SC EP:735 ARK! ARK! Who Goes There
00:11On November 24th, 1971, a man using a fake name, Boards of Boeing 727.Despite the bad weather, this was going to be a quick and simple commercial flight,departing Portland, Oregon, and arriving in Seattle, Washington.One flight is all it took to change commercial aviation forever, and give birth to a legend.I don't know when I'll be back.I hate to go.Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon.This is the captain speaking.
01:10Just about ready to depart.We should be away on schedule in the next couple of minutes or so.Flight time will be 40 minuteswith eventually reach a cruising altitude of 35,000.We'll do our best to give you a slew flightand a turbulence is always a possibility and for that reason.It's a company policy to recommend you keep your last draftsreally fast throughout the flight and it's brought to the cabin crew.
01:33It's switched off.It's switched off of turbulence, then please ensure that you return to your seat immediately.Also please know this is a not smoking.Please make yourself countable.I do hope you enjoy the flight.Dan Cooper described as a middle-aged man carrying a black briefcase.He sat in the back of the plane in seat number 18C, drinking his bourbon and soda.Shortly after takeoff, Cooper handed a note to Florence Schaffner, the flight attendant situated nearest to him in a jump seat.
02:37Schaffner, assuming the note contained a lonely businessman's phone number, dropped it, unopened, into her purse.Cooper leaned towards her and whispered, Miss, you better look at that note, I have a bomb.Cooper then opened its briefcase to show Schaffner the bomb.Schaffner would later describe him as calm, polite, and well-spoken.Cooper demanded $200,000 in negotiable American currency as equivalent to about $1.2 million today.He also wanted four parachutes and a field truck standing by in Seattle to refill the aircraft.He did not want the other passengers to know what was going on.Schaffner conveyed Cooper's instructions to the pilot in the cockpit.
03:31When she returned, Cooper was wearing dark sunglasses.Local and federal authorities were contacted.At 524, Cooper was informed that his demands had been met,and at 539, the aircraft landed at Seattle-Dakoma Airport.The passengers were told a lie, and they exited the plane,not knowing the circumstance they were in.Frustrated, after sitting on the tarmac for almost two hours,At approximately 7.40 p.m., the Boeing 727 took off with only five people on board.
04:16D.B. Cooper, the pilot, flight attendant Tina Mucklow, the co-pilot, and the flight engineer.They were on their own, and they were headed back towards Portland, Oregon.Two fighter jets were scrambled from a Cod Air Force base.They were instructed to shadow the airliner.Flight attendant Tina Mucklobe would be the last person to speak to D.B. Cooper on that flight.Shortly after the plane took off, D.B. Cooper instructed Tina to go to the cockpit and stay there.Heading to the cockpit, as Tina turned around, she said that she observed D.B. Cooper, tying something to his waist.At approximately 8 p.m., a warning light flashed in the cockpit, indicating that the aft air stair apparatus,
05:29had been activated.As she entered the cockpit, Tina told the pilot,I think he's going to jump.The pilot responded,You think he's going to do what?D.B. Cooper lowered the air stair and jumped.Four days prior to his jump,a father and son were hunting in the drop zone.
06:17The pair encountered a creaturewhile walking down a logging road near Yale Lake.The witness reported,My son and I were walking down this logging road.looking for a shortcut to our favorite area to hunt.Approximately 25 yards ahead of us,this thing stood straight up and was partially in the road.It was a very large stature
06:41and stood about a foot and a half taller than me.I'm 6'3.It was covered head to toe in a reddish brown colored hair.It looked like a man and it looked like an ape.This saint growled a really low growllike I've never heard before.My son and I backed down the road away from this creature.I never turned my back on it.
07:06As soon as it was out of sight, we ran for the truck.According to the BFRO, a couple months earlier, about 10 miles east of this location,a family stopped to enjoy the afternoon near a recent clear cut.The family witnessed what appeared to be a large ape-like creature running through the clear cut.The witness said it was large, muscular, and tall.The arms seemed to almost go below the knees.It did not pay any attention to us.It seemed like it was heading somewhere important.
07:42There are many theories on what happened to D.B. Cooper.I was shocked to read on ABC, NBC, and other news outletsthat one of the theories is D.B. Cooper died by the hands of a Sasquatch.Me?I think he made it.Took his money.bought some bourbon.and found a beach.
08:23It looked like somebody was bent overand had their head in the window of the deer blind.It either heard me or smelled me,and he pulled his head out of the tentand stood straight up, and that shocked me.They don't make people that big.The way it moved,almost as if it was gliding across the beach.
08:58I've never seen anything.I have nothing moved like that in my life.What?What?Where would you go on?They were screaming at each other in gibberish.It sounded like a language, and they were chomtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw were bears.
09:21What, what are you reporting?That's son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.Do you see a announcer?Yes, I'm looking right here.Uh-uh.This is Zizi.from Southern California. You are listening to my favorite show, Sasquatch Chronicles.Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. As always, got a great show planned for you.
10:55We're going to be chatting with Scott, Dave, and Jeff. And they come to us from Michigan.And back in 1989, these guys, along with two other people, had witnessed this creature. This creature approached them when they were out in the woods.And it's fascinating to get a different perspective from every witness that was there.So we'll be chatting with those guys tonight.You know, in their encounter, they talk about a weird vocal the creature made,kind of this arc, arc sound.And it's fascinating.I don't know.
11:28You know, and I ask the guys, do you think it was like a bark?Is that what you're describing?And wait until you hear how they kind of describe the vocals of this creature.A terrifying night either way.I know that Scott and Dave actually still.live in that area, along with Jeff.And Scott and Dave have experienced weird things at their home, two brothers with theirkind of taking care of their folks and a lot of weird things going on on that property.
11:57So we'll be getting into that tonight.If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and getadditional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Scott to the show. Scott,thanks for coming on. Yeah, it's cool to be on here. Yeah, it's cool to have you on here, Scott.And I know that you and your brother Dave and Jeff, Dave and Jeff are kind of waiting in thewings and we'll chat with them in a minute. I wanted to ask you, I want to get into what's going
12:37on at your home now with you and your brother Dave. Before we get in,of that. What I'd like to do is talk about this encounter that happened back in 1989 in Michigan.If you would, would you take us back to that moment and kind of walk us into what happened?Okay. At the time, we're, I think, 14, 15 years old. And we were into skateboarding quite a bitback then, you know, BMX bike riding, all that kind of stuff. And those kind of stuff that we did,out in the woods because our home at the time was the atmosphere was basically it was kind of likeliving in a campground except for people had homes instead of tents you know it's like a housesporadically here and there our house was I think our driveway was a thousand feet long but our house
13:34itself was right up against the woods we had about it was like three quarters of a mile fromour backyard to the next busy area, which would have been the expressway.You know, there are bike tracks back there and stuff and motorcycle trails and so like that.We were always busy out there building forts and skateboard ramps and so like that.And at one point, some developers, they had bought up the land, so they were perking, you know,the ground stuff back there.And they dug these holes for like soil samples, you know,see for like basements and water samples and all that kind of stuff.
14:24So you could tell where they were playing on building different homes.We had a skateboard ramp because we wanted to get out of the way of all that stuff.So we had skateboard ramps around those areas,but we had built one further away.that was near the swamp.One day we're out there, you know,just doing our thing, skateboarding.We were going to be staying night out there
14:51because we're night owls and, you know, teenagers.We like doing our thing.So Jeff's brother, Don, who's not here today,but there was a point where him and I,we were the only ones there,I guess the other guys had gone to get snacksand stuff like that.So we were hanging a zip line from a tree to something.
15:16Oh, I can't remember what we had run the zip line to from the tree.But I saw, because there was a sheriff, a sheriff of the next township over,this was at the bottom of his property.His property was probably about, I don't know, half a mile long.And it was all mowed and stuff.But at the end of his property, that's where we had built this skateboard ramp.It was in the woods, but, you know, just off his land.But he had a shooting target, you know, almost like a target range.
15:54And it had silhouettes of three different people.And this thing was all four feet tall because it was a sheet of plywood.But the sheet of plywood was off the ground.probably about, you know, four, four feet itself.So it was about eight feet tall.Don and I are, you know, hanging the zip line.I had noticed what looked like something walking behind this, you know,the shooting range or whatever you want to call it.
16:27And that's kind of strange.Look, I just want to go back and let you know that throughout this whole day,we all kept smelling what this horrible smell.It just smelled like a wet dog and sewage.And it was just a smell that you just can't describe.I never smelled it before and ever since.But at the time, I think all of us,we've just passed it off as, you know,
17:00we're next to a swamp is probably swamp gases.So kind of ignored that, but kept it in the back of your mind, you know.Anyway, yeah, I saw this thing what looked like something walking behind that,like the top of a head almost, bopping up and down from right to the left.And kind of just like, one of those things where it's like, am I seeing something or look and just pass it off?well then a little while later maybe an hour a couple hours later by this time the other guys had come back and stuff but i had seen in the distance what looked like a you know how oak trees or they have the large branches like you can tell they're really sturdy you could definitely climb on them and i have to worry about them breaking well it looked to me like iI don't know what it's called when when people look at clouds and stuff and the clouds make images and all that kind of stuff.But it looked to me like a cluster of leaves or that's what I thought it might have been, like a cluster of leaves that just looked like a person sitting on one of these large branches of an oak tree.
18:20well, this thing looked like it was sitting with one leg straight out on the branch with its back up against the tree itself and one leg hanging off.And that was once again another thing where it's like, am I seeing what I'm seeing or is it like the cloud thing where you make images of the clouds?So I just kind of struck that off too.Well, there's two odd things that happen just during the day.Nighttime comes along and we had a generator out there that ran a, we had a pole with a strip of, I think, three lights on it.I'm pretty sure this is 32 years ago, so it's hard to really remember every, every,thing in detail.So we had a generator that ran
19:20then. I'll tell you thegenerator was not easy forJeff's brother to get out there, even thoughhe had a car. He still had to lookit through the woods.So we had a radio playingand this radio waspretty loud and we had turned up
19:36all the way and we were skatingon a ramp and stuff and at onepoint, I'm justsaying over to the side of the rampwhich would have been the left side,of the ramp, the south side of the ramp, and standing over by the deck.And, I mean, you could see the ramp pretty good.It was pretty well lit up, but all around it, you know, to the sides of the deck and stuff,
20:04it was dark and, you know, shaded.But we also had a candle up on top of the deck that I was standing next to.and in the candlelight you know how it's not really a you can't really see very well like there's ayou can see things but it's definitely more faint than like regular lighting i see somethingthat looks it looks to me like something is walking from right to left in my direction i guess it would bemy directionbehind the deck of the ramp.The deck of the ramp was, I'd say,
20:49six feet tall.So this thing was over six feet tall.I'm thinking like seven and a half,eight feet tall.And anywhere in between there,it could have been taller,but it was definitely at least seven feet tallbecause I could see this thing's head.
21:09and it wasn't in any kind of detail because like I said it was like a faint candlelightand so I'm watching this thing and it comes around the corner of the rampand it's face to face with me I'm standing anywhere from five to six feet away from this thingI couldn't see anything below the shoulders because the ramp had shownshaded that part of it out.All you could see was for the top from the candlelight.And to me, this is exactly what I saw.The face was like a short-haired dog,
21:56that kind of hair on the face.Not much detail, but I could see the glow of the eyes from the light.and it looked like two really small, beady black eyes and no real detail as far as like a nose or mouth or anything.It was just like short hair.But you could tell that there was a protrusion, but it wasn't very, it wasn't very big, not very prominent.The hair, you know, you think of a human's hair line and stuff.it had that type of a hair line, but it showed no real, like, detail, no ears.You couldn't see ears.
22:44And the hair itself was longer.It was like a short-haired dog, like short-haired on the face, and then, like, picture long-haired, a long-haired dog for the hair of its head.and so when I saw that thing I was like what the F and I just turned around and started runningbecause that made no sense in my mind I had never seen anything like that and at that pointin my mind I wasn't thinking about is it a costume is it is this like a bear is this any type ofanimal. I just saw what I'd never seen before. I turned around and started running.And that's, I think, when everybody else reacted, like they were reacting to my reaction.And the thing started making, it was kind of like a yell. It was like a, it was like an arc, arc sound.
23:50It sounded kind of like a, almost like a dog. It sounded like three different things. I remember.we all discussed it later on.It sounded like three different things in one.It was like a dog, but it sounded almost robotic.And maybe what we meant by that was, you know, the,the spacing of it at first.Like it was like echoey.And then it sounded like some other kind of creature that I can't describe like a,
24:23like a growl almost.and my buddy Jeff and the other kid because there were five of us there.Yeah, Rich Sharp, he was there too, and he was younger.But Jeff and Rich, they really freaking out.Jeff starts screaming obscenities, whatever, and swinging his skateboard.He was just in a pure panic.Like, really, I didn't notice what everybody was doing.I just know that those two were in the middle of the ramp, just panicking, freaking out.
25:03So we all ended up running up the hill.And as we ran, this thing, you could tell it started out running after us.And it could have caught us, I'm sure, if it wanted to.So it was more like it was trying to scare us off.but the faster we ran, the further we got away, the faster the arc, arc sound was.It's like a dog barking, like get off, get away from my land kind of a thing.And we ran up this hill as fast as anyone could run.And at one point we stopped.
25:42It was probably halfway up this hill.And you could still hear it stop.really chasing us.You could tell that it had stopped,but it was still making thisarc, arc sound.That's what we described it as.I'm not sure that that's really the sound
26:03that it made.So it kept doing that,and we all kept going,our, who goes there,our who goes there?And hoping that maybeif it was a human or something,playing some kind of some kind of gag on us that it would respond like with some kind of laughter or something.
26:28Well, I really, from what I saw, I've seen many movies.I watch, you know, movie magic stuff and how they make different costumes and all that.It would have taken a professional to make a costume or whatever that looks like that.So I'm 100% positive in my mind that it was something of nature.It was something natural.I don't know what it was, but it freaked me out.Something that I definitely have not been able to get out of my mind in, like I say, 32 years.And then actually, my dad, he went back there.
27:14Actually, a couple of the guys went back there.later on and that candle that was up on the deck had been knocked over and the ramp had caught on fireand the fire didn't keep burning it did go out and the bag of snacks and pop and stuff that we broughtout there that was in the in the middle of our site there just shredded everything in it was shreddedWhen you say shredded, was it like, you're talking about food or was there things in the bag, like personal belongings?Yeah, there was, you know, like snack foods, like cookies and Doritos and so like the, a few bottles of pop or whatever.And everything in the bag was just shredded, just torn apart.Let me ask you real quick.
28:09When you came around the skate ramp and you saw this thing and you're five or six feet away from,from it. I realize you're 15, 16 years old, but how tall do you think it was compared to,I'm sure you can gauge height at that age? Yeah. Well, like I said, the deck of our ramp was aboutsix, six and a half feet tall. And this thing stood over the ramp by a good foot, foot and a halfat least. So, yeah, I'm thinking right around seven and a half, eight feet. Yeah, that's crazy. And you know,you guys would have known if it was a guy in a costume.I mean, I can put a, you know, a 10-year-old out there,and he can tell me if it's a guy in a costume or a real creature.
28:54And the fear that hate you and then you take off running, yeah.Yeah, it was that fear that if I stand here at all, I'm dead, you know, so.I want to ask you real quick about the vocalization.Have you ever heard a gorilla bark?I've heard all kinds of different animals.I've actually listened because the property I live on now,we have so many different animals.And I've listened to different recordings of, you know,
29:24like coyotes and fox and all kinds of different animalsjust because I want to know the sounds that I'm hearingthat I'm not just panicking when I think that it might be something other than those animals,you know.Yeah, the reason why I ask isGorillas actually barkAnd when they make the barking soundIt kind of sounds like a dog
29:49RightBut it's not it's not exactly a dogAnd the arc arc that you guys heardThat's fascinatingLet me ask Jeff real quickIf he's thereOkayYep
30:01HelloHey Jeff, welcome to the showThanks so much for being here ma'amOh, no problemThanks for having me actuallyYeahI really appreciate it.And, I mean, Scott's account is pretty amazing.
30:15I wanted to ask you, from your perspective, tell us what you saw from your perspective or what you experienced.From what I could remember, I just heard something crashing through the woods, just smashing things down.And like, you know, step by step, you could tell us on two feet or, you know, it wasn't like a four-legged animal, not a deer or enough.from like that and deer's don't usually come chasing after people for one thing so and we kept hearingthis arc noise it just kept on arc and just got louder and louder and I grabbed my skateboard and I juststarted swinging it saying arc who goes there and the next thing I know this thing is like right upon usand I just booked west that was that's that was my whole experience of it I took off yeah I want toasked you, when you heard that arc sound, did it sound
31:12like almost human-like making the arc sound?Or did it sound more like...It sounded like an animal of some sort.More like a dog barking, would you say?Yeah, I would say something like...It was like Scott was saying.It was something like...It almost sounded like, like, some kind of like robotic,
31:33like...I've never heard that noise ever again in the woods ever.and I've been in the woods several times since then.It was just, it was kind of like a bark,kind of like a growling bark, but it was like, arc like that.I mean, I can't do it exactly how it sound,but it kept doing it and getting louder and louder.And like I said, I mean, that whole flight or flight thing came in
32:01and I was out of there.I just ran.And we, like Scott said, we were at the top of the hill.and, you know, we kept hearing it out there, you know, saying arc arc or whatever.Well, when we went back to Scott's house, me, Dave, and I want to say my brother was there too,but we went back to the ramp to see, you know, we just went back there and the ramp was on fire,our Dorito, everything was just scattered.It was just like someone just came in there and just like threw everything around.
32:35everything was just scatteredeverything we had therejust all over theall over the rampjust scattered all over theon the grass everythingit was just bizarreyeah it is
32:46so you guys go backand tell your folks obviouslyand that's when you guys head backyeah like me and Daveand I think like I saidDon went and your dadcame out there with usdid he came out there with us
33:00and yeah I meanwhat did youwhat did you think you'reran into that night?I think it was either a dogman or aSasquatch.Like I told you on the phone before,I kind of was just curious
33:14on that BFROwebsite.And I think it was 78 or 79.There was anincident where these boys werewalking on the tracks, which is literallynot even five miles from there.And they saw it down there by some water
33:31by the roller tracks.And they ran. And I mean,someone put that up on the BFRO.So like I said, that's nine five miles from where our incident happened.And where our incident is is there's old 20, there's 23, which is an expressway that goes toAnn Arbor.They can hit 96 to go Detroit.But right where we're at is all Iron Lake recreation area.
33:55I mean, it's just, you know, a huge recreation area.Did you guys ever go back after this whole thing happened?What do you mean?Yeah.I mean, we still went back there and skated.I mean, that morning we went back there,and that's when we found out the ramp was on fireand all our stuff were just scattered all over the place.
34:15Scott didn't go back with us.He stayed at the house.What do you think the intention was?I think, honestly, I think,because that was just, you know, plain woods for years.And what it is now there, it's a huge subdivision.It's a huge subdivision.And when all, when this happened is when, like Scott was saying,
34:38there's holes all over the place back there.They look like big grave sites, but they're testing the soil, you know,see if they can build on the land, you know.And I think it was basically get out of here, you know, like this is my land or this is my area.And since they started building out there, you know, the subdivision that's built there now,the builder was taking this land.and we were there and we had a half-by pound in the middle of the woodsand I think it was fed up and wanted us out of there.
35:13It's an amazing account. I'm shocked. No one got hurt.I want to ask Dave, before I get to Dave real quick about this encounter,Jeff, what do you think that Sasquatch is?I think it's flesh and blood.I think it's some kind of mammal that we've never identified.But I also, I have mixed feelings about it because I also think myself, well, why has therenever been a body found or, you know, things like that?So then when, you know, I listen to your show, I listen to professionals.
35:49And I don't know.I think it might be interdimensional.I think, I don't know.I mean, because why haven't we've, how many years now?I mean, Indians talked about it for years.and we've been, you know, North America, you know, thousands of years hearing, you know, stories about this thing, and we've never seen a final body.And then you look at the tracks, and like Dave and Scott was saying, they had, they got tracks on their property.And then the tracks are just gone, one step, and there's no more tracks in the snow.
36:19So where does that, where does it go?So I think it might be interdimensional.I mean, I don't know if it's like magical or I'm not saying some alien.and I just, I think it might be interdimensional.That's what I think.But I also think it's, like I said,I think, I think it's a, you know, a flesh and blood.But at the same time, I, I just have questions like, why haven't we found?
36:46So I think it might be interdimensional, more, or it can cloak.You know, like, that's why no one's ever seen, you know, like, you know,you see those videos where it looks like the predator.and there's videos of people that, you know, videotape that.It's like, well, what is that?Well, why is there something that looks like, you know,the predator just walking around the woods?So I think that they could maybe cloak, too.
37:11I'm not, I'm not sure.Nobody really knows for sure.Yeah, definitely a lot of unanswered questions, that's for sure.Let me ask Dave real quick if he's there.Yeah.Wes, how you doing, buddy?I'm good.I'm good, Dave.
37:27Thanks so much for coming on, man.Yeah, absolutely.How are you doing?I'm doing well.I'm doing well.What a night you guys had out there, gosh, over 30 years ago.Yeah, 32 years ago.If you would, from your perspective, were you able to smell the smell and will you just kind of walk into what you experience at night?
37:49Well, actually, my experience started by going out with Jeff to get, you know, the snacks and stuff at his mom's house.and Don and Scott stayed at the rampworked on a zip linethat we had been working on all morningand we got backprobably an hour and a half after we leftbecause we rode our bikes back to his houseI was 13 at the time
38:13his brother Don got really ticked at himstarted pushing him because I guesssomething was throwing stuff at him the whole timewe were gone and when we got backhe thought it was usand we had the snacks and stuffSo that was proof that we weren't there.And throughout the day, we kept smelling a foul odor.
38:35It smelled like, you know, swamp gas or a wet dog, something.It smelled, it was gross.It smelled like hot trash.Throughout the whole entire day, we were listening to music, you know,playing around having a good time.Jeff got tired and laid down.I remember it was around the time that Guns and Roses,his Paradise City came out.
38:59We start dancing around acting like fools like kids usually do.And I turned and looked to the north side of the ramp and I see,because I felt that there was something looking at us.And the smell kept disappearing and coming back.Like it wasn't a constant smell.It just kept coming back and leaving.I look at the north side of the ramp and there was a tree,a good size tree.
39:24And the thing was hanging on to a branch staring.at us. It had one leghanging off the tree, kind oflike it was crouched down.And I went to grab Jeff'sbrother andturn around to say, hey dude, look,and the thing was gone, but the tree
39:41branch was bouncing. And it was a good sizetree branch, probably, I don'tknow, maybe, yeah,it was a good size, bigger thantwo human arms, I guess,thick. AndI saw it againbehind the shooting
39:58range poking its head out watching us and you could smell it again and then uh i remember the the songnew sensation came on the radio and as soon as the words of new sensation now and then the thingjust did this arc and it was like the like an ear piercing robotic dog human just screaming thishark and it you know it kind of paused and then it'd do it againJeff jumped out of the tent and started swinging his skateboard sayingark who goes there and Richie was doing the same thing he'syou know a younger guy than us and he justhe was kind of like the follower you know but I've never ever
40:46in my life Wes seen a fat boy run faster than a bunch of skinny guys up a hillbut yeah we kept we kept we kept herehearing arc, arc, arc, and it just kept doing it.We went all the way out to the road, our main road, and walked around because it was loud, man.It was freaky.And, yeah, we went back to my house and we stayed there until about 5.30, 6 o'clock, it was getting daylight.Jeff's brother Don went to the ramp for some reason by himself, and he came running back,screaming the ramps on fire, the ramps on fire.
41:27Well, my dad heard it from the back side of the housebecause his room was on the backside.And he ran out of the house,and he grabbed a couple of buckets of water,and we ran back to the ramp, me, him, Jeff, and Don.And we put it out.Our dog, Smokey, was out there with us,and she was running around sniffing everywhere
41:47that we saw this thing.In the ground, you could see, like, weedsand everything were pushed over,and we found little strands of hair here and there on different trees.It was just really, it was a terrifying experience for a 13-year-old boy, I guess.Yeah, no, it would definitely terrify.It would be terrifying now as a full grown man.How long did it chase you guys for when everyone took off running?
42:15It probably chased us for about, it wasn't very long that it put the chase on us.but if it wanted to catch us, it could have had us.Yeah, I wanted to ask you, Dave, but what did you think it was at the time?I mean, you're 13.Did you think it was someone screwing with you guys?Did you guys think it was just some monster you ran into?Honestly, I didn't know what it was.At first, I thought it might have been like maybe our brother, our oldest brother,
42:43out in the woods messing with us because he knew that we were out there all the time.But then I thought it was another, you know, creepy name.neighbor maybe. I didn't know what was going on. So what we saw definitely was not a human being.It really is a fascinating account. And I want to get to what's going on at your guys' place,you and Scott. I want to ask you real quick, though, Dave. What's your opinion? What do you thinkSasquatch is? Honestly, Wes, I think that Sasquatch is a flesh and blood creature.but I don't know if it's some type of a primate that never has been documented.And I think that it might have human genes.
43:28You never know.It's got like human DNA.And that's the reason why when people, you know,bring in hair samples and stuff,they always say that it's either human or horse or it could be mixed with anything.Yeah, so hard to know what these things are.And there's a lot of kind of like what Jeff,was saying there's a lot of weird unanswered questions that I have like he does I'm sure you do
43:51as well um oh I absolutely do yeah so hard to answer that night would have stuck with me I can see whyafter 30 years it's concrete in your guys's mind what happened that night it'd be a terrifyingnight for anyone really yeah absolutely yeah I've had a lot of occurrences though like back in 99 or96 me and my son's mom were she was taking me to workat five o'clock in the morning.It was a town probably 25 minutes away from where I had to go to work.We get out of her drive, start driving down the road,and we pull out on her road, which was Coon Lake.
44:34And as soon as we take a right, the lights pan and you see this dark figurecrouched down on the side of the road.It was probably, you know, really shimmery black.It was strange.But it had its back to us.And as soon as the lights had it, it stood up, took two strides across the road going south, rolled in the ditch, and was gone like lightning.To this day, my son's mom, she won't say it was Bigfoot, but she knows that she don't know what the heck it was.Yeah.
45:09How close did that happen to the skateboarding thing that you guys set up?that was probably about 20 miles away from that occurrence.So relatively close, really.Yeah, that was much later in life, you know, which was really strange because I had a second occurrence.And now the house that we live in, now it seems like any time we have a bonfire, weird stuff always happens.Like, I don't know if it's an Indian burial ground or what we live on, but it's some creepy.stuff at my house. Everybody that's come out for a bonfire leaves with an experience.Let me go to Scott. Okay. And I want to come back between you and Scott on this one.
45:56Sure. Yeah. What an amazing night you guys had, you know, out there. It would definitely,I was just telling Jeff and Dave, man, that it would stay with me. And I know you guys havestuff going on and around your home right now. I wanted to ask you real quick about its appearance.I had Gail on the member show on Friday, and she's from West Virginia.Very cool lady, very fascinating account, but she brought up something very similar to what you said.I asked her about the mouth, and she said there was a protrusion, and I said, was it more like a baboon, that type of protrusion?And in her case, she said, no.Would you say it was more dog-like, or you know, like apes sometimes will kind of protrude out or monkeys?
46:43No, not dog-like.like it all. It was more like just a lump, like a picture, like a large boil or something under yourskin covered with hair. You know, it was like I couldn't see the detail of a mouth, nor could I seethe detail of a nose, but I could see that it did protrude. It was all covered in hair,and I could not see nostrils or anything like that. So it just to me looked like a,like I said the small dark beady eyeslike short-haired dogwhat do you think the intention was that night
47:25I think because they werelike I saidthey were perking the land to build a subdivisionI think with the activity that webrought to the area I thinkall of that together waswe were basically impeding on the thing's natural territory and it was upset with us trying toget rid of us, trying to scare us away.
47:57Why do you think it didn't catch anyone and hurt anyone that night?I'm sure that's gone through your mind.Yeah, and that's what I'm sure that we all feared.But I think it's probably for the exact reason that it just wanted to get us.us away wanted to scare us away.Scott, what do you thinkthat Sasquatch is? What's kind of youropinion as far as what this
48:22thing actually is?Well, I'm not reallysure just becauseI've heard like NativeAmericans accounts of themand what they think they'rebecause they, they worshiped them.They thought they're like a spiritual
48:38being and they feltlike they were lucky to see the thing.I don't know if it's somethinglike that, like some kind of a spiritual being that is interdimensional, like Jepo's saying,or if it's an uncharted primate, but I do believe that it has some kind of human qualities to it.I don't know if it's human genetics or what, but when I think of it, I think of like the missing link kind of the thing.what I can tell you is it is scary.It's definitely not something.
49:18It's not something that I think any human would want to tangle with.No doubt.I'm very curious about what's going on at your guys' place.I want to, and we'll get Dave on here in a moment.But I wanted to ask you, Scott,how far away do you guys actually live now from this area?That's about 40 minutes away.And there's a lot of weird things going on at your guys's home, and you had even seen the creature one time.
49:47Tell us a little bit about what's going on at this place where you guys are now.Okay.Well, we have bonfires quite often.And it's a, this house is set in the woods.You know, you can't see the house from the road itself.The backware property, I think, is, is it 12 acres?Yeah.that's shared woods.
50:14There are other people that have ownership and that too.A lot of hunting goes on out there.There is a lot of wildlife, a lot of coyotes, and so like that.But at these bonfires that we have,we definitely attract whatever this thing is.We attract its attention because it lets us know that it's there.And one thing that I've noticed is I always,hear like and this happened at the last bonfire we had this last ball is I always hear what sounds
50:48like a wine bottle cork being popped and I don't know if it's something that this thing isdoing with its mouth like a sound that it's making but it I hear it all the time and it can beloud sometimes it can be you know not as loud sometimes actually I just heard that two nights agositting out on my deck.And the most recent thing was that night.So my brother comes home about 7.30 in the morning.And he says there are these gigantic tracks out by the road, out by the mailbox.And that's probably 100 feet away from the house, anywhere from 100, 150 feet away from the house.
51:38And so he tells me about that.And of course, I'm intrigued because of our past experience.And what happened to me about 5.30 in the morning when I was sitting out on the deck.So I'm sitting out there on the deck.And I hear next to our barn, which is very close to the house.But I hear what sounds like,these trees.We have these little trees and stuff next to the barn.
52:12But I hear something over there, like branches rubbing up against the side of the barn.And I could tell whatever this thing is is big.And we have deer and stuff like that all over the place because we have a little apple orchard.And they like to eat the apples off the ground.But those are all covered by snow.So they're not around so much right now.but they still do, you know, come through the yard.Well, I know it's not dear.
52:42My dog was sitting out there with me, and the dog notices the sound, of course.He runs over there, and 180 runs right back.Like, I'm not messing with that thing.And, I mean, he was up on the deck as like three times as fast as he ran off the deck.And I just sat out there.trying to listen to see if I could hear anything else.And actually, about 10 minutes before I heard the trees scraping up against the barn,I could hear what it sounded like a wailing sound.
53:22You could tell that it was large lunged, if that's what it was, just the breathing.It was like a wailing sound.So, yeah, like I said, it was about 10 minutes before.of that. Anyway, my dad, he had gone to take care of this brother who's got dementia. He giveshim his pills and stuff. And I'm not sure what time he left, but when he returned, it was daylight.And I told him what had happened. And he said, oh, hold on, because he was in the middle of doingsomething, like changing a tire or something. He says, when I'm done this, I'll go and check thatout. So he goes over the side of the barn and I can hear him over there going, wow, yep,
54:09there's some big tracks over here. And I ask him how big they are. And he says they're about 18 inches.And which matches the description of the tracks down by the road. He said that these tracks thatstarted down by the road had gone north toward the neighbor's house around the property.and then had returned coming south again to the side of the barn.So this thing, now I know that whatever it was had to have been watching me.And I'm just freaking out still right now because that's where I go to smoke.I was out on the deck.And I don't feel safe being out there anymore.
54:57I mean, I already felt pretty shaky about it.past experiences, but yeah, this has got me pretty shaken up.Especially when it's at your house, you know, it's, if you're out hunting and you come acrosssomething or you have an experience, it's not as big a deal as when it's at your home.You know what I mean?Well, there are other things that have happened there.Like one night, my mom and dad, I'm not sure where they were in the house, but all of a suddensomething just like hit the corner of the house just it wasn't light it wasn't something that a
55:37human would do and it wasn't like someone hit the house with a shovel you could tell that it wasa solid like something whacked the side of the house and my parents were pretty shaken up my dad's nothe's not a gentleman he's a vietnam pet I mean he's a he's a hardcorehardcore male, you know, for that to shake him up, that means something I'm in.Tell me about the time that you saw the figure when you're on the porch.All right.So my dad had built an addition on the side of the house, like a mudroom.It stands on top of the deck itself.
56:21So this thing is probably about, I'd say, five feet away from the barn.you know, it sticks out pretty, pretty far.So there's like a five-foot space between the barn and the addition.And we have a cement, you know, path that goes through there with flowers and stuff like that.But my mom grows there.Well, one night, this is also back in the fall, late fall.It was me and my dog sitting out there.And actually, I didn't know where the dog.
56:59dog was at the time.And I started calling for him.Well, as I'm calling for him, this figure walks out from between the barn and the addition.And all I saw was the profile, you know, I didn't see really any detail.I saw.And the deck, let me tell you, it's like two and a half, three feet off the ground.So I'm standing right next to the door calling for the dog.This thing walks out.
57:33And it's as tall standing on the ground as I am standing on the deck.It came up to my head level.It was like a dark brown.It walked from right to left for about six feet.And that's really when I noticed that I was seeing somethingreal. I just turned and walked in the house. I don't even think I retrieved the dog. It's like, no,not messing with that. Yeah, I don't blame you. Let me ask Dave if he's there. Okay.How you doing West? Good, good. Hey, Dave, let me ask you real quick. Have you ever gone,
58:15have you ever taken a look in that barn and see if there's something kind of residing in it?actually we've heard things inside the barn many times we have a door that goes off the lean to of the barnand my dad likes to leave that open sometimes and you hear things in there every once in a whilewhat type of things are you hearing like a lot of banging like it sounds like it's trying to getthrough the main door on the it'd be the west side of the barn it sounds like it's like trying tojerk it open or trying to, you know, lay down or something.Dude, that land is just messed up.It's scary.
58:59Yeah, it's fascinating.Maybe because I don't have to live there.I wanted to ask you, tell me about around the campfire.You kind of went into it.And I know Scott talked a little bit about it.But what's kind of your experiences out there on that property?We've had many experiences where I had a black girl that had never been to a bonfire.She's never had s'mores, stuff like that.
59:28I invited her out to a bonfire one night from work, and she comes out.She brings the stuff for s'mores, and we're all sitting around the campfire,and I had another buddy from work that's a really good friend,and my brother and my son and his girlfriend and her mom.we're all spanning around just hanging out and Scott's son shows up with his cousin.And his son, I've always told him that there was something strange going on at the house.So he grabs one of the apples from the apple orchard and carves an exit into it and throws it into the woods behind us.Well, probably 20, 25 minutes later, it seemed like we kept getting dirt or something.
01:00:17thrown over us from behind, but everybody was in front of us.And we're all around the fire kind of freaking out with that.And it just seemed like the noises that were out theresounded like there was a cat that was being murdered.And next thing, you know, this apple that my nephew threw into the woodscomes rolling out between the black girl's feet.And we pick it up.and my nephew starts laughing
01:00:47and goes, dude, that was the apple I just threw into the woods.We've had other things happen out therethat it's just not normal.It's seriously not normal.Yeah, give me some examples.What other things are happening out there?Like my dad, when we had first moved into the place,my dad went out to feed the birds because he loves feeding the birds.
01:01:11And he was walking towards the woods behind the house.and he started filling up the bird feeder and something comes flying over his head from the woods and slams into the barn.And he was kind of creeped out by that because when he was young, he never heard a big, you know, he heard a big foot, but he never experienced a big foot in the woods and he used to hunt all the time.and he wasn't sure if he believed it or not,but when, you know, the stuff happened when we were younger,he started believing the stuff that we, you know, experienced.But now it's at this house.And like Scott said, one night he was sitting in his bedroom
01:01:58and something slammed to the side of the house.And he was like, what the heck was that?And ran downstairs and then there was nothing again.and it seems like it always comes around in the fall,like when the leaves start falling and stuff like that,and it seems like it always happens when there's building stuff being done.Like if my dad's adding on to the barn or, you know,just something different,
01:02:26it seems like it's there kind of like surveying the land.And it's kind of like back when we were kids,it seemed like it was surveying the land then.And also the Huron River ran really close to where we lived.And I'm pretty sure that it travels the rivers and it seeks out like whatever is different.You know what I'm saying?Like if something's being constructed or something, it just seems like it's always there.Yeah, it's very strange.
01:02:58You know, I would love to check out that barn during the day, of course, and armed.But I would love to go and check out that barn.you know there's a lot of accounts where people live out in the country like you guys do and theyseem to take up refuge in a barn a lot of farmers I've talked to have witnessed them walking out ofthe barn first thing in the morning or it seems like they kind of escape to to a place like thatgod I would love to look at that place tell me about the the footprints because there's kindof a weird situation before we were recording I don't remember if it was you wereScott that was telling me about these footprints, if you would tell us a little bit about that.
01:03:42So I get out of work at 7 o'clock in the morning, and we just had a massive snowstorm a couple of days ago.And I didn't notice it when I went to work that night.But when I got home in the morning, there were these monster footprints going across the front lawn all the way into the woods towards the neighbor's.house and then I went and took pictures of it because I thought it was kind of strange that,you know, here are these footprints and it was fresh snow.And then we also had more snow on top of that snow that kind of filled in the footprints alittle bit, but you can still see like the right big toe in the footprint and then toe dragand then the left big toe in the next footprint and then toe drag all the way in a
01:04:35straight line towards the neighbors and then I just took the pictures and went in the house andtold my dad about it and then that's when all the stuff happened with my brother.But I've got the pictures if you wanted to look at them.Yeah.Pretty neat.I would love to see them.I would love to see them.I know there was an incident where there was tracks that kind of disappeared and went
01:04:58over a hot tub.Yeah.We tell us about that.Yeah.That was actually a different occurrence that happened.about five years ago, I came home from work and I worked third shift at a fascia plant.And I get out of work and it's kind of just getting daylight, but it's not yet.You know, it's the sun's still down, but it's like twilight.
01:05:24I'm coming down the road and I look up the driveway because something caught my eyeand it looked like there was a figure running through my front yard towards the barn.in my driveway.I drive up my driveway and I look.And sure enough, there's footprints in my front yard.So I get out of the car and I went in and told my dad about it.And he goes outside.And we both went out and walked around the whole entire perimeter of the yard where
01:05:53these footprints were.It ran towards my neighbor's house, around the barn, through the backyard,over the hot tub that Scott was telling you about.around the back of the house,jumped over the propane tank,and the footprints disappeared.Gone. Totally gone.I don't know if it jumped into the trees and disappeared
01:06:15or what it did,but it's pretty strange.The footprints just end.It is strange.You know,I've actually won't really change my opinion on footprints.I always thought they just jumped off somewhere,because I've seen,
01:06:31you know,these things can leap,these things can move.And I thought,God,be an explanation for that. And I remember a farmer one time sent me this trackway. And it looked likea Sasquatch trackway. It was very, you know, foot over foot. And it was a long trackway.And then the trackway just stopped. And there was nowhere from the photo at least that it didn't
01:06:52appear to me there was anywhere it could have jumped off to or I remember being puzzled by that.And I'm still puzzled by what's going on there. Have you guys ever thought about putting up lights or doingsomething to kind of make them go away?See, that's the funny thing isI subscribe to yourpodcast because I'm so interestedin what's going on nowthat I subscribe
01:07:18to your podcast and, dude,I love it. You're awesome.I'm just happy that there's a porthole.No, I mean it. I mean, there's aporthole that people can actuallytell what's going on with their lifeand it just seems likethere's so much similarity with so much of my story with other people's stories that I've
01:07:41been hearing and it's it's crazy I don't understand you know if if we live in like a matrixand this is all like something to mess with our minds or what's going on but dude it's it'sreal it's 100% real yeah yeah without a doubt um and so I I know we were saying aroundfall is when they show up. Have you ever thought about doing game cams or spotlights just to kind of get them to back off?That's funny. I'm sorry. I was totally forget to tell you about that. We had game cams out in the front yard for a while and it was focused on the orchard because so much weird stuff was happening. And I'm pretty sure that they know where these cameras are like some kind of a sound.goes off and it, it makes them stay away from that spot. They'll go around the perimeter of it and thencome in behind it. I don't know if when my dad removed that camera, if this big foot has been,I'm pretty sure it's big foot, but if it's been thinking that it's still there, so it stays away from
01:08:56that area. But I'm telling you, man, it's, it's definitely a, it's definitely, it's definitely,an odd occurrence.Yeah, that's very odd.Makes you wonder if they,maybe it's just leery of that areabecause it knew the camera was there.It's bizarre.I know there was an incident that happened
01:09:15where you guys heard monkeys.I think you and a friend of yourswere out hunting.How long ago did that happen?And do you mind telling us about it?This took place four years ago.It was actually when my buddy from workstarted come out,
01:09:31go hunting in my yard or out in the backwoods.He, uh, I'm sitting on the deck.I just got out of work about 4 o'clock in the morning.And, uh, he came out and he was getting dressed, getting ready to go out there.And we're talking back and forth.And next thing you know, he has something that sounds like chimps right behind him,making all kinds of, you know, loud noises in the weeds or in the trees.and then he kind of paused.
01:10:02He's like, what was that?I said, I don't know.And he's been hunting for a long time,so he knows a lot of, you know,different animal calls and stuff like that,animal noises.But we're sitting there talking,and the next thing, you know,
01:10:17off to his right,my left,you hear it again,but it sounds like there's more of them.Like it's not just one chimp.It's like a bunch of chimp.making this weird noise.Well, I remember one time me and my dad went outside with his night vision because we kept hearing strange noises out there.
01:10:39And you could see eyes that kept popping up over this little wood pile thing that he had like it was trying to hide from us.And we kind of caught a glimpse of just the eyes and it was three different pairs of eyes.so it could have been raccoons.It could have been anything, but, you know, it's just when you live out in an area like that,you just don't know what it is.Yeah, especially hearing the chimp noises.I heard that in Texas, and it put me on high alert because I was like,holy crap, sounds like a bunch of monkeys going off in the background.
01:11:18Yeah, I would be real careful out there, man.I would, if it were me, I'd light the place up because they'll probably go away.I don't mean with the gun.I mean with an actual light.You might even light it up with a gun if you have to.But I would light it up, you know, spotlights and try and get them to back off.Let me know, Scott.Jeff has my contact info.
01:11:41Let me know if anything else happens.Feel free to call me or text me.And the offer is open to all you guys.But I would love to know if they come back and what you guys experience moving forward.I appreciate you coming on, Dave.I really enjoyed talking to Jeff, you, and Scott.It was a lot of funner to listen to an encounterthan to actually live through an encounter,
01:12:05especially when it's at your home, you know?Yeah, well, you know what?Honestly, I can't wait until I actually see it face to face.I don't want it to, like, attack me,but I do want to see it face to face to know what I'm actually encountered.I mean, the unknown is is harder to take than the known, you know what I'm saying?Yeah, no, I completely get that.I always say, I think most encounters when you don't see it, it's a thousand times worse than when you do see it because it's at least you know you're dealing with some freak, you know, some monster.
01:12:38But when you hear it or when stuff's being thrown at you or I think in the back of our heads, we try to rationalize, God, it has to be something else going on here.Right.Absolutely.but I appreciate it again.Thank you so much, Dave.No, I appreciate you, man.You're a great guy.Thank you very much.
01:12:59Bless?Yeah.Hey, thanks for having us, man.Yeah, no, I appreciate you coming on, man.I really appreciate, I was just telling Dave and Scott,I really appreciate your guys' time.The encounter when that happened to you guys when you were young,it would have scared the crap out of me.
01:13:15But those poor...Oh, it did.Yeah.But those poor guys,Dave and Scott, man, what's going on there at that house.You know, I feel bad for when people have it at their home.But, you know, I really appreciate your time, Jeff.Thank you so much for coming on.
01:13:33Oh, well, thank you.It was an honor to talk to, to be honest with you.No, no.The honor is mine.The honor is mine.Thank you again, Jeff.I really enjoyed it.I enjoyed it too as well.
01:13:44Thanks so much, guys.And that's it for tonight.Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.If you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows.Until next time, everyone.All my bags are packed.I'm ready to go to say goodbye to go.
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