Sardonicast - Sardonicast 93: The Suicide Squad, Fanny and Alexander

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

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three two one that's an awfully hot coffee pot should i listen to this podcast probably not i'm adam from your movie sucks this is a sardonicast um and that was um tom hardy from venom that was a quote from venom who else is here oh the really not the second one yeah it's the second one i just i just call it venom because it's it's like it's like kill bill it's like they you know it's like like just one film I consider it, you know, because they planned out the whole thing. Who else is here? I'm Alex from I.G. Yeah, I'm Ralph Sepi from Ralph the movie maker.

Oh. So that Venom quote threw me off so hard as I wrapped my brain. Like, what is he saying? Stupidity. I'm about T-Port. I'm really excited for it still. It's going to be good. Alex, you got COVID again.

Yeah. How that happened? How many people do you know that have had it? Twice. One. Yeah. No one. Can you guess who that is?

Yeah. I went to London for the first time in a couple years and just immediately got it. Yeah. So that's been my life for the last 10 days in isolation. As we were recording this, it's my last day in isolation. I mean, compared to the first time I have it, it is like night and day. I recovered way quicker. The symptoms were not as bad this time around.

It's great to hear. Yeah. Because, you know, it's all like respiratory-related. so I'm quite concerned about my lungs. And you can hear in the episodes we recorded, like, in 2020 when I had it that time, just the breathing and how it was affecting that side of it. I'm so glad I didn't have that this time. I did lose my taste, though.

You lost your taste, but you could still breathe. Yeah, I'll take breathing, I guess, if I had to choose out of those two. I'd rather breathe. Is your taste still gone? No, my taste has slowly come back over the days. I was reading these, like, articles, like, on how to, like, restart your taste buds or whatever, like by eating these extreme flavors and spicy things and mustards and just try and get it going again and it really did work.

Okay. Oh, it did? Mm-hmm. Like, really slowly each day. You like really like, yeah, I guess over... It is weird because like eating food and like tasting with memory, even though there's no taste. It's like a really weird sensation. It's like all about the texture.

It's horrible. Yeah. So I just ate bags of kale. well I'm glad to hear you're doing better I was just I just got back from Vegas yesterday I went from I went from being like a fucking hermit

for like a year and a half like the last time I left my country the last time I left my city was January 2020 for Sundance and then I've been taking COVID super super fucking seriously and at this point it's like well if you can't beat him, join him.

I'm double vaccinated, so fuck it. I'm just going to travel, wear a mask, and fuck everything. You know, like, I don't know. I'm just like, I'm so fatigued and exhausted. Yeah, probably, probably Vegas wasn't the best idea. There's probably other places I could have gone, but my friend, I had a friend organized that one, so. How, like, safe did you feel in Vegas?

Not at all during many parts of it. Really? Yeah. Yeah, there were, there were some. situations that were like particularly anxiety inducing where it's like is it's not even about the amount of people but it's the amount of assholes who are all doing the like chin diaper thing and it's like okay this is stupid and then you got like packed restaurants where it's like okay so nobody's wearing a mask in this entire place because we're all eating but there's like

there's no social distancing happening at all like it's it's it's like there's no pandemic basically It was actually crazy. But I tested negative so I could get on the plane back to Canada. And I test, I'll get another test in a few days just to make sure. But double vaccinated, young, healthy, I think. So I think I'll be fine. I'm just avoiding my roommates until I get another test. But, yeah.

Yeah, it's a surreal time, man. I can't believe this. Yeah. Especially my luck. One could argue that now is the worst time to travel, but it could also be the best time to travel. It could just keep getting worse. It's pretty cheap to travel.

That's a good thing. Yeah, our hotel room was like super cheap. Hotels and the plane tickets are cheap. Yeah. Yeah. I've got more travel plans coming up. It's just the risk for reward now. Well, yeah, he got sick.

But if you're vaccinated, it's likely you're not going to get out sick. If you're young and vaccinated. You're not going to get sick at all. Healthy compromised immune systems and stuff. It's a huge risk for me. Yeah. And also, like, depending on what you're doing, we didn't go to any clubs. We didn't do.

a lot of stupid shit we could have done, but there were some areas that were just, that were stupid that we didn't really plan for. We mostly just hung up by yourselves. Going on the tubes in London, it was quite, quite stressful. You're already like in a sardine can underground with like shoulder to shoulder with people.

And loads of people weren't even wearing masks as well on the tube. It's just like, okay. Yeah. What happens, happens, I guess. On both the flight, So this is like the first flight I've taken all pandemic. And it's like a two and a half hour flight. It's not that long.

And yet they still do the cart with snacks and drinks and stuff. And it's like, okay, everybody's in this like circulated air tube. And we're all wearing masks. And then for, I don't know, half an hour or whatever, it's like, okay, mask off time. It's like, well, what's the, that kind of undoes everything that we're trying to accomplish, right? A lot of it seems like psychological. Yeah. Do you have the routine in restaurants where it's like you wear a mask to go and sit down

and then everyone just takes it off when you're sat down? Yeah. Like go to the toilet, you put it back on because you're like stood up. That makes enough sense for me because if the majority of it is through droplets, then it's like, okay, it is more of a proximity thing. And at the restaurants in Vancouver, it's either like there's enough distance between the tables or there's like some sort of. plastic separator or something.

Who knows, it could be just completely psychological, too. You know, safest place is always going to be outdoors where transmission is relatively low. But yeah, it's like, it's... This whole thing is just so silly and weird. On the plane right back, there was a kid just like, with a comically large lollipop. Just like, looking at it the entire time.

I'm like, man, you could probably just do that as an adult if you really want to be an asshole. Just like, I'm eating. I'm still eating. eating. I'm eating the whole flight. I'm just licking this shit. You know? Like, yeah. I haven't even thought about planes. Like, oh, it's just like another. Yeah. We've just designed everything around being sandwiched together.

So when you've got to do the opposite, it's like impossible. You can fit as much stuff in as possible. Well, the airline companies wanted to sell more seats without. Yeah, it makes sense. Larger aircrafts or more flights. So. Well, first class, you know, you got more room. Yeah, but you pay a shit. It's just more money. Yeah, exactly. It's a ridiculous amount of that. No.

Yeah. You know what else makes a ridiculous amount of money? Yeah, that. Yeah. That. Oh, cool. Yeah. What's it home?

Spider-Man, Homeward bound, too, lost in San Francisco. Spider-Man, Homeward Bound. Yeah. No way home? No, it's no way home. Yeah. It looks pretty good. I don't know.

Yeah. I like when they, like, combine random characters, like, Doctor Strange and Spider-Man. There's potential there. There's antics. Oh, it's like they're part of the same Marvel Cinematic Universe. Yeah, I hope it's not like Ready Player 1 where it's a bunch of references.

So I just saw the trailer like 30 seconds, well, before the podcast, yeah. Yeah. I just can't get over how bad Spider-Man's suit still looks. Compared to the Ramey films, it's like it looks so much more fake. It looks so much less a part of the universe. Like, apparently he wears a real suit. when they film it and they just CG the fuck out of it in ways that don't even look convincing, you know?

Yeah, it's very cartoonish, like when he's got his Iron Man Spider suit with the robot arms coming out of the back. I get it. The action is just like on a different level than it used to be like on these Sam Raine movies. It's like you've got these trains like spinning around in like a vortex now. It's so cartoonish. Like the action in these movies is so removed from anything real. like these suits you know I mean yeah I'll always

prefer that old Sam Ramey just how it looks in frame with him in the costume but times are changing man they're de ageing the Sam Ramey characters now it's all full circle and Sam Ramey's directing a Marvel movie too but it's not this one a doctor strange film

and there's a bunch of memes Spider-Man not in that movie who knows well I guess maybe a cameo there's a bunch of memes on the Sam Ramey subreddit where people are pretending like he's going to steal the budget for Dr. Strange and just make Spider-Man for instead without telling Marvel.

Yeah, that would be funny. I mean, I'd support that. So, I want another Toby film. Yeah, he'll probably show up. Sam Ramey should have been directing this new Spider-Man if they're going to have Ramey characters in it. Because John Watts doesn't really, he's not like a necessary element to the success of the, uh, the, uh, the,

New Spider-Man film. No. Not at all. Yeah, you could replace him with anybody else and you get the same movie or maybe a better one. Yeah. Who's the Ant-Man guy? Peyton, Reed. Oh, no.

Yeah? Yeah. I think that is his name. Yeah. It is Peyton. Oh. I don't know what to say about New Spider-Man other than it looks like a film that will surely come out this Christmas.

Unless there's a... Where are we... Is it the Greek? alphabet that we're going, a delta variant, what's after delta? Unless there's a new variant, unless they drop a sick new variant this Christmas, then Disney will pull out.

Should I look this up? I mean, I'm not an expert in the Greek alphabet. I'm sorry. I don't know. Yeah, whatever. There's a unless we get the Zeta variant or something. Yeah. Unless we get like a bunch of more variants between now and then. Yeah, whatever. They'll just put it on Disney Plus

or something. There's another thing I kind of wanted to bring up, unless you had anything else to say about the new Spider-Man film that looks just like another Spider-Man film. Yeah. Who knows? I'll wait until another trailer's out. I'm concerned that the Ramey section will be like 30 seconds.

I'm concerned it's going to be a bunch of references like ready-playing. Oh yeah, God. We get another space jam, but it's Spider-Man? Oh, fuck. Oh, God. Oh, look, it's the Green Goblin. Oh, look, it's Scorpion. Oh, look. We're just like a bunch of nonsense, you know.

Yeah, referencing the early 2000s. It's just a bizarre concept. And I think the only reason I'm able to digest it's because the Spider-verse movie was good. And that's about it. And they did nail the casting for those characters, too, because it's a rumor. Well, you can hear, like, Will and Defoe's, like, laugh, like, in the background. And they show the Green Goblin Ball.

Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, they did nail the casting with, like, most of the characters in those Ramey movies. Like, Jay Jonah's also just back for, like, the same act. So that doesn't really bother me too much. I mean, it's more how it's done. Yeah, how reference heavy is it going to be? Is that actually just going to be part of the story and they're going to be characters in there?

Can we put big fungus in the new Spider-Man? I think that would make it better. No, that's the one after. Hmm. And I said, like, the story just makes sense because, uh, like, Peter Parker wants to reverse time. I'm like, oh, that makes sense. It's going to be, like, I'm concerned it's just going to be fucking Christmas Carol. where Dr. Strange is like, I need to show you what would happen if you did this.

If you, if you don't stop living a double life, then MJ will fucking commit society or some shit. I don't know. Yeah, but if I fucked up that bad, like Peter Parker does, I would go to Dr. Strange. Oh, yeah. And yeah. So I'm like, okay, that leads to make sense. Yeah. Why Peter would do that.

And Dr. Strange is in the story, you know, I guess that works. Yeah. And it can do a whole movie about like, messing with time and how it's like a bad idea. I guess it's magic, whatever. I'm thinking about it too much. The rules just don't matter. Do they this kind of thing? Maybe it's all an illusion.

But yeah, it's like a Christmas Carol type thing or none of it's real. It's all a dream. Yeah. Yeah. Who the hell knows? It should be cool. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, it'll be out on Christmas and we'll probably see it unless there's 8,000 new variants. In which case, it'll move to Disney Plus, a streaming service.

You know what else is a streaming service? fucking Paramount Plus, but nobody wants to sign up for it because nobody cares. Paramount has one. But there's a crazy story about this is that South Park creators, Matt Stone and Trey Parker, have signed a deal with Paramount Plus to make six more seasons of South Park in 14 films. And I want you two without looking it up to guess how much money they just made off this deal. Did you say 14 films? Yes.

that's a lot of films whoa um okay are we talking in the hundreds of millions here I'm not giving you any hint oh man I'm gonna I want you to just fucking guess I'm gonna guess 300 million

what's your guess Ralph uh sure 300 million $900 million $900 million dollars that's almost a billion they're never going to make that back off of Paramount Plus streaming service

they're never going to get that money back nobody's gonna fucking sign it It doesn't even matter of South Park. People are just going to tour that shit. That's crazy. Paramount Plus and Peacock are like the two streaming services in particular where everybody thinks that's too much I'm not getting it. Like that's the tipping point for most people.

I don't think, I don't think a South Park season or film or any number of them is going to change that. They're never making that money bad. That's crazy. That's absolutely fucking insane. Yeah, they already stream South Park on their website. Because they're already fucking rich. Holy shit.

can you imagine being them? And now here's the question. Did they haggle or was or was Paramount just like, yeah, 900 million? Like, did they just do that right away or do you think that they, they think that they had really good lawyers? There's probably some negotiation, honestly, for that figure, yeah. Well, yeah, what else is actually on that streaming service? What else is there? I don't know.

Mission Impossible. Is that Paramount? Fucking some spiel. I guess that's the answer. Is Transformers Paramount? Yeah, I think so. It doesn't matter. 14 more films.

It doesn't matter what's on it. It's too much now. Just fucking sign a... Just fucking merge with another more popular streaming service. Sign a fucking deal. Say like you'll get access to our entire catalog for like a share of your subscribers or something.

I don't know. Yeah, it's a lot of money. I think Disney bought Star Wars for like four billion. And this is like one billion. just about Yeah Yeah So like about one fourth

Which is whacky Maybe one fifth Yeah I don't know Yeah this is like South Park Yeah that's crazy Although I'd rather watch

14 more South Park films Than 14 more Star Wars films True I told me there are 14 more common Yeah same Oh fucking kill me But South Park I'm actually excited for

Hmm Yeah Maybe at this point Star Wars is worth A billion dollars I'm curious some like specified like between these movies and these seasons of the show like what does it mean by movies because their movies are already kind of like stitched together episodes

of the show anyway like they even did like special kind of movie tier episodes that were like three or four episodes combined well i guess that's what they'll be doing i just watched south park so i'm glad you brought this up like i just watched the the covid special they had last yeah is that what the quarantine special is that what was yeah it was like it was pretty pretty good, but it was like an hour long. It was like one big episode instead of a few episodes. So I imagine it'll be like that. It works in any format. South Park is something where I get the most enjoyment out of it if I'm watching it right away, like right as it's coming out, because it's so politically and culturally relevant.

Like that's what the whole show is, is like current events, basically. And it's fun to try and like figure out like, oh, here's the angle they're going with this one as the episode's playing. Yeah. I don't. I don't re-watch a lot of older South Park, you know? Yeah, same. It's that kind of show. It's a relevant show where you don't go back and watch like the old ones because they're irrelevant unless they're like really good. Like the Kanye gay fish one.

There's some classic. We're like the really iconic ones. But it's mostly like about seeing the newest ones. Like what are they, what's their take on this new thing? You know, what was their take on last year's quarantine? And, you know, that's the funny part. the video games are like really funny I really like the video games

because it's just like playing a season of the show yeah I love I love the way that the video games are designed and how they feel like the show I'm not a big fan of like turn-based combat unless it's Pokemon I guess yeah anyway that was a thing

just wanted to let you know that cool Madstone and Trey Parker just made 900 million dollars stole it from Paramount basically it's just obscene Awesome. Yeah, it's dope.

Another movie news thing that is going to tie into something else we're fucking doing. Mr. I believe it's Sir David Ayer. He's knighted? He's not. David Ayer, famous special boy director. He sent out a tweet saying, My Turn.

And there's like this big, like three pages that he typed up in Microsoft Word, where he's basically just saying that he wants. to do a like a Snyder cut of the first suicide squad I think is that's what it is yeah I didn't read this whole thing people were telling me this

on my Twitch chat I didn't realize did like a whole word doc well this has been rumbling for a while hasn't it I put my life into suicide squad I made something amazing my cut is intricate and emotion my cut is intricate and emotional journey well holy shit you didn't even prove free this that's so my cut

is intricate and emotional journey with some quote, bad people who are shit on and discarded. And then in parentheses, a theme that resonates in my soul. The studio cut is not my movie. Read that again.

You should have read it again. You would have noticed that sentence didn't work. And, oh my God, the next paragraph starts with the word and. And my cut is not the 10 week director's cut. Dash. It's a fully mature edit by Lee Smith

Standing on the Incredibly Work by John Gilroy. How did you fucking post this? Oh my God! On the incredibly work. It's all Stephen Price's brilliant score with not a single radio song and the whole thing. It has traditional character arcs, amazing performances, a solid third act resolution. A handful of people have seen it.

If someone says they have seen it, they haven't. Okay, what if they're part of the handful of people? So yeah, should be clear by now. I dant have any quit in me. What? How did you post this, David? It's still up. It doesn't even archived.

I dance happening. This is real. This is real. This is his verified account. I'll send him this. Hold on his Twitter. Hold on, I got it. Yeah, send the link.

I was trying to find it on his Twitter. I couldn't see it. Yeah, I was trying to read. I started reading from the second page there. That's real, right? That's real. Oh, yeah. My turn.

Yeah, you're right. So, yeah, should be clear by now, I dant have any quit in me. Never have. And why should I? Everyday breathing is a gift. I, though my story was going to end in a grave or a cell long ago. How can you have posted this? You've never

Oh my God So I'm starting I was thinking it was like I mean I guess Warder Brothers is partially to blame But now I'm like I can't David Ayer seems like a fucking idiot Holy shit This is amazing

Well yeah It's not the same thing as the Snyder cut Yeah I think that came up together a bit better So these I'm living Our bonus rounds I'm so honored and blessed to have the career I do. Quit after my kids watched me come home every day after the studio takeover of the edit with my heart torn out.

Who would I be to them if I quit? I've never told my side of the story and never will. Oh, so maybe he doesn't want to do a Snyder cut. Let's see. Okay, he's just basically me-toing Warner Brothers right now, I guess. Okay, yeah, it's literally, okay, the last two sentences. I appreciate your patience. I will no longer speak publicly on this matter.

So now, I guess the story is other people want to see an a-year cut based off of this post. That's the story. But yeah, this was sent to me in. Holy shit, I had never read it. And I thought that it would be at least coherent. But I guess after watching suicide squad, I shouldn't have expected that. That's hilarious. Sorry, I wanted to mention.

Batfleck too. On Ben Affleck's birthday there's like make the Batflict movie, make another Ben Affleck Batman movie, you know, it was like a lot of hashtags of that. Oh. Was he endorsing it? I thought he wanted to be away from it. Do the back then. So I think that just kind of went away. Do the Bartman. Do you think there's any chance of it happening? No. I don't, I think it's unlikely. Can you imagine? It's all kind of dumb with that, right? I mean...

Can you imagine if the DC universe is just like a bunch of redos? And that's all it is from this point on? Yeah, well, it's all very disconnected. I'm not sure where any of it really fits in. Yeah. Yeah. You have to basically take it as it comes in.

There's a lot of movies that aren't really that connected. Like, where's Harley Quinn fit in all that stuff? Like, I mean, her movie and it's like all this other stuff going on. I don't know. It's kind of a mess. Speaking of Suicide Squad, we watched. The suicide squad. The real one.

Sorry, David. Yours ones isn't the suicide squad. The new one. This is the only one. So you're not legitimate. You're illegitimate. What do you think? Oh, did you rewatch the other one?

No. Suicide school? No. No. What the, what would I do that? I don't know. I think I've seen it recently, like last year, just to rewatch it. No.

It's terrible. It's one of the worst fucking, you're right. It is the worst DC movie. It's worse than Batman versus Superman. Okay. It's the worst one. I can't think of anything. I would say so.

Maybe the second Wonder Woman at this point is kind of going up there, but I still think this is the worst one. That comes close. And it's mainly because it's ugly and it's boring. And this movie, The Suicide Squad is not ugly. It's not boring. It's pretty funny. It's night and day, the tone and the presentation.

Just the image. Those are gigantic factors here. Sure. And this new film, sure, there are moments where it seems like it's trying to be cool. But for the most part, it's just, you know, there are some legitimate fun parts where it's like, okay, the tone of what you're going for here is actually reflected in the film. It's not just, it's not just an attempt. There's some actual cohesion there. It's actually embracing the concept because that's what's fun about the whole suicide squad thing.

Yeah. James gone. He adds a lot of personality with it. he was good perfect fit isn't it? Yeah because the whole gimmick is like the misfit superhero characters

that no likes and that are just a joke punching bag Yeah that was like the joke of the whole movie Is that it's very clear These guys are like the outcasts The misfits And it's really funny to watch and die They're all like real DC characters

So you might go on the wiki and be like Oh in the 70s Yeah exactly They're still not really villains They still save the day And have a moral compass Which is kind of a gripe that I have with these fucking villain movies, but whatever.

Yeah. It's its own thing. Yeah. Harley Quinn's like, you can't do this to children. Okay. Yeah, but it's like polka-up man. Yeah.

DC has a huge catalog of weird villains like that. Yeah, of course. Because it is full of so many characters. Yeah. Because it's like so dense with characters. It actually has that underlying tension of, you know, the suicide squad in the name. Like people are blowing up violently left.

right there is actually some question mark as to who's going to make it to the end like Harley Quinn or Idris Elber but the rest of them it's pretty much up there so there's like some actual surprises and excitement yeah that side of the movie fucking spoiler alert everybody we're talking spoilers I just trust I trust a James Gun with this it's very much a James Gun movie around it feels like a combination of everything he's been yeah it's got all the actors he likes using it's got just elements of all the kind of campy exploitation stuff he's always enjoyed with like the horror stuff

yeah starfish villain comes in and it's really violent and bloody yeah the group movie with the and the humor as well is obviously a big focus and it's that typical James Gunn sort of you know throw a lot of the wall and I'd say like 70% of it's really funny

every now again there's one that like ruins it for me but it's just overall so consistent and the pacing so quick it's competent never like hung up which is a crazy thing to have with a film that says suicide squad in the title

yeah yeah like there were characters that actually died and that was pretty cool fucking Scrat died at the beginning or whatever you know like uh what was the name

it was like a ferret that's like the gag of that whole beginning the character that was yeah the crossover pro ice age yeah oh that's what you mean it was

weasel yeah that's what Scrat gonna look like in ice age 25 yeah were you waiting for then Catana to come out oh god no this is katana I'm glad yeah I'm glad

that they just replace some of the characters yeah fuck that line I hate that it's so cring yeah oh my god yeah there are some moments in this film that are also like kind of cringe humor like what you just referenced right there is very much it's far more self-aware

in this film there isn't like a what are we some kind of suicide squad they don't they don't say the title and this is also a comedy like you like you said like it's way more clear the tone of it there are very clear comedic attempts in the first film yeah none of it works there are moments like that in this newest film for sure where I feel like it didn't work and it was just for the uh I'm so random crowd sort of thing one of the moments that stuck out to me was like holy Quinn that isn't it I am walking back and forth I was like oh I rolled my eyes so I don't know what I found really

interesting about this is that it's like it's like a combat combination of old James Gun and new James Gun because he used to do a bunch of gory fun stuff and then he started doing Disney movies and now this just feels like the logical mesh of those two which is pretty fun yeah yeah yeah I think it works a lot better because he loves the edginess and like the R rated edginess is he's allowed to just do what he wants so yeah people are getting exploded there's crazy violence yeah lots of language too yeah lots of language oh yeah lots of language funny There's a character, Calendar Man. He has a funny line. Yeah, I can't believe I've seen Calendar Man in a movie. Yeah, that's what I mean. It was funny just to see them.

Mm-hmm. I think it worked well for the most part. Yeah. I wasn't completely into it the entire time. It was a really passive experience for me. It wasn't really like an active one. Obviously, it's a superhero film. There's, you know,

the people who defended the hardest, argue that it should be a passive experience and say turn your brain off sort of thing, right? So not really what I'm looking for, but yeah, it's a gigantic improvement. And I think that that should be recognized. I like this tradition of just throwing the older directors under the bus

and pretending like the studio didn't have anything to do with the first film's failure. Most people are like, David A, you piece of shit. But it's really like, it's, I mean, as much as David Ares has proven himself to be kind of a dummy. It is mostly Warner Brothers' fault, right?

And he wasn't a James Gunn at the time. James Gunn says so much more like power for the industry compared to him. This only happened because Mike Cernovich concerned trolled a bunch of Republicans together to try and cancel James Gunn over old tweets. So the moral of this story

is cancel people and he'll get good movies, I guess. You get the most interesting superiors. Yeah, and it'll have the opposite effect. They'll be more famous and successful. Yeah. It's like the only way the variable's could come together to make a good suicide squad movie.

Yeah. And then he made a movie like this too. Like, it's not like, it's a really hardcore movie like lots of violence and language. Like James Good didn't even give a shit. Yeah, so it is good actually because we got this movie. That's a good thing to point. Always cancel. I think I was more.

into it than you were. Yeah. More like 80, 20. Yeah. Like, not all the humor works, but I thought for the most part of it was funny. Like, there's nothing there's nothing that bad in it. Like, you can argue

like the comedy a little bit, but for the most part, I really liked it. I thought it was really good. Most of my enjoyment came from imagining other people enjoying it, you know? And I was like, damn, this is probably someone's favorite movie. I was like, this is probably like awesome for some people. And I was like,

I feel happy for you. people was pretty funny, like the guy's head and like his eyes were still moving. I like when he said um, nom, nom and there's lots of stuff like that. It's just like the blood. Yeah, me too. Yeah. It's like a novelty, you know. He's really efficient in how he's able to, like, characterize everyone.

James God. Yeah. Even, yeah, even with the characters that do return from that first movie, there's that like, like, generic army guy. Um, he's like the, the Robocop remake guy. can't remember he comes back and they actually give him a bit of a dynamic and you know they murder

what's his face boomerang man or something in the beginning it's like kind of loosely connected because they do I guess so basically finish Harley Quinn's like arc

it's like split between three movies and it's kind of concluded in this one there's like a vague reference to like being with Joker in the original suicide squad and then her going through that in birds of prey, is that what it was called? And I guess not always finishing this. It has three titles.

Yeah. Harley Quinn. But yeah, I think the way they handled Harley Quinn was really good in this movie. I'd kind of convince myself that I just didn't get on with that character after like her solo movie and that Suicide Squad movie. But James Gunn makes her work here. She's like given enough. She gets her own set pieces. She has some good, some genuinely good jokes set up lines.

and it was good payoffs. Even John Sina. There was one moment. John Sina was funny. John Sina, man, like, in all the movies, I've seen him in before this. He was like a real standout in terms of, you're like, straight up, just ruining this movie.

You ruin the Fred movie. You've been miscasted. You've ruined the pasted. Yeah, his dad. But no, he's like perfectly cast. It's like the same thing that James Gunn did in, like, Guardians of the Galaxy with Dave Boutista. It's like, he knows how to write for that.

kind of actor I think and uses him well yeah I don't know I I'm still kind of annoyed by early Quinn she's the least annoying in this film she didn't do as much I guess I just like I I not just like how she acts and how irritating her voices when she's performing this character I don't I don't even hate like Margot Robbie I just really hate this character like she's fine in other movies mm-hmm it's just this weird I feel like it's constantly a to like this whole hot topic cringe vibe and yeah there was one moment that I thought was funny I thought the line where um she was like so I did the healthy thing and I murdered him like I was like

ah that was kind of you know that was more to the for the writing than the character I guess but then it's also kind of conflicting when she's like oh I have a moral compass and this is you can't do that to children and it's like okay you're not really a villain and then there's scenes where like she's kind of like the fan favorite of this film if I'm not mistaken right like she's she's the one where like she people really like

to see her in this girls maybe and so because they know that they orchestrate these scenes around her character where she is the one in danger and she's like oh no I have to I'm being tied up and

they're going to torture me and the tone of those scenes where all of the sudden the campy fun gore nature is just removed from the film and we get this like serious like sad piano music where the film is unironically being like oh yeah you actually Harley Quinn's gonna die everybody or she's not gonna be okay or like you should care about this character and it's like uh it just kind of like uh it feels contradictory with the rest of the film, in my opinion. I just, I can't stand those moments. And there's a surprising amount of them. There's the

soundtrack in this film I really don't like. The licensed music I like, I thought that that was used a lot better than the first film, but the actual soundtrack, the musical composed score in this, I just, so irritating. Like every fucking five minutes, there's like

a boom, and things go slow motion. I'm like, that's not, this isn't, this isn't like campy tone anymore. This is like, oh, look at how cool this is tone and so i mean it's not like most of the movie i guess but like it was enough where i i got irritated yeah he was making it like a like a big mc u type movie you know it's a big scale and a few things at once and yeah yeah there's a lot going on i mean yeah i enjoyed it it was mostly carried by that humor though and and to be honest

like the action is is pretty impressive for this genre anyway in terms of some of the the recent DC affair like you mentioned Wonder Woman 84 and some of the more recent action even Birds of Prey which had Holly Quinn and had a bunch of action like the DC action has just been horrendous in my opinion for like years

so just seeing some clear to understand like good solid action scenes with the characters are like using their gimmicks and it's like combined with good jokes out and pay off that's enough that's all I really want from a suicide squad movie to be honest yeah I'm not a fan of Harley Quinn.

That's a personal preference. Yeah, the action scene with it was really good. It was after that part that you just talked about. Kind of. For the most part. They showed the part in the trailer where there's all these like flowers exploding behind her. And when I saw the trailer, I was like, oh, this is interesting.

I wonder how this is going to come into play in the film. Like, will they be in some weird psychedelic flower factory? Will she have taken drugs or something? But then it happens. And it's like, oh, no, this is just like a random, stylistic choice out of nowhere and then and then the cartoon birds show up and then I'm like oh now I'm just being reminded of

James Gunn's segment in movie 43 where there was like a cartoon cat in a live action world oh please I was thinking of movie 43 I was like ah this isn't yeah this is like James Gunn's like fifth movie if you don't count movie 43 isn't that crazy yeah you doesn't have that many films that just felt because he did a lot of writing didn't he like he wrote this Scooby-Doo

movies, the Zach Snyder zombie movie. Mm-hmm. He, uh, he, he wrote Lollipop Chainsaw, the Suda 51. Yeah, that's right. The video game, yeah. Yeah. It was kind of inspired by that. Mm-hmm.

From memory in terms of like, the standout, like, parts of the comedy that were kind of irritating me, there's like that crew of characters that kept cutting to that were in the, the room with, like, the Davies, the, like, side characters. They were like on the computers and they like attack Viola at one point. That group there really didn't work for me. Every time it like cut to them and was showing their responses were just like a bit to 120% for me. And with the like delivery of the lines. Whereas and every time it went to them I was kind of just hoping for it to go back to the main squad.

As much so like Viola Davies in this movie and her kind of over the top performance is the bad bad guy. I'm glad that the DC universe is like. like somewhat trying to recognize that there are some absurd characters like hidden deep into the in in their catalog that they can actually utilize they did that Lego Batman also there's like a lot of references like that

was part of the joke but yeah now it's kind of like Poca Dot Man it's funny I liked Pocodot Pokemon. Sure yeah and I love the whole thing with his mom character he has an arc like that was fucking that was that was disturbing I like that was the king shark character. I like that they played him dumb. I like the king shark dumb. And they chose a really good character actor for him as well. Mm-hmm.

Who? Stallone for a polka dot man. Yeah, he was in. Prisoners. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What do you think of Stallone? I didn't even realize it was him until the movie was over. I saw his name in the credits. I was like, are we going to see Silvest or Stallone?

And then the movie ended it, I was like, where was he? And then I looked at it. Yeah. In my opinion, I like the dumb king shark. I saw some other version of King Shark that was like a live action DC show you know like one it was really shitty ones like I would like the flash or something like the really cheap looking one and like King Shark's like you know a muscular cool like he talks normal I don't know that does not work for me at all I like I like the King Shark character in this mr. Street yeah moments reminiscent of like Groot yeah exactly like if it works in Guardians he's just like fuck it do it again in this and it fits I'm like I like I like this stuff I like Groot I like

King Shark. Here's a question. Yeah, so the best kills are from him. Do you think that this will win more or less Oscars than the first Suicide Squad? It's going to win less. I'm going to say less. The industry is rejected it. They all think it's like, yeah, a big bomb. It wasn't even great makeup. Yeah, and then everyone freaked out over Free Guy the week after. Oh, Free Guy's amazing. Finally, Free Guy. It's incredible. Oh, my God, Freakai. Suicide Squad. All that was a big bomb. Yeah, how is it is it an actual bomb or is it like on the entire bomb? Who cares like it's it's if Warner Brothers has hundreds of millions of dollars why do fucking people care? They'll probably make another one anyway.

Oh yeah, they're making another one regardless right. Right, exactly. They're gonna give John Cena's own show. Yeah, it's been off scene. Yeah. There's an audience for the shit. I believe his name's pronounced. Even they give him less money, like, okay, they'll make it a show.

They'll give it less money. Who cares? Like, there's an audience for this stuff. Speaking of the shit. of the weird characters. So one of them can just control rats, right? Yeah, yeah. Rat God 2 or what was the name? Rat Rat Catcher 2. Rat Catcher 2. Rat Catcher 1 died. So it's his daughter. Yeah. Like, that was funny. Rat Catchers is like a standout of the movie. She was great. She's really good characters, I thought.

And I had a thought about that, and I wanted to kind of get your reaction about something. So in the chat, I've posted a map just letting you know, this is, this is, this is, this is, where Alberta Canada is. And now I'm going to show you another map here. And this is the global population of rats where they live on the planet.

I just want you to look at that. It's just an Alberta shape... It's a big spot. Yeah. What? Yeah. So if they set the film in Alberta, Canada, her powers wouldn't have worked, basically. What's the... Why is this? Because Alberta went hard and killed all the rats, and

have rat patrol on the borders. Whoa, man. Yeah, and also it gets really cold there. That's a wacky. That probably helps. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. I love that, Matt.

It's so silly. We rat fobs, you got to head over. Yeah, it's just the Arctic, Antarctic, and then Alberta, where rats don't exist. And I guess a little bit in the last thing. Anyway. Yeah, that would have been funny. That's for the sequel. Yeah, incorporate it.

Film it in Alberta. I don't know. I don't have much else to say about it. Yeah, that's fine. It was a better film than the other one. Oh, for sure. It's one of the best DC movies. I like it maybe a little more than Shazam even. I like Shazam a lot.

I thought Shazam is really good. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm exactly way with you. I think those two are the only ones you need to watch. I like Shazam. Yeah. And Wonder Woman maybe if, like, I don't like it. Actually.

And definitely not the second one. And Harley Quinn, I hate. Yeah. I don't like it. All right. What did you give it out of ten? Out of ten? I don't know.

Eight out of ten? Yeah, that's what I gave it. Okay. Yeah, I'm slightly below. I might bump it up if I see it again and enjoy more of it. But I'd give it a seven. It's just a really solid James Gun movie. you can see his history in there.

And you're right. Is it moving forward a little bit? Just loads of fun. It's what I want to see from these kind of. It's exactly what I want to see. It's like someone's personality coming out through these like dumb characters. We kind of recognize and some new dumb shit to get attached to too too.

Mm-hmm. And I'm giving this one a six out of ten. It was competent only about a billion times better than the other one. And not really for me, not my kind of movie. But I'm happy for everybody else. else that can sploge their pants over it.

Happy for hypothetical. It's not hypothetical. I think that there's evidence. You enjoyed it. Well, yeah, I am. In the sense that I don't know the world exists outside my own brain, then it's hypothetical, I guess, in the way that everything

is. All right. There was a film recommendation from myself. Spoiler alert for Fanny and Alexander. If you've listened to this podcast before, you might understand that Fanny means a pussy in Britain

and it means but in normal countries. Normal. And, uh, nah, ignore that. This is, uh,

Ingmar Bergman's not last film, but it was at one point he thought it would be, I think. Maybe I should have gotten all my facts before recording this, but whatever. I just got back from Vegas. Yeah, and so I watched the miniseries version, 312 minutes long, but there's also another version, a theatrical cut, 188 minutes.

I did not have time to watch both cuts, but I enjoyed what I saw from the longer cut, with, I guess, some weird stuff going on in there that, makes me wonder whether or not the full length of the mini series is justified. But I'd like to get your thoughts on it. What did you guys think? So I saw the shorter version. And yeah, it's interesting you say that because those thoughts did not cross my mind once despite that three-hour runtime. I had quite a profound reaction to watching this.

There's like a certain caliber of movie that when you watch it, you feel like. you've just like discovered a new part of yourself or that like some emotional feeling is being shown to you in a way that no other art forms like managed to do for you before that's just the way this movie came together like for me really got a rise out of me um i want to get into it but i want to get ralph in on here too but it's like incredibly dense and a lot going on yeah it's great it's it's it's it's i'ma bergman yeah it's an igmar bergman film i saw it's fucking great. I mean, it goes without saying. Yeah, it looks excellent. That's really

what I gravitate toward. Which one did you watch? The story's great. Acting is excellent. Yeah, which version? The HBO Max version that's a movie. So, that's the short one. Okay. Yeah. I was the only one that watched the miniseries. Yeah, I guess so. But the movie version I really liked.

I thought it was great. It's just I count as one of his movies. Yeah. So basically in the miniseries version, if you compare the plot in the Wikipedia plot summary the first like two two and a half hours maybe like the first half of all of this

is like maybe paragraph maybe two paragraphs of the Wikipedia plot summary out of like eight paragraphs so it's really it what my understanding is that a lot of what was cut from the

a miniseries version would have been what it is essentially front-loaded with. And what's weird to think about is that those were the parts that I probably enjoyed the most was like the really extended like family dinner scene and just like family dynamic scenes

and like arguments and conversations and it really, it definitely felt like it fit the miniseries format in that sense. But then after a while when it gets to like the third or fourth episode then it kind of just

completely shifts into something different in a way where it's like oh okay I can I can almost kind of tell where the movie parts are more accurate or I can almost kind of tell which parts of the miniseries are more like the film if that makes sense at which point does this shift kind of happen

like in the story when they're living with what was his name I'm gonna grab my notes out the bishop or whatever when they're at what point does that does that happen in the film

it split up quite clearly like the first hour is mostly the setting up the family in those scenes and the whole like theater background yeah like you're saying

with the dinner scenes and fleshing those characters out and then I think it's by the second hour the kind of abuse side begins with him yeah being in that side.

And then so that would go from that point until the end of the movie and that would be like, what, two and a half hours or something? So that feels like an exact, an exact translation almost of like the miniseries. Because that's about when it happens in the miniseries is like when there's like two and a half hours left in the miniseries. So yeah, pretty much I guess everything added in the miniseries would have been just like more of like the theater and family, you know, Christmas dinner, all that stuff.

which I really enjoyed but it almost just felt like conflicting with what the rest of the film was you know because it felt like a really late initial incident in a sense but yeah I would love to watch the theatrical version

because there's a lot that I really enjoyed about the miniseries anyway yeah because the only thing I noticed in the theatrical version that made me even think about the fact that was it originally shot and intended to be a show first and they then trimmed that into the movie version. I don't know.

I think that's how it went down. I don't know if it was necessarily supposed to be a mini-series first, but it was originally, my understanding is it was supposed to be the length of the miniseries. Right. Maybe released as like an entire just standalone film. But then it was cut down and then it was, you know, maybe the mini-series format was added after two. I don't, I'm not sure.

Because, yeah, early on, there's that scene with one of the, okay, I've been stressing about how we're going to, like, reference the characters because they're all, like, Swedish names. And, like, there's quite a big family of lots of characters. Oh, yeah. I'd say the brother of, um, the, the, the dad who dies, the, like, ghost character. One of the brothers, there's a scene early on where he's, he has a private, it's the farting guy, I think. Oh, is that, uh, Carl? Yeah, Carl.

Yeah. Um, he, yeah, he has that scene where he's confessing his sort of stresses about his, uh, his money situation. And in the in the in the movie version it doesn't really come to anything or build up to anything. Whereas the other brother character, the one who's kind of described as a bit of a sex addict type character, he gets a lot more screen time is and gets more of a satisfying conclusion.

Whereas that feels more just I was just wondering if there's more to that in the extended show version. How much did you see of Carl being like an abusive piece of shit? Because there was a bit of it. It's only in that scene, I'd say, that there's any, like, real focus put on that side of it. And as I say, it doesn't really boil to too much. Maybe foreshadowing the whole abuse side of the story. Yeah, there's a few instances of that in the miniseries, for sure.

And I guess maybe the scene itself would, might have been longer, like, the scenes themselves. Yeah. The ones that were in both versions. I don't know if I would say that it amounted to much in terms of like what the rest of the film was or the conclusion of it it might just be more of like universe building character development sort of thing

which I really loved like I loved that it felt like a really real family of like holy shit like there's definitely like every one of these characters it feels so real it reminded me a lot of the white ribbon and I know that Hanukkah's mentioned Bergman as an influence for sure. But yeah, definitely, definitely a lot of those vibes.

One of my notes just said, Carl is so consistently sweaty. Well, yeah, it's another movie to add to the list of, like, farting scenes, like in good news. That's one of the highlights. That's right. The funny hearting scene. Like, from an art film like this,

you don't expect a scene where, like, a guy's farting like that. It's like the lighthouse, yeah. You just don't see the film. No, I mean, hysterics, I was not expecting that at all. But everyone has an uncle like that. It does really grow on the family and make you really invested. That first hour really gets you invested. So when it starts kind of going out of control, you really feel it with the characters.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm super excited to watch the theatrical cut. Because I, like, just with the understanding of, like, how things are laid out, I think that it makes more sense pacing-wise. Like, I'd imagine I would enjoy it more. Not to say I didn't enjoy the cut that I saw a bit. So was the pacing actually a stand-out thing to you in terms of how it wasn't coming together?

Because it's like the pacing and the three-hour version I thought was like, it was like immaculate. It was like no lingering. It's not that I felt bored, but it's that it's that I got the impression that structure-wise it didn't gel in a logical way for me. where I felt like there was something really clean about those three hours yeah I don't I'll have to report back about this another time but I'm I'm curious

if the ideal experiences if you're gonna watch both I'm curious if the ideal experience is watching the film first and then the miniseries later or miniseries first and then the film later because you'd make an argument I was it's always risky of like extended versions because I had a bad

it isn't designed to be a series, but it's kind of just like a director's cut of a movie, which if you want more detail, I'd say, yeah, it's probably good. Like, I want to watch it definitely now that I've seen the normal cut, you know? Yeah.

So we all want to watch the cuts that we didn't see, I guess. Yeah, the alternate cuts. Well, because the movie's good. Yeah. Sorry about that, fellas. No worries. It's going to real night mess outside the door. Yeah, we're just saying,

it seems like all three of us, want to watch the other version that we didn't see. Yeah, but I am glad, I think, that I started with this, this shorter one after the, it was almost famous, like, accidentally watching the extended one and then just regretting and seeing, like, the pacing and just, it's not, like, unbearable or anything. It's just, it doesn't seem to make as much sense as it could have in terms of telling a story, I guess. If the whole thing was, like, the first...

half of the miniseries for me, then it would kind of make more sense. But it kind of just shifts into something different. It makes, I loved what I was seeing and feeling with the first half, but then the second half almost makes it feel, makes me question how much of it was justified, I guess.

Almost feels like just supplementary material. Yeah, I could imagine that. I wouldn't need much expanded on, on the story I got, to be honest. I feel like everything is explored of just enough, clarity because there is like a there are a lot of themes to this movie and a lot that happens to the characters to be honest haven't even mentioned fanny and alexander yet which is i know it's weird because

it's like the story almost in the first half of the miniseries especially it's like the story isn't even really about them you know also like what the fanny didn't do much why is her name in the title yeah i was thinking about that side of it like how the the poster in the name doesn't really summarize this story that well it'll give you a good jumping off point. She got taught billing her name came first Is that way you picked it at him? Because Fanny? Yeah, because it says Fanny in it.

We can have an episode with Fanny. Why do you think her name is included? Because the story isn't told from like the dual perspective. It is mostly from Alex's perspective. Well, yeah, yeah. Because it's 2016, I don't know. I have no idea.

I want if any if anybody has any interpretations in the YouTube comments please let us know I'm sure that there are people who have seen this film many more times than us that could offer a bit more context on some things but this is our our first time watching it and we have also kind of a limited experience with Bergman's repertoire repertoire is that how you say the word I don't know if I can know repertoire yeah because I actually had persona down to recommend I'm sure I probably won't do now. Do it.

Yeah, because I've always seen that post of like on IMDB. Yeah, I won't do it next. And what's the magician? That's the one I saw with Max von Sito. Yeah, his movies are great. He's like one of the classic directors. So, yeah, any one of his movies you watch is probably knocking on like a 10 out of 10 movie, basically. They're all.

Yeah, because he's extremely prolific. He's got, yeah, prolific and like a lot of style. His movies look gorgeous. And loads of credits, too. His IMDB is full of movies. Oh, yeah. 60-old. Yeah, he was working hard.

His older films, we'll see what happens when I watched them a second time, but for my first experience with the ones that I've seen, The Seven Seal and Persona, I found myself, like, appreciating them more than I was, like, directly enjoying them. That's kind of why I picked a more recent one. And sure, whatever shit on me for just not enjoying older films as much, can't really help it.

but I was kind of interested just to see, you know, apparently this was one of his better films that is also from the 80s, you know, so it seemed like something that was kind of up my alley. And I was curious to see how he's kind of like changed over time. It's actually fucking wild to think of the context of just looking at something like the Seventh Seal and how it was made and like the limitations of the time and the, you know, black and white, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Like to imagine that that's the same director that made Fannie and Alexander where this newer one almost looks like something that, you know, almost looks like a Kubrick movie or something, you know. It's just like completely gigantically different looks and feels and tones even, but you can still kind of see the same voice in there. It's, I just think it's fascinating just watching someone transform in that way, which is, yeah, a big, big reason why I picked it. It's fascinating just from It's just from its basic setting

Like it's a period piece that's at what 1901 sort of time? Yeah early 1900 Before World War I and in Sweden too Like it's just a unique setting all round So that is immediately interesting And just seeing the family in the setting And from that time period And that kind of Victorian style of teaching children

And disciplining children And the kind of knock on a face that has and has had is all very, very sad is the way it balances the happiness and sadness, the kind of ying and yang of like the human condition and just that side of it. And the whole Alexander's kind of a stand-in, right, for Bergman himself, right? Or some autobiographical kind of elements where his dad in real life, I think, was a priest. So it's really interesting seeing the faith side of the story and the way that comes comes out with this bishop character and there's a there's a lot of they play with the the faith side with the whole there's that there's that scene towards the end with the with the puppets in the that guy plays a cruel trick on alexander with the the god puppet coming out and it's like questioning this whole perspective of this child and his imagination because that's a whole another side of it was criticizing his imagination and how his imagination keeps getting him in trouble

and really you see his whole life he's just been thrust into the situation this kid Alexander and all the stuff that happens to him as hardly his fault like it's no one's no one's fault really in the movie yeah exactly so but seeing his struggles and the way he deals with it and just over the period of time and how it affects the family but also just the you know the kind of movie starting with a death and ending with a birth and the like loss and the hope that comes from what you goes through. It's really emotionally affecting. The end of that

first hour is probably the most memorable point to me when that death does occur and you just get that wailing and with that mother character in the bedroom with that slit and with her curiosity pacing. Just going up there and love it. Just the approach of how the kids are used is just

like the audience stand in, just these innocent purveyors of what's happening, just watching. Yeah. It's not like shoving in a bunch of really awkward kiddie dialogue to try and over explain everything. They're usually just reacting to what the adults are doing to them. They've really got no autonomy at all. Conceptually, this is a really great base for like a story.

It works together really well because of the way that the characters are used, obviously the characters themselves, the dynamics and especially the setting. Because like I was thinking, you know, just the. fact that it is in the early 1900s, you have a lot of really easy things to pluck from in terms of what can create drama in a story, you know? Inherent drama, yeah. Yeah, like, it's with, with, you know, the way that children were treated and religious institutions and, you know, marriage.

Yeah, there's so much more there that we've kind of grown from, for the most part, most people in society where if you set a story in current year it's a little less commonplace right so you have a bit more opportunity for drama the further back in time you go and some like sweet spots if you want to make something really dramatic

did you guys get the the most valuable chair in the world sequence remind me that's not ringing any immediate bells the kids are like still awake and they they're using like a kerosene projector slideshow thing and they're supposed to be in bed

and then one of the adults she's like it smells like kerosy and get to bed and like is angry at them and then man character I forget which one of the characters there are there's so many characters in this but it'll be better when I watched this the second time

Is that a director's cutscene? That's what I'm asking yeah I remember the point of that scene being more the emphasis being on the kids like scaring each other with the projector like stormed yeah and then it turns into the man character

he although he's supposed to be putting the children to bed he kind of stays up and like plays with them a bit but not like any kind of like rambunctious roughhousing it's more of like a creative storytelling sort of thing and it really kind of like sparks their imagination he takes this chair that looks like really old and

decrepit and he's like this is the most valuable chair in the world it's it looks like a regular chair made out of wood but it's actually made of gold but you have to be very careful with it and blah blah blah you know um did you get that at all i don't think that part of it's in that was a scene that i really loved that was in the um mini series yeah that was a great scene so yeah i would recommend you check out the miniseries version then to be honest you have lots of great scenes to pick from that was my first thought when it ended was So I want to see more of this family. I want to see more expansion to it because it's just so,

it's so relatable. Even if you don't have family members that are one to one, just the drama that does come from it is the kind of stuff that is fairly relatable. You know, it's really about someone that gets trapped in an abusive relationship and can't escape. And, I mean, it's a fairly broad thing that lots of families can relate to. The awkward dynamics in there and just the way they make their characters, feels so realistic so when it does crumble and

especially the horrifying side of it is interesting to me that this whole idea that like the human drama, the real stuff that's happening is scarier than any ghost story or other worldly horror they can come up to lie and scare each other. What the like stepdad character does and like the torture

he, you know, dishes out to the kids is just like horrible stuff and you can tell like the way it's directed from the kids perspective it just it does ring true extra with just seeing these kids going through it. Yeah. Yeah, you can tell it's

very personal. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. Which is the type of movie that's that's kind of what I'm looking for, you know? Yeah, it's so expressive. The music was great. I really loved the score. In the miniseries version, there was a bit

more music, I think, because a lot of it came over titles explaining each act the film. I don't know if you got that. So, like, in the miniseries version, it seemed like they were, like, episodes. But I don't know if, I don't, maybe, that could have happened in the theatrical cut. I don't know. Did you, did you get, like, this? It doesn't flow like that. It's more just one, one direct thing as opposed to, like, episodic.

Yeah, it would basically just show, like, a flowing little, like, water from a creek outside their home, I think, and just play some string music. And then it would say something, like the fourth act events of summer or whatever the title was, right? It was a good way to break it up. What's really weird about the miniseries version also is that

on IMDB it's listed as having five episodes, but on Criterion, the Blu-ray that I have, it has four episodes, but the second episode is very clearly the second and third act together.

So in episode three, you get the fourth act. So on IMDB, it separates the act, but I don't know how it was originally, was it originally aired as one act per episode? Because the second and third act are like the shortest ones. So that's why they combine them on the criterion thing, obviously. But I just don't know how they were originally presented, I guess. I have no idea. But yeah, I love the plays on just, I guess, reality versus fiction, sort of like imagination or, like, like what, you know, it's, it's pretty vague about, like, what was real and what wasn't, I guess.

Like, you could, I guess you could just explain it all as just being like imagination sort of thing. But then especially, you know, kind of towards the end where it's like, just like fantasizing deaths that happen sort of thing. Like the idea of fantasy becoming reality or fantasy influencing reality maybe. But not a hacky way. Yeah, yeah. It's very subtle. it was all a dream. Yeah,

it was a little more interesting than that. Yeah. Yeah. I love that the, uh, Alexander as a character, I love that he believes in God, but thinks he's an asshole.

I love that about it. Yeah, the dialogue's really good. This movie has stood out to me. Yeah. That's awful it is how, how it just gets you thinking about it. Because yeah,

that whole faith element is just so fascinating to me with this, this bishop character and how he, does have a real problem with God and he says he wants to kick his butt or something like that. It's quite funny. Yeah, if there's a God, he's a shit and I want to kick him in the butt is his line. Yeah, there's countless great lines like that. I loved that part, the whole angle of that theater loving character, the theater director or whatever, or the actor. And when he's describing, he has his little speech at the beginning about like, yeah, my only talent is like, I love this little world.

It's like the only thing that makes sense to him. Like the control of the theater and the storytelling and what you can get. How you can, what's he say, the, yeah, it gives people a chance to forget for a while. And it's just it really strikes true of the power of storytelling and what is so crucial about the whole art form of filmmaking and what you can get out of, there's the unique emotions you can pull out of people when you, you harness it in this way. It's like really strong stuff. I'm really glad you got so much out of it, Alex. I got a lot out of it too.

Yeah, I really wasn't expecting it, to be honest, because I was seeing that poster, and I'm just not that familiar with Bergman. Yeah. Is this the only Bergman you've seen? Well, I have memories of watching persona before, but I think I gave up. I was too young at the time. I just wasn't with it.

So, yeah, it was like jumping in fresh. and it's just exactly what I was looking for at this time. I got so much out of it. Because, yeah, you said about the visual side, I mean, the framing of everything, even incorporating that whole theater side of it, like the opening shot, he's like framed in the like paper craft book.

And it's all, it's all so intentional the way the composition and just the way the camera moves. It's just so thoughtful in that way. There's a lot of like really strong imagery in this film. And I'm so confident that this shot must have been in the actual movie part is when the mother gets into bed with Fannie and Alexander. And this is like after, you know, some of the abuse from like the priest or bishop.

And just the imagery of all three of them in bed where sure, the context of the movie implies this too. But like just the image alone is such strong. like you can tell that she's like being a protector sort of thing. And it's just like this really genuine powerful shot that, you know, you could just take the single frame of it and it makes for like a photograph that says so much. Yeah, I love shit like that. I feel that way about a lot of movies. You can take any image from this movie and it's like, yeah, it means so much. It's always very purposeful.

The blocking of all the actors. You could have like a gallery. It's great. Which is like how it should be like. every movie you know but oh yeah ideally yeah i'm looking at you john watts fuck you know here it's just perfect it has style it's clearly him it's clearly you know someone with a vision yeah it's just a great movie i mean there's nothing it's fucking brilliant yeah life-changing shit yeah i like the conversations that characters had with like deceased loved ones

you know, like the concept of that reminded me of six feet under, and I'm wondering I'm wondering how far I could go back in time where it would feel just like that, you know? I'm wondering what the earlier instances of that would be. Not like obviously

the concept of you know, communicating with the dead exists like so far back but for some reason just the way it was done in kind of this like subtle kind of nonchalant sort of thing Like if somebody walked into this, a part in the film where that was happening,

they wouldn't understand that the character is dead sort of thing. You know, they would just think they're talking with character. So it's supernatural that feels natural. Yeah. It's the way in which it's done that gives me that vibe. Yeah. It reminded me a few other things, too. I thought I Harold and Maud.

That was a movie that came up before. I don't know if Bergman saw it, but it reminded me of that, reminded me of what was another one? I was thinking of another one too. I'll probably remember it. Yeah. So you got,

your version had probably just as much of the like being tormented by ghosts stuff with Alexander, right? Did they vomit on him in yours? Because that happened in my mind. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. They vomited. I don't remember of, oh my God.

No. Yeah. It reminded me a very long time. Linden, that was one. I was thinking of Barry Lundon. Just like any period piece, really. Yeah. Like the Peerate Peace environment.

Right. The favorite. Yeah. I thought of that stuff. Jesus, rough. So he's haunted Morris in the extended version. Because I really love the way they handle the, like, ghosts, the ghostly interactions in the theatrical version, especially that final interaction he has with the stepdad once he knows he's dead. And he, like, trips him in the hallway.

Yeah. Oh yeah, that was insane. Like, you'll never forget him. Yeah, shit. He's part of him now. Fuck. Really strong storytelling. It's like horrifying. Mm-hmm. I thought like the movie you could end there and it would have been like perfect. Yeah, what was your ending shot? I'm assuming it was the same as mine, right?

Mine was. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, it was Alexander like falling asleep is Helena, I think, reads it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, this, when she watched you say, the imagination speech. bins and weaves new patterns. Yeah, so good. Was there anything that you didn't like about it? To be honest, my mind was the only thing that came up was just in those earlier scenes.

Like I wrote a note down, I think, 15 minutes in right before you first start getting some exposition as to like, actually what is happening? I wrote down, like, I have no idea, like, what is happening or who anyone is, but I don't care. It is just about the family and it feels so genuine. And I mean, yeah, there was very little in terms of that stuff that pulled me out of it even for a second. I was just so into the, especially that dialogue and just the look of it. Like, that was carrying me in that beginning part where I was waiting for the story to build on itself.

It was just so beautifully put together. So I saw a few people like on the, I think the subreddit saying how like they tried watching it. And that first hour they like couldn't because they couldn't get on with it. In the theatrical route? I think the first hour might be my favorite hour. Yeah, there really wasn't anything that stood out. What about you, Ralph? Yeah.

No, like, you said the first hour stood out, like, the whole movie. I thought it was great. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, I was invested, I was invested in the entire thing. I didn't feel like three hours, flew by. It was just interesting. It was just good, it's a good story. Yeah, that's a big thing for me.

Like, it's an Igmar Bergman movie. Like, what are you dumb? You don't like it? Hey, if someone doesn't like it. Yeah, this is art, right? It was like pure art. This is, this is, this is, this is, this is one of the, uh, dedicated, uh, keynote films. This is, this will determine whether or not you, your cinema license has to be revoked.

If you, you don't enjoy this film. Yeah, there, um, just some minor things I didn't. Yeah, well, stood out to you. Well, it's kind of nitpicky, I guess, but some of the sound effects I thought were not well handled, a little fake. some of the folly. There are like a couple moments maybe where, you know, despite the language barrier, the child acting was like a little like, me, at a couple moments. For the most part, it was great. And they were utilized like really properly for sure. And then, yeah, I don't think

there was that much more. Just like mostly, yeah, the moments that took me out of the movie the most were all Foley related. And as I've said before, I'm like a big, you know, audio is like a huge thing to me. So I don't know. Probably it's not going to say. everybody in that way. And yeah, just I I'd imagine that I would like the theatrical cut more. It definitely sounds like you weren't based off

this conversation. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I should have watched them in the other order. But, you know, it's good that we've watched different versions because now that perspective's on the podcast. Yeah, you've made me want to watch the longer version and the shorter version, so.

Yeah, I'm excited to see it. Oh, yeah, one final thing I kind of want to point out. I'm assuming both of you have seen that classic Don Hertz felt short called Rejected or Rejected cartoons or something. A bunch of memes off of that thing where it was like My spoon is too big

Or it almost got too popular sort of thing. Okay. You don't even know what that is Ralph? You should watch it. It's pretty funny. No, yeah, I remember my spoon is too big. There's like that one sequence where there's that like the fluffball character and he's like, my anus is bleeding.

I can't even do that. But it's like, I haven't thought about it. this in it. Oh shit. Like so many years. He's still making films. They're,

you know, World of Tomorrow is really good. Yeah. Check him out. Don Hertzfeld, everybody. Um, yeah, he,

there's a song that plays in the background of that. And after watching this film, I now know that that song that plays in the background of the my anus's bleeding sequence is apparently a Swedish fuel song because they sang it in this film. And I was like, what is that? What is that? And that it immediately in my mind,

it just associated with that my anus is bleeding sequence from Don Hertzfeld's rejected. I was not expected to think of that. I know. During the... I was like, that's it. Ureca!

Yeah, great movie. What would you give an out of ten? I think I pretty much said everything on. It's a cheesy ten. Yeah, yeah. It was just a gut five out of five for me. I fucking loved it. But I'm giving it an eight out of ten for now

and I expect it to raise when I watch the theatrical cut. We'll see. Yeah, I could see what happens. Yeah, that's fine. You recommended it. I thought you'd give it higher. I thought it was great. It doesn't matter.

I wanted to check it out. We watched different versions, Ralph. That's true, too. Yeah, you might give the other version of 10. That's what I'm expecting. I'm very curious on this longer version now. Yeah, I watched it over the course of like two different days too. Mm.

Definitely. Yeah, I watched the whole thing in one day. long. So yeah, when we watch the other ones, we'll report back, I guess. Okay. All right. I guess it's question time. Okay, let's do some questions from the sod-on cast community. If you want to leave your own questions for us to answer in future episodes, head over to the suggestion thread on the subreddit. Just ask us whatever you like, just like Butter 467 did.

I was going to guess going here. With Adam recently going through some YouTube trouble regarding an old joke on his gaming channel, Are there any other YouTube horror stories you've all experienced? And also, do you feel the moderation bots are ruining sites like YouTube, Twitch, and Facebook, etc.? I'll let both of you go first before I fucking yell for a while, I guess. Yeah. I guess a channel being deleted is pretty good. That's quite a good one in terms of YouTube bullshit.

Oh, yeah, when my channel was deleted. Oh, yeah. I found out, I guess it was because of like metadata. I used too much metadata in my bios. I had quite extensive source lists and things which is apparently it was but like okay

that's all I got I don't know if that was like the actual truth or whatever yeah my video the Nutshack video getting deleted by YouTube for no fucking reason they said it's spam it's spam because they wanted all the Nutshack

stuff gone probably because it took up like most of their servers 10 hour versions of Nutshack Oh yeah I forgot about that year but like I made a review of it got deleted and it's still like there's all that revenue I could have made from it, all the subscribers and views I could have made

from it, it's not allowed to be up. It's like, fuck you. When they didn't that was like B-movie reviews around that time as well? Yeah. But as far as my video's concerned, it's fucking ridiculous. Spam should only get you dinged if it's like a bunch coming from the same account anyway. I don't know why you're... It's not spam.

It's like the same content as like the rest of my content. It's the same shit. Just targeted for being nutshack-related. It's not. for being nutshack related but nutshack was popular at the time I had a huge like following of people and they got turned on to the review

because it's nutshack stuff and it's like YouTube just put a stop on it for no reason is that still taken down because I remember didn't you allude it called like redacted or something the redacted ones up it's not monetized something like that

yeah I've been dealing with fucking YouTube bullshit like it's constantly constantly dealing with bullshit from YouTube in like many different ways. For the past year, uh, basically there was an issue with, uh,

there is still an issue with, um, how my music is listed on YouTube. So basically when you use, uh, a platform like, uh, distro kid or reverb nation and you upload your music there,

it'll produce, it'll distribute it to other platforms like Spotify, iTunes, YouTube, whatever, right? And that's all done automatically. I've been doing that under my band name and unkindness since 2010 publicly, and, you know, been producing music publicly since before that.

But yeah, it's been on the platform and whatever for a while. Cut to some time in 2020, I guess June 2020, and some asshole who also lives in Canada, whose name I'm not going to docks right now, but perhaps in the future I'll need to if this doesn't get resolved. because it's, I found it publicly anyway, but anyway, some asshole who also lives in Canada decided to start publishing their shitty music under my band name. And YouTube, despite them using a different service, YouTube decided to merge both of the albums into the same page. And so

this isn't my owned and operated channel that I post my music video on. This is, this is something called a topic channel that gets automatically generated when you upload music through YouTube service. And so that was annoying. And then we were like, okay, so I emailed this person because I'm an internet detective and I found out who they are.

And we basically both emailed different, we had different email chains with the YouTube music email or whatever and like the services that we use trying to get them separated. When honestly, what I should have fucking done, what I honestly should have fucking done is just lawyered up and sent a cease and desist saying

stop publishing music under my band name. That's what I should have done. And it's over a year later and I'm regretting not doing that at the time. And so what they did is they separated the music from the channel. However, what this fucking asshole did is there's a, I know this is so fucking stupid and complicated.

But there's something you can do where you can merge your own owned and operated channel with the top. channel. And so what this person did using my band name was he merged his existing owned and operated channel with the topic channel that was automatically generated for my music that 600 over 600 subscribers were built up with my own songs on them. And YouTube allowed him to do this despite him not owning my music. And so now if you click, if you find my music through like the YouTube music shit or like Google music or whatever, it's,

links to this other person's channel where their Twitter is linked and their bio is linked and their profile image. And all the subscribers that I had built up, even though it was on a topic channel that I didn't own and operate, but it was people that wanted to hear more of my music. This person now owns a YouTube channel that has all of those subscribers on it and is not giving me the access to the channel. was like what YouTube gave this to me would you just give me your channel

sort of thing and I'm like I'm absolutely fucking frustrated out of my mind because this has been going on for over a year and yeah this is I'm like I'm so pissed off about this so and we'll see where this goes but I know

you can literally just steal people's subscribers on YouTube if you see if you see a fucking topic channel on YouTube apparently you can just start producing music under the same name and then merge your own owned and operated channel with it and you can just steal their subscribers and then you can post whatever fucking video you want to these subscribers that somebody else already built up and they're not fucking doing shit about it and I'm pissed off I'm so mad

anyway we'll see where that goes it's been over a year it's been over a fucking year that is a ridiculously long time for that to be extended to yeah Jesus Christ yeah yeah just these claims in general like what percentage of the them do you think are even like even remotely legitimate like some of them seems so like targeted and just like oh you're like talking about that thing that our company owns let's just put a claim on that just you know right just in case total worse shit yeah it's a big company like what do they even care yeah exactly they've got nothing to lose only to gain if it's a company if it's an LLC like why don't even give a shit if you're going after someone specifically going after a movie like

Who cares? It's just a movie. Certain movie companies are worse than others for that kind of stuff. Yeah. Like WB in particular, in like awful for it. Whereas like, as much shit as we give like Disney,

it doesn't seem as bad for that kind of stuff. No, when you're talking about their products as much. Yeah. It's just case by case, I guess. Sometimes. Yeah, that's fucked up. Yeah, I'm so mad about that.

Yeah, what can you even do. What can I do is I talk to a fucking lawyer and I have to pay like $5,000 if I want to send a cease and desist to this person. And I don't know if I can like afford just doing that whole fucking angle to it. So I might just have to make a big fucking video about it and make a big public stink

about this shit. I don't fucking know what I'm going to do. I'm pissed off about it. You shouldn't be able to steal someone else's subscribers that they built up. You shouldn't be able to do that. You shouldn't be able to have someone else's music associated with like your Twitter account and your brand or

whatever. Like you, I don't know why YouTube would allow people the tools to do that and that's really fucked up and I'm really pissed off. So, I don't know. It's just one thing to add to the million, million, billion things that I have on my mind that are just wasting my time. So, I don't know what I'm going to do. All right, next question, I guess. G.H. Rocker has one. Please confirm or deny this fact so it can leave my brain forever. is the original Sardonicas logo font, the Ninja Naruto font? If not, what is it? Legit been wondering this from episode one.

Is it? I don't know. Apparently it is. I don't know. Who the fuck knows? Doesn't matter. I did some work myself on it. Like I added stuff. So it's not like, if it is the ninja font, that's not entirely it. Doesn't matter.

Okay. Probably. I don't know if they call it. though. I think it is. Maybe. Macup Bob Zilla left one. With so many great movies to look into, people tend to forget that failures can have merit too.

Learning from past mistakes, good ideas, buried, etc. What in your opinions would you say are some of the most valuable cinematic failures to watch? Obviously, what jumps to my mind are self-untails. Like, I'm still obsessed with that movie. I haven't built up the courage to watch it again. Is that new test out yet? terrible. Oh, is that, yeah, maybe...

Oh, dude, mate, if that's out, maybe a... Southland Tales, the prequel, or sequel, too. It's nonsense. I just did that movie, I just, I can't get enough. Yeah, that Southland Tales was fucking awful. It was like trying to be a parody of L.A. Yeah, that was horrendous. What's the question?

Bad movies, I don't want to revisit. Like, um, what would you say are the most valuable cinematic failures to watch? I think the last Airbender is up there. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's a terrible. Yeah. Failures on that level, like, I think Justice League at this point is, like, fascinating.

Yeah, a lot of the DC stuff. Justice League, Batman versus Superman, suicide squad. Just a lot of them. There's WB movies, man. They seem to be making some of the worst trash. Yeah, and I saw like some lists like ranking them like, number one, man is steel. Number two. And they put like James Guns Suicide Squad like toward the bottom.

It's all a matter of opinion. But yeah, I like the fun stuff. at least stupid. I don't know. It depends how you define valuable, I guess. Because there's somewhere where it's like fascinating that it happened, but the story behind it is like more interesting than what you see in the film, like Fantforstic sort of thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love a lot of disastrously bad movies. Mm-hmm. Yeah, what was the last one? Battlefield Earth. Battlefield Earth is funny.

Yeah. Especially ones that flop really hard where it's like, okay, this is just a big mistake. Those are the ones I'm thinking of. Those are the ones you really got to take notes from. Yeah. Learn how this happened. Yeah. Mars needs moms.

John, actually John Carter, I don't think was that bad. I didn't see it. Yeah, it's not like that was a big mess step. Yeah. That was like a pixel of a dirt to trying to jump.

Yeah. It was kind of a weird era for them. Marvel kind of just saved their whole company, really. Marvel, Pixar, and a lot of smart choices they bought, you know. They bought Star Wars, too. I don't think that worked out as well in terms of the quality. I mean, just the quality of the movies. They probably made money from it at this point.

Yeah, maybe not as much as they would have liked because some mistakes they made. Oh, yeah. They never make it enough for them to be happy. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the story's about as well written as like the Kissing Boof movies. Yeah. All right, next question. We have an interesting one here from Mr. MM10 who just says,

favorite pizza toppings. I'm curious what we're going to say from our different... No, you guys go first. I'm not giving you any answers. As far as favorites are concerned, I'm going to throw olives out there. How do we feel like? Black olives? Black olives?

I like black olives. Black olives, yeah, yeah. Black olives. Yeah. They're a higher tier, yeah, like pizza topping. What are the other high tier? ones then in your mind. I don't know cheese tomato sauce. Those are those are just mandatory cheese tomato sauce that's that's that's how good they are they're

they we consider the mandatory pepperoni those are the best and then you know maybe a little I like mushrooms on there I do like mushrooms on pizza mushrooms are good to be honest I feel like it's easier to say things I'd rather not have on one there's only one thing I got disliked on my pizza and that was anchovies the one time I got curious and tried anchovies on pizza. Maybe they were just shit quality or something, but like, holy fuck, they're way too salty. It just tastes like, it tastes like shit fish and like I'm eating like an actual block of salt. Like if you had a sugar cube, but it was just salt.

I think of cloudy with a chit's of meatballs. And I like, I peeled, I did, I, it was so disgusting that I peeled them off the rest of the pizza, but the flavor had seeped into it that it didn't matter if I took them off. And so the entire pizza was too late. So, I don't know, maybe it's an acquired taste, and I'll love it the second time. I have no idea. But I just, that was, that was the only pizza topping that I disliked ever. Because, yeah, there's that whole feature hour episode, but they, like, fight to get the final, like, kind of anchovies, and they will take a bite and do that exact reaction.

That's funny. Because, yeah, like, you actually likes it. Yeah, antjovies no good. Sardines is what I was thinking of, actually. That's a cloud of a chance of people's. That's no other pizza. Where do you guys come down on the pineapple? Yeah, where do you come down on the pineapple?

Nah, I don't like it. Yeah, yeah, but... I think I'm with you. I don't like it. Whatever, you don't like it, but you're not fucking throwing a temper tantrum over it for no reason. Like, what the hell? Why is that even a conversation? Oh, boo-hoo, there's people that like a pizza topping that I don't.

I don't care how much of it is ironic. I don't care how much of it is ironic. It's like how you feel about the... Ham sweet. ...s like how fish on pizza. It's too salty. Ham is also sweet. Ham is kind of sweet on pizza, too.

pineapple together it's ham and pineapple that's like the that's the combination they do well it's like a fruit stupid on pizza sorry fruits you put on pizza tomato yeah just like oh come on slice tomato is like a not like tomato case you're right it is a fruit it is a fruit but we already agreed that tomato and cheese don't count it's how you can do like roasted tomato you you it doesn't even have to be like tomato sauce you're sun dried tomatoes yeah like sun dried tomatoes yeah like that that kind of pizza I like kind of pest out.

I like chicken on pizza. Like if you put chicken on pizza, that's good. I think it's just strips of chicken. Buffalo chicken pizza as well. Yeah. It's really good. I mean, if you like a really certain kind of food, try it on a pizza.

And, you know, I wouldn't recommend it most of the time. Like buffalo chicken actually works on pizza. How do you guys feel about like calzone's or calzonees? Yeah, because it's like folded. So you serve pizza, just fold in half.

Yeah, exactly. It's not a slice, yeah. It's good. Exactly. Like, anything you want, like, if you want buffalo chicken and a calzone, you can do that. That's good. It's just, like, whatever you put in. I'm pretty easy going.

Hand and pineapple in a calzone, that's not so good. Yeah. I'm not, like, a super picky person. If I order myself a pizza, I'm probably going to do some, like, create your own monstrosity where I just get, like, a shit ton of vegetables, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It'd be really straightforward.

Yeah. Yeah. The pepperoni is usually the way to go. And sausage. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm down to try anything. Some of the best pizzas I've had have been like, um, just like some basic restaurant

ones where it's like, it's like, it's like arugula and maybe some like balsamic syrup or something and like some feta and like mushroom. I think, yeah. Like, flatbreads are good. Yeah. Apparently some people that. pairs on their pizza. Pairs. Interesting. Did you just Google

what fruits go on pizza? No, no. It just came to me. I remember having a conversation with someone and they were like, yeah, my sister likes pears on her pizza. Yeah, it's a thing, apparently. Yeah, I like mushrooms on pizza. You can put like rosemary or like some kind of, I don't know, rosemary. Maybe basil, maybe.

Yeah, made basil. Like some kind of thing like that. Basil's another one of those. We say it differently here. We say basil here. Basil. What's that from? There's a character named Basil in a movie. We got Basil brush over here. It's a pretty big Basil character.

Basil. All right. All right. Yeah, pretty easy going with pizzas. Have you had, like, different kinds of slices, like Sicilian slice? That's, like, square pizza? Yeah. Yeah, you don't really put...

Yeah, this is the part, like, I miss out on... Kind of kind of kind. It's a different, like, American style. of pizza, right? Yeah, it's grandma's slice, which is, it's like Sicilian. It's a little thinner. I like grandma slice. Go to Chicago and have some Lou Mulnotties or Giordano's, and you'll be like,

wow, this is really interesting. You know? That's, I don't like deep dish pizza, really. That's fine. It's good if you, I mean, like, I don't like Uno. I bet if I went to Chicago, the pizza's probably good. Go to Chicago and get Lou Malnottis. In New York, you could go just anywhere for pizza.

It's good. Mm-hmm. Unless deep dish. I don't know about that. Yeah. You might be, like, risking it there. Yeah, I would like to try New York pizza. Yeah, it's good.

And Italy, of course. Italy has good pizza. They have delicious pizza in Italy. Yeah. It's different. Damn. Yeah, it's something. Mm-hmm.

The two best pizza spots. Sarcaste Don says, What backstories behind a film's production altered your perception of a film upon rewatch? Example. I recently rewatched another round while knowing the whole tragedy involving the writer-director to Thomas Winterberg's daughter dying in a car accident. The story was changed in the middle of production

to become more life-affirming. Knowing this and other details about this film's development and production drastically changed my experience the second time around. Weird, I didn't know that. Yeah, I had a similar reaction to this person when I found that out.

It does add a different slant to that movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. fucking obviously the Justice League

disaster you know you can't more you understand about that the more you're like okay it's Warner Brothers's fault I guess

it seems like everyone's pointing the finger at them yeah I think it's Warner Brothers fault yeah and John Sweden I think there's a person to blame

Josh Sweden I guess yeah yeah 100% and Jeff Gion's. Jeff Gioff Gion's. It's one of those. His first name's either Giof or his first name's either John.

Yeah, he's got one of those hard to say names. Jeff? Fucking people. Jeff John, John Jeff. John Jeffries. And then John Sweet's just a fucking jerk. I guess the like backstory of Stalker. Oh yeah.

Kind of changed the perception. That's a big one. Wacky one. Yeah, stalker, right. Those people died making it. Yeah, and they basically made it twice sort of thing. It's just insane. Yeah.

It doesn't make the movie better or worse. I don't want people to get hurt making a film, of course. It's just, you're like, wow, really? It adds something to it, yeah. Yeah, another story. Especially what that film is about, like the environment of it, the lifelessness of the movie. Radioactive nature of the environment.

Yeah, radioactive nature. Yeah, it does add like another layer of fear Right, when you're watching it like Yeah Okay Let's find one more here to end on Weird one here from feeling ad 6-715 Have you guys ever been in a fist fight?

72 updates No No I'm a kid Like in the playground like Oh yeah that, yeah, no, not as like an adult. Yeah, like, so tell a teacher on me, or I'd punch him, like, not from...

Not in a serious one. I've, like, put on boxing gloves and boxed my friends. It's not really a fist fight. Yeah, not really, not, nothing serious, no. Good. Yeah, how about you, Alex? Yeah, none for me, as long as you were discounting, like, when your little kids, like you said. I never thought anyone as an adult.

I think, I think that. To get into a fist fight, you need to be a type of person that, like, thinks that that proves something, you know? Yeah, at this point, yeah. Because it doesn't actually accomplish anything. Either you're looking for a fight or you're not very good at defusing situations or walking away from them. Right. You want to avoid those situations. Yeah.

It's kind of illegal to hit another person. And it's also, it can be very expensive with legal charges and if someone gets hurt. Yeah, and in America, someone can just pull out a gun. Yeah. In America, everybody's sacking. Yeah. Whip out of guns and see. Someone can throw a glass of you and get hurt.

Yeah. There's just a million things that you can happen. You don't know, it's unpredictable. Don't trust your alcohol confidence. Obviously, this, this, like, self-defense situations 100% that you need to do that. That's why you should know self-defense and, like, how to fight. You want to avoid violent people. But you want to avoid that.

Even if you think you can beat them out. I usually try to avoid that. Yeah. like if you get into fist fights like intentionally I don't even know if you can agree to get into fist fight anymore I don't think even that's like allowed I think so will probably call it costing you too

like if you like oh I'm gonna be here we're gonna do a fist fight yeah it's just you can you can if you can die from like falling and hitting your head on the fucking sidewalk yeah people die like that all the time you can die for just no you can die from just

serious man give someone a fucking precaution you head them hard enough so you don't know who you're fighting like Yeah, it's just a bad idea. People like romanticize fights because they see like fight scenes in movies. Right. Like a what a fight actually looks like. Right.

They're like online. That's really intense, man. It's like the most, like grappling. It's like two drunk people just stumbling around like flailing around. Yeah. Like in Mad Men when they fight. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's fucking hilarious though. People don't do that anymore. I guess they do But I just don't know anyone Who would do that at this stage of my life In high school I do people like that Yeah

Yeah yeah You get fist fights people get fist fights like in the hallway Over bullshit Like you know Fight over a girlfriend or whatever Yeah Yeah All right

Don't fight And about does it for questions Make fun of Tarantino This is a love and peace podcast I mean, he wasn't fighting the guy, but he was like flailing his fist at him, trying to knock his phone out of his hand. I'll throw my coffee on you, man. It's not fucking necessary. Yeah, it's not the solution in the majority of situations.

All right, that does it for questions. I guess that there is a recommendation from Alex, and we have to remember, because we swapped things around last time that it's back to me again, and then Ralph. next time. But right now it's Alex. What is the film that you want to

recommend? So, um, this is a film I haven't seen. I think out of us three, the only one who's seen it is Adam. Um, but I think we could get some interesting conversation out of this one.

That being, I think it was 2016's your name. Oh. A movie. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay.

Mickey. All right. I'm excited You don't want to be spoiled for Your name Oh it's already in my watch list 2016 Made a lot of money

It's an anime From Japan Yeah it's anime And watch it Before this The next episode These episodes come out every two weeks The next one should be out in one week though

Because this one came out late So yeah If you don't want to be spoiled Then watch it God, I have to watch this movie again. All right. You son of a bitch. If you want to support the show, $2 a month, sardonicast.com, sign up for premium.

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