Sardonicast - Sardonicast #84: Chaos Walking, Whiplash (feat. Schaffrillas Productions)

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

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Three, two, one. Funding for Shea Frillas is provided by nobody today. There's no ads. This is Sardonicast. Hello, everybody. I'm Adam from your movie sex. Who else? I'm Ralph the Movie Maker.

I'm so used to Ralph going second. I'm Alex M.H.E., and you already kind of said who the guest was, but do I introduce yourself? Hello, everyone. My name is Shea Ferrellas Productions, also known as James, and I'm here. I'm really excited to be here. You made it. Hooray.

Happy one million. I did it. Yeah, congrats. Thank you. Yeah, I'm excited. I got something very big cooking in the oven for like a million subscriber special. So it'll be a while before it's done now. But you're kind of late now.

You have to wait for two million. Yeah. It's very late, but still. It's going to be really fun, hopefully. Tell our listeners, who are you and what do you do? Uh, so I am a YouTuber and I do YouTube. Ew. But to, uh, yeah, it's disgusting.

But to, um, elaborate, I make, like, videos about, like, movies, uh, TV shows, video games, musicals, just like all sorts of, like, things, just, like, analysis videos and reviews, that sort of thing. Can you explain what the deal is with your, uh, online persona image? Yeah. Yeah, it's the crab from Moana, Tomatoa, and I am very obsessed with him for some reason. I still don't fully know myself. I just, when I saw the movie, I just really liked that crab.

And I was just like, I'm going to make my entire, like, online persona based around him. Because I just, I don't know. I figured nobody else would, like, I didn't see anybody else really talking about him that much. So I was like, you know what? I need to spread some Tomatoa to the rest of the world. It is a good scene It's my favorite thing from that movie Yeah

It's a good song Yeah I really like it Would you say it's your spirit animal I guess so yeah I mean Literally yeah I suppose What's your favorite thing about being a

YouTuber Yeah probably just the fact that I can Make my own hours And like edit videos when I once And like yeah, just have a lot of freedom in terms of, like, what I talk about and, like, what I do in, like, my day-to-day job. So it's like, yeah, it's just a really fun, like, creative sort of thing to do.

Very true. Are you ever worried if you're basing your online persona off of a Disney character? Are you ever worried that they might send, like, a cease and desist at some point? Sometimes that thought has crossed my mind, but, like, I don't know, at this point, it's, like, too late to go back. on it, I feel like. YouTube actually has like an editor. You could probably blur out every frame if you really needed to.

You don't have to re-upload it. If it really came down to that, you could just blur it out. Every instance of Tomahua in all of my videos is just gone. If that's what you had to do, you could do it. Yeah, I mean, if I had to, yeah, it would take

a while, but yep, to appease the Disney overlords, I guess maybe. Yeah. Someday I might have to. It wasn't trying to make you paranoid or anything I was just curious if you had a plan Or thought about that That's so good That's my thought anyway

It's just like Yeah I'm thinking about it Because I have like a On my Twitch channel I have like a SCAR emote I'm like they'll probably I'll probably notice someday

I don't know how big my Twitch channel will get You know Or maybe they love it Maybe they love it And they love the promotion Yeah You're promoting Lanking. You never know.

I'm promoting Moana. There we go. Yeah. It's like my avatar, like I specifically like made that persona before I made like reviews. It was back when I was just like making YouTube poop videos on my channel. But it's like I didn't really think about expanding to reviews like at the time when I made Tomatoa and my whole brands. But like when I started doing it, I just kind of kept it up. And then if I had started as a review channel from the beginning, I probably would have made my own like.

original persona but it just kind of happened that like I just continued yeah blahma blow up indeed my original character blonick blonick how embarrassing yeah well that takes me back I have some more questions but Ralph and Alex if you wanted to jump in go for it I'm curious on your take on the current state of kind of Disney and Pixar because a lot of your videos are based around that and we tend to talk about that same topic a fair amount. Yeah. Quite a critical lens, so I'm curious what your kind of broad take is on it.

Yeah, I've grown a lot more, like, cynical towards Disney and Pixar lately. Like, Moana was the last Disney movie that I, like, really loved, like, everything else since I haven't really liked that much. And Pixar, it's like, they make a really good movie occasionally. Like, I like Coco and Soul and that sort of thing. but for the most part Pixar is kind of the same I feel like it's just kind of mediocre and I feel like it's just

a byproduct of them having to release a new movie like every year or so like one of the studios has to turn something out so it's like I feel like they don't have as much time to like really like hone the story and like make it as good as like the movies that like they used to put out like especially in Pixar's case

which is like really sad. They can't all be personal. Yeah. They used to make stories. so many, like, masterpieces, and now it's just, like, masterpieces are the exception, not the rule. So, yeah, I don't really look forward to Disney or Pixar movies as much anymore. Like, I still watch all them and see if they're good. All of them.

Yeah. All of them, unfortunately. Well, just the animated ones. I'm not watching, like, Cruella or any of the shitty live-action stuff anymore. You saw the last dinosaur? The what? The last dinosaur, Pixar? What was that?

It was called? Oh, the good dinosaur. The good dinosaur, sorry. Yeah, the good dinosaur is so bad. Yeah, I haven't seen that one. So, so bad. I love Pixar, and that one's, yeah. That one and Onward, I haven't seen either.

I don't like Onward either. Like, a lot of people got mad at me. They were like, I love Onward. Screw you. But, like, it's not good. Like, I don't know. It's not The Incredibles. It's not Monsters Inc.

It's not winning the Oscar this year. Yeah. Oh, boy. I wonder what will win the Oscar this year. Gee, what could it be? It's a mystery. Definitely Sean the Sheep, Farmageddon, obviously. Or Netflix's To the Moon?

Something like that, yeah, like over the moon, I think. Fly Me to the Moon? Yeah, hello China movie. You know that movie? Yeah, it looks weird, though. Do you know Fly Me to the Moon? No, I'm not watching it. No, I don't know that one.

It's another animated movie. Ralph, did you have any questions? Not really. I just wanted to know more about your channel because I don't know a lot about it. Like more specifically, what would you say you do? What's your message that you get out there to people? I don't know.

I don't know if I have like a message. It's more just me like reviewing different animated movies mostly and then like a lot of animated TV shows as well. And just whatever I'm passionate about like either whatever I really hate or really love. And like so it's like I don't really have like a set like structure. Like a lot of people like try and say like I'm just like in. animation reviewer mainly. And it's like, that is mainly what I produce, but I like to do like a variety, just anything I'm interested in.

Like, I do a lot of musical theater related videos and, like, video games that I really like. So, yeah, it's just whatever I want to review, basically. Yeah, cool. Video games also. Yeah, I'd like to review those one day. What's your favorite movie? My favorite movie is something that we're going to talk about today on this podcast that I

requested. Okay, great. So it is, yes, Chaos. walking, my favorite movie. Good segue. So we all watched Sheffrilla's favorite film Chaos Walking.

Written by Charlie Kaufman. Yes, very briefly. And what's really funny is the website being Charlie Kaufman.com, which is like a fan website, they actually posted the original casting script. So you can see what Charlie Kaufman's version was like before it was

altered. I haven't read through the whole thing. I got very not very far into it at all. And this is also dated 2012, by the way. This is actually insane. December 9th, 2012. Yeah, most notable thing that I noticed in the first couple pages is that the dog can talk.

Manchi has a voiceover from the noise, which is hilarious. Anyway, for those of you listening who aren't familiar with chaos walking, it was delayed a billion times. It was supposed to come out like a... million years ago, got delayed again from January 2020 to January 2021, and then delayed again to like March or April. It's finally out. We can all see it. Obviously, a film being delayed with a bunch of reshoots is not a good telltale sign for, you know, a masterpiece. It's usually going to be something that's plagued with some issues. And so I guess apparently the film was

worse before the reshoots, I don't know. Starring Tom Holland, Daisy Ridley, they thought that that alone would sell the film. Nobody gives a shit. It came out. Everybody forgot about it already. I thought it was hilarious. What did you think? Mads Mikkelson as well is in the film. I really like him. Yeah, but he wasn't even like top bit. They build Nick Jonas above him in the trailer. They didn't even show Mudd's Mickleson's name. Kurt Sutter. Kurt Sutter's in the movie. He's the creator of Sons of Anarchy, which is that show on FX. I think he's the dad or like one of the dads. Yeah. Yeah, the movie's terrible. Oh, good.

It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it's worse than the normal, like, Y, A, like, young adult affair. Is it based on a book or something? Yeah, I think it's, like, a trilogy or something. Oh, right. The knife of never letting go. So, Charlie Kaufman adapted the book into the first script.

And then a bunch of other people altered it to the point where Charlie Kaufman isn't credited in the film. so his first draft is like not what the movie is at all so i hope he got paid i hope he got like a little bit of money or something uh do you know what they call it a a young adult novel instead of just a novel because it's bad because it sucks yeah it's bad and adults wouldn't want to read it yeah i did i got a comment on my uh my letterbox review of the movie that said like apparently the book is really good like not just they specifically said

not just young adult novel good but like actually good people say that about everything yeah if the book is really good it's a shame that this is it's movie adaptation because holy shit yikes I'm not about to read it holy shit that's a great two word review for this

do you guys want to guess the budget or do you know oh I don't know I have no idea do you know Ralph I was guessing like 20 million it's a hundred million dollars Oh my God. They've got Tom Holland and Daisy Ridley. It was shot in the woods mostly.

Yeah. Is that including reshoots too? I guess so. And it's the stars, you know, Tom Holland and Daisy Ridley are, although I don't know why. Like, it's not even, they're not that good. They're not that good, but they're also the only reason anybody except us knows the movie existed. So, yeah. True.

I knew about it because Charlie Kaufman's IMDB page led to it at one point. Otherwise, I would have no idea this film existed. But yeah, there was like the Chaos Walking Updates Twitter page, and it was literally just like a bunch of like, I love Tom Holland and Daisy Ridley. And I swear it was somebody being paid by Lionscape. Yeah, it's so weird. I was looking at it recently.

It's just like, I love Daisy Ridley. Like, that's the name of the page. And it's just a bunch of Daisy Ridley pictures. That's so funny. The Twitter verified the noise account. that they made, where they just did a bunch of creepy text and hoped it would go viral, they stopped posting in like March 12th or something. Like, they've given up complete, they don't care about the digital release for home video.

They're like, this isn't working. There's like nobody following this account. One of their tweets just said, chaos walking memes, please. So desperate. It's so sad. The movie itself is as half-first as that Twitter account, though. I know, right? I went and read through the kind of wiki summarization of the book and saw that a lot of the points that it hits are similar,

but there's something about the concept and the way it's translated to the big screen. It doesn't seem like it would work well for a film. No. No, the way they visualize the thoughts with this kind of dusty stuff coming out of people's heads that can... It's kind of a superpower as well in this universe. We can use it to kind of as a mirage to trick people. which again a concept you could imagine being explored

or you know used in a book perhaps but yeah what do they do with it yeah they don't really like do anything interesting with it yeah and they don't establish it well too yeah like it's just the movie just starts and they're like talking with thoughts they're doing it already I'm like Jesus

what the fuck is this it's very jarring spoilers everybody for chaos walking the whole plight is just fucking so there's a planet that human beings are colonizing. The new world, right? Yeah, it's not...

It's not Earth. It's not... It looks just Earth, but apparently it's not. Yeah, and they're like cowboys. Earth is normal. And, like, Daisy Ridley's from Earth, and she's on a spaceship, and all I could think of was Star Wars, because, you know, it's just like her space. It's like the same crap. She's on a pod. Yeah.

Yeah. So Daisy Ridley Crashlands. She's part of a scouting group that's supposed to be phase two colonizers. And they're sending this like pod down when they have no communication with the first phase of colonizers. I don't know. Like they could all be dead. They literally have no communication with them. And they're just sending people down like, like send a fucking Mars rover.

I don't care. Like this is 200 years in the future. Like test to see if there's like oxygen on the planet or something. Something clearly happened. Oh yeah. The crash where it just cuts away. That crash sequence was hilarious. Yeah.

And then she's like on the ground. Yeah. Like you don't see the actual crash. She's just suddenly on the planet I was just thinking of flight or gravity Like scenes were like really excellent crashes Or like really intense I don't know about

I mean even that was better actually Like this one was so It was laughable How bad it was They just cut away from it Tom Holland meets Daisy Ridley at one point And you see like his thoughts Because she's stealing stuff from the barn

Yeah I couldn't stand his character Because he's such like a wimpy Like a nice guy Like oh she's so pretty I'm like, wow, fuck this. Because they have to make him seem as young as possible. Otherwise, it's really creepy, right? Because if he's spending the whole movie going like, girl, I don't see the girl,

I want to protect a girl. He has to act really young. His character has to be like 16 or something. Otherwise, it's like really weird. Yeah. Yeah, in the book he's 13. He's 13 in the book? That's insane.

Yeah. Tom Holland has like a, he has like a wife beat around the whole movie. We're like, you know, no sleeve shirt. Just walking. Yeah. He's so rugged. I'm like, I'm like, what is the point of this? Yeah. There was like the nude scene where you just see his ass when he's like a little bit.

Yeah, what was the point of that too? Why? It was so awkward. I mean, self-described. The answer is in the question. But these are the lead characters, the two people on the poster. And what is their journey? It's like a loose kind of laura rings.

They have no chemistry at all. It's like they just hate each other for most. of the movie and like I don't buy the fact that they're like bonding yeah over the course of this it's just it's just really dumb their commonality is end that our parents are dead and that's it and they're supposed to bond over that yeah that's all you need apparently and she's like she was talking about how she's like never seen rain and shit like she's lived her entire life on like a fucking spaceship or something. Some enclosed, like, nerved area.

And then she's like, I don't know, she seems to be doing pretty well for herself, like, hiking and doing all this athleticism throughout the entire movie and, like, just fucking driving away on a motorbike and, like, running around and climbing shit and scavenging for supplies. And, like, she, the ship was still smoldering. And she had already buried all of the crew. There were like graves and like nobody heard this the spaceship crash even though it's like based on what the movie is showing it's like a block away like it was like an easy walk

away from like the town nobody heard that and Tom Holland just only finds out about this because she was stealing shit from the bar she's she's awesome she's the coolest character ever there's a point like she's captured by a guy with a gun or just like in the same room and she's he's gonna kidnap her but then like they just cut and she's she beat him up or something and she escapes. Like, they don't show what happened. Like, how the fuck? Like, how does she, how is she able to do this?

I'm like, my God, there's so much wrong with this movie. I don't even know where to start. It was really funny. She was just alone with, like, Nick Jonas, and then he's like, what's this gun? And he just, like, blows a hole. And then she just leaves. Like, what the fuck was that? Yeah, yeah.

That she just runs out. Like, what the fuck was that? Nick Jonas in this movie, holy shit, he was so bad. And he didn't even do anything. Like, his character, by the end of the film, he didn't really do anything. It was for his name to be in the trailer. in the poster. Yeah, that's it.

It's the young adult demographic that wants to see Tom Holland. Are they setting them up for like the next movie? Because it's a series of books, right? These young adult novel things, they always want to do the series. Yeah, there's no way. Of course not. But, you know, that's what they always want to do. Like, where do you go?

Just based on this movie, like, there's no plot to continue. Like, there's no interesting plot. Yeah, nothing happened, really. I don't know what they were like planning. I wonder if part of the reshoots was the, a different ending because in the book I guess at the end it's left way more open for obvious sequels but here it is way more conclusive and maybe that's possible so they didn't have a golden compass situation where they're kind of implying there's more coming but there's there's nothing that's

funny since a failure I love how this movie ends after like he everyone in tom holland's life is like dead and then it just ends with him just so casual with her he's just like oh yeah let's go meet the other colonists like you know who cares about everyone I know and love being fucking dead. Like, oh wow, it's just so weird. We need to talk about that fucking twist because, like, the way that they were like talking about like, oh yeah, this stuff happened and you were too little,

I'm just like, okay, well, that obviously didn't happen just the way they're saying it, you know, they keep hammering it in. And then they have the, uh, the spackle. The alien. The spackle sounds like fresh out of lady in the water, you know? I laughed every time I heard that name. I thought they were saying the smeggle every time they were saying. No, I couldn't hear what they were saying.

It was just terrible. The spackle. And Mauds and the crazy preacher man who is a very one-note character and recites foreboding poetry in his head 24-7, religious nun. It's like this only character trait. So they killed all the women. Like pretty much everybody in the village killed all the women, it seems. Like it wasn't just one guy doing it.

The crazy religious guy decided that because women, you can't hear their thoughts on the planet, that they don't have souls, so therefore kill them all. Okay, that happened. And there was a... They wiped out all the women in one faction, and there was a separate other town that left because they were like, you guys are crazy. And this other town that is fully aware that the town that they came from has, like, killed all the women. They're like literally religious murderers, like on a rampage.

This town that separated from that decided we don't like technology. We're going to be Amish. And we're just not, we don't want the super weapons, even though we know they have them. They have like crazy laser guns, but we don't want that. Like, we're not in any danger here. We know that they want to kill all women. Like we just, whatever. We're just going to have a simple lifestyle and technology is going to end at refrigeration or whatever they have.

Right. And then the entire concept of like, Everybody keeping this secret from Tom Holland really does not fit in a movie where everybody's thoughts are on display 24-7. This entire town kept this secret from him, and everybody's thoughts are displayed from there. It's loud. Nobody can keep their thoughts to themselves except like Mauds-Mickleson because he's practiced hard enough. Everybody in the town knew about it. His dad knew about it.

All these people raised him. The fucking Nick Jonas, this like bully kid who doesn't even like him, knew about it. You'd think they'd have one thought in his head being like, uh, fucking kid's mom. got murdered by everybody like my dad killed his mom it doesn't work it doesn't fit it's like that's the most important part of the movie it's like everything is built around that twist even the wardrobe of the film like Daisy Redley's outfit her bright yeah it was terrible this is fucking awful no just the general world building I found to be astonishingly bad because yeah the fact you didn't even notice it was on like another

planet I don't blame you because it does just remind me of like Like, you know, the videos everyone starts making when their kids, where they go into the woods and, like, run around and use their life. It's all in the forest. It feels exactly like that, but on a crazy scale. But they try their best to try and establish the environment as being, you know, hostile with, like, creatures and alien monsters and stuff. He throws a knife at a bun. They never go far enough to actually show you anything.

There's that scene where he, like, goes into the water and flops with some squid thing. It was so quick. They kind of, they skip over the whole fun of why you would even include a scene like that, which would be to show the crazy. crazy alien planet in the world. I got food now. When he's eating the squid thing, it's just like a tiny little blob on a stick and

you learn nothing about the world. They just squander every opportunity like that. They show the spackle once. There's just like one of them. Yeah. Yeah, because that's a huge part of it. It's like, why even have it in the movie at that point? They might as well not have existed. Really.

That's the alien? Yeah. The alien thing. Yeah. And they're shown to be like friendly. Like, it just walks away. Well, I mean, like, the first interaction, he kind of like started dragging,

Tom Holland away. So like, it's really the only indication that these things are supposed to be friendly is like Daisy Ridley's righteous like moral indignation or whatever you want to call it of her like criticizing Tom Holland and you just think that you should you should fight things when you see him. It's like

dude you just you just like killed the water monster and ate it with him and you didn't say anything then. Because this one's a fucking humanoid. He's wearing a loin cloth. That's where you draw the line. He was literally dragging away Tom Holland like he was beating him up. The Indication was that he was trying to kill him. What's your deal? It didn't make any sense

They might as well just not have shown the alien because then it would have worked better with the twist The scapegoats, that's all like the visit. Yeah, yeah, you'd have like a mystery involved as well. I just I assume they were going to like build up to like the climax having like multiple aliens like I don't know what they were going to do but like I've assumed That's why they showed one alien earlier, but no, it just never comes back. It's just like such a messy script It's like ridiculous. It's because it's going to come back in the sequel that'll never happen of course This is made by Lionsgate, right? So they did like Hunger Games. Yeah, and Hunger Games is done.

At least early on. And right now they've just got Tyler Perry movies and like no IPs. Saw. Yeah, saw a spiral. That'll save him. Yeah. Spiral. Oh, God.

Made. Yeah. I feel like they didn't really do enough with the like idea of projecting like images either. Like the fight at the end where Matt's Mickelson just projects. a bunch of himself. It's like the budget version of like Mysterio and far from home. Yeah. It's just like, it was so just like

this is all you're doing with it. You're just projecting yourself and it's just like, I don't know, but I guess they didn't really have any budget anymore. Yeah. Whatever. And I thought I thought the ending part was dumb too where like Tom Holland projects like all the women that he killed. It's like he's smart.

He knows that these aren't real. Just shoot Tom Holland and they go away. Like, but he just doesn't do with that. Yeah, he got bullied off the cliff pretty much. It's because he's overwrought with guilt and then yeah, they were bullying him. He knocks him into a hole. You're a coward because you kill women.

Daisy Ridley killed both of like the main antagonist of the villain of like the main antagonist of the movie. Daisy Ridley kills both of them. Even though she doesn't really have like any emotional connection to like that story. Tom Holland really should have been some catharsis and Tom Holland killing him. Yeah, because he killed

his dog. Yeah, but it goes back to like the young adult, and it's made for the Hunger Games crowd. It's like teenage girls. And it's really annoying. Like, Tom Holland's character in this movie is such like a... A little bitch. A little bitch. And it's really annoying to, like, see this character.

The entire time, I was just frustrated watching this movie. And yeah, like, that, like, he doesn't kill anything. Like, any amount of, like, frustration or, like, any trait like that is portrayed as, like, a negative. So she's like, no, don't kill the thing. Even though I've tried to fucking kill you and it's a giant, ugly alien. Yeah, even though I killed two people later on in the movie, just ignore that. Oh, when that guy got little of fire, what the hell was that too? Oh, yeah, because she had a little gadget and she just threw it at him, and then apparently

the preacher is just constantly doused in alcohol, and he's the most flammable person on the fucking planet. Oh, that was the preacher, okay. Yeah, but there was no screaming, and then he kind of just walks away, and then he disappears. The subtitle said something like, I am bathed in fire. Like, he was, like, hyped that he just got it. engulfed in flames. He was crazy.

Yeah. It was bizarre. There's a lot of bizarre scenes. I guess it's memorable, but there's so much to talk about, about how bad it is. I love that there was like a physical antenna that they had to fix on the ship. Yeah. He just went outside and was like, oh, here we go. Tom Holland literally just climbs up and fixes the antenna on this like highly advanced 200 years of the future ship.

They can't communicate without this one antenna on the outside. That is just perfectly fine. Otherwise, he needed to plug it in. It just, the power cord got yanked. It was fine. And I can Daisy Ridley do it. She was shown as being perfectly capable. Oh, yeah.

May Tom Holland do it. She's very outdoorsy. She's just do anything. Yeah. So, two things I want to talk about. One, the scene where he chases them on the boat while he's swimming is really funny. The preacher man. He's just, he's like, T2.

He's unstoppable. And then he just shows up and drowns the dog. And Tom Holland's like, no. Like, you guys had oars. That was terrible. What was the point of that? Yeah. What was the point of that?

Because there's no other emotional beat really in the whole story. First of all, what was the point of the dog at all? Apparently, the dog used to be able to talk. Because they were getting chased. Yeah, there's just a scene where they're getting chased by horses. And they fall off a cliff. Like, the horses, they fall off a cliff and the horse dies and, like, breaks its leg, at least or whatever. And then somehow, the next scene, the dog is there.

He caught up. I don't know if they were carrying the dog with him. No, he caught up. Yeah, the dog just caught up. Like, somehow. Yep, he just found them. Because he loves the main character. And the dog was there just to get killed in that one scene.

Yeah, that's why he's there. And I hate when they kill dogs or movies. I mean, if you got to do it, then do it. It was so pointless. Like, Marley and Me is great. It does seem cheap. That's a masterpiece. You just spoiled Marley and me.

Yeah. I don't get it with, like, crazy religious characters. It's like he should know that, like, killing a dog is probably a bad thing and we'll probably be, like, send him to hell or something. but I guess he's crazy, so it's fine. He's got his own brand. So, yeah. He just got his own version. He's very video gamey.

Actually, dogs don't have souls, apparently. Yeah. He was honestly my least favorite character in the movie. Like, I was so annoyed every time. He was like, damnation. He might have been my favorite character because he was so funny. No, Tom Holland was my least favorite character because of how much of a bitch he was. That's true.

He's fucking insufferable. Every character is bad. Except, like, Mads Mikkelson's character was fine, I guess. but every other character is just so bad in this. I couldn't focus on Mads because of the costume design. I don't know what I was thinking with this. He's like the mayor, but he's wearing a cowboy hat, a huge fur coat. Yeah.

White suit thing. It is this weird mishmash. Because like they're all colonizers, right? And so like, I don't know how many years it's been. It was like, what, 30, 20? I don't even know how many. But like, they've got these like advanced space alien guns. And then this other town.

that decided to be Amish for a bit, has like these old rifles. So either you brought that and that was like a relic that you just decided to bring when you colonize it, or you like actually got all the materials and like actually crafted it there, which is interesting because you decided

you did need to defend yourself or have a weapon at some point, but you completely rejected all of the actual technology guns, which is just so, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make anything. It seems like they wanted. the Western aesthetic.

Yeah. But it clashes with everything else. Yeah. Yeah, it was definitely trying to be a Western. But it was like mixed in with all this other crap. The young adult stuff. It was trying to be like Hunger Games too. That's what I kept thinking of.

That's all I could think of was like young adult stuff. Yeah, I kept thinking of like maze runner. Yeah, like maze runner too. Yeah. What's that other one? Insurgent, divergent. Yeah. I don't even know what the first one's called.

Yeah. Yeah, they're all the same. But this is like really low. like this is like the fifth wave with Chloe Moretz like this is this is like that level like it's so bad yeah and the character is such a fucking annoying weasel I couldn't believe it but there's a segment where they meet the rebels you know

like the like the women so there's like women on the planet but they're like in a little rebel base basically the other town sequence like yeah that was infuriating too just how like lame it was yeah and like Cynthia Irvo was like the leader She's like in what's that movie

Bad Times at the El Royale Like she's fine But like She's in it for five minutes And then she goes away I forgot she was in it She's like an award winning actor It's for

So they can set her up for sequels That's it Probably of course Yeah that's it It's stupid It's so lame Yeah Yeah

And then there's like the scene Where like the three guys Are bowling Tom Holland She's like Hey You're not in charge around here You guys leave them alone Yeah

This is so fucking dumb. Yeah. And they like, I can't take this seriously at all. He was just like, they just cut to him having rope around his wrists. Mm-hmm.

She was like mad and then suddenly he's like right outside her house with rope around his wrist. Just killing there drinking something. And his like, it's just his wrist. Nothing else is tied and he's not tied to anything. And he's just there. Yeah. And why does she care?

Yeah, why does she care? And then she's like, yeah, we usually kill outsiders. or whatever, but we're not going to kill you, because I don't know why. Because he's a girl. Because you're the main character. And then they say the same thing to Mads-Micholson, even though they just let him into the town. Like, yeah, we usually kill you, but we're not going to kill you. Yeah, it's the

law here that we hang you. Yeah, but we're not. If anybody shows up from this other place. They start killing everyone. You got to kill them, but we have to use old-timey methods. Yeah. It's our way. They don't follow any of their own rules. I know. They have refrigerators. It's the dumbest group of rebels.

I have a request for one of you, and I'll be very impressed if one of you can actually do it thoroughly. What exactly was their fucking plan, the villains? What exactly were they trying to do, and how would that have worked? They wanted to, like, steal the ship? Like, the next way, they wanted to use Daisy Ridley to, like, get something? Please explain it. Yeah, why did they need Daisy Ridley? I got the ship.

They wanted the ship, but why couldn't they just go to the ship or find it? Yeah, I don't think they did need her. And like I have no idea honestly But I think they just wanted to kill her because she was a woman But yeah because they're sexist That's what I got When she was under the floorboards They said that they needed her

Because they wanted to get Like steal the next ship Because she's like a part of a pod Because she's part of phase two colonization And so I guess if she Like she has It's so weird because like maybe she would have had a way to communicate with the ship that's just hanging outside the atmosphere

that has no idea what's going on or whatever, the colonizer ship, phase two. But the pod crash, so now she doesn't. So she needs to use the old ship and the antenna's unplugged. And she has no other way of communicating. And so they're like, they have to, they're, mods wants to steal the other ship, but for what purpose? Does he want to leave? They just don't like the planet anymore, even though they've like, made it their own. Like, it's their fucking rules.

Like, you did this shit. Exactly. I think at one point he said he wanted to, like, stop her from calling other people, because then they would come down and they would kill him in his, like, town. Maybe. Like, I think he was shouting that in the climax, even though they didn't establish that earlier. But, like, I don't know. Yeah, I guess they're supposed to be like a crazy cult, but they do a terrible job of explaining that or getting it across.

Yeah. Well, because no, she, that was after she communicated to them and said something, like, they wanted her, they definitely wanted something about the next ship, I'm pretty sure. I might be fucking great. I'm going to have to watch that scene again. Yeah, like, cults and stuff. I don't know. Think of Midsomer, like, how much better that was and how much, like, I understood that cult and their rules. It just didn't make any sense this movie. I didn't know what they were going to do. I didn't know what they were doing. Yeah, you're right. Like, the whole overarching goal of the movie was confusing. Muds was mad. He was, indeed. I'm mad for Muds. Yeah, I like all these actors. They were just fucking, they were insufferable in this movie, except Daisy Ridley.

I don't think she's ever been good. And she's always these same kind of characters. Yeah, I was thinking that when I was watching this, like, I feel like Daisy Ridley has that same, like, Gall-Gadot problem where it's like she's fine in this one specific blockbuster role. But, like, everything else I've seen her in. I don't think she's, like, that good of an actress. Yeah. I don't know if I'd like to see them either of them in anything else. indie movies, you know.

I want to see them be in like a good time kind of movie, both of them, Tom Holland and like Daisy Ridley. Just so they could like actually be good in something. Because this is not working. This is like total shit. Yeah. I'm trying to imagine a Safty Brothers film with Daisy Ridley in it. This is fucking terrible.

It's almost unwatchable. I can't even believe this movie. Well, they did delay it for 10 years. So it does feel like a movie they delayed for 10 years. Apparently it was like even worse in test screening. and this is the improved version I guess the compliment to it is I couldn't tell the reshoots

that's a compliment when like there's just this much of a disconnect between like people who want to create art because they actually want to communicate something about society or themselves or an emotion you know there's a disconnect between that and then just

movies being made right it's like there's such a gigantic leap and they're trying to make it the same product because the successful films are you know what was previously described as like people the hunger games you know wanting to create something and they just think okay there's a there's a successful book um there's a formula that works we can turn it into a movie we're going to get the celebs it's a young adult book we're going to get the young adult hunk called tom holland yeah okay now what they don't know what the fuck they're doing you got the audience built in yeah well then i should

just don't think the audience reacted to this well. And that's what happens sometimes. I think there's another one. Mortal bones. Remember that? No. Is that what it was called? Immortal bones?

The city of bones? Mortal instruments. Mortal of instruments. Mortal instrument city of bones. Something like that. Is that the city, walking cities thing? Yeah. It reminds me of that.

The audience doesn't respond to it. It's because it's not that good. Yeah, like Eragon or Golden Compass, that kind of tier. Yeah, that kind of tier. Oh, shit. Of course, Harry Potter, if we're going to talk about tears, like S-tier is Harry Potter. Like, that's the best. And like the, I guess people love Harry Potter because, you know, like everyone wants to be Harry Potter or people.

I guess even girls love Harry Potter because he's like, but there's subtlety to him. Like, he's a really good character. And Tom Holland's character in this movie is so, like I said, with the fucking wife beater shirt and like his pussy fucking dialogue. Like, it's obnoxious. It's so obnoxious. like there's no subtlety at all. It's like, okay, so this character is just written for teenage girls who don't, like, they don't want any edge at all to a character.

It's pathetic. But he didn't shower. He's really rugged. Yeah, he goes in a bath. He's like, yeah, I got to wash my clothes. Oh, yeah. No, but in that hot bath scene where he's describing, like, how, I've never had a hot bath before, but the room has, like, no steam in it, and he's, they don't even show any water in the shot,

and then it just cuts away. Like, yeah. That's a, that's a moment to, like, show a character enjoying something. something, like, reveling in something they'd never experienced to, like, get you involved in them? Yeah, they really didn't care about the characters. Yeah, they just didn't give a shit. Yeah, it was just a means to an end. That scene is terrible.

Oh, it's so bad. We just saw them walking through the woods and not being, interacting it really well at all. It was just so terrible. Thanks, Doug Lyman. Yeah. See, it's like, I've seen good movies from him. Like, I like the first born movie, and I liked Edge of Tomorrow. I don't know what the fuck happened here.

Oh, okay, that's him. It's definitely more jumper to you. It's the edge of tomorrow guy. Yeah, edge of tomorrow's really cool. It's a really good movie. That's shocking. Yeah, I'm not sure how he managed to make something this abysmal. It's really just falling apart.

I really like it. Found it in. Or live, die, repeat. But, you know, the action in that movie is really good. And then the effects, too. And I don't know what happened here. There's one alien in it. it and it looks like garbage.

It shouldn't have even been in the movie because it just made me upset that they didn't show more of that shit. Like, I want to know what their town's all about. What's happening? But they got to set it up for future movies. The entire movie isn't justified in being in another planet. The entire fucking thing could have happened on Earth. If you wanted to have this whole plot of like, oh yeah, we killed all the women.

There's a religious nut sort of thing. We kept a secret from you. It would work better not being science fiction. There's no reason. Like, Daisy really could have just been somebody who'd like got in a car crash and showed up somewhere. And, you know, it's like, oh, for the first girl ever, and she's

like, you know, like, I don't know, you could have just made something like M. Knights the Village. There's no reason why this has to be science fiction or on another planet or involve this, like, crazy, weird thoughts being displayed out of your head sort of thing. The story doesn't have anything to do with that. Like, the actual beats of the story. Like, what are you even

trying to fucking communicate? It's so stupid. Sorry. Yeah. Why even base it so heavily on a book if you're not even going to go the distance and even bother doing the design work and world-building stuff that is the reason. and people get attached to those kind of ideas in the first place. And is Doug Lyman that passionate about this book?

Probably not. Probably not. He just picked up some guy. I'm like, he's a good director. I'm not doubting that. I just mean like, maybe you should get someone who's passionate about the book.

You know, so then there's like, it could actually be good because maybe then it's a good book if someone's passionate about it. It just seems like this year's Artemis Fowl because it was the same thing. I don't know if it's that bad.

Except with an even more insufferable character. It's not quite Artemis Fowel, But I just mean like a kind of loved children's book being shit all over. I hate Artemis Fowl so much because I actually, I grew up with the book and the movie was just the biggest piece of shit. I think it's honestly my most hated movie just because of that year. How much it butcher's the book. Of that year, it's one of the worst movies to come out. Yeah.

I heard the book is like die hard with fairies. I'm like, that sounds awesome. Yeah, it is. It's a really awesome book. Like, I actually like reread it after seeing the movie because I just needed to wipe it. that shit out of my brain. And it's like, yeah, it's a really good book still. Lionsgate probably could have done better with that.

You know, maybe giving it a bit of an edge. This material, though, it's a little dull. And like you said, it's not, like the world doesn't even, like all of this establishment is at the service of what? Just a really bland story. Nothing's justified. Yeah, it's been told a million times. Yeah, it's not really justified.

Yeah. There's no reason for anything to happen. There's no reason for the movie to have been made. There's just some really bad shots in this movie Like even the way it's shot and the lighting I'm like yeah this is really cheap looking Yeah, it's like made for TV honestly Yeah think of the Avengers and like you know

What people have come to expect for big budget franchises Like even the DC movies those are better than this It's so cheap it's worse than after earth even In terms of how cheap it looks Yeah, at least that has all the alien effects And all the CG animals Yeah at least it has a reason for for existing on like the after-earth planet like okay so jaden smith has to fight a futuristic tiger

or something like this was so it's just the woods it's just they're in the forest and they run around and they when they find that camp out of nowhere i found it funnier than after earth is a thing i'm so i get so bored by after earth whereas yeah i was able to sit through this just because it was it was quite laughably bad just just the concept so stupid and just the way they enact on it it's just so ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, I kept checking, like, the video bar to see how much longer I had the whole time. Oh, yeah.

Sorry. Oh, the movie is so short. True, yeah. But it wasn't short enough. That's why I would recommend it because it's so short and there's so many bizarre, pointless scenes that, you know, just like, look at the writing. Look at how, you know, like a mainstream or like a big Hollywood studio would write Tom Holland's character.

It's like just as such an annoying. Brat. Oh, it's embarrassing. Yeah, looking at the director's IMDB, really, this feels like the cheapest one out of all of the movies I've seen, and it's not the cheap. Like, Born Identity was made for less. Jumper was made for less, I think. I don't know. I didn't see Jumper's cheaper.

Jumper's probably better than this. Yeah, 85 million. Really? Alex, you saw Jumper? Yeah, I saw Jumper. Jumpa. Jumpo was huge at the time, you know. Everyone was talking about a jumper. I mean...

I don't remember liking it, but it's not a very memorable movie, right? I just remember, like, kind of building up to something, and then it just ending. Cool. Maybe I'll check it out. That sounds fun. I remember Sam Jackson. I remember he was pretty good. I remember him in the trailer. Yeah, Anakin. Because he's always... Hayden.

That's the main reason everyone saw it was for Anakin. Yeah, Anakin Skywalker. And Mace Windy's in it as well, yeah. Fuck, Kristen Stewart's in the credit. But even... Even the effects in that movie were better. And that was made fucking, like, 2008. Yeah, there was just, the effects and chaos walking.

It was just so, how do you, like, conceptualize that? How do you, like, tell an animator what to do with that? Because it just, it looks like it's just... Yeah. Because it's not supposed to look real in the universe, right? And depending on the scene, it's just supposed to look like this hazy... It's genuinely the least creative way they could have done that. There's so many other ways.

light thing just vague CG stuff around their heads after effects plug in yeah really it looks like a fucking visualizer fucking windows yeah it's like annihilation but like really cheap yeah

yeah yeah yeah even though I think annihilation cost much less true yeah I do remember there was one scene where um like he he has a memory of what the mayor said to him it's like the mayor says like that was a good use your noise and then like the memory is like a different take of that line he says like that snake

was a good use of your noise it's like they can't even like how did they fuck that up like I even notice that yeah the memories that was pretty funny his mom would like come up son I love you like whatever this is so corny babies yeah really stupid well because he would he never met his mom but he has memories of his mom so he must have watched his one of his two dads have a memory of his mom and so his memory is a memory of a memory and then I don't know like if you were if maybe in charley Kaufman's script I haven't read it maybe it explored these philosophical concepts of like how can you really trust a memory of a memory like maybe it went meta maybe it was just a good I don't know what he did with it I'd be interested in reading more of it but you know there's like interesting

concepts you could explore there it's like well this is just like it might be photographic memory but how do I know that their memory is accurate or like how do you it's not really really real anymore because it's just our interpretation and you know how many layers can you go before it's something completely different there's there's like some things you could explore with the concept but they didn't yeah turn into a stupid fucking western I felt like it was kind of charlie Kaufman-ish but it was just bad like I don't know if I could call it Charlie Kaufman's the movie that I saw just because of how weird the concept was like reading people's thoughts and their thoughts are like floating around their head the concept could be elaborated on to be

good concept came from the book yeah yeah it wasn't good I don't know. It had a hook. Anyway, what would we all give it out of ten? I think I'm done talking about this shit. Probably like a two out of ten. Yeah? Just so bad.

Yeah, probably about the same. Yeah, I'm one and a half stars. The half star being for the fact that Nick Jonas spent seven months perfecting his accent for the role. Oh. So I just give him that. Seven months. He's in the movie for like five minutes.

You really put his heart in soul. into this project and it really shows. So yeah, big up for Jonas, but everything else, thumbs down. I got two out of ten. Holy shit. If COVID didn't happen and I saw this in person, I would have been chaos walking out of the theater.

Put that on the fucking DVD. So yeah, one out of five for me. How jazz were you when they nearly said it as well? Well, I nearly said the title. This is chaos. And you're like, oh, say, please. This is chaos. And then the next side should have been like,

walking away. Yeah, yeah. So it was chaos walking. The title didn't mind. There was a lot of chaos and a lot of walking. True. I got what I paid for. What are we?

Some kind of chaos walking? All right. Time to talk about Whiplash. Spoilers for Whiplash, 2014. Recommended for this discussion

by Sheifrillas. And it's their favorite movie underneath Chaos Walking, so their second favorite movie. Exactly. And yeah, would you like to give a description of this movie before we all just start talking about it, I guess? What is this movie? What is it about? Yeah. Okay, so it's about this kid named Andrew Neiman, and he's studying to be a drummer at this

very prestigious jazz conservatory. but then he gets into the studio band with Terence Fletcher, played by J.K. Simmons, who is just like the most verbally abusive monster ever, and he, like, just pushes these students to their limit. The tensions escalate while Andrew's trying to become, like, the best drummer he can and, like, live up to Fletcher's impossible standards. He attacks Fletcher on stage. All sorts of crazy stuff happen.

And I'm not the best at explaining plots I never really like explain plots that well in my videos I just kind of jump into stuff but yeah The best Blumhouse movie The best yeah I was shocked to see that I didn't remember that being at the beginning This and get out yeah The best Jason Blum production

I'm always like thrown for a loop when I see that logo Every time I watch it I'm like oh yeah It's the scariest Blumhouse movie that's for sure. Probably actually, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So there's like two good ones. This and get out, right? And then the rest of them are just dog shit. Dog shit. Yeah. Basically, I mean, it's pretty much. There's the only two.

Yeah. It's weird because this is not a horror movie. No, there's definitely elements of it that are, there's a lot of blood. There is blood. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. It's very intense.

Maybe more of a thriller, but it veers into horror. And J.K. Simmons character, let me just say, I'm right off the bat. I love the movie. J.K. Simmons is, like, one of the best performances, probably that decade. Yeah. Like, he's so fucking fierce in this role and memorable. You can compare him to, like, the drill sergeant in full metal jacket. Oh, yes.

It's, like, the best comparison, I think they're going. Because there is something, I mean, he's very mean character, but in the context of this movie, just watching it. And especially because of how intense this movie is, he is very funny. He is hilarious, even though he's making funny people. The variety of insults also helps. Yeah, the variety of insults, right? The delivery of the lines. Like, J.K. Simmons is a very good actor and the delivery of everything is very funny.

And his character is very intense. You know, incredibly. He wants to live up to his expectations. It's important that he's like this, that he's this much of his stickler. No, there's no fucking Mars bar down there. And, you know, like a million lines he has that are like, excellent. Yeah, this is why I love coming back to it.

He commands the same attention from the audience watching the film as he does like the audience in his classroom, right? Like the same level of like, holy shit, like this guy that the characters are experiencing in that universe, we are experiencing also. And you know, you kind of feel like you're in that room like fucking like, oh shit, don't look at me, Fletcher. Yeah, even the direction feels like it's the same energy as that teacher character. It's the same kind of, you're just like being assaulted with everything in the movie and it really works and enhances the horrific intensity of those scenes in the music rooms.

Yeah. It's so varied too with the limited amount of space and bringing up that it is a Blumhouse. I guess that's largely because they're known for their small budgets and I believe it's a tiny budget they're working with here. But you never even think about it for a moment because it's so artfully created and put together and proficient. just in every technical aspect. 3.3 million. Oh my God. That's nuts.

Insane. That's excellent. I thought it was cool because before we're re-watching this, I watched the 2013 short film that Damien Chazel made. Oh, yeah, I never saw that. I was going to ask about that. It was like, it's pretty neat. It's like the exact same scene, like Andrew's first rehearsal with the band.

It's like the dialogue is exactly the same because it's like, I think the script was already finished at that point and he made the, short film in order to secure funding to make the full feature. So it's just like, it was like really cool to see. J.K. Simmons was in it. They had a different guy playing Andrew. Yeah, Johnny Simmons. Yeah, I don't think he was quite as good as Miles Teller.

But like, it was just neat to see. Like, the lighting was like less harsh than it is in the final movie. Like the editing wasn't like quite as tight. But like the fact that the script was all still there. It's just like it was really impressive. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. And the final movie is.

It's like what I love about it is the fact that I can like enjoy it as like this like thriller horror thing that's just like so tightly written and just like so interesting as a character study. But like I also just, it's so funny like I said, like you said, like, like JK Simmons insults just like they keep coming and they're just like so hilarious. So it's like I can have a good time watching it like just have fun while also being engrossed by how like perfectly constructed like the narrative is. and everything. Yeah. I feel like it's very, like, tightly written. Like, I don't think there's, like, any filler at all. Like, every scene tells you something new about, like, one of the characters or, like,

advances the story. And so, like, I really like that. Like, I prefer when movies are, like, shorter and can deliver, like, information, like, concisely rather than just being, like, overly long and having, like, some good stuff, but also some, like, less interesting stuff. So it's a very fast-paced movie, very deliberately. I actually like movies that are. longer usually. Like, I love three-hour

movies. Because I feel like you just have more time with the characters and to establish everything. But this movie is deliberately very short because that's the whole point of like, you know, even the title Whiplash. Yeah, like the movie's so quick, it's so fast-paced. It gives you this like, I don't know,

this sense of urgency. And it is a very intense experience because of that length. You know, everything's so condensed. It works perfectly for this movie. Not every movie has to be long. Yeah, like you said. Yeah. My personal, like, favorite scene in the movie, like, most people default to, like, the ending and, like, the ending is, like, amazing. But, like, I personally love the scene in the jazz cafe where, like, this is after their big conflict, and now they're just, like, sitting there, like, civilly with each other.

And Fletcher's just explaining why he did the things that he did at Schaefer. And it's just, like, it's so interesting to me to see him, like, suddenly justify everything and, like, make you all. almost kind of forget that he was this horrible monster for like the entirety of the movie. And it's like it makes you question like does his means like justify the ends? It's like it's just a really interesting like thing to wonder about. The philosophy behind the kind of work ethic is what the whole interest behind the movie kind of boils down to for me. And just watching a character go through the pain that comes from being chewed up and spit out by such a toxic idea. this tough love bringing the best results no matter what without any kind of boundaries

and how that applies to like ultimately what he's doing in the end he's he's he's playing the drums but how is he playing it in a way to express himself beyond just playing a piece perfectly and at a certain point you have to ask why are you doing this what why are you destroying your mind and body because his motivation seems to come down that he's doing it more for other people's approval as opposed to for his own creative sense of self. So watching that is very sad. And I remember the first time I watched it, I kind of, I think I had the incorrect interpretation at the time.

I guess it was 20 when it first came out. And I was kind of happy for the main character at the end when I first watched it. And he finally gets that approval at the end. But I don't know how I took that away from it the first time because, I mean, I consider it kind of a sad ending. a tragedy. It's very interesting. Yeah. There's a lot of interpretation of the ending now. Yeah. I saw videos like, oh, how the dark interpretation of Whiplash is ending.

Well, please go for it. I'm interested to hear more about that. But I think it's like bittersweet. I actually do think it is like, I think it is a positive ending for the most part. But yeah, it's bittersweet because he is kind of trapped, you know, in his own mind at that point. Like, yeah, he's so ambitious and he's hurting his body so much. I guess at that moment he feels like he, uh, he feels gratified for all that. Like, that's the moment where he achieves it. But I guess that kind of could lead him down, you know, like a dark path in the future. But I don't know.

I got some satisfaction out of that moment. Yeah. What would you say, Alex? Yeah, I find it satisfying purely because the torture is over for him. But it kind of, the more you think about it, the more hollow it rings to me because of everything he had to sacrifice. Like the whole journey of the movie, he's clearly not a happy person. there's a lot of anger in the movie.

Every scene basically in one of the music rooms, people are screaming at each other, or the people, the band members are bickering and screaming. It's a nasty environment. Yeah. And I guess it comes down to just where you draw that line on, I'm sure there are plenty of people

who are willing to destroy their body and minds. So they can fight for the chance to be remembered because that is his main motivation is that he wants to be one of the grades. he wants to be the best. But there's a line early on where his dad tells him, with age, you get perspective. And I feel like Andrews is an exploration of just someone

who has absolutely no perspective, and he's got one goal, and he will do anything, including, like, just throwing, he nearly throws his life away, including getting in the car crash and everything, and just, and he throws his only personal relationships to the side. He basically sacrifices his whole life just for this one small,

achievement at the end, which the more I think about I just don't see as a big win. Yeah, of course. But I feel like a lot of people do that too, because it is such a drive, like to have that opportunity. That's what's so powerful about it. Be important or be special, like even in that shining moment. Yeah, it shows the kind of sacrifice you need to make to be remembered in that way. And that's why it is bittersweet. I think it is very complicated because it is sad, but it's also very like, it's also great. Like he got exactly what he wanted. Yeah.

And that's the struggle of art and artists. That's why I think the movie's brilliant. Yeah. He mentioned earlier on the story about Charlie Parker and then how he ends up like dead and full of heroin at like age 32. And it's like that's the exact path that Andrew like once it seems. Yeah. He just wants to be talked about and remembered like later on.

He doesn't care about like having friends or anything or like living. It's like he doesn't care about his own life. He only cares about his legacy. Yeah, exactly. He assumes his legacy is the only way to be fulfilled, even if he dies early. I don't know, but like, that's, that is, that might be his only way to be fulfilled, right? Like, everybody has, like, a difference of psyche. Right?

So, like, that might be the only thing that actually brings him any kind of, like, happiness or purpose in life, right? Everybody's brains are wired a bit differently. Yeah, but he could also, he could also get laid with the, with the girl works at the movie theater, but he doesn't because he's, you know, he's so focused on drumming. Yeah, but, like, he made the conscious decision to break that off. You know, why can't he drum and have a solid relationship, too? It's almost like an unhealthy obsession with drumming. Well, he decided that he didn't need it or that he, that it was preventing him from being the best. That was his decision.

Right. All right. He could have gotten late, too. Like, he was the one consciously making that decision to make those sacrifices. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It just depends what you want to do. I felt like he had some remorse with that character, especially, you know, because he calls her before his big drum recital.

And she's like, yeah, I got a boyfriend, whatever. Which is brutal. I think that's a brutal scene. A great scene showing. You had to take responsibility for... Yeah, but that's why I felt like he did have some remorse for that. Like, yeah, maybe he should have... He could have kept up those personal relationships,

but he didn't because of this obsession with drumming. And yeah, the character does take it too far because of Fletcher, mainly. Yeah, but I think at the end, he just kind of, like, throws away any remorse he had, like, drumming for Fletcher and, like, trying to, like, still prove himself to be the best. And, like, I feel like the ending, it is kind of... of bittersweet like you said like because he is getting exactly what he wanted even if like from our perspective what he wants is like seems kind of toxic and like not the most healthy like route for him to go

and I think it's really telling that like there's a shot of his dad during the ending where his dad is just like horrified like he's just horrified the direction his son is going and I think that's like that's how a lot of us react as audience members I interpreted that differently I thought he's very proud. Ah, okay. Really, I saw it as a look of pain because he's spending the whole movie trying to, yeah, he's trying to support his son and he's

like the only one after he gets humiliated and he comes out and he embraces him. He's kind of the force of positivity, but it's not good enough. It's not enough for him. It's such a crazy mind fuck for me because like I don't, I've never felt the way that you guys are saying,

you feel about the, I guess, particularly the ending and like the moral implications of the main character and I guess maybe that just says a bit about myself. You know, because I've always had this like mentality of like, yeah, you got to make fucking sacrifices if you have a drive if you want to do anything with your life, you know, sort of thing. If you want to get to the goals that you, that you actually believe are important for you, then you have to actually make sure it happens, right? And nothing else matters. Yeah. I think he goes beyond reason is the problem. And it's a tremendous sacrifice too. I think that's what the movie's showing.

Like, these things, they come at a cost. There's a lot of people that are happy not doing that. Like, most people are happy not doing that. Otherwise, most people would do it, right? But it really, like, I don't know. There's like a, everybody has, like, a different psyche. And there's some people that just, like, need to have that kind of drive in order to feel fulfilled. Yeah.

And it's about the grayness of that line. Of course. But I feel like in this movie, there are these other opportunities that come up, you know, like having a girlfriend or whatever. he just kind of shuns. But he made the decision not to, though. Like, he decided that that's not the important thing in his life. Yeah.

So, like, as an outsider where you can say that you would rather have a girlfriend than be a famous drummer that dies of a hair and overdose at the age of 30, but was remembered by everybody, you can say that because, like, from your own perspective, it's like, yeah, it's obvious. Like, girlfriend's the way to go, but not everybody's like that, right? Exactly, yeah. That's what's so well written about the movie. I really think it's brilliant in terms of that kind of stuff.

It's not imposing a view onto it. You take away what you deem valuable from the ultimate message of it, which is a rare quality. That's really interesting. Yeah, the only thing with him, like, breaking up with his girlfriend, I feel like he did it in just the most, like, backhanded, like, disrespectful way. Oh, yeah. He's an asshole. He basically told her that, like, she will prevent. Sorry, go on.

I'll justify that later. Like, he basically said she'll prevent him from continuing on his path. Like, he knows that for a fact. And it's just the way he did it. He could have just said, I don't think we should date anymore. I'm sorry. Like, I just want to focus on me. But he just went.

Totally fucking honest about it. He was, he was like so, like, yes, he could have sugarcoded it. He could have been like, you know, played around what he really wanted to say. But he was being fucking real. And sometimes the truth hurts. Also, she fucking deserved it. The first thing she did in the entire movie with him was play on her fucking power dynamic and manipulate his emotions by saying, No, get away and make him believe that he was being a creep for just asking her out nicely.

She deserves to be broken up like that. That is not cool. I'm sorry. That's an interesting interpretation. She fucking deserves that. They shouldn't have been dating. I like that. Yeah, fuck her.

Yeah. But yeah, that's an awful thing to do to someone. Who is that? That's super girl, right? That actor. She's in it for like two minutes, but it's like this huge actor. Yeah. Yeah, so that's good.

She got started with that. I think that was like before she got like really big like she just had like a supporting part in this movie. But yeah. In general though, he does become like more and more of an asshole. And I think like you said, like the toxic environment like in the in like Fletcher's bands. Like everyone is becomes more of an asshole to each other as it goes along. Like I've noticed like they start hurling insults like when he's about to get on stage but he doesn't have his sticks. And the other guy's talking to him.

He's like, hey Johnny Utah, turn my pages, bitch. It's like, he's turning into, like, a mini version of Fletcher, like, he's doing, like, his own insults that, like, aren't as good as Fletcher's, but, like, it's like, that's the sort of culture that, like, yeah, breathes that. Yeah, Fletcher is definitely an influence on him and makes him more, like, he kind of corrupts him. Yeah. Well, also, like, this is just something that happens psychologically with people when they place every single thing on one outcome, everything in their life, all their eggs in one basket. this is what's going to make or break everything. So like a champion fighter, you know, they spend like years training up to like one fight. And if they lose, it's like, holy fuck.

Like I'm the worst. Like the emotions that would come from that would just tear a person apart. And that's why they're such like crazy like, you know, emotional dude bros that freak out about things, you know. But yeah, this is like the only thing that matters to him in his life. And if he doesn't get that, then his life means nothing, right? Because he's been training. this is literally defined him. So if he is going to show up

and just because he doesn't have his sticks, like he doesn't have the part, he's like, no, I'm going to get the fucking part. Like he needs that. He's going to make it happen, right? So it kind of does transform him into this person that, you know, yeah. Might not be emotionally healthy.

Yeah, I love that scene because it's like he, because it's like he's finally like standing up to Fletcher, which is like no one else in the movie ever does that. And what I, the one line that really gets me is like when Fletcher's like, I can cut you anytime I want, you would have cut me by now. And just like the pause from Fletcher.

Like he just, he actually like broke through him for a second day. Before he's just like, try me, you fucking weasel. It's like, it's just cool to finally see like Fletcher like taken aback by something. Yeah. Like it's just, it's satisfying to see him like go down. I love when he starts beating him up after he gets in the car crash too. It's just like, yeah. Just there, the dichotomy between the two of them is just so interesting.

Fletcher's reaction to the car accident too, I liked. I guess it's like a mild amount of concern, but it's mostly like, what the fuck? Just confused, which I thought was perfect. Like, it was so in character. And I was just very curious how he would react. He's not, he's not, like, concerned about his health. He's just like, why the fuck are you bleeding on my drum set? Yeah, exactly.

It's pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah. And then that ending, when he's like, when he gives him the wrong fucking music, that's just, insane because at that point it's like you think maybe fletcher has cooled down since getting fired he's like re-evaluated things but but no it's just his fucking revenge and that's such a satisfying line when he's like you think i'm fucking stupid i knew it's you it's just like oh god your heart drops at that moment it's like yeah it's so fucking real and serious that bar scene like when they meet in that i guess the club or jazz

club or whatever they're not really student teacher it's not that kind of dynamic anymore it's more just two adults. And so Fletcher takes advantage of it, like, okay, I'm going to trick this guy and fucking ruin his career, which is, you know, a totally Fletcher hilarious thing to do. Yeah. But yeah, so like the final, I guess the defining moment of Meeman's career almost is, is like a total ambush. But he takes advantage of it.

And I think that was good, too. The, they're establishing drums, I guess because it's a very loud, like, intense instrument. It's physical. I mean, all of them are physical. Yeah. But like he's literally wailing on that shit throughout the entire movie. Yeah, very long. But also, I think that's set up for the ending where I do think it's like the loudest,

or could be the loudest instrument. Yeah. And he just starts wailing on it. Everyone has to go along with him because there's no way he, you know. The core, it's the rhythm. If something's wrong with the drums, the whole band sounds fucked. You could be like one of the three trumpet players and like maybe do a wrong note. Nobody will notice.

Fletcher will notice. But like, if you're the drums, like, it's everything's writing on you to like actually keep things together. Like you, without the drums, if you're doing something fucked up, everybody gets fucked up in the band. And so there's that much more pressure. It's the perfect instrument. It's for the stakes of the film, for the character and his physicality, for the tone of

the soundtrack and the rhythms. And like, it's just, it wouldn't have worked the same if he was playing clarinet. The imagery, the blood and sweat against the symbols. Like, that's such an iconic moment in my brain. Yeah. You know, it's etched in there. It's excellent, yeah. There's a lot of great choices in the editing, too.

I love when he's, like, slapping him during their first, like, session together, and it just, like, cuts to each side of his face after every one, two, three, four. It's like, just that rhythm is, like, so nice. There's so many, like, great touches like that in the editing over the course of the film. Yeah, the editing's excellent. The drum sequences, editing's excellent. A lot of different angles. And it's all very convincing from, like, a perspective of,

knowing what sounds are coming from what parts of each instrument sort of thing. A lot of movies that show music or, you know, show people playing music in the movies. They don't give a shit. A lot of movies like that, they just, it looks so fake, unfortunately. It's difficult. I think it's difficult to do that. If you're a person that knows music and you're directing a movie, you can make it happen. For the part where J.K. Simmons is playing the piano at the bar, the piano notes looked very, very convincing.

it didn't look like it was being cheated like J.K. Simmons might have just learned 10 seconds worth of that actual song just where it showed the seamless him playing it. You can tell it's him doing it. But yeah, I love directors that do care about music and the way music is shown in their film

whether it's something that's happening diageically or not. This same director, Damien Chazel, even though this is his directorial debut feature length, he wrote a film called Grand Piano directed by somebody else and it stars Elijah Wood and it's very short also

it's very low commitment but it's so much fun and so stupid it's a lot more stupid and cheesy I've seen Grand Piano it's funny oh it's so fun I love it it's a little like bit of a guilty pleasure sort of thing it's really dumb but like concept is he's like a washed up

pianist and he's like trying to redeem his career with this one show But then there's a sniper and he says if you play one wrong note, you'll die. And he's like, whoa. And there's the soundtrack and the intensity of it. It's like very much like whiplash. There's a lot writing on him getting the notes right sort of thing. It's a lot of fun.

The pacing is very quick, a lot like whiplash. Yeah. It's very exciting. Like the first hour of that movie is very engaging. It's funny. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, I get. But this is like much more serious.

This is actually like a real. real movie like a drama that works. Which is interesting because at the same time it's also very cartoonish. The whole drill sergeant aspect to this and like, you know, it's it's a little over the top. Like this is not what a regular music music school is like. And yeah, I guess, you know, there's legal consequences in the film. Obviously, this was a bit abnormal even in the film's universe, but like everything's exaggerated a little in terms of like the stakes and what emotions the characters are going through. And, you know, it kind of brings almost like a black swan type of thing,

like this pressure of this environment and like growing up and trying to like fulfill your goals and getting things right and your peers and competing with them and all that shit. It feels very cartoonish, but it's just at the right point before it would just go way off the edge and feel stupid. Like it's still a serious movie. Yeah, it rides that line. It's a genre movie. It's a thriller.

but it's also like an art house drama that you just kind of see at an indie film festival and it rides that perfect line I think it's just cartoonish enough it's really intense it's clearly going for that kind of

intensity or thriller vibes but not it's not boring I don't know it's not Gene Diehlman but it's still something you would see in that kind of festival environment you know I think that's why it works yeah that's what I like about it

It's like a very accessible movie. Like, it has a lot of, like, really engaging themes. And, like, it's just such a, like, well-constructed narrative. But, like, it's also, like, just engaging. And, like, I feel like I could have my friends, like, watch it and they would have a good time. Yeah, recommend it to anybody. Yeah, who dislikes Whiplash. Yeah, I've shown this to a few friends of mine, like, just watching it with them.

And, yeah, they don't want to shut it off because it's so good. Yeah. They're like, wow, that was fucking awesome. That's one of the best movies I've ever seen. I'm like, yeah, it is. It's fucking intense. It's a great character dynamic movie. and that's like the drums make it so much better

but at its core really it is just two people yelling at each other and because of how well they bounce off of each other and like the emotional stakes associated with like these characters and how they interact with each other it's just it it carries the whole movie fucking jk. Simmons is so great Miles Teller he's not doing anything much after Fantforstick I don't think he was in that Winding Refin show I don't know

he's a good actor he's um he's in the top Gun, the new Top Gun, which got delayed to November Saturday. That will be great. I'm looking forward to it. Boom, boom, boom, pew. Top Gun's great. Have you seen that? Not yet.

I'm aware of what it is. No. Yeah, you're aware. Yeah, everyone knows Top Gun. Exactly. That'll be great. Yeah. Amos Tall is a good actor, I think.

Fan 4th Stick was a missed up. No. I really liked him in this movie. And he's got a look where he's not a pretty boy. He's got some stars. He's not like Tom Holland on that last. movie. Yeah, he's got... Yeah, he should be the next jokester.

He should be. It's better than Jared Leto. True. But he's got this look where he's not the traditional leading man. He looks kind of weird. And he is a weirdo in this movie. I think that works to the character's advantage. I really like his character. He feels awkward and very driven by this one goal. You could tell like he hasn't really done anything else with his life except drum. which is great. I think that's really good. I think that's perfect.

Something I want to talk about is just how effectively the film communicates the essentials, right? So one of the essentials is like, okay, the J.K. Simmons character, we need to establish just how important and like revered and intimidating this character is, how much other characters put him on a pedestal. And so the first establishing moments of this character and how other characters talk about this character, you know, the Miles Teller is in the theater with his dad and he talks about how J.K. Simmons saw him practice. And the way that that is written, they don't say his name. He just says, oh, he watched me play. And he's like, how did it go? He already knows, right? And so it's just that little detail of like establishing like, oh, this is a big deal because they didn't.

didn't even have to communicate with each other. Nobody asked who is that. He didn't even say his name. He just said he, he saw me perform today and the dead already fucking knew. And so stuff like that is just like really effective at communicating the basics, the essentials of what needs to happen in the script. And, you know, also the conversations that Miles Teller has with like his classmates and stuff and how as soon as J.K. Simmons enters the room, like everybody's just fucking like silent. You know, like, pin drop. Like, you know. Like even even their instructor. Just because of how the film is communicating, it's very effective at communicating these really essential basic ideas, which it seems crazy to think that a lot of films don't. But, you know, you got to appreciate when it's done right.

It seems so simple, but it's just, it's apparently not, you know. Yeah, apparently not. Yeah. One of my favorite story beats is the music going missing and the whole question mark was on that. Man, that's like one of the. of my least favorite parts. Really? I think it's really important to have that in there and the fact they don't give you a concrete answer. Yes.

Because they're really building him up and really, like, that dinner scene, they really kind of establishes motivations and you see that he'll do anything. So you're really left there thinking, he could have done that on purpose and sabotaged him. It's what he's been taught by his teacher. It's just like repeating similar patterns. However. Yeah. I completely agree with you that I love that being. there, I don't think the way that it was shot was effective in doing that. Because if let's say, if let's say he went to the bathroom, had to set it down, came out, you know, like set it down on the thing behind him, pissed at the urnacle, turned around and then it was gone. That would have worked

so much better, because then there would be an actual question. The way they shot it, he's like, he literally, it's right next to him. Nobody else is there. He just takes a sip of Pepsi and it's gone. And it's like, okay, well, nobody, like, either it vaporized or he did something and then it cut, because nobody could have done anything there. It was right in front of him, right? So I feel like if you just had a bit more to it. It's more the implication knock-on effect, I love. Exactly, but you could still have that without literally the only option being either vaporized or he threw it out and they just didn't show it.

Yeah, yeah. Like nobody else could have taken. I would have loved to have been thinking, what if Fletcher took it? I would have loved for that to be a possibility in my mind. And maybe perhaps that was the intention, but the way it was shot, it's not possible. Yeah, I remember somebody left a comment on one of my videos when I talked about that scene. And they said, like, yeah, Fletcher took it because I think they said you can see, like, the folder, like, later in the movie with, like, Fletcher's belongings and it has, like, the markings that the other kid left in it. I'm not sure if that's true or not.

but like, yeah, but I see what you mean. Like, I like the idea that Fletcher took it, but the way it is shot, yeah, it seems kind of weird that like Fletcher could have just swiped it. Yeah, it rules out the possibilities because of how it was shot, unfortunately. Yeah. And just, yeah, really simple fix. He could just have him turn around for a second at a urinal. He's occupied. He's not, he doesn't have a mirror in front of him.

So anybody could have walked in and taken it in that moment of time. That would have been an easy thing to do. but they wanted a Pepsi product placement, I guess, helps fund the film. Yeah, that didn't bother me really at all. The film is so fast-paced. Like, I just kind of glanced over that. Yeah, I was into the politics and kind of betrayal of it. And the magical realism, it's not that realistic of a movie or that.

It's a very, it's very over-dramatic, I think, this whole film. And I like that about it, like the car accident, you know? It's like every possible turn in which, every possible turn in which this character can be tested, he is. That's because that's the way this movie's interesting, you know. Car accident, this, and I like that about the movie. I don't know. Yeah, he has to be pushed to the limit. Yeah.

It doesn't like ruin the film or anything for me. I'm just saying I, if within 10 seconds I can think of like a way better way of how it could have been shot that doesn't even cost any more money. Like there's one other thing I don't like about this movie actually. And that has to do with the writing. Yeah, the dinner scene writing. You've nailed it. You nailed it.

So transparent. I wish, again, I like the ideas. Obviously, they're very important to set up. You know, his passion, how he doesn't fit in. He's a bit being a bit of an outcast. He doesn't care about having friends. Other people around him, obviously, have the different perspective. He doesn't care about the overdose sort of thing, blah, blah, blah.

That can be communicated without the writing being so fucking transparent and obvious. Everything else about the movie's great. It is very overt, isn't it? The issue with that scene is that's the point of the scene. And that's not the way other scenes in this movie are. Like, the ending? I don't know what the point of the ending is. There's a lot of different ways you take it.

That scene, I, you know, I feel that same thing. Like, what is he doing all this for if the general people in his life, like his family, who he would see often, are just kind of like, they don't even know what the fuck he's talking about or they don't care, right? They're like, oh, you're doing your drumming thing or whatever? I understand that. But it's, it's, there needs to be other things going on. I don't know. The seam is too short. It was just one I felt transparent.

I felt like that's he could have been the first 20 minutes of the movie. You know like I could have gotten to know his whole family And I would be like wow, okay Yeah I don't know I don't know You could just communicate the same ideas Without it being so obvious Like Damien Chazelle's a very

He's a very eccentric filmmaker He likes like the The emotion And like the spectacle Like that's why it does musicals and shit like that Maybe his character stuff is I guess it's fine in this movie But I like the excitement

excitement of the movie. I think that's what makes it work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the visual flow. Yeah, that's why it's just like eh. Well, it's because there's a very obvious goal for that scene to take place, and that's the only reason why the scene takes place, right? Like, there needs to be something more to it where it's not just like, okay, this is the only reason why this character is here saying this thing, is to communicate this idea sort of, like, it needs to feel less transparent. There needs to be some other justification for it or maybe just have it written in a more natural kind of way. It's difficult to pinpoint exactly what's wrong with it.

It just feels like such a fake scene. Convenient, yeah. Yeah, kind of convenient and more just like amateurly written compared to the rest of the film. It really does. Because it's Blumhouse. It's kind of preachy in a way. Yeah, it doesn't bother me personally because I still like a lot of what that scene sets up in terms of like him explaining like the whole Charlie Parker thing.

And like, I don't know. It's like I like the whole like showing that how sports are more valued than like music related things. Like that's saying I've had to deal with as well. Yeah. Yeah. That's excellent too. The exact same ideas I would love to be communicated just handled differently. So like same thing with the fucking thing going missing.

It's not. I love that those things are in the film. Like they're totally, they need to be there for the beats of the film and the story to happen. But I just wish more care was placed into how they happened instead. instead of just it happens because it needs to and it's obvious for that reason sort of thing. Like, obviously, yeah, these things need to be there. It's just, it could have been handled a bit differently. Yeah.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Otherwise, I mean, like, I love the movie. Those would be my only criticism. That's that one scene. Yeah. But, like, that's just a criticism. I love this movie. And, you know, just trying to find something wrong with it.

I guess that's it. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. It's so engaging. It completely blew me away the first time I saw it. Mm-hmm. I was just stunned. at the end of it, because the ending is fucking awesome.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's one of the best endings of any movie. It's like the most exciting showdown. It's a great showdown. There's no dialogue, you know, so completely dialogueless. And you don't even really notice. You're just so engaged in what's happening.

Yeah, I love the progression of, like, Fletcher in that scene, how he starts out, like, Neiman, what the fuck? And then, but then as it goes along, he gets more into it. And then he, like, fixes his symbol when it breaks. It's just like he's, like, on his side at that point. It's just like, it's exciting to see. A huge range of emotions. That's what I mean about the bitter sweetness,

because, you know, Neiman's a dickhead and he's kind of lowered him to the dark side of it. But it's also like they're getting along. They're like teaming up working together. Like, it's very satisfying to see them like on the same page finally. Like he has some respect for him. There's a perspective shot near the beginning of it when he's like starting to take control over the scene. Oh, yeah. It looks like just because of how it's angled and how it's blind.

it looks like Fletcher gets hit by the symbol when he shows up he's like what the fuck but he doesn't and the movie is not to make you believe that he does but it's supposed to make you think he was like really close to it and even though that symbol wasn't like technically out of place in the song like it was still at a moment where it would make logical sense to appear in the song it almost like there's this weird implication of like I hit that hard to throw you off and you were next to it and I'm mad at you and I'm taking control now and just these like kind of cool moments like that My mouths fuck you as well

Yeah yeah yeah dialogue list but it communicates like a very specific point like immediately You're like yeah that was great The whole ending is fantastic the editing the music The orange glow lighting of the movie Yeah I thought was you know very purposeful unique There's the scene where like he's breaking up with his girlfriend That scene was like very cold lighting and like bluish I notice So I guess they were going something like that

They were going for something there Yeah, I like that choice I thought it was really Deliberate Whenever he's practicing basically It's orange right The lighting like in the practice room When he's on stage

At the end Yeah That's another cool comparison Between like the short film And the movie Like the movie has like kind of flat lighting It's just like It's not really anything special

And then you compare it to like What Damien Chazel can do with a budget It's like the lighting is so harsh In the practice room And it's like so visually interesting Because it's seen as like this orange like tinge is almost seen as like a

like a technical flaw almost like it's like you didn't white balance the camera correctly that's why the original one it kind of looks flat like I agree with you like I like the short film but it looks flat and I love the look of this movie because it did that orange

tinge but it used it it in a way that's very you know artful like it's communicating his passion for drums and then when he's breaking up with his girlfriend it's that cold lighting again or like during the date scenes or scenes with his dad

you know it didn't feel like a flaw. It actually enhanced the movie a lot. It was a very noticeable choice. It was a distinction. It also felt very natural to like that school environment too. Even my friends of mine who don't know anything about movies, they were like, oh, what's with the

orange lighting? Like, why was that a choice that they made? I'm like, oh shit, they noticed that. You know. Yeah. Well, it also felt like a bit natural towards the like kind of school band room environment sort of thing too. Like I've always felt

But they kind of have that kind of a tinge whenever I've been in one of those rooms, you know? Yeah, either orange or like green, like really ugly, like lighting. Yeah. There's another example of the blocking that I really enjoyed, and it's kind of subtle. When Fletcher brings in his rival classmate, whatever, the muscle hunk dude or whatever, to play the drums and just to intimidate Neiman or whatever. And he tells Neiman, like, no, this is... you fucked it up. Let him have a try. He's like, what, are you serious? And then the moment, the first, the first instance of this rival classmate being able to play the drums, you can see Neiman is just like uncomfortably close standing behind him. Whereas like in every other scene, he would be like sitting next to turning the pages or whatever. But in this instance, he's like so close to him, almost in a way to like try to like mess him up. But nothing is communicated about that. It's just like in the blocking of the scene. It's in how it's staged. And it's very, very. very effective because you can see the intentions of his character, the emotions of his character, obviously he's having like a bit of a mental breakdown just standing there, but he's not going to say anything because he's trying to impress the, you know, Fletcher or whatever.

Yeah. Fletcher creates like a very competitive environment. Yeah. He like totally takes advantage of his power. And, yeah. I think that's a theme of the movie as well. He's a little bit abusive. Yeah, massively abusive. Yeah, people taking advantage of the power or even specifically how the education system kind of, they don't really teach. you anything. They just kind of enforce this competitive mentality into your head where every student is a fucking enemy and you have to be better than them. You're going to fight. Yeah, fight them. They're like, they're not your friend. You're not there to learn from them. And it's that, it's that environment that's so messed up. And even Fletcher has like, he has this backstory with this other student who, I think, committed suicide or something like that. Sean Casey. And it's like this one bit of like this glimmer of humanity in this character. Yeah. But he, lies about it and says it was a car accident.

Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't want to feel accountable. But I didn't take that as a negative toward like, I don't think he's manipulating people. I think he can't even confront like his own guilt, you know. They say you on the fact that he believes everything he says. He seems like a total narcissist. He seems like someone so delusional in his own head because you kind of have to be to manipulate people and yell at people in that way while also having to deal with that guilt

of like having someone like, you know, killed because of you. I don't know. I think it was a very interesting character. That gave him a lot of dimension. Yeah. Yeah, I love that scene. Yeah.

The other thing, Adam, with the scene you were talking about, like, what I like about that scene, too, is the way after, I think Connolly, his name is, like, after he's done on the drums, Fletcher's like, perfect, Connolly. It's like, knowing Fletcher, he would never, like, say something's perfect. It's especially later on in the movie where he says, like, that good job or the, is the two most powerful words. It's like, it's very clear that he's like using Connolly to manipulate Andrew and to like trying harder.

So it's like, and I really like that. Just it's so devious just using people like that as a means to an end. Very manipulative. It's just another. Yeah. It's perfect. Another great aspect of his character. Well, even that moment where like the first thing he does right after Neiman is in the class for the first time and they take like a little break and they stand outside and talks to me, he's like, you know what?

You're here for a reason. Don't let any of this get to you. has this, you know, like, just don't worry about anything. And then as soon as they go back in, he's like fucking yelling at him again, making him cry. And just like, holy shit. Like crazy, mind fucking him. Crazy manipulation. Another reason I love this film.

It's very educational in terms of like social interactions. Like maybe when someone tells you good job, maybe they're just manipulating you to, you know, for someone else's like, you know, like, it's just like that. Like, yeah, maybe people are actually very manipulative. in that environment down in real life or like every day just in that environment you know yeah people want they want to be the best you know it's it's rough yeah and the other thing with the scene where he's like hey you're here for a reason like i like how he kind of gathers like ammo by like asking him hey what do your parents do like he finds out his dad's a high school teacher and he like uses that on his mother's death it's like he's just so casually like yeah let's uh

let's hear about your life and stuff like that. And it's all just like ammo for him to like throw back, like hurl back at him during the class. It's just like so sadistic. Yeah. Just so evil. Yeah, like any amount of humanity is like weakness. He drains that out of you. Yeah.

Anytime he like seems like a human, it's just him deceiving people. I'd be more comfortable with Fletcher existing if there was some sort of like consent to this. if his classmates signed a waiver saying like you're going to be bullied this entire time and then at the end of it some dropped out because of emotional distress and some made it big because of the environment if that's what happened then that you know

power to him he has like weird teaching methods but he kind of just does this to a class he kind of just does this to people and is incredibly manipulative he's decided on his own Damian Chazel, like you were mentioning the musical accuracy of the movie. I believe this is very similar to an experience he went through in real life. Oh, yeah.

Right? Or at least that's what he talked about in interviews. How, like, Fletcher's kind of based on a real teacher he had in, like, band class in college, I think. That's awesome. Yeah, I know there are teachers like that who are just, like, so, like, verbally abusive and you want to, like, live up through six. Like, not, not anything, like, as bad as Fletcher, probably, but, like, people, yeah, there are definitely teachers like that. Yeah. And the thing, what that happens, when that goes on for so long in that kind of environment, it just becomes expected.

And so, like, the students just like, you know, like, if people, like, these teachers are just assholes, like, in real life as well. Yeah. It's just a given. Like, these students go into it knowing it's going to be a miserable experience, but they're going to endure it only to get that goal. Like, that's how much they want it. I think that's kind of a sad reality as well that the movie confronts. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I'm sure it. Most asshole teachers are not doing it to breed the next Charlie Parker or whatever. No. I'm sure most of them are just on a power trip and just get off on the authority they have over others. But... Yeah. There's a lot to say about with this movie. Yeah.

It captures the city really well. Mm-hmm. I think that too. It wasn't entirely shot in New York, but like, especially the opening I love. Mm-hmm. Or it's just all the shots of the city and he's like walking or whatever. Like, I love that. Or the Pizzeria, like that stuff.

It felt very organic. Yeah. This is a pretty phenomenal first movie for Damie Chazelle. Yeah. You shit on his Apple ad. Have you seen his Apple ad? No. I don't think so.

I think I did watch that, actually. It's terrible. Jamie Chazelle. Oh, wait. Oh, that's stupid thing. Yeah, we did watch that. Yeah, yeah, we did. But like, you know, I love him as a director.

I think this is his best movie. Yeah. Yeah. This is a super amazing. piece of work. It's so like there's so much passion behind it. Definitely. I just get that sense. Yeah, it's very exciting.

It's very inspired, yeah. It's a great fucking first movie. How did you get it out of ten? God damn. I'm going to give it a ten out of ten. Big shock there. Yeah. It would say it was my favorite movie. It would be funny if I give it like an eight out of ten. And yep, my favorite movie.

Six. Nothing is a bit better than an eight out of ten in my opinion. I would give it a nine only because. of like a couple scenes of like minor criticisms but yeah this movie blew me away when I first saw it

and every time after I really like it so yeah I think four and a half star nine is about right yeah I feel the same way I was completely blown away

the first time but I thought I was gonna be the only person giving it a nine it made me feel no it's it's it's almost there yeah yeah I want

I want to give it a 10 the last scene is a 10 much of the movie is a 10 yeah no doubt Lots of the movie is a 10. A little bit of rooms for improvement. Tiny, a little bit of things that I would have rather had handled a different way, but still love it. Yeah, the ending sequence particularly is just so, so engaging.

I was taking notes throughout much of the movie, you know, just have like a little notepad open on my laptop sort of thing. And then like, even though there were things I wanted to like write down about the ending sequence, I was like, no, I just closed my laptop and I just watched it. Because I was like, just wanted to experience only. Like, there's no point. I could just remember that after. You know, I'm not going to take away from this moment because I know it's just so, so engaging and so well done.

It's one of the best endings ever, I think. It's really, really satisfying. And it goes on for a while. It's, yeah. Original thrilling. Nine out of ten. Great movie. Yeah.

And, um, Land is great too. Not as scary though. Yeah, I'll be watching that again sometime soon. Yeah. All right, let's do some questions from the Sardonicast community then. If you want to leave your own questions, head over to the subreddit suggestion thread where you can ask whatever you like.

Number two, DreamWorks fan is going to start us off. What are your thoughts on the space dram trailer? And are you getting tired of yeah, sorry, let me try that again. What are your thoughts on the space jam trailer and are you getting tired of massive crossover movies?

No, I'm never going to get tired of him I thought that trailer looked a badass Really? I thought it looked great I don't believe you Ralph It looked awful I mean what did you expect from Space Jam 2 trailer I'm like I wasn't expected Game of Thrones references I'll say that

Or clockwork orange Clockwork orange I was thrilled that 2D animation was actually in it A little bit It looks so much lazier than like the 96th animation obviously. No, it does look worse in the 90s. Because it's just a bunch of like digital keyframe shit where you don't actually draw every frame and so it's just much cheaper.

And it looks cheaper. It looks stupid. The lip syncing animation on LeBron in the trailer was just like so bad. And then the CG shit comes and it looks cheap as shit too. It looks awful. Everything just looks really, really like. Yeah. It looks awful.

This is from the director of Scary Movie 5, so whatever. I can't wait to talk about it. Yeah, I'm just tired of this whole like corporate mandated crossover thing with like every IP that I guess like kind of started with the Lego movie, but it was done okay there. And then like kept going to Ready Player 1 and then fucking like Ralph breaks the internet. Like I'm so fucking tired of it. It's like everyone just kind of copies what Marvel does. And it's like Marvel built up to having a big crossover over 11 years. And it's just like everyone else just they just take a look at the end of end game.

and it's like, hey, let's just jump straight into that. Let's just have every character on screen at once. It's satisfying in Marvel, though, because they exist in the same universe. It's just strange when you have the Iron Giant running around with these 2D characters. Yeah, it is. Yeah, people just take the wrong lessons from Marvel's success. It's to advertise the titles on their streaming platform. Yeah.

Look at all the things we got. Yeah. Well, I just find the Iron Giant one's so strange, because the Iron Giant wasn't like a big monetary success. But it's a cult thing. Yeah, it is a cult thing, so it's all over a play one in this movie. Yeah. Yeah.

Can't wait. Yeah, that's the motivation's known, doesn't it? Could you imagine, like, a Lionsgate doing this? They got, like, Catnus Everdean, they got Hellboy, they got Medea. And it would all be in the woods. Jigsaw. Yeah, jigsaw? Shit, that would be a good man.

I'd rather see that than Space Jam, too. That would be actually kind of funny. In time set. Yeah. Because when we were talking about the original space jam, part of the fun of it is just the fact that it is like the time caps on 90s. I can't believe this was made. This is so stupid thing with the music and everything.

So bringing it back for nostalgia purposes and doing like remixes of songs from the first movie. It seems so tacky and desperate. It had a killer soundtrack, something that this movie won't have. Yeah, probably not. Just a bunch of references and like the same gags. The first one isn't high art, though. like if this is funny then it would be fine

I just want to watch a funny movie it was pure it was pure that I'll give it and that movie's funny too I think both genuinely and and like ironically yeah

there's a lot to love about space jam if this movie's funny and entertaining then whatever you know we'll see we'll see what happens it's not gonna be they showed the best parts in the trailer rough I'm not a hatred for it probably

it looks it looks so fucking it looks cynical you know it looks like it's just it's made for the wrong reasons and I guess like yeah it's Space Jam 2 in the year 2021 it might as well just be a gigantic

nostalgia cash grab thing but it could have been it could have been something that at least tried in some way to recapture the spirit of the original if you're going to capitalize off of these previously existing IPs then perhaps

maybe if you had a little bit of a soul you would try to recapture some of the energy, some of the tone, some of the design, some of the feel of these IPs because obviously you're banking on people seeing the movie because they recognize these things. Why would you make the movie nothing like these things? You look at fucking CG Fred Flintstone. He looks like a monster.

It's terrible. Now Lola Bunny is just Lolly Bunny. She's a fucking child now. Yeah, because the SpongeBob movie started doing this, didn't they? where they prefer to be live action slash CG as opposed to the original 2D form that they're in it's not a trend I really enjoy The new SpongeBob movie?

They've been done it for a couple of their movies now haven't there Yeah It turns into a CG live action thing I don't even mind the CGI I think that's fine You want to change the art style I actually don't think kids want to see that shit Even anymore of 2D

I think they hate 2D I don't know I'm not a child I can tell you what I would rather watch. And it's not even like, yeah, whatever. Like, CG, 2D, stop motion. It doesn't matter, really. Like, I want some variety.

I don't want 2D to be killed off as a medium. And it all depends on how much passion and effort you're putting into it. The problem I have with a lot of these, like, we're doing it in CG now movies, is not because of the format, not the medium, but because they're doing it in a way where it's like, okay, obviously you're doing it just in a way that's easier and cheaper. right some people got mad at me because I said that 3D is cheaper I don't mean like in every instance obviously fucking James Cameron avatar or Planet of the apes or like anything that's like a real huge budget

CG thing is obviously going to be more expensive to produce than traditional animation and it depends what kind of traditional animation you're comparing it to because if you're going by like the 2D shots in space jam that's just like keyframe flash shit like that's not it's like not even really too 2D animation anymore. It's not like old Mickey Mouse cartoons. I'm talking about like traditional drawing every frame at 24 frames per second sort of thing, right? Exactly. Compared to the quality of animation in Space Jam or the SpongeBob thing where it's like, okay,

these are really, really simple textures here. Like you look at Lola Bunny's fur, it's like, holy shit, this is like PS2 game shit. Like they didn't try it all. Like they obviously did this in a really cheap way. I could be wrong. I'm not an animator. I don't have all the numbers, I guess, but that's how I feel anyway. I mean, either way, it looks like trash.

It looks bad. I just thought the trailer was fine, and I haven't thought about it. I haven't thought about it much since. Yeah, I think it'll be great for kids. Did you like the grandma? She did a kicks and stuff? Oh, that was an epic moment. It's going to be epic.

I thought that was an epic moment. You're going to watch a day one? You see it on release date? Yeah. It'll be on HBO. Max, right? Or whatever. H-Bow. They'll be on some service. Yeah, I'll watch it there.

Sounds fun. I admittedly have not seen the first Space Jam yet, but I will have to watch it before Space Jam too. I'm sure the first one will be much better. I'm sure it'll be much better than this new one. It's a right of passage into adulthood. That's true, yeah. I read that one from the library when I was like a little kid. Oh, library movie.

On VHS. Yeah. Space Jam is a classic. It is. It really is. It's why I recommend. I recommended it. I recommended it for the show and we watched it. It's fucking hilarious.

One of the first CDs I owned the soundtrack to that movie. It's so good. It's a fucking killer sound track. It's actually iconic. Yeah, it's awesome. That's part of what helped the first movie. They knew what they were doing. It was like fucking number one billboard shit for like a stupid Looney Tunes movie starring a basketball player.

But like the soundtrack being so good sold the movie a lot, because it gets a lot of plays on the radio, and the people go see the movie. It's just an ad for the movie, yeah. That James Bond movie that came out Skyfall, like, that song was huge, and that movie made so much money. It made much more than Quantum of Salas. And that happens with a lot of different

things. Or Titanic, like Titanic was one, right? Yeah, the Celine Dion song. Yeah. A heart will go on. I'm sure that movie made a lot more money, because people heard that song on the radio. Yeah. All right, it looks bad. I hate it. Next. Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen with this one, though.

Charlie's Angels is another one. And then, like, the new Charlie's Angels bombed. And then Elizabeth Banks is like, oh, it's because men are sexist or something. Like, like, men don't want to see the movie. Yeah, whatever she needs to tell her thought. It's because it's not Cameron Diaz, Lucy Lou and whoever, Drew Barrymore. And it's because it's not that soundtrack. Yeah, a killer soundtrack.

They had Beyonce, I think. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, it's just not the same thing, right? To blame men for that. Come on, Elizabeth Banks. What do you do? It depends on me if I want it.

Yeah, it's not my fault. I love that song. Destiny's Child. Yeah. Charlie's Angels is a classic. Failing ad 6-715 has one. What is your favorite and least favorite animated movie? Lion King and Lion King.

Fucking. Fucking 94 in 2019. Oh, God, it bothers me that it counts as an animated movie. God, that bothers me deeper. Oh, God. My favorite keeps switching. Sometimes it's spirited away. Sometimes it's the Incredibles.

It's like, I'm not sure. I think right now I'm leaning more towards the Prince of Egypt as my favorite. Like, I just really enjoy that one. Really? I think it's a really mature, like, story. Yeah, I want to rewatch that. I haven't seen it. Yeah, it's got some good songs in it.

I think it's excellent. I can't just say one. Yeah. As for my least favorite, probably cars too, because it's just like, it's honestly, like, just as bad as everyone says it is. Yeah, so far. Worse than a good dinosaur? Yeah. Honestly, yeah.

I would love to say the good dinosaur is the worst, because like saying Cars 2 is the worst is such a cliche, but like, yeah, it's just so awful. Have you seen Norm of the North? I have not seen Norm of the North. Have you seen Ratatoying? Maybe. I have. And you know what?

I actually preferred ratatoying over Cars 2. At least it was half the length. You know what? I love ratatotoying. It was half the length. It was kind of funny and how bad it was. Cars 2, I just hate. I think it's the fact that it's Pixar.

that makes me hate it more. Yeah. Ratatolline's a classic. Notable decline, wasn't it? Yeah. That was the star to Pixar's decline. Yeah. Yeah.

Ratatoying 10 out of 10 masterpiece. There's definitely like food fight is awful. Right. Still need to see that. Yeah. But I mean like a mainstream like a big release animated movie. It was like released in theaters. I got to go minions or mores.

Like anything from illumination. I think they've, They're responsible for making the youth of America dumber. Wow. And their movies are awful. Like really, Minions and Lorax specifically. They are responsible. I've been saying that forever.

Like, these movies are so stupid. They're so, like, fluff. There's just nothing going on. It's like total junk food. It's total cotton candy. One day, Minion fans are going to be running the world. They can be running all the countries. How do you know it's not happening already?

I'm going to find out the true effect. How do you know Boris isn't a minion lover? They're brain dead. True, actually, yeah. Good point. And Biden. He probably is a minion lover. My favorite, I'll go Toy Story or Incredibles, like anything for Pixar.

Those two are phenomenal. And then that new Spider-Man movie. The Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. That's one of the best movies. Yeah, no, that's up there for me. It's phenomenal. Yeah. For kids especially, I think that's like.

And we talked about Nightmare before, Christmas, I think I would put that up there. Yeah. That's a good pick for favorite. I know least favorite for me is probably Sharktail. Interesting. Really?

Like, look, Sharktail's bad, but I don't hate it. Sharktail's funny. Come on. You don't like a Mards Square scene. No, I find it funny. I find it funny. But I have a history with that movie. I just remember discovering it when I was younger and just

being so repulsed by every decision they made. And that was even as the target demographic. Yeah. I just find it so embarrassing. Like from that era when DreamWorks were kind of like loosely copying, like, what Pixar was doing, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

The warring, like, bug movies and the warring fish movies. And just the character design alone is just so... I'll never forgive that Will Smith Fish thing. Yeah. Sharktail is like a huge fucking meme on my channel because like I kind of ironically love it like it's awful but I just like every decision it makes it so baffling and incomprehensible that I just I love it I love the fact that Martin Scorsese voices one of the characters for some reason like it doesn't make any sense. And like they just do things humans do but they're fish. That's why I like it. It's a mob movie basically. It's about like the mafia but for some reason it's in the ocean like it doesn't need to be. but they're fish

I don't get it at all but I love it yeah but if it wasn't that it would be like sing or something like that I'd have a real illumination

yeah yeah something from them you know what I saw recently from Disney so like on the other end you got like Pixar's like Incredibles on one end

and on the other end you got Chicken Little oh fuck oh dude that's a real bad is really bad and that is aged horribly that is probably one of the worst

Disney movies like Anna It's aged. I'm so glad you reminded me of that because I re-watched it. It's really almost unwatchable. How bad. It's aged so badly. It's one of the worst age films.

The joke's terrible. I'm thinking about making like a full review of it. Of Chick-a-Lolel. Yeah. It's so awful. Yeah. Yeah. It is pretty stupid. Because there's, there's so much to say.

It does so many things wrong. Like, it's, it's a baseball movie that turns into an alien movie. Like, what the fuck? Like, and the humor is terrible. Every character's an asshole. It's just like. Yeah, it's pretty weird. Chicken Little is like weird.

Like it's such an unappealing character. Yeah. Horrible character designs here. I can't wait for the live action remake of that one where Chicken Little is a realistic look of chicken. Yeah. Like fucking terrifying. The best thing is like Disney posted like a tweet about Chicken Little, like get yourself a dad who like believes you or something. And it's like everyone just like quote tweeted them like Chicken Little's dad is an asshole who didn't believe him.

Yeah. They were just like dragging the Disney Plus Twitter for like promoting Chicken Little. That's very funny. Yeah, because everyone hates the dad character. Well, yeah, because there's a scene in Chicken Little. Like, Dad, you got to believe me. There's aliens here. And then the dad in front of all these people's like, no, son, I don't believe you at all.

Yeah. What a dick. The dad is horrible. You don't believe your own son? Yeah. He's like concerned about his own reputation. Yeah, what a jerk. Yeah.

Get abused by the town. It's just, it's horrible. Just a fucking nightmare of a film, honestly. I kind of liked it as a kid, though, which I feel bad about. Yeah, me too. I had no taste. Yeah, exactly. I like Transformers as a kid.

Yeah, true. Mr. Bump, 465 has this to say. Nice. What is the oldest piece of physical media you'd be willing to hold on to? I still have several VHS tapes lying around mostly due to nostalgia. Have you done the same? Yes. Yeah.

I got it. Yeah. old shit. VHS tapes, yeah. I got the old VHS, but I can't say I missed them. They were pretty shit, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah, there's like a nostalgic just having to like thing for it.

I got Lion King VHF. Yeah. But having to, when you like you forgot to rewind the movies, so you got to sit there for five minutes waiting for it to get to the start. I remember when my family first got a DVD player and I was just blown away that I didn't have to like physically fast forward

to a certain scene. I could just the scene selected. Like, oh my God, this is the future. Amazing. But, yeah. VHS tapes are kind of charming, though, like, even if they're inconvenient. But yeah, I still have plenty of VHSs of, like, old movies I watched as a kid. I always prefer floppy disks.

You always preferred what? Floppy disks. Oh, yeah. Do you watch movies on floppy disks? I don't. No, they couldn't fit a movie on. They were, like, you probably could. They weren't really used for what.

You could, you might be able to fit an image of the poster on one. and that feels like the whole thing. That's really low-red J-Pay. That is way before my time floppy disks. I couldn't tell you how that worked. VHS is like around my time. Yeah.

My family had an old computer, so we had like some floppy disks and like we would put them in. But like I don't remember much like owning any specific floppy disks. I just remember seeing my dad like put them in the computer and that's about it. They were quite a weird technology.

I tend to hold on to that old games consoles more than anything. Oh, yeah. Game Boys and Wees and stuff. Yeah, sometimes you fucking have to because they're being assholes about their IPs. Yeah. Even if I were to emulate

Kirby's tilt and tumble for the Game Boy Color, it wouldn't play the same because it literally has like the game cartridge has like a little ball inside of it for motion. So like in this, like you have to tilt your Game Boy forwards and backwards. You have to like lay it flat in your hands and you

move Kirby by tilting your game and you like flick your entire Game Boy and Kirby jumps and I still have it. It was awesome. Sentimental mostly. If only Nintendo would re-release it on the switch, that would be nice.

But, oh well. Yeah, they don't like people giving them money, so. Yeah, I keep thinking about all the money I spent on, like, the Wii store. The PlayStation store, PlayStation 3 is closing in, like, July. Yeah. And PSP, too.

And the Vita, don't forget. Yeah, the Vita. Oh, no, that's what I'm. I meant the Vita. The PSP is so old. I actually had that. Yeah. The Vita was a disaster. Yeah, I bought a Vita only to play Persona 4 Golden and then a month later got announced for Steam. So that didn't really work out for me. But, oh well, I still bought like the other persona games on the Vita. So it did end up having a use. Even though I could play them on the PSP. Are they assholes or what? Like they knew that was going to happen too. They just sold that anyway, knowing that they would release it on Steam.

Yeah, it was rough. I mean, nothing propped to me. I was just getting into persona more, and I just wanted to play, like, four, so I figured I would get a Vita for it. But then, like, this surprise announcement just on Steam, so. Yeah, it was rough. I don't know.

It's fine, though. It's whatever. At least I own a Vita. I'm one of the 10 people on the planet who goes, so that's nice, I guess. Yay. Proprietary storage. You can't.

You can't buy an SD card. You have to buy their stupid fucking $200, $4 gigabyte little cards. I worked at Best Buy at the time. Yeah, I think mine came with the cards, so that was convenient. Like the seller, just left it in there. So, yeah. That was nice, yeah. Okay, let's end on this one from Jay Guy Man.

Do you guys think there will ever be another billion-dollar movie again, with a lot of theaters closed down and most people ultimately switching to digital only. Do you think the big blockbuster crowd pleaser is gone for good? Bullshit. That's an excellent question. It's just Christopher Nolan is just whining about nothing. He's honestly just so stupid. Yeah. They're already, so Warner Brothers with HBO Max, they've already announced in the past like couple weeks. They're like, yeah, the 2021 model where they release in theaters simultaneously with HBO Max, we're not doing that next year. And they already have a

contract with a theater chain that's like 44 days after, they have exclusive theater rights. Well, not exclusive, but like, you know, it won't go on HBO Max until like 45 days after it's been in theaters. So they're already going back to it next year. So Christopher Nolan was literally just whining about nothing the entire time, even in a year when he didn't have a movie being released. Yeah, because he's scared that theaters are going to go away. Because he slowly seems like this, he's seeing this turn toward VOD toward not shooting on film. And these are all, he's a very cinema purist. I totally understand what he's coming from.

one monster King Kong Godzilla movie dumb wingered film like that broke pandemic records like that made a good amount of money in theaters it's not it's not back to where it was pre-pandemic but despite them releasing simultaneously

on a streaming service HBO Max anybody could have torrented it there were like people just decided they wanted to see it in the theater and they did obviously it's not fucking going away it's not dying like maybe some shit the smaller independent theaters will die, which will be very sad because I love those. But yeah, it's not like the industry isn't dying.

It's not like Marvel's going to stop making movies. It's not like fucking Disney is going to stop making big budget shit. Yeah, COVID put a wrench in it for sure. They had to delay all these movies. Even now, like the delayed Top Gun. Because they just don't think the movies are going to make money now. They're not going to get enough people in the theater. A lot of them are still at like capacity.

It depends on where you are. Yeah. We're vaccinating. We're getting there. Yeah. But yeah, exactly. like next year after. I think it'll get more back to normal.

It might be a while until a billion-dollar movie, but, you know, like the Avengers movies always do great. I think those will do fine. They'll make a billion. We're just in an unprecedented blow. It's Avatar 2. Avatar 2 is going to come out eventually. We keep forgetting about it.

And 3 and 4 and 5. But like, you know, who knows? That could make a billion. Yeah, I just feel like Avatar 2 is going to be fine. I don't know why my gut just tells me it's going to be huge. but I think people want to return to normalcy anyway and I think like a way to do that is like you know what I'm gonna go back in a theater

like I'll be doing that yeah it's gonna be a novelty for a while I want to go back to a theater too there haven't been a lot of great movies released either I think because it's been delayed you know because a lot of productions got delayed more as uh like as next year rolls around

and the productions start up again good movies will come out for like more more audiences, you know? Like, everyone will get the kind of movie they want, and they'll be satisfied with it. Everyone. Yeah. Everyone.

Yeah. It's like, even then, like, I was someone who was like, didn't really care about, like, movie theaters, like, before the pandemic. I was like, eh, I'd rather, I prefer to watch movies at home. But, like, now a year of doing nothing but watching movies at home, it's like, I do kind of miss the theater experience now that it's gone. I like the option. I like the choice of being able to do either.

Yeah. Yeah, the option The option is definitely great But yeah I do kind of miss Movie theaters And I didn't expect to Like before the pandemic started

Like I would have preferred To just watch them on home But now it's like Yeah I really miss them It was part of my routine Like literally every week I went to go to see a movie in a theater And it's like

It's depressing not having to go to a theater Like Yeah It's good because you have the convenience It's like blockbuster Like you have the convenience Of watching a movie at home But I like to go in a blockbuster

too. That's true, yeah. Yeah, because it's nice. It's because you want to pick out the movie and look at the covers. Yeah, it's kind of sad. It's like, depending on the audience, it's like, I sometimes like to experience a movie with an audience. Like, just like laugh at, like, jokes and, like, be, like, shocked by stuff. There are certain movies that are much better, especially comedies, like, with a big crowd. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just this nice, like, communal experience that, like, I kind of took for granted, like, before the pandemic. And now I really miss it. I love the theater experience. No one bothers you. The sound is usually great.

Stay-of-the-art equipment. Like, I love seeing Tenet last year. No one of the highlights. I disagree with that. Last year, fucking sucked balls, but, like, Tenet was a highlight. Because it was so exciting. The sound is so good. I love the film festival theater experience.

That's my preferred theater experience. Yeah. I met you at a Sundance. That was pretty cool. Yeah. Because I had never been to a festival before that. Yeah. I'm like, oh, this is pretty cool.

Do it again. Come to Tiff. Tiff is great. Yeah, I might come to Tiff. I wanted to go to con last year. Yeah, they didn't even do an online version. The fucking, you know, the pandemic came out. Yeah.

Like the film festivals online, I'm not about that at all. I'd rather see it in a theater. Because then what's the point? Well, you have to be interested in the movies that they're screening is the point. Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm all about the indie foreign directors. But like, they're indie movies. I'm not interested in any of them.

Oh, yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just like that this is where I see like most of my favorite movies in a year. I'm like... That's what I mean. It's more the experience. Like, I like just going down, sitting down for two hours and watching something. Like, I don't care what it is. And...

Festival experience is great. Roids that shit. I like the option. I don't think... If you prefer VOD, that's great. I think you should watch it that way. I like going to a theater and enjoying it that way because no one bothers me. Great sound, great picture.

Usually getting to audience that's at least like somewhat interested in the same thing you are, right? So they're going to laugh. And I miss that. Yeah. Endgame was great. Seeing Endgame with a fucking giant crowd. Yeah, that was a highlight for me too. Even though there was some asshole on his phone next to me.

I'm like, hey, jerk off. And he was the loudest one and he was reacting to it. I was like, he seemed to be like the biggest fan, but he also just wasn't watching the movie at the same time. He's just passionate about it. I'm not trying to be rude, man, but you got to put your phone away. Like, I'm trying to watch the movie too. Yeah. He's fucking yelling at like my ear.

Oh my God, it's Iron Man. Like, aren't you an adult? Yeah, that's my prefer. festival crowds for movies. They usually they're usually not a lot of crossover. Yeah, yeah. But that's still like for the most part it's great. People dressing up.

Oh yeah. The comic book crowds. The one thing that we're never going to get back is lining up for a big movie because now you just ordered it online. So like one of my memories is like Spider-Man 3. I fucking ordered a pizza in line. We were first in line. We were there for six hours.

I brought a portable battery-powered DVD player and we watched the first two Spider-Man movies, me and my friend in line. Yeah. One of my favorite, like, one of my most memorable moments is waiting online for Force Awakens, and then, like, a kid came by and said, Han Solo dies. That's great. Yeah. That's awesome.

I'm glad we don't have the lines anymore, although I'm glad I experienced it when it existed. Yeah, it was great. Yeah. Okay, fortune duck has one. Have you ever looked yourself up on Rule 34? Yeah. Yeah, I have. I didn't find anything. It was a few years ago.

I have not, personally. I think it was me being fucked by Cool Cat. Oh, interesting. I'm going to look it up again right now. I'll give you guys an update. Rule 34 is like a really pervy site. Like, I don't know much about it. You know, I'm not a perv.

Oh, sure. But apparently, like, what? People make, like, fan art of, like, like, everything, basically. Basically, it's just kind of sexualized, right? It's kind of that. Yeah, if it exists, there's porn of it, I guess, is the joke. Yeah, exactly. It's that kind of rule.

Okay, I looked it up. I didn't find anything, which that's a relief. Well, now that we're talking about it on a podcast, someone's going to make it. So you've... Yeah, especially with this audience we got, holy fuck. Yeah. Whatever. Oh, dear.

Maybe that question was in a mistake. You guys are awful. You don't have to look at it. It's fucking freedom of speech. You have your own curiosity. creative experience on the internet. You can decide to look up these pornographic things or not. Yeah.

It's a part of the human psyche I don't really go into very often. I don't want to know. Yeah, and you can, you don't have to. You can remain pure and innocent. I stay at Rule 1. I stay away from Rule 34. Rule 1 was we don't talk about 4chan, excuse me, but... That's Rule 1.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was Anyway Draw whatever you want I don't care I fucking I guess I'll say it I did like a nude

Pose for like a drawing class once That was interesting Oh really Yeah it was like a model thing That's interesting Yeah that's interesting Yeah I don't care

I'm like really Not Easy to offend Any kind of sex nudity Discussion or images or anything So Draw whatever you want I don't care

the more the merrier as long as you're not hurting anyone I guess that's fine just don't put it on the Reddit it's not it's not the place for it or if you do tag it as not safe for work

yeah tag it at least don't don't be that person I guess that's it for questions so I guess it's a time for me to recommend a film there's a few that I had in mind but I've narrowed it down to the one

that I haven't seen yet. So we're going to go with that one. It's a film by noted, uncontroversial good person, Roman Polanski called Chinatown starring Jack Nicholson and Fay, Dunaway,

and I have not seen it. Have you seen it? No, and I've always heard it was a great film, but I didn't see it because Paulanski's up Petto. Yeah, but now I've got to see it. That's great. Thank you. But, no, I wanted to see it because it's a great movie. So, thank you. So if you are listening to the show and don't want to be spoiled for, Roman Polanski's Chinatown, see it before the next episode.

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Thanks for the recommendation. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for having me. It was really cool to talk to you guys. Whiplash was a great recommendation too. Cool, cool, cool. I'll check out your stuff because I actually haven't watched it. I like some stuff.

There you go. I don't watch anything. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bye-bye. Thank you. Thanks, everyone.