Sardonicast - Sardonicast #90: Spiral, Luca, Almost Famous

Episode Date: July 12, 2021

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Three, two, one. Hey, Darmann, fam, check out this podcast. I know you're going to love it. This is Adam from your movie sex, and this is Sardonicast, the podcast, Sardonicast. Darmand's favorite podcast, everybody. Who else is here? I'm Ralph Movie Maker. And I'm Alex from my H.E.

That was nice, a nice flash to the past. What past? This is still ongoing. Everything's in the past after we say, Adam. Oh, true. Okay, there is no present. Fuck. Damn.

We're getting deep on this one. All right, we're all going to die. Synecdochie. All right, podcast is ever. I have a question for you, Alex, actually. If you enter... Oh, shit. Okay, this is great.

We're starting off fresh. If you enter a building and you're on, like, street level, and then you go up one floor, like, up the stairs or up the elevator by one floor. What floor are you on? The first floor? Holy five. Oh my god, I can't deal with that. It's a UK thing, sorry.

It's, yeah, the first floor is ground floor. Yeah, you take the lift to the first floor. No. It makes sense for the first floor to be the one that's the first one you enter when you're on the ground. If you go up a floor, you're on the second floor. I can't deal with it. This podcast has just destroyed my worldview of the UK. Just having to describe the way it works over here to other people and just having to be the ambassador for British things.

It's too much pressure, man. So you call it like floor zero when you entered or like just grant G? Does anybody ever call it zero? Well, the only time I can ever think of even like thinking about what floor I'm on is when I'm in somewhere with a lift or an elevator, I guess. Yeah. You go into a house and go, ah, I'm on the ground floor right now. Let's go up. It's a one.

Well, I don't know. I don't know. It would make more sense if instead of you calling it the first floor, you said like plus one. Because then the zero base, you could go plus one, negative one, anything away from zero. Like, that would make sense to me. But calling it the first floor, that implies that it's like the first one, but it's not. You need a license to have a TV here. I mean, not much makes sense.

Oh, really? Really? Wow. Yeah. TV license. No. That's a joke. That's a joke.

No, I'm serious. No, and it's taken so seriously that you only need a TV license if you have like a satellite, if you're watching live TV, which obviously I don't do. The last time I watched the last live TV would have been decades ago because it's some old government thing. They haven't adapted with the times. So you have to go online and say, I don't need a TV license and you fill in a stupid form. Oh, you have to fill out the form to not have a TV license. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everyone has to do it. Otherwise you have to pay your like 100. Quid a year TV license fine. Oh. They fine you for having the license? They find you if you don't have a TV license. Oh, shit. But if you say you don't need one, then randomly one day someone might knock on your door

saying, we're here to check that you're not watching off like a satellite right now. I had it happen to me. That's amazing. Holy crap. They're not legally allowed in your house, but I had nothing to hide so, okay, you can check. I didn't even have like a satellite attached to my That's absolutely insane Well that's very nice of you

You let them in I know yeah I'm just I'm not about causing trouble you know I just wanted to delete you like Yeah But my granddad has refused them so So yeah they they They the license is Automatic unless you refuse it

No you have to go out of your way to either say Yes I need one and give them the money or say no I don't need one and they'll come and check at some point. Since it's a license, do they ever refuse a license? Is there a reason why they would go, you're not allowed this license to a television? Well, I don't know why they call it a license. It's more of a tax, really.

Yeah, really. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, and they failed to adapt it at the time. I thought that was a fucking meme. I thought if people said, like, oh, you're in Whitbong, Blaine, you got a license for your TV. I thought that was supposed to be, like, a commentary on how many things you need.

I didn't think it was actually like a TV license. No, no. Actually, there genuinely is a TV license. You're blowing my mind. With the idea being that the BBC is funded by the money that is raised by it, so you don't have ads on the BBC. We have Crown corporations. We have the CBC, right?

Like, we have government-funded television channels. We don't have a license for our TVs to fund it. Just comes out of tax money. I'm not defending the TV license. Okay. Fuck the TV license. I think it's really ridiculous and stupid. And the UK deserves to be made fun of for such a ridiculous idea.

Yeah, happy America Day, Ralph. It was America Day yesterday. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, yesterday was. At the time of this podcast being posted, I guess it depends. It'll be, well, like the eighth, right? It'll be sometime.

Depends. Live in the present. Everything's in the past. It's just a lot of fireworks. This is a recording. Yeah, you're right. Everything's the past. Yeah, Edgar Ray tweeted about synaptarchy.

Oh, Edgar Wright? You see that? Oh, yeah. The fucking, what was it, Amazon Prime listed it as a comedy or something? Yeah, but he's just like, yeah, classic. Yeah, what a great knee-slapping comedy. What was this question you had, Alex? So, seeing as we're basically on this topic of weird British things already,

and seeing as Source Spiral has a lot of pig imagery and pigs involved, do you guys know what pork scratchings are? Pork scratching. Is that a product you can buy? Pork scratchings. Pork rinds? Yeah, yeah. I guess that's...

We call them something silly. We call them Scratchings here. I was gonna guess like jerky. That's not... Mark Rines are good. Scratchings is what you pick up in a bar or whatever. Of course, it's the same thing. We just have a stupid name for it.

Okay. There's some good ones in the States I can never find in Canada called baconettes. Like they have the regular baconettes in Canada, but there's like a spicier one in the States that I really like, and it's like, damn, I never find that. In just the US, a baconette? What is that? It's a brand of pork rinds.

Oh, okay. It's just baconettes, I think. At least bacon, it kind of explains what it is. What is a scratching? I don't know the history of that one. I don't want to. I mean, a scratching is when you scratch your friend. You scratch their back,

and in this case, you scratch the back of a pig. It's a pork scratching. A crunchy bag of fried pig. skin. Yep. It's not bad. It's a normal thing. Equivalence to spiral. When do you eat that? Is that like a movie snack? Have you never had pork rinds? Oh okay. No, not really. I don't really. They're fine. If you're on like keto, they're really good because they're like no carbs or whatever. But yeah, they're just like, just imagine if you like puffed up bacon fat or whatever just like yeah. Yeah, like I know what they are. I haven't had like it seems like there's really good.

ones I had like the UTS ones I don't even know what that is it's like if you made if you turned a pig into a crunchy styrofoam yeah exactly it's kind of weird but I guess it's okay I just rather your chips or something yeah it's weird it's called scratching's

it's not though yeah it's just over here yeah pork scratching's speaking of that's a weird one yeah Like the pig...

We saw spiral. From the book of the books. Yeah, I remember those days. Like, did you see saw or have you saw... Did you saw saw? Like the other day. Did you see saw? Fucking awful.

Yeah. M's were the days. I saw saw spiral and I don't know what you guys thought. You do know what we thought. We kind of heavily hinted that at the previous episode. Well, briefly like recap. What did you? Okay.

Well, Alex and I hated it. What did you think? Really? Yeah. Well, I didn't think it was very good. No. And I like these movies. I actually thought it was pretty bad.

It's horrendous. I couldn't get over the look of the movie. I think that was the main thing. It just doesn't look. It just kind of looks like a CBS show, like a drama. Like really cheap digital camera. Like, I didn't like the color. You know, like blue.

There's like a lot of blue. I don't know. I just thought the movie looked very kind of cheap looking. There are so many people. that are saying that this movie looks like super professional compared to the other films. And I think that they were probably sucked into the marketing or something. Because that's how they're marketing it. And Darren Lynn Bousman is in interviews being like, yeah, I was like 25 when I directed Saw 2 and Saw 3.

And I'm a more mature person now. And so this is a real movie with real characters and you actually care about them. But it's like he just fails on every level. It's absolutely embarrassing. And that's exactly how they're marketing it too because they're like, it's not a Saw movie anymore. We're not releasing it at Halloween. This isn't even called Saw. Or like 7 or something.

I love Saw because I like, in the same way, like Friday the 13th where it's a great encapsulation of like the early 2000s in horror. It's very gory. I think people just liked it at the time and trying to recapture it now, it wouldn't work. I would love it. So they tried to modernize it by going with this Gone Girl kind of thing, I guess with the cinematography. Yeah, I think they could do it. I think those Saw movies are really goofy. but people knew what they were and at the time I think

Exactly. That's more than what could be said about this film. It doesn't know what it is. It thinks it's just doing something like actually serious. It thinks that it wrote characters that are like interesting or engaging or not one note. Chris Rock thinks that he can act seriously in the movie. He can't.

Darren Lynn Bousman thinks that he made a movie that looks professional and is like well directed. Like this movie has zero self-awareness and it's so fucking embarrassing. But what I would like to say about whether or not Saw could still work now, the proof that it could work is the fact that people are still watching things like Spiral and Jigsaw, right? Like, the only reason people are watching these newer incarnations where they do try to somewhat modernize them is because it's attached to the old Saw name, right? Even though they're kind of doing it not really because they're like, you know,

they're marketing it as the book of Saw because it's still technically there. But, you know, like that's the only reason anybody saw it. If this was an original IP, no one would have watched this shit. Nobody would have watched it. Yeah. It's abandoned everything that has made it so. Yeah. But still kind of hanging out to it.

It's so embarrassing. I need two things from this franchise to be entertained by it. And that's one, Tobin Bell, and two, fun traps. It's kind of all I'm asking for. It's all I really want. And just the stupid silliness of that is enough. But you don't get either of those things really. Well, you get traps, but they're some of the most forgettable,

boring, lazy traps are all framed around, I guess, like, they were like cops. It's all like punishing the police in this story of Chris Rock and Samuel Jackson. And, you know, I was convinced that, because the big question to me

was how are they going to replace Tobin Bell? Who's going to be the new jigsaw equivalent? And I was convinced that Sam Jackson was going to wind up being, like, the new Tobin Bell, and it was going to be like a huge Marvel MCU, Chris Rock versus Sam Jackson buildup thing.

Instead, it's, I guess, spoilers. Yeah, spoilers. The ultimate reveal is that Max Mingheller, Detective Williamson. Whoever that is.

Someone, he's such a non-entity of a movie. I dropped my glasses. Now you will pay. Oh, the twist is another thing you're waiting for in the Saw movies. And that's the twist of this one. And you're just like, oh, really? That's the twist. You're almost waiting for another twist on

on topics. You're like, that seriously can't be the reveal of this movie. It's so bad. Like the way they make that character just disappear and they don't show his dead body. Oh, yeah. It turns out you're supposed to believe that the one character whose death that they didn't explicitly show is actually dead and not still alive doing things. And then it's like a reveal like, oh, you didn't see this one coming like, holy fuck, how lazy. What a boring script.

What a paint by numbers piece of garbage. They unironically had a scene where Chris Rock was going, I don't. need a partner to like the police chief or whatever it's like fuck off like this is the most boring thing that's ever existed you took something that at least knew what it was and was interesting and unique and was its own thing and you just turned it into any garbage film student nonsense with a couple of traps in there like it looks like it was made by like teenagers it does it looks really cheap Chris Rock's dialogue his is like stand-up routine he goes through.

There's even like a Twilight joke. Don't drain the phone battery watching Twilight. What movie is this? What is the... Like, what? This came out in 2020. Well, because they needed some levity, right? But they didn't... Yeah.

It just feels like he is doing like ad lib. It's just Chris Rock on the screen. And they left it in. For some reason. Yeah. Yeah. Just left it in. Out of all of the directors

that have directed Saw movies, Darren Lynn Bazman is not anywhere near my favorite, right? Get Kevin Grutter, get James one, and then the rest fucking leave him, you know? We don't need David Hackle. We don't need Darren Lynn Bazman. Was there another one? I don't even know. Maybe they should just stopped making them. No, keep it going. We need to have a reveal. Go crazy. I really like the continuing story of the first seven saw movies. It was like a soap opera, and then it just stopped. And Jigsaw, they, I guess they're trying to put the pieces kind of in place, but it doesn't fit as well.

I missed the whole goofy subplot with the police detective. I miss everything about the original film. All that nonsense. Jigsaw's wife. Yeah. That was awesome. That's the best part.

And then, yeah, the traps. You know, that's the highlight. They've already done the whole copycat killer thing as well. It's just nothing original, no new takes in this movie at all. Yeah. And it never justifies why he's doing it in a saw way. It never justifies why he's copying. He's just got a beef with Chris Rock and his dad.

Like there's no reason why any of this had to happen or why they had to be traps. Like, did you want people to be able to escape any of them? Is that like a part, were they all inescapable? Like, why do that? You could just kill them. I don't know. It didn't justify anything. It's a very dull film.

Yeah, like they spin on the old ideas, for example. like their new version of the sore puppet with the new voice and everything like it is so much worse it is so bad that new voice like I don't get you're trying to do this more grounded like visually I guess you want it to be this serious

thing you're going for the serious story but then like it's the same you've written it like the same stupid way you have like the previous ones you put like no extra effort into this concept at all it just seems like when you read like the Wikipedia and you read a bit about how into it. Chris Rock was and it seems like this whole project was basically just

spurred on from him talking to the higher ups over there and them just getting this project off the ground because he wanted to take his career in a different direction. I know what to do with the SA franchise. Way to go. If it was that easy, it's a shame someone else didn't do it. Fuck, give me the soft franchise. I'll write something funny. Yeah.

Like Chris Rock, even when I heard him announced, but you know, People were hesitant when Heath Ledger was announced as in the dark night, right? So it's like, oh, so maybe actually Chris Rock will be really good in this movie and I heard some good things about him. But yeah, he didn't really do much. I thought his jokes were corny. Yeah, I found it difficult to distinguish when he was joking. Really? Yeah.

Because he was trying to do serious things at the same time. But every time he yells, it's like he's doing stand-up because he's not a great actor. Yeah, I thought he was hilarious. I loved a lot. It was so sanitized and lame. It wasn't as intense as those other saw movies. There were a lot of jump scares. A lot of...

I guess we're going through a phase in horror. A lot of... A lot of editing. Jump scares. It was just him sitting in his car and he starts screaming. I hope we got back to that era where it's like really violent again. Like the Saw movies, really goofy traps with just like tons of blood. Part of the fun of the previous movies with it,

when someone was in a trap, there was kind of a way they could get out of it, not fairly, but, you know, it was like a challenge, something they could leave them damage to something. Sometimes, yeah. That was like the hook, whatever. But I don't think anyone ever escapes one in this movie. It's just, because that was one of the things the previous movie did, where someone was setting up traps that were impossible to escape, which was like, defeat the point. Yeah, what is the point of this movie? Yeah. They tried to hide it even.

It feels so fucking like just forced. Like they clearly didn't plan this out from the beginning. This isn't like a vision of Saw that was in the beginning. Like, oh yeah, I envisioned Saw Spiral 20 years in the future. It's not like Twin Peaks or something.

It's just like so thrown together. I didn't like the story. I thought it was lazy. It's paint by numbers nonsense. It's the most boring fucking thing that could ever be created and called a Saw movie. or from the book of SAA.

Like, what's even the audience for this? Like, am I the audience? Because I thought it was boring. And I thought it was like, shit. The audience is a handful of people on the SAAS subreddit that are so superfans that they would never admit that they saw something they didn't like. But then they should just make it a bunch of like violent traps for two hours. I wouldn't give a shit. That's what people want to see.

Yeah. This is just dumb. Like, it's just lazy and, like, it's just boring. The fact they felt the need to kind of reboot the story makes it seem like they felt they'd written themselves into a corner and needed to refresh it. They're cowards. This isn't refreshing anything. Fucking Saw 3 wrote itself into a corner and they kept going with four more. Okay, they're fucking cowards.

Those were successful films. Saw 7 was successful too and they decided to push out because paranormal activity made a bit more money than them. It was like, oh, it's not profitable anymore. You still made like a shit ton of money off of a movie that costs nothing to make, okay? You still made money off of Saw 7. Don't pretend you didn't. They shot themselves in the foot by calling it the final chapter. They could have just called it Saw 7 and then take a break.

I mean, to get Jigsaw credit, actually. I liked how they brought Tobin Bell back into it and it was actually okay compared to this. You know, at least it was marketed as like Tobin Bell. There's no reason why they should have. stopped. They could keep going. They could continue from Saw 7 right now. They can keep going with Tobin Bell. There's no reason why they couldn't. Twin brother, please Lionsgate, listen to us. Tobin Bell is like in his 70s. You got to use him while you can, okay? People want him. Bring him back. He's got a twin brother. He never died in Saw 3. Make it goofy. Nobody gives a shit, okay? You think the

original movies weren't goofy? What do you think people want? Those were successful. What are you doing? Why are you making it not like the successful ones. That's so stupid. Right. It just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, because at least the last one did have the funny, like, what the fuck you doing with the like time thing? It was just showing different timelines and you just love it.

No way of knowing. That's funny. That's so stupid and ridiculous. It's more complicated than primer. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and there's just no way you could assume that was going to be what was going to happen. But here it's so obvious. It is paint by numbers.

It's just fucking nothing going on. And you've got like CG glass flying around in the traps, and it's just so, so removed from what made this franchise good. I like laughing at it, but man, there's nothing to this. I love the contradiction between marketing your film and pretending like it's, like, this more mature version of Saw, like, oh, this is about the characters, while simultaneously having the editor trying, attempting to recreate a lot of the weird editing choices of the first saw movies where it's like,

ooh, fast zoom and like, pa, blah, loud noise and brightness and like, it fails because it's not the same editor. Kevin Grutter, this is the only film he didn't work on. So they just had some other guy try to like pretend that that's what was happening.

And it just fails miserably and it also makes it look a bit more juvenile. But it doesn't know what it is, right? It fits in the other saw movies because it knows it's juvenile. It's fucking gore torture porn. Right? It knows that it's stupid. This has no idea what it is.

And the soap opera. Yeah. Bring it back. There's a lot of things going on. Bring back the gore soap opera. Have characters rise from the fucking grave. Pull it Friday the 13th, part six. Have lightning strike the grave and just a fist come out of the fucking ground.

Okay? I don't care. Make jigsaw immortal. Just do whatever you can. Bring them back. Was torture porn really a term back then? I don't really think so. They might have wanted to steer away from making that like a popular franchise.

But, I mean, they didn't have to complete. completely remove the balls of saw and that's kind of what this is. It's just not interesting Yeah, you know, it's not even saw. Yeah, like yeah, the traps were the best part. It was fun It's funny. In the other saw films, there were like a shit ton of flashbacks because they killed the main character in the third movie. So obviously there had to be and there had to be a lot of explanations. In this film, there's a shit ton of flashbacks for literally no reason. Like, there's nothing really we gain from all those flashbacks. It's just wasting time.

And they go on for so fucking long. And it's like, oh, Sam Jackson, and he has a relationship with Chris Rock. And their acting just sucks. It really does. Like, they're not good in it. I don't believe their characters. Everything's just so stupid.

On flashbacks for so long, they probably just forgot they didn't actually need them in the movie. Yeah, and for a film that's trying to break away from the franchise and do its own thing in the universe. Like, fuck off. You have no understanding of, like, what you would need and not need for something to be different. You have no understanding of what you should be using.

It's just one of the most, one of the least self-aware movies I've ever seen my entire life, and it's absolutely fucking disgusting and horrendous. And I'll watch it again so I can make a fucking review on it because, holy fuck, this is, like, this is one of the most infuriating movies ever. And I've done every other saw a movie, so I guess I'm obligated.

But, yeah, we'll see what happens. with me trying to get better for my injuries. One out of ten. Fuck this movie. It's garbage. Piece of shit. Yeah. It is awful.

I didn't get quite as viscerally annoyed by it. I don't know why. I think I should have, really. But I was laughing at it because I just thought it was just such a bad concept. And it was so short, I just felt like, oh, okay, I guess that's over. It's like a wafer thin mint. It's just nothing. There's no substance.

You just forget about it the second it ends. I think it was a one star for me I was laughing at some of the traps there's basically nothing memorable but this roll in my eyes like crazy when every other word Sam Jackson says his motherfucker it's like really red a tease

yeah yeah that was so thrown in like just oh Sam Jackson just have him curse like yeah fuck I was waiting for it to go crazy I was waiting I was waiting for the soreness to come back in some way and it would have been cool if he was jigsaw then I would have been more with it I feel like it isn't really prematurely.

Yeah, yeah. But, no, one star, awful. I would give it a one star too. Do the letterbox rating. Yeah, so it's like, yeah, one out of five. Yeah. Not good. Not good.

Even by Saw standards. I like the rest of them, too. I just noticed another note in my fucking thing that made me so mad when I remembered it right now. It's like they didn't have the Saw music. and then they used it at the very end, not during the reveal, but after everything had already been revealed, which is the wrong way to use it if you're not going to use it properly. There's a single context in which that music has been used in every other film.

So to bring it back, the implication is that you're trying to recapture or at least provide some nostalgia for people for the other films. You don't even know how it was used? you're not a fan of the franchise. Darren Lynn Bousman, you're not a fan of the franchise, Chris Rock. If you are, that's embarrassing. It's fucking embarrassing.

You obviously didn't give a shit. Darren Lynn Bousman in interviews, he's saying like, oh, yeah, we actually had in the script we wrote insert trap here, and we came up with them at the end. So it's like they didn't matter. Yeah, he doesn't care.

There's no reason why he should have been there. They were just like, oh, who's directed saw movies? How did they even make it? People like the second and third one. Let's get him, because James 1 obviously wasn't going to do this shit, right? So they had to get fucking Darren Lynn Bazman, who obviously doesn't care about the franchise

and tries to downplay the ones he was involved in by saying, I was 25 when I made those. So you don't even give a shit. You don't care. Give it to somebody who cares. Fuck all of you. Yeah. That's really bad. It's stupid.

Yeah, from that perspective, that is making me more annoyed. Yeah. Lower your rating. Yeah. It's terrible. It's a terrible movie. Yeah. All right.

We saw Pixar's new one you say the title Ralphie you can do it better Luca Guadagino A film

It's served with like Un film by Pixar It's okay It was an okay movie Oh was it I didn't think it was a terrible movie like the other one I mean I didn't think it was as bad as Star Spiral

either Yeah It's kind of difficult Yeah You're a little more harsh on Luca, Adam? I don't know how you were. Let's spoil the shit out of it, I guess. I didn't like it very much.

Yeah, we can get into spoilers. It's been out a while, and it's a kid's movie. And also, nobody should care about the spoilers because it's a very predictable, boring plot anyway. Yeah, it's not one of Pixar's best. I would say it's not as good as Up or Ratatouille or any of the Toy Story movies, which I just rewatched. And I'm like, wow, those are amazing. Okay. And then, yeah, to watch Luca compared to that.

It's like, eh. It's very middle-link. I don't understand the fish part. Like, I, you know, there's like this whole kind of fish society underwater. And then they kind of go on the surface of this little town in Italy. And I'm like, okay, like, that doesn't, that's not that interesting. Like, you know, it's not that creative. I don't understand.

and then they have to win a bike race Yeah There's a lot of elements just thrown into this film That don't seem to match well with each other Yeah it was very weird A lot of gags with them happen to like You know blend in with this town But like a bunch of H2O would fly on them

Blocuts of water Like fucking I don't know They would start raining Like shit like that And it's like there's tons of gags like What happens when it's high humidity What happens? There's Water in the air, dumb fucks.

That's not my issue. Yeah. Yeah, the concept isn't the strongest. It's supposed to be like a love letter to Miyazaki. You can porto-horsos and whatnot. It's breezy. The stakes are kind of low. And, you know, it's playful and fun.

Right. But I don't know. When it does fall into, oh, we've got to do this race. And there's this villain who's like a adult version of the, well, he's like the kid of a, version of the villain from Ratatouille. I thought the character design was so similar with the faces. But you're saying the way they are kind of fish, and it's a literal fish out of water story.

Right. And it's like, okay. So that you have half this movie and you spend this time, yeah, you set up this world and Sash and Barra Cohen even comes in playing this. It's like, it seems like you might be like a villain character or something. with the independent eyes, the translucent body, maybe they're going to go to the deep at some point for like the low point in the movie. I don't know.

Why is this underwater? But then it just kind of walls down into this. It's the only thing that really gives the movie urgency. Yeah, exactly. And they didn't explore it more. I thought it would be more part of like the third act. They would have to go down there and they would be some kind of grander stakes.

But it was just that bike race. Yeah, so it's the concept. It's like he herds sheep. underwater. It's like, what? I was really into the look of when they were humans, when they were in Italy. And I wish the movie was just about three kids in Italy, and they didn't feel the need to show them a fancy element.

Exactly. That would have been a bold, like, different take for Pixar instead of having to rely on all the usual tricks they do. Because, to be honest, a lot of it didn't even feel that Pixar-y to me. It just kind of felt like a Disney 3D animated movie, because, you know, kind of. kind of forgettable is like wreck it Ralph with like the cart thing and just like the racing and his whole like motivation it's all about like he wants a vespur which you know represents freedom and escape he's he's already in the ocean which is like the most liberating freeing place imaginable

yeah i feel like it just doesn't really make sense to me wants more i want to go where the people lease. You know, this kind of went by the wayside when it came out. I was like, oh, Luca's out. When Corella came out, I had to pay $30 for that shit. This was free. Yeah, true. And I don't know if there's some deal or something, but, you know, it felt just kind of like an afterthought. And I don't know why, because, you know, I thought the character of Luca was fine and like, well, actually, I didn't really like the voice acting that much. Maybe I should take that back. I thought the lead kids, who was the lead in this? Fucking, uh, Jacob.

They could have gotten like two no-name Italian kids, and I think that would have been better. Yeah, Jacob Tremblay and Jack Dylan Grazer. Like, they were fine, but they could have just got like two random Italian kids. And I don't know. I don't know if Jacob has ever been like a good dadder. Like, Sasha Baron Cohen didn't even stand out to me. Yeah, because it's such a throwaway thing. Yeah, Jim Gaffigan.

Like, yeah. But no one really brought anything to it where I was like, wow, that was a great character. I actually like the fisherman dad Probably the best out of anyone in the movie Because they come across like this girl Who played the Is that Emma Berman? Played the

Yeah yeah Yeah Like I like that character just fine But they like come across her And they like go across And like to her like apartment I guess And she's like with her dad

And she cooks some spaghetti Like that was okay Like I like that stuff It was just like straightforward forward. Yeah, I don't know. Was it trying to be like, call me by your name? Apparently, that a lot of people think it was trying to be like that. And there's a lot of similarities. Muka Guadino, you just said his name. And so then people also try to say that this is like maybe a gay, symbolic movie, like an allegory. I guess you can tell you that way. I really just saw it as them,

they're friends. Like, I didn't see it that way. But I mean, like, if you want to see it that way, Apparently the director or somebody attached to the movie was asked to that and they were like, no. Yeah. Which, I mean, if it's Disney, they're probably going to say no anyway. So who really knows what it's trying to be? I don't know if it's trying to capitalize off of like, oh, it's like a metaphor for being gay and in the closet. People in town will find out who you are. Like, yeah, I think it's perfectly valid to interpret it that way.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I just think it's a boring as fuck movie. that doesn't serve any purpose. And all of the elements that come together to make this film don't fit with each other at all. They're just randomly thrown in. A lot of this is super, super fucking derivative. Like, there's how many elements that we're saying

that are just like, oh, this feels like another movie, this feels like this movie. That's what this movie is. It doesn't serve its own purpose. It doesn't justify its own existence. It's a nothing movie. It's just so fucking forgettable and boring. The humor.

I really feel like their humor has gone downhill so much. very hit or miss you were saying um ralph that you rewatching some of their classics and i've gone through a couple recently too and i'm just blind away by how genuinely funny they are they're clever they're witty very quotable this yeah lucas more it just feels like it's way more for kids for young kids uh-huh the elements of the story just didn't fit together right and i think that's my biggest problem even the emotional beats of the story that's what pixar's good at like they really get your heartstrings and here i guess lucas like a emotional turmoil is that he wants to go to school at some point. Yeah, what the fuck? And like, it just wasn't, it just wasn't resonating with me. Like, at the end of the movie, when he gets on the train and they're playing like that swelling music. I'm like, this didn't, it wasn't, it wasn't set up that well. Like, nothing was. It wasn't set up that well. Like, it was just like, in the middle of the movie, they're like, oh, instead of one of Vespa, I want to go to school. Like, fine. Okay. Literally fine. That's the end of the movie. It says fine. There was nothing early in the movie where I got like, maybe, maybe I was just missing out on it. This movie's too smart for me. but she should have just been more of a curious kind of person and I don't know

wanted to pursue education in that like sea world he was in and maybe he was shunned for some reason like there needs to be something else going on they were trying to do too many things at once and didn't properly explore any element it just didn't feel like it meshed well like they should have worked on the story a little more like maybe another few drafts of the script

like I'm not telling Pixar what to do but there was just like all these weird like why was it in Italy it just felt like okay Okay. Why were they fish people? Where they're like, they're like centered on a culture. Like, yeah, okay, here's the setting. What can we do with it?

And it's not about a story. It's not about telling a story. Even Coco fit better. Like, the day of the dead, like, that's actually a thing. Yeah. The skeletons and all that. I'm like, that was awesome. I like Coco better than this, I think.

Yeah, that's a good story. I don't hate this movie. What if instead of like being fish people, they were pasta people and they had to hide their spaghetties? Then that could have worked. Something like that. Yeah. How do you guys actually feel about the character designs when they are water fish monsters?

Because I didn't love them. Fucking boring. I didn't either. Normally it's something I can point out with Pixar and say that I really enjoy their character designs. That kind of thing. Yeah. Monsters Inc. Yeah.

Monsters Inc. Yeah. Yeah. All those monsters look amazing. Even Monsters University. Like you could look at any one of those monsters. And you're like, wow. Even though the movie's not great, at least I can.

admire the look of and the design of the monsters in this movie. Yeah. And this didn't really, yeah, I did not like the look of the fish people or even Toy Story, you know. I like the look of the Toy Story characters. Very iconic. What's funny is this is them clearly testing the waters for doing different kinds of character designs because everything always has the same sort of Pixar-y look to it, except this film where you can tell that there's like a bit of effort put into making this look distinct. And now they're probably not going to do that ever again because they're going to go like, well, nobody,

people didn't really like this one. So obviously this was the issue. They're going to do the same thing they did with Princess and the Frog, Disney dumb fucks. They're going to go, oh, nobody wants to watch 2D anymore. So, you know, it couldn't possibly be a story. They already didn't have faith in it. Just by releasing it this way.

Yeah. You know, just by not charging $30 for it. They didn't give it your good writers. They didn't give it a chance. Or your attention or your, you know, Clearly, this is a subpar story that you gave it. So, what were you expecting, really? You destined it to fail.

Well, that's kind of what the Lion King was, right? Weren't they putting all their bets on, like, another film? And then Lion King was kind of the one they didn't... Yeah, but the people making Lion King were actually fucking putting their heart and soul into it. We're actually passionate about it. Yeah. And that's more what Luca should have been. Like, they should have...

I don't know. There's just a lot of elements I feel didn't come together. Nothing. liked. Just explore a bit more. I want to know why he's so obsessed with not wanting to be a fish. You know? I thought they were going to do more with that. I thought they were going to do more with like the conflict of him having left. But then he comes back and it's like, oh, my, you know, my aunt did it and they're kind of mad at me, but we're cool. And there was like nothing really done with that. I was expecting so much more. And they just, nothing is properly developed.

And they have too many things that they're trying to do at once. And they just barely skim the surface. of what they could possibly write or explore with every single one of these situations or concepts or characters. And it's just like at the end you're left with nothing. There was nothing to attach myself onto. Nothing mattered. I didn't give a shit about the ending. I didn't give a shit about him going to school. I didn't give a shit about like the fucking bike race or the Vespa or the bully or like the parents or the train or like anything.

Like I was just like, wow, this was annoying. I don't care what happens to these characters. Please die. Please end. I wasn't thinking please die But it isn't Yeah it's just not interesting I'm shooting on the movie a lot

There's some things I like about it I guess we should get into I don't know Alex do you have anything That you liked about it I do I do like the The character design When they're humans

And the look of when they are on land Yeah I think that is really solid And could be the base of a fun movie I think all the Italy stuff looks great. I can do something. The animation's really great. Why are they even in Italy?

They didn't do anything. That is the thing, though, it does come back to that story. And I mean, normally these Pixar movies, when they get it right, they can play me like a fiddle. But I didn't really feel anything from this movie, apart from just ogling the animation. You know, that's like what they are with these kind of movies. I liked it more than onward. I'd put it above onward. But it's kind of that tier of Pixar movie for me where it's just like, yeah, the concept isn't that strong.

The characters are kind of weak, super forgettable, doesn't really ring like a Pixar movie used to. Yeah. Again, like, I just, there's nothing that rings out of my mind about this. Like, when it finished and reading that it is trying to channel this Miyazaki kind of energy, you can really see it like in the shape of the mouths and the design of the cat and the, like, the design of the cat and the. parents and stuff. It is in there, but it's not a Miyazaki movie, and I saw on your Twitter, Adam, you recommended that article

that made me laugh, like, implying that, oh, have they nailed the formula better than Miyazaki? And it's like, please, that's such a ridiculous concept. You're not to Miyazaki better than Miyazaki. Like, this is as good as spirited away. No,

it's not. It is kind of a letdown. It's not as bad as the good dinosaur. Not as bad as the guy Which I also recently watched Oh It's not like that I thought the character designs were very endearing

I enjoyed the look in the movie just fine Except when they were fish I thought all that was unnecessary Well I guess it is necessary for the story It needed to be integrated better into the story I don't know if it is necessary for the story Yeah you can still have a movie about like a cart race You gotta make it for kids

You can't just have them in Italy It feels like a short or something that's been extended. Like Pixar can't make a movie about like an African-American music teacher. You has to have the fucking inside out souls, you know? Like they would never make like a grounded film, you know. It feels like that's the formula and that's the part of the formula that's not really working for me is like this other mystical element.

Yeah. And it clearly didn't need to be there. Because it always feels shoehorned in. Yeah. Like there's some executive going, okay, well, where's the part where they become like a cute thing. Yeah. Like a cute blob with a big eyes and a smile.

They clearly ride or die just on the story, the concepts they pick. Because it's like the same problem with cars, isn't it? Where just the concept is so dumb and bad. It almost defeats it before you even get into the story. What if cars were alive? Yeah. I get the appealing to the kids' fantasy. Like, you know, kids love cars, kids love monsters, kids love superheroes.

But yeah, just like, they're living cars. There should have been something a little more clever. I always thought they could have made like a really good racing movie with just like a, you know, about humans and they drive cars. Oh. Maybe the cars can be personified in some way. But yeah, like, you know, there's these living cars. And I guess it sells toys great, but it just doesn't work as a story as well. Like the fucking Tollmator character, whatever.

Yeah, I would prefer this to cars too. Yeah, but they had no faith in Luke. Even though Luca is definitely better than some of the other things they've put more faith into Like the live action line king Like I would much rather show someone this Like this is like at least fun and this is less Lighthearted well animated more passion the Miyazaki thing It at least is trying to be inspired by something like with passion behind it and that's good

It's not inspired by crap It was just mainly the emotional beats were not as strong as I expect from a Pixar movie, but maybe I'm not the audience for this kind of thing anymore. You know, I've been watching every Pixar movie for like how long since I was a kid? And it's like maybe, yeah, it is my fault. Maybe it's just time to move on. Like these kids are just movies for those stupid kids. I think they could be tried.

That's, no, I think that. And then I like go and watch The Incredibles and like, hang on a minute. Well, yeah, that's what, like, Toy Story's masterpiece. A person who didn't grow up with those older films would still like them more. Yeah, I love Toy Story. That might be one of the best series. I think it is the best series of movies ever because it makes me reconnect with my childhood. Like, yeah, these toys are a metaphor for Andy, you know, coming to terms with his childhood and whatever and losing it.

It's much more interesting than anything going on here. Luca. I don't know. I actually liked Onward better because Onward actually. I enjoyed for like I don't know less than half of it Onward fell apart in the second half I was like onward was fine in the first half I was like oh this is you know Well how about cars too? I don't remember if I saw cars too Tokyo

Remember that? No It's like a Crosabi just that alone makes like a spy movie It's a spy movie oh yeah like that was stupid as hell why make it a spy movie So I mean they could have been a series of really good just racing movies like Rocky or something with boxing but they're just fucking stupid and then they went off the realm

planes like that's when they went really a movie that's like cars too or something I can I can look at that and be like that's not for me this is for children who really love cars or something but I look at a movie like Luca I'm like who's this for

like you're not going to get like some super fans of Luca even if they're children, right? You might get some kids that enjoy it because it's on right now and then forget about it later, but you're not going to have this, like, they're not going to sell Luca toys, like they sell Cars toys, you know? Like, nobody's going to buy a Luca toy. Right, that's the sad thing. Like, this is just so disposable. This is a better movie than Cars, but Cars sells more merchandise because it's just that, I guess, cars, you know, kids can play with the cars. They like that more. Toy Story sells well, obviously, because it's a bunch of toys.

Monsters Thinks sells well. I don't know They're also characters You can't you can't do up toys Anyone want a Carl toy Or a Russell toy Yeah They go the dog

Yeah Yeah you can have the dog Those movies were just so much better They were so interesting Uh Three out of ten for me It's fucking pointless

Damn I was thinking more three out of five Oh great Like the letterbox rating Yeah I shit on a lot. It's fine. It's a fine movie.

Slightly above fine, because the animation's cute. I'm pretty much in line with you, Ralph. I think it might be slightly lower. I do have it rated as a three star out of five, or I might bump it down to two and a half. But I think I have onward just two and a half, so I'd have to put that slightly lower, I think. I have to watch Onward.

I tried, I fell asleep. Well, that's the thing, like the idea of re-watching Onward and Luca to figure out which one I prefer. is such a good double feature. I'm just never going to do that. So, yeah, itself kind of speaks.

I just, I want to see something better from Pixar than this. I want to see them push, push it a bit more, do something with the characters you haven't, you haven't seen before, don't rely on these formulas as heavily, you know,

like if, if you want to make a Miyazaki type movie, like really truly embrace that idea and give us something on the level instead of the kind of half-assed, bit wreck it Ralph, bit Miyazaki, bit,

Finding Nemo? I don't know. It's just a mess of a mermaid. That doesn't come together for me. Yeah, a little mermaid. Yeah, finding Nemo, yeah.

Oh, and you be a human. Bit of call me by your name. Do anything. Yeah, fucking. He's just like on land and then learns how to walk and then it's fine. It's cute, I guess.

It is cute. It wasn't. The animation's nice. It wasn't even cute. Nice water animation. Water droplets. I don't even know. Oh, yeah.

Couldn't even tell you. Yeah, they've got that stuff nailed down. Their movies look really good. The lighting and like the hair and all that stuff. I was never taken aback by any of the animation. Even Toy Story 4, I was like, okay, these are the shots where you're just showing off. Like, where it was like in the rain or whatever. Like Toy Story, like, holy crap.

I was like, you're just showing off. I was never going to see that film. You saw that recently, didn't you? Yeah, I was never going to see it because I was so connected to that third one. But eventually I'm just like, yeah, let me give it up. Yeah. The animation looks much better in that than Luca. It is.

There's the animation on those, like, kind of puppet dolls. And that looked really good. They're kind of the antagonist of the movie. But that's like their main IP. So they put all their resources and best animators and best writers on them. Yeah. Toy Story 4 looks great, for sure. When you go back to Toy Story 1, Woody looks fucking crazy.

The humans look pretty wacky. Yeah, the humans look wacky, but, like, Toy Story, I mean, Woody, it's just like, when he's laughing, he looks like a crazed madman. It works fine. It works for that movie. That's the only thing. Toy Story 2 looks much better. Toy Story 3 looks good.

4 looks so good. It made me think like, Toy Story doesn't even need to be a animated movie. It could just be live action. Oh, did John Fabrow treatment? Get them on board. That's what they could do. And that's probably what they will do at some point.

Film it like a documentary. But that's how good. I mean, I'm trying to give credit to the animators. It looked so good. Like, the animation on Woody, like, compared to the first one when, like, Woody was holding the door closed, when, like, a dog was, like, attacking him. Like, it's not realistic at all because, like, Woody, he's, like, made a felt. Like, he would have no weight on him. But, like, in Toy Story 4, he moved, like, like, you know, kind of the material he was made out of.

His arms would swing a certain way. And it was a lot of, like, really good attention to detail, shit like that. Yeah. The animation's always great. Like, I like watching the movies just for that. You know, they clearly put a lot of thought in an attitude. stuff. I just wish they would put more thought into like the story in this. The animation is usually the best part. I guess right from the get-go they're like Luca, this is like a half-assed idea,

this is dump it on Disney Plus and they put no faith into it and it could have been something much better because there is potential here and I like the idea of making a Pixar movie in Italy. It's just like, why are there mermaids, what a bike race? Like, okay. The drama aspect, I guess making it more grounded is fun. The timeline of Pixar films. Yeah. The animation. gets better and the story gets worse Kind of. Just about. Why couldn't it just be a straightforward drama

Just about Italy? Yeah, just humans. No fishes. It's just humans. Why can't they just make Cars 4 and set it in Italy? I mean, you joke, we'll probably get that. They make the money.

I'm not going to tell them what to do. There is a recommendation of a film from Ralph. Oh, yeah, we're up to this. Why? Yeah. Let's do it.

It was a movie. It's a movie I recommended. Spoilers. Yeah. For a movie, almost famous from the year 2000, directed by Cameron Crow.

I don't think I've ever seen anything of Cameron Crow. Like anything else. Okay. Vanilla Sky. Oh, Vanilla Sky. I've seen Vanilla Sky. That's it.

He's got some classics, I guess. But although I think this is the only one I've seen, actually. I'm very aware. very aware of his other films and what they are. I haven't seen Aloha. Oh, I don't really know much about that one.

That one's not so good. That one kind of got bad reviews. Did you watch the theatrical or director's cut for this film? For this movie? For like this recording? I think I watched the director's cut. Okay. I think so.

Yeah. And did you watch the theatrical or directors before? No, I accidentally watched the extended version. Accidentally. myself. Yeah, I realized about an hour and 45 minutes in. It's like, this should be wrapping up about now, but this doesn't feel like it's even close to wrapping up. Then I looked at the timeline and there was like an hour left. Yeah. I did check the differences though on the Amazon Prime one after. The theatrical one is just two hours. Yeah, yeah, I would have preferred that one, I think.

Yeah, the director's cuts two hours, 42. It's a pretty big difference. What were the different scenes? Because I read on Reddit or something that the director's cut helps to more thoroughly explore things closer to the beginning of the film. Like there's more of like the younger version or something. Am I correct? It's just more of all of it.

There's just more expansion on everything. Yeah, there's more of all of it. I mean, I could even tell you. As someone who's never seen it before, there were definitely scenes. I can feel like, yeah, this is like the extended versions. Sure. Scene, if you know what I mean. It definitely makes it feel a long.

And it's a very character-driven movie, so I don't even, I like those extended scenes. But I think for the first viewing, maybe theatrical cut, it might be better. So this is a long movie. This is my second viewing, but I don't know what I watched on my first, and it was a while ago. It was like 15 years ago or something. The first time I watched the film, I didn't connect to. it super well. The most that I remembered

about it was how much I did not like Patrick Fuget's acting. I'm not a big fan of his performance. Not because he's like terrible. He's not like the worst actor ever. Every other actor around him is just so more competent than he is and he's

clearly the weakest link but he's also the main character. And then during pivotal moments of the film where you know, he's supposed to having this serious emoting where there's like conflict and he's arguing with Kate Hudson or whatever. I don't buy it at all. And there's so many moments where I just don't buy what he's selling. And so when I watched it, when I rewatched it this time, I watched the extended cut. I started watching it and during these flashback sequences when there's the younger version of himself played by I forget who, somebody else.

I was fucking loving it. And I love friends. I love the characters and I like I thought that kid that younger version was actually really great yeah he was so much better and I was like anticipating this revival of an experience of like oh maybe I was just like 15 years old and I didn't like it or something and although I give the movie a positive rating and I still think it's like a good movie I didn't connect with the majority of it for a lot of the same reasons I really don't like Patrick Fuggett I think his acting kind of fucking suck. And it's pretty evident in this movie. Otherwise, it's like a

good story. It's not poorly made, but that and then I can't the cinematography, I can't even say anything about it because it's just so non-existent. I thought it looked great. I think it looks good. I definitely seriously about Patrick Fuget though. Yeah, he's definitely

the weakest actor out of all. I thought it was fine. Yeah, he's just the youngest. You know, he's very young in the movie. He's the youngest actor. Except for the younger version of himself. That's even better. Yeah. Except the youngest version, yeah.

It was most highlighted to me during the I Am Dark and Mysterious and Pissed-off kind of breakdown he has later on. Yeah. That missed the emotion for me. I never took him seriously, though. I never took him that seriously. Maybe that was good for his character. I thought he was fine for the most part.

He's surrounded by a lot of really good actors. I think that's what makes up for it. Yeah. His role in the story brings out interesting things because of being in the press and what that means. And he needs to be the main character. That kind of like outsider perspective. He goes on the most interesting journey, I guess, out of anyone, from idolizing these guys who are like in this band that he loves to kind of just, you know, really criticizing them publicly in a paper. That's what he does at the end of the movie.

Yeah, so it is kind of a transformation. I think there's a lot of good character work in this movie. I think that's mainly what it's about. And that's why that directors cut so much longer. I've seen it with people who like, I've shown them the director's cut for the first time, and they think it's too long. So maybe that the actual cuts better.

I forgot which one I saw the first time. I like the director's cut just fine, though. I don't know if it would be the fact that it's the director's cut for me. I don't know what I watched on the first time. I just, I think that regardless of, how quickly we got from point A to point B in the story. There were just Patrick Fuget. I just don't like him.

He's really annoying. Yeah. No surprise he didn't have like a long and fruitful career after, you know. Like he was in wrist cutters and then nothing important. Hey, he could have just went off acting because he didn't want to do it anymore. I mean. I think it's a great credit, I think, almost famous. It's a really good movie to be in.

Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't until Philip Seymour Hoffman showed up for me, though, that the movie kind of got a bit more grunt to it, because he represents kind of the other side of the scale where he's like, remember, these guys, they're going to whine and dine you and try and get you to behave a certain way to, you know, get to use you. It's kind of like a theme of the movie. People were using each other and fucking each other over for this idea of fame and wanting the cover of a magazine. And the power dynamics that come out from that is the most interesting thing to me. but it was the execution of it, I guess I was finding frustrating in terms of what the actual drama was being derived from. The love triangles, the band falling out the kind of corny stuff you expect.

I was not expecting the level of cornyness. This movie kind of doubles down on. I think it works. I don't have a problem with a little bit of corals. Yeah, I was enjoying more when it was exploring just the nature of the art versus the, the critic and and this idea of the fan base and fandoms and what it really means to appreciate you know because it's part of the movie where the there's like the true fans kind of like gatekeeping each other about like yes it's not just about the fame it's about the music everybody and

you know it's kind of this corny idea that goes through the movie or it's like yeah it's about being real and the music and kind of making fun yeah be real yeah it's like making fun of that whole kind of culture that comes with that you know the sex drugs and rock and ball and everything for sure i guess that's another part of it too i mean the whole 60s 70s it's a 70s period piece obviously the Rolling stone magazine led zeppelin rock scene if if you're really into that whole thing yeah it's based on all that stuff like pretty accurate to those kind of bands and you know they would fight and the same kind of conflict these guys get into apparently cameron crow was like a young writer for a rock magazine yeah it's semi biographical yeah it is partly autobiographical a lot of made-up

stuff but you know yeah there's a lot of truth to it I mean those characters of like the band they're they're likeable I think but they've got a lot of conflict too I think they've got some flaws they make them not so likable that's what made them interesting characters I guess we'll get into it every character is interesting except the main character to me well a huge part of the drama for the story too that I thought was actually interesting was Francis McDormit's character plays his mother and she's kind of like losing her son her son's kind of growing up and wanting to hang out with these people who... She's quite overbearing, yeah.

Yeah, but she's being overbearing because she's kind of... I mean, I would kind of be, too, if... She's scared for him, yeah. Yeah, she's scared for her son because these guys are kind of not so trustworthy. I mean, the sex, drugs and rock and roll, like, that kind of lifestyle. That's not really what she's about. You know, she's a very kind of strict mother, you know, and she's so overbearing that even Zoe Deschidel's character who plays like the sister of Patrick Fuget, like, ran off and became a stewardess.

But, you know, she cares for her son. And it's partly about, like, her watching her son grow up and kind of go into a dangerous world. You know, I thought all that stuff was very resonant. I liked that stuff with Patrick Fuget. I thought all that stuff was good. I thought the phone calls with her, with his mom, were pretty funny. Yeah. There's usually something going wrong.

Yeah. Someone in the background yelling something. Or she would call and, like, oh, are you the pot girl? Like, you could have delivered drugs? Yeah, there's a lot of funny stuff like that. I think Francis McDorwood is really great in this. I enjoyed those moments despite Patrick Fuget, not because of him. Despite him.

Yeah. No, he really doesn't help any scene in the movie. He really, he's like not quite as bad as, like, Lucas Hedges, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think he's bad as Lucas. Yeah. No, sorry, I think he's much worse than Lucas, I meant to say. Oh, yeah?

Yeah, I don't know what it was, because I really noticed this too. I felt like I was watching his direction or something. You never see the character. You see an actor. Yeah, I wasn't connecting with him either, which, yeah, is a problem. He is the lens in which you see the story unfold. I was finding it funny, though, how they kind of subvert the manic pixie dream girl, Zoe Deschanel with this sub-room with Kate Hudson instead.

I was looking at R.MD. And I was like, oh, my God. I forgot she was in music. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, she's in music? Yeah, that's really funny. Yeah, that's really funny.

Yeah, wacky. But I enjoyed her character in the movie. Yeah. She's really solid in this. Penny Lane. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of attitude. Yeah.

These rock and roll guys have, like, groupies with them, the band. And that's like what Kate Hudson is. Anna Payquin's one of them. Mm-hmm. Sapphire. I don't know who that is. Yeah, but like, and that was a huge part of the movie too. Like these guys, they were bringing around these like younger girls with them and they were kind of emotionally abusive.

That's a lot of movies. I'm like, oh yeah, it's cool to explore. Yeah, the main character brings that up, doesn't he? Yeah. I meant that's something he saw. Yeah, you're being used or whatever. Yeah, I mean, they were in these really abusive relationships. I mean, because they were idolizing these guys because they were rock and rollers or whatever.

And, you know, they were given these girls tons of drugs. Like, and they've taken them across the country, like, away from their homes. Like, it was crazy. But, you know, you also do like them, too, because they have this camaraderie and they're kind of funny. And the actors are quite likable. I think Billy Crutt up's great. You know, Jason Lee is it excellent in the movie? Yeah, Jason Lee stood out to me as being genuinely funny.

Yeah. I thought they were awesome. Like, you know. Yeah, apparently this is on a lot of best. movies of all time lists. Yeah, people love this shit. And I think it's that band camaraderie. I think it's mainly them.

And that's a huge part of the movies, Billy Crot up and Jason Lee. Their conflict, they fight a lot. They fight over bullshit like bands do, I guess. You know, you see their kind of deterioration, but they're also friends. Like, I love the scene where they're fighting over the

T-shirt. Like, that's such bullshit. Yeah, that's a good scene. Yeah, like it's awesome. And they're just like, you know, they're arguing over nonsense. Like, yeah, your looks, you're ruining you. Whatever he said. It's like, like nonsense. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm wondering, because like, it's not a movie that I feel like offended by watching it. And I think that overall it's like really solid and like really well made. But it's super solid. I don't know how much I'm retaining from it. Because right now, like, I do have some notes, but like I don't really have like a full timeline of like the film in my head in a way that like movies. I connect with, I do. You know?

Because a lot of it just kind of blends into itself for me. You know, there's the elements like the mother being overprotective and Francis McDormand's great. But at a certain point, it does kind of get like pretty repetitive where it's like just kind of, it's the same scene happening again. And I don't know if that's just because it's the director's cut or how many of those same beats were in the theatrical version. But yeah, in terms of like a culmination of events, I don't, I don't really get the

same energy that I would from other films that I love. It feels like kind of when things are getting towards the end, then there's like the ticking time bomb of like, I need this interview so I can do this for the story. And then things start to like pick up again. But it seems like for a lot of the movie, it's kind of just like they're on tour. And if you love the environment and you love the characters and you love, you know, the setting, like the classic rock and like the energy to it, I can see why like, So many people love this movie, obviously.

But I guess I'm just not as attached to that innately. I don't know. Yeah, the tour is a huge part of the movie. Like, not the first hour, but like after the first hour, basically. I don't know if it's different in the other cut in the theatrical one. But once he gets that tour, I think that's the rest of the movie, basically. Yeah, the tour is a huge part of it. So if you don't like that stuff.

Yeah, they got some good humor of the different interviews with those. Yeah, I thought this film was the movie. It was really funny. I like when they go on the radio interview. Like that's really what drove at home for me, too, was the comedy. I thought it was a fucking very funny film. Yeah, I agree. The humor's the thing I remember most because the drama really didn't connect particularly with me.

And I thought everyone delivered in that way. Even like Kate Hudson and Patrick Fugger, like they would make me laugh. The scenes were he was on the phone with his mom. I liked the airplane scene. Oh, yeah, the airplane scene. We got to talk about that. That's probably the best scene in the movie. Yeah, that was the most iconic.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. His, one of the band members, what the hell is his name? I'm trying to remember the name of the character, at least. The quiet one? The one that keeps saying, I'm just the bass player. Yeah, Hudson. He yells, I'm gay! Like, as the plane is crashing, it's like their last moment, before they're about to

fucking dies, they're all confessed shit to each other. That was fucking hysterical. And then, yeah, like, immediately after, I think the plane stabilizes, right? Yeah. We're going to live. Back to normal. Yeah, that was awesome. Like, that's such a fucking great scene.

And the fact that he doesn't say anything like the rest of the movie. Like, I think it was just a joke. Like, I think it's just funny. I don't know. There's a lot of great fucking jokes in this. And it's because I like those characters, I think. I think the dynamic between them is usually really solid, especially Jason Lee, Billy Crutt up.

I always loved the movie whenever they were on. Yeah. I like Jason Lee a lot. Jason, me in particular. like when he has to when he's pining for he wants the cover of rolling stone and then later on when he actually is in the magazine he's like complaining about how much of a dicky sounds that was like a good payoff like fun estimation of of the whole idea yeah he's never happy like he's never happy with the t-shirts he's like oh you're the i'm supposed to be the guy with mystique yeah yeah

i guess i guess part of why i didn't connect too it is going back to that main character and where certain story beats sort of culminate like when uh that character nearly dies from quailude overdosing and then he's like confesses his love to her and sexually assaults her while she's unconscious yeah fucking what little rapy and also like let's let's gender swap for the some other scenes in the movie where like he loses his virginity he's 15 years old to a bunch of like groupies or something just imagine like fucking pre-old dudes and like a 15 year old girl around Like, that's a little weird. Yeah.

But, I mean, it's like, I guess it's like supposed to just be like a part of like 70s rock culture sort of thing. I don't know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, true. But, and also, I don't know. And even going back to the title almost famous, this kid kind of idolizing these guys, he wants to be a rock and roller and be part of that crowd. But he's kind of a little too late. That period of, you know, the world is over.

You know, those guys didn't really shine by the time he got to that age. Yeah, I think that's a huge part of the movie, these young kids who never got to experience that. And I think there's a lot of good themes in the movie that I resonate with like that. Or just quotes, you know, like the quote, the popular stuff is the best stuff. Like, I love that quote. I think that's true in a lot of ways, or at least it's interesting to talk about. It gets people talking because he makes the argument like, yeah, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones. Like, those are the best bands of all time.

And we talked about great movies here, like, you know, The Godfather and whatever. Like, The Godfather, I think, is the greatest movie or, like, Taxi Driver 2001. That's not an uncontroversial answer. That's, like, the popular stuff is the best stuff, usually. I like that quote. I think just that alone makes the movie interesting. I think there's less of this film like that. It's cool you get the other side of the aisle as well, the kind of cynical side that you get from Seymour Hoffman, where he's saying it's like the industry cool and buying respectability and this kind of stuff.

I do like that you get the whole broad kind of It is very broad Every part of it has a Has someone that represents each section of it Yeah the idea of trying to be cool Yeah I like that Because he is he is 15

He has no idea what his places And he is whipped out With his comfort zone It just has no idea what he's doing And it's so fake the world he's in When he comes out And he's like yeah I I knew I wasn't cool

But they were kind of making me think I was cool these concepts I do enjoy the themes I do enjoy it's just I don't know it's just not for me I don't know what else I can say it's one of those movies I've always avoid I've got to admit I've always avoided Cameron Crow yeah because I've watched you didn't like vanilla yeah I've watched a bit of Jerry McGuire watched a bit of Vanilla Sky and I just knew I just got the vibe of him these he doesn't make movies for me they're really just not what I'm looking for they're very sentimental

yeah they're very light yeah maybe it's that but I think the fact that they're comedies too makes up for it Yeah, like they're dramas, but they're very funny and light. And, you know, those characters are very likable. He usually gets good actors that at least, you know, American audiences now and like, Jimmy Fallon is in the movie. I want to talk about him. Yeah, yeah.

Because he kind of shows up out of nowhere, like, toward the end. Who is he kind of distracting? But Dennis Hope, he's like, the manager that comes in. Oh. For like the big record label, I guess. Yeah, guys. Yeah, I'm going to give you the... I was expecting to see him.

Yeah, but I thought he was pretty good. Yeah, it wasn't distracting if his character was fine. Yeah. If you think Mc Jagger will be out there trying to be a rock star at the edge of 50, you're a sadly, sadly mistaken. Like, he's got good lines. Yeah. Loads of comedic, like, uh, cameos, like, Raymond Wilson's in there,

a really young Jay Barichel. But how, were, were they even really cameos in that year, though? They were just actors in smaller roles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. They weren't recognizable enough in the year 2000 to be cameos. Maybe a day. No, later. Hickup.

Later, we're getting famous. Like, one of the gay dads from modern family. Oh, yeah? Really small role. Yeah, there's just a lot of comedic actors just hidden in this. Good casting agency. Mm-hmm. For sure, yeah.

A lot of good actors in this. They elevate it a lot. Except I'll give you Mr. whoever, Miller, William Miller. That's his name. I'm trying to think, because there's nothing wrong with a sentimental light film, and that's a very good way to describe it. I agree with you completely. Yeah, I think this is a great example of one of those kinds of movies.

Yeah. That's sentimental and light, but it's also very intelligent, and there's a lot going on. I'm trying to think of, like, sentimental and light films that I really connect with, because I walk away from a lot of them being like, that was good. And then kind of just, like, not really pursuing them any further. Like, Noah Bomback films, I enjoy a bit more. Yeah. Like, those are a little sentimental and light. Wes Anderson, like, where there's, like, a bit more personality and, like, a hint of edginess, a bit more edginess to them.

I don't know. Yeah. But this, this, maybe it's just because this feels like a bit more of, like, a, like, studio production sort of thing. Like, it has that personality to it. Yeah, this feels more broad than that. Like, I probably don't connect with sentimental light films that fall into that category as much. And I love the beginning. And I was really loving things near the end aside from the running.

plain trope thing. Oh, yeah, the airport goodbye. But yeah, like, what was happening near the end? I like that scene. Particularly near the beginning. Like, I loved the whole younger version of the main character. Like, I would totally watch, like, an entire movie of that. And then it transforms into dweeb Patrick Fuget character, just being annoying.

And other people around him seem to like him for some reason. And there's this gigantic blur. in my memory of like what happened there. It's like, yeah, I remember the, I remember the guy jumping into the pool and saying, I'm on drugs. That was funny. I remember the T-shirt argument. But the movie was much longer than that. So what else was there?

I don't remember, you know? It's just, it doesn't connect with me as much. Good movie, just not really for me. You mentioned the running in the airport thing. Yeah. Which, yeah, that was very corny to me. but earlier on in the movie there is a really good someone running by the bus and then they crash into the wall with perfect timing that was like the funniest shot to me probably yeah it was all in a one or two

that that could have looked really bad that could have like like scary movie five quality if they did a cut oh yeah yeah you know but the fact that it was a lot of the timing if she crashes into that wall and that worked well for sure what did you guys think of the music in this film how much of it was a, because this was a lot of like a playlist, this was like compilation music, right? Yeah, like there wasn't really much that was, it composed for this, was there? No, I don't think so. But then there's scenes where the band is just playing on stage. Yeah.

I don't know if that was composed for the movie, actually. Yeah, I have no idea, actually. Just like, you know, they took someone else's songs, but, you know, I thought they were at least good at faking it. Yeah, so. It was pretty convincing, like, it looked like they had a real crowd there. It won the, uh, grand. Grammy for Best Compilation soundtrack album for a motion picture.

Yeah, just because the music they picked. Yeah, I can see that. It's a good era for that music, right? I think that's part of the appeal of the movie. Yeah. Like, it's got a good soundtrack. Especially for, like, fans of classic rock. Captures that period really well with the music and the setting,

like the props and everything. Costumes. Yeah, the film features over 50 songs. Yeah. It's almost half as much as Corella. Yeah, I don't know. I was finding when you have that many songs playing, I don't really associate memories with many moments as much.

There's a couple that Elton John one sticks out of my mind. You're hearing a new song so often. I feel like it's less impactful. I'm not unfamiliar with it, but I haven't listened to a lot of these artists as much, so it doesn't like, I don't listen to the soundtrack a lot. That Goodfellow soundtrack I listen in it. Yeah.

I just know there's a certain type of person this film would really connect with. Yeah, definitely. It's not me. I might not be that 100% because I'm not connected to that era of music as much. But he's got a lot of really solid characters. It makes me want to get into that era more. I mean, there's some good music. Yeah, absolutely.

There's some really great classic rock. And this is about the end of that era. It's very sad. It's about a lot. About the end of his child. childhood or whatever have like a journey of self-discovery yeah coming of age a journey of first mother of letting go of her kids or at least like not being as self-controlling like that love story of Kate Hawson Billy Crott off a question

what is rock and movie sure yeah the struggling with fame and money and success and drugs women there's like a million things going on it's like wow it's such an epic film corporate interest together with like really funny scenes journalism It's a good comedy. Well, I guess the journalism angle's there because, well, it's accurate to his real life. It makes the dynamic more complicated. Yeah, he wants to learn about them. He needs to learn more information about these people for practical reason.

They keep calling each other the enemy, don't they? They keep addressing. Oh, I'm getting too, like, attached to you know. Yeah, exactly. It's a very, very critically acclaimed movie. It's on a bunch of best movies of all times. time lists. So Alex and I are in the minority here for sure.

Yeah, I looked up the metastore and saw it got a 90 there, very high. I'm glad he even enjoyed it. I called it the best film of the year and the ninth best film of the 2000s as a decade, I guess. Whoa. Yeah. So a lot of people really love it.

I'd be curious to read. Leave in the comments. If you really love it, I want to see, you know. All right, well, would you give this film out of 10 if we don't have anything else to say about it or we continue. I don't know. I don't know.

One at the Academy Awards, he said I got acclaim. I think I won best, yeah, won best original screenplay from Cameron Crow. And it was nominated for Best Actress for Francis McDormant. Kate Hudson was nominated. She has enough. Editing. So that's good. I mean, I don't know.

I don't think it's trying to be like, I guess it is trying to be deep, but I like the tone of it. I don't feel like it's trying to be anything it isn't. Yeah. I think it nails exactly the tone. Don't let us influence your rating. If you want to give it a 10 out of 10 that's totally. No, no.

Some people love this movie. Think it's like one of the greatest movies of all time. So, yeah. I don't know if Billy Cruttup is enough. Oh, not Billy Crutup. Patrick Fuck It. Yeah, Patrick Fuck It. I don't know if Patrick Fuckett's performance is as bad to like lower the rating for me.

That's the thing. I mean, five out of five. I think it's, I think I agree with everyone else. It deserves that list. Like, it deserves that spot on the list of best movies. Yeah. I don't know. Do you think he's that bad?

Well, here's the thing is that I don't see a movie that I'm like super into. And then I look at Patrick Fuget's performance and then I think I have to lower the rating. It's that the rating doesn't get high in the first place. Yeah, he didn't really take me out of it at all. It prevents me from connecting to parts in the film that I would otherwise. And even with that, you know, it's not like the only thing that I'm not connecting to, but I think it is a gigantic part of it. And sometimes there is just like one element that really prevents you from getting sucked into it. Because films are a collection of different elements.

And if there's one thing, you know, if there's one thing that's preventing you from feeling the illusion of the story or feeling like the characters being sincere, then that can be like pretty detrimental. And I think that's what happened to me for the most part. But yeah, I would still say it's a good movie. It's well made. There's a lot to appreciate about it. But, you know, factoring in the technical elements as well as my own personal feelings about the film and how much I connected to it, I'm giving this one a six out of ten. Ooh. Yeah.

Patrick's pretty much. Sorry, he was 18 at the time. From my first viewing, yeah, I was really trying. to connect but I yeah it was that main character it was I did admittedly watch the one that was too long but I could see within that it's just not the movie for me it's not the it's not the setting for me it's not it has the themes for me but the way it's kind of it seems to prioritize the more sentimental emotional side of it and I don't know that it just didn't work for me on that level yeah I like the 70s aesthetic I do agree it's it's a very well-made movie I had no problems with the

the technical side of it in that regard. But yeah, as far as my enjoyment goes, I got to admit it was kind of bored when, in certain segments of the movie where I wasn't getting my Jason Lees, my Seymour Hoffman's or Penny Lane type characters. But yeah, it is, it does have that, it does have your Francis McDormons and Anna Pacquins. Like it has a really good cast,

a really good set of ideas and a great backbone of a story. But, yeah, that execution did. didn't connect with me. Three-star. Yeah. Five out of five, motherfucker. Own it. What do you think in the comments section?

Yeah, just to earn it. Well, yeah. A lot of people think that. Yeah. It's all right. That's almost famous. Ladies and John. Then whatever.

That was almost famous. Directed by... The best stuff is the popular stuff. Is the best stuff the popular stuff? You decide. Do you think? think so? Me?

Well, I mean, I'm not exactly. Avengers Endgame. No. Transforms? I would not say that I connect, resonate with that quote as much as you. I think all of, most of my favorite movies and most of my favorite bands that I listen to are not typically the most popular things of all time. There's some cases where it overlaps. You know, I love early M&M.

That one like rap album of the year like three times in a row. for his career or whatever. You know, Birdman won the best picture. I try not to be like, oh, if it's popular, I can, I try not to be like, oh, if it's popular,

then it sucks. Yeah, it's not a good reason on its own. Yeah, sometimes it's something's popular. Then there's sometimes there's, you know, shit. Like, it's just garbage, but you get Jurassic World or whatever.

Oh, good. But I guess that's, you know, but sometimes you can get like a art film that's, you know, really bad. Like, something that's not popular and watch it. Yeah. I feel like you have that same experience.

Like, you could say the same thing. Like, if it's obscure, that probably means it's fucking boring, or it has a bunch of weird shit that I'm not going to like. And that's like the other side of the coin. Well, that's, okay. That's why if I'm watching a film, the most important factor to consider whether or not I think I'm going to like it would just be the director.

Doesn't matter if the director makes popular movies or movies that nobody's ever heard of. If I like the other movies from the director, that's going to be the best gauge. as to whether or not I'm going to enjoy something. Yeah, I'm with you. Before we get into question time, I would like to issue maybe a correction, I guess.

There was a comment that disputed the claim that I made that Darren Aronovsky bought the rights to perfect blue before making a Requiem for a Dream. Apparently, that originates from an interview that he had with like a Japanese magazine or something. and within the interview he was at the point in time in the process of trying to get

the American distribution rights and so the magazine reported it that way but after the magazine was published it turns out that he didn't wasn't able to but he still made the attempt does that mean that he ripped off perfect blue I don't really you know you could say he ripped off a shot I guess

but is that really gonna It's not like why people love Requiem for a dream, so Anyway, but yeah, that's my correction. And I'm saying apparently because, like, a lot of these sources are in Japanese, and I, like, I'm not going to, I'm not doing the Kimba thing again, okay? You people look into it, okay?

I'm just here to say that it's disputed. And you can figure that shit out. Yeah. From specifically over there, we had the same problem when we were talking about Grave of the Fireflies, you remember? Oh, yeah, yeah.

that statement from the director. Where he says it's not an anti-war movie or something? Yeah, but you can read deeper and it's obviously more in depth and it's been translated and misquoted and you've got to like go to the source to find out the truth. Fucking get it together, Japan. Just speak English already. Sathire. Yeah, that was a real alphabet.

It's ridiculous. Yes. That wasn't a real statement. Don't ban me. That's a joke. Yeah. For, should have done it in the text and accent. That's a cure-all if you want to make a slightly racist joke.

Japan's got to get their sting together and speak American. There we go. Saved. All right. Question time? Let's do some questions then from the Sardana caste community. If you want to leave your own questions, head over to the Sardonicast subreddit where there will be a suggestion thread we can ask whatever you like. Whiskey food has a little one to get us going, which we kind of referenced earlier. Can we hear Ralph say Luca Guaderninia? Oh my God, why? Wait, how did you say? Just once.

Luca Guadernino. Hold on Rocky's barking. Let me shut him up. You can't escape this, you've got to say it. Look it up on IMDB. Luca Guadino. Awesome. Rected by Pixar.

Lafa 0601 has a real question then. I've got a question for Adam, though I'd love. love to hear any insight from Alex and Ralph. What do you think is the best way to write an LGBTQ plus character? Is it just as simple as writing the character as a person who just so happens to be LGBTQ plus? Or do you think that it's more complicated than that? What are some of your favorite and least favorite LGBTQ plus characters? Well, okay, so there's this, it's almost like a psychological phenomenon that basically because LGBTQ plus whatever you want to to call it. Anybody with like a, an atypical identity or sexuality is going to be looked at as not

the norm. And just by default of that not being the norm, then no matter how you include it, it's going to seem like it's kind of a political statement. When in reality, like, it can easily just be like, oh, it just is, right? If you include a straight person and a piece of media, when James Bond fucks a girl, that's not a statement. That's just like, oh, this is the default, right? But if James Bond were gay and he was just fucking. a dude in the middle of the movie, even if it was handled the exact same way. Even if it was handled the exact identical way to any other James Owen film, it would all of a sudden be a political statement, right? It would all of a sudden be like, oh, this is like a forced thing that you're

trying to put into the movie. And maybe, maybe it is depending on the intentions of the people putting it into it. When I see, you know, like Pixar or Disney marketing these things where it's like, you know, first gay character is like, like, you don't actually give a shit. You're just being a stupid corporation trying to get like some publicity over. We're not even doing like the bare minimum. So in terms of writing a gay character, I think it would be a mistake to say that there is one specific way that it has to be. Because, you know, sometimes there's pieces of media where the point is that they're gay. Sometimes there's pieces of media where that doesn't have to be the point.

It depends on what you want to create. If it's something that the writers obviously have some kind of personal connection to and they're being genuine about it, then that's, great, that's ideal. Put whatever you want in your movie, you know, like you can have, I always thought it would be cool to like just cast a movie, like write a script. And then if, if there's like a trans person that shows up to the casting process and they're the best person for the role, just put them in and don't change anything about the script, maybe that could work. Maybe it has to be a part of their identity. There's arguments from all sides. Like you, you can put like a minority character in a film. and then there might be people complaining that they didn't explore enough about them, you know?

So, I don't know. It seems like unwinnable in a sense. You can't please everybody, but I don't know. Just try to make it seem like you're not doing it for cynical reasons, is I guess, what I would say. Yeah. What stands out in your mind then as good or particular good or particularly bad examples? Yeah, I'm trying to think some good examples. There was a trailer for a new Netflix show called Q-Force.

The animators are saying the trailer is out of context And the show is actually much better But who the fuck knows? The trailer looks like absolute dog shit And the whole idea behind that is like We're spies but we're gay And so every line in the trailer is like It made my butthole go boop

And it's like nobody talks like that Like nobody says that Right and like Yeah so That's a little annoying And is obviously trying to pander and capitalize Off of it in a cynical way Sure.

We'll see how the show is. I don't expect it to be great. I think a good example. One of my favorite examples, Alex Garland's annihilation. It's about four women, and one of them's a lesbian. And it's just like,

you know, there's a scientist kind of on a mission doing something. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're women, but it's not really...

Like, that's not really important. Like, it just depends. Obviously, everything you put in a movie has to mean something. So having it all be women,

they're one of them's a lesbian. It has some significance just in the same way. John Carpenter's the thing. They're all men. It just depends on the story you want to tell. Is it believable? It's more believable for Laurie Strode to be in Halloween in Haddonfield, so have it be a woman. Like, it just depends on the kind of movie and the story.

I don't know. I feel like if I wrote a character like that, they would just kind of serve a purpose in the story aside from being identified as that, like an annihilation. I think that's the way to go if you don't identify as like an LGBT person, you know? Yeah, what pops into my head more is is TV almost

I think of recently Euphoria Yeah, which I haven't seen Just a really genuine like character And another HBO show is 6 v under Michael C. Hall's character is gay in it And yeah, that's right That's a good example Being effective and

And an interesting one actually is a sitcom example. Brooklyn 9-9 has like a gay sergeant character. I don't even really like the sitcom that much, but it is a big part of that character that he is gay. But the approach is that he is just a character who is gay and not that his character is that he's gay, if you know what I mean?

Because that can be a thing in certain sitcoms where it's like in big mouth that the gay character is a certain way, a certain stereotype, if you were. can just get boring after a while. Nice to see a fresh spin in Brooklyn Nine-N-N-N-E-N-O-E- that kind of thing. Yeah. Almost Famous has a great example. Yeah.

The big character in that. That was just a joke, though. That was just supposed to be funny. I like that, though. There's a movie called Weekend from Andrew Haig-I-G-H-H. Yeah, I've heard of Weekend. Well, there's like two movies called Weekend, but the one I'm thinking of is like from 2011 from that,

director so don't confuse that with the what is it John Luke Goddard weekend I don't remember who directed the other one but yeah it's like a really genuine relationship movie and it's kind of like it's almost like before trilogy or something you know where it's like

a lot of conversation and these two people that you know are in a relationship and exploring love and you know it feels like a nice genuine gay relationship movie and the same thing with call me by your name like That was another standout one, obviously.

Really great cinematography, too. But, like, yeah, it's like a genuine, nice sort of thing that doesn't try to go out of its way to be, like, super political and how it does it, you know, and call me by your name, there's never any scene where they have to battle with, like, people not accepting them being in the closet sort of thing. They're just free to exist as these characters. In the same way that if you wrote a story about a straight couple, they would.

Exactly. Yeah, for sure. Explores that character, yeah. That's interesting, yeah. Even though Army Hammer's like a creep. Oopsie. You can't a ball. Yeah.

I think he's worse. I think he's like abusive or whatever. But, you know, whatever, whatever. Yeah. Is Luca also Guadino? Guadino. Is he a LGBTQ person?

Is he gay? Oh, I don't know. Does anyone know? But I think, in general. It's not like I really care. Europeans have a lot less of an apprehension towards exploring sexuality than Americans. Definitely. That could probably be a huge.

I would definitely agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. A lot less sexual repression in Europe. And, you know, even call me by your name, like, it's about that character. And, you know, it's not just like he's gay haphazardly. Like, I think it explores that a lot in an interesting way. I'm not a fan of it just being thrown in, like, finding Dory.

There's, like, two lesbians in the background. Oh. you know like that's yeah because that's clearly there for the screenshot and clearly so insignificant that it can be edited out for Russia and China and you know who's deciding that who's deciding that like you don't even know really

right is that a decision made by the same thing the animators snuck it in like you know yeah like what does it mean like what does it mean nothing yeah it's not part of the story or anything and call me by your name he's gay because that's the point of the movie that's the story That's the story and it's emotional and powerful. Don't just throw it in.

Yeah. Or annihilation. She just happens to be and she's also like a scientist or I think she's a paramedic in annihilation. That's fine. I think those are two good examples. I would try to ape those. Yeah.

Okay. The shirt has one for us. What is the strangest thing that you've received genuine backlash I was trying to wrap my brain. Oh, so many. A strange one I remember annoying people with was, I spoiled the end of mice and men, like, in a video, like, randomly. And, like, people got upset that I spoiled the ending of a mice and men.

It's like a book from 1937. Mice and men. Yeah, you read that, like, English class. Because then I was reading a comment and saying, thanks for spoiling of mice of men, dude. What? When is the cut? I got really, you gotta do spoiler warnings or of mice?

Okay. Yeah. Anything strange that stands out in your minds? I don't know. Fucking the Pokemon movie, the new one. What was that called? What was the Detective Pikachu? Yeah.

People are so mad that I didn't give that, like, a better rating. And they're like, you don't know what you're talking about. important movie everyone remembers yeah like nobody gives a shit about that now same thing with like suicide squad i got a lot of heat when that came out now like now where did the fans go it's just angry joe like i don't know who else was a fan clearly more people than angry joe were a fan of that movie where did the rest of them go right so i don't know yeah amazing spider-man too not a good one suicide squad that that is the worst dc movie i think that yeah yeah yeah I think that is...

I finally sell it. Yeah. Yeah, Batman versus Superman. It's up there. Oh, what was the question? Strangest thing you've received genuine backlash for. Yeah, Batman versus Superman.

Like all the DC, yeah. Batman for Superman. Which is anything with a mindless family base, basically. Suicide, yeah. Anything of the mindless family is. Yeah. Well, Batman versus Superman was a big one. Because that movie sucks.

Like, who likes that? I saw that in theater. It was so dull. No one. said anything, the whole movie in the audience. I guess that's what you're supposed to do. The audience usually claps and laughs at least, you know, with

a Marvel film. Mike So-Clauses said it was like attending a funeral. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, it kind of was. You know what, though? I don't, if people are just going to backlash over like words, I don't think that that's a big deal, you know?

There's other YouTubers that are doing like cryptocurrency scams and shit. Yeah? What our biggest Controversies are we've just said things that people don't like sometimes. So I think that's pretty cool. People still money. People take advantage of other people. Like messages and, you know.

I think we're doing pretty good. No, we don't do that. Yeah. If you, yeah, that's the thing you're most annoyed at me is because I like don't like the Sonic movie. Don't like Pokemon. Yeah, that's pretty good going on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen the Sonic movie.

Help. Help, there were words that someone said that I didn't like. You don't like almost famous? We're gonna get backlash for that. People love that movie. You get backlash for ratings, like minor ratings stuff like that. But that's mostly a joke, right?

Like, people don't actually get mad at me for a rating. It's supposed to you. It must be a joke. You hope so. Some people are very attached to their properties. I guess so. I saw who Carston, RyQuist, is that his name?

Runquist. Or whatever? Nesquick. Okay. He rated Goodfellas 9 out of 10. I'm like, okay, you need to up that.

To 10 out of 10. That's all. Get on it. But like, that didn't make me upset. Like, that's just a, that's just a joke. Like, that's funny, I think. I don't think people actually get offended over ratings. Yeah, the problem is,

you're coming from a rational position as the thing. You're not like 12 years old and love Detective Pikachu and then see you online. Like, oh, I'm going to ruin his life. It's like people, like, they get so upset over opinions that they only try to docks you or, like, ruin your life or something. Like, it's, that's ridiculous. I feel like it was mostly adults that watched Detective Pikachu. And the theater was mostly adults. Like, that's capitalizing off of, like, childhood nostalgia for like millennials, right?

Really? That's weird. This whole era. The Lion King? This Aladdin? Yeah, it's capitalizing enough of nostalgia for people who are clearly non-children because they have nothing with a nostalgia cover. They're movies for kids.

Maybe it's because kids don't want to go see movies anymore. It's like all their parents go. Yeah, they got Fortnite. They don't care about movies. I mean, the parents are ultimately the ones who decide where the money is spent, right? So. You don't have to get pandered to by a bunch of studios. Let's do this one from Picture I'm a Dreamer.

Who would you pinpoint as the prime example of a filmmaker with no style. Do you think it benefits their films to not be defined by specific style, or does it just make them uncheeky and unrecognizable? Well, no style. I don't know. That could be a good thing, too.

I've got an example, but it's not a good example. Brett Ratner is the director who has no style to be. Yeah. We're going by the bad definition. I think the Stephen Seagall films, like those directors, you know, Brian A. Miller for, like, Bruce Willis' films Keone Waxman for Steven Seagall

Yeah those guys they don't care Like the death race movies You know the straight to DVD ones Those have no style Fucking Brian Singer You know You could just You could just put you

I mean yeah they literally had another director Do the rest of the movie And you can't tell which parts The Bohemian Rhapsody That one Yeah Like I mean All of his movies is it's like it's not

the directing that's really that that a behemian rhapsody movie's terrible yeah i couldn't believe how fucking bad that was swap him out like that's really a fall from grace because like you know usual suspects ex-men like those were good movies when they came out yeah yeah like he used to be considered like a respected director but yeah after those allegations or whatever and fucking behemian rhapsody like that movie sucks that movie's a fucking mess and it it doesn't even capture what that guy's life is like really yeah john watts the news Spider-Man's movies, which is weird because when he was making like, when he was making like the older films in his career, he made clown.

That had like personality to it. Maybe not, I guess, necessarily from the directing, but it was like a memorable movie. But then as soon as he starts doing Spider-Man shit, he's like, I don't know, I guess. It's just the most boring cinematography. Yeah, I agree with that one. It stands out so much for a character like Spider-Man. He's such a kinetic, creative character. I think Brett Radner is, like, much worse than someone like that.

Yeah. And, yeah, all the accusations against him, too, like, Brett Radder's piece of shit. Oh, what about the guy who does, like, the Ant-Man movies? Peyton Reed? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It sucks. Like, you directed like, yes, man. Terrible. Ant-man. Oh, what do you know?

Yes, man. Hmm. Yeah, that's probably quite a good example of this. Everyone makes that joke. No style. I think Keone Waxman. The Russo brothers. Those Stephen Segal movies.

Those are the worst. I don't know. There's a crap ton of directors that have like no style. They're just there for like the paycheck sort of thing. They're there to make it work in the bare minimum way. But they're not there to add their own voice really. It's like an independent contractor. Exactly.

Yeah, I guess that's not what people want, you know? They just want bland shit. I don't know. They want bland shit made by weirdos. I don't think that if these films had more style, they would be less successful, though. I think they just don't get as much trust from Disney. They just don't care. They're just like, whatever.

It's too risky and too hard to make something weird and different. And I guess, I don't know, if. you're making a gigantic franchise of all these different directors, then you might want them to be as bland as possible just so they feel more cohesive, you know, unlike the DC universe where it's like, oh, this one's in four by three now. Oh, cool. This is the same franchise? Okay. Thanks, Zach. I think Brett Ratner takes the cake, though, as far as, like, worst. Yeah, I think Brett Radner's the worst. Yeah. He's much worse than Brian Singer. In terms of directing, I mean, they're both awful.

I just mean, just their movies. Like, his movies fucking Rush Hour, like the Rush Hour movies. X-Men 3, Tower Heist. Like, those are fucking... He did movie 43. He did a segment movie 43. Oh, my God. Hercules.

Yeah, that's fucking trash. I guess it's not as bad as the other Hercules with Calan Lutz. Oh. Yeah, there's two. There's Dwayne Johnson, and then there's the guy from Twilight. I might be saying his name wrong, but... I think you said it correctly. Oh, yeah.

The only reason I know of that name is from the commentary things. Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten about that. It's Legend of Hercules, same year. Directed by Rennie Harlan. Yeah, that's right. He did Die Hard 2. Oh, the worst of the three original. Yeah, it's just a copy of the first one.

I mean, the third one was a copy of the first one. It was good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. Butter 467 was one. Dune was recently delayed to October 22nd, which means Dune last night in Soho, the French dispatch, I should think, the last night. Yeah, that's moved late.

And Jackass four are all coming out on the same day. My question is, has there ever been an instance where a release date of a movie ruined its box office potential? That happens all the time, I think. I mean, there's been instances of them saving themselves by releasing when no one else, like the Alvin and Chitmong movies or something, you know, I'll be like, nothing else is out. You have to see Alvin and Chipmunks. Yeah. Right?

Sometimes there's never a right time, maybe. I don't know, because they're trying to cram in a lot. They release that, like, the end of August. I don't know why Jackass 4 is being released at that point in time. The rest of them, it's because they're awards movies, and they want to be at the end of the year. Jackass 4, I think they're just, like, Like, well, it's finished. I guess we release it now.

I feel like they could have made more money off spiral if they just released it digitally. Yeah. Instead of waiting all that time. Release it during the pandemic. Yeah. People would have watched it. It was quiet. I feel like on October release would have been better, like, for this year.

Yeah, yeah. Just like in the middle of the summer. We're dropping it like middle of the year. Every other saw film was dropped in October. It was just, yeah, for the biggest movies, you want to be able to make. when people go. Yeah. Like,

July is a good time. You know, a lot of people go to the movies during the summer. M. Night. At the end of the year, Christmas,

like around then. Mm-hmm. So that's like a good time. And like those are the movies they have the most faith in, but sometimes they release good movies like in August. Like, I don't know what they think is going to happen.

Sometimes it works out. Like Guardians of the Galaxy, I think was August. Yeah. And that worked out pretty well. It was an August release, um, that killed,

That was like... The Iron Giant. It was like up against a six cents. That Scott Pilgrim, I think of... Oh, yeah, yeah. Rambo. Was Scott Pilgrim a bad timing thing, though, or just that wasn't connecting with audiences thing?

It was that, too. You never know. It wasn't connecting. It's a mix of things. Yeah, multiple factors. Ideally, I mean, I'm... I applied for TIF again this year, so... I think three... I think the three of those, like Dune and French Dispatch and Last Night in Soho, might be at Tiff.

So I might be able to see them early, hopefully. We don't really know yet because even if they are on the list of movies, there might be some extra restrictions. Like last year they didn't do the father for digital. I think that was like in person only. So that might be the situation again with a few of these. But we'll see. It would be nice to catch them early. Yeah.

Whatever. Who knows? Who knows what I'll talk to? Individual log has one for us. Question for Adam and Ralph. What is the equivalent of Swindon of your countries? So, uh, there's a town in the UK called Swindon, which is kind of like, what happens when you have loads of small towns over time, just kind of join into this chelateness blob of a town that's like the hellhole with, it's just like the... It's like the pimple of the country, basically.

Like, no one wants to go there. No one wants to live there. No one wants to be there, but you find yourself having to go there sometimes. That's funny. What's kind of the pimple of your country? Everyone from the UK knows what I'm talking about. There's got to be a Canadian and USA equivalent. Much bigger, obviously, places.

Yeah, I mean, there's more landmass, so we would never have to say, like, you have to go there sometimes. It's like, fuck. It's like the... The UK can fit in like one Canadian province, like the entire day. So like fucking all of Europe, it's like, you guys travel to a different country. Like we traveled like different cities. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's hard one though. America's big, you know. There's not like one spot. Yeah, there's a few pimples. We're such a trashiest place. Like what pops into your head first when you think of the place I least want to go in Canada or the USA? Say. Fucking, I don't know.

I don't want to go anywhere in Canada. Saskatchewan. Like Saskatoon. Like, uh. What's wrong with them? What's your problem with them? It's just like the middle of the country and there's like nothing there and except like a bunch of like extreme religious fanatics and cheap rent because nobody wants to live there.

So the rent's cheap. So because there's, you're just lowering your quality of life just to exist. for less money and you get a job as like a trucker or like an oil worker or something. I guess oil workers is more Alberta. But yeah, I mean like each province, provincially there's like a little shit hole in each of them, I guess, you know? I don't know.

Like there's a lot of like not quite the city, but like part of the greater city thing. So like for Vancouver it's Surrey. Like people are like, ah, fuck Surrey. We go Surrey here as well. Yeah. Yeah, you do. I don't know if it's similar, but yeah, more crime, more COVID cases, more annoyance sort of thing.

Mm-hmm. There's lots of COVID and Swindon, yeah. Yeah, cheaper rent, but you lose the quality of life. It's enticing. If you never want to leave your home ever, then get the cheaper rent. It's got to be somewhere in the U.S. Right. I'm looking through a list of, like, worst cities in the U.S.

Like, I'm thinking, yeah, I'm just thinking of myself. I wouldn't, California is pretty bad. Like, there's a lot of bad spots of California. And Florida and Michigan. Anywhere in the Bible Belt. Yeah, just small South. Like, Louisiana, Alabama, like, Hawaii. Any not major city in America.

I really wouldn't want to live in Hawaii, like around volcanoes. Like, there's just a lot of America. That's just like, why would you want to, like, California is hot, overpopulated. Michigan is like a dump. Not trying to be me. Like, Illinois. Louisiana. Yeah.

The entirety of Illinois. Yeah. Like, when you look at a list of worst cities, usually like Michigan, Michigan, Louisiana. Yeah, California, Louisiana. It's usually those. And a lot of Hawaii, too. You know, it's surprisingly a lot of Florida. I wonder, maybe there's a lot of crime in Florida.

There's a lot of bad shit in Florida. There's a lot of religious fundamentalism and counterproductive. Well, the Bar-Saults videos come from as well, right? Yeah. Like, Florida has its own meme of, like, Florida man, right? Because there's... That's right, yeah, yeah. Because there's so much crazy shit happening in Florida.

It's like, wow. Just a really uneducated population that's looking to attack people at a higher rate than the rest of the country. Yeah, really. Absolutely. Like highest teen pregnancy rate in the United States. They practice abstinence-only. To credit of New York. Education.

Obviously, that works for do you. Hilarious. New York's pretty good, though. There's not many bad spots in New York. Like, I wouldn't say. Maybe New Jersey. I'd like to visit New York. Yeah.

It is toward the show. Yeah. New York's pretty nice. Yeah. New York's, yeah, they got good pizza and they got good bagels and that kind of stuff. Good delis, good like diners. Yeah, go to a diner. Are you, uh, I know you mentioned, uh, Illinois's bed.

Are you really passionate about the, uh, Chicago pizza versus New York pizza debate? Are you passionate about that? Passionate. Well, I just think New York pizza is better. But Chicago pizza is different. It's like deep dish, right? Yeah, two different things. I find the argument to be silly.

Yeah, it's very different. Yeah. It's not just like bad pizza, like Domino's is bad pizza. It's just different style. I just don't like that kind of pizza at all. I would prefer New York. And, you know, if you go to Italy, the pizza is different. That's probably the best.

But, like, New York and Italian pizza is the best. Like, Chicago, I'm not about that. Whenever I'm in Chicago, I always get some Giordanos or whatever. That's what Uno specializes in. It's like deep dish Chicago style. No, it's Luma Nottis. That's what I get. Yeah.

Mm. Okay. Decadent. Flaky. Very nice. Dominoes is okay. If it's like the middle of the night, you had something to drink. Yeah.

You guys make me hungry. Yeah, I'm going to get some flowers after this. Yeah. Have fun. I'm going to eat a salad. Oh, healthy. Yeah. It's not very dominoesy.

No, no. Get a Caesar salad. No. Get a domino's salad. No. You know, it's really funny. I look at the fucking nutritional information on some of these fast food places that do salads. It's like, holy shit, McDonald's is selling salads that are, like, more calories than a Big Mac.

Like, holy shit. How do you make a salad? I never get that there. Why would you go to McDonald's to buy a salad? Exactly. Why even go there? Yeah. Who was the comedian that said it's like going to hooker to get a hug or something?

That's funny. Okay. Let me find a juicy one here. Let's do this one from, um, CC Body Rider In the essay Death of the Author An argument is made

That any interpretations of art Should be done without taking into account That artist's intentions Essentially it argues that the art And the artist are completely separate entities I was curious Do you agree with this approach to criticism Or do you believe that artist's intent

Shapes the way we perceive the art I mean Those are kind of like Okay You can still agree with it without necessarily saying that an artist's intent doesn't shape the way we perceive art, you know? So, like, I believe an artist's intent does shape the way that art is perceived, but I don't think that that's necessarily the be-all end-all.

Like, if I want to believe in the indoctrination theory for Mass Effect three's ending, because it makes more sense and it's more satisfying and it's just a better ending, I don't care if the writers say that they had never intended that. I'm still going to believe it, okay? If the pieces of the puzzle fit together in that way, I'm going to believe it. So go fuck yourselves, Byware. It's my game. It's my experience.

I don't know. It's two different important conversations, isn't it? Both are valuable to me. The artist's intentions add another layer to appreciate if you can try and delve through their eyes to deconstruct it. But there's also the whole interpretation of what people get out of it. So much of filmmaking is unintentional in terms of how it comes together and what people pick apart from it.

And you can never control something as... There's so many variables that something like a film does. I know this essay was, I guess, talking about writing and authors, but it does apply, I guess, with you're making a piece of art that is detached from yourself. It's like a... It exists aside from you, and it's a group effort. Hundreds of people can make these things.

I don't know. To me, it's not as binary, though. I like as many aspects of the conversation as possible as a side to kind of just commanding that only one half of it is as valuable. Yeah. I feel like I respect the art more if the artist's intentions are very clear. Yeah. Like you said, it's not the end all be all.

I can still like the movie. When I watch a film like Evil Dead 2, it's very intentional. It's a very goofy film. That's the artist's intention. Yeah. Everything about that experience. experience is crafted to make you feel that way. It's very intentional as opposed to maybe a Neil Breen film, which is, you know, I enjoy perhaps maybe a similar experience laughing at the

incompetent parts or like the goofy effects, maybe. Yeah, yeah. I guess that aspect. But yet, sorry, I'm choking. Neil Breen is doing it. Help. He's exterminating you with his mind. He's like, Neil Breen thinks he's making the fountain, you know, like a Daron-Arenovic film. You know, he doesn't think he's making Schlock. I still love it, though. It's a different experience. Ultimately, though, I'm still getting a comedy, a kind of, you know.

I would sooner rewatch any of Neil Breins' films than I would rewatch the fountain. So. Yeah, well, that's, that is true. They're entertaining. Yeah. It isn't the end of deal, right? I respect it. I respect a film that is being intentional in its tone.

Mm-hmm. And when it's trying to get you to feel something, you actually feel that thing. And, you know, brain, he's usually trying to make you feel something and that he makes you laugh. Evil Dead is usually trying to make you laugh, and it ends up making you laugh. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. All right.

I guess that about does it for questions? Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, nice. Who's movie turn? Alex is, it's your turn. So it's my recommendation, and I'm going to be a little bit cheeky if you guys don't mind. I actually have two movies here because I just think it would make the episode and conversation more interesting.

And that's because I want to talk about train spotting one and two. Oh shit. Yeah. This will be my first time watching the second one, actually. Ralph and I have seen both many times. You've just seen the first one. Adam here. I saw a theater.

The second one. Yeah, I haven't seen the second one since. Yeah, since it came out in the theater. So I'm curious how that's going to be. I wasn't a huge fan of it when I saw it, but I think I'd like it more now. I think I'd appreciate it. I'm curious what it's going to be like now. And I love the first one.

First one's really fucking good. That's a fucking awesome movie. All right. Banger. Yeah, this will be a fun discussion. Awesome. I got a train spotting poster in my room. Yeah, I have the Chief's Speech.

It fell down the other day. Awesome. Yeah. It's a good song. It's been long enough since I've seen the original also. So, that'll be nice to... Yeah, good music. You know, I should get like the album of that soundtrack,

because it's a good soundtrack. Amazing. That's what I remember most about it. All right. If you are listening and you don't want to be spoiled for train spotting and T2, I think it's called, Terminator 2, the Squeakable, then watch it before...

It's like a Terminator joke. The next episode, these episodes come out every two weeks, and you can listen to them early if you go to Sardonicast.com, sign up for premium. a month. And also, patreon.com slash sardonicast. You can do that instead if you like Patreon better and you'll get these episodes as they're edited. Also, we got March. And we might also check out the film The Tomorrow War before next episode.

We might start out the discussion with that because that's a new thing that's on Amazon Prime video right now. That might be pretty bad. It might take up a lot of time. Yeah, who knows? Yeah, we'll have a good, uh, meaty discussion of these three films. Yeah, on just how bad it is. But, you know, it could be good.

Who knows? Don't judge a book by, don't judge a movie by its poster, Ralph. That's right. By its cover art on Amazon Prime. Don't judge a movie by it having Chris Pratt in it. Don't judge a Chris by its Pratt. Yeah.

There we go. All right. Happy Shrek, everybody. Bye-bye. Thanks for listening. Bye, Shrek, something.