Sardonicast - Sardonicast #86: The Mitchells vs. The Machines, Face/Off

Episode Date: May 17, 2021

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Three, two, one. I'd like to take his face off. That's a quote. His face off. Yeah, that's a quote from Venom, let there be carnage. Were you doing the hand movement as well? Oh, could you tell? Eyes, ears, everything, off.

I'm Adam from your movie sex. This is Sardonicast. I'm face off from Face Off the Movie Maker. I'm carnage from Venom Okay That part is so funny You can say that about a lot of parts We'll get to it

Yeah We'll get to it Yeah Quotes from the famous movie Venom Let There Be Carnage Where Tom Hardy takes his face off And gives it to the other guy What's his name again?

It started with Venom eating a bunch of waffles Oh yeah that was fun It's a Camovo movie. You know, okay, like, I was kind of into, like, the goofiness in the trailer for, like, the first 10 seconds. And then after the, it was just unbearable. It just becomes kind of boring. Yeah, it was like, oh, you're just going to do this the whole movie, I guess. And then what was with the song choice?

Like, I get that it's a gigantic, like, trailer trope right now to take an old preexisting song and make it more epic or more, like, slower and sad. But it's just, like, I don't even understand the point of using the one is the loneliest. number song. I miss Eminem. Because there's two of you, right? I miss Eminem as well. Yeah, I'm going to be so mad if Eminem doesn't have a song called Carnage. I think we need that.

And it's just the same song. But he says Carnage instead of Venom. I think we do need that. Andy Circus is directing. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. On one hand, I'm like, well, he's worked with these kind of special effects that are combining

like real world with silly CG stuff with. the eight movies and Lord of the Rings and whatnot. I could see some sense to that, I guess. And he's worked in like the Marvel universe, so he knows how that works out. There's a link there. But he's never directed a good movie, has he? He directed one movie.

Yeah, it was like the jungle book that... Yeah, the jungle book. That Netflix movie. Really creepy, creepy-looking film. Oh, there was another one I was thinking of. It was like a period drama. I forgot who was in it. Okay, let's see.

I'm going to IMDB him right now. Mowgli Legend of the Jungle which is what they changed it to to not conflict with Papa Favreau's masterpiece and then another movie called Breathe in 2017 and then the ruins of Empire is a TV movie in 2018 none of which look like things

that I would enjoy looks not good I just looked at who's who's writing it too the same person as the first movie and the 50 shades of gray in saving Mr. Banks. 50 grades of Shay. 50 grades of Shay.

It's about a man named Shay who teaches at a school. He teaches 50 children. He wrote all of those or just one of them? Well, no, it's written by Kelly Marcel. Who wrote the first movie and 50 Shades and saving Mr. Banks. Check out that poster on IMD. Yeah, I was going to comment on that. that. I was watching the trailer and I can't say that it's like really my thing, but it was,

it felt really fetishy. This, like, the first movie already awoke that sort of thing in some people, like there were some people like really splooging on the internet for the first, scenes in the first movie, like, war, war people and also the transformation goopy kind of like thing. And now I'm just looking at this poster on IMDB. It's got a POV shot from inside Carnage's mouth with all this like this saliva strands dangling from his teeth while like whoever made this poster is part of that crowd right like the guy the guy definitely went up to sony and was like please please give me a job working on venice i will do the best job or they just found him they're like yeah he made the best poster it's just the most detailed oh yeah you know but that's that's why

You put in that kind of detail when it's your thing. Yeah, when it's this weird kink. There was like a Canadian commercial, this like PSA way, way back in the 90s, and it was like, what's your thing? And it was like kids discovering, like, I play tuba. I can make noise like a dinosaur. And now I'm just imagining like, it's vore. It's venom.

Yeah, I'm conning. Yeah. Maybe, I guess maybe the dinosaur kid was, was that too. I mean, it looks exactly like, I guess, what the people who like Venom want more of. Like, the black group fighting the red goop and the big, just like explosion of color. Real slimy movie. Real wet. Yeah, slimy, sticky.

Venom's like, I guess, a good guy again. I know, that's so stupid. I just wanted, like, a fucking villain movie, but it didn't even deliver on that. And the whole marketing for the first movie was like, what was the tagline on the poster? like fucking evil something. It was like it totally played into the expectations that it would be an evil movie. Because like Suicide Squad was a thing around the time too and I don't know. Like people were definitely itching for that kind of thing. And then they're like, let's just take this character that is a villain in the Spider-Man franchise, but he's the good guy. And he saves the earth and he

empathizes with Tom Hardy and apparently he was a dweeb on his own planet or something and he feels sorry for Tom Hardy and they save the world. And they only eat bad. guys. Okay, that's not a villain movie. Fuck on. Yeah, it's like a lame anti-hero thing. It's a lame uncle hero. Yeah. Woody Harrison looked a bit like an uncle. What did you think of him? And if we didn't see much of him, we saw more at the post-credit scene in the first movie than we did in the trailer for this. He's a good actor. He is. That's all I can say about him in that trailer. I mean, I'm intrigued. I'm going to see it. But Oh, yeah.

My hopes aren't the highest. I hope it's more stupid than the first movie. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. It's what it needs. Yeah, the problem is Andy Circus is directing, so I can't even, like, it can't even be, like, epic, like, Aquaman. We're not going to see any, like, James Wan shit, you know? True, yeah, yeah. It's really unfortunate.

I want stupid and cheesy, but also, like, a talented director. I think those are, like, the perfect mix. Yeah, you're ramy. Yeah, Sam Ramey, exactly. Who already did Venom. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he did. I forgot about that one.

Yeah. There were a few villains in that movie. We just need this Venom, Tom Hardy Venom, to coexist in the Toby McGuire universe, and then everything will be right. I mean, I'd pay for that. I'd see that. We'll probably get it at some.

I mean, you would pay for it because he'd lose a bet. Well, actually, I was getting a bit scared about the bet because there was like the little spider moment in the trailer. Yeah. Oh, what happened in the trailer? I didn't even notice. Oh, spider got squished? I don't know if that was them alluding to.

Oh. Yeah, then if that was only them to Spider-Man or something. Oh, maybe. I don't know. I don't know what they're planning. They're crazy over there. Blue-balling everybody. Yeah, yeah.

There's a spider. Yeah, I don't know. It looks great. I can't wait to see it. Looks great. That's what I think. Yeah. It looks amazing.

It looks like 10 out of 10. Yeah. 10 out of 10 trailer for a movie that probably be even higher, probably be 11. Speaking of great movies, Alex finally watched Mortal Kombat, and we're dying to know what he thinks of it. So, yeah. I was fine with it for what it was, but I mean, I honestly can't remember that much about it. It was, it seemed like it was made for people who already know. everything about Mortal Kombat and it was kind of placating them as fans whereas as someone who's

never really gotten into the games I was kind of hoping this would get me into the universe a little bit but it was it was actually kind of convoluted and hard to follow as someone who isn't that into the characters and because every 10 minutes it was like changing he was on screen and it felt like a different movie now and again but then the world's like ridiculous it's like a fighting game yeah yeah it's so silly so they barely even have a story to adapt and I was okay with it when it was being ridiculous with the violence and doing the, because that's the only thing I know about Mortal Kombat is watching like the Babe Alities on YouTube, the fatality compilations. I discovered Bay Balities were a thing like three months ago.

I was like, what the fuck is this? Hopefully they put one of those in the sequel, but, uh, yeah. Yeah, it seemed like a jumping off point for maybe one of the sequels would be awesome. Maybe like Mortal Kombat 3 is going to be the one where they get the right director and they have the budget and they're able to just pull off the game's one. just a kill compilation. It'll be like Fast and Furious. We're like the fifth one and the sixth one.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We'll buy like the seventh one. It's good. Like the best Fast and Furious movies are five and seven. Yeah. James won more movies. I like the line.

He's about to get his soul sucked. Oh yeah. That was a standout line to me. Did you like the action? Um, I liked when it was basically just doing a live action version of those fatalities. But I don't know what else. It was really.

So just the kills, but not. really the choreography? Again, I don't remember that much about it. It was another blue and red movie kind of like Dingle versus Kong. Yeah. And when there's just not much going on character-wise or story-wise,

I kind of tune out when action is not engaging me. And if it was just the violence that was entertaining me, it was, you know, that was kind of what I was waiting for. Because, I mean, every time a new character showed up that I didn't recognize and it was clearly kind of edited around like an audience

reaction or something, you know, the way they do it, the fan kind of response built into it. I was just like, what? Who's this guy who's like his arms ripped off? And then it's like a half a robot. It's really stupid and I was never expecting anything other than that. But I think it was biggest problem. It was just too long. Too long and stupid.

Yeah. And it's not even that long. And it's still too long. Yeah, it just felt long. Yeah. The second act drags. I thought the action was good for the most part. I thought so.

That was pretty entertaining. Too much exposition, and I wasn't really that entertained by the action. And also, yeah, if we're going to be on this topic again, I do want to defend myself a little on the killing women and children in movies sort of thing. Because I didn't notice until I was going over the thing in the editing. And Alex, he said, why are you so obsessed with that? But in my perspective, I'm not the one obsessed with it. It's the filmmakers that are obsessed with it. They create the exception to the rule.

I'm asking for consistency. In a normal, in a normal unbiased world, you would treat women and children deaths the same as just other people deaths, right? You would treat the wife and children death as just regular people, regular human beings, right? But all filmmakers and games. This is one of those insignificant points. I wouldn't even lower the fucking score for this. It's annoying.

Well, if you're allowed to be annoyed every time they use like whatever violence, violin sound effect that you really hate or any other random trope. It's just, it's something that reminds me it's a movie and it's something that shows that they're willing to compromise and be cowards for the sake of either a rating or to appease this imaginary person that would just be like, oh, that's, that's taking it a little bit too far. It's like, well, what is your movie? You're supposed to be like blood and gore. You're supposed to like, I want it to be taken further. I love shit like fucking Gaspar No A film. Yeah, blood and gore toward people who are in the mortal combat.

You really compare it to Gasper in a way. Yeah. I wasn't comparing it in terms of like artistic merit or like creating something that's like avat guard or whatever you want to call it. I'm talking about like pushing the boundaries of being like, show me something that's actually going to make me be like, oh wow, that's actually pretty intense. You know? Yeah.

This is ridiculous. The fighters, when they die, they come back to life. Those two characters don't. It's like, you know, there's just like these innocent people. you're not supposed to think it's fun when they die. But it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, we're not supposed to think it's fun when they die, but we're supposed to feel some sort of like emotional impact.

It's sympathetic towards Scorpion's backstory. Like, that's the only thing it's there for. Yeah, but like, help me get into the character, you know? Like, fuck, show me some lust. I don't think that's the character. I think that's a really minor thing. It's like if you're not going to develop them especially, which they didn't. No, they didn't.

Yeah. I don't know. I just, it pisses me off because it's everything. single movie and it just feels it feels like they're the ones that that are paying more attention to it because it's always the same thing over and over and over you can't kill children in video games like why because it's wrong to kill children it's like okay well does that then is it not also wrong to kill adults like fuck off like don't don't make invincible children in your video games Bethesda it's so annoying if I throw a bomb at a child in a video game I want them to blow up you want to foos for a dub Yeah, well, like, cyberpunk was like that. And cyberpunk, you couldn't kill any of the kids. Yeah, it's so annoying. But imagine selling a product and a product where you could kill children in it.

I mean, I don't think, I would definitely, I definitely wouldn't make a game like that. But then why you'll put children in your game. Exactly. That's why I like Grand Deft Auto, because there's no kids anywhere. It's just like a bunch of adults run around. Yeah. Yeah, that solves that problem. Just don't put children in your video.

The people you run over is just like, oh, they're adults. It's fine. And it's a video game. Yeah, it does piss me off There's definitely a line that Especially any kind of But why? Giant film

A medium business Why is that line there from like a moral perspective? Why is a child's life more valuable than an adult? I mean, I don't really give a shit one way or another It's a movie It's just I don't know There's clearly a difference between when cabal or whatever the fucking The idiots get killed in the movie that are the fighters

And like I don't know Innocent person kids always It's treated differently Innocence, don't they? Like pure untouched innocence. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Although GTA in every video game allows you to kill like animals, like dogs and shit, you know?

Like that's just as innocent, if not more. Yeah, it's a video game. I just, it's an annoying exception. I feel like it represents caveman brain and I'm anti-caveman brain. It really annoys me. I just wish the movie kind of leaned into what it was good at a bit more, have a bit more of that violence maybe. Yeah.

Change the tone up a little bit. You have either got to take it so seriously and have everyone play it so straight that the humor comes from the absurdity of that or be a little more tongue-in-cheek with it. And I feel like it didn't really do either very well. I agree with exactly what you said. It's a good jumping off point. And like in sequels, they need to hammer in on the action. More action, more craziness.

Yeah, if they put more money into it. Because this is $50 million, the budget, which I think is pretty good. Yeah, that's not bad. It looks pretty good for that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cows walking's 100 million.

So, yeah. Great movie. I thought this film looked better. I think I gave it like a one and a half star. So. I thought the effects were good. I thought it was pretty well done movie, like all things considered. I think it'll hold up.

It's just, yeah, it's not a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination. It's not even as good as face off. Like, it's not even that kind of fun, bad movie. But I think if you're going to watch it and you're a fan of the stuff, like, it's got some good action. If you're a fan of the game, I'm sure, you get way more out of it than I would. Yeah, R-rated movie where the only actual deaths were off-screen. Great. It's just, it's so lame.

Well, yeah, the movie for babies. It's a stupid baby movie. It wasn't even hardcore. It's made for basically teenagers. I know it's rated R, but so is Deadpool. It's like juvenile kind of, yeah, like the violence is silly. If I were a baby, I would love the movie. Yeah, I want the violence to be silly.

Like it is in this movie. People get little fire. The fatalities are a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was just fine. Yeah. What would you give it out of ten, Alex? Oh, so one and a half star.

That's fair. Yeah, like I'll probably never think about it again. But it had the old thing I enjoyed. Maybe the cinematic experience aided me a little bit too. Yeah, that probably would have helped, to be honest. Yeah, dumb movie, two out of ten. Yeah, I totally understand. It's definitely a guilty pleasure.

Definitely. 100%. There's that other movie. Yeah, Mitchell... Because I haven't seen it. Verses machines. Connected, do you mean? Hmm? Oh, yeah.

I'm just referencing it. It had its name change from Mitchell and the machines to connected. What? Are you talking about it? I'm serious. Go on the IMD page and scroll through the posters and you'll see some of the art in there. Because this would have been delayed through all COVID stuff. So there was a time where...

Because this is Sony pictures, and it erected it wound up being sold to Netflix in the end. Yeah, and I think the Netflix hire-ups were like, that is an awful name. We're going back to Mitchell with the Machines. Yeah, that is a really awful name. Yeah, connected is such a bad name. It is kind of a long title. I don't know. I saw it as the Mitchells and that's it.

Yeah, I don't think either are great titles, but connected is much worse. Mitchell versus the machines embodies the tone of the film a lot more. Connected, I would expect Like some really sappy Animated Oscar short winner You know? That's what it's sounds like a Pixar Like overly emotional like manipulative

Tug at Your Heartstrings movie Whereas Mitchell versus the Machines Kind of gets the point across where it's like Oh, this is this is a bit fun You know? Like this is a kind of like a punk rock Comic-y kind of thing, you know? It's like Meet the Robinsonsons

Reminds me of that Yeah, would you think Alex? Ralph didn't see it but we're not going to spoil it and it's not really possible to spoil it anyway but we won't yeah so i think it's good for sony pictures when you're talking about angry birds the emoji movie hotel transylvania um i didn't really love it to be honest i thought it was okay thought it was solid um i liked that they were kind of carrying on this artistic style they established with spiderverse which is obviously their best movie by a mile and clearly was the success of that movie helped inspire something to do

this project because of this art style they've been going with. But that to me was probably the standout from the movie because, I mean, I found it to be fairly familiar and there were things I weren't expecting to be put off by that were distracting me. There go, things like the humor. It was so family friendly and family oriented and I know that's the audience they were going for, but I was finding it very hard to get much out of the movie beyond kind of surface level kids, family entertainment because there is so much of the.

kind of lowbrow reference humor, internet humor. I guess it was called connected because it not only is it the like family themes that are going on and connecting as a family, which is what the story's about, but it's also this mobile phone technophobia slant that's in the movie. And it's all very, very kind of obvious like storytelling. There isn't much hidden under the surface. It's all very, it's for children. So you wouldn't really expect much more.

but I feel like the better kids' movies that touch on similar themes, like Wally Incredibles, very similar kind of things going on, but they are able to tell a much more unique, creative, visually distinct story too. I like the character designs for the most part, but again, it's all fairly simple and stuff I have seen a lot of times before. And yeah, I just wasn't expecting some of the levels. of the jokes in there. Some of them were quite groaned.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot of the jokes were really like, hey everyone, I just learned what a meme was today, and I would like to show you a meme. Right? Like, that was a lot of the humor in it, and that's kind of annoying. I was okay with it

up until my breaking point, which was the I guess, spoiler's numa, numa number, sum remix point. It was just like... That, yeah, that was like... That was like reincorporated. That was like three times in the movie. That was supposed to be like their heartwarming connection to like,

oh, this song represents our family hanging out, you know. Well, yeah, the problem I was having was the tone is so, so, like, silly, cartoonish comedic. When it was trying to get serious, I just wasn't, it wasn't landing for me. Yeah. Because I just felt like there was no real weight to anything. So why should I really care about this instance? Whereas that's kind of the skill of some of the best, you know, kids' entertainment is that they're able to take the absurdity of, like, talking robots or bugs or just inanimate objects and make you empathize with them and connect with them.

And it is kind of a basic family, you know, I kind of like the conflict in the movie. It's okay. You're giving the bare minimum for what you need to like the family for what they are. But yeah, I just didn't really connect beyond the look of it, to be honest. Yeah, visual style was great, but really just kind of style over substance. I liked Spider-Verse more. I love Spider-Bers. Yeah, I know you love it a lot more, and I know most people love it a lot. But I don't know.

I wonder if most people would feel that Mitchell's versus the machines is like, I wonder if most people would feel the same discrepancy as you do. because when I'm on Twitter, I see a lot of praise for this film. It seems to be like pretty unanimous. IMDB rating is pretty good. Right. Let's see what,

what is that? Oh, 7.9. That's a pretty good rating. And Spider versus what? Like, only a couple. Let's see. It wasn't written by Lord and Miller though, and I think it shows.

That wasn't. Where are their names on it? I think they produced it. Okay. This was written by the Gravity Falls people, I think. Oh. Which I've never seen that show. I don't really know much about it

apparently it's good I've heard it's good yeah there's a significant discrepancy not huge it's like 8.4 for Spider-Verse user rating and then 7.9 for Mitchell's versus the machines so yeah I guess it's about it's about right for most people

but yeah but like when you contrast it to Spider-verse directly like Spider-Verse is so vibrant in the use of those animation format the way it's able to kind of contrive the action and bring and really get creative with the presentation of it the visual style was better the writing was better it was more memorable I'm just everything about most about Mitchell and

versus the machines honestly yeah I think it's a good family movie but that's kind of it for me it's it's like it just under the Simpsons movie sort of tier for me no yeah it just the humor didn't connect with me The humor took away from the serious moments. I don't know. Everything just felt like really predictable and bland and like subpar in terms of like what you could do. Like the visual style could be even stronger.

Like Spider versus an example obviously, but I mean, you don't have to. But the writing could be a lot stronger. That's for sure. Yeah. The humor was not for me at all. If you don't connect with the humor, then it's like, what are you doing? Because it's not like the story is unpredictable. It's not like, you know exactly.

what's going to happen the entire movie. There's zero surprises in the movie story-wise, so I just don't know what I was supposed to get out of it. Like, it was watchable, but fuck it. Yeah, there were a few lines that made me snort air out my nose that were okay. Yeah. Like when the dad said, like, this is just the disaster I've been waiting for, kind of playing into that weird dad obsession about, like, protecting everything.

There is some cleverness in there. But then for every one of those, you get, like, one of those, groan where the lines with the main character's like yeah play the montage music go and this kind of stuff it's like it really pulls me out the movie and feels unnecessary and I know they're going for that main character that in the movie the lead is kind of an aspiring film director and that's her her passion and she clashes with her dad because he doesn't really get the art side of it because he just wants to make cabins in the woods so that's what they're they're clashing over but yeah and you kind of get the payoff in the credits where you see that

it must have been based loosely off a true story with the main character. And I do like that side of it. It does make it connect a little bit more. But again, actually, one of the bigger problems I had was the length of it too. I was getting quite bored at points. Yeah, I guess it was really dragging for me. Yeah, I feel like for that kind of silly cartoony tone, it just needed to be a tad shorter for me to kind of stay engaged

because I was falling off every now and again, just because the way it's paid. If I were to like imagine the plot line, especially in terms of like location and like what wound up happening in the film, it's just like there wasn't really much that happened. I don't know how so little happened in a movie that's two hours long, you know? Yeah, like she learns to change gear. That's like a moment. Yeah. It's that kind of level.

You know, it's very, yeah, it's family friendly, kids. silliness. There were some good visuals at points. There were some good music at points. Yeah, some nice composition. But too many actively annoying parts. I found that a good amount of the humor was basically the same as like the phones are bad subreddit, where it's just like a bunch of boomer shit where it's like, this generation.

The bad guy is literally a phone. And they're on their phones and that's bad. I had newspaper. so that was better. That's like half of the humor in the movie is just like, hey guys, did you know that we live in a society and there's technology here? That's crazy.

It's like the Pink Floyd, the wall video from nostalgia critic. Oh, yeah. It's in the comments around there. Hashtag. Hashtag. Yeah, the marching bands. Yeah, but Olivia Coleman voices the villain phone, which is, yeah.

kind of a waste of casting, to be honest. Oh, yeah. It's just so obvious, you know, when you say the villain is a phone, and they're just, their conflicts are kind of like, yeah, I'm going to university and, you know, it's all just the same stuff you've seen before. You want to see something a bit more fresh, but I do guess contrasting it with the Angry Birds

with your Hotel Transylvania. I would prefer to see this kind of, at least it's an original story. they're doing something with this animation style that is not generic, like the emoji movie or bottom of the barrels, that kind of stuff. I do wish the script was better, but I'm glad families are enjoying it, and yeah, that's about all I can say about it, though. I will not be remembering this one.

It tries to stand out. I wish that it tried harder or maybe just had better writing, better story, better humor behind it. It's really just the core of the movie that just uninteresting to me. Eric Andre was in it. That was cool. There was a lot of Sony product placements. There was Sony headphones.

There were Sony phones. There were Sony Everything. Sony World. They do that in all their films, don't they? Oh, yeah. They love it. Because you could either spend money on a television ad, or you can get people to pay you money to watch an ad.

You can make a movie, and people will pay you to see the ad. So good business decisions on Sony's part. Love it. Everybody loves it. Yeah. Insanely predictable movie that had some charm to it. It wasn't vomit. It was better than most animated movies.

Yeah. Five out of ten from me. Check it out. Yeah, I would still recommend to check this out on Netflix, but don't go in expecting anything above just a solid family movie that's appropriate. And has okay writing here. Because I do want to praise the writing in some ways, because there are things I do enjoy about it.

There is some cleverness in there, but I think that humour does really weigh it down for me. Will you be checking this one out, Ralph? How does it sound? Yeah, I'll check it out because it's the Spider-Verse guys. I'll check it out. Yeah, I just feel like there's something about setting your story largely to do with phones and social media.

That's tough to make that not really cheesy and lame. I just thought of the emoji movie right away. Yeah, exactly. And this seems like the anti-em emoji movie, like get off your phone, but it doesn't make it anymore. Like, okay, it doesn't matter. It's still got to make a good movie, right? Yeah, yeah. They should have put this effort into the emoji movie.

Because at least this is a movie, you know? Like, someone had an idea for this. Someone wrote this. It's not called the emoji movie. Yeah, that's just dumb. Yeah, they didn't come up with the title first. Like, that's the best. And work backwards, yeah.

Mm-hmm. I give it a 9 out of 10. Yeah, the Mitchell versus the machines is, yeah, it's good family romp, but don't expect more than that. It's too long for my taste, and some of the writing does bother me with the comedic stuff. I just, I don't know if having Numa Numa and there were other ones in there, it was just a bit much for me. It felt kind of dated, and there's a whole kind of set piece towards the end, which is based around like an early 2000s, children's toy, which I found weird to be referenced. Because one of the characters says, like, what is that?

Like, directly acknowledging that the demographic for the movie wouldn't even know what it is necessarily because they're not even a trend anymore. Just little things like that were, like, strange to me. And it's not left much of an impression on me, but I can see why it has for some. Maybe if I had a family, like, in the movie, it would connect more. But right now, this is just a three-star for me. All right. Awesome.

Yeah, check it out if you want. Remember, we're a bunch of snobs. Everybody else seems to be enjoying it. All right. It's on Netflix. Make your own mind it. Yeah. We watched a masterpiece.

Yeah, now let's talk about like a real great movie. Something fucking good. Something that's like blew me away when I first saw it. And you first saw it recently, right? Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. It was worth seeing again. I think I raised my rating.

It's called. face-off, spoilers, right? We're going to say spoilers. Spoilers for face-off. Our 1997 film by John Wu, starring Nicholas Cage as Castor Troy, who's like a bad guy, and John Travolta, Sean Archer, who's a good guy.

Good names. I guess they're like, it's like a, you know, cat and mouse kind of chase. He's a bad guy. John Travolta's a cop, so he's chasing him around the city or whatever. Then they swap faces, so we could, like, do some undercover thing. Like, it doesn't even make any sense.

They just swap faces for some reason. And then from there, like, the Travolta, like, or is it a Nicholas Cage? As Travolta tries to, like, steal his wife and, you know, his job and everything. And, uh, I don't know. I don't know where to go from here, but the movie's pretty fucking entertaining. Yeah. It's very funny.

The two leads are really hamming it up, but they're very funny. And John Wu is like a, I think we talked about Hong Kong. cinema before, like that kind of directing style. It's very over the top. It's almost comedic. But I think it's more of a straightforward action movie, really. And it's really entertaining. I think we've all seen it before, right?

So it definitely stands out. It's not just like a bland, like, it's not just a bad movie. It's exciting. The acting is really good. Like, in a, I don't know, in a different way. Because it's, um, they're really hamming it up. During the scenery, hardcore. Yeah.

You keep one-upping each other. Yeah. So funny to watch. It's not bad in the traditional sense. It's so bad that it's actually good. I thought Travolta, in the cage, they really played off each other well. Yeah, I feel like John Wu makes this movie. Without him, you don't have this movie being as good as it is.

Apparently, the script existed and was flowing around in the 90s. And it was originally supposed to be Schwarzenegger and, Stallone in the lead. Oh no. That wouldn't work at all. So you can imagine. Yeah, exactly. But when I finally wound up in John Wu's hands, he changed the two leads. And I feel like that change alongside his direction and interpretation of the story and like taking it as seriously as he does. It's just a fascinating action movie. He takes it seriously, but it's very over the top. Yeah, they never give you enough time to

like break down and even really think about it. Because like they just, bring up the fact that this experimental face-swapping technology is just, come on, you're just doing that now. That's what we're doing now. And then they just go into it and they never really address it and just move on. And you just kind of stay with it because it's just so, so ridiculous. And Travolta and Nick Cage are basically playing themselves. Sean Archer is basically just, you know, himself. There's nothing about them that I think is that different from like how they probably actually are. Nick Cage is hamming up that he's evil. But the over-the-top nature of him, I don't know. I just thought Nick Cage all the time.

Yeah, well, the humor for me comes from seeing John Travolta doing his impression of Nicholas Cage, like, crazy Nicholas Cage. Seeing the both of them try to do each other is really fun. I mean, trying to play each other. Yeah, put the first quote on the DVD. Seeing both of them try to do each other. Try to do each other. The tagline is, in order to catch him, he must become him. And like the double meaning of the title.

Must go inside him. Literally taking their faces off. It's just so silly. You have to cheer for it. It's just such a ridiculous premise. But if you're willing to buy into the concept of the movie, which is just, that's the plot. Like, if you can't buy that, then don't watch the movie. But if you're willing to accept it, then the movie's great.

I mean, it's funny even if you don't accept what's going on. Well, if you can't accept what's going on, I mean, I don't know what's wrong with you, because clearly it's trying to be fun. Like, it's just a funny fucking movie. There's nothing about it that takes itself seriously. And I don't know. I think the two leads are fucking awesome. I think people love, they love Travolta. And I don't know.

There's something about him in this movie. Yeah. I just find one of the things that I wouldn't have appreciated the first time I saw it, but do now was the novelty of their interpretation of what this high-tech future spy stuff would look like. So were their computers with their similar? Is it the future? Really? It's either the future or some like alternate. weird thing. Like there's a prison with

magnet boots, right? They're not even clear. They're just like there's this there's this face-mashing technology. We're just gonna bring it in this like secret technology and there's like a secret prison no one knows about with the magnet boots. Yeah. And then the whole core thing and the body like swapping the body. And then within like two

seconds, well it's so it's so hard to describe because Nicholas Cage becomes Travolta and like swap each other. But like once they become each other, he like goes to his prison cell like yeah I burned all the evidence that you ever were me and I killed everyone who did the surgery so they can never do it back And now I'm gonna go go to your house and like fuck your wife and he licks his face at like that moment

When he's like oh, he's so delicious she like fucking like He just kissed his own face yeah it's fucking hysterical like oh I miss that face That moment is fucking hysterical There's a lot of great The cage is in such agony the way the cage plays it is brilliant because like I can't even imagine the pain that man must be going through like This man must be he becomes him takes his wife and so like you see him in such like turmoil like he's like oh Like so disturbed by it and like I don't know it's so over the top it's so funny If it was any other actor it just wouldn't work, you know like it's just it has to be those two in the leads

It's those two on the poster face off. That's the movie. It's it's perfect and it had to be made 97 too It's yeah had to be then and there. It's the 97 movie and it's very 90s. It's very 90s. And it's the end of the 90s too. So it's the end of an era. The end of optimism. You don't really get action movies like this anymore. It's almost too goofy now. I guess you get like a like rampage with Dwayne Johnson. Too much CGI. This is like more of a straightforward. Yeah. So I was thinking for this film, because it's so fucking loaded, I think that a great way to have this discussion would be to go through scene by scene. So let's start at the beginning. And this would also help me

recollect some things about the film because my notes were limited. I'm trying not to use my wrists that much right now. So, yeah, opening scene. We had a child death. Brave. They're good. Exactly. They're not cowards. That's true. It happened. It didn't leave

somewhere else and come back and he's dead. Yeah? It actually happened. Nick Cage shoots his son. It's a very emotional moment. Yeah. It's like the last of us. And unlike the film Gotti, where they just like forget about it. it's like brought up a lot it's a huge part of his character and like I guess Nick Cage

when he becomes Travolta he like comes to terms with it and his guilt like they actually go to his son's grave I thought that was an emotional moment it's so weird it is weird that's what makes it work it's very weird it makes him so evil oh yeah

makes him evil but it makes him yeah something was happening before this moment they have some sort of rivalry A little tit for tat Going on Yeah Well because of his son I mean but what happened before that he wanted to kill him

The son was collateral Something happened even before that clearly Yeah exactly he was trying to kill Travolta But he got the son Because they were on like a merry-go-round Oh yeah It's like the most ridiculous Like when you describe it

When you're thinking about it like oh yeah They're on a merry-girl round They do the horse whinny sound effect With like blood on the merry-go-round horse's face And it's like echo-y funny. And slow-mo and it's perfect. You know, if it wasn't that, they would be like at the ice cream shop or, I don't know, at the park.

You know, it's just something stupid like that. Mary Garan makes sense. It's funny. Yeah, you're right. And then it becomes about Travolta chasing after him. He's like at the police station. You see, he's like very pissed off. And then it's pretty intense, like the beginning. Yeah. Really? It's a very strong opening. It gets ready to action.

Travolta and the helicopter. Yeah, weighing down the plane. And what you're saying about, like, the balsy deaths, like, Nick Cage holds, like, a woman out the plane, like, as hostage, and then fucking, like, she shoots her, like, laughs about it. Oh, yeah. That was kind of funny. His reaction shot was funny.

But, yeah, you're like, man, this guy's evil. Like, this is a fucking bad guy. Yeah. And they set up right away. He kills people on screen. It's fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I love...

There's so much humor in this, in this part. Because, like, to me, I feel like the first half of this movie is super, super fucking strong. And my rating would be higher if the second half was exactly like the first half. You might disagree, that's fine. But for me, what really makes it is, like, the crazy Nick Cage is Nick Cage doing it. Right? The rest of the movie, most of the movie, is John Travolta doing it. And he's just not as strong of an actor.

He's a little bit weaker. He doesn't do the whole crazy nonsense as well. I love Nick Cage being crazy man, right? I wish the actors were swapped so that there was more of it almost. I think Travolta was funny. The moments where he was yelling. Yeah, Trovolta was funny. Travolta would like, that's what I mean about the yelling.

He would just have these little outbursts where he'd say one word really loud and it was fucking hysterical. I do appreciate that they like really front loaded with crazy Cage. They have him like dressing up as a priest and like sexually associated. assaulting a choir member in the middle like for some reason that was a quick scene and just move along the way it's played is the again the way it's played is really funny and it's set up for a later scene when you know travolta he becomes travolta and he like grabs one of the workers asses in the police station oh yeah we need to know that he's a pervert yeah he's a sexual abuser but you know he's just he's just such a bad guy he loves conquering like you know

yeah he's like a cartoon villain in an adult film exactly he's literally taken over this man's job and his body and that he was going to his office he's like yeah I'm going to take a phone call with the president and he's the worst thing I could do to you right now I'm going to do that yeah exactly it's like yeah that's what I mean he just gets off on all of that you know that's that's the kind of villainy is and I don't know I think Nick Cage is perfect for that yeah and they don't shy away from it either uh-huh I remember the first time I saw it when he's like you just straight up it's just like fucking his wife just straight up yeah you're expecting like maybe later in the movie there'd be a line like no we never actually did anything but not just

rape. It was a rape. Yeah, it's like the cobbler thing. Yeah, weird but he's evil. Yeah, it makes him so hated or so evil. So when you see his come up and there is a thrill to it. Yeah. It's crazy because this movie's so goofy but it's also so fucking balzy.

You know? This has like more actual weight in consequence than mortal combat by far. The cat mouse makes it very interesting. These men really hate each other. And you get why. And you want to see them like fight. That's the whole thing. They keep like Castor Troy locked up.

Who's actually Travolta? They keep him locked up for a while. And you see him like they fuck his wife. He takes his job. Like everything from him. And it kind of makes you feel for him. You feel for him. You're like, yeah, I want to see him get his come up.

It's like you said. I felt like he was going to fuck his daughter. but then he didn't. Well, yeah. Oh, that was actually a funny scene, though. Oh, the plot thickens. That's a funny line. There's so many great lines in the movie.

I thought there was going to be some incest. But I guess technically not. Just incest with your dad's face, and that's it. The rest of somebody else's funny. Yeah, there is something deeply disturbing about the concepts of the movie. And that does help it. Because I remember when I first saw it when I was quite young. And it was, there was something quite deeply disturbing.

disturbing about this movie and especially the way they actually like achieve the face off scene itself by never properly showing the the effects of the the ripped off face and it's all kind of obscured in the background and when nicholas cage wakes up and he like convinces the scientist well you know forces the scientist to put his face on uh travolt's face it's kind of creepy stuff and they yeah they do just they just apply themselves to it and follow through on all the the obvious story stuff. Yeah. Sure.

It is just so silly and by the time like he's adopting Nicholas Cage's kid at the end, it's like so silly but it's like that yeah, that makes sense for the story and it's come full circle. It's like a Tim and Eric skit, but it's a whole movie. It's like a secret son to know about that looked exactly like the other son. You're my boy now.

But it's perfect payoff. That's what I mean. It's the story. At least it's paid off. They did something with that character. Exactly. Yeah, the payoff is that. His mother, you know, she dies thinking that Sean Archer was a good guy and then she dies.

You know, she doesn't know anything about, you know, Travolta's actually inside his body or anything like, or has his face, like she doesn't know anything about that. She dies thinking Castor Troy is a good guy. She doesn't even know it's, you know, Travolta became him. So she dies thinking it's a good person. I thought that was a good way to enter character. That was great. Yeah.

Everything at least is paid off and even that scene with the daughter, you know, later she, She has to pick between shooting her dad or Nicholas Cage and she shoots Nicholas Cage but really that's her dad like it was paid off perfectly. She reminded me of Lisa from the room. The blonde hair and brown eyebrows and like their face is like identical. Oh yeah. It was so weird. Yeah.

Very. Did you like to see? It's like sexual assault in this movie but oh yeah. See where she's like almost, she's sexually assaulted by her boyfriend in the car and Chuggabulton just fucking kicks the the window. no end, it beats the shit out of the guy. That was a great scene, really funny. Yeah, I love that that Castor Troy

gives her the knife that she uses on him later. That's nice. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. And make sure you twist the knife so the wound doesn't close, and then she does that too. That's a good payoff. So, Pastor Troy's the bad guy. I confused myself with it. Oh, it's so confusing. I love the movie. I think it's really funny. It is confusing. Yeah. It's easier to say the character's names than it is to say the actor's names. Because then sometimes you want to say, you want to say,

like John Travolta in Nick Cage's body, but then that gets like really confusing. Whatever. So back to the surgery. A couple things I want to mention about that. I love that they're giving them haircuts while the surgery is taking place. Not like, I don't know, before or after. Even the software was like updating as they were cutting the head, which is really funny. Because you need the visual.

on the screen, the computer image of the haircut. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what the hair length is. You can't see it in real life. And then, like, I love, it's, what's funny is, like, there are some movies that would just, you know, how Looper has that, don't think about it, line, it's kind of funny, right? Or even a film like Crank probably wouldn't explain anything about it if they had this sort of thing in it, you know. But this film actually does go some lengths to explain what's happening.

And so they say things like, oh yeah, the fucking scar tissue will close up and you won't even see it, blah, blah, blah. And then one of the things that I feel like kind of works against itself, but it's kind of funny, is they show this visual of like, we're trimming down your body fat, we're like doing laser surgery on your belly so you can fit the form of Castor Troy. Yeah, exactly. So you look like the actor. Then if Castor Troy is in Sean Archer's body, then did he gain weight really quickly? how did he get fatter then? Because now you've written that and now we have to think about it

and so that's a it doesn't harm the movie because it's so silly anyway. I don't know what I like more, your face or your body. So they make like a reference to the body like that the body's different. Yeah, it's weird. Because they gave Sean Archer's surgery to make his body more like

Castor Troy. But Castor Troy, I don't know what he did. He just ate a bunch of donuts really fast. That's one of the most implausible parts of the film, but you got to buy it. Oh, the whole plot? There's also the one of the things that makes it the best. Yeah, exactly. But that's the title, right?

Face off. You need to have the face coming off for that. And to have the great scene where he goes, his face off. I'm going to take his face off. Because, yeah, it's the body swap premise, but instead of it being like magic or them just waking up in a body, we're committed to. Yeah, let's explain this. Like, there's a new technology.

They've got the anti-inflammatory drugs, so you can, you can just cut people's faces off and put them on other faces in this universe, it's fine. And then they just kill all the scientists and burn the facility down anyway. Oh, yeah. I love how quickly it all goes wrong. And it's so ridiculous. They kind of have to go, like, with that plot, you have to go the science fiction route with it, unless you go the fantasy route. That's why I like, it's like they built up from that title in a way that worked.

Like face off, okay. So we have two guys. They have to have their faces coming off. How do that? Science fiction. It reminds me like Tenet almost. Because Tenet is, that's like a real thing. It's like a stone in like the middle of some fucking, I don't know where.

And, you know, they were trying to make a movie about Tenet. So, like, how do we do time, something like that, like inversion, whatever? I don't know, science fiction, the CIA can find some thing. I like that stories are built off on that. It felt very like, I don't know, this movie's just perfect to me. It's that title and Travolta and Nick Cage on the cover. Just like that. So, Caster Troy.

with his face off wakes up rather abruptly in an unsecured, unguarded room and then tells his peeps he wants the other face and then they fuck everything up. And then Castor Troy

It's very difficult. I'm glad you wrote this down because I was just watching it. I was just taking it all in. I recommended it. I should have been writing notes but I'm just going to take this all on. This is from memory. I've seen it a few times.

Awesome. My notes were very limited because of my wrists. Castor Troy is in the prison that has magnet boots. And they can selectively magnetize each prisoner to the floor, which I kind of like as a concept, even though it's very silly and very stupid. Yeah, super dumb. And he goes in there so he can get information from Castor Troy's brother about where the bomb is planted. and then they have the scene where he's like, oh, well, I guess blowing up this place will be cool.

And he's like, ha, ha, you're stupid, I got you. And totally blows his cover well before he's actually out of the situation, which is weird, but he could have just kept playing long, but whatever. And then, yeah, somehow the whole plan that Sean Archer made, they needed to, like, it was a super secret plan. And he allowed for such oversight where, castor Troy was able to steal his body and pretend like the whole swap never happened and is like you're just gonna rot in prison now and which is I mean terrifying to think about

in like kind of like a existential dread sort of yeah sure I get that hard from that last scene where he's cutting his face so he's watching his face get cut by someone else oh yeah oh yeah it's like it's almost like being John Malkovich to like kind of horror concepts, you know? Yeah, yeah. Taking it out of reality and bringing in concepts that don't exist, but like would just be really fucked up if they did. The shot with the mirror where there's a, you know, they're shooting at each other

through a mirror, but it's obviously they're seeing themselves, so they're shooting out the villain, but yeah, that's a great shot. It's funny that they threw that in me. The music in this film, fucking badass. John Powell. Incredible epic. John Powell, big fan. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, down, down.

Yeah. Like, fucking incredible. Really epic, perfect, it fits the tone of the movie perfectly. Yeah. It was good. Happy feet. Not saying it's like Lawrence of Arabia-type level music, but I think it fits the movie really perfectly. It's exciting.

It's good, I think. Oh, it's very appropriate. And they have these, like, random character actors, these kind of really small roles, like CCH Pounder or that guy from the Wire, Robert Wisdom. Sure. One of my favorite characters in that. They're just tiny roles at the beginning that just, get obliterated, which is

fun in and in and of itself, because you just don't expect the story to go as wrong as it does as quickly as it does. And each section could be its own movie expanded really, like this whole prison thing. It's such a wacky idea. That could be a movie. But no, it's just like a prison escape section and you're on for the next bit.

The pacing is so, so quick, it makes it so much fun. Yeah, there's a lot that happens in this movie. What's the runtime of this? It's like two and a half hours or something? Let's see. Two hours 20 about? Two hours 20. Wow, that's... Yeah, and it's very fast-paced for what it is.

It's very entertaining, of course. Yeah. The action's solid. Yeah, it's very funny. So, Castor Troy decides he will terrorize his family. And he disarms the bomb, too, which is really funny. He's like, yeah, I'll just walk in here and do the code.

which is very nice. Yeah, and then Sean Archer manages to escape from the prison from some weird like electro-shock torture therapy, whatever you want to call it.

That's the only way they can take off the boots is if they execute you basically. It implies that they don't bathe which is kind of funny. Like you, I don't know. Yeah. They can't take, I don't know.

But I don't think the prison's, like they're literally just like taking them to the electric chair. Like they show other guy getting electrocuted like right before him. I don't remember if that was like for... It's so over the top. For like an execution or what that was about?

Like did he have a trial? Yeah, I don't know. It seemed like a punishment to me. Maybe? Yeah, because the other guy survived. Kind of like a lobotomy type thing maybe? I guess so. Yeah.

Well, then he fell down a... He fell off the, whatever, staircase died later, a bit later. There's a lot of death in this movie. But yeah, that guy dies. The metal boots, that was ridiculous. I mean, it's supposed to be like a maximum security prison, I guess. It's funny. What it does is it allows the two characters to be alone,

and it allows Castor Troy to get in really close without any guard supervision and have that scene. I'm glad you brought that up. They're separate for a lot of the movie, and it's always interesting. The characters are always good. The cat-mouse angle again, like once Sean Archer finds out, he escapes, you know, then he's the one who's like panicked, even though he has everything, he's like fucking freaking out. And that was like an interesting, you know, the character has

everything, but he's fucking nervous because Sean Archer's out there, he's going to get him. And that's another one of Travolta's great scenes where he fucking just yells for no reason. Like, he yells one word out. I forgot the line exactly, but it's fucking hysterical. A lot of high-pitched yelling from Travolta. Uh-huh. You guys have some thoughts? when he's like ah! You know, like that.

Yeah. Yeah, I can't tell if I'm laughing with or at him at times in the movie. Whereas I feel like I'm always with Nick Cage. I feel like just now, you know, with Gotti and everything and just what he's like now. It's just like there's something extra funny about Travolta in the movie. Well, there's just rumors about Travolta being, you know,

a bit like a gay or a little in Hollywood. And I think that's fine. But, like, he just comes. He always tries to hide it. Or, like, because he's Scientology or whatever, they try to hide it. It just, it comes out a little bit when he's yelling. I'm like, that's great. Oh, it's a gay person yell.

Those are my favorite. Basically, those are my favorite parts of the movie. It's a little bit of a, of a, of a feminine yell that I love. Okay. Yes. It's my favorite part of his character and his acting. He is funny. And I'm proud to say that because I'm a huge Travolta fan.

Okay. I do. To say that about Travolta, because I love Travolta. Okay. Gotty. Gotty. You don't think Scientology tries to hide it a little bit? I think that the type of person that would be really invested in Scientology

might also be a type of person that lies to themselves on a daily basis about their own inner workings of their minds. That's what I mean. Yeah, it's possible. I wouldn't say that Scientology is the only thing. only religion that applies to, but, you know. Of course, he's marketable, too. Travolta, I think he's a huge movie star,

almost the level Tom Cruise. That's why he's on Scientology. Well, yeah, this was just off the publication. This is a worldwide film directed by a huge director. And then Therlotho goes like, he goes, eh! And I'm like, that's great. Everyone's, like,

that's awesome. Yeah, like, depending on the context, like, for funny, that can be, you know, for humor that can really work. Like, Will Will Ferrell does it all the time. Ryan Gosling did it in The Nice Guys, was that the movie? What was it called?

Or The Nice Guys? Yeah. Yeah, the Nice Guys, right? Ryan Gosling did that a few times. It was funny then. Right. I love The Nice Guys, too, but this is a very, like, masculine, like, guys love this movie. It's one of the best action movies.

Oh, this is a real bro film. It is a bro film. It's almost like Top Gun, like that. Yeah, I give my bro's bro jobs while I watch this film. just watch the film again and pay attention to Travolta's acting oh I will I think that makes it I think that makes it extra beautiful you can't know you can't it's one of his finest performances I don't know I think the context man because like I don't know if he is acting that

much different in this than in what was that really shitty horror movie that came out the fanatic like yeah like his acting caliber is about the same but it's just like a better film uh-huh the fanatic he's playing a very weird character. That's definitely not him. I mean, I don't know what he was trying to do with that. I think he was trying to play like a, like someone on the spectrum or something, but it's like really disgusting. Like, I don't know what he was trying to do. It's like he was trying to be funny. The quality of acting is about the same. I don't think he's like a better actor in Faceoff than he is in the fanatic. I just think it works better because of the context of what's happening in the film and the characters. I'm not saying it's the exact same performance. Yeah, like in this movie, he's like in this movie. He's a lot of it. I'm not saying it's the exact same performance. Yeah, like in this movie, he's. He's, he's in this movie. He's. He's, he's, he's He's just playing himself. Like, I just see Travolta. I just see Nick Cage. And that's why I find it funny.

Oh, exactly. And this is this huge movie. Yeah. Nick Cage really hamming it up. I liked how he played Travolta. I'll give you, I think Nick Cage was better. I think he was a lot better than Travolta. A million times better than Travolta.

Yeah, I'll give you that. But I love both of them. I think both of them brought something to it. Like, I couldn't picture this movie without either of them. At this point in time, pretty much everybody recognizes the crazy freak out lovable nature of Nicholas Cage and now at this point people intentionally put him in those kinds of

roles he's in a lot of like B horror movies and stuff but I'm wondering at what point in time that started becoming apparent like there was there was like a video that got released like 10 years ago maybe more being like Nicholas Cage freak out moments or whatever and it was just this compilation

and it was put to the tune of what was the song it was like the Requiem for a Dream song right and it was a really funny video and that compiled all them so that whoever made that video clearly had some some awareness of like how often he's put in roles that where he's freaking out and how great he is at doing that i wonder the timeline of like when exactly filmmakers were aware of that and would cast him in his film for that because or if they were aware when they did that or if it just happened you know serendipitously or just by

coincidence because this film 97 there's a lot of great nicholas cage freak out and it really, really helps the film. This is like one of the best shining examples of like why he's so great at that. And he's perfect for the character because he's playing an absolute psychopath too. Right? Nobody else can do it. Like John Travolta can't do it. I'm sorry.

He's evil. Like he does his best. There's some merit in what he's doing. It's kind of funny too in a cringe way. But Nick Cage is just a nice guy though. Yeah. Uh-huh. I think Travolta is just a really, he's got that look of just a nice guy, good guy.

And he works with that character. I feel like John Travolta holds back more than Nick Cage does. Nick Cage has no fear in his performance. John Travolta has, like, layers of ego that he can't quite get past, where Nick Cage is just, like, giving it his all. Yeah, apparently he was a bit concerned about that line about his chin. What? Do you remember that? Really?

I thought he made that up. He asked for clarification on the butt chin line to make sure it wasn't making fun of him. Oh, fuck, see, exactly. Yeah. Like, if you're gonna be a great actor, you need to let go your fucking ego. You need to be comfortable making fun of yourself. You gotta not give a shit what other people think of you. Because, like, if you're thinking about that sort of thing while you're performing, it's gonna show.

You know? Yeah, he was like making fun. He was making fun of his body and his face, like, with his brother. I thought those were awesome moments. Yeah, like, you don't have the looks anymore. It's like, you got me there. Tush. That's fucking great.

Nicholas Cage is unironically genuinely a fearless actor And I think he's really great Even though he's in a lot of bad movies And even though a lot of films that he's in There's an entertainment element of just like Laughing because it's so ridiculous And because he's doing like weird things In the right role he's still pretty great

There's great movies that he's been in But yeah like I never I'm never like disappointed by Nicholas Cage's performance Yeah You know I think it really depends depends on the director and the movie and a lot of things. We saw a Lynch movie with him.

David Lynch, Wild at Heart. Yeah, he was in spite of us. I still need to see leaving last day. He's very good. Uh-huh. He's actually very good. He got an Oscar for that. Adaptation.

You know, adaptation is actually good. Like, but here, I think he's great, but very in a comical, you know, more in a comedy kind of sense where he's more playing himself, but it's funny. He works. He works really well. there's a face-off sequel in the works from everyone's favorite director dumb wingered and what my question is to both of you is who are the fuck who the fuck are they gonna cast in this like who what would your dream pick be for like another face-out they need to get travolta in the cage why can't they i mean travltta and the cage are doing fucking dumpster fire

movies like you know straight to amazon prime do you think they're going to though do you think that these things get greenlit like that? I don't know. That's the only way it could be good. Yeah, I think they should totally do that. And as far as Adam Wingard, I don't know, I think he kind of sucks. I think you added him as a hack. I think you're right. I think John Travolta is so unsellable at this point that they won't be able to get it greenlit. I disagree. They could pitch that idea to studios and they'll say, no, not with John Travolta. I love those movies. All of his movies have been bombs for the past fucking 20 years. Like, mm-hmm. Because he picks a bunch of shit. He's like an old dog's he's fucking garbage um and adam wingard i don't know yeah he kind of sucks too

doesn't but if they get the two of them and it's just really violent and you know it hammers it in on the the ballsy action well it's gonna suck i think it could be fine well well just put it on like amazon prime kind of like a vod movie oh yeah just do that doesn't like mel gipson does that now like i see mel gipson frank grillo and movies that go straight to vod they're doing fine just do that. I think it would be fine. I don't know. We just don't do it. That's the ideal. No, they got to make their money.

Get John Wu! It's not... It's not... And honestly, I would watch it. Get John Wu. Who am I fucking kidding? You know, I would watch it. I would watch five of these sequels if they made on. I will feel obligated to watch it.

But we'll see. Especially if they use that music again. Who would be the two actors, though, for a 20-21 version? Okay, if they got rid of them? If you couldn't get Cage and Travolta. This is a great question that I need to know the answer to. Tom Holland.

I'm thinking of all the current movies still. Tom Holland, you. The problem with The Rock is he's such a big presence. You'd need someone equivalent in size for the whole face-off body swap thing to even make sense. Jared Leto and. Because there's a bit of that, like, cringe. Jared Leto could be like the John Travolta equivalent, right? where he's like

he's doing some cringe stuff Really I quite want to see him as a villain Well either way It doesn't really matter Because they play both in the movie Yeah true And then we could get like I don't know Waki and Phoenix

Both two jokers here Terry Cruz That's my first official answer Oh yeah Let's get a black guy and a white guy And then when they swap their faces It'll look really weird Or we could do like Dwayne Johnson

Perry Cruz I like that Two fucking giant men Let's get drastically different skin tones Yeah The face-off technologies Improved I just want like

Giant ripped fucking people Can we do like Gender swap too Can we do like Daniel Caloia and like Zoe Nizhenel Faceoff Okay That's my dream thing

I was thinking two women We get like Well not Gina Crono We can't do her anymore After her tweets Uh Who's one that's like that Like a muscular

Like I don't know MMA artist Who became like a The one from First and Furious Seven Uh Isn't that Gina Carano?

No, I'm sure it's not Another one She's in one of them, I swear to God I don't even know how to search for it Hang on I think Joaquin would do a great job With whatever he does He's one of my favorites

Yeah, but he's like a real actor Nicholas Cage is a real actor Ralph No he isn't I mean okay he's been in good stuff But he's mostly in a Oscar winner Isn't he? I would not want to see Daniel Gaila

Lois or someone like that In a movie like this Joaquin is actually like a real actor who I like. I think Wachene would work better than Daniel Day Lewis. This is more of a guilty pleasure. I mean, I'm sure he would do a great job no matter what,

but like, I don't know if I would be dying to see Daniel Day Lewis and that kind of thing. Joaquin, I could see, because Waukeen's also a little bit fucking crazy. Yeah, it would definitely, it would just be against type for him. Because Phoenix, yeah, he's definitely crazy. He's a bit of a night. Phoenix, it would be against type, because

he's usually in like really good, or he plays like dramatic, dark characters. usually. It's not like a... He played a jokester. He's not goofy. Yeah, that's true. He played the Joker, which is... Yeah, well, that's like a dark. I'd say that's like a drama. I mean, but he still, like, did a pretty crazy role.

But Nick Cage is all over the place. Nick Cage does dramas like that. He does Oscar films. But he also does really goofy shit. And he's always done goofy shit, Wad at Heart, stuff like that. It's more with his, like, brand. I almost wish more, like, actors of that caliber would do goofy stuff like this. Because I don't think it makes them...

don't see less of them because they do like a fucking stupid movie where I just see them as themselves and they just I don't know shoot it like they're like on a boat like in a cool boat chase doing something done like that I think yeah and honestly if I were to think ideal director for a face-off remake or sequel fucking James one bringing them back yeah that would be an ideal director for this project that would actually be fucking perfect Justin Lynn yeah like someone like that, yeah. Then you could have like Tom Hardy and that guy from Prometheus that looks like you even see shades of that in their in their movies like James Juan, Justin Lin. It's not like, it's not as over the top obviously like but there's a I mean there's still just fun can't be

movies more so like Fast of Fury 6, Fast Fury 7. I've got a great combo that would be really funny. Jared Leto and Jesse Eisenberg. It would be be terrible, but it would be really funny. Right? That's for like the fourth sequel when they like really run out of ideas. Oh my God. That would be so good.

All right. Should we get back to the movie or do you have any more? No, no. I like these like bashups. Sure. All right. Let's think of more. Matt Damon and Matt Woolberg.

That could work. Yeah. I feel like Kevin Hart and Dwayne Johnson is what they would go with because that's proven. I would like to see their. originals back. I know they're old. The comedy version. I mean, who cares? That should be their last movie. The face-off remake. Get face-off to starring Michael Jordan and LeBron James.

Space off. Space off. This is a sad world we live in when we're getting face-off remakes. Apparently it's a sequel. People love the Furses movies. That's why Godzilla and King Kong was a huge hit. Dingle and King Kong. That's what we call it.

Wait, so how is it going to be a sequel then? Are they going to build it up to be like a universe where they've got the face-off technology? We've already got that Mission Impossible. They already do that. They're going to do it again, because it worked out so well the first time. I have no idea. We're just going to have to see what happens.

It would be like Madagascar sequels. They'll go to Africa or something. They've got to take a trip to Europe and the third one. I mean, they could do, they could set it in space and have a real space off. Yeah. I feel like that's the only thing this movie's missing. Them going to space. Yeah.

Well, that prison scene might as well be in space. It could have been a space person. It makes of like Mass Effect with the like space station prison thing. Mm-hmm. So sci-fi. It's like really over the top, that prison scene. The metal boots. And the guy playing Nick Cage's brother, he's hamming it up almost as much as the leads.

Yeah. He's really funny, I thought. Uh-huh. I thought he was good. Yeah. There's so many memorable scenes, but we were, like, trying to stay on track. Like, what are we up to in the plot? Where we kind of got with the plot was, like, him breaking out of the prison, Sean Archer breaking out of the prison.

And then Castor Troy decides to terrorize his family a little manipulate, disable the bomb. And then Sean Archer decides that he needs to, like, I guess, go to Castor Troy's friends and fam jams because everybody will think he's Castor Troy and then he meets a little baby boy

and he has this weird scene It's five years old The secret son's five years old I think he looks a bit older though He looked like at least like nine I don't know He hugs this child

And starts This weird Saying the other name of the other Sean Jason I don't remember Michael I think it was

You're thinking of heavy rain. Jason. Yeah. I think it's Michael, right? Oh, Michael. Yeah, it was probably my name. He's like, Michael. Yeah, he has like, that's what I mean,

the turmoil. Nicholas Cage plays with this character. He's a very sensitive guy. I like that. Like, he loves his, and the other one is just like, watching him. She's like, what the fuck are you doing?

And she's like, you're scared out. Like, you're scaring him. Great scene. Is that a, who was that actor who plays like the woman, the lover with that child? child Gina Carano I thought

Is that Gina? No it's not Gina Christa Gina Gershian yeah yeah she two Gerasian yeah I thought she was really good though Like I liked her in the movie she was in Shogos Yeah she wasn't sure yeah but I thought she was good at this In the new Borderlands movie Yeah she's in like I think he's a good actor she's been in like killer Joe I thought she was good in that yeah like Matthew McConae

Yeah but this is like a fucking stupid character And then like the whole scene where there's a shootout and he takes his son. But no, like, first the FBI, like, find out that he's there because Travolta calls the police on him. Oh, yeah. And then, you know, there's a huge shootout, but his son is there, you know, the five-year-old kid, and he's, like, holding on to him, and he puts headphones on his, on his, like, he was

so he doesn't hear the gunshots. I'm like, yeah, gunshots are so fucking loud. There's no way that would work. You know, the kid's got fake tears in his eyes. Yeah. And Nick Gates is carrying around this, like, it looks like a mannequin, but it's supposed to be his son. It's like there's a bunch of bullet holes going around.

Like, yeah, no fucking way. A kid would be like screaming. You'd probably pass out. Might get hurt. He's, I don't know. That whole scene is so over the top. Yeah. But in any other movie, I might have been distracted by that fact.

But in this, I wasn't because it's so over the top. The whole tone of the movie, it's very consistent. I think what you said about Mortal Kombat, Adam, is that the tone is very inconsistent. But this is very, it's always goofy. You're never taking it too seriously. Although you like, you're driven by that. Mountain Mouse kind of chase. I would say it's much more consistent than Mortal Kombat.

I wouldn't say it's completely. In the second half of the movie, the lowest part of the movie for me is like pre-climax where it seems to take itself a bit too seriously, where they're like, there's going to be a big battle, and the stakes are high, and do you know how high the stakes are? This means everything, and we're going to have both characters have to plan, because the other one is he might be thinking of things too so I have to think harder and it's just the tone of what's happening in the music and how long it takes also that would be the lowest point of the

movie for me takes itself a little too seriously there but still much better than mortal combat I agree yeah so they shoots each other and then yeah then they then they fight each other yeah and then they run away oh you go to see his wife at some point to try and convince Oh yeah How does he do that? He does that a couple times Doesn't it? First Sean Archer shoots one of the police officers in the face Oh wait, no

Castor Troy Caster Troy shoots The officer in the face Because the officer was like What? It was just Castor Troy's thing It was just Castor Troyes' brother But that's actually Castor Troy

You know his body Yeah I thought that was a really funny part Yeah I really like that moment Uh huh It's like a little yell Oh yeah There was a Howie scream in this movie

Oh really were I didn't notice Destroy my throat Trying to do that one Yeah that was pretty good Howie scream Classic It's fucking ridiculous

Yeah And then yeah So Castor Troy In sorry Sean Archer in Caster Troy's body Tries to convince his wife

his real wife that he's him cast John Archer it's so difficult takes a lot of convincing oh yeah he does the weird fucking hand touching

face touching thing yeah he does that multiple times yeah yeah that's one of the main pieces of evidence because you're like how is she convinced by this well first of all they have their little thing where it's like a handshake with his hand to face

hand on his on their face like this I guess that ties in the whole thing sauce yeah right after eating some like really spicy chili wings just like ow my eyes that is not a way human beings

like embrace each other like fucking putting their putting their hand on their face like that it's so funny and it happens so many times in the movie because it's like

it needs to hammer it in just so it can be like oh it's a thing that he does so that's he recognizes it but it's such a weird thing to do it's a weird thing to do

and it does it to his son to or his daughter I think he does it to Yeah, stop touching my face. There's some other evidence, too. Like, they have different blood types. Like, Castro is a different blood type. Oh, fingerprints?

I don't know. Fingerprints. A bunch of ways. Penis. And then, you know, Travolta was just acting weird. And then once it was pointed out to him, yeah, the penis, right. You think it would know it was a different penis. Just pull down your pants.

Everyone's got a different. If one of them wasn't circumcised or something, then that would be it. I mean, hopefully his own wife would know what his penis looks like. Even if they were both circumcised, hopefully she would recognize. the penis. Deleted scene where he has to get a circumcision. Yeah, he goes in. To match Trowalto.

It's me. Pulls down pants. Really? I mean, that would be probably the best way to do it in that situation. But anyway, hopefully she would recognize. The premise. And yeah, she, I guess, after heard the face touch, she's, she realizes that it's him. and she's like, well, this is implausible, but I'll go with it.

And then they have, yeah, I guess they just go into that really long pre-climax sequence that I don't like where it takes itself a little too seriously. A lot of preparing for battle, calm before the storm thing. Then we get to a church. And Castor Troy talks about how very, how religious and this is, setting is and does this weird T-pose Christ imitation and that loud cut to Christ

in case he didn't get it. It was really funny. Very silly. And then there's a bunch of doves because John Wu loves doves. Yeah, it's does doves. Wasn't too much, but toward the end, yeah. There was a few doves in the church. That was a good shootout. Oh, it was... I just want to

mention... Wacky fight scene. Yeah, Travolta's wife of the movie, Joan Allen, that actor, she's really good in the movie. She plays it like very seriously. Like when she's actually like, when her daughter's like held at gunpoint, she's like very terrified. I think that added a lot to the actual tension of the movie.

That character didn't need to be a goofy at all. No, right. That's why it worked. It worked really well. I felt like bad for her. Yeah, like her reactions were very genuine. Yeah, not as goofy as the cage. Why were they all at the church again?

I'm trying to remember that part. Because, like, the daughter's there, but doesn't... Oh, yeah. She didn't get the memo, and that creates a whole conflict, right? Because the daughter doesn't understand anything that's going on, but she's in the fight scene. Travolta kidnapped the wife and said the daughter's on the way. So I guess he sent his men to the kid... And sent them to the church, yeah.

And there was, like, a big, you know, it was like a big... That's true. What's it called? When everyone's pouring in their guns at each other. Mexican standoff. Oh, like a Mexican standoff. I don't know if it's technically a Mexican standoff, but it's certainly a standoff. Definitely a standoff.

Which is funny because at the beginning of the movie, it kind of started with that, where they both had the one bullet in the chamber, but actually, Castor Troy didn't. Many thought he did. That's right. Yeah.

I didn't think of that. Yeah. A little reincorporation. This is the best movie ever made. And, yeah, the daughter didn't get the memo. So that creates a new conflict, and she gets pushed down the stairs by one of them. I think by Sean Archer.

Nick Cage, who's really Travolta. Yeah, Sean Archer pushes his daughter down the stairs for her own good. It hurts him more than it hurts her. But then after he's like, wait, honey, wait, I'm trying to tell you that it's really me in someone else's face. Oh yeah. The classic, no shoot him

moment. Yeah. Everybody's what me be asked of it. Or clones or twins. Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, stabs him in the leg.

Sean Archer's daughter stabs Castor Troy in the leg. Good reincorporation with the fucking, what is it called? Butterfly knife. Assault scene. Yeah, the assault scene, Travolta gives her a knife, like, to defend yourself. Like, she's sticking in his thigh and twist it. Yeah. And that's what she does to him.

Perfect. Very perfect, yeah. Yeah, he does not bleed out, but he's wounded. Because they're invincible. They have force fields around the middle He runs away on a boat Yeah I just want to mention that they're invincible

Like like no matter what they do to each other They can't die Like even in that mirror scene They're shooting at each other with bullets You'd think one of them would hit each other But they don't Yeah I've never seen two men fire

So many like bullets at each other And none of them hit You know For like most of the movie You think one of them would They're still They're still working out the the anesthetics out of their system

from the surgery, I don't know. They're a little loosey. A little off with their aim. And so, then they're on a boat? Which one's on a boat? I don't remember. Someone's on a boat. And I think John, wait, yeah,

Sean Archer's on a helicopter? I don't remember. There's a boat and they drive somewhere. A helicopter is involved and there is a boat chase. Yeah. Yeah. And the most memorable part of that chase for me is them flying in slow motion and they magically transform into two other people we've never seen before.

Very obvious stunt doubles and it's really funny with completely different hair. Wait, there's that whole fight on the boat where one of them starts like skiing on the water with the Bay of thing. Oh, yeah. It's so silly. That's very silly. That's very funny. All practical. Some good stunts, I guess.

When he drives to the boat and there's like a. giant explosion. You see the stunt double. Oh, so many big explosions, yeah. Over the top, yeah. And that music again. Dun, dun, down, down, down. Yeah, and then there's another standoff, I guess, and the castor Troy in Sean Archer's face starts cutting his own face, but it's not his own, it's Sean Archer's face, but it's on his body. Yeah. And saying, I want you to have to look at my face in the mirror every day you wait like just more psychopathic just completely like what's the worst thing i can do it's like this doesn't even benefit i just want to know that you're suffering

forever like i don't even care but i like holy shit great villain yeah yeah yeah they shoots up of a harpoon oh yeah yeah yeah pretty good yeah good ending it's incredible yeah and then then I guess that's it. Like, I thought, where does the movie need to go from there? Oh, and then he adopts the other boy. He adopts the other boy. Yeah, it touches his face a little. Lesser a cherry on top.

They made me cry. And then the movie literally ends right there. A great fucking, like the movie ends right there. Right after he, right after the kid walks to the door. Yeah, the story's wrapped up. It's clean. It's tight. Oh, yeah, he's got a new boy.

Uh-huh. Right on an emotional high. He replaced his son. He's got a new one. He's all right now. It's perfect. He replaced his son. That's what happened.

Yeah, he just got a new one. new one. And his wife's just like, yeah. It's funny. It's like, just the right age. That's perfect. And that's face off. Yeah. Fucking stupid as shit.

Great movie. Yeah. I wouldn't want it any other way. Love it. Yeah. And I guess, I guess since we went through it chronologically, we've covered pretty much everything. We've been talking about this one for a while.

Yeah. Can't think of anything else to say about it other than just like, yeah, it's a super strong opening in first half. There's so many strong elements. Very goofy, very silly, very cheesy, very implausible. I just wish that the moments near the end of the film didn't take themselves too seriously.

It's such a weird mishmash where it's like, you have to constantly wonder like, how in on the joke is John Wu at any given scene, right? It's so difficult to interpret in that way. Because I honestly have no idea at any way. No, I think John Wu's in all. the joke I think is I think the way

directs this movie is pretty perfect I think the only one who isn't in on the joke is Travolta But you also I think he's the only one Who thinks he's in a good movie In the context of like the 90s Like I would say like probably the majority

of people that would have watched this movie And it was a success Would have watched it unironically Because like even though this is like There's a lot of stupid goofy nonsense going on That was just a lot of 90s movies also Like there is a lot of The 90s were filled with like over the top spectacle and crazy stupid ideas and just like,

bam, explosion, bing pow, fireworks, bullets, boat. Yeah, speed. You know, like all this nonsense. Like, it's possible that it can exist the same way unironically, right? Because of the time period and what audiences wanted out of the film. Yeah, that part is fascinating. Not to say that there weren't any moments in the film that you were supposed to laugh at something or find something comedic, but like just I guess the irony is what I'm trying to interpret or discern. Yeah, reading the reviews from when it came out are quite interesting.

Oh yeah, please do. Because they're talking about this kind of thing where they're saying that it's got, like this one was from the New York Times. Before we go numb from such prefab excitement, here comes a mega movie that actually delivers what mega movies is prime. promise strong characters smart plotting breathless action and a gimmick that hasn't been seen before and while i don't really think it has strong characters necessarily but the plotting is pretty smart actually and the action is breathless and and the gimmick is what holds it together the hook is just so so silly and and they just embrace it without flinching and that does make it work the fact that actually comes together is is quite something and i do i do hand that to john woo yeah yeah

I love the cast in this. I think they make it. I love the castor Troy. I'm giving this one a... I don't know. Fucking... It's so difficult. Because like...

So many times I've watched this, I felt like giving it a five, but talking about it, like, I love it so much. I want to give it a six, but it's like... Then how much of it is like... How much of it is I run?

Like so much of it's stupid? Fuck it. I'm giving it a six. I'm giving it a six out of ten. I like the movie a lot. it's trying to be much more of a comedy. I don't know. And it's very over the top. The action's fun. The two leads are great. I think it's a little more self-aware than, I mean, who knows?

There's a director's commentary on that Blu-ray. I'm going to have to listen to it, I guess. We've talked about like Hong Kong cinema before, and I tried to bring that up because, you know, that's over the top. And this is trying to go for that style, too, with John Wu. I think it is very intentional. And it's trying to go more for a comedic tone. It's a very entertaining movie, though, regardless of what it is. it's very unique. I'd give it an 8 out of 10 or 4 out of 5 stars. It depends which side you use. It's definitely a classic.

I'm kind of with Adam where I find it a bit tough to figure out where the comedy line is and how much of it is my ironic enjoyment compared to the actual great filmmaking at play. Because the whole thing is entertaining, but it's a matter of breaking down each scene into yeah I liked this one because the premise was just silly or here Nicholas Cage gave a the genuinely good performance or here Travolta gave kind of a silly one that I was laughing at but it was still entertaining because of that I'm going to settle on a seven out of ten or a three and a half star yeah I can watch this movie any time I do feel that in that latter half there is just a little chunk as you said where it does drag a bit I feel like if you could just

take 10 50 minutes out it would be just like perfect for me but as it is yeah Seven outs on. Take his face off. Off. Off. Eyes, ears, everything. Head shoulders, knees, toes. Whatever he said.

Maybe that's what the sequel should be, your face on. Before you go to the Reddit questions, I had a weird idea that I thought of and I put in my phone that I'd like to get your thoughts on. And it might be the stupidest thing ever, but I just like, right. Okay, so I injured my wrists. I've been trying a lot of different things, staying off of it, supplements, and one of these things that I tried was CBD oil. And because, you know, on the same thing that I purchased the CBD, I was like, oh, I'll just get some THC stuff too.

So I did a weed for the first time in a long time. And I forgot that it just makes you think of all these stupid, like, theoretical concepts and just like, oh, what is? Blah, blah, blah. So one of the things I thought of when I was doing a whole weed was, what if IMDV? or any other website like it allowed you to rate scenes

just the same way that you can rate TV episodes because you can have the rating for the show, right? So something like invincible, you know, you rate the overall show. But then if you click on episodes, you see that each episode has an individual rating.

And I thought that there would be some really interesting implications to that. But first, I want to hear what your thoughts on that idea are. No, I like that idea. Yeah? That's actually a great idea if you're collecting, if you wanted to gather data on the scenes people love from movies,

you could actually break it down really granular if you had that data. If it was, yeah, if you had all that metadata on the films. Yeah. Because your Netflix actually has that stuff. I wonder. Well, they have like viewer engagement, right? So they know which scenes people like the most, right? I wonder.

Because, yeah, the implication for like filmmakers, if let's say as, you know, a corporation that makes movies, like IMDB is owned by Amazon and Amazon has. Amazon Prime. If let's say they wanted to use that data and be like, okay, what scenes really work? What do people want to see more of in this film? Why didn't this film work as successfully or something like that? That information could be there and it would be really interesting. And also like scenes are already broken up in that way like chapter selection, blu-rays, etc. The scenes already exist in that way. And you know, you could organize a movie and have the scenes shown in the exact same way that you could list the TV episodes in a television. show.

So I think it would be interesting. Sure. I don't know. The only real concern would be it would just like further the automation and robotic factory nature of filmmaking if that's what it leads to. But who knows? I don't know. Like if people like a thing and people want to see more of a thing.

Yeah. To me, I just think of the problem would be how you would display it, like some kind of user innovation. Because when you break down a film, it's like hundreds of scenes sometimes. Just the same way. do with the TV shows? Already. So what, you go into an episode, then you go into that episode, and then it breaks it down

even more granularly into each. Oh, if you wanted to do scenes from episodes, then I guess it would break it down even more. But I was talking about scenes from movies. So in the same way that, like, if you go to just any TV show thing on IMDB right now, like Invincible, you see the rating for the overall show. And then just above the poster and underneath the title, you see episode guide. You click on that. And then you see each episode has its own page and its own rating, which I always like

going through anyway when I'm watching a TV show, because I like to know which episodes people don't like as much, which episodes people like the best. And, you know, sometimes it makes sense. Sometimes it doesn't. It would be interesting if that same information existed for scenes. It was like, what was everyone's favorite scene of the movie, you know? Yeah. On average. Yeah. And I could see a main page where they rank all the scenes like of all time. And it's like, you know, probably all the best movies. The Good fellow scene. Yeah, that could be cool. What am I a clown? And you'd see like, that's like number three or whatever.

Yeah, I could totally see that working. That'd be sick. And then a bottom list of... Worst scenes. Worst scenes. Worst scenes and best movies and stuff like that. Scenes from the room be ranked like, you know, point one. Oh, hi, Danny.

Like that scene. What are you talking about? That scene's a masterpiece. I just like to watch you guys. Like, that scene will be on there. Just one star. Three is a crowd. All right.

Thanks for humoring me. You just need a big... Yeah, big user base. Oh, that's cool. Because if you get in that granular, you need lots of people. I want more rating sites, yeah. I want, like, a video game rating site. Want Letterbox to have TV shows.

I mean, IMB does have video games listed. Yeah, that's true. I want one of just, like, short films, like a rating site for just short films. That would be unprofitable. Yeah, exactly. That's why they don't do it. Because, you know, feature films are profitable because there's a whole industry built around them, which is why there's a rating site around them.

Short films, there's not the same thing because those don't make as much money, right? They're not as... But those are still films. Like, the fact that you wouldn't call a film of film because of its length is, like, absurd. Like, a film could be a minute long, it's still a movie. Like, it's the same as face off.

It's just like, to boldly flee, that's a film. It's three and a half hours long or whatever the fuck. In the last episode of the podcast, we were mentioning the Oscar shorts, and you said, I don't give a shit about shorts, and nobody watches those. And I would like a short stint. web site like what I'm an infamous hypocrite okay all right questions from

Reddit and that's true by the way no one no one does give a shit about shorts because of what I just said yeah I don't know what the solution to that is give a shit about short films that's the solution maybe access maybe if you just got them on Netflix or something people watch well now that we have Netflix right I think that's become more common because you just click on something on Netflix, like that David Lynch movie or the Paul Thomas Anderson movie he made with Radiohead, that one. You know, that's a short film, but people just click it on on Netflix.

They're like, I don't know how long it is. I don't care. I think that exposes more people, that kind of thing. But it's really rare. Don't you feel short films have that same, like that connotation? Like, they're not as important or not as profitable. I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah, hopefully

streaming services kind of changed that. I watched Elma DeVar's new short film with Tindus Wilton, Tilda Swinton. And it wasn't bad, but it was, yeah, it was just on HBO Max in the, it was kind of cool that it was just accessible through there.

Because yeah, like, you don't, you know, before streaming, it's like, I don't know, what do you do? You're not going to put it in theaters. Like, Pixar, you'll put it before another movie. Yeah, that's the main reason I would never see, them. You may be film festivals and you throw a bunch of shorts together to make a feature length thing at film festivals, but you

can't sell that in a movie theater. Then you don't want to put it on YouTube for free, so streaming kind of takes care of that, you know? Of course. Yeah, big movies want to raise the bar. They make their movies really long. Like Avengers movies, 2 and 1⁄ hours. Pixar movies, 2 hours. You know, but a short film, I think, is it's just substantial.

You know, I hope it gets the same amount of credit. Yeah. Yeah, short films are like kind of proof of concept for feature-length films in a way. Not even necessarily for the same script and same idea. I don't like short films like that. I like the short films that stand on their own and I have nothing. But you're, you are right.

They're often expanded, aren't they? Like whiplash or... Like whiplash, yeah. You don't have to make something like whiplash with the intention of making a feature whiplash by saying proof of concept for that specific idea. But what I'm saying is like proof of concept that like a director can, do something competent, right? So, you know, maybe there are like a couple ideas

and things sprinkled from one short film that make it into your feature, like Sam Ramey did some stupid short film before he made Evil Dead. It was just to prove to some producers like, hey, like we can make a scary thing, right? And there are tiny little moments and ideas that made it into the feature,

but it wasn't necessarily like just the same thing, I guess. I don't know. Mm-hmm. to prove that you can do something really as a director. Yeah. I'd say the structure of a short film is much more different. It's a much looser.

You know, maybe because you have less time to tell it. It's a bunch more, I feel like it could be more personal than maybe like a studio manufactured feature film. There's not as many studio manufactured short films, not as much of a market. Kind of like the Pixar movies, maybe. I like those.

That's it. All right, Reddit questions? Okay. Let's do some questions from the Reddit community, then. If you want to leave your own questions, head over to the Sardonicast subreddit, where there's a suggestion thread, but you can ask whatever you like. Johnny the Fancy Man's going to start us off. So, this is a question for Adam.

I was wondering something about your top 10 best movies of the year list. You have once said that you always watch movies twice, to be sure. They are worthy to become a part of your list. But my question is, then, which movies have been discarded after the second watch? I love you guys. keep up the good work greetings from Denmark. I don't have ones off the top of my head.

They're like they're ones that just like didn't connect with me as much and I feel like I've definitely come across one of these in the past week just on my ratings on IMDB but they're so like not popular

that I don't know if I could name them. I'm expecting that will happen to the unknown girl by Jean-Pierre and Luke Darden, right? That's, there's an example, but like, who the fuck knows or cares about that movie, right? So, I don't know. Notable ones, I couldn't even tell you. It's just sometimes I, for movies that really connect with me, they're probably not going to be discarded from my list. But sometimes there's ones where there was a lot, there were a lot of things that I liked about the movie,

and maybe it didn't fully connect with me. And I thought, you know what? Maybe it'll be different on a second. watch and maybe it you know there's always you always have to weigh like how much you appreciate something versus how much you actually genuinely connect with and love something right and so a second watch really helps to solidify that I guess mm-hmm some movies suck on a re-watch you realize it's like there's like nothing going on yeah yeah exactly I think it's important mm-hmm definitely yeah because I re-watched um

parts of the Snyder cut and without like because the first time I saw it the whole the whole intrigue was the comparison you know with that originally so watching it when you're just trying to pay attention to the story there's a there's a lot less to it got to admit yeah watching it on a as a film on its own I think it's a little better mm-hmm I still have criticisms criticisms with that why did you re-watch the Snyder cut out of curiosity or parts of it review it I'm just fascinated by it. I don't know what it is. I get a lot of humor out of it too. Okay. It's not as

bad as the other one. No, I'm more intrigued with. It's mostly that last 20 minutes so I'm just learned away by and the Snyder cut with the joker. Did you see Henry Cavill released a video like telling fans to calm down. Oh yeah. So funny. And I'm like, why would I waste my time watching that shit?

It's just like, okay. I saw the title. I guess I get the idea. It was a short video. Did you see that Warner Brothers posted a trailer for the 4K release of the justice cut and it's like downvoted to shit and everybody's like why would you give me a 4k Blu-ray of the Snyder cut it's so funny but like I mean like read the room come on winner brothers yeah because there was that new article wasn't there with saying about like why would you even release speaking up about it Snyder cut yeah let's see 127000 dislikes uh 5,000 likes

actually I'm gonna look at oh my god the comments I didn't even know they're doing this It's actually shocking to me. Oh, it's so funny. That turned deaf. Oh, yeah. April 28th. So this was after the release of Snyder Cut. And they decided to release that trailer.

It's like... What are they thinking? Yeah. Like, maybe release like a 4K Blu-ray combo pack with both versions. That could be cool. Why not capitalize on both? Have it as a special feature. Yeah.

Like, that's hilarious. Josh Sweden is such a fucking dick wand. Yeah, reading about some of his behavior on set sounded pretty inappropriate, say the least. Jesus. All right, next question. Okay. Let's do this one from Owl Brick. In an interview regarding Tenet, when asked about what genre he'd like to tackle next,

Christopher Nolan said he'd be interested in making a horror film Sunday. Do you think this could work? Well, so what genre would you like to see handled by a director of your choice? Yeah, that would be cool. I would be really interested by that because he loves this whole overwhelming with the presentation stuff. I'd like to see that instead of being through sci-fi or action be going for horror trying to scale. Yeah, I would be very interested in seeing it. I wonder how much he would try to closely emulate Kubrick or how much of it would be his own thing.

I wonder if he would incorporate time still because you could argue that there are like kind of existential horror elements of like interstellar. Like there's some really fucked up conceptual horror In that movie that I kind of like Even though the movie as a whole isn't amazing True So like that already exists And some of his films debatably

Really even though they're more like dramatic I guess Tarantino there's been some talks You know he's gonna He was going to anyway Going to make a Star Trek movie I know Who knows What's happening with that

Although I don't know if that's going to happen I mean I might be interested in that Some kind of science fiction film from him might be cool. That might be why he's, at least in talks with it, because he wants to do something science fiction related, which would be different for him. That's the only reason why I'd suggest it. I think it'd be cool.

Star Trek's a lot about, like, character relationships, too. Like, yeah, there's science fiction stuff, but it's mostly just about people talking. I think about, you know, I think Tarantino could write that well. That would be my pick. Yeah, so I guess he kind of dabbled in horror with deathproof, but that's more the grind housey horror. It's not really there's a lot more room. I guess his horror would be cool, like a Gialo kind of film. I'm confident that Quinn Tarantino could do like really cool horror stuff.

It's just whether or not he could restrain himself from doing goofy bullshit. Because like if we're going to, like once upon a time in Hollywood was kind of that. Like in scenes leading up to the climax, I guess I'll try to not spoil this. We'll see how I phrase this. Scenes leading up to the climax of the film definitely have horror. that work really well. And it's really like patient and methodical and like creepy and kind of like almost like a Polansky horror kind of like way.

Yeah. And I really liked that. But then he just couldn't fucking help himself. And then the whole movie is just a laughable joke at the end sort of thing. If he followed through and like kept the seriousness and tackled like really horror type things, I think he could actually do it really well. It's just how much can he restrain himself? I would like to see that from him because that's like.

What Eli Roth does, like with Green Inferno, is that it? It's just shit. It's bad. Like the horror elements of that, but it's too over the top. It's too much gore. Yeah, if Tarantino did something like that, it would suck. Well, this is why I'm so excited for Last Night in Soho from Eka Rite. Because I don't think it's supposed to have a comedy slant.

So for him, it will be interesting to see maybe a more serious interpretation. It's not like that Western or whatever. Yeah. This year, apparently. Yeah, that'll be great. Cool. Damn. Supposed to be last year.

It was supposed to be last year, but... I know, right? You know, everything shut down. That would have been great. We could have gotten it last year. I'm glad I got tenet at least. If we don't get, like, some crazy good movies by the end of this year, I'm just going to be so mad. Because that's the whole selling point is like, all these things that couldn't get released in 2020.

There's a lot of good stuff coming out, I think. There's a lot of things I'm excited for. for sure. Yeah, I've been happy with a lot of stuff that came out. Like, it's not great. I like nobody a lot with Bob Odenkirk. Looking forward to that. That was fine.

Yeah, Mortal Kombat's, I mean, it's better than what I've been getting recently. You know, let me, I'm going to look up a list of what's coming out. In 2021. I mean, there's a bunch. There's like a new Wes Anderson, right? Yeah, yeah, something, fuck. I forgot the name of it, but you're right. It'll probably say here.

Spiral. It's coming out in May. Fuck. I'm so mad. Because I just want them to wait like two more months and then I'll be like vaccinated. I'm not too excited for Cruella. I don't, Cruella. That's the Disney one with Emma Stone. Yeah.

Kind of looks bad. I saw the trailer for it. Yeah, I'm going to be forced to watch it. My roommate really wants to see it. Another conjuring sequel. You know, who gives a fuck. Luca. Luca, I'd see that.

That looks good. That's a Pixar's a movie. Guadaginio Mm-hmm F-9 The Fast Furious 9 That kind of looks dumb Oh yeah

It looks really dumb Yeah Zola We saw Zola actually Adam Because I met you In Sundance We saw it Yeah that was cool

The movie was okay It was yeah I mean Nothing to write home about But it was fine Yeah Yeah Yeah

I made the white guy in it The only white guy in it Was like a dumb ass I'm like great The director you mean No One of the actors It was really good though

Riley Keo I like her a lot She's good She's awesome Yeah I like her too She's been impressing me In a lot of movies Recently

Speaking of people I like Florence Pew is in Black Widow PU So that'll be Florida's Pue Space Jam 2 In July Space Jam 2

We're gonna watch that right More like Space Jam poo Agreed Got him Jungle Cruise with Dwayne Johnson Yes they've been holding All those goodies for us Yeah

I mean that's a lot of good stuff though I feel like I'd watch all those. Yeah. Suicide Squad? Like, at least unironically, I'd watch. The suicide squad. I'm sorry. I said the word of.

The suicide squad. The good one. The definitive suicide squad. Shangxi, Venom, the Sopranos movie, Dune. Oh, there's a, I forgot. James Bond. Halloween. Shit, I guess I should fucking binge the Sopranos and finally watch it.

The Eternals. There's a new Eternals. That's later this year. That's the Marvel, right? I only releasing three Marvel movies. That's Chloe Zows, I believe. That Ghostbusters movie, remember that shit? That's coming out.

Oh, dear, yeah. Yeah. Poor Rudd one. Top Gun Maverick. That's much later this year. So this is all coming out this year, because it's pretty... Yeah. It is pretty packed then.

A lot of competition, I guess. Yeah. Apparently Matrix 4 we're getting this year. That might get pushed back. Oh, dear. Oh, yeah. There are going to be some big losers then. Direct to H. Bow, Max. Kingsman.

Yeah, that's about it, but, you know. And then we got West Anderson's, new movie. Any year with a new Edgar Wright and a new Wes Anderson is probably a good year. Yeah, we'll leave it of that. It's a lot of fun stuff. Probably more shit coming out too. I'm excited. What was the question?

It was about directors who want to see do horror movies that haven't done it. Yeah, Christopher Nolan could do it. I think Quinn Tarantino could do it well. He would just need to contain himself. I guess that's my answer. I think any good director could do it. They might have to make it a horror comedy.

You know, Edgar Wright made a horror comedy. I think that's his best film. You know, that's like an incredible movie. Shawley Dead. You know, Tarantino should try that or anybody. It doesn't have to be like a horror film like, you know, really like hereditary fucking disturbing. It just depends what you're into. What kind of movie you want to make. Even those are kind of comedies, right? Like hereditary. Definitely midsomer is a bit of a comedy, a bit funny. Um, not as much as like Sean of the dead or anything but yeah i don't know i don't really think of the humor as much very mild definitely yeah the sacrifice scenes aren't funny

Ari Aster makes horror movies with like a couple comedy elements whereas Edgar Wright makes comedy movies with a couple horror elements yeah yeah yeah so there's one genre that supersedes the other you kind of need a little of both you can't just make like a well you can't make a straight-up horror movie but i don't find those interesting. Just like a tad of comedy, I think, is a little... I don't know.

Depends on what you're going for. It's like a little bit of salt, you know? Yeah. Add a little bit of salt to them, you know? It really depends. Yeah, I guess it depends. Yeah. I like my horror movie's bleak.

Yeah, it just depends. Oh, my heart ripped out. Like, an hereditary. Yeah, I want to see, like, ten dead children. The Shining. That's it. Liam. has one for us.

Are there any actors slash actresses that scare you in a strange way? For example, Tim Burton hesitated casting Christopher Walken in his second Batman movie because he was very afraid of him. You mentioned him a couple times this episode, but I get that from Jared Leto a little bit. I'm a bit frightened of him. He seems a little bit unhinged. I don't know if it's just a joker coming out. No. I get it in.

Blade Runner. I get it in. I don't feel that way. He seems to cringe He's uncringed Sorry, he is grinched Sure He's not uncrinched

He always say her name wrong Shersher Ron There's something scared out of that they Shersher Shersha She's in that movie Hannah That was the first time I saw her I thought she looked fucking freaky looking at that Hmm

Scared the shit out of me I thought And you know I saw her in Brooklyn I'm like wow she actually She's very beautiful woman Like this is great And then like But in Hannah

She's fucking freaky looking Her hair She has like these really bleached eyebrows, like, the pale skin. And I guess just her character in that, too. She's like a genetic mutant who like beats up people. Like, she's genetically enhanced. It's like freaky.

Yeah. That's probably. I guess that's what makes it a good movies because I was actually like, I believe that character and I was like scared of her. That's what made a good movie. If you were to get me to pick a scary actor, my, like, I don't know, if I'm thinking of like scared I would pick like an actor that would just like if I could imagine them getting upset at me for no reason

like if I were interacting with them and I did something and it was just like oh no I brought you like the wrong size of Eminem's candy or something and they just like fucking have a grudge at me for the rest of their life but I don't know what's happening behind the scenes is it Jennifer Lawrence if it's Jennifer Lawrence then her maybe she's the one maybe she's the I was just thinking like a role in a movie I was thinking real life Like someone like an actor of your life Who creep me out? Oh yeah well that's like a million of them who are like Prevatives Like Kevin Spacey I don't want if you could be like 10 miles Oh yeah but yeah

When you're that crazy I'm almost like intrigued though I'm like less scared and more like what is going on? No no I'm not intrigued by Kevin Spacey Yeah I'm pretty scared of him You'd be intrigued by me probably If someone has so much money in power than I could be and and I know they're psychotic then it's like how easy would it be for them to just hire a hitman and get away with it like because the more money you have like the more

plausible that is right go on the dark web get you a hitman just house a carge isn't that easy you just go get like a hitman free the more money and power you have the easier it is yeah like it would be you better not mess around guys i'm just saying a hitman that doesn't have your house I'm gonna own all Sardonic has sent to it. Kevin Spacey might kill people. You never know. He's probably killed a few people. Yeah, wasn't there somebody who was going to like

sue him and then they died or something? Maybe I'm just making shit out. Whoa. That's crazy. There's a lot of stories like that though. It's just people happen to die. It was like a guy who invented. He literally like he invented the water car.

Like a car that ran on H2L. Yeah. And then a day later he was poisoned like at a He was going to show it to people at B. oil and then he got poisoned. Yeah. At a time. I don't know how true.

That's like ridiculous. 2019. But just hearing stories like that, that makes me laugh by ass off. Like, yeah, the world is like controlled by oil companies or, and that's it. Yeah, yeah. This has been reported on in late 2019. There was a, this is actually real. An accuser.

What you're saying. Someone was suing, yeah, Kevin Spacey. They were accusing him of like groping in loss, you know, in the lawsuit. And the lawsuit was dismissed because he was. died. Just a freak accident or something. Let's see. How did he die? Yeah. Ooh. Weird.

Have you seen his occasional YouTube upload? Oh, they're great. That's sick. That's so funny. Well, they're great in like a sick way. He's like in character. It's so weird. He's in character like making, it's almost like a like a bitching with Babish type.

He's cooking food. That's a funny comparison. It is weird. But that's what he's trying to be like. Like, hi everyone. How are you doing? I'm just cooking some food. You know, do my thing. And I'm gonna tell you even though he's like a fucking

A predator a pedophile like the worst fucking scumbag of a human being you can imagine American Beauty is still a good movie and so is nine lives nine lives is a it's a masterpiece you know I don't know if it's giving me details on the death but I don't know I'll look this up later It's a little difficult to find you should be in jail like what he should be making YouTube videos from his jail cell now that would be method acting. Dad, I would actually watch. I think that was fucking awesome. Kevin Spacey in jail, like...

His YouTube channel. Cooking. I don't know. Some really shitty prison food. Like chili. Chili. I got a question for both of you. I was having this argument yesterday. Is it still chili if it doesn't have beans in it?

It's a core ingredient. I feel like... Yeah, me too. I feel like... Well, if it's just like... Chop meat. then it's just meat size well because I've had chili

which is like chopped meat in it and I think that it's not chili I don't know it's not chili man I guess I just chopped meat then I don't know it's just meat size

actually means chili with meat this was what it like that's what it means it's described as on Wikipedia meaning chili with me I mean but then you have to add the qualifier though right chili peppers meat tomatoes and kidney beans

yeah to me I feel like it would be incomplete without the beans it'd be like oh shit forgot the core ingredients it's like the main thing that makes this meal what it is you know just in my personal view but you know in conclusion it's not chilly if it doesn't have beans we need gordon ramsie to weigh in everybody tweet gordon ramsie we need to know let's do this one from little stuckman who says i'm not sure if this question has been asked but if you were ever given the opportunity and resources to remake a film your choice, for example, a film that you feel could be improved in some way, or a new take on the same idea could be done. What would it be?

If I had the resources and experience and talent to be able to communicate the vision in my head for a Death Note movie, I think I could do a better job than Adam Wingard. You know, even if I didn't have the money and resources and talent, I think I could do a better job than Adam Wingard. Yeah. My answer is in a similar kind of vein going off a show. I was talking to Ralph about this before we were recording, but I just watched Avatar The Last Airbender for the first time. So thinking about M. Knight's movie version and how much of a travesty that is compared to the source material, it would be tough.

It would be really tough to translate that story. But if you went in with like a big chunky runtime and did a trilogy the proper way, I feel like you could. do more at least than what was attempted. Anyone could do better than that. That was awful. It's a lot of material to adapt, yeah. I see one day, like, movies,

movies will be seen as almost like classic novels, where they're just adapting, like, Macbeth a hundred times, like classic Shakespeare plays, you know? There's, like, 100 Macbeth movies. So I think they will be remaking classic Hollywood movies eventually, whether we like it or not. Like, Godfather, you know, I think they will be, like, making that again.

I would kind of like to remake the godfather, not in an insulting way, just because there will be a million Godfather movies I feel in the future because it's such a great movie. That is like the best movie, you know? Like I feel like 200 years from now when it's royalty free, why wouldn't you remake a Godfather movie? It's the great, it's the best story ever told. You could just, you know, get a bunch of great actors who created. Like a Shakespeare in the Park type thing where they just go out for free, you know. Like these incredible actors go out for free and perform Shakespeare because it's so good You know, they'll do the same thing for classic movies a cuckoo's nest

You know anything anything like that Gus Van Sant remade psycho because he was like somebody else is just gonna do it And then we got that's what I'd like to read We got Vince fine There's a novelty in remaking bad movies too because you can improve them Yeah Yeah it's way hard it's a remake a good movie People love the same stories over and over again

They do love that. As evidenced by the Lion King remakes, you know, making tons of money. Disney's home movie. Yeah. It's the same story, but people love the same story again. I think it would be a very interesting kind of challenge for a talented film. If you got like a really, really talented writer-director,

and you tasked them with remaking, I don't know, the room or Berdemic, but like, but they reworked the story. story so that it was actually like competent and like a good movie. Don't you feel it's a waste of time? No, it would be very interesting. No, because think like if you pulled it off. Like the godfather. No, I'm just saying it would be like a really interesting film experiment, right?

Where it's like can they sell? I'm not saying they have to have the exact same script. I'm saying you could take the base concept and rework it in a way that it would like actually make sense. And perhaps there will be some elements that stay in. And perhaps that most of the film. will be removed and it's just character's names? Who knows? What is the percentage of what you would have to change about the film to make it work? Is the real question, right? Because like, you could take Berdemic and improve it dramatically by just

having better-looking birds, right? You know, you could take the same base story. I mean, it's just the pitch huckus, the birds, right? There's things about it that could work. And so the room is like pretty bad and almost bland in a lot of ways, except for the X factor, is Tommy Wiseau, or like in all of these bad movies, there's Neil Breen, or there's someone like that who gives it the personality that makes it interesting. I feel if you take that away, it's not as good. Like the room without Tommy Waiso is, what even is it? This is kind of, it's like a lifetime movie, right? Yeah, the room without Tommy Wuzzo is just the disaster artist. James Franco. And that was fine, although he's like, yeah, he's being a creep.

heard. As you do in Hollywood. Come on, guys. Give it a risk, goddamn. Come on, people. Disaster artists, I guess it's okay. I guess Dave Franco's okay. Yeah, he's alright.

Come on, Dave. Don't let us down. Are that James? They're both in it, aren't they? Yeah, they are. James and Dave. Oh, yeah. Dave is like Greg Sestra. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought he was okay. He's just, you know, I just Yeah, what a forgettable movie I can't even remember. That's funny. Yeah, I mean, the room is much more memorable. And that movie starts, remember, with a bunch of celebrities telling you how great the room is. Oh, yeah.

JJ Abrams, like, yeah, or Lizzie Kaplan. I saw this movie, it blew me away. Who cares? It's not about you. It's about the room. I find it an interesting testament of just how much of a cultural phenomenon the room is that you can make an entire movie

that only works if you've seen the room, really. Because the whole movie is literally just references, like, oh, he said, oh, hi, Mark, ha ha, right? That's the whole movie. He did the thing. So, clearly, because it was successful, then, I mean, that's a testament to the room. I wish I could put myself in the shoes of someone

who hasn't seen the room and just watch that movie, like, as a biopic. Maybe in the future. You know, the room is so iconic. You can't not avoid it. I thought the movie was fine, but... A documentary on Tommy would be more interesting than that. There is a documentary on Tommy Wiseau called Room Full of Spoons,

and a screener link was sent to me in 2016, and I will forever regret not clicking on it, because I'm not able to watch it anymore because there was a gigantic lawsuit that eventually the filmmakers won against Tommy Weizzo. So Tommy Wiseau tried to prevent them from actually screening the film. And so this movie from 2016 might be coming out, I don't know, in the next year or so,

it would be nice if it came out before my fucking 2016 list is done because that would be cool. Oh, so why did he want to suppress it so bad? Apparently it answers some questions about, like, I don't know, how he got his money or something, like, I don't know. Yeah, because that's, like, the big question, I guess.

It's like, it apparently goes into his personal life a bit or something, but I don't know. I have no idea. I haven't seen it. Stuff he doesn't want people to know about, though. And also, he's just kind of an asshole. He tried to prevent nostalgia critics review a long time ago, right?

Like, that was a big thing. Like, Tommy Wazzo is just a very not self-aware person. So, big surprise. Yeah, I saw him in person in London. Because he only has one movie. He's not like a, it's not like a film company where they have

like thousands of movies if they don't give a shit. It's like, that's his only movie, so people make reviews of it. He takes it very personally. This is so stupid. I can't like imagine the CEO of Warner Brothers like suing someone or, well, I guess,

do through that as well. But it's so absurd that like a giant company would sue someone, like for making a review. It's a review of a movie. Yeah. What's the... They don't understand the internet, though. Right. What's the moral gray area?

Like, it's, it's, there's clearly a difference between someone uploading a movie and someone reviewing a movie. If you can see that, you're just like, I don't know, he must be sick. He needs to gather more money for his next project. Yeah, exactly. His next fucking piece of. garbage, that doesn't matter. Like, he hasn't done anything since the room.

Oh, he's done things that are just not funny. Fucking terrible things. Like that terrible show where he's doing like, let's plays of video games, the neighbors, that let's play series he had. He can't even play video games because he's a fucking dumbass. Yeah, he's definitely no Neil Breen. I love, I love Neil Breen with the bottom of my heart. Neil Breen just makes movies.

He does his thing. It does real estate or whatever, whatever the fuck he does on this side. And then he does, and then he makes great. great movies. The best movies. Like, he's not trying to... Like, you can't fix Neil Brains movies. There's nothing to fix.

Tommy was so, like, he would have gone to the Oscars if they had invited him. But they didn't, because they knew we would have made a fucking circus. Like, he did the Golden Globes. Right? Then he got up on the stage and everything. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Golden Globes, there's all that shit out and out. Like, all these actors came out against the Golden Globes.

Oh, yeah, it's funny. And streaming services. They're stupid. The Hollywood Foreign Press are stupid. And they pick stupid movies. They, like, sign some, like, open letter or something. I don't know. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, but like big actor, like Scar Johansson. It's like, yeah, good. Not that she's the best person, but like, they are. They pick, they pick shitty fucking movies and it's clearly biased. Oh, yeah. I'd say that's even worse than the Oscars. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

And even the Oscars were embarrassed than the Oscars. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Imagine having something that's worse than the Oscars. Oh. Imagine being worse than the Oscars. So unanimously, too. Yeah.

fee. Let's end on this one then from Goosey Muker Gooseface 2. Were there any movies slash TV shows slash games that were banned by your parents? And in your later life, do you agree with their decision? I wasn't allowed Grand Theft Auto until I was 18, and nowadays I get why. Hmm. The one that stands out in my mind was, I think I was playing the original Bioshock, like on my TV after I got home from school.

And my mum, like, came into the living room and saw me, like, smacking a splicer with the like the like wrench from the beginning she's like oh I don't want you playing that and then took it away no that's my man one yeah I guess I was a bit too young I was always very honest with my mom about the video games I would just like describe it to her so my GTA your open world I describe what an open world is I want to take forever yeah but like you could do whatever you want it could run over people with cars and she's like nah maybe not Yeah, but this is like San Andreas era where it looked like shit.

So I'd say, even if I were to play it, I don't know, I don't think that would have made me into a shooter or anything. That's fucking absurd. It's ridiculous. I think people who say that about video games. But like GTA 4, I thought was great. I played that was like 15. I think like that's like a teenager could play those things. Yeah.

It doesn't. It's a video game. Like, who fucking cares? It's not real life. Just do whatever want. Yeah, it's just the parents. They don't understand it, so they're scared of it. Yeah.

If the game has some horrible material in it, that's on the game makers. That's not on the guy buying the game. Well, because it's rated M. Like, that matters at all. GameStop people, we used to be a pain in the ass, too. I was trying to buy Arkham Knight, and the guy was really trying to, like, skew my mom away from buying the game. Oh, what? Yeah, like, scarecrow gives out this LSD-like substance that makes Batman.

It's like, give me a funger break. Like, Batman's on LSD. Yeah, it's like, please. He's not trying to... He's like, it's like, it's fictional. Yeah, it's a comic book. It's like, give me a fucking break

with this nonsense. It's stupid. Yeah, but we bought the game anyway because my mom's not fucking moron. Yeah, there's a Batman game is too inappropriate. Got a, get a cool mom for, I was thinking about

Mother's Day. That's why. Very in theme. Well, I was actually never allowed to play GTA either. Mm-hmm. Just because of the next. name, I think, because it was just being in the news and shit.

But it never bothered me because I never really cared about GTA until GTA5 came out. There was a VHS tape in the TV room in the basement. And my parents took me aside and pointed it out and said, never watch this.

And it just sat there. And I don't remember when I watched it. It was Rocky Horror Picture Show. It was just like the the lips on the cover and then it's like I don't know eventually when I watched it it was like it's not that bad like out of all they showed me the Terminator when I was like seven like why

was he Rocky Horror picture show is like so weird With movies they were not the same way Like I was allowed to watch basically whatever I wanted Yeah exactly not that I was showing like Steered that far outside of my bounds I never did but yeah I watched Robo Cop and you know Those kinds of things and violent shit

But it was funny You know maybe we're just being like cynical old men Like back in the day people were like Moms were like would never let my kid watch robocops too violent but you know 40 years before that was violent books or you know controversial books comic books or a married couple being shown in the same room on television yeah like that or yeah anything or interracial kissing on star trek yeah any kind of yeah taboo subject matter yeah and then you realize that people are just fucking

stupid i mean even violent video games have become more taboo i know Fortnite isn't quite, like, it's not violent, but you're shooting people. It's the point of it. It's like a battle reality. My restriction from video games when I was younger wasn't even based off of any particular rating. I just

wasn't allowed video games for a long time. So I missed out on the Nintendo generation. I played a bit of Nintendo at like N64 at like a friend's house. And I had a Game Boy. That was like the only video game thing that I had for a while.

But I loved that Game Boy. Yeah, that was the exact same. Yeah, Game Boy color. It was exact same. I had to have a Game Boy, because I wasn't allowed a console. I had a PSP for a while. Those things weren't too great. Game Boy was cool.

And did you have a Game Boy, like, in your car? Because you could have a TV screen in your car. And you could attach Game Boy games in it. So that was the best to play it in the car. No, it was all just like a portable handheld thing. So I guess, like, yeah, I brought it in a car. I remember having these weird, like, I still actually have them. I have like, this is just so nostalgic for me

that I just keep these things forever, but I have the, like, attachments where you, like, stick a battery-powered light on top of it because it doesn't have backlighting in the screen so you can actually see what's going on in the dark. And, like, these, yeah, rumble packs and, like, all that cool shit.

The wireless trader things. Yeah, I missed out on, like, the DS generation and all that. That's so much. It's much earlier. GameCube was the only console I had until I was a teenager. When I was 13, I got, like, up PS3. That's it. The first actual console I had was

original Xbox and me and my brother saved up some money. We bought it. We had, you know, it was our purchase and we got Halo and that was my first, like, real big console experience and it was the fucking best.

Loved it. See, I didn't get an Xbox. I got PlayStation, so I missed out on Halo completely. Yeah, I got PS2 first. I'm sure it's good. Like, I go download it now. I'm sure I enjoy it. Yeah, it is on PC. Like, I saw it was on sale.

I should probably get it. It's on Steam. Not that I'd have that attachment to it that you guys did, but I'm sure it's really good. Do the old graphics if you do the MCC. Yeah, I was thinking that too. Yeah. I like that they give you that option. I thought that was a good choice.

No, no, I'm sure. Well, it's still 4K, you know. They're just, you know, the textures or whatever. Yeah. That's sick, though. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The only other weird parental restriction things would be like,

I rented a lot of movies from like movie video store or whatever and I was going through my like whole horror movie phase when I was 13 there was a deal for seven days seven movies seven dollars as long as it was VHS old titles so I just rent all like the nightmare on Elm streets all the Friday the 13th

like fucking all these like dumb slasher horror movies and I just watched like seven of them like basically just a horror movie every day and I remember my mom was like you're gonna you're going to turn into a murderer. So like weird concerns. It didn't turn me into a murder. It just made me desensitized the horror movies.

Fuck, I wish I could get scared. I like the Jaws movies. So my mom had an issue with that. But I'm like, it's not like a killer. It's just a shark. Like, it's nature. They are really violent. Yeah.

Like, bloody as fuck. But, you know, I don't see the issue with those. It creates a harmful depiction and an irrational fear of sharks, though. Yeah. I guess it just depends on what your parents are exposed to, too. Because if they think Jaws is bad, then I don't know. They're not really exposed to cinema. They haven't seen irreversible.

Like, gasping away cinema. By the way, that literally showed up. It did finally. Oh, cool. I'm going to probably order it. The other cut. It's like a limited run. So if you're thinking about ordering it, do it now.

It's like only 10,000 copies. That's probably his best. That's his best stuff. Climax and irreversible, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. All right, I guess that's it for questions.

My voice is dying. Oh, yeah, we are doing our first ever group recommendation. We all talked about it, and we decided it was very, very important to do this because it is the... Crucial. What is it? Which anniversary is it? 20th anniversary? Yeah, 20th.

Yeah, of Shrunk. Shrek. starring Mike Myers and Eddie Murphy and we're going to at least watch the first one there's a 4K Blu-ray

coming out tomorrow so Oh cool I didn't know that It's already out if you're listening to this And yeah Unfortunately they didn't release

The other ones on 4K But Boo I'm going to say that I'll try to watch all of them You're not obligated to But I'm going to I'm going to try my

god damn best to watch all of them I'll watch all of them I'll watch the first three oh yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I can keep going I'm gonna see what I can do here it'll be like a marathon I don't know if I've seen all I've seen all the Shrek movies I have not seen Puss and Boots maybe I'll try watching that one

there's like a fourth Shrek is there just one that's it though right there's nothing else there's Shrek 40 I've seen that that's a universal special if you want to count that I think I've seen oh yeah I'll I'm watching everything that's in the Blu-ray pack that I bought. Anything in the Shrek first. There's also like a live action musical that they stuck in there for

some reason so that'll be interesting. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Yeah. And so yeah, if not all of us, finish all of them, that's fine. But I'm going to try my goddamn best. The quadrilogy. Yeah, and some spinoffs, I guess. Fucking Christmas Shrek movie or something, I don't know. Shrek the Hulls, is what it was called? Shrek the Holes, that's a song, yeah. Trek forever after. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, solid stuff. Shrek forever after.

Cannot? Wait. Yeah, I'm hyped for this. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So Shrek won at the cinema. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

I don't know if I saw any of them in the theater, but I saw them when they came out on, like, video or whatever. All right. I saw I'm at home with the Fam Jam. Darmian Fam Jam. All right, so if you don't want to be spoiled for Shrecks, all of them. Watch them before the next episode.

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