out, too. It isn't like Marvel where they come out, basically. Sometimes there's two a year or yearly.

Like you said, Manus Steel is 2013. and we're 2021 now and you're finally getting a Justice League movie that actually is like worth something like the Zach Snyder's vision as close to it as you're going to get it's too spaced out

for anyone to even remember it really shows how much they messed up though because I mean like beforehand DC they were the superheroes you know Marvel's always had Spider-Man but Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman like Justice League potentially

could have been huge if they'd you know, read the tea leaves a little bit better, but Marvel brought everyone together. They're a team. You can't stop them. Yeah. Zach Snyder, I think, released a lot of the plans he had for like this universe, which is probably not going to happen now.

You know, like Amy Adams and Superman have a kid and that kid becomes like Batman. Yeah. Like, you know, like, it's whatever. It's like that kind of stuff. Yeah, the plan sounded really bad. And then goes back in time. and then kills his dad.

Yeah, like, he had like a whole thing planned out, but it's not gonna happen. Okay. Yeah, because that's the current, like, drama, isn't it? There are people signing petitions and everything to... They want an air cut. Oh, yeah, the air cut. Oh, yeah. That's not gonna happen.

That's funny. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's ridiculous. We really want to see his creative vision here. That movie is beyond repair. You cannot repair. Like, that movie's a piece of shit. There's no way you can make that could.

I mean, if it meant, like, half an hour, more cringe Joker, I would agree. I would sign that petition because I want to see that. That was like the only entertaining part of the movie. True, actually. Because didn't they shoot like hours worth of Joker stuff? Yeah, Jared Letto got pissed or something. Yeah.

There was like a whole movie worth of Joker stuff for that. Joker too? And then they were like, this is unusable. The scene in this movie was like really poorly shot. Like lots of handheld close up. He was like out of focus when he was like holding up the car. He felt very restricted. He had like a swat fest on.

his laugh. I wasn't a fan of his laugh. I thought it was like, yeah. Yeah, basically, like, that's better. That was, I don't know. The whole, it's like that. It was like a whining duck. It's like the My Glasses kid in The Simpsons. Oh, geez. So Adam, are you telling me you weren't a fan of the anti-life equation?

What are you talking about? Yeah. No. They said motherbox a lot, too. I think that the, um, I think that the whole plot is just a fucking mess. I think it's like, it's so stupid how nothing makes any sense and it just contradicts itself. And it's like, you've had so many years to think about this and you have the benefit of hindsight too, right?

Like, you get to fix everything in a way that like no other director has because you understand like what's stupid and what doesn't work. I don't know exactly what total was new for this film and what wasn't. A lot of the motivation for the villain seems to be. Darkside forgot that Earth was the planet that he left these boxes on, even though they were already warping to the boxes to get them? Like, they'd discover after the fact they're like, it's stupid. It's honestly stupid.

And I actually, I got to Google does these, like, recommended articles or whatever on the homepage for me, and I got one this, either this morning or yesterday, where Zach Snyder reveals why Darkside forgot where the anti-life equation was in Justice League. And his answer, what was it? Quote,

he almost died when he returned to Apocalypse. He was in a fight for power and much time passed before he was in a position of power

again. And by then, all who had been with him had been slayed. So, so he forgot. Yeah, he forgot. He was like

kind of traumatized. So, yeah, he just forgot where it was. Everybody else that was there, like, died of old age or something at some point.

And nobody bothered to like write this down. And it's so important, the implication when they reveal like, this is the same planet where that flashback was, like obviously it's important. Otherwise that wouldn't mean anything. Well, yeah, the whole motherbox thing,

it's basically the equivalent of the, what, the infinity stones effectively. The Transformers boxes. Compare the way they were. It's the X-Moghuffin thing. The Dave's X-Machian. But they would never.

set up in any of the other movies, you would have thought they would have been established somewhere in the universe beforehand, but we're just kind of thrown into it. I mean, neither was cyborg or flash. A lot of the characters weren't. No, cyborgs, this is the first time you see him. And apparently the mother box is used to make him. I don't know if that was in the other cut. I don't think it was.

What? Cyborg being made by the mother box. Like, that's part of the story. Oh, yeah, I forgot. I don't understand why they had to have the team. coming together in the movie. I mean, there are plenty of Justice League movies where, like, the team's already established and they're just having antics. I feel like that would have been a much more intelligent way to approach you if they did want to jump into the deep end.

You could have actually done something with that. Yeah, that's kind of what they do anyway. Yes. All the setup and everything just felt more rushed than it usually does with like these kinds of cinematic universe things. I would have liked that better, yeah. But Adam, you said this was, this doesn't make sense, This is the version that makes sense. Like, it makes much more sense than the original one. Yeah? Does it?

Cyborg in the original is bizarre. The flash is bizarre and doesn't get any time. There's so much stuff that is different. Yeah, but, again, I don't know. I think it's a weird conversation when it's like, yeah, this doesn't make sense, but it could have been even less make sense. It's like, yeah, it's an improvement off of like a turd, I guess, but I don't know. I haven't seen it.

That's what I mean. That's like the only thing I would say about. It's an improvement. Isn't that weird, though? How much of an effect that has on people? This is in the top 250 on IMDB. If this was released on its own without the original Justice League, would it be there? I'm not sure it would be.

I think that this kind of thing happens all the time. I think that a lot of people had like, yes, it is on the top 250 on IMDB. Rains were extremely high for it, yes. I think that there's a lot of people that might have thought that M. Nights split was like a lot better than they would have otherwise if he hadn't released a bunch of crap before it you know like I think that this is like a real psychological effect where people make comparisons and it's like because the expectations are so low and because you know like are you more impressed when if someone can like roll a joint with two arms or one right 10 out of 10

I don't know what happened there with the ratings it's very bizarre how high they are. It was an 8.3 currently from 200,000 plus people. It was much higher before that. Oh yeah. Right, yeah. It was like right under Akira Kurosawa's ran. Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Yeah, this is why like these like IMDB's top 250 is just becoming less and less relevant. On every review site though, the ratings were like that. They were extremely high for really no reason. Because it was better Is it because it's superheroes The movie was like four hours long

And it just came out Yeah I mean people were rating it like Before they saw it too Yeah that too Not that you can't just watch the movie But you know To have like that amount of consensus

That it's like in the top 250 Like immediately I don't know I'm a little trepidious They want it to be good too Remember that this isn't just a movie To a lot of DC fans This is like a validation

This is like We get to be accepted This is like the gay rights movement But for DC fans This is like This is like when you finally get the pride parade And you're like Man, it really is okay to be a DC fan

This is what it is, right? But it's a comic book movie They finally get to be comfortable with their identity It's much more than a film There's another thing I wanted to shit on Martian Man Hunter definitely like that was silly Jared Leto like all that stuff

was awful I don't know There's a lot There's anything else There's a lot Yeah yeah but like that was a big part Like Jared Leto part That was what I was looking forward to

That's the only reason I watched it Okay It's like You know it's like three and a half hours In the movie or whatever Whatever It was like the fifth ending of the movie Because you know there's the big battle

Which is how the original Justice League ends You know, it ends with a big battle where Superman kills the guy, Step of Wolf, and then the movie ends. But in this one, they fight the guy, it ends. And then there's, like, the whole apocalypse thing. Then there's, like, him meet Martian Manhunter at his house, like, Ben Affleck meeting Martian Manhunter at his house in the mansion. Like, there's all this other shit added onto it. It's like Lord of the Rings, like three endings at the end. Yeah, it is all about just comparisons to the other movies because I was finding.

It's all bloated. Yeah, it's like, it's just following a long Snyder's career, like, oh yeah, you're like learning a bit from these things that were mistakes in the previous movies. I was really expecting for there to be, you won't know this, Adam, but in Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, the kind of third act just turns into this ridiculous, dreary explosion fest, right? Where you can barely even tell what's going on.

but I found the action much better paced throughout the kind of movie and much more creative and just better executed than anything he's done in those previous movies. There's like one really good fight scene in Batman v. Superman, but I mean... And here too, you're right. The action sequences are better done and like more intense. Like there's the whole battle with Wonder Woman like toward the beginning. It's like much more intense. It goes on for like 20 minutes, I think.

It feels like 20 minutes It's probably less than that The whole movie it just goes on too long Even the ending the third act It's too long He just doesn't know how to rein himself in I think It's definitely blot-soed

Yeah I mean the action scenes They're definitely better But the other cut Where they wanted to make it two hours They're like all right cut these action scenes down But it removes the like dramatic Like resonance of the scene

If it's just like a two minute fucking battle and, you know, he runs away. Yeah, exactly. Well, my favorite piece of action or kind of set piece in the movie is the whole reviving Superman thing. It's, I like the heroes having to work together, you know, without the mustache twirling villain directly being involved.

It's just them. A mustache twirling. That's fun. Yeah. I mean, that's another talking point with this movie is the Steppenwolf and the differences. He's been changed visually quite a lot. He still looks pretty silly to me He's shiny, spiky now

Is an improvement Yeah, he's covered in spikes And looks like a bionicle, but Yeah, and now he has something Instead of nothing Isn't that a low bar to set He has something? Oh, it's totally low bar.

Yeah, I'm not on the standpoint Of I, like, loving this movie. I'm like right down the middle I find it fascinating. There are things I enjoy about it, but, you know, as a whole it's not it's not it's not it's not on par with anything um any of its contemporaries to me i made star wars comparisons with step and wolf because he's a lot like dark fader because he has

like the guy who he talks to on the hologram or whatever yeah dark side he's like the underling it's like that yeah he's the underling exactly and then there's even like you know stepan wolf has like two guys next to him oh no dark side i think has two guys next to him and it's like two guys who look like the emperor from star wars like gyno hood and the other guy looks like palpatine It's like this gray hair human. Well, yeah, these movies are filled with so many, like, D.C. law references and stuff, I'm sure. Yeah, that too. People that just enjoy it on that note alone, you know?

If you're already into D.C., of course you can love it. Uh-huh. Well, all the Aquaman stuff. But, like, that stuff's pointless. Willem to Foe? Like, is in there. He doesn't do anything. I mean, he's there because he's in the Aquaman movies, I guess.

Yeah, exactly. But he doesn't serve a, I don't know. It didn't need to be there. I mean, in the Aquaman movie, they talked to each other underwater, right? I don't know why they had to make air bubbles in this film, which is really weird because, like, the Justice League, if this was like a part of the original cut especially, I don't know. But, like, this was part of the original plan, I think. I have no idea when this shit was film. But, like, Justice League and Aquaman didn't come out too far away from each other, right?

Aquaman was after. And there was, there seemed to be, like, zero communication between James One and Zach Snyder. So, like, James One was like, oh, yeah, I'll just film them talking to each other underwater. And Zach Snyder was like, I don't know how to do that. gonna make air bubbles every time, like in the middle of a fucking fight. Like, fucking Amber Hertz got her throat grabbed by Steppenwolf or whatever. She's like, air bubble, just to say something. She's like, you'll never get away with it or whatever she said.

It's so cheesy and stupid. It's weird that they have to do that. And so, like, the fighting and the talking scenes are like entirely separated at that sequence, and it's so weird. She tries to say something in the middle of a fight. There's a lot of issues that come with the flash existing. the movie, in my opinion. His dad is funny.

His dialogue fucking sucks, first of all. I hate that. Yeah, I was laughing. I hate everything that they tried to do with him. But then, like, just on a logical level, like, he's way too overpowered for the universe, for there to be any conflict, really. A lot of it doesn't make any sense. And so they nerve him intentionally so that there's, like, drama in the film.

You know, there's the part where the rubbles falling. There's, like, three big stones or whatever about to fall on some guy. He's like, whoop. like immediately. And then the last one falls and he says, no. And then cyborg gets it. It's like what?

Like you wouldn't have gotten it? Flash? Like you could have just walked there and you would have gotten it before it fell. Like, don't tell. In the time you could have said the words no. In the time you could have said the words no, you could have just like instead of doing that,

you could have just saved it like you did the other ones. Why did that final one? Why weren't you able to save the person on that one? There's no reason. And then it's like, okay. So he's running around in a circle at the end And then like the best fucking bug turret operator ever to exist in the entirety of the universe Manages to snipe him while he's running so fast that he's like turning time back

Manages to like actually hit him. Yes, he can reverse time. That's pretty overpowered Yeah, like at least for reversing time there's an implication like he can't just do it infinitely forever Like he'll just get tired or something like it looks like he's putting an effort in and it goes back very slowly of Okay. So at least, at least it seems like there's a limitation of some sort, some excuse for him not to do it all the time. It's supposed to be like he runs so fast that he just messes up time. Yeah, like Superman would do in whichever movie, right? So it doesn't make sense if you try to think about it, whatever. But like he gets shot by the dude on the turret as that's happening. And yet in the other scene where like Wonder Woman almost loses his sword, her sword, she's like trying to grab it. And then he just shows up and he's like, ding, with his finger, like, on the blade of the sword. So it's like, wait a minute. Like, are you allowed to get hurt by things while you're fast?

Because why wasn't the bullet that you got shot by or the explosion that you got? Like, I don't know what it is that the turret was shooting at him, whatever projectile. Why didn't that react the same way that the sword that was flying at you reacted? You literally touched it with your bare finger and you didn't even get a cut, right? So if while you're going fast, the objects that are moving slow to you don't actually provide any force because they are slow to your perspective like that sword, then how are you able to get shot with that projectile? It's just whichever the script wants at the moment, you know?

Why didn't the projectile? Why didn't he just touch it with his finger like he did with his sword? You're right, yeah. It's like a million things like that. It doesn't make sense. It's really annoying. But it's such a Snyder thing to, be way more interested in the visuals and the kind of, he really, like, romanticizes the idea

of the superheroes and treats them like gods, but they're kind of distant characters as a result and the ones that kind of have a bit more humanity needed their own movies, because, I mean, Cyborg's arc and Flash's story could have been told in their own movies, basically, and should have been, really, because it makes it so messy. Yeah, they have no setup at all. Yeah, exactly. And why did Cyborg have like extra arms? I don't remember that in the original one. That was weird. Yeah.

Really strange creative decision. I also don't like how he shut a missile at Superman for no reason. And he said, it's my auto defense system because Superman was looking angry or something. So it's like, now we have to ask ourselves like, okay, was Superman evil before the missile? Or was the missile an excuse to make Superman go evil for a thing? a second. See, that's something that should have been set up, yeah. Either cyborgs missile defense system is like the worst thing

his dad could have installed for him. Like, he can't even control it. He can control the banking institutions, but he can't control his arm, right? Like, it's like what, he just gave him an angry face? He's like too powerful, like a strong dude looked angry at him, and so he got to shoot a missile at him. Like, okay,

that fucking sucks. Your dad hates you, I guess. I don't know. Either that or like Superman actually was evil at that moment. and his arm was super smart in detecting that Superman was going to kill him or something. But that means that Superman's default setting is evil. That means like when he doesn't know who he is, he's like, oh, I've got amnesia. He's not like Jason Bourne, you know, like, who am I?

It's literally just like, I hate everybody. Like, I don't remember being raised by a good family. So I'm mad. Yeah, I don't know. That was just an excuse. That's just like the... Gotta have a fight. Amnesia beat, you know, so they can have a fight.

It's very silly I'm glad that fights in the movie though It's one of the more interesting parts to me One of the more memorable scenes When she yells Kallel, no I saw the comparisons It's very interesting Oh I didn't see that

Is there a difference? No yeah somebody posted Yeah they used a different voiceover take Like they probably did ADR for the new version I mean probably for both of them But in Justice Justice League the Jost Sweden kind

Jost Sleak Okay I like that Basically the The take sounds like she is Talking to like a baby Kallel no Like I don't even know how I could like

Yeah create it And then in the newer version it sounds like It sounds like it's coming from like A more empathetic Matured perspective I guess I still haven't seen the original Yeah it is better Do you think you're ever going to watch it?

Yes. You're just going to leave it? No, I will watch it. And then that will be another unique experience because no one else can... Yeah, you've done that the other way around. So the original Justice League is making people appreciate the improvements for Zack Snyder's version. So I'll be able to truly appreciate the glorious cluster fuck of Joss Whedon's version. and I think I did it the right way.

Yeah. I think I'll enjoy it more. I think I'm going to have more fun with it. I think you'll find it fascinating. It's going to be shorter. You'll have an interesting two hours. Yes, yes. I don't think it's even two hours.

It's like two hours on the dot. Including credits, though. Yeah, I think so. I don't know. That's what it says on IMDB. It's just two eight. It's just two hours. That was their only like, make it two hours.

That's it. Yeah. I would say, I don't know. This one's clearly better, but the fact that it's four hours. long makes me want to watch the other one just because it's shorter. Like I would prefer that one just because it's

two hours shorter than this one. I mean the length is like ridiculous. It is. It's three hours. I'd always prefer this one over that original unless it's for like humor or yeah. Because it is better. Yeah. I'm not going to deny that. I mean, since we're

fucking comparing hairs, it's like they're both. They're both bad. They're both fucking, yeah. They have a lot of really dull moments. What is it about Snyder that has built this particular fan base then? I have no idea. He's really got a certain style

that people really connect to. People really connect to this. I think some people like the violence, the Dark Edge. You know, this one's much more violent. I've noticed conservatives really love Zach Snyder. Well, I don't know why. Was this Armand White? I wonder what Armand White thought of this.

Ben Shapiro loved the new Justice League. Oh yeah, I saw a review on YouTube. It said Ben Shapiro Justice Lake reveal, like, holy fuck. And he's moving into film reviews. Oh, he's making a media empire. He's like, he's doing a lot right now. Yeah, I know.

I saw him there. But it's like he thinks that's like some kind of like, right, maybe it is. I don't know. Like that appeals to that kind of like the right crowd. But I don't know. It's like, it's a stupid superhero movie. Yeah. Whatever.

It was just weird. That was so bizarre to see that. They're like not as woke as Marvel. I don't know. Like, I didn't watch it. It was on my feed, though. So the thumbnail. Does anybody think Batman's a little too pudgy?

I think Batman's too pudgy. He's more of a dad man than Batman. Depends on what scene it is and what kind of watching. Yeah, it drops right. It depends on the scene. At the end of this film, like, during the reshoots, he was like skinnier. I thought he looked okay. But like then there's some shots, you know, where he's like pudgy, some shots where he's

like kind of built, he looks all right. Some shots where he looks kind of out of it, like he's tired or something. I don't think Ben Affleck works as a Batman. No, I don't think so either. I thought the casting was very poor of everybody. Well, I was kind of into his look in BBS, personally. I thought he was all right in BVS in terms of the brooding, like, physicality of it. It kind of suits Snyder's darkness more, because it was like a jaded Superman.

Sorry, Batman, but... But that is that... I don't know. That's more to do with... like how the character is written and casting Ben Affleck, right? No, but I mean, just the visual way he presented Batman in that movie, it is different to Justice League, because he's in the Rokes Gallery. Batman's kind of the ob one out, he's not a god.

It's an ongoing joke that he's rich. I don't like that joke at all in the movie, but yeah, he, Batman kind of has so much less to do, and they added in this whole sequence with him in the, like, his car driving around shooting rocket. pockets and stuff, and he's got like his spider tank, because they've got to power him up to be at least somewhat comparable with the threats around him because they're so ridiculously overpowered and they are all gods. But, yeah, I don't know.

Batman in this movie, yeah, he does stand out a bit more. And in that original cut, particularly, he was absolutely bizarre and stood out because the color grading was obviously different. The color grading does, it's visually consistent, at least in this version in the original. It was just jumped around like crazy. He doesn't do anything. He's useless. Yeah, he doesn't.

He assembles the team. Yeah, remember he has like this, I don't know, it's kind of like a military jet. He like drops them off. Like that's all he can do. He fucking drops everyone off. Yeah. I got the dough. He picks the flash up in a car.

He's like, okay, let's go. And he drives his car away. Like, that's all he could do. He has like a nice car. They can drive. When the characters have no history, just the beats don't hit. You know, where they could. Yeah, exactly.

You know, if they'd spent the time and then really did have like a properly established Batman Superman relationships, so then years down the line, you have conflict between them, that's interesting. That's like what you want to see. But again, it's just rushed over. The crazy action explosions are kind of the priority in the Jesus imagery and stuff. Yeah. I like how when they bring back Superman, he is like,

Yeah, they brought me back for a reason. I got to find out. Like, there's zero chance in his mind that they would have brought him back to life for any sentimental reasons. Like, they don't like me. Like, they want something. I'm just fucking dicking around for a while.

Superman doesn't show up till, like, halfway through. Yeah. Yeah, if not longer. He's a really boring character. Him and Batman. I couldn't imagine watching Batman v. Superman. Oh, it's so much worse. Yeah.

Jesse Eisenberg seems... The worst of the worst. Funny bad Like more cringe He seems on par with Jared Leto Honestly There's some good villains in the DCU Yeah I could agree with that

I'm really Really not feeling the movie It wasn't good Everything it just seems like a bad idea The whole thing seems like a bad idea The Flash is stupid Cyborg is stupid He gave a woman

An ATM lottery prize That doesn't exist and she's going to get fucked by the IRS, like, in a week. So, the highlight of the film for some people was the flash scene where he rescues the woman on the street. Aren't his clothes supposed to disintegrate? I don't know.

That's why he wears the suit. Yeah, I'm not sure. Maybe. Then he puts a wiener in his pocket. Yeah, all the weaners flying around. That scene was okay, but it's been done better in X-Men movies. Mm-hmm. And also Spider-Man, too.

I don't fucking know. Like, just seems like one of those scenes. Well, like a direct comparison, any movie with a guy, you know, in slow motion running around. Yeah, Quicksilver in Days of Future Past and Apocalypse, even. Those scenes, you know, they're in my review. I'll show this side by side. I mean, I guess it's fine, though. Like, I don't like all the lightning and shit around the flash.

See, I like that scene. I think it's a good way to establish that character. It's one of the better scenes. I think the casting is a real problem for that one. It's not the right tone. Maybe it's the dialogue more than the casting. Oh, man. The jokes are really lame.

But the other scene in Justice League, that scene is completely removed in the original cut. And it's replaced by some dumb scene where he, like, I don't know. He goes to, like, the jail, I think, and he fills out a form. Like, that was it. Like, it sucked the scene. It was so pointless. And, like, he draws, like, a dumb face on a guy with, like, marker.

Mm-hmm. That's it. So, this was better. definitely. Oh yeah, God, I'd forgotten about that entirely. Yeah, it's because it's... And the action scenes at the end where he's like racing Superman and stuff like that? That's not in this version. Oh, yeah.

That sounds fun. There's no post-credit scenes or anything like that. Like, they didn't do any of that crap. They didn't do post-credits. They just did like the most long and drawn-out dream sequence at the end of the movie for no reason. Yeah, they did a bunch of endings. Well, like, there's the scene with Lex Luthor. That scene is a post-credit scene in the...

Josuian version. So, like, Jesse Eisenberg's like on a boat, right? And he's visited by Deathstroke. I think that's... Because there's, you know, there's a bunch of dead guys. Whatever. Deadpool. Who's the guy Will Smith is... Dead shot?

Dead shot. Hancock. And this is Deathstroke. Yeah, he's like a Batman villain. Yeah. So they're sending him up for a future movie, but it's like, okay, that's not going to happen. And it's also stupid because you've just a... You've just shown off the biggest threat in the universe,

then you're de-escalating to this little guy with this sword. It's a strange way to do it. Yeah, Lex Luthor. Oh, no, he's, like, really cringe, and that's how he's going to kill them. They're going to die from cring. Because, of course, yeah, it's not even a complete story, really, because it has so much setup in it,

which was clearly shot with them planning this. Was it going to be a trilogy or just two parts? I can't remember what their extensive plan was, but it was obviously all abandoned. And it is one of the worst things about it beyond the obvious dialogue and the breadth and everything. But I'm glad I watched it to be honest. I don't have the just pushback against it for some reason.

I'm okay with this existing. I'm glad it exists. I love that this project came together and were able to talk about it. But I'm not really connected to it beyond the kind of meta story of it all. And the fun really isn't the comparisons for me. Yeah. I just find studio fuck-ups on this scale to be just utterly fascinating to me.

True. Even if this wasn't compared to anything else, this would still be a fascinating movie. If all of a sudden Warner Brothers was just like, let's just let Zach Snyder do whatever he wants. And there was no reason for it, sure. That would be equally fascinating to me. And the way the pandemic kind of affects the fact that it came together. It probably never would have, you know, been made if not with the fact that we've been flung into these ridiculous circumstances.

Yeah. Do you think there's any chance of them continuing it? Because it has had a surprisingly positive. Yeah, true. Yeah, and that might be the challenging thing. But what if they propose something for HBO Max or whatever? Because I don't know. I don't know.

I can see them doing that in very. best, like, if you look at what, like, Netflix spends on their original programming, for example, is, it's obscene. They're, like, always spending way more than they make, but that's the way... Like how much? Oh, like, hundreds of millions for these shows. Like, I've been watching the Crown recently, and the, like, the cast and the budgets are just ridiculous. Yeah. So, I, I think the funding, like, the, the, the business model is a little bit different with the streaming content compared to the way, you know, the, the budgets of the, the theatrical, movies come together. I could be wrong on that.

Superhero movies are still really expensive though. They would still be more expensive because this is like I don't know this this is four hours compared to like a mini series of being like 10 hours right and then on top of that this is like they were able to justify this

by spending $70 million on top of a movie that was already made so they're like expensive doing the whole four hour thing was 70 million not the 70 plus how much 100, 200 million like what the budget of the original Justice League, I don't know. 250, 300, was it?

Yeah, like 300 million. Yeah. So, I don't know. To spend like 3 to 400 million on a four-hour movie doesn't seem economically feasible, especially for HBO Max right now. They're not making as much as Netflix. Yeah. Well, yeah, they didn't need to spend that much money to make this project come together.

Yeah. It was just a logistical fuck-up on a scale. I guess so. Like, just imagining the money burning is sad, but. But it's just a big property. Like, there's going to be a ton of money spent just to make it, you know. Yeah, and I think it's about the subscription numbers. There's a lot of cooks in the kitchen.

Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, a movie usually costs. Like, those Avengers movies are usually $300 million. It's usually a lot more money than $100 million. But they can make it work. I mean, who the fuck knows? If they replace fucking what's his face as the Flash. Ezra?

Ezra. if they replace him with Nathan Fielder the whole movie is so much better My roommate gave me that idea And about halfway through the movie Because I was just mad watching The Flash I was actually upset But after that moment

I just imagined Nathan Fielder instead Like every single line was like It's funny now Like it now it works Next time you watch The Flash Next time you watch Justice League, just imagine it's Nathan Fielder instead of Ezra Miller. And it's a better movie.

It's a life hack. Hacked it. Hacks the financial institutions. Yeah, I suppose the most likely way it's going to be wrapped up is in a comic or something. I guess. But I'm just thinking from the kind of business perspective when it has had a big reaction. They kind of owned the internet for a little bit. and it's still rippling on now,

but we don't know on the back end just how much that's equating to numbers going up on a graph. I'm assuming they see a blip, HBO Max. I'm assuming they see a subscriber up from Justice League.

Yeah. Why not? It's like a part of a broader conversation. This is what I don't understand. It's like, apparently everybody in the world saw the original Justice League, and it still just didn't make money. I don't know.

I'm the only person that didn't, but apparently it was just not a financial success. Somehow everybody's seen it, and it didn't make money. Okay. It didn't live up to their expectations either. Everybody needed to see it twice. That's right, because they always have obscene expectations, too. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that.

Like, what were they expecting on a $300 million movie? Like, they'd have to do... Billion. Like, Marvel Avengers numbers. Yeah, which is what they wanted, of course. They just couldn't read a room. Yeah. No.

It's baffling. Yeah. Yeah. The fight scenes were just way too comical at the end. Because like every single time Wonder Woman showed up on screen. Every single fucking time. And it was just like a punchline. It was just so funny and bad.

Yeah. That was a strange decision. Because they already established kind of... The original Wonder Woman themes kind of funny when they first. put that into BVS to me and now they've kind of taken it to the next level. Yeah, with all the chanting.

Well, what'd you think of the movie? It was a 10 out of 10? Like ratings? Yeah, rating this is tough for me. I'm torn between a two star or a two and a half star. Honestly, I fully can't

decide yet. Because of the interesting part of this movie, the enjoyment I get from it is not from the movie itself really it's kind of the whole story around it which is a unique like how do you rate it based on that i might have to sit on it a bit more but that's kind of my guts telling me right now it's it's got some stuff if you're if you're a real fan of some of these characters there will be moments you'll you'll enjoy and appreciate and there's some good stuff here and there but it's it's four hours long it's there's so much stuff that doesn't need to be in there

there's so many bad scenes, there's so much bad dialogue, so much awful stuff in there. I don't know who I'd really recommend this to. The people who love it already know they love it, you know, and they've already found it. They wanted to love it. Well, I'm not going to rate it now, but it would be, I agree with a lot of what you said. Yeah. Save a rating for the future. I rate Jared Leto's scene 10 out of 10.

That was great. It's really funny, really Yeah, it's great acting Yeah Went on for a long time It's a long movie I saw it in two sittings It was like a

Affinity War and then Endgame Yeah, I had to take a break Yeah I don't know how many people watched it Four hours in a row Who knows Yeah, I'm

Fucking removed The CG Mustache correction for Superman and then they gave a CG mustache to the flash at the end. So that's cool. Three out of ten. Oh, yeah, I really didn't understand that.

Was that a different actor? Like, it didn't even really look like a... He just probably didn't grow a mustache because he needed to be not mustached for another role, and they forgot that prop and makeup exists. So they just did CG. Every now and again, I go and just look up screenshots from the original Justice League, like mustache stuff, close-ups.

It seems like so much. fun. I really want to watch it. It's... It's hilarious. Making fun of it are, yeah. Yeah, really funny. Yeah. That was like the DC universe is like...

I was like Stonewall. You know, they had to fight back. Those shots are completely pointless too. Like, they don't add anything. It's just a bunch of dumb jokes. Yeah. Yeah, and trying to like desperately real Superman back to being what Josh Whedon wanted him to be. Necessary reshoots.

Done with this shit. We had a recommendation from Alex, a British man. Did you give a rating, Adam? I said three. Oh, sorry. That's all right. Out of five? Six out of ten.

Three out of ten. We all watched two movies that Alex recommended. Take it away. Spoiler discussion. Yeah, so, yeah, spoilers for Paddington one and two. This is my recommendation. Paul King's movies based on the famous Chorchran's book. And honestly, I somehow miss these movies despite them being Paddington's such a British icon.

I was kind of, I always looked away from these movies for two main reasons. One, I never, I didn't read the Paddington books or really had any connection with him as a child. So I didn't care about that. And secondly, just seeing like the odd screenshot or, or like the trailer in cinemas and stuff, I just assumed it was going to be one of those, you know, one of those kind of based on children's books

or cartoon characters like Woody Woodpecker type shit films. Hop, something like that. Yeah, like hop to it. Yeah. I was kind of blown away by the approach of these two movies. They're very simple. They're obviously aimed for children. And it's just about a bear from Peru

who comes over to London, Paddington, and has kind of Mr. Bean antics and adventures, and it's all very whimsical and like a children's storybook brought to life. I really enjoyed these two movies. I guess we can start with the first movie, Paddington, before we move into two, which is more about, you know, it's his origin story effectively with him coming over

and is the Pixar kind of opening with, the uncle dying and it forcing the story over and it's him learning to appreciate what home is and family themes and everything you know and obviously the main focus is on the kind of the story but comedy of it and I think they're very well written they're very charming I was laughing out loud at points in in both of them and there's some real great gags we can get into but I was really pleasantly surprised by Paddington and how much heart it has and just how much thought they put into all the reincorporation and just the the writing and the wittiness of it there is so much just purity to it I really enjoyed it yeah I like these movies I like both

these movies they're very charming I'd seen the first one when it came out in the theater oh so yeah I don't know if I was like like, oh yeah, this looks good. So we actually had a fun experience watching it there. The audience enjoyed it. It was clearly like, yeah, it's a funny movie. Paddington's a goof. I looked up if he came out before Winnie the Pooh.

Winnie the Pooh came out way before. It was like the 1920s. I noticed the comparisons with like the marmalade and the honey. Suspicious. I don't know. It's like a British knockoff of like, yeah. But it's really well made. Yeah.

You got revenge with. office. Yeah, we'll talk about the Wes Anderson comparisons, I think, with both movies in terms of how they're shot. I think that's what they're going for. But, I don't know, it didn't even really bother me, necessarily. At least it wasn't just shit.

It wasn't, like, a bunch of dumb jokes and, like, references. I think they'll age well, like, because they're just, they work on their own. They're very British, too. Sorry, I've got to address the Winnie the Pooh thing. Winnie the Pooh is British, isn't it? Yeah, it is.

It's a Disney thing. Yeah, I think it was, the original books are British. Oh, yeah. Okay, well, there you go. We got both. I thought it was like Canadian. British Canadian? You'll learn it.

Yeah, it's a little bit of everybody. But Paddington's like the really British version of him. What country invented Winnie the Pooh? Well, A.A. Milne is English. Oh yeah, here's why Okay, he was renamed after American Black Bear in London Zoo called Winnie who got her name from

The fact that her owner had come from Winnipeg Canada, that's why Because there are these weird like PSAs That exist on Canadian television They were like a part of our heritage, right? And so it would be like Did you know that this happened in Canadian history? This tiny little skit that would be

Showed on television during commercial breaks or whatever and one of them was like this little kid and like a zoo he's like hey i want to call it poo bear and then it was like okay and that's how they got the name winnie the poo and i was like oh so that's why i thought it was like baby kitty because it was like yeah winnipeg that's funny so it's like it's related it's related i put it in english author there you go at least i wanted to bring up one of the poo anyway it's definitely what i saw. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Doesn't take itself too seriously, very self-aware, very creative with how it presents scenes and sequences. I don't know how much detail there was in the book. So I don't know how much was directly lifted from that in terms of style or set pieces or anything like that, how much of it was just the director. But either way, it's just nice that like something that does present itself. in kind of a non-serious but creative way is able to get funding.

And obviously there's a budget and there's name actors, you know, big C.G. Bear and all that. And it didn't seem like there was this common mistake of a studio turning a property like this into just an absolute dog-shit piece of movie. I think that part of what really saved the experience for me also is I was imagining if they decided to have Paddington's voice actor be a child instead? Because the age is a bit ambiguous. He's like a young bear, but he has an adult voice actor. And I think that that kind of really helps for me, because I would be annoyed the entire

time if it was a dumb child voice, right? I don't know if you feel that way. No, I totally agree with you. I think the decision to have, the way they incorporate kids in the movie is having them be more side characters that they are still somewhat important and they have their own little mini beats and payoffs, but I think that way of doing it is much better. And just the way the film, they build on themselves. Like in Paddington, too, there's a bunch of payoffs from the first movie.

It's all very, very creative, as you said, and so much work was put into the presentation of it. I mean, I was very, very blown away by the visual effects work for Paddington in particular. Because I'd seen very little from this movie and just the grounded way they decided to film. the way Paddington interacts with the environment he's often holding or interacting with real things in the environment so it really grounds him and I thought it worked very well yeah especially when it came to like the the Mr. Bean fish out of water action sequences and silly moments like that it worked really well with the I was really impressed with the visual effects in particular yeah the look of Paddington's awesome yeah and just kind of organized the scenes and set pieces and, you know, kept the visual effects in mind. You know, like, there's the shot where, like, the tub is, like, going down the stairs or whatever, and then it cuts to the expression of the family members at the table going, and they all give stupid faces as the tub enters the kitchen,

but you see it from Paddington's perspective, and you see a real tub that they just dollied forward. You didn't even need to have CG there. It was just, you know, you just saw the CG bear, so you imagine it's behind it. It's just, it flows well. It's well put together from a filmmaking perspective. And the Britishness of it can't be understated. Oh, yeah. It's obviously Paddington is quintessential kind of polite British guy.

It's very charming because he's got his quirks, like the recurring joke. The hard stare when someone's rude to him and he's all about politeness and what's prim and proper. But the humor comes from the fact that he's a bear and the absurdity of a bear just existing in a human world is funny for everyone. It's very charming. It seemed, everybody just treats it like a normal Wednesday. They're like, yeah, there's some bears. Whatever. I think the hard stare is like probably my favorite moment from both films. I'm glad they did it. Yeah. I was so glad it came back in the second one, yeah, because that is a great gag. It was like slightly meaner looking. Yeah. My favorite gag in the, in the first movie was relating to the villain character, who was kind of a cliche,

kids movie villain type archetype where they're the they're like the animal hunter type where she's all about mounting heads on the walls but in the scene where it shows all the mounted heads and then it shows the other side of the wall and all of the bodies

are on like the other side of the wall. I thought that was such a funny joke purely visual they don't linger on it or ruin the like humor of it. They know what to focus on and what to build on. And as I said, I really like the reincorporation of the way silly jokes,

like the one in my head right now is actually from Paddington too, but where just throw away gags like Paddington shaving someone's hair by accident. Comes back later, it builds on the story. And I like that kind of writing. It makes everything feel conclusive and come together at the end really satisfyingly. And I also like the effort just to give every character their own little bit of personality, their own quirks. The dad character's funny in the first movie being like a risk assessor and his little arc going out of his comfort zone is cute.

And yeah, they're all given just enough. And it's just so expertly crafted. It's funny. It's genuinely funny, yeah. Yeah. I'll agree with you that the marketing didn't do a good. great job for me anyway. Like, I guess it made money, got a sequel, so maybe they marketed

it correctly. Yeah, that's probably why I avoided it. In the U.S., I didn't expect it to be that successful. Yeah, because I did see a trailer for it way back when, and I was like, uh, uh, uh, yeah. And I guess it could have done better if it was like, you know what I was picturing, like the dumb kind of, like the illumination version of this. Yeah, he's like, you know, doing like, yeah, it's stupid, you know, like fucking dumb gags or like he references some meme like some

some bullshit like that yeah he dab like nonsense like that he has a big pen I don't know whatever they do that would be funny but here he's like yeah completely innocent

none of the humor will age poorly none of it will be dated probably because it's like silly fun gags that are it's very innocent yeah like the tub yeah super innocent and all that yeah exactly and they're well done

it's a very sleek movie it's very well made you can't take away from like how well made it is so yeah I can see why people like connect to it yeah another reason I'd avoided it too because I wasn't sure if it was going to be one of those come to London you know movies

you know in the style of like you know there's Adam Sandler movies where they go to like casinos and they're like trying to encourage you to go somewhere for like a tourism thing but it doesn't feel like that it's way more pure and it's trying to get to the heart of what London's all about. And they get it a lot better in the second movie. I do think the first movie is actually significantly weaker than the second one to me,

but I still did really enjoy it. I think both are about London or like the UK. Definitely like that culture. That's a huge part of what I thought they were about. And Paddington's like... And it has basically every English character actor working. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's too. I recognized a lot of people in it. Yeah, you got Peter Capaldi's a major character in the first movie. He's kind of like a side villain. Weird hearing him not do a Scottish accent, but he's funny. Julie Walters is in it. Ron Weasley's mom. Apparently. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Sally Hawkins, of course. I knew her.

Yeah, I didn't know she was in it before watching it. Same with Nicole Kidman. I didn't realize Ben Winshaw was Paddington either. Like, he's a... Great casting. I think his voice is perfect for Paddington. Yeah. Because it was originally going to be Hugh Grant, wasn't it?

Oh, weird. And Hugh Grant's the villain in the second one. Yeah. Yeah, I think he actually declined it. He said he wasn't right for it himself, I think, which is quite good. Because when he came back in two, it's like, yeah. We'll talk about that in a bit, but... Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I, um... I like that they actually kind of got me with a gross out moment with the licking the earwax thing. I didn't think they would go that far. It seemed like a bit much. It was like, it's really disgusting. This is actually really gross. You got me. I was kind of impressed.

Yeah, true. Yeah, I love the cartoony nature of the villain. I think that it's like just, just teetering over the top enough that it's like so clearly self-aware. rather than just being stereotypical child movie villain it's like okay this is kind of a joke this is kind of you know for laughs and it's the kind of humor that works

for both kids and adults I'd say there are more jokes for adults in the second one but there's plenty here too and yeah just the you know the Mr. Beanish nature of him just bumbling around and like getting into antics because he's a bear in like a human environment it is just funny

I also thought that the guards reading the Oreo nutritional information was kind of funny. In such a way that if it were a product placement, which it probably was, I'm not even mad at it. Because it's like, yeah, it's kind of funny. It's like used in the scene. And it's not just, you know, it's not just a distracting product placement.

It's like, oh, okay, this is kind of funny. One of the other reasons I'd avoided this movie before was because the director, Paul King, he directed this this like sitcom this awful sitcom that was quite big in the UK called Come Fly With Me

and it's actually been taken off BBC I player and stuff because it's so like so like crass and just you know not funny so I always associated him with that project

so I always avoided it but this really has spun me around on him and what he's capable of. What are your biggest criticisms with the first movie? I think the plot is simple to a degree where it's, and it leans to kids so far that as an adult there were points where I was like, yeah, that's definitely a gag for kids,

like lots of slapstick humor, some works better than others. Yeah. It is just extremely simple to me. Yeah, exactly. It just doesn't, it didn't like blow me away. Exactly. I don't have like any criticisms with it. Yeah.

I really feel like these movies. movies are quintessential kids movies. Like if I had kids, I would definitely show them these movies. I think they're great kids movies, like just in line with your toy stories or whatever. I think this joins the pantheon. But even for kids, like it's not like a, I don't know, it's about adults a lot. You know, like there's not a lot of, I guess they have like the kids and the family, but you have the Paddington Bear. And especially in the second movie, you know, it's focused on all these adult characters like Nicole Kidman and like, you know, the villain. and the parents and the neighbors

and all them. I don't know. I like E.T. because it's all just like about you know, like I'm young. I want to watch like kids going an adventure where like they find some alien or something. I don't know. Like that. I don't know. The bear's the central character. I guess this is very British. Yeah. That's what

gives it a unique feel. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just trying to think of like anything. If they'd given like, I don't know, the son and the daughter more character. Like even in the Incredibles. Like I really like dashed violet. I don't know. There's nothing about them that really stood out. I'm happy with the amount of character they gave the kids in this because I, they weren't bad actors. They were suitable for what they needed to do, which is great for a kids movie having kids in them.

Usually they're terrible. But yeah, I, you know, it kind of helped it feel a bit more unique because so many kids movies probably couldn't help themselves and would make it literally all about. the kids and make it, you know, have it be too much of the story. That's what gave it a uniqueness. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe the moral of Paddington's like, I always compared him like to growing up like becoming an adult like trying to adjust to the adult world like trying to do things that adults do and like constantly fucking them up like getting a job and he like cuts the guy's hair off or you know like stuff like that. So maybe it's like the kid kind of imposes himself on to Paddington. That's like I guess the point of it. I could just be talking out of my ass, but that's just something I felt like trying to find a criticism out of it. I'm like, yeah, for a kid, I could see a kid being bored because it's like it's a bunch of adults. Yeah, there might be like an age threshold. Really?

I think it's the humor. Yeah, I would say there is an age threshold with this, like an ideal one. Yeah, maybe not four years old. Yeah, I don't think I would watch. I could think super kids would enjoy this, but they couldn't like comprehend. many of the things going on. There's definitely subtlety. There's too much subtlety.

I'm saying it's like too good. It's like too well made for like young kids. It's too interesting and like subtle. There's like parts of this that are like surprisingly non-literal because he like walks into the projector screen and it's like the memory. It's like, okay, yeah, an adult understands what's going on because it's just a you know, a non-literal interpretation of him remembering and being like, oh, yeah, I want to go back to Peru. I miss my, you know, relatives or whatever. But like a kid would just be like, why is he

walking into the screen? Is it portal? Like, that's what a kid would, like, the ability to understand like non-literal things in movies is a bit diminished the younger you are. So I think kids would love this just because of the dedication to that fast-moving visual aspect of it. Every time there's some kind of exposition dump. They accompany it with some visual, like you said, like these 2D animations in the second movie or in the first movie they have the kind of dream sequences that keep it visually interesting.

And I think, honestly, I think that's all kids are really after when they're watching the movie. So the fact they went the extra level and actually made the writing hold up and be funny and witty for adults. I think that's what makes this so special. Yeah, it's good art direction. Yeah, really well shot.

Yeah, I would say that, Both movies, maybe the first movie a bit more, I'm not sure, but both movies kind of had parts where I was rolling my eyes, either at the humor or at, you know, the plot devices or conveniences or anything like that. And it's like, yeah, it's a kid's movie, whatever. Yeah, I could have done without the Mission Impossible gag. That was probably my least clever. Yeah, some of the gags are a bit obvious. Yeah, it just seems like a bit late to be throwing in Mission Impossible. Like 2014.

This is my name in Bear, and then he tries to do it. he's like, I am very offended. It's like, that's, that's, that's every four-year-old's attempt at writing humor. Like, come on. Like, that's way too obvious. Yeah, that's definitely one for the kids. But whatever. It's not the whole movie.

There's so much more going on that I appreciate that I'm able to look past that a bit and be like, yeah, some parts don't work as well as others. You know, that's just, there's plenty of things I love that fit that description. So. Lots of good chase. and action scenes in these movies. I was very impressed by the action. Oh, yeah. They're like exciting, thrilling movies.

On top of being very emotional, it's like all kinds of peaks and valleys of emotion. I don't know. The second movie, I think, had a bit better action. Like, the train sequence, like at the end, it reminded me like Indiana Jones or uncharted, like some kind of shit like that. I think that's probably the best done.

That's the very end, though. You got to up the end. ante. I mean, they did have him like almost falling into like a pit of fire in this movie so. Yeah. Like that looked pretty dangerous. In the second one they just straight up

showing, they show that woman like fall to her death. Oh, which one? In the second movie, in that flashback, there's the woman who like in the circus kind of scene. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, she doesn't, it's not like she was a splattered body or anything.

They just said she died. Oh, yeah, yeah. But still, it's like horrific. But I mean, like, even in the first movie, it's like, you, the villain cuts the guy loose while he's, like, handcuffed upside down and falls into the water. Like, the implication is he died probably. Like, maybe a kid wouldn't understand that, I guess. But, like, I don't know how he got out of that one. He wasn't shown later in the film being perfectly okay. So he probably died.

I was actually surprised because, like, they could have had the villain die, too, but they showed her. hanging on to the ledge at the end. Either way it would have worked. It is funny that the drunk grandma kind of saved the day, though. I liked her little contributions to the plot. And the way he defeats

him is that recurring gag with the pigeons, which is another example of the reincorporation I quite like. Yeah, that reincorporation I was like a little bit less surprised by. I think that there are probably better examples of reincorporation in the second movie. Yeah, I definitely

definitely notice it more on the second one. So yeah, I'm ready to talk about that whenever, honestly. Yeah, I think we've pretty much covered the first one. I mean, it is a very simple kids movie, but that's all it needed to be, and they've really put a lot of heart and soul and effort into making it the best it could be. I mean, I don't know what else you could really want from a Paddington movie. This is the way you adapt a kid's story into a movie. I think it's pretty much perfect for the kind of intent and what they were going for. I would give it a 7 out of 10 know personally. I did have some emotional resonance from it, but not as much from the second.

I much prefer that one. What did you guys give the first one? I feel about the same. It was funny. Yeah, it's charming. I mean, it definitely, I saw it in a theater. I didn't even know who Paddington was. So, like, somehow it crossed that threshold where it's just, yeah, it's like a charming

little film. Little kids, I think they would prefer to watch Shrek or something. I don't know. I'd give it a 7 out of 10 as well. They just want like loud, dumb humor, you know? Or at least that's what I wanted. Somebody. Smash mouth.

Yeah, like fucking farting in like the pond. This is fine. Very British. Very British. Great art direction. I love the addresses in the sky above the buildings as he's like looking for M. Clyde. You know, they're written in his own writing. The taxi.

and then it's taxidermist when you open the door. That was kind of funny visual gag. What really helps the movie is just it's very clearly self-aware. Like when they do the flashback and he's like, we're removing your membership to the guilds of explorers. And like every single character there is just so clearly over the top. It's like, what's this special? Did he do the crossword?

Yeah. There's just a lot of great stuff at it. It doesn't treat you like you're stupid. And yeah, it's unpretentious. It's great. It's fun. Seven out of ten. I enjoyed it.

Yeah, because it gets tiring when people, they assume kids are really stupid, so they make their, like, minion bullshit. But, like, kids are smarter than you give them credit for. I think you can write movies like Paddington, and you'd be surprised by the things they'll pick up, and when they revisit and the kind of, there's, like, Shakespeare references and stuff

that maybe they'd, like, learn this. It's really cute Minions movie has made more money I don't even have to look that off Yeah I guess like chicken nuggets of legs They're just more appealing Well because they have like nothing to them Yeah

Like this is about British culture and something Like minions is about nothing Like there's no reason not to watch Paddington stands for something He's got like a moral code There's nothing to turn someone off from it Minions you know Mm-hmm

Paddington is like ages 7 and up and minions is like seven and below. Yeah. Or like 10 and below. I don't know. Depends on the kid. I don't know. Plenty of adults that love minions.

Oh, yeah, true. A lot of grandma. You know, I think it might just be like because if they... Seenile people. If they put like a minion sticker on their fridge or a minion sign on their line, then their grandkids come over and they're happy. You know? It's like, they give them candy and stuff.

It's like, love me. I don't know how much of it is genuine love for minions I have no idea there might be a few anyway Paddington too Paddington goes to prison yeah Paddington two came out in 2017 three years later

and yeah the story is that the McGuffin was Hugh Grant's pop-up book with the silly codes and everything but the real heart of the story is Paddington. His goals are established early in the movie. He wants to get a present for his auntie back in Peru, which is the pop-up book and antics ensue. This time Hugh Grant's the villain.

He's like a washed-up actor. It's like a funny kind of meta-joke. He's got all his pictures of himself, and his downfall is his own ego. He's one of those kind of characters. and it's a very funny approach. Yeah, it kind of ramps up everything from Paddington 1 to me. It feels like an improvement in pretty much every way.

I feel like the jokes are better. I feel like the reincorporation is a lot better. I think the story's better. I think it's way more ambitious. It does more things that I wasn't expecting. The whole prison sequence was wonderful. I absolutely adored that part of the movie. And, yeah, with the action scenes too.

It was like most of the movie was in prison. I had no idea I was going to do that. Yeah, it was totally unexpected, like, the way the story turned that way. Yeah, like, I was not expecting a blending, sorry, Brendan Gleason's kind of arc to come into the movie. I was really pleased about that because he, he's like the antithesis to Paddington. Paddington's like an optimist, and he was a pessimist. So watching him come around was fun. There were a billion cameos.

Oh, it's insane. Yeah, just every English actor you can. think of basically is somewhere in one of these movies. In terms of like improving upon the original, I feel like Hugh Grant, his character being an actor, is probably like the only way they could have improved on the original because like you want to keep the over-the-top nature,

but you don't want to just do the same villain again, right? Yeah. You don't want to just be like, I'm over the top because I'm a villain. It's like, oh, he's like eccentric and theatrical because he's just got a big ego and nobody... cares about his dumb musical shit. Yeah, he's got a bunch of different disguises. Yeah. He could do magic.

He can disappear in a puff of smoke. I guess he's like an entertainer. He's like hitman, isn't he? The way he's like putting on costumes and sneaking into place. It was funny when he was like in the room of like all his different disguises and he was talking to them. The master of disguise. Yeah, those are a little. I'm like man,

this guy's a freak. But yeah, he was quite good of the movie. Yeah. I like them. Yeah, it was a funny video. Yeah. Yeah, the line actors are the most devious people on the planet made off. And all these actors saying it, and it's just kind of meta. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it got some good chuckles out of me of the movie. The dog food commercial is funny too. Like, that was, it's, I'm like, oh, yeah, it's. Yeah, exactly. Like anti-humor almost. But yeah, it worked. When that hairdresser scene started, because Paddington gets a job,

being a hairdresser, I was kind of expecting it more to be, you know, one of the throwaway slapstick moments, but as I mentioned earlier, ends with him messing up the haircut and it being a whole gag. That was like a Mr. Bean skit. It was totally like... I mean, it literally was. There was a Mr. Bean hairdresser one where he like accidentally shaves off and tries to like put it back on. But that's what it was going for.

Yeah. Almost a little too similar if you ask me. Well, no, because they wanted to focus on that comedy bee because it's very funny. Yeah. And it's so different. The fact the absurdity of a bear, like he's like wrapped up in the wire. the vocal performance with him going, like, it's very comical.

The way they ended it with him licking the hairy marmalade off of that old man's bald spot, it hit the gross out quota. Probably the same interval in the film is the first movie. I was like, oh, this is like kind of the same beat,

like I'm really grossed out right now. Okay, you did it again. Yeah, like you said, it was an improvement. There's a lot of the same beats, but they're improved. Like, I like the villain way better this time. I thought Hugh Grant's like a much funnier villain. Yeah, the visually it's better, the action's better. A lot of ways, yeah.

I love the whole prison bit, yeah, because I totally didn't see that coming from like, I didn't expect Paddington to go to prison. And they kept it light even then. There's a lot in this movie that they follow up on. You know, even the playing with the steam engine model train thing at the beginning is incorporated later. That's right. He's operating a real train.

Maybe I'm just not remembering. Did they ever do anything with the J-Dog thing? Like the, like, I'm going by J-Dog now. He just had a silly costume at one point when they're going to the carnival. Like, it looked like some Tim and Eric shit with the stupid glasses and T-shirt. But that was never really used for anything, was it? Yeah, there's the, uh, he gets that really funny line at the end. What was it?

I'm not J-Dog, and I love steam trains. Yeah. Oh, oh, yeah, it's a part of his, like, character realization. Okay, yeah. The delivery of it is funny. Yeah, I must have forgotten. I really liked that moment. I thought that was a funny line.

Okay, good. Yeah, there's some good lines in this. There's a grievous barbarly harm. I found funny when he was being read his sentence. Yeah, that was great. The moment where Brendan Gleason, literally there's like this disturbing shot of like, P.O.V. You're in a prison and you were just woken up by a. big, a big large man that's like threatening and he says, wakey, wakey,

it's marmalade time. It's like, holy shit. This is like, this is supposed to be a play on like prison rape in this kid's movie, right? Like, that's what they were going for, right? I don't know, because that's what it seemed like. It seemed like it literally seemed like, wakey, wakey. Like, it's, it definitely took the absurdity to the max, but that's what makes it work so

well. just the comical nature of him accidentally, like, dying all of the, like, the outfit's pink and then all being pissed at him. And then when he makes the marmalade and just wins them all over, it's just so childlike and funny, yeah. Holding hands in a circle, I love that. These fucking pink. And, like, at the end when, even the, there's, there's payoffs, like, in the credit sequence with the Hugh Grant, like, doing his musical number and stuff with the, and making the prison look all. Oh, yeah. That's fun.

Like, nice. We've like flowers and stuff. I think that the only jokes that did age, and they were in the first movie and in this film, were kind of just like the, ha-ha, it's a man dressed as a woman thing. It was like, I don't, just, it's not even, I don't know. Is that really that funny?

It's just like kind of boring. Yeah. Yeah, I felt it was weird in the first movie. It was definitely more of a focus. Yeah. There's some plot holes. Yeah. I mean, they wouldn't, they shouldn't have arrested him. They were like logical things I noticed that I've been like, don't matter at all.

The whole plot of the movie, like, he didn't have the property that he claimed he stole. They never recovered anything like that. Exactly. The person who owns the business didn't believe he did it. So it's like, I don't know. Can you really, can you really charge someone with theft if the person, if the person who was stolen from isn't even agreeing that that, you know? It's not like a murder charge.

trial seemed very quick and it was pretty unfair. Yeah. Yeah, the gag was the judge just didn't like him. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. But I mean, like, he shouldn't have even gotten to the judge. Yeah, he might have had some nights. There was no property. Who knows?

Also, like the opening, right? Which I do like, because it sets up him that he becomes like a window washer. Remember, he writes Paddington on the window of like the opening of the movie. But then he writes two. I'm like, okay, so how does he know it's Paddington, too? Like, how does this character know that he's in Paddington to? But it was a backwards two. For him, it wasn't a two.

It was just a Z or a, I don't know, like a, no, it's the same way, isn't it? He was, he wasn't even, I don't know if he was trying to make a number. He would just, just drawing whatever interpretable thing, you know, it was just a symbol that he was just wiping the window. But yeah, that is kind of funny that that kind of gets reincorporated into his window washing thing, which I guess is the one moment where I would kind of have to disagree. with like the, there are no, you know, dumb kind of meme moments or anything. I don't know. The whole window washing with, like, his whole, like, button stuff was kind of like, eh.

It seems like it would belong in, like, one of those shitty movies, you know. Yeah, it teetered for me, but again, I like the execution and the reincorporation at the end where he uses the ladder that he was washing with in the train action sequence. Oh, that's what that was. Yeah. Where did he get the... He brought it with him? I guess so.

Don't you remember early on there's a scene where he has his briefcase and this ladder kind of extends out of it and he and he cleans the whole like the whole streets of London and there's the guy with the dirty windows. I didn't, I didn't catch that. I remember there being a ladder that he used to window clean with. I didn't remember. Yeah, it was like a special gizmo gadget ladder that like assembles itself. No, I didn't catch the gizmo nature of it early on. Didn't realize that was also a reincorporation.

I thought that that was just some like random you know circus ladder that he found on the circus train. The reincorporation goes so deep. Even that coin in the ear. Oh yeah, I love that. It comes back. Yeah. It's so thoughtful the way they assembled it. I think the structure is very good.

And I like how it's used for the phone call too. Like it's actually influencing the plot. And it's not a reincorporation that feels like super cheap because by that point it had already been kind of reincorporated once already. so you're not expecting it to actually be used in a useful way, especially that much later in the film. Yeah. And the ending. I love the ending.

I think it's perfect for the story. It's not even a surprise that it's happening. It's just the perfect ending. It just needed to happen in the story and just the execution of it. Man, made the tears roll for me. I'm not going to lie. Connected me. Yeah.

It had a good punch to it. And it ended right there. Like it was a great emotional... Yeah, so glad it didn't linger. It's just like, yeah, that's the end. That's perfect. It was great emotional beat to end on. It was very cute, yeah.

Yeah, I think that the emotional beats were done better in this film. It felt more logical to get to those moments. You know, like, oh, no, we missed the visiting hour sort of thing. It's like, oh, okay, yeah. Like, you're obviously preoccupied trying to get, you know, for him to... You're trying to get him out of prison, and that would be a logical reason for him to be a logical reason for him to be. set at that moment. They reincorporated the whole, like, you know, in the first movie

he was just, like, out in the rain in, you know, fetal position and now he's, like, in the jail cell. It's, like, the same thing, the same beat, but it felt a bit more natural in this film. Wasn't expecting to hear the words body cheek either. Hearing Hugh Grant say that was quite strange.

The buns cheek. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I got a question for you. Is it actually called pocket picketting in Britain? Pickpocketing. Well, they said pocket picketing In the first movie Pickpocket is what makes sense

But in the first movie they definitely said pocket picketing And I was wondering if that was a British thing Or if that was just a quirky thing I haven't heard that before But the last time I was the The official word on British things I let down the side So I don't even know what to say anymore

Yeah, it was like the kooky store owner Who said it, so I don't know Yeah, it's funny, the vigilante side of Paddington made me laugh where he's like accidentally taking down the pickpocket for his superhands from a peepshire. It's very funny. Yeah.

Does he accidentally save the day in the second movie? No, but he's a vigilante. He's like a sheriff on the dog chasing the criminal. The animation's better in the second movie, too, I would say. Improvement of technology. Yeah, it's 4K incredibly crisp. It looks really good. There's a 4K Blu-ray?

The version I watched was 4K on iTunes, yeah. Nice. Cool. Yeah, it looked amazing. Yeah, the fur is less patchy. There's more polygons. And also, like, the only moment out of both movies that I thought the CG looked kind of bad was in the first movie when he was, like, being smuggled and gets off of the luggage cart near the train platform. And the way the bag looks, it's just like, ah, it just looks so bad.

Yeah, yeah, I know it's just a couple of times. Yeah, largely the visual effects stuff is pretty impeccable to me Just the execution of it And the dedication to really grounding the character And giving him a lot to work with He's in a weird way He's kind of like Indiana Jones

When he boil him down to like Indies like about his whip and Paddington There's even an Indiana Jones reference in the first Paddington Because with his hat And he's all about his marmalade And it's very simple Yeah And he's very pure and represent

presents a goodness. It is funny that they, in both films, kind of like, it's almost like propaganda, how much they try to play up the nutritional value of marmalade. They're like, one marmalade said, which has enough vitamins and nutrients for a bear for the whole day. It's like, oh, fucking big marmalade lobbyists in here. Like, I don't know.

They sneak in that line there, don't they? Oh, yeah. It's a bear, not a kid. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Still. Do you guys enjoy a dash of marmalade now and again? I had some...

I've ever had marmalade. For the first time, like, within a past year. I mean, anyone can make it. It's really easy to make, but... I don't know how easy it is to buy if I were to buy it off the shelf or something. But my aunt sent me some. No, it's like, um, you take fruit, like oranges,

just a bunch of orange juice. You cut up the oranges into like really small slices or whatever. a bit of water, a bunch of sugar, boil it. And it's like almost jam, but it's not. It's like, it's sweet, but it's also kind of tangy because you got the orange peels in there still. And you can eat the orange, like the whole parts of the orange peel and all in there once it's done and settled because it's kind of like almost like a gelatin.

Like it's soaked it. Like it's not difficult to... Yeah, it's like a spread kind of. It's sweet. Yeah, it looks good. It's good. One day. Just for Paddington.

I would recommend. And it's really easy to make. Sure. Sure. Yeah, they can be delicious. Lots of good family recipes. Marmaline. Because that's a gag in the movie in the prison where they ask for pudding.

And then they use their family recipes to cook up pudding. It's just so, so silly. It's so funny. It is weirdly dark that at the end of the film, like Paddington basically accepted his death by drowning, you know? He has that moment where he's like, no, this is it. What else could he have done? He's tried his best. There are many dark scenes.

There's a lot of dark moments. Like when he gets arrested. Yeah, the whole prison thing. But the way it's presented visually, it's fun. Like, the pink suits make this scene funny. And like, that whole prison bit. It was, it did remind me a lot of the Wes Anderson. Yeah, I was going to say.

Like, Grand Budapest, especially. Like, because there was a whole prison break sequence. I love the miniature, the miniature shots in both films. Yeah. It just, it did remind me of that a lot. Definitely. maybe a homage, you know, could say it's all an homage.

It really felt like watching a storybook with the, you know, the vibrant contrasting colors and the framing of everything and, yeah, just the way the movie kind of works. Well, I'm glad you mentioned this storybook scene where like he's going through his storybook, the pop up with his aunt. That's one of the highlights of the film for me.

I thought that whole sequence was great. The 2D animation coming in as well in this one. Yeah, when they were showing like the crime. like what could have happened. Yeah. What the testimony was versus what actually happened. Yeah, that was really awesome. The different, like, it was always visually, like, there was a lot of variety visually.

It was always interesting. Very visually stimulating, yeah. Even if you're not invested in, like, the emotions or the anything characters, like, visually, it is so strong. They put so much thought and work into it. It's so perfectly done in that way. Yeah. You really can't take away from, like, the craft of the movie.

Like, it's just so much. made. Yeah. Great music. Both films. Good music. Didn't feel like inappropriate. Wasn't annoying.

Yeah, never distracting. Yeah. Lots of cameos. There was Richard, Richard Aywadi, and I've never learned how to pronounce his last name. A forensic investigator. Jessica Heinz, which I'm only mentioning because I still don't know if, have either of you seen Space?

I think I asked this a long time ago, and neither you did. I've seen a few episodes. I can't remember it. I've got to go back. It's one of my egregious. So it's just a reminder to watch Spaced. Edgar Wright, Jessica Heinz, Simon Pegg, Nick Frost. It's great.

All right, yeah, I'm pretty much done talking about this. I think we got it. Yeah. I think we got it. Yeah, I mean, I really liked it. They're simple and they're just so clean. Like this, the clean visually, the writing's clean, the witty, the emotional resonance from the second one really got me gone. Yeah, I just really enjoyed it connecting with this character who I'd previously never cared about.

And I kind of get the Paddington hype now. I can, I appreciate the character and what he stands for. And there's definitely a charm about him. And it's the kind of Britishness that I appreciate. The second one especially. Oh, bother. Yeah. The second one especially made a bit more of an effort to kind of show the mixing part of London and all the people on the street coming together to help each other.

You know, this this homely theme of everyone working together and being nice. And if everyone was just nice to each other, there's that, there's that rhyme that Sally Hawkins. Sally Hawkins, sorry. Yeah, it has about being nice. And yeah, it's just, it's very pure and totally appropriate. and incredibly well made. I would give Paddington to a four-star, probably. Bam.

I'd rate it about the same as the other one, even though, like, I think there are significant improvements made in this one. And, like, visually, it's so strong. The technical parts of it are so strong. As a film, I think it's really well done. Yeah. So, like, yeah, 7 out of 10, like 3.5 out of 5. Pretty much with you.

The 7 out of 10. It's a high seven We'll see if that changes Any point A lot of fun A lot of good moments I had genuine laughs From both films

Which is more than I can say About a lot of kids movies Mm-hmm Yeah Yeah child actors didn't annoy me It does really stand out Yeah smiling a lot Yeah

Very inoffensive And just very Pleasant a pleasant Viewing experience Put that on the DVD And give me Paddington's three. Definitely recommend that as a family film. Yeah. Like, you watch that, that's a safe bet, but you'd all like it. Yeah. And I think they're planning a third one. Are they? I wonder if

they were able to pull it together. Yeah, you should do it. Yeah, it has been a while. They did announce it after Paddington 2. Officially in the works, as of February of this year, it says, is this variety.com article. I'm hoping Paul King's attached. Because they, we didn't really mention the budget, because the budget on Paddington 2 was estimated to be about 40 million. Yeah. It's like lower than the first one, if Google is accurate. Yeah. Well, there was a piece of trivia that was describing the first Paddington as an independent movie,

and I wasn't really sure what they meant by that. Independently funded, I guess. I mean, you can have, like, a technically independent movie. Yeah, but it's still, like, 55 million. Yeah, like, the most expensive independent movie ever made was, like, Luke Besant's, fucking stupid Dane Dahan space French. Like, I don't know what the fuck he was doing. Oh, Valerian.

Valerian, yeah. Like, that's like, that's an independent movie, apparently. Oh, yeah. It's just not what you think of when you think indie movie, I know. No. I don't really think of Paddington in that way. Independently funded with producers, just not a studio. That is interesting, actually, that the budget is lower on that second one,

if the estimations are correct. Yeah. The second one, I think, is more impressive visually and, you know, just anything technical. Yeah, I guess there were less sets, probably. A lot of it was in the prison. I suppose, maybe the CG was a bit cheaper. Probably, I mean, like, yeah, improved CG, you know, like, the technology is just better, so it might not have cost as much to make.

They might have just... They'd just outsource it for dirt cheap anyway, don't they? Yeah, just to... The animators less. Yeah. Give half the budget to the actors, and there you go. Yeah. And it was a success. Hopefully number three is good.

Okay, let's head over to the suggestion thread in the Sonocast subreddit. Head over there if you want to leave any question for us. CC Buddy Rider is going to start us off. I have a friend that listens to his favorite movies in the car as if they were audiobooks. I thought that was strange. Then I listened to Naked on a long drive and actually really enjoyed it. My question is, what movies would work well as audiobooks? The Before Trilogy.

Super weird. I've never heard of anyone doing this before. Just talking. The what trilogy, sorry? The Before Trilogy, yeah. Can't do a foreign movie. Yeah, any dialogue heavy. Anything based on a play. I was thinking 12 Angry Men.

Yeah, you could do Doubt. Mm-hmm. Doubt. Yeah, that's based on a play. Yeah, 12 Angry Men's a good example. You're right. Yeah, dialogue-heavy movies Big Flee.

There you go. Nothing with subtitles, you'll crash. Yeah, nothing, you can't do anything foreign unless you speak that language. You could just listen to like an audiobook too, you know, right? Yeah, you can do that. Or you can listen to the subtitled version.

It's definitely not the ideal way. I mean the dubbed version, that's what I meant to say. Listen to the described video for the visually impaired version. If it's a big movie, they'll have that. Yeah. It's in the Star Wars movies. Yeah, I think you nailed it with the play stuff.

That's the only way I can imagine this being a valuable experience. Does Tenet have described video for the visually impaired? Because if I had some, if I, if literally there was like a studio mandated individual that was explaining what the fuck was going on in that movie the entire time, I think I would love to watch whatever version of the movie that is. I got to check to see if the Blu-Rae has that. Holy shit. Yeah, that would be funny. Oh, my God, I got to watch that.

What is it called? Describe the video for the visually impaired. Blind people. movie. Okay. I'll see if they got it. You could listen to podcasts while you're driving?

Yeah. And then you watch the movie after. When you can actually have your eyes on it because it's a visual medium. Yeah. My brother was doing some stupid shit like that at one point. He's just fucking watching. He like hacked his like driver's display or something

so that he could watch entourage while he was driving on the highway. I was like, what? He's changed. Watch entourage on the highway Yeah You could watch crash GGGG-375 as one What's the most try-hard performance of all time

Someone who swung for the fence and failed miserably Jared Luddled Shoker Yeah, he said it Did he really swing Though I think he swung I don't know I think he believes he did

I guess what's the difference at that point Yeah he clearly tried right He was trying his best But it seemed more like an ego trip than a genuine Like performance thing Yeah that's why it didn't work and it's so embarrassing Yeah Like I don't know if he really tried

I think that there's like parts of his psyche that didn't try You know Yeah I don't know how much do you blame Jared Leto For that mess that is like suicide squad Yeah that's the thing Because like he wouldn't have been in charge of choosing that like costume design is because that it started with that really the moment

that was tweeted that joker was tweeted it was over for every the damage it really damaged the character yes that was a huge warning sign that something was not right red flag Eddie Redmayne and Jupiter ascending is a good

example I think because he definitely tries in that he definitely gives it his he's yelling he's not underacted he probably did exactly what the Wachowski's act asked for. It just did not work

very well. And yeah. Yeah, he was giving it 150% wasn't he? Lots of screaming. Would definitely recommend that movie. It's really funny. It gets funnier as it goes along.

The more we see of him screaming, the funnier the movie is. And he screams more as the movie goes along. You could say the exact same thing, actually, about Toby McGuire in the film Brothers. That's another good example that gets funny.

as it goes along because he screams more as the movie progresses. He tries. I think he even got a Golden Globe nomination, but I think he kind of sucked in the movie. It was pretty funny and stupid. Yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen it, so I can't really remember. Yeah, I've got the, I forget which country.

I think it's Scandinavian. There's like an original Brothers movie that it's apparently a remake, and so I kind of want to see what the original was like. Yeah. I'd say that about the new Capone movie with Tom Hardy. I think he's a good actor, but that really didn't, yeah, like that fell off hard. Very weak.

It almost has the reputation of Gotti at this point. It's not quite as bad, but, yeah, like, he's just not that great in it. He's trying really hard. He's supposed to be older, too. Yeah, Gotti's one, I suppose. Yeah, I don't think he was trying at all. Because, yeah, if you're trying is, huh? Yeah, like putting on his cologne.

The ultimate one to me is Jared Letters. Joker. Yeah, I just can't think of anyone else. Exactly. Nothing on that level anyway. At least for a while. Like, that's the most recent example of like a huge performance that just like no one, like that was bad. Yeah, that's it. That's all I could think of. All right. Next. Oh, my God. Sorry. Sorry, before you said. I was just that I was trying to search this entire time just to see if tenant had. described video. There's like a American Council of the Blind website

that has a whole list of them and it seems like Tenet is on there so I'm going to have to snag a copy of that. Good. Okay, so I have the Blu-ray already here, so I'm going to have to look. It says DVD, iTunes and Prime video. I'm going to have to look at that right now, right after this. You'll have to let me know if it's funny.

Yeah, please confirm that for me. I will buy it. Uh-huh. For that. Definitely buy it a night. I'll check it. What are they going to say? How 9 billion has one boris Since Adam has apparently not seen a lot of movies Many consider childhood classics Star Wars Indiana Jones

Back to the Future, etc. In his actual childhood, what are some of the movies you grew up with? Parenthesis, the question is for everyone. Obviously the Lion King. I watched Terminator when I was really young for some reason. Die hard. I guess like, yeah, among the...

I don't know, Jurassic Park, yeah. that shit gave me nightmares I don't think of like the yeah Richie Rich That was a bad movie Fucking Any other kids movies like Lion King Pocahontas

You know I don't know Random Disney movies But there were ones that kind of stuck with me a bit more There was ones that It was called like the The Princess and the Goblin It's not that popular And I rewatched it again as an adult

Before making my childhood trauma Series thing Because I remember being like a bit scared At some of the scenes there It didn't wind up making it into the video. But when I watched the movie again as an adult, I was like, wow, this is actually kind of surprisingly competent. It actually wasn't that bad of a movie for, you know,

a dumb kids animated thing. Yeah, I don't know. There's, I'm trying to think of some that really stuck with me. I guess a lot of them are repressed. I don't know. But, like, I guess if we're going into, like, the genre of, like, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, you know, back to the future, like these gigantic trilogies and stuff. Like, I don't know.

It depends on what age. because I grew up with Lord of the Rings. I grew up with Spider-Man. I wasn't like... Matrix? Yeah, Matrix. Like, yeah, those were the things that I kind of grew up with.

Like, I was still not like a baby. I wasn't like a really young kid when those came out. I don't know if there was like a big, you know, everybody's seeing it trilogy sort of thing that I was super into or exposed to when I was really young. I don't know what age people are asking about, really, so. Yeah, I'd say you answered it

Yeah, there we go Yeah, I mean, for me it is Star Wars, Indiana Jones I did love Back to the Future I loved the Incredibles Iron Giant Oh, what else we took? Love Wallace and Gromit

Yeah Stop Motion Nightmare for Christmas So, I mean, you were both younger than me And so for both of you to be exposed To those 80s trilogies It must have just been Because your parents enjoyed them

And showed them to you, right? Yeah, yeah, my dad showed me Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Because my dad doesn't like Star Wars, so it never happened. Right? So I don't know. He's probably just didn't like those same things. The Phantom Menace would have been the first film I went to the cinema for.

Wow. On the like adverts beforehand, they, um, they showed footage from ET. And I had, like, the childhood trauma from ET. So, like, I started freaking out. And my dad had to, like, take me out. I was only a little kid. Oh, that's so funny. I was like six years old.

So I missed out in the best movie ever, man. I got the episode one Phantom Menace as a VHS for my birthday from my uncle. But I was so young at the time. I kind of feel bad about it, but I was like, I don't like Star Wars. What? You don't like Star Wars? Because it's like, everybody's supposed to like Star Wars. I don't like Star Wars.

Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're cool. What about you, Ruff? I don't know like all the same shit Star Wars I grew up with Pixar

so I would say mostly Pixar I grew up with that stuff as they came out too yeah Star Wars and that stuff I learned from my friends and you know

I got it from my friends and that kind of stuff well of course the prequels were coming out when I was a kid so I was into those yeah yeah I watched those

I'm like oh yeah these are fun because my brain couldn't process that they were terrible you know I was old enough when the prequel

were coming out, but still a kid. I still have memories of, like, the marketing of it and the way people reacted to it. Oh, so do I. Oh, yeah. And I remember, like, fucking little kids in school were like, oh, Yoda's doing flips now. It was actually working. But now it's like, oh, it's kind of fucking stupid. Well, no, it's spinning background now.

Like, oh, it was like the coolest thing ever. Like, they turned it up. he can do flips you actually see him fighting but it's like I don't know kind of it's not great for the character

now but Goosey make a goose face too has one for us do you think that there is snobbery in the cinephile community

what is the best way to curb it absolutely there is have you ever like just look on like letterbox like reviews and like go into the comments

hmm Yeah, I don't know It's one thing to be Confident in your own perspectives and opinions and You know Argue to the to the death over your own justification for how you feel about a film It's another thing to get Worked up over somebody else not sharing the same experience that you did

Yeah, it's the discourse that ruins it And I think the more people that understand that over time The less toxic film discussion will be because there's genuinely unironically people saying like, oh, your perspective is wrong, you know, based off of like literally just an emotional experience, literally just a number with no context, you know, like a five out of ten reading. Yeah, and people get, they forget that people are in different points of their tastes in terms of. There's so many different ways to absorb something like film. It's so broad. It's pointless to start grouping people and mocking people for some. certain things for like, you know, it's categorized as like the first film fans, like their favorite movies like Fight Club and they got the Pulp Fiction poster and stuff. And it's, it's just silly. Like, it's not the way consuming art works. It's pointless to go down to

that kind of level because everyone's on a different playing field. Everyone's experience is different. I don't know what the best way to curb it is. I don't think it's possible online, really. The best way to curb it is to make it really uncool to be one of those people. The best way to curb it is to get enough people being like, whoa, you just said that? That's fucking cringe, bro. That's how a lot of things go. I mean, we've been doing that for years, but, like, it's not stopping people. I don't know.

They just make, you know, they just make some fucking random account and do it anyway. It's not, you can't possibly stop a certain way of thinking globally for every person, right? Yeah. But you can make it so that they're not. as like boldened about it and you know thinking that it's not like yeah stupid thing to say i guess yeah and i mean like the best way you can do that is just within your own community there used to be a lot of people on my gaming channel videos that would be like you're playing the game wrong because you're not doing this in the right order and you're not doing like i would just fuck around and be

like ha ha this is fun i want to do this you know like you're ruining the immersion and i'm like fuck off i'm playing a game right and so i addressed it enough times in my gaming channel that now it's kind of a meme. And because it's kind of a meme, now there, you know, if anybody unironically tries to make that argument in the comments sections, they're downvoted and, you know, other people will be like, oh, God, it's like the meme came true, right? You just make it uncool. And then all of a sudden people are like, oh, I guess this is kind of stupid, you know? If you address it enough times, then eventually, I guess in your own communities, then you can help shape the way that people are critical about their own.

thoughts and about their own perspectives or what they might want to add to the discussion or I think that any way you can get people to be more introspective about their own thought processes is always a good thing and that involves yourself as well I don't know I don't know how to really broach it to be honest it seems so broad like that everyone likes movies and everyone has an opinion on movies you can find any community like that you want for like any film group thing, you know, it's just the way we work. I do agree, though, yeah, you can, I suppose, directly address it in your own community, but I guess I just mean broadly and not sure.

There is no solution broadly. The internet's like for arguing. Yeah. It's not a thing. You have to be comfortable with the fact that other people exist, really. Okay, let's end on this. this one from Pilateau City, bro. Sardies, Sadi, Sadi, Sardies.

Do you think Snyder's impact could actually cheapen the power of the director, considering hisuteur antics changing the aspect ratio to 4-3, releasing a cut that is black and white, are just tacked on for no real reason. Since these elements have been used heavily in advertising of the film, I'm worried that other studios are going to similarly stick on random gimmicks to their movies in post. Films like The Lighthouse or Bates, which actually use the film

making techniques of the past to the service of the story. It could be totally swamped by random wannabies that are just trying to ape Snides. Snydercast. There's some truth to that, but it doesn't really matter, does it? Yeah, I mean, it's just a pattern in the industry. I mean, like, the four by three aspect ratio is just as arbitrary as, you know, any other aspect ratio. I guess one fits your TV better.

Most people have widescreen TVs. I don't know. It's like a creative choice. Yeah, I didn't see any benefit to the superhero genre having four by three like that. I wanted to see more of the screen, that's for sure. I don't know how many studios are actually going to do that, though. We'll see. Is it such a massive financial success, Snyder Cut?

That's why I want to know. I don't think so. People are talking about it, but there are no box office numbers to, like, reflect it. because it's all in a streaming platform, so you never know. Would people have seen it if it was in theaters? I don't know. Wasn't it in theaters also? Wasn't it dual?

Or was it just exclusively on HBO Max? I don't know. I thought it just came out HBO Max. I mean, if it was in theaters, that's cool. I think they want to do like an IMAX run at some point. Yeah. To fucking get it in some film festivals. In our discussion, we barely even mentioned the aspect ratio.

Screen it and can. Yeah, because it's pointless. Yeah, it's pointless. Yeah, it's just the fear when anything kind of booms into success out of nowhere, the copy of cats are inevitable. You know, we're seeing it with video game movies now. I just heard today, Ghost of Sushima's getting a movie, Sniper alone, something's getting a movie.

Yeah, they're really, like, jumping on that now. I don't think that the experience of the lighthouse is going to be cheapened by other movies deciding to be four by three. perhaps other people that don't really think about why a choice is made for a film will conflate the two of them and be like, oh, it's just the same thing. I don't care about those people. They're not going to influence my opinion over a film. It's not going to change how I feel about the movie.

They can believe whatever they want. It doesn't matter. Dang on. Yeah. Excellent. All right. Thank you. Did it.

For the questions. I can eat some omolade. It's time for a film recommendation. and the recommendation is actually coming from a guest that is going to be on the next episode and that guest is Shafrellas. What? Happy 1 million subs.

They wanted to talk about Whiplash, Damien Chazel. I haven't seen it for a while. Nice. There's a 4K Blu-ray now. I'm excited to see what it looks like on 4K. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, there is.

I totally got to get that because I don't own it, actually. Yeah. Yeah, we'll talk about Whiplash next time. and also probably chaos walking, because that will be out before the next episode in a digital form. Okay, okay. I let them know that I'm going to want to talk about chaos walking too. They said they'll try to catch it.

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