Sardonicast - Sardonicast 91: Space Jam: A New Legacy, Trainspotting 1 & 2

Episode Date: July 26, 2021

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Three, two, one. Man, man, boy, boy, man. Yes. Didn't do that one before. I love that. Who said that, by the way? And it was a Canadian. Oh, this goes deep.

When I was, God, I must have been like 17 and like Caller Duty videos were all on like trending all the time. This, right. Oh, do you remember people would like, they would steal the titles and thumbnails that like reply girl type thing? Yeah. There was one of these replied type channels. That was like this Canadian like cobb player and he had this really distinct voice and I was always commenting on his videos and Oh, you got him to say it. I guess I annoyed him and he shouted me out.

Oh! He shouted me out in one of his videos. It wasn't even a request. Anyway, I met him from your movie sex. This is Stardana cast before we go any further. We forgot to do that part. Hi, everyone. I'm Ralph Movie Maker.

And I'm Alex from Aitchie and yeah, what are we talking about? Man, man boy boy man. Yeah. The best channel. Man's, yeah. So that was your... The most ongoing album of all time. Yeah, my idol.

Yeah, I'll never forget him. That's awesome. Because that used to appear at the beginning of your Man Man Boy Boy Man videos channel. I don't know how far back it was, but I didn't even watch it again recently. It was just so distinct and memorable. That's good to know.

I'm glad it really is. Left an impression. But yeah, it was confusing because I was like, that doesn't sound British. Who said that? No, it makes sense. No, just some random Canadian guy. Awesome.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Apparently, everybody feels like shit except me today, which is like bizarre a world. Yeah. I feel fine. Yeah, I feel kind of under the weather. I said that before we started. I'm dying.

Yeah, and I shouldn't be feeling under the weather, but I kind of a lame morning if I'm being real. Of course, because of the pandemic, going, I've been to the dentist, in like a year. Same. And I had postponed it before that point. I've been sorting that stuff out. It's been too long. I've been sorting all that stuff out the last few weeks.

So I had an appointment this morning. It was booked in a couple weeks ago. Of course it happens to line up with like this insane heat wave. We're having in the UK right now. Oh shit. We just had one a few weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember reading about how insane it was getting Canada too.

But here, we're just totally not prepared for it in any way. So I'm at the dentist and they're doing all their dentists. this like bullshit using their gels and stuff. But because of the heat, it's like not working properly. So somehow like... They're like melting. I don't know like all the tools and like, you know, like from your perspective, it's just like hands like in your face and plastic and it's being shoved everywhere.

I didn't know exactly what was going on. But like some like bit of plastic or thing was stuck in between my teeth and the dentist so I couldn't remove it. That's terrifying. And they were like yanking trying to pull it away from my head and they like couldn't do it. So they're like repositioned my head. yanked as hard as they could got it out but in the process

sliced the edge of my my smile like the fucking Joker from the dark night and I had to put a stitch in Holy shit you've got a Joker face now yeah so I'm the joke I'm literally the joke yeah oh shit

and even despite all that pain it was not as miserable as sitting through space jam and you like this movie oh my god perfect segue and I would have to imagine that That's probably accurate because it was cancer. It was painful. Yeah.

I didn't think it's a movie. I'm glad you started out that way. I'm glad we got that out of the way. We all fucking hated the movie. I mean, yeah. Space Jam and New Legacy, what a fucking piece of shit. Yeah, the worst thing ever made of all that. It was.

It was really bad. Do you remember the passion we had for ReadyPlayer one? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you remember every bad thing from the last 20? Well, not even bad thing. Just anything you recognize that Warner Bros has touched. Yeah, it was like Ready Player 1 though.

Like it reminded me just to that. Just like a bunch of references on the screen. Like, do you know this? Do you know Clockwork Orange? Do you know Batman? Do you know LeBron James? Do you know Nike? And that's the whole movie.

It's the whole movie. There's nothing else going on but references and selling you shit. Yeah. And it's like, I don't even know how anyone can watch this shit, honestly. It's like it's like a whole new level of, like, cynical corporate. Yeah. A whole new. level of cynical corporate.

No, it is. It is, because I didn't think it could go lower than Ready Player 1. Yeah. Because there's this trend with these Warner Bros. movies that I think was started with the Lego movie. So you remember in that movie it is combining a bunch of Warner Bros. You know, it's got Star Wars in there.

The superhero DC characters are in there. That must have like flicked some switch in the higher-ups to just be like, oh, I guess every movie now that we own can just be like a combination of the random properties and IP we have. So they did Ready Player 1. It was garbage. And somehow it's like each one is deconstructing this terrible idea even more and more. How can it go lower than this?

The Lego movie and Ready Player 1 were films that had a crap ton of references to Warner Brothers properties. But there was at least a purpose towards that happening in the plot and what kind of movie was being made out of it. Because Lego sets already exist of those things, of course. Like a lot of the iconic Lego sets that exist are of other properties that exist already. Yeah, yeah. It does make sense. The Ready Player 1 book, the entire purpose of it is to do that nostalgic thing because the characters in that world are wanting to return to nostalgia of their 80s, whatever, in the virtual reality. In Space Jam, a new legacy, there is zero purpose towards this happening, and they just decide, well, I guess now this time they can be in the Warner.

Brothers algorithm computer and that's the plot like they tailored the plot to force that to happen rather than it happening because the plot was already a certain way right it's just so space yeah where's the space jam yeah exactly they didn't go to space from the first

movie holy crap you're right into a server in Warner Brothers right oh my god there was a point where like I was watching my brother he's like where's space I'm like yeah should be called like game jam or something yeah server jam it was like it was like record Ralph in the it was like record Ralph it was more like Recker Ralph True.

Holy shit. I didn't even realize there was no space. And there's basically no jam, too. I mean, the first film had a killer soundtrack. What does this one have? Bullshit. It has notorious PIG. Come on.

Oh, yeah, that was so good. That was so funny, and I laughed so much and so hard. That was my breaking point. At least it wasn't a reference, you know? At least it was a... No, there is a reference to... Yeah, it's a notorious B. Biggie.

Oh, yeah. True. Yeah, you can't win this movie. Mm-hmm. But yeah, this movie, it goes under the guise of being a children. film and that's why I guess it doesn't have to try as hard except it isn't a kid's film at all it isn't for families it's for man children it's for people who like Rick and Morty and Freddie Player 1 and like all these old properties and they just want to jack off to them yeah like that's

all it is it's just like a bunch of yeah I couldn't actually actually that's it when the audience for the game at the end is literally white walkers the characters from clockwork fucking orange and the clowns from it all these things that are about like the anti-children children's properties. Yeah. But they're put like almost a little bit four from the fucking tunes. You know when Scorsese got the shit for describing Marvel movies is just like... Theme park?

Theme park rides. Yeah. But that's what this is. That was what all this was to me. It's even like the structure of it, like the planets are each like a little theme part rides and it's like, oh, what's the Bron Jane's going to look like on this theme part ride? Oh my God. I couldn't believe like how bad this film would got.

And just ironically almost. the perfect representation it is of how bad these Warner Bros movies are in a similar way to that the original Space Jam was of the 90s. It's like a disgusting, overly bloated, full of way too many references, has no personality. It's just about nostalgia. It's like all the worst shit we've been complaining about for years in one movie. I cannot believe what I saw. It has nothing going on.

There's nothing, there's no story, there's no characters, there's no theme. It's just like, it's just references. And they shoehorn in the story with his son, like that stuff was like supposed to the emotional core. That did not work for me at all. I just thought LeBron James was, I don't think he's the best actor. I think I'll say that. I'll leave it there. Apparently in Train Rock, he's good, which I haven't seen.

Oh, but no, I mean. And it must be hard for an actor, you know, to act against green screen and not be with, you know, like he's acting against. animated characters, which I guess is difficult for a real actor. And, you know, imagine LeBron James, like, doing that. It doesn't, it doesn't work. He's not good in the movie. And, um, the villain of the movie, what the hell was his name? Like, Ali G. Yeah, algorithm. Algae rhythm. Played by Don Cheatel. Yeah. And he was, like, I didn't, I didn't know what he was doing in the movie. Like, he was just, he was phoned in. He was just there for a check. The way that Don Cheatel was performing the role, it's like they wanted someone more

charismatic like Will Smith or Kevin Hart but they were like Will Smith's too old and Kevin Hart is too homophobic or something like I don't Don Cheath didn't seem like you fit well for the I don't know has Don Cheatel done many roles where you could say it's like oh this is like a wacky Jim Carrey

performance or something like what the it was so weird and it felt like it didn't feel natural I don't know like not to say Don Cheatel's a bad actor but like it didn't work well for me. That whole villain character was just such a mess. Just on a visual level, what they try and do with him, how they express him and how he changes throughout the movie.

And the same thing, by the time he becomes this weird, like, uncanny valley CGI super mega Don Cedal. That was really bad. And what was up with that? The movie ended. And then it's like, hang on. Actually, we need 30 more minutes of like more, like, pointless, nauseating action. I barely tell what's going on. Yeah. The end of this film is a disaster. like the last half hour I fucking hate. It's just like, that's when it gets really bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, just any semblance of story just goes away. I want to address an argument that I've kind of been seeing some people make,

where they're essentially saying, well, the first space jam was also bad, and you're just being like a nostalgia person or whatever. Like, the problem is the space, the first space jam was bad and memorable, right? Like, I'm not going to pretend like the first space jam was a masterpiece. piece, but they actually put a shit ton of effort into getting the right soundtrack, right? That was a massive success for good reason, right? The combination of something like, oh, we're going to take Michael Jordan an NBA player at like the high point of his, sorry, like at the end of his career when he's like transitioning,

like this is like a sendoff for the real life person, Michael Jordan. And we're going to combine that with Looney Tunes. Like they were showing something new. Whether or not it's cheesy and dumb and stupid. and blah, blah, blah, blah. And yes, it's bad in many ways. They were showing something new. And there's a reason why they made a sequel in current years because it connected with

the culture. And it's a very visceral snapshot of 1996. It's defining the decade in a sense, right? Yes, exactly. You could make the argument that Space Jam, a new legacy, that the type of movie this is might define parts of filmmaking within this decade. But it's not defining the decade. You could say that this.

is a negative trend within filmmaking that many other films can be described as doing. But Space Jam 2 does not define a decade. It does not define anything. It's forgettable. It's so easily disposable. And I forgot most of it very quickly after it. Because it's just references. And it's not references for humor.

It's references in replace of humor in the same way that a Friedberg and Seltzer movie, who I don't know if I'm saying their names are right. Yeah, I know. Epic movie, date movie, two of the six writers of scary movie dudes, right? Like, it's just, like, oh, you noticed a thing, big chungis. Like, where is the joke, though? Where's the joke? You can't, you can't just reference something and all of a sudden it's humor.

Like, getting the joke isn't just getting what they're showing, that there's two different things. I was thinking that during that entire section where the movie becomes, oh, let's build a team. with the roster of famous WB heroes who'd be good at playing basketball. That whole section, you could just take out the movie. Nothing would change. Yes. Oh, yeah. I can't believe it's two hours long.

It's crazy because they didn't even have to film those sequences. They just rotoscoped over top of it, basically, with new characters. So they saved some money. And, yeah, if we're going to talk about the animation, the animation in the trailer looked bad already. I'm just going to say it. It looked bad. But one thing that I

tried my best not to criticize until the actual movie was out was the lip-sinking animation because the way that studios edit together trailers, they take audio from anywhere. So it could just be because the audio is not from the part in the movie

sort of thing. They do that with live action movies too. But then I watched the movie and it's just as bad. I don't know why the lip-syncing is so off. I don't like what happened between 1996 and now? Why can I see like all of the key frames in the animation?

It looks so fucking cheap. It's so bad. And I feel bad about it because like animators deserve to be treated better. Maybe it was poor direction. Studio isn't treating the animators well. There was a post from somebody on Facebook that got posted on her subreddit. Who knows if this is true. But I mean, given current climate, it probably is.

But some guy being like, yeah, I worked on this movie and I was really upset because I wanted to show my kids that I was a part of this big thing. and my name wasn't in the credits and they never credited me. Like, that happens all the time. Wow. Right? So I feel bad for animators, but at the same time, the animation looked kind of shit. Sorry. Yeah, it didn't look right.

There was something off about the timing or the weight of the characters. It felt like rushed. Like it needed more work, needed more time. Do you mean more the 2D animation? I think the 2D animation looked worse in terms of like the keyframes. That's exactly what I was talking about specifically. But then the character design of the 3D. was the worst. Like the movement looked fine in the 3D animation.

Yeah, that's what I had an issue with. But the character design looked horrendous, uncanny valley, disgusting, weird. And that was cynical too. It's this whole thing of, from switching from 2D to 3D. For no reason. Along with the line, modern eyes. It's time for an upgrade. Yeah. And Daphy does say, I look expensive. It's like, I guess.

It just reminds me of all those like 2D animated movies, they get into 3D or like the Funge Bob movie where it becomes 3D animated at the end and you know I guess kids think it's fine but I just prefer them staying 2D. Okay if I were a writer It's distracting. If I were a writer on Space Jam or something and we wanted to make it 3D maybe you could like

Reincorporate you know remember those like Those old Looney Tunes cartoons where there was the animator was a character basically and you saw the pencil like erased Daffy duck and that was like a play on like 2D you can have you if you wanted to like have a transition into 3D why not bring that back and just like then you have like an animator in a 3D environment doing that same joke or something like that could be a reference in a new way to freshen it up at the same time i don't know you could you could like play on the idea that they're in 3d animation and have it actually make sense and serve some sort of a purpose and maybe it have some sort of like existential question attached to it but they didn't do anything with it it was just there because they wanted it there and that's it like they didn't do anything with it

Why 3D? They could have done the exact same in that. They're not interested in making jokes. They make references. And also, why did LeBron turn into a cartoon? When LeBron James fell out of the sky? Remember Michael Jordan was live accent in the cartoon world?

Well, there they teleport him into the tune world. Here he went into the server and fell through a bunch of planets and happened to land in Mooney Tunes land for some reason. Yeah, but why would he? When he lands there and he falls and there's a Nike checkmark, like that was so cynical that actually made me laugh. Like, I actually thought that was the funniest part of the movie. Woody Falls and there's a Nike checkmark.

Because this whole movie's about selling you shit. And, you know, it's on HBO Max. So they have to include every single property they have on HBO Max to remind you that, hey, go check out Casablanca. Go check out this movie. Go check out Clockwork Orange. And it's the whole movie is that. You know, it's so cynical.

And it was a huge push for LeBron James, I think, too. Like, this whole movie was about how cool LeBron James was. The coolest. I don't know. I don't like ego projects. King James, they call him. Yeah, there's a lot of that in the movie. Like, yeah, he's a great basketball player.

He's the coolest guy. Like, it's not, you know, we talk about that other movie, right place, right time. Michael Jordan was like, he was just perfect for that. And I think he worked. He wasn't trying too hard. And, you know, LeBron James, I think, is trying to kind of outdo the legacy of Michael Jordan with this movie. A new legacy. And I don't like that.

I think that LeBron was probably a bit better of an actor than Michael Jordan. You think so? Yeah. I think he has a bit more, like, presence on screen. Like, there's some really bad acting moments of Michael. I mean, there's bad moments of both of them, but I think overall... He's an Oscar winner, LeBron James. He won for that documentary.

No, that was... Wasn't that Kobe? Yeah, it was Kobe. My apologies. No problem. Another basketball player. He probably would have been better for this. Yeah, well, actually not because he's dead.

That might have thrown out the wrenching. Yeah. Sorry. But I would have rather see Colby. Yeah. Yeah, in a perfect world with no pandemic and, you know,

a lot of, a lot of things. But anyway, I was fully expecting this movie to be just one giant advertisement for other Warner Brothers properties. And somehow it was worse than I expected. Because I expected there to be like,

maybe a moment of charm or a moment of like humor or a joke. But like, even the jokes that aren't necessarily referencing Warner Brothers properties. They're just Big Bang Theory level writing. Like, in the middle of the Matrix scene,

which is already just referencing Matrix, it's like the granny is there. It's like, ha, ha, granny, because she's not supposed to know Kung Fu, whatever. Like, ha, ha, that's a joke. And then the line that they write for the reveal is, can't the lady check her Twitter?

And immediately in my mind, I'm just thinking, that's Big Bang Theory. That's just, you just said, you just said Twitter, and that's the joke because you said Twitter and people go, ha, he said Twitter. Like, why? That's not a joke.

That's just a thing that exists that happens to be technological. That's not what a joke is. It's funny we're talking about Shrek if you're episodes ago because like that matrix, that exact Matrix joke was in the first Shrek. And we're like, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like, yeah, it's funny how old that is now. But there's like a new movie that just came out and they're still doing that.

That's the same shit. It has the same matrix joke with Granny and, um, Speedy Gonzalez or whatever Who they got rid of because people thought he was racist But then they brought him back Apparently Because he's like the He's like the mouse or whatever

He's like the Spanish mouse Yeah In terms of that Spanish people What the hell was the point of that shit? He's like jumping on the bullet Like it's it's like We've seen this joke a thousand times It's been done a million times

And they're still doing Even the stuff you like expect And want to see from the premise You don't even really get at least in a way that I'd be happy with like in anyway this movie is basically it's basically the bones of the 90s one like we made with a bunch of like bullshit added to it right it's simple even for that last like basketball showdown in that first movie it's like it's so simple it's all it needs to be you get all the tune characters you get all the

gags of them being stupid cartoon characters playing basketball and that's what you want it's simple it's short condensed the villains are like cartoons take it now to this version and like what is going on visually with like the the bad guys are these like CG superheroes that will have like different powers the tunes like it's just a mess what is their purpose they're basketball players too mess yeah they got real basketball players for this movie and they play on the bad guy team but they put a bunch of cg i on top of them they got someone from the wmba too uh you know so it's like a there's a woman snake kind of cgri creature play basketball. It's like, what the fuck is this? This is terrible. I don't even know what's going on.

When they added real basketball players other than Michael in the first film, they had some sort of plot and comedic purpose to it, and it was kind of amusing. They had their powers. The monster little alien thing stole their ability to play basketball. And it's pretty funny having these professional basketball players pretend not to be able to play basketball, like, oh, I can't, I can't hold anything anymore. And then at the end of the movie to get their hours back. And, you know, there's scenes in between. There's, like, a montage of, like, one of them going to therapy, like, during this awesome soundtrack again, basketball, Jones. Like, so memorable. Like, I know exactly what song's playing in that fucking, in that scene.

Anyway, all they do for this film is they just say, oh, these players, and then they turn them into CG monsters, but it's like, we never got, like, even a moment with those original players. We didn't get anything. You just kind of acknowledged that they existed. And that's it. And that's everything in the movie is just acknowledging that other things exist. in real life. And so if the whole movie is just acknowledging that other things exist that are better than the movie, why would I watch the movie? I can just do other things that you're acknowledging exists.

Like, what's the point of the movie? It's entirely purposeless. They try to replicate certain characters even from the first film. Like they had the, you know, Wayne Knight's character, or sorry, Bill Murray's character. They basically had to stand in for that for LeBron James's friend or whoever that was, who was like trying to get in. into the server system and he was like, Siri let me in or whatever,

and that was supposed to be funny. But, like, it wasn't really memorable. Like, Bill Murray worked really well for Space Jam. Bill Murray is, like, one of the funniest parts. Yeah, I don't know. Melman. Just, you can't... It's so disposable is what it is.

And regardless of whether or not we want to call Space Jam 1, a bad movie, it is not disposable. You can't get rid of it. It's also appropriate for its audience. I'm just picturing like kids sit here watching like an Austin Palace reference. Yeah. Like who is it for us, I guess, but we hate it. My parents are actually visiting in town for the first time in a year and a half or whatever because of COVID.

But they were fully vaccinated. And because I had to watch this movie for the podcast in time, they were forced to watch it as well. Half of it. I mean, they didn't think it was good or anything. both of them individually left once, like chuckled once at certain moments. I think my mom might have chuckled at the notorious PIG moment, but I don't remember.

Anyway, they brought up a really good point at the very end of the film when everybody's in the digital world and then you have this ending sequence where like everybody's essentially getting like Thanos back into reality and like their body is like falling apart and like going into the sky and my mom said like, this would be terrifying for children.

And I was like, you know what, you're right. Because a child isn't going to have the context of, this is a digital world and like the understanding that like they still exist in reality. Because like they just got sucked through a machine or whatever. Like a child isn't going to to have that knowledge at that moment. Like they're not going to be able to put that into context. All they're going to see is just a crowd full of people, each individual group,

getting disintegrated into the air and I'm just like, holy shit, like, that would probably show up on my childhood trauma thing or something. Like, I don't know who this movie is for. I don't think there's a single moment that's like really entertaining for children, is there? I don't fucking know what's going on. There was that

it's for no one. It's so obnoxious. Unless it turns like it's a Fortnite at the end. Yeah, it's just like a mess of colors and just like Batman's there and the Iron Giant's Bunchin'clock. I don't think it's for anybody though. Like you say, man, children, you say ADHD?

I don't think this is for fucking anybody. What's the rating on IMTV right now? I don't think anybody likes it. It's low. It's like how do you release a movie like a major film from Warner Brothers? Oh, it's 4.3 out of 10 now? It was like 3.6 earlier. Maybe it's finding the right market like what happened.

I think they had a $150 million budget, which is crazy. Really? It doesn't look like it. And for what? You know? Because there's nothing in the movie. It's two actors and a bunch of CGI in a green screen room. Like, what did they pay for?

I guess, no, LeBron James probably a producer on it. I mean, animation's expensive and, I don't know. Well, they don't pay the animators, so. But it's directed by someone with, like, no animation background whatsoever. Yeah. Isn't that funny?

They did a girl's trip and undercover brother and random shit. Maybe they were thinking like, oh, yeah, let's replicate the success of the original space jam, because they got Joe Pitca or whoever. right? He didn't have experience with animation, did he? Maybe they were thinking that would just work. Like, they had the right formula they were going to try and replicate it in that sense. I don't know.

Yeah. What a gigantic piece of garbage. Also, sorry, but I'm going to bring this up. Fucking Lola Bunny, she looks trash, okay? And you, you, I want to make absolutely clear because people exaggerate the other sides of the argument. So if somebody says, why does Lola Bunny look so ugly, that other people immediately think like, oh, what, so you want her to be sexualized?

You can still have a character not sexualized and also not turn them into something like incredibly ugly. What, like, I'm not even straight, okay? I think that she's really fucking ugly as an animation concept, as a character design. There are plenty of other animations. Like, you can say the characters in the nut shack look ugly. They're ugly designed characters.

They're badly designed characters. That's not saying, oh, I want them to be fuckable. That's a commentary on just the the aesthetics of the character design. Nothing to do with her tits, okay? Her face looks ugly. Why did they make her face ugly? Why did they do that? I don't know.

Yeah, you've mentioned robolebone's tits before. Yeah. She looks bad in the movie. She doesn't even need to be in it. Really? Oh, yeah. She looks bad. She looks bad.

She's just a reference to the original, yeah. The supposed criticism of the original is like, okay, so you introduce this female character, and clearly in the original, it's just like, oh, she's just the love interest of Bugs Bunny, she's just a hot piece of ass or whatever, right? Like, that is degrading to women. I can agree. I can understand the criticism there, okay? No disagreement on whether or not that's problematic or whatever you want to call it. However, she doesn't serve a purpose in this new film. Like, at least she had a purpose, whether or not the purpose was problematic in the first film. Now she has no purpose. Now she has nothing. You'd think that if you were a writer,

creating Space Jam 2 and being like, okay, well, what can we do critically about the first film. Lola Bunny only served the purpose as just being the, uh, Bugs' romantic interest for no reason. And she just walked around being like, oh, everybody thinks she's hot sort of thing.

Right. Give her a new purpose in the other movie. Give her a new purpose in Space Jam 2. Why is she here? Give her, yeah, like, I don't even care.

Like, give her something to do other than just existing. No, she's just one to one. Why doesn't she have like goals or desires then? Like, if you're trying to combat sexism, give her a,

a character. Give her something to strive for, like a motivation. What are you doing? What a trash character. Her face looks stupid. Yeah. And all the tunes in this, they didn't really do anything. They were such an afterthought in the movie for me. Like, Bugs Bunny, he has

a big sacrifice toward the end of the movie where he has to make a certain jump, but it glitches out. But then it doesn't do anything. Like, he, you know, he does the, he glitches himself out, he does the thing. And then you think he's going to die, but he doesn't. So noble. And then like the next scene, he just shows up. again. It's like, what's up, Doc?

I was trying to come up with something clever, like, because, you know, his kid wants to make video games or whatever, like in the movie of Brungeem's kid. I thought, like, okay, so he's going to go to, like, the gaming camp, summer camp, and he's going to, like, redesign Bugs Bunny or something, bring him back, you know, something that makes sense.

But, like, Bugs Bunchie just shows up. Like, it doesn't, like, no one had any purpose. Bugs Bunny sacrificed himself, but then he just comes back the next scene. So it's like, what's, what's this movie trying to do? What's the story. E3 even being in it was funny because E3's like

died to death like the last year. Yeah. And it was E3 summer camp. Yeah, like what was that? Yeah. It's just made up bullshit. Is that a thing? I was like just there and bemusement, but I'd actually forgotten about the Nike tick bit. But that is egregious. It's almost like

them just putting a middle finger up at the screen like I cut like fuck you, you're already in. You've already got your money. Yeah, exactly. How's going to even do at this point? I think Nike paid for the whole movie and yeah I don't know like Warner Brothers just made it because it was no no expense at them you know yeah like just put LeBron James in it and Ike'll pay for it thrown a bunch of references and people eat it up

because they're stupid and I guess yeah I mean are people stupid do people like this no I guess not no one likes it no one likes it everyone just thinks it's a joke I don't think so yeah the only reason it's relevant and being talked about is because of like the chungus frame that's been shared on Twitter, just awful shit from the film that's being made foot of. Everything that I see other people saying about the movie is essentially just social media post, they put this in the movie, which is kind of what they want in a way, because you're promoting the film by saying, hey, they put Rick and Morty in it. Whether or not you're saying,

hey, they put it in it and this is cringe, or hey, they put it in it, I like this, you're kind of promoting the movie for them, right? I guess we do that too. We're film reviewer people. But I think that I think that the movie fails in much worse ways than just which properties are in it and how many. I think that it's an absolute disaster regardless of whether or not it's a gigantic ad for other properties of Warner Brothers. Because the Lego movie is a good movie and it can still be an ad for Lego and Warner Brothers. Just because something is an ad for something else and whether how gratuitous it is or not, you know, the degree to which it is doesn't really influence whether or not it's a good film. It's just that it was a substitute for any writing or jokes or character or story. There was nothing there.

And what's really embarrassing about it is like when you see the scenes like when LeBron enters the tune world and they have the, there's like a train chase really quickly. They're doing all of this action nonsense and it's going by super super quickly. Blam, bam, bam, blam, blam. Just imagining how they wrote that, the people that created this obviously think they're doing something. much more than they actually are. Like, they think that there's something there. Or at least that's the impression that I get. Because they're actually, you know, writing all these different scenarios and set pieces,

even if they only last for like two seconds each or whatever. Like, they put effort into being like, oh, let's have them do this. And let's have them do this. And let's have them do this. And it's just a room of writers or whatever the scenario was to create that end product. But none of it works. They're just incredibly untalented writers or I don't know how. How else to justify how the movie turned out this way?

Yeah. Yeah, there's no story or anything. And the conversation is about the references because there is nothing else to talk about genuinely. There is nothing. There is absolutely nothing. It's references. It's LeBron James is cool. And Looney Tunes are in it for a little bit.

It's like if you took just some corporate advertiser people that have never made a single good commercial in their life and got them to write a full-length film. You know? And it's not just because it's a big ad, but like the quality of the writing. Like, if you turn on ads on like television or YouTube or anything, like, when's the last time you've seen like a good ad, right? That's what space jams like. It's like if you sat through an entire commercial that was two hours long, just the quality of what it was is reflective of that. It's so bad. It is bad.

Terrible. It's shameful. Yeah. Very. For shame. The shameful display. Straight up for shame. Fuck this movie.

Fuck them. Fuck that shit. All right. I think we're done. This is bad. Yeah. I guess so. I mean, geez.

What a pandering piece of shit. Pandering to who even. Yeah. All right. To the dumb writers. To themselves. They thought they wrote something funny, clearly. Yeah.

I kind of have the same experience with you as you, Adam, where my dad kind of came in halfway and watched it with me. And yeah, he hated it too. He's like, it's just a bunch of colors and shit. It's just like, it's a big headache. It's really cynical. Yeah, it's really bad. Like, if this is where movies are going, I never want to see a movie again. This is fucking terrible.

And it feels like this is where movies are going. Like, you know, people don't want anything controversial or offensive or, you know, they want fluff like this. It's just nothing. Oh, yeah. A bunch of references to, you know. Rapist characters on the basketball field. Not controversial. Well, Clockwick Orange guys, yeah, they're rapists too.

But you're not supposed to, they're movie characters, I guess. You're not supposed to think about that. You're just supposed to laugh because it's Alex and his roots. You know? No, yeah, because I was thinking about that. Like, why is he cheering that? When did he give a shit about basketball? There was like an advert for Jaws when I went to see a movie when I was a kid and that

freaked me out so much. And that wasn't even like part of the movies. Imagine like a kid who's like freaked out of the it clown and they go. Yeah, they show him so much. The fun kids movie. It's like, oh my gosh, that killer clown that's going to fucking eat me and drag me down the drain. You know how in like too many cooks the like creepy guy with the beard is like hanging out in the background of all those frames like ready to kill you? It's like that could be a child's experience watching this.

Because like the clown has a creepy face. He's just hanged. He's just ominously hanging out in the court. Yeah. Why is he there? This isn't for kids What'd you do? If you chemically engineered

The concept of a headache And transformed it into a film That would be Space Jam A new legacy Yeah I wasn't even looking at the subject of the frame I was usually looking in the background During the basketball scene

Just to see like what was back there But that's so distracting Like who thought that was a good idea Yeah I'm looking in the background Of fucking blurry images Instead of focusing on what's happening in the story Because it's so boring

Talking about the subjects in the frame. Holy shit, like the composition and just, it's like mostly an animated movie. It's so flat. It's so bland. It's like nothing creative about the way it's assembled. It doesn't use the fact it's animated for any, any good ideas. Like, even the dumb stupid shit from the 90s one, the memorable, like, stretching and just the

continuous idea of like, it's in a cartoon world, so you're going to see the cartoony dumb shit you'd expect from, like, you don't even get that kind of stuff. It's just, I just don't get what it's going for at all. And you know, the aliens from the first one made a cameo in here for like two seconds. They could have been more part of the plot, but they weren't. Like, they're just in there for a reference and then they go away. Yeah, of course. And it's useless.

Everything's useless. Because, yeah, Danny DeVito, he was like a fun animated villain that made sense in the first movie. Now it's Don Chied or live action. Yeah. Yeah, he was like a really small character. Like, it was so uninteresting. It doesn't matter, but you have, you know, Danny DeVito in there. It's memorable.

We didn't even really talk about the stupid fucking cycle. kick of Don Cheadle too that like Wally voice like stupid robot thing like why is that in it like what's on the checklist I get it you want to do something fucking cute like is that one for the babies they've already got loads of cute characters that's the weird thing they already go all of the yeah cartoons you got the Looney Tunes why do you need that yeah what's the side kick for served zero purpose of just like oh you gotta have something go bleep bloop yeah that was their attempt at a new thing yeah

new plush to save you gotta have a character that only says goo-gougga basically you know they had to design nothing new for this movie like it's all pre-existing things they didn't have to animate any new characters it's just what about the uh time traveling robot guy that's in like one scene what remember that it's a very forgettable movie you're gonna have to refresh this yeah there's like randomly this like robot time you like fuck he like pauses time and just fucks with everyone. Oh yeah, the fucking chromium or whatever it was. It's like the weird X-Men thing. I don't know what that. I think that was just a new monster. I mean, sorry, goon squad is what they call them now. I think that was just one of the goon squad members. There

was one that was like fire and water at the same time because that's like cool apparently. Yeah, it was the snake person. Why were they superheroes? Why? I don't know. Because the superheroes are hard right now. In the last Scooby-Doo movie as well. They got to be up there for just like studios right now. If they didn't have Nolan or DC, what the hell would they be doing? Yeah. I know combat, Godzilla versus Kong. You know what pissed me off that nobody else cared about

because I guess I'm autistic or something? It's like, so the time travel, chromium dude, presses the button on his wrist or whatever, and he's like, oh, okay, so for the next minute, I'm going to be able to go super fast. I'm pausing time and I'm scoring goals or whatever he was doing. And that was a disadvantage to the other characters. And then what does Granny do to kill him?

She just does the exact, she presses the same button on his wrist. It goes for like 90 years. But for some reason, he's frozen in time now and aging. But it's like he should be able to move around freely and score goals. Well, like, him aging, like, you did the same thing. But now there's different consequences to it. That doesn't make any sense.

That pissed me off. And then, yeah, nobody, of course, nobody else cares because it's just, it's stupid. And time travel never works unless it's primer or 12 monkeys. I think everything about the movie makes no sense and is bad. Every level of it. Like, even just that, like the logic. thing just the look of it I can't say it looks odd the whole thing looks like shit it does look like shit it's all a green screen room like all of Don Cheadle's stuff was just in a green screen

room all of it and then once he becomes the CGI i uncanny valley thing it's just his voice acting like he was such a non-presence in like did they need to do that i felt like he was so just like he showed up for a check and then left like good for him but that's exactly i'm expecting uncanny valley problems from a space jam movie i mean we got that the first one with fucking inflated Oh yeah, yeah, you're right,

we're in the year 2021. Fucking the CGI should be much better. Everything seems to be made as cheaply as possible somehow

and they spent like 150 million on it anyway. That must just be a lie. I don't even believe that. 150 million. I don't believe that. Money laundering,

maybe. Going to LeBron James. Money laundering, that's it. Yeah, that's what I believe. Money laundering. Yeah,

that's just a theory. LeBron James took all the money. A film theory. Yeah. If you're a fan of LeBron James, you might like the movie. They didn't have to pay anyone for the rights. All right, one out of ten. What else do we got?

Fuck this shit. I'm so done with this. Let's talk about trans-funny. Fuck that. No, I like shitting on this movie. I like shitting on this movie because I don't know. I'm not going to get a chance to shit on again. Anything else you want to add? Go for it. Take the floor. Out of five,

I'll just do my rating. I'll add a five. I'll do one out of five. It's a piece of crap. Really? You're going one out of five. I'm doing a half star out of five. whatever the lowest thing. To be honest, I don't actually count this as a movie. Like, this marks a point for me where it's like... Good call.

It's like a new timeline, it's like a new category we need for, like, movies like this. Yeah, this is a new legacy. This is like one of the Roger Ebert infamous zero stars or something. It's like, this is a movie? Yeah, because I just remember being so disappointed by Ready Player 1 and just like the way it seemed like some of these movies were going. and like just to flash forward to now and see this.

It's like so depressing to me. Fuck this film. And that's, I bet we're going to see more films like this in the future because I think it did pretty well. You never know because if this doesn't make that much money, you know? I'm sure HBO has the numbers of like,

who signed up for HBO Max to watch this and then we have the theater numbers. So I don't know. We'll see if it was a success for them or not. Maybe they'll stop this bullshit. Maybe they'll decide it was a bad idea. Maybe it won't be profitable. Yeah, I knew we were in for a while.

ride when in the movie there was like I think Sarah Silverman in her office is like an Aquaman poster like a giant Aquaman poster on the wall I knew we're in for a sure of course there was a the Suicide Squad poster there was everything it's just posters for things coming out a lot of walking dead actors as well

like Stephen Young who plays Glenn yeah Stephen Young actually okay and um there's another the woman who plays LeBron James's wife in the movie she's in Walking Dead oh I don't know who she oh yeah no you're right that was a bad character too. Before we were, we were like laughing at like all the LeBron James stuff with his son. Like, like he was so, he wanted his son to play basketball so bad, but it was like, he was a game.

Yeah, it was like, it was just so funny how we, like, you got to go to basketball camp. Like, it was so funny. I'm such a terrible game designer that if you do a certain move, it deletes the character. And then that doesn't make any sense. It happened in the plot. But even then it's like, wait, we need to make the game crash so you can school. You need to glitch. But, Bugs, you're gonna have to, you have to do it and you'll die. He's die in real life. But you didn't die. He was fine.

He was fine. No, dad, I've run the calculations. Yeah, that was a funny line. But they set that up earlier in the movie. Not a video game character. Dad, you don't know that. I've done the calculations. Yeah, his character got deleted.

I'm like, damn, my character got deleted. I'm like, how'd that happen? Like, that doesn't even make sense. He's just a shit game designer and he should play basketball instead. LeBron's right. Fuck this. I want to talk about trains. Let's leave.

I don't want this anymore. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Bye-bye, space jam. Bye-bye, forever. Fuck. Space Jam, a new legacy. Should I lower my rating to half a star? I think you should.

Yeah, go on. If you're asking the question, you should do it. I was actually surprised you gave it a full. Yeah, I'll go half a star then. I mean, what the fuck? If this doesn't deserve that, then what movie does? Exactly. Goddy.

Never. he does All right I put this and gotty at the same level film okay so my

recommendation was a double feature for train spotting and T2 train spotting we'll be talking about these films

in depth so train spotting we'll start with 1996 Danny Ball movie based on the novel by Irvine Welsh

written by John Hodge story about addicts is what the name as part of what brilliant about the name is it's a metaphor because it is one of the only well it's just a great

metaphor for something that is like that is likened to addiction which is what the movie is about I have some family members who are train spotters and it is a funny metaphor to use because it is such a sort of avid thing to be into but can you explain that for me actually because I've never actually uh oh really into that in depth yeah I'm not really sure what a train spotter is even the concept of train spotting and train spotters oh it's people who love trains so deeply that here's an example like a couple christmases ago for like family reunion they're so into trains that one of them gave the other a record with um just the sounds of trains on them like a EP with just the sounds of like trains on them it goes like that deep

and they know like every model number they're out there at 2 a.m to see some really specific serial number thing that's just going to be on this one line it's one time it's like that deep that level of commitment they're that into it. Fascinating. But yeah, those people do this for sure. Yeah, yeah. It's obviously the title of the movie, but it's more specifically set in the 90s and a pretty poor part of Scotland. It's just four characters who are battling with heroin addiction and what comes of it and just kind of highlighting this situation they're in and the different ways people from this era dealt with addiction and that's the main focus and just the way it transpires throughout the 90 minutes and just the creative energy that's behind this movie is always stood out as a point in my mind the first time I saw this movie it's like a moment it's like oh yeah

it's like this is really like a creative just visually so inspired just the way that it's so visually expressive the imagery is so expressive the imagery is so expressive yeah so many great visual metaphors so it's just so inspired it was the perfect I think it's a Danny Boyle's magnamopus to me. It's just the perfect source material, the perfect direction, just the perfect characters and everything. I love this movie person. I think it has an excellent soundtrack too. Oh,

the soundtrack, of course. Yeah, every single song. It's basically the entire album. Because we talk about this kind of soundtrack or the playlist-type soundtracks in movies sometimes, but something about the train-spotting one that is elevated where it's almost more associated with train-spot.

All the songs from are associated with train-spotting more. than the separate artist's work. And it's also ingrained within the characters, the movie. Their fans of Iggy Pop within the movie, and their whole sequences are designed around, like, the underworld music, which is a big part of Danny Boyle's films as well. And there isn't much I dislike about the movie at all, to be honest.

It's definitely one of my favorites. So where do you guys kind of stand on it? I love the movie. When I first saw it, I was with you. I thought this is fucking awesome movie. And it's very funny, too. I think that's a huge part of it. It's very funny film.

I love the time. And at times it could be very disturbing. The things I remember most about are like the baby, the, you know, that stuff. Like the withdrawal scene. Like,

I think that's the highlight for me. Love it. I have always loved it. I don't think it's perfect. There's like maybe a couple issues I have with it, but it's something that obviously deserves its spot as being a classic as being like a part of like the culture of filmmaking and especially with the directing and what's going on conceptually in this film and how ideas are communicated you know it's

yeah exactly it's um the most memorable parts of the movie for me like not just the uh withdrawal scene like that's obviously a big one but the overdose scene is something that immediately stuck out to me the first time I watched it because I love the visual representation of what was happening to this character of him sinking into the carpet past the floor and then we get a perspective shut from inside the carpet that, you know, obviously this is turning into something symbolic and metaphorical because clearly the carpet didn't come with him to the hospital. You know, the intent is there. But just showing something in that way is just, I think.

it's really, really brilliant. And I love that very early on into the movie, we get a similar style with the toilet underwater to get the suppositories swimming through there. That's really early on. And it's the perfect representation of like, here's what you should expect from this movie. Maybe not at every single moment, but this is the type of movie that this is. And, you know, it wouldn't be the same thing at all without. Danny Boyle so yeah but just that like that moment you just mentioned it's so it's so

expressive just in how you totally get the idea just through the visuals that and the juxtaposition of him you know he's going into this vile toilet the most disgusting like toilets that you've ever seen it's like really claustrophobic and small yeah and just the concept of him getting his drug back getting back to his addiction and the the kind of the dreamy like joy he gets from that and then the like brianino music it's kind of positive imagery being associated with the negative thing so then when you're flush back and pull back out of it into that toilet like back into the set it's like really hammers home like the theme of the movie and what the characters are going through yeah it's it's a heightened helpful way to express characters and emotions in a way that

acting never really could you know it's there's only so much we can get by just hearing dialogue and the inflection of someone's voice and the expression on their face, there's only so much we can get as human beings. But when you create something that expresses something so visual and atmospheric, especially with the combination of music, it's like, this is filmmaking. This is the magic of filmmaking. This is using film to its best advantage to create something and actually share and express emotions. and stories. I think this is just the best way that film can be used, really. Yeah. Is that type of night? With the one you said earlier about when he overdoses and is sort of lowered down, almost like later in the movie where the coffin and that character does die as a result of.

Yeah, Tommy. This drug. Yeah, yeah. That was a whole part of the film I forgot about, like, my first few. And that was, like, his fall is, like, spectacular. Like, it's so fast. He goes from me. having everything to dying.

Yeah. It's so sad. There's a chaos to the movie that is so perfect for the subject matter. It's directed in a chaotic way. It's edited in a chaotic way. Just everything about it is chaos. But it's so controlled and so directed and just fits in with the tone of everything. So when you mentioned the tone earlier, the comedy of it.

And I've always been drawn to movies that are able to have that comedy in there, but also have the drama hit when it matters. It's one of my favorite just ways to. get me just emotionally invested in the story for some reason that just really works for me and for me it is a very good comedy up until that baby scene where it almost turns into a horror movie and that's something a lot of Danny Ball movies kind of do is they have a point where they shift into almost another genre and yeah it goes into the whole kind of trippy sequence where he's on the bed and the baby and everything yeah it's non-stop with the movie yeah they set up they set up the

baby really well. Like you see it basically right at the beginning of the movie. And, you know, the second I saw it, I'm like, oh, man, that baby is not, like, that baby's trouble. Dead ass baby. And that's, you know, it's horrifying. But in that situation with those characters, that's what should happen in the story. Because, you know, what they're doing is wrong.

They are bad people. What it brings out of the characters is so horriding. I guess I'm just too much of a determinist. And I think that everybody's a victim of just existence. but, you know, like, drug addiction is an illness in many different ways. For sure, obviously, like, yeah, that baby should have been put up for adoption or something or taken by child protective services. Yeah, taken away.

Yeah. But that scene does a good point of highlighting the, like, illness nature of it, because that is how they all deal with it. They don't have a way. Yeah, they immediately shoot up afterwards, right? Yeah. Yeah, that is how they deal with everything. And it's, like, really sad.

Like, it's, I feel as much for them as I do the, baby you know like I it's it's a sad situation to be in it's a really well then Ian McGregor has a line like I'll give her a hit but after mine of course yeah you know that's what I mean about the being unlikable it's because their their addiction has made them unlikable they have like an addiction philosophy yeah yeah because they're using like language like my sincere and truthful drug habit and stuff like this it's all like very nihilistic the main character you McGreg's character is super nihilistic his whole choose life thing yeah perfect you know

he's his whole character wants to escape it's kind of what defines him and it's he has such an interesting the movie kind of boils up to this dilemma he has this choice he has and the execution of it is so expressive of the character like we're saying earlier and again without using tons of unnecessary exposition or whatnot my favorite moment in that conclusion is just how ends with spud in him. It's like complete silence. He sees him leaving the room and he just shakes his head and disapproval and just leaves. It's just such a good way to leave the characters and that just everything makes sense.

The story builds in itself so naturally the way, like the four characters like all having like sex scenes at the same time and all advances the story in like a different way or it's like either for comedy or. Yeah. There's just so much going on in the movie that comes together so well and that pace as well. It's only 90 minutes and it just doesn't need a minute more or less. It flies by. It's beautiful. Yeah. It's one of the best examples I can think of of a movie that it feels like it must be longer than it is because so much happens within a short time. Yeah.

As in like you don't feel like, oh, this was too long, but it's like, you think like, surely this must have been a two-hour film based on how much content was in it. But then it turns out it was only 90 minutes because. It's just the entire thing is just one gigantic like time lapse almost, you know, like things That's part of why Tommy's a downfall seems so sudden is because it's over a long period of time and they don't waste time with anything, you know? Like even in the opening, even in the opening scene when he's first trying to get off of heroin You have that nice scene where he is like, oh three cans of tomato soup mushroom soup for cold blah blah blah blah He locks himself in his room or his apartment or whatever,

hammers the nails into it. And then instead of getting like a drawn out literal representation of him taking them off, we just kind of see him on the phone outside. The boards are broken. Obviously he was the one that did it, right? We don't need more information than that. And it travels much faster in that way. And it's better to have some things that are interpretable in that way.

I mean, it's obvious what happened. Yeah. But, you know, it's got a great pace. There's a lot of scenes in here that are, like, really short. I think they're good. It's just, it's with that pacing. Like, I remember there's a scene where he's like, I think he's out of doctor's office and they give him an injection or they take his blood.

And he goes, ouch. That's the scene. It's like 20 seconds long. It is funny because he's a heroin addict. He's getting an injection or something. You're doing it, Ryan. Yeah, exactly. And that was it.

That was the scene. But just there, you got like, enough information to, you know, come up with a, you know, Oh, that scene had a point. And then it moves on to the next thing. And it's like that brisk pacing where the movie stays ahead of you, I think, because of that brisk pacing. You know, you never really figuring out where it's going. You're just enjoying the ride. You're really just enjoying these characters that are really funny.

You know, they're not likable entirely. But I think they are very funny. I think E. McGregor's character, I think he's very, like, capable, smart. Like, I think he's a good protagonist. He's definitely drawn back, you know, because of his addiction. but him taking the money, him. He does, like, a lot of smart things throughout the movie. He does.

He's, you know, what's weird is, like, he's also kind of an asshole in ways that I can't blame the drug for. Like, like, when he shoots the dog with a BB gun. Like, that scene, it makes it funnier, for sure. Yeah, that is funny, though. Somehow, the character is still likable, despite a scene like that. Well, that I'm stealing the porno, too. Oh, yeah. bad thing.

Yeah, just like, people are kind of assholes. I think that's part of the point of that character, though, isn't it? He doesn't change at the end. So him just walking into the camera with him smiling, it's like, there's a sadness, there's a darkness to it. And again, just the story choices that they decided to take with the five main kind of characters in relation to the addiction side. Like, Renton is the addict who manages to recover it.

So it's really good him being the protagonist. And then you've got like sick boy who is fun to put with Renton because it's like a part of the movie where he doesn't struggle with the addiction as much. So he'll like just stop doing heroin just to annoy Renton. Yeah. So getting that perspective's industry. And then on top of that you have begbie, who's kind of the villainous just control character who he's not interested in heroin. He's someone who completely rejects the idea in that hilarious line where he's like, dangerous fucking chemicals. and he like takes a shot.

He's like, I've never fucking touched him like that. He's the most like toxic and violent character despite not being the heroin addict. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Acceptable addict. Spud is essential for the sort of emotive. Yeah, best character.

Yeah, vulnerable side. He is the best character. He is the most vulnerable. He's the most, it's part of the story of the movie where it's like he'll never hurt a fly, rent and even leaves him some money because he knows he is just a victim. Like you were saying earlier out. I get that vibe in this movie that it is.

They are kind of a victim of circumstance over anything. Yeah. Spud is awesome. He's very innocent. Yeah. That's what makes him. Super expressive performance. When he's in that room where he's doing the interview right after he took Coke,

one of my favorite scenes. He took speed. Oh, sorry, you're right, yeah. Yeah, but you're just like describing the scene that made me laugh because it brought me back to those. Yeah, it's just the headman. pushing over to that painting on the wall. And the dialogue, the dialogue, we haven't even mentioned.

I love the dialogue in this movie. It's so quick and witty and clearly a lot from the book. Yeah. Have you ever, like, read anything from the book? It is tough to read, man. Just the dialect. I assume you need subs to understand what they're saying a lot of the time. I actually watched it without subtitles.

It's not that bad. Maybe a couple lines. I kind of missed out. But for the most part, I understand it. Yeah, well, the books are a bit tougher in terms of that kind of stuff. Yeah. That dialogue, so expressive. Yeah.

It's like reading, it's like reading Clockwork Orange where they have their own language. Pretty much. Okay. The guy who played Spud was in Naked. Yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah, yeah, he played. Yeah, he's a good character actor. Yeah, Archie.

And I swore he was in 28 days later, but I guess I'm wrong. I'm looking through the IMDB right now. I thought he played, I'm getting him confused with another guy. There was like one of the soldiers that like hit in the cupboard or something. Maybe he just looked similar to me. Ah, whatever.

I'm not going to worry about it. Tiny Poohle loves like shit scenes, clearly. I'm glad. I just wanted to mention the shit scene. Oh yeah. Oh, my God. Now there's a slum dog also. Shit, literally.

Oh, yeah. That's true. What else? It's gross. He likes gross out, I think. I think that's a big part of the movie. We're about to like solve the mystery. Those are the main deal is maybe thinking of that scene from Sumbdog.

Is there any shit scene in a, no, a drop of blood falls in an eye in one of them. That's not shit. That would have been weird. That would have been weird. It's a drop of shit falls in it's like, yeah. Yeah, the bird poop. The same like perspective camera angle following the poop down to his eye. There's no scene in like Steve Jobs.

Oh yeah, about that shit scene from Steve Jobs He was a shit I don't know Remember Seth Rogen came out You just that shit and all over the way Oh yeah Yeah for sure What a crazy director

His name should be as popular As someone like I don't know Quentin Tarantino or something You know Like he's not a household name And I think he should be I think he might be in the UK He's a British director maybe

He's pretty huge here. Like, for the Olympic ceremony that was here, he, like, directed that with James Bond and the Queen and stuff. And actually, you could, I really get the vibe from this movie that he does have, like, a theatre background. And it's just the way the sets are designed and everything. They're so creative, a really good creative use of lots of small spaces, small scrap cramp places, lots of, like, interesting lights and whatnot used for contrast and just the, just every single. seen like the even the clothing is always thoughtful in in terms of how the image is put together with the colors and just the angles of everything is so well shot in that way yeah so much going on

there's a lot going on the movie i wouldn't even say it's just about heroin addiction like there's a point where they get off heroin and it becomes more of a crime film about you know them bringing a package to the dealer and you know getting the money i like that they do uh address that it, you know, and kind of like Requiem for a dream, although not nearly as explicitly as that movie, they do kind of address the whole other people or addicts in their own way thing because beg be not just alcohol, but like violence especially. Like that's his fix, not even alcohol. And then they have the line where it's like he stole the volume from his mother who is

in her own domestic and socially acceptable way also a drug addict. There's lots of great dialogue in this movie. I understand some people get a little turned off by voice. over narration. It doesn't really bother me in this film, particularly because, you know, it's from a book. You have to communicate these thoughts somehow, right? The points where voiceover narration bothers me the most is when it's dialogue that had no reason to be voiceover narration, where we didn't get any more context or information and, you know, like this, you know,

if it could have just been said to another character, but that's not the case for this movie. Yeah, I really noticed in watching T2 How the lack of the laser focus on Renton and that narration Actually kind of hurts the identity of the movie And what it's going for in that whole tone I think it helps with the pacing a lot He kind of guides you through this story Yeah, true

I feel it's essential for this film In the way Goodfellas, it's essential too It reminds me of good fellas in terms of just the pacing You know, and that stuff I love this film Yeah, I don't know what else to say aside from yeah, it's it's pretty much a masterpiece I'm not gonna shit on it at all I think it's great So there's like one part that kind of annoys me and you call it nitpicky that's fine

But whenever the poop scene happens which is really funny and I like All I'm thinking throughout the entire time is like does nobody have a nose like all these characters should be smelling What's happening like he's got it in the room with them like There would be a stank. If it's liquid shit, if it's diarrhea, like that shit smells. You'd smell that way before that reveal. So that was, I don't know. I don't get the full effect of what the scene is intending because part of my brain is like, that doesn't make sense.

But I can't change that. He also, he didn't need to bring his sheets in there with him. Yeah, that's a little weird where it just, there are parts of this movie that are a little silly. But I also, it's spud. In general. Spots, so he's stomp. Yeah. The bar fight's pretty goofy.

Yeah, tons of tons about this movie is goofy. I think for the most part, it succeeds. But that dream-like kind of cartooniness does help with that kind of stuff. Because it is the main character, he's not, you know, he's not entirely with it. So a lot of it feels like it is, it is dreamy. And it's like, is this even real? And some of these scenes, like, it does seem like cartoonified. edit points with those like really contrasting colors and everything it's not like I would never

describe it as realistic necessarily even though it was in renton's perspective like it was always renton's perspective that's a good way to look at it is usually yeah yeah exactly yeah because a lot of his dialogue yeah being like this nihilistic his attitudes of the world informed by his life as an addict and everything well even just like the worst toilet in scotland that part like yeah it's kind of over the top. It's the worst toilet. You find literally it's the most disgusting fucking toilet you can imagine. It's so over the top. But it's the story.

I don't mind that. Yeah, it works with the tone. It feels consistent. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I was never taken out of it. I would like to mention a couple more things that I have in my notes. The line, everyone's changing, even men and women are changing.

50,000 years from now there will be no women just wankers. It's pretty ahead of its time in a way. Yeah. Trans issues are becoming more of a center stage thing in this year, right? Yeah. Yeah, because that was one of the things. I haven't seen this movie in a few years.

I was remembering that, and there's like a bit of a thing at the moment, like, well, the older movies who have handled these kind of subject matters with, you know, not as elegantly. But yeah, because it is at the expense of Begby's character, as opposed to, like, the main character, just being just a dick, basically. Yeah. It's, yeah, it just makes more sense. Just this framing of it doesn't seem like hateful or whatever. I love the core of what the movie is communicating in terms of like the struggles of especially the main character are very realistic when it's commenting, I guess, on like drug addiction and culture.

Because one of the hardest things to break away from if you're an addict who, let's say you do drugs and you have. a social circle that does drugs. What makes it really hard for a lot of people is that if they're the one quitting and their social circle isn't, I mean, you know, like that, that really, that really hinders someone's attempt. And that's kind of shown with, not just when they all like making, we all made an informed decision to get back on it immediately. Like, you know, maybe one of them wouldn't if they, if they didn't decide as a group,

they're all kind of enabling each other in that way. And then especially when Ewan McGregor's character is starting to move up in his life, he's got a job, he's doing well for himself, he's got his own place, he's not a junkie anymore. And then all of the sudden, these old characters, these old people that from his social circle just creep back into his life and start dragging him down first Big Begby and then Sick Boy, and they're just like living with him and stealing his shit. in a way where it's just like, damn, he's trying to climb out of this hole and they're just pulling him back in. It's really unfortunate, even if he's not necessarily on drugs at that moment in time.

It's just there are some people that you honestly just have to cut from your life if you want to survive, really. And it's an unfortunate thing to have to learn because, you know, in my mind, I want to believe that everyone is capable of being saved, that everyone, if they were just told the right thing or communicated something and some way that they could fix their own lives. Or if you give someone a raft, you know, to stop them from drowning that they would get onto the raft and then be like, yes, I have this raft. But some people just want to fucking drown. Some people want to destroy their own lives, whether consciously or not. Some people are just looking to be someone who can complain about their life being shit and never do anything about it, despite the wealth of opportunities that they have to help get themselves out of that situation. And it's a really,

sobering and shitty unfortunate thing to have to learn that I had to learn in my life, but some people you just got to fucking, like, it's really sad, but I think the movie kind of handled that in an appropriate way. Oh, yeah, it handles that really well. The whole betrayal at the end of this movie.

Yeah, it feels like the whole movie is leading to that choice that he betrays his friends. Yeah. There's no other way he putting it. He betrays them. He fucking takes their money, runs away. But you still support it. I get it.

Yeah, you get it. Yeah, I understand it. And to say you understand, it's just, well, you watch a whole movie and you're like, yeah, I understand why he'd do that. There are his mates, but they're also, you know, they are dragging them down. Yeah. You're right. Like, if you try to help certain people, they'll just, you know, take advantage of you and you're in a worse place because of it and they're not helped by the end of it. Yeah.

I just can't stress enough. That moment works. Yeah. It takes the money. It just works. Oh, yeah. What's happening. Great song playing at the same time, too.

Really helps with attention. Yeah. Yes, I'm actually very energetic despite the revelation. Yeah, just like, I'm actually just noticing right now just like how awesome it is to imagine like you got this bassy kind of like boom boom club song playing during a very tense and silent moment taking place in the universe of the film. You know, just the contrast between those two things. It's like very internal. That's like a heartbeat kind of for the character. Yeah, that works super well.

Right. That's how it serves us. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess I'm just scanning my notes in case there was anything else I wanted to mention. Oh, yeah. This was the first time I noticed in the movie that, or maybe I did another time, but just didn't connect to the title. But the room that he goes through withdrawal in in his parents' house is there's trains all over the wall.

And I guess I didn't connect that the first time. But yeah, not only does that work for the title, but I think it also serves like a bit of an extra purpose in terms of like, I guess the emotions of the characters in their relationships because it is really fucking sad in a way for him to be experiencing all of that in that room because that wallpaper, whether it's trains or anything else that's like really childlike, you understand at that moment that these parents that are like so disappointed in him after that taxi ride home where they just didn't even say a word to each other after he'd overdosed after they thought he got clean again. They're at their last straw to try and help save their son. And just the

visual of something so childlike, like train wallpaper in a room. Like, that's clearly his old room from when he, when he was a child. Just imagining, like, he's still their little baby in a way, right? Like, what happened in between him just being an innocent child and now him being someone who's like literally dying from heroin and just keeps overdosing? And, you know, can't get his life back on track. Just the, yeah, just imagining what those parents are going through is just, yeah. Yeah, lots of context from that. Yeah, that whole low point in the movie is really memorable.

Yeah, that's a awesome set, yeah, and how it stretches out. Yeah, just pull the bed back into like a big hallway, all practically too. Very cool. Yeah, it looks great. That baby looks pretty cool. Yeah. I don't know if it looks real, but it looks cool. and the face on it is scary.

Yeah, I think. The face is creepy. It made me think of Brazil or something. Yeah, it is very, it stays with you. And the way it's edited, too, like, there's a flash frame of it. The editing's amazing. Yeah. Just that entire sequence is just so perfect because even the song that the school girl character sings,

you hear very faintly in the background earlier in the movie when he is, like, laying on the couch, when she told him he has to sleep on the couch and he wakes up there. It's like the exact same song. So there's like that reincorporated. You've got like all of his like insecurities and fears and like spud in prison uniform just like you did this to me. Almost like fucking like ghost of Christmas past or some shit. I don't know. Like some sort of like apparition.

Tommy like leaning against the wall. Yeah. And and even if we ignore the purposefully metaphorical nature of how Danny Boyle presents a film like this, someone going through withdrawal symptoms can experience a lot of. really terrifying hallucinations in a sort of fever dream way. Like your body does a lot of negative things to you and can make you in this kind of like anxiety induced hallucination sort of thing. You know, it's like if anybody's been really sick and had a fever dream sort of thing, you know, like you would probably understand what I'm talking about.

So it works really well. And he's gone completely cold turkey, hasn't he? Yeah. Yeah, no methadone. Yeah. And I just love the, you know, the justification from the parents. They're like, you told, you remember, you said that it just makes you worse. And so you're lying to us right now and we're going to keep you in here.

It's like, shit, I guess they have to. Awesome movie. It is an awesome movie. I think it's one of the best. It's definitely Danny Bowles' best movie for me. Yeah, for sure. It's a very stylized. He's a very stylized director.

Yeah, there's very little, I decide. about this movie. I'm pretty invigorated actually every time I watch it and I can put it on at any point and enjoy it. So, I mean, this is a five star for me. I like pretty much everything about it. Love the characters. Love that music. It's just so memorable as well. So many great scenes. It's like difficult to choose like the best scene or the best visual metaphor, the best bit of dialogue. It's just amazing around. Yeah. I'd go right there with you, Alex. Five stars. I love this movie.

It's very funny and it's very creative. Nine at a ten at least. Will it be a ten at some other point? Maybe it will. I don't know. Things change. Nine. Love it.

It's up there. Iconic, classic. Yeah. Just all around really great. I guess it's time to talk about Terminator 2, train spotting. It's a you train spotting. You'd think that the only reason to call it T2 would be to intentionally confuse people.

Because Terminator 2 already has T2. There was one movie that people thought of when you heard the words T2, and now there's two movies? I think it's a bit of a running thing with this movie where it does struggle to find its identity. That's a good way to put it. But I'll introduce it first. Yeah, T2 Transpottings from 2017.

It's just a follow-up, the same characters 20 years later. Same team, Danny Boy, John Hodge. It's based again on some of the stuff from train spotting the book that wasn't included as well as the book Pornow, also by Irving Welsh. Yeah, I'm really mixed on this movie. There's a bunch of stuff I really enjoy about it, and there's a lot of character moments I enjoy. Lots of creative stuff in there. But I think overall it kind of misses for me. I'm just not fully satisfied.

I feel like at the beginning I'm like really into it But there's a huge chunk in the middle where it completely loses me And it kind of wins me back over at the end somewhat And I'm also confused on whether My affinity for this movie is just like me being manipulated By just showing scenes and like music The exact same music from the original And just what it means and how much

Because that is part of the story They directly acknowledge just how similar it is Yeah Just in ways to the first train spotting. But I'm still trying to grapple my head around how I feel about that side of it. I've only seen this. This is the only the second time I've seen this. Okay.

Which, for how much I like the first one, it seemed, I don't know, I feel like I should be more into it if it was something I enjoyed more. Yeah, I watched them back to back. So, I'd say Danny Boyle's direction is still very strong. I think that's one of the strongest parts of the movie. It looks pretty good. It's got a unique look, too. It doesn't just look like the first.

one. Yeah, I think he really, like, I've never seen a sequel like it, you know? I've got to give it that. It's very unique sequel. It is unique. Yes, it's half a hour longer than that first train spotting. That was what scared me was the runtime. Yeah. But I actually enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. This is the first time I watched it. I was kind of postponing watching it, 2017 movie. I haven't even done my 2017 list yet. So I was like, I'll just watch it then. I think it's very well made and was surprisingly still funny at many of the points where it tried to be funny. Yeah, yeah, he loves a good humor. Really great visuals at quite a few moments. The shadow of his mother is so striking and communicates in the same way that I was praising, train spotting one, just like communicating an emotion. How do you do that?

How do you get a visual feel for what you want to communicate with the character? There are moments of that in this film that I was just like, okay, wow, that's such a great way to show that. the upside down animals running projector when they're like doing drugs again or whatever. Like that was an awesome visual. A lot that I really like about this movie, the one thing that kind of drags it down is like it has this unshakable feeling of being completely unnecessary

and not fully, I guess this is just another way to say the same thing. It's just it doesn't realize its purpose in the same way that the first film does. And then the, I guess my, you know, what makes it extra silly is that it turns into kind of like a more stereotypical normal movie plot-wise. You have an actual villain.

Begby wasn't the villain in the first movie. He was a character that just got what he deserved. He wasn't the villain, but now he's the villain. And there's like this whole sequence at the end. It's like that's what's being built up to is like him that just happens to get out of jail at the same time, and then happens to blah, blah, blah, some conveniences.

And as we said, yeah, the first movie is very silly too. But I don't know if we're getting as much out of the silliness or as much, you know, there has to be some sort of trade-off and we don't get as much out of this movie, I don't think. Yeah, and I mentioned earlier with the narrator and the narration aspect, I can't remember if there's any. It's definitely completely different to the first movie,

where it's Renton's from his perspective and it's flipped into you too where like he lies to the characters in the story and you don't know as the audience that he's lying to so he's being an unreliable kind of character and it is like a spin from the first one but it is a different vibe because every time it does get more cartoony in that first one it is coming from him from his kind of mindset from that character his narration is like all over the place it's clearly all coming from him, whereas T2 feels more like a novel, kind of translated, beat by beat to a film or something. It's more focused on the characters independently or something. It's just messier. It doesn't come together as cleanly. It doesn't feel as focused, as you say, and you kind of hit the nail on the head for me with Begby.

I think for me, he is what pulls this movie down a bit more than everything else. Yeah, it feels weird. like is that like that's the point of the movie almost like that seems to be the set like that was the climax but like what it what is train spotting even about then if it's about like yeah not getting beaten up or killed by a dude i thought it was about drugs it gets it gets so silly with him to the point where it's like in breaking out of the hospital with the cop being nice to him and then on top of it he like goes back to his like family home whatever and like lives there for a bit That's the thing. It is funny. There's definitely a lot of humor, but it just doesn't. And maybe this is my problem for contrasting it too much of the first one, but I can't help it because the movie itself is constantly reincorporating the first,

even shots from the first movie like all the time. It is a sequel. It's a continuation. I was so mad because I'm watching a 4K Blu-ray of the sequel, and I'm like, just released one of the first one. I see the footage right there. Like, you could edit together half of the first movie just through clips from the second one, you know. Fuck, someone should do that.

Just change the audio. It looked great. It looked fantastic, actually, the way they were. Like, it looked like a proper restoration. I'm like, fuck, just release that. Yeah, they should. The Blu-ray I had on the first one didn't even have Ingo's subtitles on it. I'm like, what is this shit?

You think that there would be like a special edition or something? I don't know. Like, it's an iconic, popular, like, culture-defining movie. that's been parodied, you know, many times. You'd think that, I don't know, fucking release a 4K Blury. I'm so mad. I don't know. This movie doesn't really stick with me as much.

It's not as memorable. I think that's what I would criticize it for. The baby, all the stuff, him falling in the toilet, him overdosing in the carpet. There's none of that in this movie, really. There's some shots I really like. I think visually it's very strong and it's very creative. And it's how, like, it presents it. I think the movie is more about modern day stuff.

Like, it's trying to have a big comment on, like, social media and, like, I don't know, we're always recorded stuff like that, right? Because they cut the security cameras a lot. They have another Choose Life speech in this, except he, like, talks about Twitter. What did you guys think of the Choose Life speech in this one? See, I kind of love the reincorporation of the Choose Life speech in this movie. Sure. It's a totally different emotion from the character.

to in a that's just revealing something else about him because for the first part of the movie he he finds out his mom died and there's this huge gap in his knowledge because he ran away so it's him coming back and he's obviously going through a lot of shit at that time and he's like caught off guard in this restaurant

when he's asked like what his choose life and he kind of goes off into this rant and you mentioned earlier Adam just with the imagery of like his mum missing from the table and just the way that that sequence is tied to and the way it goes from being comedy and it slowly kind of gets more and more emotionally intense as he goes into it. And just the way that sequence come together is one of the higher points for that character in terms of what he's expressing to me. Yeah, I would agree.

Definitely. That's a strong part of the movie. Yeah, I liked that scene a lot. I like that part. The only moments within it that I really was like, eh, was kind of when he did. it sounded like a little bit preacher when he was like the social media because you know the movie is made in

2017 it's like I don't know there was just a bit too much of that at that time I think I think it's a big it's like the digital age like even the way the movie shot and no if it is a big part of it there's a lot of camcorders that are like really small and he like put it on like a microphone you know like that one scene when they're singing about killing Catholics

like this stuff like that or the low light chase sequence like when Bigby's chasing him that yeah there's a lot of commentary like that in the movie and you know even to just the look of it it looks like a very digital film and that's i think that's intentional yeah i mean it goes back to danny boyle's radical style danny boyle does a lot of digital stuff yeah and you know they cut back to footage of like from the first movie and it's done in the style of like CCTV footage and they they censor their faces they put like animated people over their faces. And yeah, he's going for something like that with this movie. For sure. The way they do flashbacks is creative because that's such a like annoying trope in like sequel movies where there's

like a huge chunk of time that's missed. And so it's like it's just fill it all in with flashbacks or whatever. It's never the main focus. It's normally relegate to kind of brief imagery that's just filling in little gaps. Well, yeah, even the beginning of the movie starts with the last shot of train spotting one. And that's a great way to like tie it in. Like yeah. Especially if you're watching them back to back, right? It's like, okay, I'm actually seeing a continuation of that story. It doesn't feel so, like, jarring. I love when Ewan McGregor falls off the person's car in this film later into the movie after he's being chased by Begby.

Yeah. And does the exact same face again. And it's so good at, like, the performance of just capturing that exact same expression was like, hell yeah. Like, that was so easy to. to recognize and just such a perfect expression of being able to do the exact same thing again. Speaking of that chase scene, it was kind of funny that he was on top of a roof being chased by Begby and Begme had a knife because at that moment I was like, well, I guess this is T2 now. This does feel like Terminator.

Oh, shit. You're like, there we go. Now it's T2. What did you guys think of the Iron Brew tap moment? Did you even know what Iron Brew is? It's the specific beer Or what? Beer

What are you talking about? Iron brew tap Yeah in the bar scene with Renton and What's his face Have a fight And you're like Spraying iron brew

Like the I assume It's like a Scottish Like soft drink Oh okay I assumed it was beer Sorry Yeah

I guess it would be weird For it to come out of Of one of those nozzles You're right Yeah And it's like orange It's like bright orange.

It's an interesting flavor. That's funny. I've never had that. Interesting. I think probably one of my favorite parts of the movie, like, narratively, in terms of, like, what works for it, entertainment-wise, I guess, is the No More Catholic scene. I thought that that was really funny and worked really well.

And when, as it was setting it, that's a funny scene. Excuse me. Steve. As it was setting itself up, I thought, surely this would just be like a cringe, not funny scene and like it almost seemed like a bit too stereotypical of like this is just going for like an awkward we can't sing or whatever but they actually handled it really well and it was kind of funny what they wound up playing a different movie would have sick boy play something more complicated and then it would be like okay well why does he know how to do this and like you know

add too many chords and it's like okay well they didn't rehearse this how does that make sense but the song was kept simplistically enough and it was still catchy at the same time yeah that it made sense for what it was and I thought the humor was really funny also that the pin numbers being 1690 for all of their credit cards was pretty that is a good a good payoff yeah yeah yeah it was great some good stuff um there's still some gross out stuff in here too which I appreciated the stuff with the strap on like they have this whole scheme going with this woman where she like fucks guys and they record it like that's the gross out stuff like you see them like bend over like shots of their ass like

oh no like pukes in that bag when you're saying yeah that's what that's what that's what i was thinking of when i thought gross out Alex was that too puke on the face yeah inside the bag like that was yeah that too that was crazy the spud renton dynamics one of my favorite things from this movie because of course renton gives him the idea to kind of try and rechannel that addiction energy, become addicted something else, he says. It kind of transpires that Spud learns that he's like a writer, a good writer, and it's kind of that meta thing, or it's like, how do we end this story? And it's one of the things I like most about the movie is, because he is the sympathetic

ankle. You can't not feel sorry for him. And it is a satisfying way to conclude his character, and it makes sense, I guess, him being the one to deck beg be at the end. Yeah, with a toilet. Yeah. Lots of great visuals. The story just isn't as...

It's not as tight, and it's not as purposeful. And so for a movie that's two hours, it's not like it was pace terribly. I didn't feel too bored or anything. Maybe coming up to the end of the movie, I was a little zoned out. But in terms of what I retain from it after having watched it,

I can name more things that were in the first train spotting than I can in the second train spotting, and then you have to ask yourself, well, what happened with the extra time? How does that make sense? You know? Yeah. There's the for jazzal joke as well.

I'm not crazy about. That was like a weird dated thing. It was like a huge joke for like in the UK of some reason. Okay. I had no idea. Randomly shoved into this movie. Yeah. It seems like really fucking weird that's...

You know what fucking sucked? The subtitles on the 4K Blu-ray, which is like completely international, by the way. Like it has like Cantonese subtitles. It has every subtitle. But the English subtitles on the 4K Blu-ray, they translate like cultural Scotlandisms, I guess, where they have, let's see, I wrote a couple down. Oh, that's very weird. Just a way for a slashmate got translated to just away for a piss mate.

just like the lassie says got translated in the subtitle suit just like the lady says have you knobbed her I have knobbed her and I'll knob her again got translated to fuck instead of knob and that was kind of annoying because like I would just like that's not the job of a subtitle the subtitle is to tell me what the words that they said not translate that changes the meaning of everything yeah go fuck yourself changes the meaning of the movie yeah shit subtitles it only happened like five times I

guess, but it was like, come on, really? Why? That's weird. Yeah, yeah, that is super strange. Just do the anime thing where you have like a separate subtitle that says, this is what this word means, you know? Like if someone's really confused and they don't understand the cultural context of something, that you can always give them that information, but I would like to know what

words they said, please. One of the, uh, bits of conflict I do quite enjoy in T2 is when they go back to the adilic location where their friend Tommy like we didn't die there but they'd take his ashes there or whatever and that they have like a pretty bad argument Renton and Sick Boy where they kind of hold each other

accountable for their terrible actions and it's like kind of illuminating fun way for the drama between them to come about because at first there's some of sick boy's scenes that I'm not in love with in this movie like there's one particular scene

where he has this kind of mustache twirley, like, monologue he's saying to, uh, oh yeah, I can't remember her character's name. Yeah. He's like in the room with, uh, with the woman character. And he's like, I'm going to destroy his life or whatever. And it makes sense for the character. He's mad, but it's just something in a way that scene transpired. He was like going just a bit too far into that cartoonish way, just like earlier in the

movie where Begby was doing the whole, you know, breaking out of jail thing. It's just going cartoonish, a step above to a point where. I'm being pulled out the movie in ways that's just not a thing that happens in the first one. Yeah, there are some moments that just don't work well. Still, I surprisingly enjoyed it. I thought I was going to hate it,

but at the end of the day, it's still a Danny B. joint. Yeah. He makes really interesting movies to look at. My biggest fucking problem with his style in this movie that I don't have a problem with in many of the other movies is for some reason, they do this linger on the single frame

at the end of the shot thing about, I don't know, a hundred times in this movie and I don't remember that... They do it a lot. I don't remember that happening in the first movie. I do remember that happening

like maybe twice in the movie Sunshine. I do remember that happening. Maybe like I think that happened in... Yeah, I can think in 28 days later that happened. In some of his other movies, he does that a couple times. It didn't happen in train sputting. And now in T2, Terminator 2,

train spotting, you're doing it like 100 times. times. It happened way too many times. And it was just like, it was annoying. It was irritating after a while. Otherwise, love the style, love the visuals. Love the lighting. Really improved lighting in this film, actually. That's one of the aspects I would say is improved. Yeah, the lighting was very good. Yeah. Great lighting. If we want to do ratings, I don't know about you. But I'm giving this one a seven out of ten closer to a six than an eight. But if I get seven out of ten, I, it has its issues. But at the end of the day, it's Danny Boyle, I guess. I'm actually, despite how negative sounding I might come across, I did enjoy this more the second time than I did the first. I got a lot more out of it. I did feel satisfied through what the main characters go through.

I did get the beats I was after. And again, that creativity, it is fun to see him go back to that energy from the 90s to try. and recapture that and I think he does manage it overall. It's just, yeah, you're right, it doesn't feel totally essential and it's just some things here and there. I wish could have been tightened up or maybe get that rundown, the running time a little bit down or something.

But I do like it more than I don't. I'd give it three and a half stars or seven the same as you. Sure. Yeah, I still think it's a very entertaining movie. When I first saw it, I didn't like it at all. But I think that's because I hadn't seen the first train spot. in like years. Now watching them back to back, I liked it a little more.

And there were things I actually remembered. Like, I didn't remember Tommy at all. Like, that I remembered. I'd go three out of five on it. And that's an increase, I think, from when I saw it the first time. But yeah, it just doesn't really stick with me, but it's still an entertaining film. And it's still very funny. Acting is still very good.

You know, Danny Boyle's got a very unique style. Danny Bates movies. And, yeah, it's definitely. Definitely interesting to look at. It's got a lot of cool stuff in it. I like the final show in the credit sequence. Yeah, I do too. I love the final how the movie ends in the train spotting room with the wallpaper.

Yeah. Yeah, three out of five. I would like that a bit more if I wasn't in love with the practical effects from the first movie. Because I don't like the symbolism of taking a shot from the first movie that was done practically and then doing it in C. Regardless of whether or not it would even be possible practically, obviously. you know that's a little bit a little bit crazier this time you can't really do it like that but I the symbolism of that

when we you know modernizing films and just the issues that we always talk about on this podcast uh rubs me the wrong way a little but otherwise on its own it works I guess yeah I started feeling that tinge and tilts like oh it looks like this actual symbolism is like awesome this is an awesome way to start the credit sequence yeah yeah there is more going on in this movie to make it, it's not like

Space Jam, any legacy. It's actually story and characters here. It's not just making references to the first movie. Yeah. It's just a really good point to start a story as well. There is a lot of unsolved mystery with the characters and a lot of

baked in drama. And the first one, they talked about the baby, they didn't know who the father was. And the second one, they addressed that it's actually, um, who's the white hair guy? The guy with the white hair. I mean, they alluded to it in the first film. without entirely. They did allude to it.

But in this movie, they basically hammered it in. Like, hammered home. Yeah, he is the father. So I thought that was good. There's some things like that that are resolved. The girl from the first movie comes back. She has a job. Oh, yeah.

I like the lawyer scene. Oh, because she's a lawyer. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like that's all good. Everybody else aged 20 years and she aged like four years. Yeah. Well, Kelly McDonald's, yeah. All right.

I guess one final thing I'll say about this. in the grand scheme of things it's pretty fucking good for a movie that's a sequel that's made like 20 years after the first one in comparison to other movies that have done that sort of thing in the past 10 years

because there's a bunch of those and they suck for the most part so in that looking at it through that lens especially it's pretty good yeah this and Matt Max shirer wrote that's like that's all you need to see if we want to call that sequel

genre I guess it's not like a direct direct sequel, but anyway. Not a direct sequel, yeah. Okay, let's do a couple of questions here from the Sardonicast community. Head over to the sub-reddit suggestion thread, if you want to leave questions of your own. Let's do this one then from Crow Guys. Is there a type of film criticism that you don't consider valid or just don't feel comfortable using?

Hmm, I feel like I have an answer for this, but I would have to refresh myself. I would have to think about it. I feel like I felt that way before, but I don't know. It's almost like more of a philosophical question in ways. Yeah, it is. Because I don't know. You know what? Maybe my answer is no, that I think every criticism is valid, not necessarily.

Because every person's a different person, you know? Like there are some things that I personally wouldn't consider to be valid criticism for my own thing. That might be valid criticism for somebody else, right? Yeah. I guess what I like to see least. in other criticisms that I've seen are ones that kind of invalidate other people's perspectives and experiences.

That's often what I fight back against the most when I'm anticipating like an argument, like preempting. Usually it's against the people who inevitably just go like, oh, I can't believe you said this about, like, I can't believe you didn't like it. Like, there's unironically people that don't like that I didn't like Luca,

but I wasn't incorrect about anything factually in the film. So we're really just talking about my experience, which is in my own brain. So it's really weird when you disagree with me about what's going on in my own brain. It's really weird for another person to have absolute certainty

or any kind of perceived authority over what someone else's experience should be or is. Like, that's fucking weird to me. Like, I'm sorry for not liking something that you did, but you have to, surely you have to recognize that not everyone, brain is the same right I don't know

everyone's got an opinion can't really say it you can't just at the end of the day it's your opinion you just say that right that's just your opinion man when I think about personal connections with films

the reason why they're personal is like okay so perhaps someone watching train spotting will have like personal experiences with drugs in their own life that's going to influence how they feel about a film. Perhaps there's a person that's watching a movie

that really doesn't like a certain actor that's featured prominently in the film. Perhaps there's a person watching a movie that has bad experiences with a type of character that maybe the film is painting as a protagonist and they just can't get behind that and they don't trust them because it reminds them of somebody else in their life.

You know, a connection that you have with a film, whether you're rating it or just expressing how you felt about it in the story and, everything that goes into it, that's your personal connection. So it's weird for somebody else to try to have authority over what you experienced when films should be personal. Everything that's happened to you up to this point in your life of you watching the film is going to influence how you feel about it. So obviously, a person that doesn't have a lot of experiences with one particular thing

is going to view a film differently than somebody who has a lot of experiences with that particular thing. If you're a musician and you watch a movie about music, right? And it's not necessarily about being correct or informed on certain things, but having personal experiences in your life. Like what else is, you know, like what is art if you're not supposed to have that happen to you? I just don't get some people. I don't know. Yeah. I would never describe it that way that there's types of film criticism I don't consider valid, even though I'm sure there are examples where there are kind of pet peeves that bother me. like if you're if you're purposefully ignoring some of the artistic intent purely to like slant

your reviews for some kind of like political agenda or something like that yeah that's weird that can get tiring or even any kind of agenda not not even just political but then I would but at the same time I wouldn't say I would I don't want any reviews that touch politics in any way you know I mean I just want interesting discussion about film to be as open as possible and I mean that the filtering system is kind of the response from people out there. I mean, even shit that I find personally invalid, I would never say

is, like, objectively invalid, because you know, I can't possibly, you know, there are other perspectives of people who would say, like, though, this is how film should be viewed at in a review or something, or this, there are people that will make the argument that, like,

everything's political, you can't escape politics, you know, and there's truth to that as well. I've got hippie brain and I think that like everything's subjective so I mean literally you can't perceive anything in the universe without your brain and you being the subject of that so even factual objective things right right this is a whole other philosophical conversation right but that doesn't just relate to movies where you know you can debate about true objectivity and what that means am I in a simulation right now I don't know or am I like an alien that was placed onto this planet and

wiped my memory like I have no way of verifying any of this right but anyway this it's a way too complicated of a conversation to just relegate it to films and I think that's part of the reason why there is such contention in this this category is because I guess people just either might think of this as too simplistically or just have different brains and not agree about it being philosophical you know I don't know I'm just rambling now what am I even saying there was an interesting reply to this comment from another listener saying I feel like comparisons are mostly unfair like whiplash was good but I feel like Black Swan did a better job at telling that artist loses self-slash sanity in pursuit of art story

wants to know your guys' thoughts on that kind of idea if I were to inject more of my hippie brain onto this conversation you can't you can't think of anything without comparison because there's no point of reference to it. Our human brains are literally just like when a part of your brain lights up and you associate like a word, right? If let's say someone says the name Ralph, right, I already have a mental image of somebody I know named Ralph in my brain and that's going to influence what parts of my brain light up when I hear the word Ralph, right? Or if somebody doesn't know a person named Ralph, then maybe nothing lights up in their brain, right? People have negative experiences for certain words,

for certain colors even for certain numbers. You know, like there's no such thing as not associating things with other things. You always have to compare. If let's say Tommy Wizzos, The Room, was the first movie ever made and there was no such thing as another movie, then what obviously people would consider it to be very different. It would be like, oh, a miracle has been presented. What is this? Images that are moving, right?

this would be considered some sort of great feat. So obviously, in order to judge the room, you have to have that in the context of other movies existing. In order to judge any film, you have to have the context of other movies also exist. Therefore, here's my perspective, right? You need the context. Yeah. You know, depending on how many movies you've seen from what genre, from what time period, those are going to influence how you feel about certain films, you know?

So it's unavoidable, really. but also comparing can be very helpful yeah yeah that's true did you have either of you have anything to add to that no I think you guys nailed it on that one pretty deep okay yeah thanks let's do this one from

raffia nurek what's your favorite sawtrap what is the source of none from the last one definitely no one from that damn I really like the the merry-go round one with a shotgun. That is a good one.

I was thinking that in my head, but I wanted to cycle through more to see if there were other ones. But like, it's so funny. It's so funny because all these people are like begging for their lives. Like, I've got a family. It's like, oh, you were so nice to me.

I did everything right in the company and for you. And like, just that dynamic. Like, whether or not it's for humor or if someone's taking the scene unironically and just being like, oh, yeah, this character is now forced to live with the consequences and value lives over others. Like, that's funny.

It's, like, it's great. And it works with the themes of, like, health care deciding who lives and who dies, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're just the ultimate end result of this jigsaw mentality, blah, blah, blah, blah. I love it. Yeah, that's a great one. Six people on the merry-go-round. Yeah, it is a great one.

It falls in line. And it's just a great trap, like the concept of it. It's very straightforward, you know. Yeah, it's hilarious. Like, anyone could kind of make that. It's hilarious how it's presenting. Yeah, I don't know why for me One that stands out in my head is the

Razor Wire maze Is that from the first one? That was a short part in the first one, yeah. I don't know why. For some reason, that one That one's really cemented in my mind. I think it was the moment I knew that Saw was like, oh, there's something about this that's like really alluring.

That's not really fucked up and dark about this and just the whole like you know, the way it's implemented into the story, like you're saying, with the Carousel one. Yeah, I think my favorite, if I were to go take out the humor element and just one that, you know, is really scary to me conceptually.

I think that the one from Saw One where the guy has a match and he's looking, there's numbers all over the wall, there's glass on the floor, and his body is coated in a flammable, like sticky flammable material and he has to open the safe to get an antidote to cure the poison that will kill him otherwise in the amount of time that it would take for the candle to go. I guess it's not a match. He has like a candle that he's holding. And then, you know,

eventually over time the candle gets down to the flammable part on his body and burns him alive. I think that that's terrifying. Some have called that an unwinnable trap and it added it to like jigsaw. I was like, oh, why would he do this? This is like unwinnable sort of thing. That guy has no chance. However, there are others that have hypothesized that, like, if he had the candle on everything for, like, a bit and then blew it out, that certain numbers would, like, glow in the dark or something, like, maybe, perhaps. Like, that's a cool way to think about it. Like, maybe if it was, like, a digital keypad or something that he could open the lock with after. But, yeah, like, that just conceptually is like, oh, that's awful.

Yeah, I need to rewatch that first Saw movie. It's been a long time. It's dank. There's a 4K now. Yeah, the reverse bear trap is good. Yeah, bear trap is pretty iconic. You don't see it acted out. In Saw 7?

You do. You do. It's against Jigsaw's wife. Hell yeah. That excellent actress. That's right. The best actor. You see her jaw ripped open.

The most beloved character. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool trap. Yeah. Up there with the journalist character. Let's do this one from a doo-wop cartoons. Do you think we'll need to to re-evaluate Pixar as a generic animation studio that go...

Wait, sorry, this is weirdly written. Already done it. ...elevated to an unreasonable standard due to having five once-in-a-generation group of directors, John Laster, Brad Bird, Pete, Dr. Andrew Stanton, and Lee Uncrich. All the best Pixar movies were made by those five guys who collaborated with each other, and all the bad ones, aside from Cars 2, were not made by them. I get the impression Pixar movies will start being more boring and lackluster going off their next two projects. turning red and light year, which look like spoofs of Pixar movies, as those guys seem to be

retiring. Yeah, those guys are gone. Did you see the trailer for their latest? It's turning red thing. I did not see turning red. I did not see turning red. Oh, is it? Yeah, it's set in, uh, Ontario, Canada.

Oh, they just pick a setting in a culture and then throwing some fish people or something. What do they do this time? Yeah, what do they turn into? This time it's a panda thing. When she gets, I guess, embarrassed, that would be it. Yeah, that makes sense turning red. When she gets embarrassed, she turns into a big, fluffy, I don't know, like neighbor Totero kind of character that's red. And, oops, she's big and fluffy.

Who knows? I wasn't actually like that disgusted by the trailer or anything. I didn't look at that and be like, oh, come on, here we go, Pixar. Like, I'll see how it is when there's more footage or what the movie is. He's like, I don't know. It really just, they didn't show enough of it for me to be able to get a firm grasp of what the movie would be like. It was just one moment, just one scene. Yeah.

It's the concepts that I'm really allured in by them. And that's, yeah, turning red isn't that interesting to me on that level. And the same with Lightyear, you know, and the same with Luca for me. I know lots of people love it. But it wasn't really my cup of tea for them after. Exactly. Maybe they're just not for me anymore. They're going for a different kind of audience.

Yeah, maybe it's shifted to the next generation. It's totally shifted. But, you know, it is kind of generic. And that's how they feel. I wish they would take some time and work on them. Because Pixar did have that reputation of making just fucking excellent movies. Those Toy Story movies are fantastic. Even the fourth one, which I said I would never watch.

I like the fourth one. I like it just fine. That's, you know, I don't know what they're doing. anymore. It's just like all the, all the passion is gone. It is just like a, um, like an assembly line kind of machine producing animated movies every year. And every year they win the Oscar. And it's gotten kind of boring. I mean, it's been two decades of like the same shit. Yeah, and a lot of them are just working for regular Disney animation now anyway. Where it's like, why even have the two separate brands? It's like Pixar and then like Disney and

it's like, okay, well, one of them is making his utopia. Pixar used to be unique. They used actually be like the only game in town and Dreamworks. They changed the industry. You have Disney animation right next to them is Pixar. You have the same yeah, they're owned by Disney. Pixar is responsible for the death of Western 2D animation. Kind of.

Like 100%. And you know, like even the animated movies that Disney's making sometimes they're better than the Pixar movies. Like I like Zootopia. I like Tangled a lot. I think Tangled is much better than most of what Pixar is produced for like the past 10 years which is crazy.

Lego movie or Spiderverse. Yeah, I don't know. It's coming up other places now. I don't think I have unrealistic expectations for them at all. I've been saying this shit since I don't know, Toy Story 3. It's been like a good 10 years where I felt this way and it seems like other people are catching up. I don't know. So, this is just old news to me. They can make great movies.

They need to take their time and have a good idea. And don't just keep pumping them out every year because that's what it is. It's like they just pump one out a year to win an Oscar. keep people employed. It's fucked up. It's art. I want to see. Like they made a Monsters Inc.

show now, like on Disney Plus. Yeah, I saw the trailer. It's like, what? I don't want to. Monsters Inc.

used to mean something. Monsters Inc. used to be worth something. Yeah. It looks like a Buzz Lightyear movie and shit. Like, whatever. Yeah.

Buzz Lightier, like, I don't know if I even want to see that. I'd rather see Toy Story 5. With no, Tim Allen. Yeah, why they get rid of Tim Allen?

I don't know. He's problematic or something. Yeah, he's problematic. I mean, he kind of is. Yeah. Still, it was light here, I mean, I can't really pick that one else. Yeah, I wouldn't want to recast him. You know? I wouldn't want to re-up.

It's perfect. Keep the tool time. Uh-oh. Uh-huh. Yeah, he is. For sure. God, I love it. Yeah.

Okay, let's do this one from Gen Rao. TrainSpotting is a film that is deeply loved in Scotland and considered quintessentially Scottish. What films would you say are deeply loved and deeply ingrained with each of your individual cultures? So English, Canadian, and American. I would say Italian more so. Like Godfather. Not Tenet? That's ingrained.

Tenet for America? No. Chris Nolan's British, right? So I wouldn't say him as American. I'd say anything Tarantino. What's the most America movie? How about Team America World Police

That's what I would pick for a rep Yeah I'd say Top Gun BORRU You want American movie Watch Top Gun Borat Borat's like cynical

What's the most Canadian movie Or what's one that's even celebrated in Canada Like do we have a thing? You have Kenny and Spenny Oh yeah There's like some

There's some universally recognized Canadian properties I think a lot of them were like television though So like trailer park Boys is a big Canada thing. There's a movie called Fubar that I never watched and it had a sequel and I think that was

supposed to be like a really Canadian thing. I'd have to watch it, I guess. Yeah. No fucking wonder. Like I'm just looking at this. It's like 4.1,000 ratings on IMDB. It's like nobody's heard of this. Like obviously it's a Canadian thing.

There's some things that just don't escape Canada. But with trailer park boys, it's on the US Netflix now. So it's being rediscovered again, which is nice. Trailer Park Boys is big here Yeah Yeah yeah It wasn't for I mean

The first 10 15 years or whatever And then Yeah Wow really that's crazy Yeah it's been going on a long time And then like I think five years ago America was like oh shit Trailer Park Boys

Because it's on Netflix now It's cool Yeah I see it everywhere That's crazy how a show could go on for 10 years Like no one watches it I mean Canada watched it But we're like nobody Yeah like barely nobody

But now like Oh shit there's 10 seasons of this show I love Like you know and they just watch the whole thing. I think that's awesome. Yeah. For shows, iconic shows for America? American Idol.

Yeah, reality television in general. Reality television. I would say that is quintessential America, reality television. You need to watch that. Mystery diners. Storage wars. Mystery diners is fake as shit, so don't watch that. Well, they're all fake.

They're all fake in some way. What about you, Alex? Do you have like Love Island over there? No, as far as films go, James Bond, surely, England, just any of the movies or something like that. And then like Doctor Who or whatever? Sean of the Dead actually is quite a good one. I remember when that film was coming out and how it kind of exploded and just really connected with everyone, not just Brits, to be honest, but it's deeply British. It's set in London.

It's got like the whole cast of like just every character actor from London from that time in it. I mean, yeah, great sure. Let's hand on this one from Goosey McGooseface, too. Did the train spotting movies make you want to come to Scotland? Where would you want to go if you did? Love from Scotland, laddies. Yeah. Yeah, I want to visit the worst toilet.

I don't want to go to that bar where they get mugged. I don't think it really painted Scotland in a great life. There were no tourist attraction parts. It paints the outdoors nicely. Yeah. Yeah. when he decides he wants to go on a hike and nobody else goes with him and they just talk and they're sad.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to visit the UK at some point regardless. I don't know. I would like to see the different things. If there's things there, I guess.

Scottish Hills. Yeah. Yeah, I've never made my way to Scotland. I would like to go. Well. Whenever I want to go somewhere, I want to go somewhere warmer. And Scotland's cold. Yeah, I've got to scout one day.

Yeah. it better not rob me like they did in strange spotting. Yeah, well, if you stand out like that. Yeah, excuse me, man, use your bathroom, please. Yeah, that's a funny scene. That'll be me. All right, I guess that's it for questions. Yeah, we did it.

There's a recommendation, and technically it's my turn, but I asked Ralph if we could trade, because what I want to recommend is something that is long, and we're recording the next episode of a week. early because of a scheduling thing so I would we should probably just do a regular length movie or whatever so I'm swapping with Ralph I'll recommend the episode after okay cool so I'll recommend I got a few things here I was thinking Terminator but we just did T2 yeah we just did Terminator too yeah we just did Terminator

two I'm gonna do the wrestler the wrestler from the year ago 2008 directed by by Darren Aronovsky. I think we should watch that. Awesome. That's been up well. So check that. That is far enough back for me that this would be a fresh experience. Yeah. Yeah.

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Thanks for listening Choose life Choose life It's right being Scottish Bye everybody Bye You know I just want to mention I discovered

Like so there's another like British thing Do you want this in the podcast? I guess we can just include it It's a lieutenant I was watching like 1917 They say left tenant And like British people say left tenant And apparently that's a thing

Is that a thing Alex Yeah Yeah it is They say left tenant instead of lieutenant. Yeah, you should... Why, left tenant? Yeah, I guess that's American spelling too. Yeah, whatever.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's... I think it's just a British thing. And there's no, like, right tenant. What's left tenant? Yeah. I ain't got any answers for you, I'm afraid. Left tenant is the inverse version of Christopher Nolan's film, Tenet.

Tenet. The mirror version. Left Tenet. Yeah. All right, happy Shrek. Choose Life, everybody. Bye-bye. Sorry for the fake. Oh, yeah. Choose life. Sorry, Matt. Bye. Bye. Sorry.