Saturn Returns with Caggie - Illusion vs Reality in 2026: Saturn & Neptune in Aries with Noura Bourni

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

Caggie is joined by Saturn Returns’ resident astrologer, Noura Bourni, to explore the major shift of 2026: Saturn and Neptune moving into Aries. They unpack what this new era asks of us - intentional action over reaction, discernment over illusion, and the courage to reclaim our own authority. From the fall of false idols and misinformation, to anger, leadership and creative sovereignty, this conversation offers context for why everything may feel like it’s accelerating. If you’ve felt disillusioned, fired up, or quietly ready for change, this episode helps you understand why. The Saturn Returns app is here… 🪐 For a deeper dive, the Saturn Returns app includes personalised snapshots for 2026 - exploring how Saturn and Neptune in Aries will impact you specifically, based on your rising and moon signs, and how to work with the energy consciously. Click here to download now! Discover more from Saturn Returns: 🪐 Find us on⁠ Instagram⁠,⁠ YouTube⁠ and⁠ TikTok⁠ 🪐 Order the Saturn Returns book:⁠ Click here⁠ 🪐 Join our community newsletter:⁠ Sign up here⁠ 🪐 Explore all things Saturn Returns:⁠ Visit our website⁠ 🪐Follow Caggie on Instagram:⁠ @caggiesworld⁠

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It's just everything that I've worked on over the last five years. in one place and this is only the beginning. So head to the app store, type in Saturn Returns, add your information, get your birth chart overview and your current Saturn phase. Enjoy and thank you so much for listening. Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn Returns with me, Kaggy Dunlop. This is a podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where there can be confusion and doubt. Today we are joined by a familiar voice and that is Nora Borney. who many of you will recognize as the astrologer for Saturn returns over the years. And I wanted to have a conversation with her

because we have a lot of private chats about what's currently happening astrologically. And I figured it would be beneficial for you guys to get a bit of an understanding because I think we can all agree that 2026 has been off to a fairly chaotic start and it's nice to know what is going on in the stars and how we can apply that to our day-to-day life. So enjoy. Nora, welcome back to Saturn's. It's been a minute. It has been a minute. Thank you for having me. Obviously, everyone's very familiar with who you are and the work that you do. And you and I kind of behind the scenes have been discussing a lot of things that are going on astrologically.

And there are a huge shifts happening. So today I wanted us to kind of give the community and the audience, a little insight from your perspective into what's actually happening because I think social media can be a little bit overwhelming with the information. And so let's hear it from the pro. So yeah, I think on social media, what we'll see right now, because it's always nice to hook people into the energy of fear, right? And I think that that's what defeats the whole purpose of astrology is supposed to be empowering. So what I notice is a lot of, our clients that come in and say, Nora, Neptune's got into Aries,

and then Saturn is going to go into Ares. My life is finally back together. Is it now going to get worse? Right. And so I think the transition that we're now experiencing is simply a collective feeling that we're going into a new time. The reason being is that Neptune is going into Ares.

It's already into Ares at the time of recording. And then on the 13th of February, it will be, Saturn will go into Ares. to the sign of Ares. So for the last, since 2003, March of 2020, Saturn has been in the sign

of Pisces. Neptune's been in Pisces since forever. So what people are feeling is we're passing the last cosmic stage, the energy of the last sign in the Zodiac because Pisces is the last stage in the Zodiac signs, this Zodiac sequels,

sequence. We'll see that people will feel like something is different about this this year. Something feels like things are shaking up. we are seeing a new era coming together. It's actually very similar to, with Saturn and Neptune conjointing in the month of February

to the year of 1989, which is another time where Neptune and Saturn were conjunct. And during that time, a positive, you know, oxen of this, a higher oxygen of the energy of Neptune and Saturn is that we saw people's dreams come true when the fall of the burden wall happened. So we saw the end of separation. Neptune dissolves boundaries and Saturn represents boundaries.

So we saw during that time as a dissolving of boundaries when Neptune and Saturn came together. Neptune represents dreams and their hopes and our fantasies and Saturn represents reality. So I think what people are feeling right now collectively is that we have a sense that something like that is coming up again. Yet the subconscious fear is, has everything that I've been dreaming about and hoping for, is that's going to be something that passes a test of time or have I been delusional, which is a very big worry with Neptune generally, right? And then Saturn comes in and makes it more real. So Saturn and Ares and Neptune and Ares actually kick off a time for us where our dreams can come true or we can start to see that, you know what, this will stand a test of time and a test of reality

or will see the opposite. You know, the relationship that we thought was it for us might crumble. It might feel that this is a dream that just couldn't have legs. It's a dream that couldn't make it past the test of time or that couldn't make it past the tests of reality, which is Saturn. So I think that's the one thing that we should look out for during Saturn and this Neptune conjunction in the Sun of Ares, which is basically this big research collectively and personally, where we have to analyze what is real and what isn't,

what is based on illusion or what is based on a healthy foundation. I also think that's... To take action, right? Because Aries is all about taking action, leadership, kind of working with that energy rather than the sort of Piscian, like fluidity, dream world, conceptualizing. For sure. For sure.

But the other thing with that is that because Saturn is wise and Ares is impulsive. And Sassian is the father and Ares is the soldier or is the son or, you know, is this kind of hot-headed archetype Saturn is more measured and Neptune is, basically Neptune is more dreamy and brings on a different realm into this realm.

We have to be careful with the actions that we do take, right? Because we'll feel the desire to do something that we match with... It's like a rash decision. Yes, so every action should be taken, right? But it should be intentional action, not reaction, which is something

that the Ares archetype it's prone to and that you can be tested with while Saturn is in Aries, because you'd be tested with the archetype of Ares, right? So making sure that when we do take action, it is out of intention, we thought it through when we felt it through and we can just feed it in our bones, right?

We can feel that it's necessary before it's even happened, right? It's kind of merging the unseen with the scene. But the negative aspect of this is taking action without thinking, impulsive action, reaction, reaction. What we'll notice as well is that with the archetype of Ares now being so prominent in the celestial movements for the next few years, is that we're going to see a lot of people release righteous anger. But because there's a lot of people that don't know how to express anger, we might see a lot of people kind of picking a fight for nothing, you know, causing an argument for nothing, not really knowing where these emotions are coming from.

So I really do recommend for people to kind of analyze their relationship with anger and thinking about how do they generally channel that emotion. How do they usually channel anger? Is it passive aggressive? Is it inward? Did they just never express it? And then they burst like a volcano? I mean, it's making me think of I'm really bad with anger like I don't express it. But I did recently have an outburst.

But I think that was more to do with being a new mum. Yeah. That's good. I think because like, you know, Aries is an initial archetype. It's where the first breath happens because Aries astrologically also relates to the ascendant. So what does that mean? It relates to the energy of the sunrise. So in our lives, you know, we start out with the energy of Ares. And what is that? Just think about a baby. A baby doesn't really worry about being a Leo or cancer or Libra or whatever. It just wants what it wants when it wants it. You know, not happen. cries, hungry cries. Needs to be changed, cries. Bored, cries. You know, whatever it is, it will cry and it will want what it wants. So baby, this energy of babies are, is generally associated esotericry with the archetype of Ares because it just asks for what it wants when it wants it. But he never has any resentment after because it never gives pause to think about doubting their own needs, right? So I think that we can learn from that archetype by knowing that, okay, well, if I feel an emotion or if I feel an emotion even of anger,

and maybe I've been taught in the last 30 years, right? That's, you know, it's not the right thing to do, or culture is not the right thing to do, or when you're a woman, it's not the right thing to do because you might look like you're crazy or you're emotional, you must be on your period. This is a good time to kind of start analyzing that for ourselves. And you're saying that you felt this because maybe after you've been a mom, again, because Aries is the archetype of birthgiving to start with, is the initial spark of life.

Usually when women give birth, they start to integrate this fiery energy in a healthier way or they become aware of it. So that might be why you've been feeling that. Yeah, and also I learn a lot from Lola and whether it's her personality or like you say just because she's a baby, she just expresses exact.

She's very clear, like a great communicator with what she wants and what she doesn't want. And I look at her, I'm like, I need to be more like that. I need to just. Yes. you know, freely in the moment express my emotions rather than having a feeling like I have to filter them and somewhere in the process bury them. But I'm definitely feeling this sense right now.

It's similar to how I felt around my Saturn return where it's like, okay, it's go time. Like it's now or never with things. That's because you're going through your Saturn Square. You and I both have Saturn and Capricorn. You were born in 89 and I was born in 90. And that Saturn Square happened. between the ages of 35 and 37, but also in Vedic astrology, which is not the Hellenistic astrology that is being used more widely on Instagram,

at that age of that first Saturn square after the Saturn return, we go through a time period called Saturn maturation. But if you really sit with it and you just put the words apart, and you think, okay, Saturn maturation, Saturn by nature is mature, right? It's all this planet.

It's the first planet. it represents reality. So everything is very black and white and you can only be self-responsible and self-soverant by using Saturn. And then we think about maturation as a person. So what are we learning? We're learning that's, okay,

we've got to take ownership of our own ship. We have to realize that life is not coming. Addis is coming from us. We are steering the ship ourselves. Wherever we've ended up, we had some kind of say in it, right? And so this such maturation, and this first Saturn square after your first Saturn return,

times to give you a bit of wisdom to deal with it. It's not as kind of crazily confrontational as previous Saturn Squares when you're younger or your first Saturn return. If you haven't been honoring your Saturn and then everything just feels like it's literally crumbling down and all you try to do is keep swimming and just stay alive, basically. And that's your introduction to reality and adulthood. But during the time of the Saturn Maturation, Session Square,

which is what you're going through now, we often tend to have a calmer stance with it. We just kind of see it rather than feel like, okay, I'm really stuck. We have now gained enough experience with previous Saturn transits. That's for a such return to know, I know exactly what this looks like, and I know how this movie goes if I don't do X, Y, Z. And therefore, I actually, I know it's down to me now.

like I know there's no one exactly yeah and it's such that at this age you know again the wheel is yours you're less prone to be a victim

of circumstances generally like usually during this time it's choices that we have actively participated in you know and usually it's something that can feel very empowering because this is such looking and saying you know

sure I want to be be your daddy or your mommy, but like you want to grow up. So show me what you've learned, right? And then you go, okay. And then you start implementing the lessons and doing things where you start to live out your wisdom rather than just interpreting it or waiting for it to kick in. With Saturn and areas, the wisdom kicks in when you take intentional action and not reactive action. If you take reactive action with Saturn and Ares, you'll feel like, you know, you're taking 10 steps back, because that's exactly what session was an example. Give an example. I'll give you an example. So let's say, you know, every time you know for a fact, right, that your partner has certain needs

and expects certain things, right? And you maybe have made a decision. to not express what your needs were. Maybe up until this time, you were more of a people-pleaser. You would just kind of go with the flow, have a fight here and there, but generally, like, you never assert your boundaries

or never assert yourself, right? And that's what you've done so far. And then I say the Saturn Square comes in, Saturn in Ares comes in collectively, and you realize that, you know what? Enough of this, right? But then the issue comes up, and they're doing the same thing

that they've done so far, There's nothing new about it. But you react in a different way, but you're reacting and you're reacting almost out of proportion. What happens in that kind of circumstance is that you're a not in control over your emotions, you know, which is fine, but it also lacks a bit of wisdom. It lacks, you know, going slowly. Satellics for people to go slow and be measured, right? So we are bursting like a volcano.

What happens with the other person on the other end of that? They're shocked because they go like, wait, hold on. What happened to my sweet partner who does everything? I want generally, right? This came out of nowhere. I don't understand what's going on. And they're right to because so far they only saw one facet of you. So I think that that's an example of acting in a reactive way. Acting in an intentional way is realizing that, you know what, I'm not with things going this way. And I want them to be different. So I'm going to organize a nice dinner at some point or have a nice lunch and I'm going to start expressing this. We're going to start talking about this. I'm going

to explain why I went with the flow. I'm going to start explaining why I cross my own boundaries and I'm going to give them the clear blueprint towards when they're crossing my boundaries or when I feel like they're not respecting me. And then that's a healthy confrontation and it's healthy action taken towards your own sovereignty. But there's these two ways. I have very different outcomes. Have you just given me as an example? I mean, a little bit. I can relate to a lot of that as you know. I mean, when I started asking Nora for an example, I was like, she's going to give me as an example. Actually, I didn't even think of me, but it's like, I think it's something that will come up with Aries, because Libra is the opposite.

So the confrontation of Aries is relationships. Yeah, so as a Libra rising, I, yeah, Ares is like a not a place that I'm comfortable at all, but all my family, like my mom, my dad, my stepdad, they're all areas and they're all like super feisty and just like say it how it is getting these like massive arguments and like it's like nothing happened whereas i'm left traumatized in the corner so i find like it really hard to express my boundaries my needs to just like let the anger out and let it pass i just store it up for years and years and years and then one day poof i'm gone and that's healthy but i'm struggling with that at the moment i'm struggling with kind of accessing that part of myself.

So it's interesting. But you know why you're struggling with it? Because the opposite sign of us from a rising or a moon sign is our shadow because it's the opposite. So if you're yin, that's young. And if that's yin, you're young. So what does that mean? We often have that in family dynamics because we're always working ourselves out through people. Family dynamics, friendships, relationships.

We work ourselves out through others, right? Because they show glimpses of our shadow, things that feel uncomfortable. for us. So maybe for you, asserting yourself is uncomfortable. And then you have all of these examples of how asserting yourself is possible in life. We are like, ah, I don't like it though, because I've learned to act in the world like a Libra Rising. Also, I'm a Torres Sun sign, which is also Venusian, and I can't be bothered, you know? I just don't want to deal with this. Ideally, in an ideal world, I'd be off doing something else, writing music or something, you know? And it's an ideal for no, everyone would just understand my boundaries about me. I'm going to say.

Exactly. Yeah, that's what you want. But what are you learning from them is that, no, you have to assert it. But what they're learning from you is that not everything needs to be asserted at every time. You know, you've got to learn to pick your battles. And so if you have a lot of areas energy around you, you're being confronted with the Saturn in Aries Transit, but you're going through it, then as much as they're teaching you, your shadow is essentially your biggest teacher, right? Your opposite is your biggest teacher. Because once you integrate, your shadow you complete and there's no duality anymore, but also vice versa. You know, for a fact that those that trigger you, you trigger them. And then what you need is that we're both acting like, you know, humans that live on a floating rock and we're just going to say, hey, let's just learn from each other. You know, I see you in that and I can learn from that. I get it. It's triggering to say it. My ego hurts, but I'll say it. But I think if you look at me, there's some things that you probably want to learn from you as well. And I think that you should learn that too. And then, you know, maybe we can meet in the middle. And that's the whole point of everything. How can you

meet in the middle with everything and not constantly create utter chaos that causes a necessary destruction? Yeah, that's so true. And what about on the other end of the spectrum if someone has like a lot of areas in their chart? How is that how is that going to express itself during this time? Again, a lot of Ares, like there, if you've been expressing your, just the Ares archetype, like if you have a lot of fire in your charts, or you have Mars ruling your chart, or you have Ares in your chart, or as a person, you always get what you want, you always put yourself first. And you have had the feedback, again, from people outside of you that tell you, you're very self-involved. And all you can think about is, no, I'm not self-involved. Now this is a time that you're going to have to listen to it, because, Saturn humbles because it teaches lessons. And there's nothing that Saturn likes more than teaching a lesson. Also, interestingly, is that in the roles of astrology, everything works with archetypes. Saturn's got three signs that he likes to be in, right?

Capricorn, Aquarius, and Libra. And Libra, it exalts. What does it mean? Saturn and the energy of Libra get along really well, because it's about balance and about fairness. Saturn also represents the people. The URA represents fairness for all. So Saturn and Libra and Saturn and Venus generally do very well together throughout the myths.

Now, Saturn in Aries loves nothing more than teaching a lesson to the people that represents his opposite archetype or an incompatible archetype. So his incompatible archetype is Aries because if Saturn is high up exalts on his throne in Ibra, than his idea of hell is Ares. Right? Now, that's not a personal judgment. That just means that everything that Sassan embodies is not necessarily compatible with the lower octane energy of Ares, which is being overly impulsive, being selfish,

thinking only about oneself, wanting what we want now, not understanding the test of time, not respecting the cycles, because Sassan rules time and the cycles. So being in the winter and wanting the summer to come now without understanding why the winter needs to exist, why it's important for nature. It might be unpleasant for you that it's snowing and raining, but it's important for nature and it's important for the very harvest. You'll consume when it's the end of the summer or when it's

the autumn time. So for these archetypes, you know, the lesson would be, or the advice would be, it's some humble pie before you get humbled. Really listen to the feedback around you. and take yourself out of the equation. If it's not fair, then it's not fair. And then you can just say, okay, this is just me triggering somebody else. It's got nothing to do with me. It's a projection. But if you have enough of the same feedback over and over again throughout the circle

from different kinds of people, then maybe it's time to really look at that and kind of understand why you're acting in a way that can seem a bit self-involved or where you want to put yourself first. Yeah, and also, because this is a whole new wave of people that are about to go through their Saturn return, isn't it? Yeah. And what year would that mean they were born in? Between 1996 and 1998-ish is that kind of era.

But, you know, people who are born with Saturn in Ares because Saturn represses the energy that it's in until Saturn return usually, their test is actually different. Right? So what we were talking about earlier, where people have like this Aries archetype that comes out in an unhealthy way. But the healthy archetype of Saturn in Aries and those people are going through the Saturn return,

because this has been an energy of them that has been condensed and suppressed and tested, they're going to have to learn now how to step into leadership, how to choose themselves first. Because Saturn, again, has been suppressing this energy for them, through authority, figures, life, whatever it is. So now they're going to have to step into

healthy leadership by embodying all the lessons that have humbled them in life and they become healthier, more positive leaders through that. But so somebody who has Saturn in Ares and their birth chart and then going through a Saturn return now, then their lesson is more so how can you embody healthy leadership? How can you embody healthy self-containment? How can you also not look to others when it comes to maybe sometimes blaming them for things that go wrong for you, you know, that archetype can exist as well for people who have Saturn in Ares. And I was just looking at that, basically. And what about Neptune in Ares?

So again, Neptune in Ares is about a lot of dreams now need to be realized. It was Q's 12thelast and Pisces. And now that it's in Ares, everything is visible. It's as if something, you know, imagine it being like this. The sun was hiding behind the ocean and now it's rising, you know. So everything was there all along. Everyone was submerged into the world of Pisces. During the Neptune in Pisces transit, you know, the conversation about mental health came up a lot more since 2010, 2011.

That was big. And that wasn't really a thing back then before that, right? So in the last, however many years, we've seen a lot of that. People accept astrology and the esoteric more or the spiritual arts more. People are more interested in understanding themselves, right? We also have seen a collective optimist when it came to, you know, if that person can do it, I can do it. But we've also seen an increase of substance abuse. We've also seen an increase of people escaping their lives.

If it doesn't work out in California, maybe it'll work out in Mexico. And if it doesn't work out in Mexico, maybe it'll work out in Bali. And if it doesn't work out in Bali, maybe my workout, you know, in Edinburgh, you know, and that kind of escape. I was like, when you go off, Jabani? I'm curious. But the energy of escapism has been big. Because Neptune dissolves boundaries and it was in Pisces, it's on sign. So people lost the idea of boundaries physically and otherwise. But Neptune air is what that does is now the sun is rising above this ocean.

So everything has been accumulated, subconsciously, collectively, or personally is coming up again now. So we might start seeing that people notice that the way they've been living life, you know, wasn't real. It was a fantasy, you know. People might realize that this person have been admiring. I mean, I'm referring to maybe even like the scandals going around, the spiritual gurus that we've seen for ages, you know, making many of the backs of people and them being in the Epstein files, people being disillusioned by all of that, right? People understanding that maybe it's a mentalized. You've mentioned this to me for a while about how this year is going to bring, it's taking people off the pedestal.

It's like bringing that dissolution with false idols. Is that to do with Neptune and Ares? Yes, because everything, Ares represents the eye. And it's like, we have I been giving my power away to something that I could never even touch that I can't even verify this whole time without verifying it for myself? you know like for example I meet people all the time and they tell me

well I don't believe in astrology and then I go okay and that's the end of the story astrology for example or anything that you believe in it's not there to be asserted onto someone else right but when I react that way people don't get curious they go but okay

why do you why do you believe in it and it's like it's not a belief system it's a language so it's like me saying oh the Aztec language never existed it'd be silly for me to say that because enough research has been done to prove that it did. So this Neptune-Ares energy is about, okay, well, A, what are your belief systems that you held so far?

And now, if you are going to keep holding them, maybe you want to ask better questions, maybe you want to research it, maybe you want to learn it for yourself, so that you can have the sovereignty as well, so that you don't need to outsource things outside, so that when you see lies and misinformation outside of you in any industry, you have done your own research, you understand the rules as far as you understand them. And I think that's going to be important with Neptune and Ares, where we are not going to be able to depend anymore on anything that feels false and truth is going to become more important. But because it's in the sign of Neptune, and the planet Neptune is in Ares, so Neptune is ruling all of

this. The problem with that is that we're going to see a lot more misinformation anyway. What we're going to see is a lot of noise at first until Satin has cleared it a bit. And then later on, when Jupiter goes into Libra, it will be opposite. Neptune and Ares, and that will also bring more truth to the light. But in the meantime, what we have to be really careful of is what do we believe and where do we outsource our eye? And I think we're saying that at the moment, there's a lot of people are, including myself, it's like quite upsetting the information that's coming out. And depending on how you've behaved or how much you've subcontracted your own authority onto external figures is like proportionate

how distressed you might be with things that are coming out. But between like now and what was going on in COVID, it's just felt like one disappointment of the other with figures in power. And now like you mentioned about the Epstein files and everything, it's just like it's heavy. Like, and it's just this thing that just keeps going and going and going. And it's, I think, more important than ever now for people to have that attunement to their own discernment to be able to see what's just like a polished, like fake. You know, it's not, it's not truly embodied. And actually to kind of go back to their own sovereignty and trust.

I completely agree with you. I think this is a time where people just need to get more curious, also expand their attention spans. You know, I think people's attention spans has gone much lower than it used to be people can read, they learned how to read, they know how to consume healthy, important information, yet they have given away their power again to an algorithm that has become their new God. Right? So we've got to be really careful with also our critical thinking. Like AI, for example, you know, even going into this Ares archetype, because Ares is a creational energy. It starts with Ares.

So AI has like the energy of Ares II in a way where it's kind of like this creational God energy, Biblically Abraham or whatever else. And so we have to understand how to use AI. It's important as a tool. I mean, I summarize my stuff all the time because I can write something and it'll be like 10,000 words and then it'd be too wordy. Right. And you can put it in there.

It becomes your editor and it's great. Right. But if you start using these tools where you're now losing your own creational, creative intelligence, which is also what Ares is about in Neptune, then we need to start thinking about that and start using that the sermon towards that as well because otherwise we're going to kill what we're good for, which is our creative intelligence. I know. I know. I actually have noticed recently I've never been good at spelling. I'm very dyslexic, but I literally cannot spell because I've been using, because I've been using AI that it's just meant that my brain

is just slowing down with spelling. And it's actually quite scary because that's just one like micro example, but like you say, it's the critical thinking. We are not mindful of how we're using it and where we're using it. We're going to be in big trouble. What I wanted to ask you, I don't know whether it's my algorithm because it's what I'm thinking about and it's what I'm reading about. It's what I'm focusing on. But I'm definitely noticing this surge towards creativity and this like real need for human

creativity at the moment and for people just expressing themselves in this way that is just only human and it's abstract, but it's communicating emotions and feeling and depth. And is that something that's happening astrologically? Is that why we're seeing? I think so I think as well we're going to see like the analog movement taken over. One last note I don't want to say before we move on to that because that's important to discuss too is that Ares and medical astrology rules the head. So in the head we have the brain right? And where is the brain there there is now illusion? So with Neptune, right? There can be illusion around that.

So what we can see as well as it become, our brains start to develop less and less, the more that we are source, our brainpower and a creative intelligence to things outside of us. But to search towards creativity and also even, you know, the analog movement. People want to buy a dump phone now and things like that, right?

I don't know if you've seen that. And they're trying to go more offline because offline is going to be the new luxury. Air is fast, session is slow, session rules time. So the new luxury is going to be, how much time do you have? to just hang around and doodle or go on and take photographs or like take analog pictures or whatever it is.

So that has been instigated by Jupiter and Cancer, which has been in cancer since the month of May of 2025. And it's going to stay there until the end of May of 2006 or June, 2006. So cancer is nostalgia energy. And the best way for me to always explain the energy of cancer creatively would be Lana Del Rey and her archetype, because she's got quite a bit of that energy in her, that kind of lunar moon energy that is patriotic, that brings in like this Americana energy or wherever it is that you live,

but also this energy that just wants to bring you back into the best times of your childhood, right? And so I think that for us, because now we are millennials and we're the adults, weirdly, like all of a sudden we're adults now. And so we have more buying power and we're leading the trends. And so I think that's why this is happening, to search towards tactile, sensory creativity.

But Neptune Arias is going to keep triggering it. Okay, fantastic. What are people going to be able to get on the app that's like going into more depth that's been personalized for them? Okay, so what we discussed what I think would be really interesting for people is to have a bit of a snapshot, prediction for at least this year of 2006 with how Saturn and Ares and Neptune in Ares conjunctly will affect them according to their ascendant, their rising sign, but also their

moon sign. And why is it important for everybody to check for the ascendant sign and their moon sign? It's because the ascendant is how it's a map of your life and how it's laid out. It's also how you experience it directly. It's kind of like black and white can't really change it, right? The moon is how we emotion, how we feel. how we think, how we see the world, and how we project things into the world. So by looking for both predictions for each sun, sorry, moon sign and rising sign,

and how Saturn in Ares and Neptune in Aries will influence things affect you, but also how to use it to your highest benefit. With the moon, you can see how you'll be affected emotionally versus how is it going to affect you in a tangible way through your ascendant sign. But I think that was a good idea to do it on the app. Yeah, perfect.

Okay, and is there any, I think that's like enough for people to digest today because they don't want to. And there's a lot of information. It's a lot of information. But I guess it's like the final takeaway, like what is the one thing to kind of summarize this next movement or phase that we're kind of being thrown into? I think people are going to have to source their passion and what's animated. their heart and even to that. I think this is a time that's what's being asked of us collectively.

So if justice animates your heart, do it. Creativity does it, do it. Anything that you know animates your heart and makes you want to wake up every morning with a lot of just, with a lot of energy where you just want to giddy up and get on this horse here, then that's what you need to find.

You need to find what your inner fire is and you can find it by understanding what animates your heart. What will bring you back to life? Perfect. I love that. That's beautiful. And then next episode we're going to be talking about the year of the horse that we, are we in it?

Has it started or is it about to start? It started. It's starting on the 17th of February. Okay, so it will probably start when we put that one out. So, because there's a lot of chatter about that online. And yeah, I think it will be a powerful one to kind of get you guys and understand. that actually signifies and how to work with that energy. So thank you, Nora.

Thank you, Kagi. And for everyone that's found this useful, if you want to check out the Saturn Returns app, if you haven't got it yet, we will have some more information that dives deeper that's more personal to you. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Saturn Returns. And if you found it useful, please share it with a friend.

And if you would like to dive deeper on what we were discussing, you can head to the Saturn Returns app. I am so thrilled to have finally launched this and to get all the feedback from you guys. Building an app was something that I wanted to do but kind of in my wildest dreams and it's just incredible that it's managed to happen. And on it, you'll be able to see your birth chart

so you'll get a better understanding of a sort of snapshot and blueprint of how you came into this world and your gifts and also your challenges. And also you'll be able to be able to see what current Saturn phase you are in. So whether you are smack bang in the middle of your Saturn return, you'll get the exact dates as well, which is super useful.

I'm currently in my Saturn Square, so it's just quite nice to kind of get that affirmation of like, yes, I'm going through a crazy time myself right now too. So I hope you enjoy. Please let me know what you think. And just head to the app store and type in Saturn Returns, and you will find us there. As always, remember, you are not alone.

Thank you so much for listening. Goodbye.