Saturn Returns with Caggie - What If the Things Holding You Back Aren’t Actually Who You Are? with Peter Crone

Episode Date: August 30, 2026

In this episode, Caggie is joined by Peter Crone, known as The Mind Architect, to explore the subconscious beliefs and hidden limitations that shape how we think, relate and move through life. Together, they unpack how our past influences the present, what our relationships can reveal about where we’re still not free, and how greater awareness can open the door to more authenticity, possibility and choice. Topics covered in the episode: 🪐 The subconscious beliefs shaping our lives 🪐 Identity, attachment and the stories we tell ourselves 🪐 Why relationships reveal where we’re not yet free 🪐 Karmic connections and patterns 🪐 The body as an extension of the subconscious 🪐 Suffering as a doorway to awareness 🪐 Breaking free from the past and future 🪐 Self-love, authenticity and happiness 🪐 Living with greater presence, freedom and choice This conversation is an invitation to look beneath the surface and question the stories and identities we’ve unknowingly attached ourselves to. — A special thank you to Pandora for supporting this season. Inspired by the milestones, experiences and personal stories that shape us, the latest Pandora Talisman collection celebrates who you are and the journey you’re on. Discover the Talisman that speaks to you in store or online. If this episode resonated, don’t forget to follow, share, and leave a review. Your feedback helps us reach more people seeking clarity, growth, and self-understanding. Discover more from Saturn Returns: 🪐⁠ Instagram⁠,⁠ YouTube⁠ and⁠ TikTok⁠ 🪐 Order the Saturn Returns book:⁠ Click here⁠ 🪐 Join our community newsletter:⁠ Sign up here⁠ 🪐 Explore all things Saturn Returns:⁠ Visit our website⁠ 🪐Follow Caggie on Instagram:⁠ @caggiesworld

Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn Returns with me, Kaggy Dunlop. This is a podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where there can be confusion and doubt. This season of Saturn Returns is sponsored by Pandora, who have launched a new chapter of the Pandora Talisman Collection. Inspired by the milestones, experiences and personal stories that shape us, each piece is designed to celebrate who you are and the journey you are on. To mark the occasion I'll be choosing a talisman at the start of each episode that reflects the guest and theme of our conversation. In today's episode, I am joined by Peter Crone, otherwise known as the mind architect for an expansive conversation

about the subconscious identity and what it really means to live from a place of freedom rather than fear. Peter's work explores the hidden beliefs and limitations that shape the way we think, feel and behave, and together we discuss how the stories and identities we unconsciously attach ourselves to can keep us bound to versions of ourselves that may no longer be true. We explore calmic connections and relationships, the body is an extension of the subconscious,

and our complicated relationship with time, including Peter's idea that you don't have a past, you have memories, and you don't have a future, you have projections. Ultimately, this is a conversation about letting go of who we think we have to be and becoming more present to the life that is actually unfolding. For me, this conversation felt deeply connected to the infinity snake talisman, representing remember to live. The talisman is a call to save a life, breathe deeply and live with intention.

To pause, feel and notice rather than simply move through the motions, the snake also feels particularly fitting, a symbol of shedding what we've outgrown and moving beyond the identities and beliefs that have kept us constrained. So much of Peter's message is about loosening our attachment to the past and our projections of the future and returning towards us here and now. So if you're stepping into a new chapter, celebrating a milestone or navigating a period of change, what would your talisman be? To discover the Pandora talisman that best reflects you, visit Pandora in store or online. I hope you enjoy this conversation.

Peter, welcome to Saturn returns. Thank you so much for having me. How are you doing today? I'm excellent. Thank you. It's been a busy day, a busy week, a busy year, but nonetheless very fulfilling. What is like, okay, for the audience that might not be familiar with your work, would you be able to just give a little bit of an overview over who you are and what you do? Sure.

I mean, I'm most commonly known as the mind architect, a sort of self-generated moniker that speaks to ten and improvements of the scholars. So meaning in late terms, helping people get out of their own way and dissolving constraints in the subconscious so that you live in a world of freedom, love and possibility as opposed to limitation, fear and suffering. And who coined that term? Did that just evolve naturally the mind architect? Yes, necessity was the mother of invention. Now I came up with it myself. I'd been called a spiritual teacher, a happiness guru, and all of these different titles that are a little bit more commonplace, but they never sort of really landed or resonated. And I wanted something that sparked curiosity. And when did that occur? When did the mind architect actually form in your... Oh, I mean, it was a couple of decades ago. It was a long time ago, yeah. Okay, and so taking us further back, where did your career begin?

The career that I'm currently doing now was probably around 2001, so 25 years ago. And before that you were? Before that, immediately before that, I was training a couple of actors traveling around the world, making them look fabulous on screen. And how did it kind of naturally get to where it is today from that? I think it was a progression from doing what was for me relatively easy to transform bodies, recognizing just in the world of density and matter, things take a moment, whereas I realized through conversations, I could change the course of somebody's life by shifting their perspective in like 20, 25 minutes. So I felt, well, let's go to the source of why humans think, feel,

and act the way they do versus trying to change the outcome. So naturally in your sessions with people, it was leading towards that direction anyway. It was in terms of like if you're, I mean, I was sort of exclusive. I was a trainer to a couple of big VIPs, so I didn't have like a roster of clients that I was seeing regularly. But just by virtue of being somebody who cared was a good listener, like friends would call me with their issues around relationships, health, finance. And I started to see these patterns because of my own kind of awakening that I'd gone through. And so it became quite, I don't want to say easy, but it was, it was relatively quick for me to be able to see where somebody was stuck that they couldn't see for themselves.

Let's talk about your own awakening. Okay. When did that happen? That was around the same time as I started, so 2000, 2001. And what happened? A good old heartbreak. Mm-hmm. Are you happy to talk about that?

Oh, yeah. I'm happy to talk about anything. I got nothing to hide. Okay. I, ripe old age of, you know, being a young buck thinking that I knew what love was, fell in love. We dated, well, we were together for about a year and a half. and then she left me to sort of keep the story's somewhat short.

You don't have to keep it short. Okay. We want the long version. Okay. So I met her in Australia whilst I was training these two VIPs. We were down there filming a couple of big movies. And it was sort of that quintessential across the crowded room moments, saw this girl I'd never seen before, all the buss of flies.

And at that moment, being a man who enjoys pursuing things that he wants. I was like, okay, how do I get to meet this person or get to know them? So we started chatting, found out very rapidly. She had a boyfriend there who was a big rock star drummer for a big band. And so that sort of seemed to put the kibosh on that a little bit. And I was like, that's okay. You know, I do what desperate men do, which is they were going on tour. They were leaving for the airport in about six days or something. I said, well, I'm happy to take you to the airport. That was like the best I could do. and they're like, oh, that's so kind, which is really just my attempt to spend time with her.

And then two days later, a mutual friend called and said, hey, this girl, and it's her birthday. So I'm taking out for lunch, would you like to come and join us? I'm like, you don't have to ask me twice. Did she know that you had a crush on her? No, she wasn't setting anything up. I think at that point it was very much like I was in a stage of my life where I kept very, most things to myself. I was a bit more of a recluse. So anyway,

went for lunch, the three of us were there, about an hour in, we're having fun, it's Australia, so the cocktails are flowing. She leaves, the mutual friend, leaves to take a phone call, excuse us herself. So this is literally the first time the two of us have been together

on the planet ever alone. And so the first word is out of my mouth were, was there anything about the other night that stood out to you? Because I'm referencing that moment, because I was like intuitively thinking, okay, if I felt something you should have, whether it was similar chemistry or just awkward embarrassment, I don't know.

And her first words out of her mouth where I just wanted you to pick me up and take me away. So at that moment, our fate was obviously sealed. And then the boyfriend joins us for lunch. Oh God, the boyfriend joining her. I mean, there's not a bit of drama. It's not such a good story. No, because at that point, we were like, we're so young, you know, and we're just flirting and it obviously became self-evident for everybody that was something going on.

And we went to their house. We went to some party in the evening. And we were sort of all over each other, not in a way that was completely disrespectful, but energetically for sure. And so anyway, the phone call that came in the next day was sort of somewhat devastating because she called and said, we won't need a ride to the airport.

That was my first offer. I'm like, shocker, you know. So obviously the cat was out of the bag and anybody with one eye could have seen what was going on. she said and I won't be talking to you anymore. I'm with this guy. I was like, okay. So I fell apart, had my moment of woe and grief and feeling devastated.

But then a few days later, I had the most powerful realization of how much love I have to give. Like it wasn't about her. It was just about the essence of who I was and she was a catalyst and the inspiration for seeing my capacity to love. So then I just went into this new euphoric state of like, oh, like if I really love her, then of course I let her do what she wants. Otherwise, it was about me. That's not love, right?

So there was a big epiphany there was one part of the awakening. And then... This is before you're in relationship. Yeah, not even in a relationship. That was such a powerful realization that most people talk about love, but really love for most people as possession or attachment. It's not actually love. So I got that first glimpse of how, in a very human and adorable way

which we can have compassion, I had become attached to the idea of her as my love was over there. Was this like a wrestling with yourself or did you have? No, it was a big, like, a aha moment. I was having lunch with the chef of the VIPs that I trained and she cooked for. And I can remember walking in. I was a very vital, you know, robust trainer who was like happy go lucky, Mr. positive all the time.

And so I walked in and I looked like death warmed up. And she's like, what's going on? I've never seen any like this. So I was sort of down on my, you know, self for the fact that now this relationship that wasn't a relationship anyway. The aspiration for it, the fantasy of it, was suddenly, you know, the rug pulled from beneath my feet. And so she'd never seen me like this. But in the course of the lunch, I had that realization.

And it was such a profound moment because I literally felt like I could see myself in her eyes across the table. I felt that bright. I know that sounds overly poetic. But that was my experience. So it just happened. What do you mean? You could see yourself. So I went from a state of being, you know, in despair and desperation about the breakup of a relationship I

ever had, but the dream had been shattered, to having the revelation that like, oh, wait, I have so much love to give. And that love in its purest form would allow her to, of course, stay with the guy, go be with someone else, like to honor her choice. Doesn't mean I condone it or agree with it, but love wouldn't have any resistance to it. So it mitigated all my suffering. So I felt like a bright light. I felt so alive and free at that moment. You know, that's why I said it sounds poetic. the light that I felt in myself, I felt I could see in the eyes of the chef across the table. So then a couple of weeks went by and then out of the blue I get a phone call from this girl. And she's like, can you pick me up?

I'm like, sure. Where are you? She's like, I'm a Sydney airport. I'm a Sydney airport. I'm like, okay. And she had left the guy. So that started our relationship. So that was epiphany number one.

Then to cut to the end, great relationship, lots of love, but like anything, growth spurts and things that we had to work through. and then she left or said, I'm out, I'm done, your love is too suffocating. And I was like, wait, that doesn't sound like such a bad problem. I know it doesn't, like the connotation isn't great, but if there's so much of it, that like is usually something people want. But unbeknownst to me and I, you know, had the epiphany a few weeks after that, I realized, oh, the love was actually suffocating in a way that energetically, it was the representation of my deeper fear of loss because my parents had died when I was young.

So this was an unrecognized or unresolved part of me that was a blind spot that was nonetheless informing my wanting to be the perfect boyfriend, which is really my strategy for avoiding loss. So in the relationship, I was not just me who is naturally loving, fun, caring, joyful, but it was me plus, right? It was me avoid her leaving, even though she adored me. So there was nothing to avoid. So all of that revelation was, yeah, that was what led to my seeing of my own my own patterns and then the humanity that drives everybody that really is based in limitation and fear. Because you spoke, I've heard you talk about this before and you said that the energy was manipulative, which you didn't realize at the time, but it was because the fear of losing,

which I think is so deeply relatable to a lot of people, especially when something like this hits you. Was this the first time that you fell like this for someone? Yes, because I was really young. I was like mid to late 20s. So I was, you know, I'd had a few girlfriends, but this was the first time where I really saw a life with somebody or felt what at the time felt like love, the sensation of it, right?

So that's why there was the significance around it that then was sufficient to trigger the underlying unreconsiled trauma of my parents dying that then has a strategy, caused me to become the perfect boyfriend to try and mitigate the loss, which was in me not in the relationship. You know what I mean? So that was the revelation.

You said that the first part of the awakening was actually in the early stages when you recognized that actually it had ignited the love in you regardless of what happened. Yeah. But then how did that change when you were in relationship with each other? It's great question. So to begin with, it was like really unconditional. Like really, I was in the joy and like what we might call the honeymoon period. But for me, there was a deeper recognition about how I was showing up in a relationship that

I had never experienced before, which was truly loving, like she had been through a lot of drug use because of her boyfriend being in a rock band. I know that's such a stereotype, but it was nonetheless true. So I was very caring. I wanted to help to go through detox, and it wasn't about me, you know, but then, of course, the progression and life saw fit to see that I needed to reconcile something. So over time, the love that was truly non-possessive started to become a little bit more attached. and as the fear like you know doubts concerns everyday experiences of being human nonetheless started to inform my own fears and then my behaviours to compensate so we started off strong and but i got exactly what i needed to have the revelation at the end and you spoke about how at that moment when in the sort of demise of the relationship that you were spiraling on what where is she what went wrong yeah and that you had this epiphany.

Would you be able to talk about that? Yeah, you've done your research. I'm flattered. Yeah, so that was sort of the incessant questions that were keeping me up at night. Is like, where is she dating somebody else already? Will I see her again? Or will I find love like that again?

Was sort of the predominant theme of the questions. And so this was probably a couple of months after she had left. We spoke for a week or two logistics, this stuff left in the house, whatever she needed to get. So there'd been a good six or seven weeks with no communication, but I'd nonetheless been going through my own grief and suffering and sleepless nights. And so one day I was sitting at my $100 IKEA desk or something in my little rent control apartment. And for whatever reasons, life's all fit for me to have the epiphany and the answer to all of those questions of where is she?

Will I see her again? Is she dating someone else? And will I find love like that again? And it was very, very simple. It was, I don't know. I don't know where she is. I don't know if I see her again. I don't know if she's dating.

and why it was so profound for me because it was just the truth, it was just what is, and why it also then had this depth of relief for me as I realized that's the truth, I don't know, and I was completely okay not knowing. At the same time, I saw that the preoccupation of the human ego, which is built in fear and survival

and protection, isn't okay with not knowing, so it's always trying to figure things out, which is why I had the questions. So at that moment, I experienced freedom, cascade through my body that I didn't even know what's available. And why it was so cool, because without getting too heavy into the quantum realm, within 50... No, let's go into the quantum realm. Okay, so the quantum realm, even in physics, everyone recognizes the unified field.

Everything is interconnected. So what I saw in a visceral experience was at that moment that I had this epiphany and this awakening Sartori moment, she called me within 15 minutes. From the other side of the planet, I was in L.A., she was in New Zealand. And I haven't spoken to her like, as I said, six, seven weeks. Now she's crying saying she misses me so much, which to me instantaneously, I recognize, oh, because now I'm fully available. I'm here. I'm not in a relationship with my own fears, which is how most people relate to people.

And arguably you let something go. Yes, the constraints and limitations that were really founded in my fear. So I was now why I was available. I was here. Energetically, I was present. And so she could actually, the love that she felt for me, which was genuine, now actually had a place to land. Because I want to, you spoke about quantum connection. Yeah.

And I would love to kind of get a better understanding of what that means. But I think what's so important and what I found particularly touching about that story is when you said, I don't know. Yeah. It's not that I don't know. It was your relationship with the I don't know. It was this harmony that you said you had with uncertainty. Yes. that is in complete contradiction to how we are wired to be

because we're constantly craving certainty in what's going to happen next. Yes. And that, I think, is really the goal of where we want to get to because we are sold this idea that if we prescribe ourselves with a certain ritual or program that we are going to avoid uncertainty and that things are going to be somehow fixed in a state of satisfaction and that's rarely the reality. So it's the actually making peace with that part.

I don't know. Yeah, I sort of quote recently by Voltaire that speaks to it quite nicely. He said, for sure, doubt is uncomfortable, but wanting certainty is absurd, right? So the paradox of the nature of life, which is uncertainty, combined with the human predisposition of wanting to know what's going to happen, you can see the conflict. Yeah. And also the pain that it causes in trying to figure everything out or trying to know what's around the bend. With the work that you've done since,

how much have you managed to personally stay in that harmony with uncertainty in your own personal life? And how much do you see it play out with other people? Because even though the mind architect doesn't necessarily speak to relationships, I feel like a lot of what you do applies to relationship. and that is like the foundation of most of our lives, right? It's all relationship. Everything.

Everything in life is relationship, not in the traditional understanding of the word, but we only have an experience through the laws of relativity. So it is to relate to life. We know ourselves through the principles of relativity. So relationships, it's just the heightened form in romantic and intimate relationships is where we typically go deep enough to tap those sore spots where we can have some sort of epiphany. hopefully. But otherwise everything is like my relationship to food, my relationship to money,

my relationship to environment, my relationship to heat, to cold, everything is how we relate. So to answer your question, how much? I would say I'd give myself a solid A plus in terms of like being completely a peace with uncertainty. And I would assert I just was in medical grade spa in Germany and the practicing cardiologists there because I did every test under the sun. I've never been so propped and pricked and pricked and whatever. He said I have the heart of an 18 year old. And I would say that is in large part, maybe predominantly because of my peace of mind. Now, of course, do I veer periodically or if something's more significant in my life? Could I feel the residual effects of an old ego wanting to see where it goes? Of course. But I think I

practice it for long enough now to not be bound by it. And then in terms of the second part of your question, how often I see that playing out with others all the time? I mean, people are in a trance. There's zombies walking around thinking that where they want to get to is in some idealised future, so they're never really here. That's so true. And in terms of going back to the relationship piece,

one I wanted to ask, after she called you, after you had that epiphany and that moment and that connection was able to, I guess, be channeled again. Yeah. What happened next? She came back for a while. And the relationship came back. You were in relationship.

I would say not so much in a relationship came back. A new relationship was formed because I was a new person, right? If you're truly in relationship to life, then especially in intimate relationship, people say things like, oh, we've been together for five years. I've been with this person for 10 or we've been married for 20. Like, and time is such an interesting thing that people have such. a dysfunctional relationship to. If you really have a powerful relationship, you've never been with the same person more than, like, you know, maybe a few days. But I mean, we're always in transition.

And if you're growing and you're evolving, then hopefully in the course of a 50-year relationship, you know, you've had like hundreds of iterations of each other, right? So it wasn't so much the relationship came back. I could argue we weren't really in a relationship because she had her own dispositions of dysfunction and insecurities and that she was in relation to. and I was in relationship to my fear of loss. So we could argue that was the first time I was at least really available for a relationship. But I was so radically different.

The purpose of the relationship, at least in terms of the karmic role that we played for each other, have been fulfilled. So how did that feel different? I was just so radically free that then I got to see that she wasn't and that relationship wouldn't work in that form.

So the bond was no longer quite the same or the attachment was. It was ironically more powerful, but on the human level, it didn't have the same necessary requirements for our own growth. It's kind of like, it may be a weird metaphor,

and I'm making it up on the spot, but it's like if two kids were playing tennis and they were sort of juniors playing well, but for some reason, if that one player managed to go to the level of sort of being semi-professional, you can't play together anymore. You were at a different frequency.

So the frequency had adjusted to the point that, I mean, I still loved it. We're still in touch. It's really beautiful. I mean, there was a period of probably a decade plus where there was no communication and we went on our separate ways. But then she found me on Instagram. Maybe it was two decades. I don't know.

But where she reached out and is married now in Florida and, you know, we wish each other happy birthdays each year. And, you know, it's sweet. Does she know that she was such a casualist? Oh, yeah. No, she's definitely heard the podcast. our stories and she's very flattered and for her it was equally profound in a different way. Yeah, it was really quite beautiful.

So let's talk about karmic connections and how and why certain people come into our life. Because you have a very famous way of kind of putting this together in terms of where we aren't free. Life will present you with people in circumstances to reveal where you're not free. And I feel like that kind of echoes around my mind quite a lot of the time. anyone who's heard it, yeah, if they've got an ounce of intelligence that usually sits there. Yeah, and it's very true, but would you be able to kind of explain what exactly you mean by that if people haven't heard it before? Of course. So to repeat it for those who've missed it in the back,

life will present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you're not free. So how that landed for me was recognizing, oh, the raison d'etre of being human is really to liberate the souls that we are from the misidentification with the confined human we think we are. So where we get triggered, where we get upset. Can you say that one more time? For sure. Because only thing I'm going to say, like sometimes when I listen to, I feel like you have obviously thought about these things so many times that you move through them super fast. And I feel like sometimes for people listening, they're like, what did he just say? So just like a little bit slower for people that are just digesting this for the first time. Guilty is charged.

I get that quite a lot. Like I know you just said something super profound, but I need to hear it. And then you're on to the neck. And that's equally profound. No, I'm completely lost. Yeah. Okay. So the quote, life will present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you're not free. Why that occurred to me as a very powerful distinction and a framing that helps people to really navigate life is that my assertion and my work is who we are here having this, you know, wacky human experience is to liberate the souls that we are.

versus being misidentified with the humans we're not. So on the human level, the preoccupations are all the normal stresses of like wanting to be liked, wanting to be loved, wanting to have some worth, as a woman wanting to be pretty and sexy as a man, wanting to be strong and successful,

these archetypes. And so where we become sort of bamboozled by the egos need to survive is not the game. That's not what I'm here to help people discover. What I'm hoping is to misidentify, to drop away from the identity that is based in insecurity, inadequacy, scarcity, and go, oh, I'm an eternal, limitless, boundless being having a human experience. And when I live from that part of me versus the neurotic limited human, life is just blissful.

Which is the programming. Yes. So that's where life will. will present you with the circumstances to reveal your condition programming, which is based in limitation. So give me an example of that in real time for someone that you may have come across or someone might be listening. So they have that kind of aha moment themselves. Okay, everyday example right now, people might be on their way to an interview or they just left one. And there's, you know, a dozen potential candidates for the position, which is just one position, and they don't

get the job, right? It's probably millions of people going through that experience right now around the world. In reality, they went to wherever they went based on whatever they saw as an ad for a job, and they didn't get the job. That's it. End of story, no suffering. But if they're conditioning and their programming of the ego that they become misidentified with is based in some feeling of inadequacy that I'm not enough, not getting the job fuels the identity of like, see, I'm not as good as the other candidates, I'm not enough. No, that's not what it means, but your cognitive bias of being human is you're going to find evidence for whatever it is that you have become attached to as a limitation. So that's where they reveal they're not free. If you're aware to notice where you

suffer, so suffering is really the access point to freedom, ironically, even though we try to mitigate and avoid suffering, where you suffer is really the wake up call to where you're still living in some sort of constraint, not free. So that's an everyday. example is or you, you know, found out that your boyfriend is cheating on you. Again, another, it's sad, but it happens obviously ad nauseum out there. And that might be, oh, I'm not pretty enough or I'm not lovable. So that's then the evidence, which is the precursor also, if somebody was living in, I'd say the mind lives around the body, not the other way around. So if you're living inside of the space of I'm not lovable, then the thoughts, feelings, and behavior,

of that person would actually attract somebody who wouldn't love them, which would be the precursor to cheating. So energetically, it makes sense. But we're just confirming our own reality. Which, in essence, is what calmic connections are about. That not only people will appear in our lives, but we'll actually seek them out. Yes, not consciously sometimes,

but typically it's an unconscious process because, you know, life will present you with people so that's a result of you're not free. meaning we will curate the events that are appropriate for us to see where we're not free. So that is the karmic connection. And the process of someone healing that is to go through those situations and to recognize them or to actually recognize them before they have to go through them. The latter is very rare. Like, you know, you've got to have some sort of epiphany plant medicine experience or like some

cathartic download. Typically, you've got to go through the experience, but it's not so much a healing. It's really an awareness to bring a recognition to the pattern itself is phase one. Which is tough. Yeah. I mean, Carl Young has such a beautiful quote. He said, until the unconscious is made conscious, it will drive your life and you'll call it fate. meaning that your programming runs your life in a way that you're not aware of until you are you just see the outcomes and the byproducts of that programming and complain about it or suffer because of it until you realize oh i am the author of my own programming that is driving my thoughts emotions actions and then results we just see the results and complain or get upset not realizing

they are the incommensurate like chain of reactions that had to have happen. So once you can reverse engineering, go, oh, because at the deepest level, I think I'm not enough, I'm not loved, I'm not safe, that drives my emotional body, my belief systems, and then my actions. And that leads to the results that are a perfect reflection for that. So that is hard to go back and see, oh, who must I be for myself the results in these outcomes? That's stage one as awareness. Stage two is what I then call the, to investigate the validity of that identity, which is a fancy way of saying, is it true that you're not enough? Is it true that you're worthless? Is it true that you're not safe? And it's never true. That's a good news.

Then it's like, well, who could I be if in the absence of that limitation or that concern? I'd be so free. I'd be so at peace. So that's sort of the basic steps. So when people have this understanding when you're going, say you're doing it in the master class and people are realising and recognising. Isn't it a mastermind? Mastermind. Mastermind. Yeah.

That's okay. And then they recognize, oh, this is actually an outdated belief system. Yeah. And whilst they may be able to understand it intellectually in the moment with you, how can they then practice that in real life when there are so many other things at play that kind of drive them towards that patterning again. Great question. So the imperative word you use there as practice, right? So again, I use sports analogies because I've just worked with so many professional athletes. One of the reasons being here now with you, being here at Wimbledon, and like I love sports as a metaphor for so many things. So if you went, I don't know what you're into, but let's just say you like tennis.

So you went to have a lesson with an instructor. The instructor is bringing, if he's, he or she is good, brings awareness to that which you can't see. Oh, why you keep putting in the net is because you're not coming from low to high or why the ball flies out is you don't have enough top spin. So you get some awareness about your programming behaviorally and then you have to go and take that

and practice your new swing. So awareness isn't sufficient. Sometimes it can be because if the constraint has had sufficient amount of suffering associated with it, there's a somatic experience that people go through, especially in my mastermind when I'm coaching people, that is so profound that it touches. I mean, I've had moments where there's hundreds of people from all around the world on a Zoom and everyone's crying just by witnessing what someone else is going through because of the resonance of how meaningful it is, you know. So that somatic visceral experience is an important part of the reconciliation of whatever was holding them back before. But then.

And the releasing of it. Yes, and then it is the practice of literally being a new person who no longer occupies that energetic signature of some sort of limitation. And on that note about the body and somatic work, how does that run in tandem with the mind architect, which is obviously a lot more about our programming and our belief systems? Because there's no separation, right? People talk about the mind-body connection. It's just a misnomer. I mean, they're just extensions on different levels of density of the same thing. But in that is our body's response to something also our programming? Or is that our intuition? Both. So the body, to me, is really an extension of your subconscious, meaning who you've been in the way that you think, feel, and act over time is now expressed in your body. So the body is like the densest form of your old identity. So so much.

of what we do is just habitual right you you get up brush your teeth check your phone do what because that's just what you've done for so long until you shift the programming or the perspective the body's a little bit on also pilot so when you shift your perspective the body i mean i see it every single time when i'm coaching somebody in my mastermind i will immediately point out when their respiratory pattern just shifted because that's the first thing to change is the way you breathe because when you come from sympathetic to parasympathetic, out of fight or flight, you can see somebody has a bigger exhale, for example,

and they're like, wow, that felt so good. So the body immediately starts to adjust to the new perspective. Then, of course, you want to keep practicing that new sense of relief and peace of mind and joy and freedom and aliveness as opposed to survival and fear and anxiety. Yeah, because they're informing each other. But what about when the body reacts unexpectedly? So it does something to a situation.

Such as good. Just you have a strong visceral response to an experience, a person. A song you remember, a cologne or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. How, what sort of information is that telling us? So as I said, so that's really the extension of the mind. The body is the extent.

It's just the densest form of it. So wherever the reaction is happening, whether it's just more cerebral and it's like you get upset of someone in traffic because you have a judgment in your mind of how somebody should behave in that scenario. Like, how should they drive according to the almighty you, right? The ego always knows how everybody else should behave. But the body is the more informed way of reacting to life, right? It's got more gravitas. It's been there for longer. So that can be more of an unconscious reaction. You just hear something, smell something, feel something. So it's still the same thing. It just might be a little bit more imprinted. Do you think that it's also able to access the future or it's just going from the past?

The body or? The body? For sure. I think timelines are again for the most part misunderstood, right? There's only ever now. Time in terms of psychological time is all fictitious, right? You don't have a past, you have memories and you don't have a future, you have projections. So it's all occurring now. So the body is always feeling the anticipation of a future based on your superimposition of excitement, something you want, fear, something you don't want. That is going to be registered in every cell of your body. So the question is it accurate?

I'm sorry, that's my baby. That's okay. We love you too. It's to what degree is. is what we're feeling now, a misrepresentation of a fictitious future that is usually skewed towards worst-case scenarios. Right. So it's still, it's just accessing your projections. That's all it is. Yeah. Like I, again, like I just did that big event in London. And I, at the beginning, I ask a series of questions that sort of more of these common fears that everyone

can relate to. So one is who here by a show of hands is scared of the unknown. Most people puts a hand up. And then I say, you're not. You can't be scared of the unknown. You're scared of what your brain is superimposing into the unknown, which is our view of future. So then you start to get some power and like you realize, oh, I'm making up worst case scenarios that then are informing what I'm trying to avoid manipulate to happen or is creating my fear and anxiety in the moment. And control. Yes. So that's, that's then you really, that's the authorship part. where you really tap into responsibility for who you are as a sentient being, generating your own experience of life. But that's an advanced state. Most people are just completely bamboozled

by a history that was filled with trials, tribulations, disappointments, and hurts, and now trying to avoid those or try as a mammal to seek more pleasure and avoid more pain as just an instinctual thing. It's not really consciously created. But you said that a lot of people, you know, the suffering part, I think a lot of people are. walking around suffering simply because of the stories or the narratives or the association they've tied to certain things in their own mind. And there's something very sad about that. I don't know anyone who's not suffering. Are you? No. I mean, do I have glimpses here and there? Sure, but I'm not in a state of suffering. I'm in a state of joy. Like this is why I'm bringing this

new operating system. The default setting, the factory default settings of the human ego is limiting language programming, which creates fear as a predominant emotion. Suffering is the overarching experience. It's the first noble truth, I think, of Buddhism, right? Like to be human is to suffer, which then creates disease, which is sickness and health issues, which then creates scarcity and lack in the material world and then disharmoning in your relationship. That's the cascade. It's unavoidable. That's how you were wired, which is why I feel what I'm bringing, you know, without sort of tooting my own horn, is so profound because I'm taking people out of the old operating system into freedom, not limited.

love, not fear, joy, not suffering, vitality, not disease, abundance, not scarcity, and then affinity and harmony, not disarmony in relationships. It's an entirely different platform. They're not even commensurate. They're not, it's two different worlds. And how do you manage the ego within that? There isn't an ego in that world. It's just freedom.

But there is an ego in us. Well, there's an ego in us in terms of like a story that we have about us. People think they are their name. They think they are their nationality. They think they are their religion or their age or their weight. That's ego in terms of your personality. Like, it's helpful for me, if I'm walking on the street and seemingly happening more and more, I get stopped or someone says, Peter, you know, you changed my life.

Like, of course I'd respond because otherwise I'd just look like a jaggers. They're like, wow, he's so rude. But I know at the deepest level I'm not Peter. I'm not English. I'm not my age or my weight. that's all the machinery. It's all this, which is immaculate and beautiful, but it's not who I am. So there's ego, you've got ego that is really based in protection and survival, which is what drives most people, and that's the suffering. Then you've got ego that is just convenient for

locating myself in time and space. But there's no limitations in that. That's just, yeah, it's Peter Crone, mind architect. I know I'm not Peter Crone. I know I'm not the mind architect. But it locates me in time and space for other people to be able to, relate. So how do people, how can people step out of their own suffering day to day? By as we sort of touched on earlier, recognizing, bringing the unconscious, conscious, and seeing the limitations and seeing if they're true. So freedom is on the other side of the lies that people have about themselves that they're not enough, they're not love, they're not safe, they're worthless, they're bad, all of these, what I call negations usually, which is meaning I'm not

something. So I'm not pretty enough, I'm not young enough, I'm not old enough, I'm not wealthy enough, I'm not skinny enough. Any knots is where we're in conflict with ourselves. So the suffering is where, without sounding it into prophetic, we are everything. We are consciousness. So if we're everything, but we have a conversation that we're not something, we're in conflict with ourselves, which is suffering. Okay.

So when people talk about self-love, self-love is really the antidotes to self-conflict, right? Like, I allow all parts of myself, all imperfections, all perfect, all the things I love about myself all the things I don't love about myself. It's love with a capital L. It's all inclusive. So that's not, I'm not saying, like, I know I speak about it like sort of like lackadaisically, like, oh yeah, it's just like, you know, living on heaven on earth. Yeah. I know that I've just been doing it for a while. So I just also want to appeal to people in a way that they might be jarred, but in a way they're like, wait a minute, this sounds too good to be true. It is, but only relative to what you're used to as being in a confined idea of.

yourself, which is suffering. Suffering's not necessary. It is a part of the human experience, but once you can see there's nothing fundamentally wrong with you and you're just being driven by these deep limiting narratives about yourself, see that they're not truths. Freedom and joy is on the other side of that. What do you think the payoff is for people to remain stuck? Very simple. The ego gets to be right. It's its number one imperative. It's one of my quotes again. I say being right is the poor man's version of self-worth. I knew that was too good to be true. I knew they would cheat on me.

I knew I couldn't keep that job. Great. You're justifying the absence of something you loved and wanted just so you can be right about your own feeling of inadequacy. It's crazy. It is crazy. That's why the biggest industries in the world are all catering to human suffering. Like what are the trillion-dollar businesses accumulative?

alcohol, drugs, sex, religion, you know, to a certain degree food. But these are the things that bring us some relief, apparently. But it's relief from nothing because it's transitory. You're not actually free. And you've spoken a lot about... Am I? My overwhelming you. No, no.

I'm like trying to like stay on a path. Yeah. In terms, you've spoken about the lies that we tell ourselves. Yes. Or that, you know, you've said that you've had coaching sessions with people that are in long-term marriages, but yet you say that they weren't because there was a lie there. So they weren't actually in relationship with each other, which I guess is also true for how we are with ourselves. Yes.

What are the sort of subtle ways you think we lie to ourselves? Soutile and not so subtle. I think just the human predisposition is, again, self-protection, which is at one level adorable. Like, you know, we all want to survive. Like the biggest underlying imperative of any mavel is to make it, right? So the operating system I spoke to earlier, what I call the 1.0 mindset, is all skewed entirely to survive. Now, survival has got many different faces to it, right? Like, keep the job, make sure you get the check every month so I can survive, pay my bills.

Don't upset the misses so that I don't get divorced, you know, don't mess up the kids so that, you know, I'm not a bad parent. But it's all based in fear. So those aren't that subtle when you look at it. That's what creates sickness, dysfunction, self-destruction, addiction, you know. The fear of it. The suffering and fear leads all of those things, right?

Is that we are trying to get away from our own suffering. So those adaptations aren't that subtle. I mean, they become normalized. We see people getting potentially beheaded on the street. street, you know, it's like, oh, well, I'll just squipe to the next, whatever on it. You know, but it's insanity. Like, humans are as a species, I mean, we worry about aliens. I'm like, if aliens came to the planet, like, you might want to pay attention, you know,

because if they're flying around the universe, they're obviously rather... Going past us, you know, like, don't go down there. You can't even have an honest conversation with your neighbor because you're still upset that they trimmed their hedge and it came on your driveway last year. Yeah. It's like, it's so childish, you know? So, yes, it's not that subtle at all. How it manifests is, sadly, you know, through self-destruction of sicknesses and diseases

that people develop. Divorces, you know, as I said, substance abuse. Like, that, to me, is not that subtle. That's devastating. It's tragic what people go through because of how much they suffer. And in terms of kind of going back to the relationship piece, you just mentioned divorces, how do people know, and you said about how, like, we're always changing, we're always evolving. And that requires quite a lot of conversation, honesty with two people to constantly be in that kind of state together.

Yeah. How have you observed that people are just not doing that? And what are the ways that people can do it better? I mean, look, I don't want to in any way dismiss the power of relationship, even if it's a little bit unconscious or not fully relating. There's different depths of affinity and intimacy that people can get to energetically, right? So people are going to meet other people at the level that they're ready to investigate. So relationships, you know, you don't have to have this euphoric white light coming out of your genitals, like state of enlightenment to be in a relationship.

You know, like I learned so much of my stuff from my unconscious states in relationship. Yeah. So first of all, I don't want people to feel disheartened that they're maybe not like having this euphoric everyday, new aliveness in their relationship, you know, especially if you have kids. I get it. There's struggles. It's hard. But I think for people to at least start to look at, am I truly authentic in my relationships? Do I bite my lip? Do I not express my truths? Do I not have boundaries? Do I not really express what's there for me? Because then that to me is something to look at because then you're not really in a relationship. You're in a self-protection pattern. And a sort of performance of a version of

yourself that you think you need to be. Yeah. And I get it. I have all the compassion in the world. That was the story we started with today, right? I was a good, I'm a good guy. I'm very shy. I grew up in England. I'm a nice guy. You know, all the things like I care. I'm very generous. I tend to be over-accommodating. I'm very British that way. So I was a good guy. But in the relationship, I was a good guy trying not to get hurt, which is sweet, you know, but it's self-destructive because I'm really worried about my fear of loss as opposed to this woman loved and adored me. Why couldn't I just be with that?

Well, because I was still stuck, which is okay. And you end up creating the very thing that you were afraid of. Self-fulfilling prophecy, yeah, that's what I said. It's like people think that they are, you know, lazy with their objectives of health, money. You know, if I would say someone, are you in the best shape of a life? life or the shape you want to be. Most people are going to say no. And I could argue, oh, is it because you're not fully committed? And they're like, yeah, I've got, you know, other things. And if they were being honest, right, like, I make up excuses or I'm busy with work. And okay, but you're not really committed.

Yeah, okay. But what I would help them see is actually you're fully committed, but to the unconscious programming that doesn't allow you to take care of yourself. Right. Again, to the being right. But that's powerful, right? Because people talk, oh, self-sabotage. No, it's not self-sabotage, it's self-realization. What do you kind of explain what do you mean by that? So self-sabotage is the story the ego has about something that we typically have, you know, some attachment to love, health, money, a job, you know, that we want it, something we wanted in later. We think we want.

We think we want. But then we lost, messed up, screwed up, whatever. And then, oh, I sabotaged that relationship. No, you realize the outcome that is, perfectly commensurate with the way you're programmed. Which is, I'm not enough. I'm not loved. I'm worthless.

I'm bad. So it's subtle, but hopefully people get what I'm trying to say here. You didn't sabotage anything. You fulfilled on your wiring. Which is an important distinction because I think sabotage indicates that people want to mess up their own life, which of course we don't. No. And that's why I said.

So it becomes like more an empowering conversation versus a victimization, shame conversation. Oh, I'm such an idiot. I fuck this one up too. No, no. You fulfilled on the way you're currently wired, have compassion for that. And if you really want to have

what you wanted that you lost, shift the wiring so that that stays in the frequency that you occupy. Otherwise, you're just being right about the fact that I'm a loser. Well, that's really inspiring, you know. Yeah, because I'd say I'm someone that sabotages in various ways.

and procrastinates on things. And sometimes I get to the point where I'm like, wow, I'm really avoiding doing this thing that I know is going to help me and push the needle a lot. And I will find all these other things to do and just like I completely sort of put it out my mind. And it's really strange to understand why I'm doing it. Yeah.

But I guess that you say it's that the belief is so embedded that I'm actually just confirming that belief. But at least now that you can see that with this distinction, which is very powerful, I'm glad you get it, is that if you were in the narrative that, oh, I procrastinate and why am I not doing what I know would benefit my life, you can slip into guilt and shame, which only reinforces. Which I do sometimes. Welcome to being human, right? This is why we have compassion and I have patience and I get it and I love people and I see the little kid in them who's still being driven by the feeling of like lack or less than or whatever. but we want to be powerful and go, oh, my procrastination isn't inherently bad. Okay, I'm not being productive or efficient. I'm not like creating incredible results that I might say mentally I'm committed to.

But if I can understand why, now I'm empowered without guilt or shame. So you mitigate the suffering, you remove that. And now you have the ability to be present with your own programming and investigate, why am I procrastinate? Oh, maybe I feel like I don't deserve that. Or what happens if I get all that? who's, you know, the fear of success is also another limitation for a lot of people, right? Because it flies in the face of their own feeling of inadequacy.

So then you start to look at wiring as opposed to just reinforce it through your own emotional reactions to not doing what you think you want to do, which is just victimhood on top of victimhood. Well, feeling like a victim of your own life. Yeah, absolutely, and your own choices. Guilt and shame is like two of the biggest weights that people carry around. And again, that is something that we're holding on to. To validate this story about who you are that warrants having guilt and shame,

something wrong with you, you did something wrong, you're a bad person, you messed up, you're a failure, you know, fill in the blank of human narratives. You know, it's definitive list, but it's in the bedfellows of guilt and shame. Really, it was kids, you know, the school system ingrains all of this, right? Like you sit at a desk, you can only do things when you put your hand up. it's enslavement at one level. But really in the home with parents, like, don't do this, don't hit your brother,

that's bad, you get hit, you get scolded. Some real traumas happen to children, right? They're really abused for what they did. I mean, you better believe their programming is wired for, don't do anything wrong because there's consequences. It's PTSD. Yeah. And in terms of moving through that gently,

what do people do? Do you believe in the sort of like fake it till you make it or having a future version of yourself that you see that you kind of become? I don't know if I say I believe in it. Is there some validity to it in terms of getting outcome? Sure, you know, it can help. The older we get, the harder things like that are, because the wiring has been in place longer.

So the older we are, the harder it is to do this work. Yeah. And you've experienced that with everyone you've worked with. I mean, I just had someone in my mastermind that was 82, who's had the biggest epiphany of his life. He had a strange relationship with his son and now they're just like closer than they've ever been. It's the most beautiful thing.

He left a testimonial that he's lost an eye. And he said even though my eyesight's not great, I've never felt so clear in my entire life. Yeah. I think one of the most sort of corrosive narratives and I notice it myself is I've left it too late. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't have time. Yeah. But I also told myself that. at 29, at 28, at 27. And you'll say in the next five years and the next 10, because that's part of the default setting of the brain again. This isn't it is one of the lenses we look through. This isn't it, but wait, I'm really, I'm working hard, I'm getting there.

Yeah, and then that moment never comes. Of course, because there's no there. It's only here. You can't get there. It's just getting there is really the reaction to you thinking that this isn't it. when I lose the two kilos, the 10 kilos, when I finally get the abs of steel, I meet the right one, I start my startup, I sell my company, I get an IPO, I move to the burbs with my beautiful out then, then I'm going to be great. No, you won't. You'll just have all the stuff that

you thought would make you great, but by then you've already created more aspirations that you don't have. Yeah. Yeah, it's always a future proposition. And we are fed that. I mean, the biggest one is heaven. I mean, what a great marketing strategy. Yeah, but on a day-to-day, I think, you know, the way the capitalistic world works is that if you go and you do this job and you achieve this thing and then you get that and then you get that house, but then you want a bigger house and a bigger mortgage and you're stuck in that rat race mentality. And I think it's very hard for people in everyday life to step out of that. It is an intrinsic part of society in how we're educated. I mean, in the Declaration of Independence in America, they even have in the pursuit of happiness at the end, the pursuit of happiness. How about just be happy now?

It's always future-oriented. And we could argue, is that some malicious intent, or is it just a human disposition and dopamine and motivation, the feeling of accomplishment, conquering? You know, I think it's all there. I think it's great. I love the exploration of my potential. I love the pursuit of, you know, things that I want to create.

But they're not being driven by the lack. That's the difference. The lack that you feel right now. No lack, yeah. But like one would. The one would, yes. So most people are being driven by inadequacy and security and scarcity. So they think they have goals, but their goals are typically reactions to what they don't want.

So wanting as a mechanism, desire is a future-based proposition. Slow that all down. Slow that all down again. Wanting. So wanting is a mechanism of the future, right? So wanting is really reflecting what you don't have, otherwise you don't want it. Wanting means there's the absence of something, which then creates the motivation towards something. But in symbolic terms, so like say someone wants a house, and the house will make them happy.

That's what they think. That's what they think. They don't know. It could have mold. It could burn down. They might get divorced in that house. Their dog might die in that house. But what does the house signify?

It's their imagination of what they think it represents, which is ultimately peace and joy. When I have, then I'll be okay. which is really the it's the process of creation but in reverse. So very simple, people have heard B do have maybe in spiritual circles that gets flown around as a, you know, sort of a level one entry way of looking at creation.

So people think that they want to have the house, the better body, the money, the partner, so that they can do what they want to do and be happy. That's the pursuit of happiness, future orientation, chasing the horizon, the place you never, get. You know, you die at 80, they're at the funeral. Ah, I love Dave, but it never seemed happy.

He never quite fulfilled on whatever, fill in the blank. What I talk about is be, do have, is, you know, be happy, be free, be loving. You'll do everything that is a connection and associated with that. And then you'll have everything that is associated with that version of you. So it's a more powerful way to live in the simplistic terms. But wanting, if you look at the energy, so it's not just metaphorical, it's actually physiological, it's a much, If you want something, then that actually is in neurotransmitter terms. You know, the dopamine spikes that we all feel with scrolling, swiping, whatever people are doing on their phones is the promise of a better future, which can be aspirational.

Like, I'm prolifically creative. I'm working on all sorts of projects, but I'm excited about it. I would, the distinction I love, which, because you're smart and you'll probably get it, is the difference between seeking versus exploring. When you're coming from Lack. insecurity or inadequacy, most people are seeking for, they think the house, but really they're seeking from relief. They think they want the relationship, but what they're seeking for is love and acceptance. They think they want the money, but they're really seeking for safety. So they don't

have that. I'm exploring the potentiality of what it is to be me, my own subjective potential, but the potential of life, the impact I can have, the countries I've never been to, the inspiration of a sunset in a country I've never, you know, visited, a restaurant I've never, you know, visited, a restaurant, written at, the person that I might meet, like I did at a speech I did last week, you know, because I'm out there exploring, let's life surprise you as what I tell people versus let's, most people are trying to manipulate life to get it the way they think they need it in order to feel okay. That's the ultimate lie. The whole reason most people are manipulating life is because they believe they're not okay unless things are the way that they want them to be.

That's exhausting. Which causes more suffering. It's exhausting. And also I guess it's about being in relationship with the process not the end goal? Yeah, the process of being alive, I would say, not even the process of like some sort of agenda, but really the process of being here, being with you, having this conversation, not attending to anything that like, oh shit this or oh shit that. And if you, like, I'm here. Do I know what my day looks like? Yes, in terms of some chronological time of my schedule and timing and meetings and dinners. But I don't know what I'm going to talk about there. I'll be there when I'm there. So the process for me is to be fully present wherever you are. But that's not easy. That's not easy. But that's joy. That's freedom.

And for anyone that's listening, that's feeling, oh, wow, that is me. I am in this state of suffering because I'm trying to control things in my life that the more I do, the more out of control they feel. And also, like you touched on at the beginning, the story of you and this woman, that the more you tried to control it, the more she felt that energy and moved away, which is always the dance energetically that happens. Would you have been able to reconcile that if she hadn't left, do you think? I mean, it's a hypothetical question. I'm not such a fan of those because I like to have a relationship with reality. You know, well, what if this? And like, how about we just learn from what it is, right?

But it's a good question. So no, because my other quote that you probably heard is what happened, happened, and couldn't have happened any other way because it didn't. I know I don't like that one. Because I'm a big, like, go back into the past and, like, create stories or think about things that could. And so I find it hard to be at complete peace with the unfolding of things, especially when you're sort of mid-story and stuff, you know.

Yeah. No, I get it and I have compassion. Most people are very attached to their past because it helps to keep their ego alive or their identity and their shortcomings alive. Without the evidence, like I was talking to a friend the other day, an athlete, I said, if you have no history, where's your problem? You don't even know what to worry about because you don't remember anything. So history only serves its purpose typically from the perspective of the ego to justify whatever it is you feel and believe about. yourself that is based in some limiting language. I've got evidence for why they're not going to pick me. I've got evidence as to why I'll probably get sick. I've got evidence as to why I'm not going to make a lot of money. Which is really just putting your history on repeat. This is giving me a lot of food for thought myself. So in terms of like making, like I kind of want to go back to that uncertainty piece. Sure. How do we gets that point of feeling that piece with it of like really inviting it in well there's different ways I mean you know the the short track is just using intelligence and go wait a minute nature of life

uncertainty nature of human trying to find security hence trying to always figure out certainty it doesn't work you know so that might bring some reprieve for a moment minute if people really understand the insanity of trying to figure out what's going to happen in a construct and a dimension that by design is you don't know what's going to happen, that might help some people with a much higher IQ to just get it and go, oh my God, this is ridiculous. Why am I trying to? I'll never figure out what's going to happen because the design of this paradigm is we don't know. But that energy has to be rechanneled somewhere else. Well, it gets rechanneled into the piece that you said how to

people find that. It's the piece of like self-expression of living fully, telling the people you love, that you love them without concern or, you know, worry for what that might mean, going for everything, giving you're all, like you won't be holding back. Like I said this morning with someone, people are just waiting for a good enough excuse to give fully of themselves. So the antidote is to just go all in with everything. As an answer, as a solution, but again, I solve problems. I don't solve problems. I disresolved. I disres. of them. So giving yourself fully is the effortless byproduct of removing whatever constraints were in the way through your conditioning. That's the work. Again, I say, heaven's a place

on earth. You just have to go through hell together. So going through hell is you have to undo all of the constraints that you've accumulated over time, the calmic, you know, limitations you arrived with. And then you have the evidence of, well, my dad beat me up and my mom and dad got divorced or da-da-da-da-da, like it's the justification for your limitations. But the opportunity to really live fully is to see that none of that is who you are. They're the stories that keep your ego alive. So there's no real, I mean, I've been doing this for like almost three decades. It's so second nature for me, but for somebody sitting there listening going, yeah, but holy shit, like I just got laid off and I need to pay rent this month, that's a real life

circumstance. But underneath it is they don't feel safe. They don't trust life. They don't have any sort of sense of feeling resourceful. They're focused on resources. Right. There's so many that could be just in that one very benign example that's creating suffering that needs to be cleared out so that they can sit and recognize the value of who they are. They're the only them on the planet. That in itself is worth whatever they choose to make it worth. One in eight billion is pretty special. Can they live from that essence so that the next morning when they go to the coffee shop that they've been to for five years in a row, surprise, surprise, they stand next to someone in the queue who is looking for a position that they can fulfill, that they could never have predicted, but only because

they're a frequency shifted because they're like, I'm amazing. Like, not in an arrogant, I know that's very anti-British, but like, I'm a powerful being who's extraordinary, who has boundless potential. And if I live from that versus my history that's littered with failure, as evidence as to why my life's not going to work out, that's two completely different human beings. The sort of leap in the natural appear mentality. Correct. Yeah. The Bridge of Faith or whatever that was in the Indiana Jones movie.

I never saw it, but someone told me it was beautiful. He runs to the edge of a cliff and then there's this big crevasse and it's all dramatic and he's being chased by the bad guys and he takes a step in a bridge of peers. And so it's like, you know, taking action before you got evidence for it. Whereas most people do the opposite, their mind and their projections into the unknown are of worst case scenarios that justify them not taking action. That's crazy. Then you wonder why people are so medicated, whether it's self or prescribed. And that I have compassion for, but I just really hope people wake up and see you are the only one creating your own fears and limitations.

Not in a way that it's onerous like you should feel bad, but just as a way of being author of your own experience. That's power. And I guess to begin with, it's the simple recognition of those narratives of catching your thoughts before they sort of spiral, so to speak. Yeah. When I do my three-month masterminds, two main buckets we focus on is awareness of your subconscious, unconscious patterns and then practice being the human or the being who lives in the absence of those limitations. That's a totally different world. Yeah, I was going to say, so for people that might be interested to kind of be. dive further into this work with you. Where can they find those resources?

It's all just under my name. So whatever social media you like, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, it's all Pizza Kroen, although we've got a lot of fake accounts these days, which I guess is imitation being a reflection of some sort of flattery. And then my website is pisacrone.com, too. If people want to do the mastermind or join my membership, that's there. And is the mastermind open to anybody? Anybody? I mean, just we only do two a year. So depending on when this comes out, we're launching one in August 1st. So right now we're literally, people are signing up right now. And do you have limited spaces? No, because it's all digital. So it's all around the world. So yeah, it's really

the most powerful offering. The interviews that you do with people, is that just individual people that have said, I'm happy to go, like, as in when you're talking when I'm coaching somebody. Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes it's coaching that I do in a live event. It depends. I've got my own podcast now. finding freedom, where people submit videos that I will coach people. So it's a unique format that's really taken off because I'm not sitting with an expert. Yeah, yeah. So people love that. They're a flower on the wall of my coaching. But no, the mastermind is the most profound because it's eight modules over three months. We meet every two weeks. Theory in the morning, a little lunch break, coaching in the afternoon. And coaching is just people put their virtual hands up on Zoom and I don't

know who anyone is. And I just, Sally, let's see what she's got going on. And, you know, then it leads to a story that touches everybody because we can all relate to the same constraints. So everybody gets coached by virtue of whoever I coach. So yeah, so that's my most passionate and powerful offering, three months, three and a half months. And then in between we do an integration call with some coaches that work underneath me and an embodiment call so we can take it into practice. How does that feel to live that way? So it's very comprehensive. It starts August 1st.

So depending on when this comes out, hopefully people can join. It will be a little bit after that. Yeah, because it's the most life. Okay, well, yeah, that's fine. Maybe we'll make space. Okay. Well, Peter, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for having me.

A joy to be with you. And sharing all of your wisdom. You've been a dream guest of mine for a while now, so I was really happy that we could make this happen. Well, that means a lot to me. Thank you for saying that. I absolutely loved this conversation with Peter. He has been my number one guest to have on the show.

for a while so I was just overjoyed when his team reached out and so much of what he describes is about the suffering that comes from identifying with old versions of ourselves the beliefs and fears and patterns that once protected us can ultimately become the very things that keep us stuck which is so sat in return themed a period that often asks us to confront the identities and structures we've outgrown and so I felt like this conversation was particularly prevalent for anyone that's going through that sticky transitional period, whether it's because you've created a life that feels out of alignment, you're performing, you're behaving in a way where you don't feel free, where you feel trapped when you're in a prison of your own thoughts.

Everything he says really speaks to the person that's going through that. I think it's just one of those conversations you need to listen to again and again and again because he has just got sound bite after soundbite and it's a lot to digest. but listening back to this episode when we were editing it I was just like that's just so much wisdom there's so many takeaways for me personally and so I hope that you guys enjoyed it as well and that it was some food for thought and if the one thing you take away from this is that we bring it about situations experiences people in our lives that ultimately show us where we are not free and this simple reframe of oh this struggle

this pain rather than becoming, like he said, a victim of it, is actually just showing me something. It's showing me where I need to become free, where I need to loosen this old, outdated identity belief and let it go and live in this blissful harmony of alignment, which is ultimately what we're all striving towards. So thank you so much, Peter, for this fascinating conversation and for joining me in today's episode of Saturn returns. And as always to you guys listening, I know we've had a hiatus. I did not expect to be gone for this long, but it's been a wild year of embarking on motherhood and many, many other things that I will share with you in due course. But I'm so happy to be back. And thank you so much for listening. As always, remember, you are not alone. Goodbye.