Saturn Returns with Caggie - What is the gift?

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Caggie checks in this week, covering current energies, the sneakiness of the spiritual ego, a recent psychic reading she had, and the subtle reframe to help you see the opportunities in whatever difficulty you are facing.  The Saturn Returns app is here! 🪐 Download it now to find your exact Saturn dates and cosmic insights: Click here Discover more from Saturn Returns: 🪐 Find us on Instagram, YouTube and TikTok 🪐 Order the Saturn Returns book: Click here 🪐 Join our community newsletter: Sign up here 🪐 Explore all things Saturn Returns: Visit our website🪐Follow Caggie on Instagram: @caggiesworld

Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn Returns with me, Kagi Dunlop. This is a podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where there can be confusion and doubt. Today I'm sort of forcing myself to record this and not going to lie. I actually don't even know if this is recording. I tried to start up my podcast equipment. You guys would be amazed at how basic it is. It hasn't really evolved much when I'm doing it myself since the very beginning. I am not a technical person. And I turned it on. Batteries die.

I don't have any other batteries. So I'm doing this through my computer. So I apologize if the quality is terrible. But I didn't want to leave you guys hanging after I did one random episode after being away for quite a long time. I really didn't anticipate that I would take such a hiatus. I thought that I would actually somehow manage to just carry on naively

when I had a baby. But the truth is, is the weeks just fly by. And this one, this week has been a peculiar week. I feel like everyone I know right now is going through really deep transformation and change in a way that's very unsettling. And I also think that we need to recognize

that collectively in the world, there is so much stuff going on that is so anxiety-inducing and disturbing, really. And I think last year it felt like, or the last few years, is it felt like there was this movement towards like we, we have the power of our destinies and we can like manifest the life we want. And I feel like there's a shift happening where people are kind of being forced into more of a state of surrender on a personal front. It's like surrender and trust.

And personally for me, it's like not trying to control the outcome so much, which I find incredibly hard to do. And I had a reading this week with, I guess, She was like a tarot, medium, psychic person. And firstly, the two of us trying to get on this call, it was like ridiculous. I mean, it took us like 20 minutes to even connect because we were just being both being so useless with technology. And I had this session with her that it was strange because she sort of, she channels stuff and it's through tarot

and some of the things that she said to me. Nothing was hugely surprising. It kind of felt like stuff I already knew, but she said, she said such a big thing for you. She was like, your mind is like, bounces, like stopping you from entering. She was like, and there's loads of them. And you get so caught up with what things are going to look like in the end

that you stop yourself from expressing or creating or starting. And I'm realizing that how much that has been, theme through my life. I guess it's a sort of self-preservation thing. It's a way of trying to minimize the potential pain of something. But I'm starting to recognize that actually it causes me more pain. It's the sort of resistance and the need to control. So resistance to change and the need to control the outcome to know what's happening next. And it's become quite an exhausting place to be, honestly, in my mind. And I'm not, I'm considering the space that I'm in, I'm not the best meditator. I'm guilty of having a coffee fasting in the morning, which is sort of

like putting fuel on a fire. And I find it hard just to be in that state of surrender. But what I am recognizing, like more of a general collective movement towards now, is this acknowledgement that we are not so powerful that we actually are at the mercy of things that are outside of our control. And a lot of people, I think, are turning back towards God, towards the creator, towards a sense of our path is our path and we aren't supposed to know everything that's going to happen. We don't know why certain things happen that cause us pain. And it's often only retrospectively when we look back and realize, how necessary those detours and dead ends and painful lessons were, rather than trying to

manipulate our own life and our own destiny. And I had a conversation with one of my bestest girlfriends recently, and she was talking about how, you know, the fatigue of this, the manifesting movement and this kind of, you know, your self-worth determines your life. like whilst I understand the principles of that, it also can leave people feeling a sense that if something bad happens to them, they're not working hard enough. They don't have enough self-worth yet. And I think it's a kind of dangerous mentality to carry because it puts a huge amount of responsibility on the individual. And the truth is a lot of stuff that happens to us is totally out of our control, and life is unpredictable, and life is often unfair. And if we carry

this way of responsibility that we are the masters of our fate entirely, everything that goes wrong also feels our responsibility. Now, this kind of is different to some of the stuff I've said in the past, because in my book, for those that read it, I talk a lot about the importance of responsibility and autonomy. And I'm not saying that we are completely bystanders to our own life. But I do believe that certain things happen and at the time it seems seemingly to us, but they're actually for us. And so I guess right now who I'm speaking to is the person that's in the middle of the story. They're in the chapter where it all feels very confusing and very upsetting. And destabilising and they don't have a clear direction of where to go or what to do and in fact

it might feel quite hopeless and what I want you to ask yourself or to kind of sit with it's like what is the gift what is the gift this is giving me and it might not be an immediate answer it doesn't need to be but when we reframe whatever's happening not only do we allow ourselves to understand that there is a higher power at work and that I don't believe things are just random. I don't believe that things are all just coincidences. I think that there is a story of your life that you don't even know yourself. And often the most beautiful things come out of very painful ones. And there are also things that we would never have expected or anticipated for ourselves. And so asking yourself what the gift is. And so asking yourself what the gift is,

is in the situation. It's just a very soft and subtle reframe to allow you to know that things are happening for you, not to you. And I think it brings us a little bit closer to whatever the gift will be because I believe that always is one. And the reason that I was mentioning this session that I had this week is because she was asking my guides what the gift was. Because last week I told you guys that I'd had this massive year of change and, you know, Lola's come out of it, which has been the greatest gift I could ever imagine and something that I probably wasn't even knowing that I wanted. And it wasn't something I was asking for. And then a move to Dubai, which is definitely not something I wanted or was asking for. And whilst I can see a lot of positives in the move, I do sometimes find myself in this place.

of is this the path for me? Am I off pass? And something that can consume my worried mind a lot is, am I abandoning myself? Am I going to lose sight of what I'm here to do? And through this session, it kind of reminded me that when things happen in a way that feel like they are divinely guided, when you may have had an idea of how things are supposed to go and suddenly these strange things happen that fall into place that create a complete pivot in your life. And it's almost like they're being arranged by some greater beings or greater power. And I think I've learned to trust that, to know that if something is being, if the strings are being pulled behind the scenes, that it's for a reason. And when she asked my guides about what is the reason for Dubai, what is the gift of Dubai?

They came back with saying it was a time to pause. It created an opportunity for me to recalibrate and regulate my nervous system because back home, I was just kind of with the usual distraction in a kind of state of anxiety without even realizing it. and I think it probably would have been a million times harder with a child there. And so they told me that this is the time where I go inward. And for those interested in numerology, I am a six and I'm in a year seven. And a year seven is like a year of quiet study. It's a year of introspection and learning really.

It's not a push year. It's a year to kind of figure out like what's going to be next whilst not pushing it, not forcing it and allowing the wisdom to come to kind of get back into connection with your intuition, your creativity. And so it was very interesting looking into that because Dubai actually really does do that for me if I allow it to. If I stop my mind from thinking, oh, but why am I here? Is it off track? This wasn't the place for me. This doesn't represent who I am as a person. This is off brand.

All of these things. And the kind of the thing of Dubai being off brand, because I think a lot of people like, you move to Dubai. That is so unnew. And I get really set off by that because I'm like, I know I should be in New Yorker or Lisbon or something that's like more connected to who I am as a person and what I represent. But then I've sat with that in the last couple of days, and I've also recognized that could possibly just be my ego. And there's a danger, I think, with sort of spirituality in the way that it's been commercialized that everything has become a brand. So you need things that represent that brand. And I've been fortunate enough to be invited to a lot of spiritual retreats or festivals and things like that. And I've had some incredible experiences, but I have also noticed that there's a packaging that comes with it that presents a certain face.

And that doesn't necessarily mean it's authentic or it's embodied. And so it's also an invitation for you to have your own discernment with these sorts of things. And I know this is ironic considering I've just said that I saw a psychic this week. but I'm very mindful with who I invest my money and energy in in guidance in that capacity. And I do think you have to be careful not only of other people, but to also watch your own ego and what it's trying to create and why. And is it about the image and is it about the perception or is it really embodied? Because the ego is very, very sneaky.

And the ego and sort of spirituality is even more sneaky. And we have to be, we have to be careful and watch out for it. And the vision that I keep coming back to at the moment is, if you guys have ever seen The Matrix and you know the Oracle and the Matrix, everything in the Matrix in the film is so specifically put there. Like there is nothing that's just like, oh, let's maybe do this by accident. Like there's an intention behind everything that they did. And if you look at the Oracle, the Oracle is very purposefully put in a very humble, normal environment.

Neo goes to see her, she's baking cookies, there is no fanciness, there is no overly spiritual language. She doesn't even tell him he's the one. and she actually kind of plays the whole thing down and pretty much like tells him he's not. And I come back to that because that's what true spirituality is. It is humble and it isn't loud and it doesn't need to show itself in online and present this kind of way. Like if you are a very spiritually aligned person and living in your integrity, you should be. able to do that anywhere and it doesn't need to be packaged up in a certain way for people to believe it. It just is. And so I think about the Oracle in the Matrix and I'm like, hmm, maybe that's what we

need to be getting back to. It's like knowing that wherever we are, whatever situation we're in, even though it might not be perfect, how can we come back to our own integrity, to our own spiritual life that is internal. It's an inside job. And what are the things that we need to do to feel that sense of peace? Not to chase it, not to validate it, not to find a sort of fake cult-like community that reinforces the idea that we're doing something good or we're on some kind of purposeful path, but just to be able to sit in our own presence and feel good. and that's something that ironically

considering everything that I've done over the last couple of years I feel a bit lost in like I haven't felt that sense of kind of true alignment I remember I used to get it quite a lot when I was younger I didn't have the language for it but I'd read certain books

and I'd get that sense like I'd be in like a chapter that was just like everything was landing for me and I would just get that sense of kind of floatiness or kind of tingliness where I just was like, I'm no, I'm supposed to be reading this book and I'm supposed to be on this chapter in this exact moment. And I guess what it's about is like rather than following the worried mind and the busy mind or the monkey mind that is constantly telling you, oh, you're in the wrong environment, you're in the wrong path, you need to do this, oh, what about that, what about that?

Have you not done that yet? What about that? We didn't, that opportunity we didn't take, et cetera, to actually tune into that voice that gives you these random instructions that don't even necessarily make sense. And before we start analyzing them, trusting them. And I'm trying to do that. I mean, this week, it was, I don't know, like, what's come of it. It was, I don't know, like, what's come of it, but I suddenly, for the first time, and I can't remember how long, I'd finish my meetings, and I had some spare time, and I was like, I'm going to go to the cinema. And this voice in my head was like, go and see Hamlet. I was like, I'm going to go and see Hamlet. And I haven't been to the cinema. I think I went to see Barbie, and I didn't even like it.

But beyond that, I haven't been to the cinema in, in even. years, and that was years ago. And so it was really random. And I looked online and there was a showing of it in 15 minutes time, which was like 15 minutes from where I live. And so I just got in the car, went and I was the only person in the cinema and I watched Hamner. And it was just, I had like a little flicker of that feeling of like, I just had an intuition to do something and I went and did it. And it was an incredible, it's an incredible film on, I mean, it's a perfect film. Everything about it is perfect. And I bawled my eyes out because I guess I probably needed a good cry, but I wasn't going to cry on my own. I needed something to kind of push me over the

edge. And then since it's kind of, it sparked this interest in like, now I want to read Hamlet again. because I'm like, I haven't read that probably since I was at school, and I probably didn't really understand it then. And it's even just a little thing like that, it's causing me to be more curious and lean into the arts. And I know that's a silly example, but I feel like when we do follow that voice, it's like this kind of magical thread that takes us somewhere.

And it's a good thing to counteract the mind. And what this woman also told me in our session, she was like, try and look at the voice that's the resistance and the worry and the anxiety. Try to look at it when you hear it. And I have, I do actually do that anyway, not always successfully. But it's quite a good trick of being able to differentiate between yourself and that voice and recognizing that it's not you. So if you are someone that is a bit of a spiraller and an overthinker, just being able to recognize that that is not you. And if you can look at it, you can kind of diffuse it, I think. Even for a few seconds, it just helps kind of recalibrate and re-senter you. So this is just a short, a short little hello this week.

because I feel like we're all going through a lot. There's a lot of, we're going to do an episode around the year of the horse that's coming up because I think everyone's really over what we've been experiencing and looking for some kind of clarity and looking for something a bit more stabilising. So I just want you guys to know that you're not alone and social media can, can often present the sort of perfect version of people's lives, and it rarely gives, you know, the whole story. And yeah, I found this week to be quite challenging. I also listened to someone else's podcast recently who I love, someone that I love, and they've just restarted a podcast,

and I was listening to it thinking, God, I wish I could take this advice, but the advice that I feel I would have given, because I looked up how old she was and she's 27, and I was like, the advice that I was giving and would have given around that age is very, very different to being almost 37. There's, it's such a different chapter to Saturn return at this point. It feels a lot more permanent. It feels like things are more fixed. You know, at 27, it's quite easy to prescribe, just book a flight and restart your life. Whereas 36, 37, 35, it's not, it's not, it's not so easy and it's not always doable. It's not even doable. So all I want to say is adulting can sometimes be very hard. And I think when we kind of connect with each other over

this stuff, it really helps alleviate some of the pain. I had quite a lot of messages last week from people going through similar things in terms of relocating for a partner or wanting to relocate, but their partner didn't. And you realize like these things, are really individually challenging, but they're also stuff that we all experience. And I personally think it helps to know that you're not alone. So anyway, just a little checking from me. I will be back next week. We're going to do some more astrology pieces and then connect you guys with offerings for the app as well. If you guys haven't checked that out, the Saturn Returns app is available in the Apple store and on Android. And it's really great hearing your feedback. And we're

going to be adding some really exciting new features to that soon. So watch this space. And remember, as always, you are not alone. Goodbye.