Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Black Oxygen Organics

Episode Date: September 14, 2021

Well, people are eating dirt. Real expensive dirt, too. That’s where we’re at. There’s a multi-level marketing company that sells people dirt to eat. We’re doing a Sawbones about it, and it turns out that we actually think it’s a really cool and good idea! Eating pricey dirt goo, we mean.… No, no, it’s terrible. It’s all terrible.

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Some medicines, some medicines that escalate my cop for the mouth. Wow, it's a big mouth. Hello everybody and welcome to Saubone's Marital Tour of Miscite and Medicine. I'm your co-host Justin McRoy. And I'm Sydney McRoy. And Sydney, the world has opened up before me and I see nothing but infinite possibility. Do you know why?

Why? Because I don't know what we are talking about today. Really? I don't know. You didn't send me the notes like you normally do. I just did like 30 seconds ago. Really? Well, we haven't talked about today. I don't know. You didn't send me the notes like you normally do. I just did like 30 seconds ago. Really? Well, we haven't talked about it.

We've been so busy this week that I haven't gotten an update from you on what we're talking about. So I'm so excited. It can be anything. Is it going to be a bummer? Is it going to be a feel good? What's in between that? Our show.

Our show is in between. That's where our show is? Our show. Our show is in between, so that's where our show lies. Our show, yeah. Can I ask you a question before we get into the episode? I love talking about myself. This is, I'm right in my sweet spot with this. You know how there's dirt that, I don't know if it's pronounced hummus, but it might be pronounced hummus, but it's not the hummus you eat. You know what I'm talking about?

It's H-U-M-U-S. Very confused. Is that hummus pronounced hummus, but it's not the hummus you eat. You know what I'm talking about? It's H-U-M-U-S. Is that hummus or hummus? You're asking me? Yeah, I'm realizing as we start to record that I don't actually know if it's pronounced. We watched that great masterclass about soil. Yeah. And I feel like I was probably told if it's hummus or hummus.

Yeah, but maybe our friends over at Wikipedia, let's see what they say. No, no pronunciations there. Maybe the dictionary dot dot. This is the problem. I feel like a lot of our listeners will empathize with me as someone who read a lot as a child, but didn't necessarily talk a lot as a child.

There are lots of words that I know what they mean, and I definitely mispronounce. Definitely. But this is not the hummus that you eat that tastes great with... Hummus. Hummus, good. Then that way, there is no... It looks like with just the one-in,

I would have assumed hummus, but I didn't want to. Here we go. That's her truth. Now you know it. Hummus. Well, to understand this topic, we're going to be talking a lot about dirt. And this is probably already given away to many of our listeners who have emailed me about this.

What our topic is. Justin, have you heard of boo? Boo? Boo. Oh Boo, Radley from Killamockingbird. Yes. No, I don't. Can I imagine how on earth we would be overlapping here? And there are so many people. I had gotten so many emails about this, and I didn't list them all, but thank you to Chris and Charlie and Abigail and Lucia and Morgan and Jacqueline and Amy and Sarah and Debbie and Caitlin and Janaya and Emma and there's so Caitlin, and Janaya, and Emma. There's so many people who have emailed me about this. I've probably missed some of you.

But a lot of people have wanted us, especially since we talked about a multi-level marketing corporation last week, to talk about Boo, B-O-O, which stands for Black Oxygen Organics. Black Oxygen Organics. Okay, tell me all about it, Sid. So this is a multi-level marketing company that sells you dirt. Oh, well, wait, I have dirt. That's oversimplified.

It's not dirt. It comes from dirt. It's sort of dirt. We're gonna get into it. Let's start talking about dirt. In the Himalayan mountains between India and Nepal, there is a substance that has been used as a dietary supplement and treatment

and sort of therapeutic since ancient times. Okay, so the roots, as is true with many of the products we discuss on the show that are sold today that are sort of based in pseudoscience. This traces back to cultures using something similar for a very long time. Okay. That is, of course, part of the story, part of the narrative of this product. It is this supplement that they find in the mountains is this sort of exudate that can collect on the rocks. Exudate? Like something that is released and created

from the like a substance that is released and created from the material around it. And then like collects on the rocks. Okay. Got it. And it is called Sheilajeet. Sheilajeet. Yes. And this is usually a black brown kind of material.

It can be turned into a powder. It was often in, you know, in ancient times it could be not just like used as like a gooey thing, but turned into a powder. Are you looking at pictures? Looks kind of like Vegemite. Is that a reference for Are you looking at pictures? Looks kind of like vegmite. Is that a reference for you, friend? It looks kind of like vegmite. I think it does.

I saw some pictures I would agree. This substance, like I said, which has been used in various preparations that you could either put on your body or eat has been used. Not eat. Oh my god, what eat this? But it was thought to be energizing kind of like that general sort of idea of health giving like This is something that will make you energy and make you healthy without like a too many specifics The topical applications like putting it on your skin applications were usually for a variety of different rashes

It was thought to have a lot of different health benefits And it was part, it is still, I believe part of Ayurvedic medicine, which is a different medical tradition specific to India and that part of the world. And it could be consumed for strength, for longevity, to help with like cognition, thinking, processing, information,

that kind of thing, right? Even added to milk for children. Like we would do Nestle Quick or Carnation Instant Breakfast, they would add some Sheila G. Well, when you add Nestle Quick to our kids' milk, which we don't do that frequently, because... No, I don't even know if we have any. Charlie doesn't like chocolate. Carnation and subreface.

Super-fus. Carnation and subreface. That is actually, that's more like connutrients. Okay, I was going to say, do you think that you're giving them nutrients when you add quick to their milk? No, but Carnation and subreface. I mean, that's basically a meal. It's like, so full of nutrients.

Carnation and subreface. You're going to love it in an instant. Quick. Nestle Quick actually isn't as far from that as you can. It's like so full of nutrients. Coronation and subtract fish. You're gonna love it in an instant. Quick, Nestle Quick actually isn't as far from that as you can get. I was thinking that the worst thing is that thing we do have a bottle of in the fridge, which is that strawberry syrup. Yeah, right, yeah. That's as far from nutrients as you can get, I think.

That's just chemicals and sugar. But that turns your milk pink and the kids love it. So this substance is composed of decaying organic material. That's how it gets to the rocks, right? Like leaves and stuff, they break down bacteria, breaks them down, they become this gooey stuff. Right. That's what it is, okay.

And what breaks it down, a bunch of different bacteria, a bunch of different germs and organisms, microorganisms, fungus, whatever, from the soil, eat all of this organic material and you get this stuff, okay? It's good. The components of it are mainly what we would call humic substances introducing humus to a conversation,

like stuff that is made from decaying organic material. This is very similar to if you compost. The difference being like when you compost, you're intentionally taking like leftover stuff from your kitchen, like food or whatever, whatever you're composting and throwing it in together to try to make it, break down, right? That's like an intentional process,

whereas humans just naturally develops from the earth. So it's like nature's compass. Yeah, we're flipping it around. Yeah, right. That's so human-centric. Nature learned composting from us. So it's rich, decayed, dorkade, not dorkade, decayed organic.

Decade organic stuff, it helps stuff grow. We know that, right? We know that about compost, we know that about humus. There's a layer of that in there with the peat moss and what have you. Mm-hmm, because it's got a variety of nutrients and trace elements, it's got lots of good stuff in it. Plus, it makes soil, if you add compost or humus to your soil,

it makes it crumbly. Like it's lighter, crumblier, fluffier. And when you're... For aeration, I bet. Exactly. Allows oxygen to get down to the roots and everything. So it's good for growing. It was part of why, other than that,

Charlie guilted us into it. But part of why we started composting was for our garden. When Charlie, you know, became an eco warrior. Right. But anyway, so you know what this stuff does, you know it's good for your plants, right? It's good for the earth. Yeah.

Important stuff. Good for us, good for our bodies to eat it. Is that what you're saying? No, I didn't say that, but we're getting there. The substances that make this stuff up include something called folvic acid, and that's really what we're going to be selling to people. Oh, man, I gotta tell you said that I did it from the image church that I did. I also got some shopping results as Google wants to do. And I'll tell you for dirt goo, this is per-rightsy.

This is something- I said you're good. This is something- I said you're good. It's something- It's something- I said you're good. It's something-

I said you're good. It's something- I said you're good. It's something- I said you're good. It's something- I said you're good. Well, and let me tell you,

I'm focusing on black oxygen organics because one, it's what I got a lot of emails about too. It's all over TikTok as we'll get into. But this is a product sold by many other, like they are not the only ones push in dirt as a treatment for things or wellness. There's a little container that has a quarter pound of this stuff. It's $333. You can't even move it this. I wonder if they're saying it's sourced from somewhere

because that's part of where we're going with this story is where do you get your dirt? Helen Mirren's house, it says. No, it doesn't. That's it. So, full of a acid is the acid that really, like that is the part of it that has caught on. I think, like, that's what they push the most if you read the different websites about, like,

why this is so important, why does this work, why does this do this, all this stuff we claim it does. Full of a acid is the component that is supposedly the, it's the best of all acids. It has like, they claim like the best electrolyte, which is species, but I don't know, what do you really mean by best? The best, I mean how do you pick the best acid?

The best of all the supplements. And it just so happens that in the Ottawa Valley in an area called Moose Creek of Ontario, Canada, there lies a full-vict acid rich peat bog. Because you'll find a lot of this stuff in peat bogs, right? Because a bunch of organic material is decaying in a peat bog. I mean, it's right there, then a bog? Yeah.

You're going to get some breakdown of organic material in the bog. So you go to a bog and you collect some dirt. And it's just full of, I was thinking we could call it Fulve. Fulve? You think that'd be a good short? I didn't find that anywhere. But instead of saying Fulve a gasset, like you got your Fulve.

Fulve? Taking your Fulve. I will say Fulve does not trip off the tongue. Got your Fulve. Just come over the new name. That sounds like Fulve. Mm, Fulve, Fulva does not trip off the tongue. Got your Fulva. Just come over the new name. That sounds like Fulva. Mm, Ful, Ful, Ful, Flazad. Nope.

Nope, that's not it. So this specific Fulva acid from the specific peat ball in the specific Canada. One of the top Canada's, top acids from the top Canada's was discovered by this specific Mark St. Orange. One of the top marks. Well, okay, can I and maybe our Canadian, Canadian listeners can email me and let me know if this is true. Oh, I found that this is the guy who is going to found this company Black

Oxygen Organics that we're going to talk about. And you can watch his YouTube videos where he explains all this to you. When I was trying to Google just him so that I could learn more about him, like his story, like I like to do on the show, give you a little bit of background on these people. I found so many marks St. Onjes. Is that like the John Smith of Canada? Mark St. Onjes. Well, I was just going to say three Mark St. Alive. Well, I have it here. I'm just going to go with three Mark St. Alive.

Well, I stumbled on another guy who was selling some like sort of natural skincare products. And so I thought, like I immediately was like, well, this must be the same person, right? Because they're both selling these sort of like natural, you know, herbal kind of producty things. But like, they were totally different people, because I was looking at I was like,

these guys look different. What's he doing? What's he up, no, they were totally different people, because I was looking at, I was like, these guys look different. What's he doing? What's he up? No, they're just different people selling different products. But it's just, I guess a really common name. There were a lot of them that I had to sort through to find this guy. Yeah.

Anyway, so Mark, his story is that he initially found this mud, this black mud in Germany that a lot of people were using in like medical, they were using it for medical applications. And he started using it in his orthotherapy practice. Like at the time he was doing this orthopedic therapy type stuff and like it was from his, like his mom did it and then and then he followed in her footsteps. They both were in the same stuff. They traveled a lot, and he saw these people in Germany using this black mud, and he was

like, well, I'm going to use this black mud too. It was so effective on people, this black mud, on their various issues, that he started thinking, where can I get more of the best black mud? And he started thinking about his old bullfrogging days in Ontario where I guess you go get bullfrogs? Is that what bullfrogging is? Yeah, oh god, I hope so because if not it's dirty. If it's not that, it's pretty bad, I think. So he went back to Ontario and he started checking bogs, because I guess there are a lot of bogs there. If you wanna get the best frogs,

yeah, I got a lot of bogs. So we went to all the bogs. So the best frogs? So the best frogs and checked all the mugs. He checked 63 different peat bogs. Which sounds like a lot, but I don't know how many you could sort of assess it a given day. Well, how many do you have in the auto? I don't know, but they have a lot of them and he checked 63 of them and

Which is either extremely thorough or not that impressive. We don't know. I don't know. Well 62 of them were complete waste of time Other than the fraud. I don't know. Maybe the frogs were great, but the mud was not great. So in the 63rd, he found the best of the best with the most fall of a asset. That's what he was looking for. Was the most fall of a asset he could find. And there's human acid in there too, by the way. Like that's part of it,

but like the fall of a acid is the big deal. So anyway, he had found the best of the best and he was ready to get to business. And I'm gonna tell you about this business, but first let's go to the billing deal. So anyway, he had found the best of the best and he was ready to get to business. And I'm going to tell you about this business, but first let's go to the billing department. I really wish Billion Merle-Bogg, oh well, maybe next time. The medicines, the medicines that I skilled at my car before the mouth. We have wasted this world. Our magic put a storm in the sky that has rendered the surface of our planet uninhabitable.

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or wherever you listen to podcasts. When we last left our thrilling tale, one of Canada's top marks just found the best frog in the bog, and it was some of the best mud he's ever seen, and he was gonna find some other marks. Get what I did there. Oh. To sell it to him.

Ooh. So he, so now he's got the best mud. According to him, the best mud is hard to. He has this history of working with patients in like orthotherapy, as this history of his mom having, what was actually technically an aesthetics business. So like he combines all of this together with his love of mud and bullfrogs. And he I don't actually the frogs don't play a part in this.

The frogs are done. We're known with the frogs in this story. The frogs are not part of it. He created boo. Black oxygen organics. black oxygen organics. Black oxygen organics. If you'd like to, if you'd like to play along home, you can go to their website and see their products, what they are actually selling. Now you know their story, you know the deal. It's over 6,000 years in the making, of course. And the main things they sell, these products are they've got black oxygen, tabs.

So these are tablets of folic acid, okay. And it's got a few other things in there. They've got a little bit of vitamin C, a little bit of iodine, some potassium, and then a lot of other things that are sort of in trace amounts, right? And then like there's stevia in there. So I guess to make them taste better. Yeah, sure. They're kind of sweet. Considering it's dirtvia in there. So I guess to make them taste better. Yeah, sure. So they're kind of sweet. Considering it's dirt.

So there you go. So you have the tablets, you can get a box of 40 tablets for $110. Seems a little steep. So that's for downpills. And each tablet is a daily dose. So I guess, you know, it's a tablet a day. Is all you would need. So I guess it's a tablet a day. Is all you would need. So I don't know, is that a deal?

It's 40 days. All more than a month. That's way more than you'll need in a month. It's like such a bargain when you think about it that way. There's also a powder. So if you don't want the tablets, you can get black oxygen powder, which is loose, full Vic and Humeic acid powder. Again, there's some other stuff like traces.

Powdered dirt, which is so convenient because you can just instantly whip up a batch. And you can look up the ingredients on the website, like again, vitamin C, iodine, potassium, Simpson saline, and then some tr then some trace other things are in there. And again, this is $110 for a bag of 125 grams. And to sort of break down like what you'd be getting, the way you can use this is either you can use 2.5 grams in 500 ml of water. So you can put 25 grams of it in a bath.

Mm. Nice. And you'll see on TikTok people bathing in this. That turns the water completely black. So everything, if you're drinking it, it's black. If you're bathing in it's black. If you're doing the foot bath, it's black. You can do, you can add baking soda and water

to 2.5 grams of this and make a mask. Oh, nice, yeah. So you can, these are the various uses for the powders and the tablets. And then there is, and that's $110 to, and then there is coffee. Oh. Yes, there is black oxygen coffee, which is a premium Italian roast with Fulvic minerals. You get 12 cake cups, each is one serving, and it's 30 bucks for 12 cake cups. So, if you were thinking, I care about the environment, and I like to use products that are naturally from the environment, but I don't care that

much about the environment in retrospect. I have dear Earth, I appreciate the great dark. So here is a bunch of little plastic cups. But you're not throwing them on the ground, honey. They're gonna end up in the ocean. It's okay. So did you have something to comment before I carry on?

No, I don't have something to comment on. You keep saying these are heavy size. It's, well, you know what, it's tough said because it's so dumb that it almost starts to make you wonder like, maybe? Yeah, like it's so, it's because it is such a, like you wouldn't think of that for plants, but we know it's good for plants.

And I feel like there's part of me, and also they're promising like, it feels so, you know what it is? It's just playing into the fallacy in my own brain. It sounds so natural. And that feels like, that makes sense. Because I'm a big believer that, like, we live in an incredible

like biological system that is evolved over millennia more than the eons whatever to like Make this incredible environment and that there's like a lot that is in built here if we know how to utilize it to like help ourselves but like So I can understand the temptation, but then you take one step back and it's like, that's $100 for dirt. I mean, what would Maclamor say if you saw that in a thrift shop? I think you'd be turning around a walk away, get the sheets, smell like pee pee. But let me ask you a question though. So humans eat food and the foods that we eat take,

for the most part, some effort, right? Like we either, if you eat... Like baby bells, are you kidding me? You just sit there for 15 minutes, try to get all these guys open. If you eat animals, like our ancestors had to hunt them, kill them, eventually figure out to cook them. So on and so forth, if you eat plants,

you gotta grow them, you gotta find them, you gotta make sure there's not the poisonous ones, but they're not poisonous ones, and eat the right mix of them. So if it were as easy as just eating the dirt, don't you think somebody would have figured that out a long time ago and we would just eat dirt? Well, they're not saying that you should have this instead of food, right?

No, but I'm saying like if you really needed to eat dirt, dirt was already... Dirt was maybe... Dirt was everywhere. You think maybe dirt would taste better? Well, we could have been eating dirt all along. Like... We missed out. It took us all this effort to get a cheeseburger,

but we could have just eaten dirt. Okay, if I can get what you're saying biologically, this is like, I think an evolutionary argument that like, if over the past million years as humans were developing, some people, some people were like, there's brown food all over and I'm gonna eat as much of this good stuff as I can. And we probably would have evolved like a taste for dirt

if it was like the good stuff. Kids go, the good stuff gets go for. We've talked about this on the show before with people who eat clay. Like we've talked about the concept of eating different kinds of dirt. And that there are like cultural traditions in some societies that have ingested

various forms of dirt at times. But it is not the cornerstone of anyone's diet and is not included in our essential, like this is what you have to eat to survive as a human on earth because it's not. Right. What they claim it will do though, this isn't just about, you'll see a lot of, it's a food supplement and that's probably more for legal reasons.

Because what they say is that it's going to fight inflammation. Again, it's that none. There's so much stuff in the wellness industry that's sold under this like the specter of inflammation. Oh yeah, are natural enemy inflammation? Yes. And like, yes, inflammation is a thing, and yes, there are many reasons you can experience it, but the idea that everyone's just walking around

and inflamed all the time is false. That it regenerates cell tissue, that it delivers oxygen to your cells, but it is also an antioxidant. So it both gives and stops oxidation. It oxidizes and antioxidizes, which is really impressive. It stops aging. It improves metabolism. It improves circulation, memory, mood, your immune system. It's a good booth. Boost. It will improve your heart health. It will remove, it will detox you. The detox is a big part of it.

A lot of the tiktokers are using it as a detox, so they have to remove all the heavy metals in their body. They have to remove all the toxins in their body, and so that's how they're trying to do it. They say it's good for rebalancing your gut flora, the idea being that like it naturally contains organisms that are good for your gut and you need those. So we're going to put them back in.

It balances your hormones. That's a big selling point. Again, I don't know. In terms of like, in terms of where they get these claims, you can link to some of their studies per se on the website to find where did this idea come from, and some of it is just based on ancient use. People have been using it for that for centuries, so it must work, which we know is not necessarily true.

But there are some studies that were done in animals, largely in rats and carp that looked at like the effect of fall of a gasset on certain tissues and things. And so like when you get like this idea that it decreases non-specific inflammation, that was based on like a study in some fish or some rats. And what's hard is that if you drill down on all the science, well,

first of all, they're all very small. Secondly, a lot of them don't actually conclude that it helps. Some of them conclude that it doesn't, that we don't really know, they don't conclude. And then some of them say like, actually, we think it might have made inflammation worse. We're not really sure. So even in rats and carp, it's not routinely helpful. Same thing with inflammation and immune function. Both of those have equivocal, some studies say one thing, some studies the other. None of these are in humans again. The only like human studies aren't studies per se,

they're case reports. So like you can, this isn't something where you set up like a control group and an experimental group and you did something different to each group and then looked for the outcome. These are like, okay. People are already eating dirt and we talked to a bunch of them and this is what they had to say. I have 10 patients in my naturopathic practice and I interviewed the 10 of them and talked

about how much their lives improved while they were eating dirt and I wrote about it. There is a place and like the thing is there is a place in science for a case report. It can illustrate a diagnosis, a treatment, an illness course, something very well. And so like the case reports are important, but this is not how you prove something works. That's a case report does not prove to you that a treatment is effective or ineffective. You need a big, you know, double blind, randomized, controlled study to prove that. And that has obviously not been done for any of these things. So when you see something where it's like,

it's gonna cure Alzheimer's, that is not based on any real science. Like there's no proof that any of that would happen. Not based on any real science like there's no proof that any of that would happen There also are some studies that have looked at like I guess there's a specific chemical reaction that can take place when these humic acids, phobic acid and humic acid are mixed with chlorine and so one of the things they'll say is like when you ingest this stuff at home Be careful about how much chlorine is in your water. Like you wouldn't want to use any chlorinated water.

And like, yes, obviously there's chlorine in water, right? Small amounts, it's not something you need to worry about. But like, I guess if you, if there's too much chlorine in there, there'll be a reaction with the humic acids and then it can make you really sick. So it's important that you don't like use, or I guess the same could happen if you've gotten a bath of chlorinated water or I don't know, you decided to buy enough of this to fill your pool with full of acid with dirt. You know how sometimes you want to fill your pool with dirt. It's for the filter, sure.

But anyway, so that's a little concerning too. And then there, and because of these sort of like, very, like, inconclusive, very small, largely in animals, studies that have really not proven anything. They just haven't. They have not done the work. They haven't done the science. They haven't proven that any of this is true. Based on that, they have created this multi-level marketing company, Black Auction Organics.

Imagine, yeah. Where you can either buy these products or you can become a distributor and you can buy these big, if you look under opportunity, they have all of the different ways that you can get paid and how you can, you know, be your own boss or whatever the rhetoric usually is. And then like here are the different packs to get you started. So you can get like a $580 business pack that's got some tablets and powder. You can get the director pack for $9.95, $995, with five of the tablets, five of the powder, and the five of the coffee, and for $1,845, you can get the professional pack. Then you're really ready with your 12 packages of tablets and your 12 packages of powder.

But anyway, you can become a distributor, and I think that's what a lot of people are coming across on TikTok are people who have bought into that and are selling this stuff as part of the multi-level marketing model. And what really is the problem with this, I think is because this is the way they're distributing it, if you just have a website and a product that's so carefully regulated when it's something like this, when it's a supplement that really doesn't have proven scientific benefit, they have to be super careful about what they

say, right? Like they can't claim treatment, they can't claim cure, they have to say these statements haven't been evaluated by the FDA, they have to put all that language on there. And so in terms of monitoring by the FDA, by the FTC, whoever's going to monitor this stuff, it's really easy to monitor. Now when you have tons of distributors who are out there telling people face to face or tick tock to tick tock, what it does and what it can do, it's a lot harder to regulate what they're saying, right? And what claims are being made.

And so I have to imagine that's part of what has happened with this specific product is that depending on who's selling it to you, there are lots of other claims being made about what this stuff is supposed to do. So instead of becoming this sort of run-of-the-mill, like, buzzy wellness product, like, oh, I felt so detoxified and energized. And I mean, the normal stuff they say,, like, oh, I felt so detoxified and energized.

And I mean, the normal stuff they say, I had more energy and I slept better. That's what all of them supposedly do, right? Well, now you have people who are saying, it will also help you with things like toxic stress and healing your psychological trauma. Yeah. Which is a super dangerous claim to tell someone

that if you bathe in this dirt water, you don't need to see... I mean, basically, you can do this and you won't need to see a therapist, you won't need to seek professional help if you bathe. And of course, they're never going to say that, right? Except sometimes they might. Because when you get into these social media sites, people say, oh, kinds... I mean, we know, right?

People say, oh, kinds of wild stuff. And so you see claims that everyone is full of parasites. This is a common wellness myth. Everyone's full of parasites, and everyone needs to deworm themselves. And I guess if you're not worried about COVID and you're not taking horse dewormer instead, you could use this product product and it will cleanse your body of all parasites and also parasites are covered in heavy metals. So when you take this product, all these heavy metals will be released. So it will also detox you from all these heavy metals.

So you gotta get all of that out. And then also after that, you can't stop using the product because once all the heavy metals and parasites are out of your body, it's not common for Candida or Candida, depending on how you like to pronounce it, to overgrow in your body. And then you get into that whole sort of false concept that all of us are overgrown with yeast all the time, which is also not true, but a common wellness myth. And so you need to take it for the yeast that is filled your body.

So they always have a reason. It is being promoted for parents to give to children who are autistic. I have seen it for a variety of reasons. Things like I was able to potty train my autistic child after I gave them this. Some of it is like put it on them for a rash. Give it to them for anything. Again, so it's being promoted to give to children and specifically targeting autistic children. And none of this is based on anything. I was looking at their, it's funny you said that I was looking at their, they have a scientific research section on their website. So I click through them like, well, gosh, you know, there's, I look at it and there's, I mean, 40, 40 some odd pages of, of information. It's like, dang guys, that's so much. And I started

thinking like, how on earth do you as a human being like, how are you supposed to like fair it out when someone is like lying to you. Sure. I can understand that. And when they have this much to back it up. And then I started looking at this documentation that they have provided here on these many pages. On the second page, or the seventh page here, there's a section called Science in Medicine when they're talking about this is from the full-veg acid research document. Full-veg acid is still not well-known or understood by most of the scientific or medical community. I mean right there you can pretty much be like,

check please, I'll go ahead and see what it's all about. You actually don't, oh you're going to keep going. Full-veg acids have not been able to be synthesized by chemists and are unable to be clearly defined because they're extremely complex nature. This perplexity warrants little opportunity for science or medicine to exploit fulvic acid or profit from new patents. Accumulating claims of encouraging health benefits

by the public have been simply remarkable. So it's like, what you just said is listen science doesn't actually understand any of this but it anecdotally it's very helpful like you don't if you look into this if you poke it even a little bit like I feel like we at this point have hopefully you know hopefully equipped you with the tools hopefully, you know, hopefully equipped you with the tools to like if a dumb dumb like me can can look at that and be like, uh, okay, you actually don't have any idea what you're talking about. Well, it's just, I mean, like if you look through that big giant document, I mean, first

of all, I would say that like, if something works and you do a proper study, you do a large enough study with enough, you know, you do all the proper things. I'm not going to go through every step, but you follow all the right steps and you do the science about a new medicine or treatment or whatever. That one study can show you if something likely works or not. Now I'm not saying one study is ever enough, right? We reproduce things to make sure that's part of it,

reproducibility. So you've got to make sure you can reproduce it. But it does not take you 40 pages of different studies, many of them done in carp to tell you if a treatment works or not. Generally, if it's good, we can tell after just a few correctly done studies, right? And I'm not saying every time,

sometimes it does take a lot more trial and error, but once something is working, it shows in the data. If you do it right, now if you do it wrong, it does take this long and also it never proves anything, which is exactly what you have here. Now, none of this really tells us anything, none of these 40 pages tell us for sure that anything is doing anything.

And testimonies mean nothing. Testimonials from people who used it and felt better mean nothing to science. It's nice, it's interesting. It makes for some wild TikToks, but it doesn't actually tell us how to take care of ourselves. And they have an answer for everything, because that was the other thing I kept thinking,

like, well, if we need all this stuff, we grow our plants in dirt. Like, why do I need to eat the dirt? We grow our plants in the dirt. It's bad dirt. Well, it's bad dirt. It's bad. Because of our terrible farming methods. These deficient pesticide-laden products are turned into, quote, cash, which the farmer thinks is the bottom line, lacking in organic trace elements and other nutritional factors, but long on chemical residues from pesticides and sexicides, herbicides, these nutritionally hollow products end up on the tables of America without taste and deficient in organic materials and nutrients. We pee, boil, and overcook what remains and ask, and ask, why do I hurt?

Like that's in your scientific document dog. Are you sure? You sound like a slam poet. Like this is not your scientific document. It's, I mean, here's the thing. Like what the trap that this has fallen into, like real scientists doing real science fall into this trap. Sometimes you feel so strongly that this is the answer, that this is going to work, that it can be really hard

to not want to start from there. I know this works. I just have to prove it. But that's not how good science works. I think this might work. Let me prove it doesn't, and if I can't prove it doesn't, then it must. Let me prove this is just coincidence, and if the number show that it's not coincidence, then I found something. You always have to start from the, from you can't fall in love with whatever your variable is. You can't decide it works before you test it.

You have to go through the process and find out that maybe the thing you spend a lot of time and energy into investigating isn't helpful. You have to be ready to accept that. And if you start from the belief, because that's what it is, it's not something you know, it's something you believe, which isn't helpful in science. But if you start from the belief that something works and work from there to prove it, oh, you'll find it. I mean, you'll find enough bias to create your narrative, which is what you have here.

There's no proof that this does anything. I certainly would not promote it for any of the reasons they say to use it. I haven't found a lot of evidence that it necessarily is harming people. I imagine like anything if you ate enough dirt, you could get sick, but they're not advocating that you eat dirt constantly. They tell you the doses and stuff. It's more likely that you're just wasting $110 on some dirt tabs that do nothing. But what's really harmful about this is that it leads people away from actual therapies and treatments that might help towards this bogus stuff

that won't. And that's really dangerous because then people don't get the real help they need for whatever the problem is If you want to watch some fun TikToks there are time again, I've destroyed my algorithm for this stuff people like Put their feet in like these black water foot baths and then after a while their stuff floating on the top And they're convinced that it's all parasites We have a don't watch them because then what people see them well, that's true Like you're just but they do and it like there's a lot of that belief

There's a lot of like close-up pictures of what people think are worms and things there there is one where it's got something swimming in the foot bath But again like it could have just been in the foot bath. And I've seen some people argue, do you think that these dirt powders and tabs have bugs in them because they're dirt and so people are ingesting bugs? I don't really find evidence of that. I'm not going to stand here and say they're going to give you parasites. I didn't see anything that made me think that's going to happen. It just made me think it's not going to do anything.

Am I saying the ear candles where it's like, look, I use this ear candle and they're looking on the white... And the paper cones filled with wax. Look at all the wax in here. It's like, it's a candle. I mean, what do you want, Scott wax in it? Yeah, I mean, it's dirt. And so like when you put it in water,

some stuff floats to the top. There's different stuff, like some stuff floats, some so sinks, it's a density thing. Anyway, and there's also like just skin cells and stuff. I don't know, a lot of the times when people show you something they think is a worm, it's a density thing. Anyway, and there's also like just skin cells and stuff. I don't know, a lot of the times when people show you something they think is a worm, it's really just sort of like a scab or some skin cells. Yeah.

And that's what a lot of these pictures are. So I always feel bad for the people who are being taken in by this. Because it will give you false hope, it will take you in the wrong direction, you'll waste your money, you'll waste your time. It also makes you think you're sick all the time. Like a lot of these wellness products are not necessary.

They claim treatment for actual conditions, and then they claim that non-specific better. I'll make you better. We'll make you better. Which maybe you're okay. Yeah. You're getting a sleep. Maybe getting a sleep, cut back on the drinking, have us some more vegetables, you know, dry that stuff.

And if you really are in need of whether it's due to toxic stress, you know, psychological trauma or any of the medical, like physical medical conditions that they mentioned, go seek professional help. Don't buy this stuff. Don't use this stuff. And don't try to convince other people to use this stuff. Thank you so much for listening to our show. We hope you've enjoyed yourself.

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