Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - How to Detox from a Vaccine

Episode Date: November 23, 2021

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sobbing's fodder for the future. She hasn't even dipped in the egg models. I haven't even had the egg models yet. I can't say that word. And recently it has come to my attention that, okay, as you know, if you listen to our show, resistance to vaccines. Oh, this is a feeling very fast to sit.

It is not new. Ever since the first, the smallpox vaccine was introduced and people started businesses and schools and stuff started saying, hey, we want everybody to get this before you show up so you don't spread deadly smallpox to everyone. We've had anti-vaxxers. And the arguments have been pretty similar over the years, religious freedom or just freedom freedom, freedom, freedom. Regular freedom. And fear of what's in it, natural stuff, I like to stick to natural things,

I don't like whatever medicine. The same stuff, right? A lot of people are just scared of shots. I think that is still, I still hold that a lot of people are just scared of needles. And that if vaccines were pills, it would not be such an issue. Probably. But that's a fair assumption. Some vaccines are pills to be fair. It's just most aren't. This is true. But an idea. And if it was a TikTok, then I think people would have no problems. Or a TikTok. Or a TikTok. It was a TikTok.

If you were around about those things, that would be my problem is if the vaccine was a TikTok, I'd pop one, be like, oh my gosh, good. And then later, I wouldn't even be thinking about it. You know what I mean? I just pop it up and jam four in. And you'd be ultra vaccinated. There's not an amount of tick tax where you're like, oh, this is good.

This is a good amount of tick tax. You feel that way about tick tax? Yeah, it's not like I love them or anything, but it's just like, what am I doing? You put one tick down your mouth, you're like, what am I doing? Did the tooth come loose? That is similar to the problem with tick talks.

Yeah, but you can't watch this one. Yeah, so, okay, but this idea isn't new, but the idea that, okay, let's say you have to get the vaccine. You don't want to, but you have to to keep your job or because you want to travel or you want to go to a restaurant in New York or whatever. And so you're going to get it, but you need a way to undo it. Okay. Right. That seems newer. It's not, it's not just a COVID thing, but it is definitely newer than general resistance to vaccines.

It, there definitely is this new idea that like, okay, well, so you, you went and did it. You got the vaccine. Now, how can you detox yourself after you get it? Which is a missing, is not a toxin to begin with, right? No, it's not. It's not, I mean, the thing is, okay. It's in the fiction of this.

The idea is that after you've gotten the vaccine under Dores, I suppose, you will need to cleanse your stuff of all the stuff that was in it that worried you about it and made your assistant to it to begin with. And what are those things? Well, it just depends on who you're asking. Some will tell you it's the toxins. And the word toxin is used in sort of like

pseudomedicine wellness circles to mean any, whatever you need it to mean at the moment. Radiation, especially, you know, there's a lot of talk about the COVID vaccine can, I don't give you great cell phone reception or make your internet work faster. Make your, kind of, break your ding dong. That, yeah, that's, it doesn't, but yes, and nanotechnology, you know the usual stuff the usual stuff that you worry about nanotechnology now

If you have been recently vaccinated and this is getting you worried I'm gonna kind of go back to a brief history associated with this before I get into like the current COVID discussion around it But I do want and and give you your detox formulas. But I do want to say, since that might stress you out, to know that you're not gonna hear the detox formulas till the end of the show, it is impossible to, well, first of all, it's not a toxin,

you couldn't detox, but if what you're trying to say is you wanna remove the vaccine after you've put it in you, it's impossible, you can't, there's nothing you've put it in you, it's impossible. You can't. There's nothing that would, nothing period, end of sense. I don't need to do a study. It just doesn't, you can't. It's in there.

That's it. Done. And moreover, you would never want to because it's going to prime your immune system to protect you from getting or dying of a deadly virus. So, but what if I want to, um, what do you want to what? What do you got? What do you got? Die of coronavirus.

No, I want to get it out. Said, what do you got for me? Okay. So I'm going to get there. I'm going to get to what the current COVID thing is. But before that, I do want to there. I'm gonna get to what the current COVID thing is. But before there, that I do want to step back just a couple decades, just a few decades. Because when it comes to vaccine conspiracies and misinformation campaigns, the roots of these

are often tied to autism. Sadly, that's where a lot of this sort of these bad ideas, these fake ideas and these harmful ideas, that's where they come from, are these incredibly dangerous, sometimes just ignorant and then sometimes malicious, quote unquote, treatments or cures for autism. And again, they're based on theories about why autism happens that are also completely wrong and untrue.

It have been disproven repeatedly, repeatedly in the ideas stick anyway. But back in the 90s, the complete quack and dangerous source of deadly misinformation, Andrew Wakefield promoted the completely false idea. And I'm saying I'm reinstating how false these are because these ideas keep perpetuating and there's some that would argue,

like just don't ever talk about them again. I'm way till they go away. But I don't know. I would say the last few years have taught us that that doesn't necessarily work. Ideas don't go away just because you refuse to acknowledge them, because they are so ridiculous. But anyway, so he promoted the completely false idea

that thimerisol, which was a mercury containing compound that was used in some multidos files of vaccines. So some, you've probably seen like a lot of vaccine. Before COVID, you wouldn't have seen a lot of these, but the little vials that the vaccine comes in, people are doing all kinds of fun things with them now, making chandeliers out of them in Christmas lights and all kinds of things.

Yeah. We have a very different algorithm. Sorry, it's ticked off the neck. So in these little vials can contain a single dose of a medicine or vaccine, or they could contain multiple doses. And sometimes thymarousal was used in some of these multidose vaccine

vials to stabilize it. That's it. It contained an incredibly tiny, tiny amount of mercury that was found to be completely clinically insignificant and could not possibly have any effect in the human body. Last mercury then say eating fish that contains mercury. If you're worried about mercury, get your vaccines and don't eat fish, but I'm not even saying that because you can still consume a safe amount of fish. To be fair, I don't eat fish. Either.

Well, one, you do. To be fair. To be fair, let's put it all on the table. I'm trying to talk for long enough for you to drink a little bit of agnonga. Okay, I'm just saying. Well, you can say, what was the solution that Andrew Wakefield came up with? you have this false belief that vaccines with a

Marisol could have caused autism? What did he advise parents to do? To not he advised them he said, don't get this vaccine. Yeah, just don't get vaccinated. Don't get vaccinated. Don't get vaccinated. Now this is again completely false. By the way, don't cut that one. Make it a text tone. We're gonna just say that. Okay. This is what Wakefield said, who has been, again, completely discredited, lost his license. His study was falsified, it was completely fake, all of it was fake, it was retracted.

This was all fake, but the damage was done because this idea completely wrong and based on lies has stuck and continues to damage people to this day. I want to make an argument. If you want to know this, the eggnog, this will take me like 30 seconds. Here is the eggnog that I want to offer. No, here is the theory that I want to offer. Is Andrew Wakefield, I'm phrasing this as a question, so it's legally defensible.

Is Andrew Wakefield the worst dude among the like top echelon of worst dudes ever? I mean, he's definitely, I would not say the worst. I think that- No, no, that's, I'm not getting, I'm not a way to do that. Yeah, I think that there are some contenders there for that. And like if we look back, not too far in human history, but he's, I mean, he's up there

because vaccine resistance leads to the spread of deadly childhood diseases. So anything that encourages kids, parents not to get their kids vaccinated, puts those kids' lives at risk. You can do the rest of that, figuring out for yourself. But yeah, I'd put them up there. So a lot of people began to wander, even though, again, his ideas would all be discredited and he would lose his license. And he should be forgotten forever. But he still, I think, circulates in anti-vax. I mean, we keep bringing him up. We bring up a lot of people on this show. What?

That's a real rose gallery. There were a lot of people on this show. What? That's a real rose gallery. There were a lot of parents who started asking, well, what do I do if my kids already been vaccinated? Like, that's fine. I won't get more vaccines, but how do I fix the damage from the thymarisol? Now, we had known about something called chelation therapy

since the 1930s when a compound that was abbreviated EDTA for simplicity was discovered to be useful in treating lead poisoning. So basically there are substances that we can put in your body to pull out things that shouldn't be there. Like if you actually have heavy metals in your body in toxic amounts, we can give you something that will bind those heavy metals and flush them out through your kidneys, right? This is a real thing, like, because people do get heavy metal poisoning. Like that is a thing that can happen.

That is real. So, and since then we have developed a number of different compounds that can do that, some that are less toxic and stuff because some of these are quite dangerous as I'm gonna get into, but we know that there is a way, if you do indeed have heavy metals in your body, that we can remove them.

So some people began to get the idea that if, again, these are all lies, but this is what base, this is where this is all coming from. If the Imerisol with mercury in these vaccines is what caused autism, then maybe we could get the mercury back out of the people who have been vaccinated. So remove that vaccine component with chelation therapy and thereby as they would argue, as they would term cure autism. Okay. Okay.

And so they began to promote chelation therapy for kids, usually kids, I mean, could be adults, but these are generally, I mean, historically, have been parents seeking treatment for autistic children, is where the targets of this sorts of therapy, and it would remove the mercury. Throughout the early 2000s, there were a lot of quacks out there who would offer this and like come and you could bring your child and allow them

to be given chelation therapy with the hopes that you would remove whatever mercury was in there, even if they didn't have, and the thing is like this wasn't based on some sort of lab test. It's not like they did, because this has been done by the way, because I know what you're wondering is,

like well, did they even look to see or their higher mercury levels and people with autism? No, they're aren't, they did that study. There is no difference in the amount of mercury in an autistic person and not autistic person, like they're just isn't, but they went ahead and offered this anyway.

And it was not benign, by the way. That's the other thing to know about chelation therapy. Even when actually necessary, because somebody does have toxic levels of heavy metals in their blood, it's risky. There are risks to this therapy. These compounds are not totally benign. It can cause kidney damage, it can cause dehydration, it can dangerously lower your calcium levels,

it can cause liver damage, severe allergic reactions. In the case of somebody with heavy metal toxicity, you'd be balancing those risks versus, I mean, the very real damage that actual heavy metal poisoning can do, right? It's a risk-benefit thing. Like, well, yeah, there's dangerous teculation, but if we let you hang out with this heavy metal, then you could die of that. So when used inappropriately, it can cause death. So despite never proving that it did anything helpful and several cases where chelation therapy did indeed

cause harm or death to children who were undergoing chelation therapy for autism. It persists as a fake medicine, quote unquote, treatment for autism. To this day, you will find people who will tell you they will chelate you. Well, again, it could be aimed at somebody who is actually autistic, but it's generally aimed

at parents of autistic children. The idea being that, again, within the K-fabe of this, like the damage has already been done, quote unquote, by the time you're older, and then adult. Yes, and so, like there's a and so again, this would all be tied to this false belief that the vaccine caused the autism. Like if you don't buy that, then this theory falls apart.

But if you buy into that fake idea, then this would be a viable treatment option. But of course, it isn't, and chelation therapy shouldn't be used. And this isn't, of course, the only example of vaccine reversal being used to falsely treat autism, because they're, like, chelation therapy is sort of the big one. This is how we'll get rid of the vaccines. There are other ways that they've attempted

to get rid of your vaccine if you have autism after the fact. And I wanna tell you about some of those, but first we got a head head to the billing department. Let's go. The medicines, the medicines, the escalate macabre for the mouth. The medicine, the medicine, the escalate macabre for the mouth.

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I tried to lay out this episode to start with the really egregious stuff and get to the stuff that's. Just a few kind of supports. No, I don't support any of it. It's still fake, but at least less harmful. Not that that's better. It's all, and I should preface with, and we talk about this a lot on solbones,

but if you haven't heard it before, we'll say it again. A lot of this is also based on the idea that any neurodivergence is bad and needs to be cured, so to speak. And these are not my words. These are the words of the practitioner, or whatever they may be, whatever their licensing or certification may be,

who promote these sorts of treatments that we need to get rid of autism. Well, you know, again, we've said this before, but I think it bears repeating, especially as someone like who is, you know, again, we've said this before, but I think it bears repeating, especially as someone like Who is is you know neurodivergent themselves like I think that it bears repeating that Autism and many different types of neurodivergence are not diseases to be cured, but rather just facets of who people are I know of and know personally a lot of people who are living on the autism spectrum that have wonderful amazing

fulfilling incredible lives not in spite of That autism but because of it. It is part of who they are. It is part of their Their journey. It is part of who they are as people. It's not something to be Excreated and is that a word? That's a word right? Yeah, it's not something to be excreated. Is that a word? That's a word, right? I don't know if it's an appropriate word. It's not a disease. It's trying to cure all of us. They need support, they need support, but like, so does everybody.

We all do. And I mean, we all need different kinds of support. We all learn differently. We know that. We know that there are many different ways that we develop as children. And many different ways of supporting children as they're developing that are specific to that kid and their needs. We all have specific needs. I mean, that's true about all of us, autistic or not. And it's always wild to me that autistic people speak out against all of these sorts of things. You know, once they're given the ability to let them

it's their adults, you know, once they are no longer sort of having to follow someone else's treatment plan for them, they speak out against this and we don't listen to them. That's really frustrating to me because you would think that once you have like a group of adults saying like, no, no, no, we don't, you'd please stop, please stop this stuff. It's still not enough. But anyway, I don't want, I don't, you'd, please stop, please stop the stuff. It's still not enough. But anyway, I don't want my kids have flipping chicken pucks.

You cut it out, please. This isn't the only example, like I said, of vaccine reversal. There were, there were a group of Canadian homeopaths in, who found, who were founded in 2010, and they were called, again, just to sort of echo what we're saying, they were called cease, which stood for complete elimination of autistic spectrum expression. That sounds evil. It doesn't, it sounds like,

and when you stop, it sounds like eugenics. I mean, if you just wanna put it out there, like it sounds like eugenic. And now they're not, it's not exactly eugenics because it's homeopathy, so it's completely fake. It's like fake pretend you, it's half-hearted eugenics for people. Yeah, it's completely. But basically they advise the use of homeopathic vaccines to reverse the effects of the original vaccines that they believed again caused the autism, or at

least they said 70% of autism was caused by vaccines. I don't know about the other 30%, but 70% were definitely vaccines. And so they basically would administer an incredibly diluted form of a vaccine, which would do nothing. I mean, in this case, we've talked about homeopathy also. Things are diluted to such an extent that there may not even be more than

a molecule of the original compound in whatever you're actually given. And so most homeopathic medicines, not all, most couldn't cause harm because they're basically water. Now that, that isn't always true. There are some that have been shown to be dangerous, but generally they just don't do anything. They're dangerous in the sense that you're turning to that instead of actual medicine, right? So they would administer those and then just counsel you once you get treated, just don't get any more vaccines.

And again, on the less dangerous, but even more absurd side, there was another vaccine detox that was prescribed by fake doctors for autism, consisting of cod liver oil. So... Oh, good. Basically, after your baby has had a round of vaccines, these were mainly aimed at little, little kids, because we do get a lot of vaccines early in childhood. And in case you have that question,

why do we get the vaccine so little? If people are nervous about this stuff, why don't we wait till kids are older to give them the vaccine so they won't be so nervous? Because we give the vaccines prior to the ages when most kids died of these diseases before vaccines. So that's always a good point to bring up. And I'll hear a lot of really well meaning just like really wanting to know the truth parents who will ask me that question, couldn't we give them later? And the cases and the truth is like,

well, if we gave them later, we may miss our opportunity and your kid might get sick. So that's why we give them so early because before we had vaccines, a lot of kids died before they were two. And now they don't. So the cod liver oil detox is basically very small amounts. It's like a half a teaspoon and a quarter teaspoon of cod liver oil that you either put

in the baby bottle or you could just rub it on their tummy after the vaccines. And of course there were specific cod liver oil brands that were promoted for this purpose. The reason cod liver oil is they were looking for something with vitamin A and it has a lot and it was the best form. I don't know. They're always these sort of like very tenuous arguments about like, well, here's why this, over all the other ways you could get this vitamin.

This is why I chose cod liver oil. So where does that leave us now? Because we've talked a lot about like, there is a precedent for this. In fake medicine circles, there has been this idea that while vaccines in their minds are bad, there is something you could do to sort of save yourself if you've already committed the sin of getting a vaccine. You can reverse the vaccine in these ways. Joining the fray recently, the reason this is made headlines is Dr. Carrie Medej, who, you know, DOs get enough crap

without her having to add to the stuff that they'll get. I saw every article kept referring to her as the osteopath and I thought, man, all my osteopathic friends must be going, come on. Yeah. So she- I feel that way whenever they have gamers on lawn order, I can fully understand. There are plenty of MDs who do ridiculous, dangerous,

bad stuff too, but they don't refer to us as alipaths. And they're not like, you know what I mean? I feel it anyway. The point is she came out with her own detox bath that you can use, like you can get in a bathtub and put these substances in it. After you get your COVID vaccines to fix all the damage that she would claim

the COVID vaccines have done to you. So basically you draw a bath and you add some Epson salts and baking soda because that will remove all the radiation. Perfect. You know, that we all know. You didn't even need to say it, we all know. You need the bentonite clay in there to remove the toxins. Okay, good.

What toxins? The toxins. The toxins. Just in the toxins. You know deep down in your heart without even having to read about it, the toxins. And of course, the thing that made headlines, Borax, to remove the nanotechnology that is inside you. That's what the Borax is for, by the way, is for the nanotech. Yeah, this is what the Borax is for. I just played my wife's sound. I don't think I added it in my soundboard,

but it's my wife. Like, you know. Not Borax, Borax. Now to be fair. Wait a minute, let me try this. I mean, this will work. My wife. Yeah, that might work.

Okay. Rachel, I was not. Yes, that is where I need to use her precious time is to add on my wife. Because Borax. Because Borax. Borax because borax, it sounds like porax. To be fair, all the other stuff is harmless, right? Like, I mean, if you put a little bit of baking soda, Epsom salts, then tonight clay,

something in your bath. Sounds like, you know, give me a Danielle steel on it. Sounds like we got a nice relaxing evening there. A couple candles. I mean, we've talked before about people eating clay and that can cause some problems. But generally speaking, you put a little bit of this stuff in your bathtub. It's not going to do harm. The borax is the issue. So again, in very small amounts, and not even very small. And I don't wanna say moderate amounts. Borax is a fairly benign substance, generally speaking. Okay, I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna miss state.

I always wanna be on the, you know, I always feel like it's important to be honest. Like this is not a deadly poison that you can't touch at all. It sounds scary. It does sound scary. Borax is a scary and it's like, but so is hydrox. And those aren't dangerous. But larger amounts of borax is true.

That's very true. It does sound like a cleaning product though. Larger amounts. It's a fascinating history there. If someone's ever pivots and is about cookies, this is a fascinating history. All cookies. Do you know why they're called Oreos? Go ahead, Justin.

No one does. Sleep tight. Nobody knows why they're called Oreos? Go ahead, Justin. No one does. Sleep tight. Nobody knows why they're called Oreos. So in small amounts, it's likely not harmful, but in larger amounts, it can definitely cause skin irritation. It's always worse for kids. The amounts that are needed to do damage are lower for kids. So if we're talking about kids getting vaccines and then being exposed to more acts, that's even worse. It's obviously it's bad if you inhaler and just it, especially in kids again. There is like an amount that you could eat if you wanted that wouldn't kill you, but there is also an amount that would harm you. So don't eat it, you don't need to eat it, it doesn't do anything.

That's the big thing. It can cause harm while it is less likely than other substances to cause harm. It could and it absolutely will not help you in any way whatsoever, period. Like it will not do anything to help you whether you bathe in it or whatever. Because you can't remove a vaccine in a bath of anything,

not just a COVID vaccine. You can't, well, how could you wash off a vaccine? I don't know. I mean, think about that. It's not my idea. Well, I'm just saying like, really think about that. I don't know of a bath you could get in that would remove the vaccine

and that's it's like a bath of acid and you're just, and then, you're dead. Cool. Well, happy Halloween, I guess. I don't know. Well, there's not a bath that you could take that would remove a vaccine, which again, you wouldn't want to do.

You have to eaters before. It's just nonsense. It's just such nonsense. It's beyond a lot of the nonsense that I just told you. At least there was some sort of vague collection of ideas, right? To support it. This has zero, this has zero,

so this is just, I don't know, getting a bath of stuff and it'll make the vaccine go, I don't even know how you make money off that idea. I guess you just get popular and then you get to talk to other people who have bad ideas, I don't know. This is utter nonsense and you don't need to remove vaccines

because they are safe and effective, they save lives. And whether you're getting them by choice or because of a mandate, which by the way is still a choice, I think is important to remember. Now, sitting in the notes here that you've written to yourself, you have some rather harsh profanity in this section, which is still, you say, which is still effing choice, that was that to remind you to be super angry about that. That's because I was angry when I was typing out my notes. Okay, fair enough.

It was a good thing. It was a good thing that you got the vaccine. It's a good thing. Vaccines are good. There are other charlatans out there who are selling nonsense, not just bats, to detox you from the COVID vaccine, but you can find if you start looking, I did it for you, so I would recommend

you don't, because it'll just make you angry. You can find a lot of books on the subject of like, first of all, avoiding the vaccine, but then moreover, like, okay, so you got the vaccine. Here's what to do about it now. Summer, older, and refer more to things like autism, summer newer, and are specifically aimed at the COVID vaccine. There was one I found that was called reversing the side effects of the COVID-19 vaccine, Colin, how to heal yourself from adverse reactions to the Trump vaccine and protect yourself from shedding. Shed it. Um, I thought that was wild because it was, they call it the Trump vaccine and I started to wonder who is this for? Yeah, who is this for?

I don't know. I don't know who this is for. Um, it tells you to drink a lot of juice. Like basically it's just, it just recommends juicing like juice, avoid processed foods and GMOs get a lot of fresh air and sunlight. And also it, it says if you're a pre-vaticant to Catholic, then you'll probably be better. Perfect, yeah, but that's like... That's how you reverse a vaccine.

Who isn't that applicable to? There's another one, shot detox. Detox your body from vaccinations. Do you know how many of the way? Flu shots, even yours after taking them. You're a lapsed Catholic. Do you understand to non-cabbit people how wild the phrase pre-Vetican to sound? You understand that sounds like,

that sounds like a thalacism is your HC. It's just like, well, I don't really recognize after, you know, that season of Catholicism is not really canonical. I was raised in post, like in the Vatican II of Catholic world, so like the mass was, I mean, it just was a way to sort of modernize the church. And if you're not familiar, I don't know.

I don't know if we need to, like the mass of my parents was in Latin, the mass that I attended was in the language I suppose. My interest in having this discussion on top of the current discussion is less than nil. I'm just saying that was, that's what that is. I just wanted to side swipe Catholicism real quick and then move on. I'm just saying that that was that's what that I just wanted to sideswip Catholicism real quick. And then move on.

I'm going to tell my parents on you. Luckily, I'm I hail from the impunable Southern Baptist tradition. Unimpunable never any problems there. This this other book was from 2017, but they do add like updated. This will work for COVID. Don't worry. All this stuff we said will work for all these other vaccines. Here's all I'll say. It works exactly as well. I'm going to come in as it does for the other stuff. I can endorse that fully.

And it's just mainly like herbal stuff. Essential oils that usual. There's a, I found a spray. You can get a homeopathic vaccine detox spray. I don't know, I didn't look at the ingredients, I have to assume it's water, but you can spray that and it will detox your body from vaccines. That's available for just, I mean, it's 15 bucks for an ounce, that's a steal. It can't say. It sounds like a good fat. It sounds like a great value.

And then there was, I found this other vaccine detoxification plan that I just really, I enjoyed reading through all of the, let's see, you have to eat a healthy organic diet and avoid toxins like fragrances and fabric softners, avoid any candles except for beeswax candles, avoid car exhaust, no medicines, and then there's a whole list of supplements that I'm sure you can buy there that you make a paste out of and like just put over the injection site. Perfect.

To draw it out, I suppose. I don't know. If all this is making you feel sad and hopeless, don't let it, because here is what I thought about. As I was reading all of this, I thought, oh, this is so sad. And then I thought, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. All these people who peddle all of this

pseudoscience and misinformation are usually, usually, after attention and money, right? Like, that's really their end game. Yes, there are true believers who really think that they found the secret treatment or care for something, but most of the time it's about attention and money. If the attention and money is no longer in trying to convince you to avoid the vaccines. If the attention and money is in convincing people who have already gotten the vaccine to do whatever their silly advice is to try to detox themselves, then maybe that's an

indicator of how many people are getting vaccinated. Maybe we should look at it in a positive way. You can't make that much money or get that much attention screaming about how bad vaccines are anymore because so many more people are going to get vaccinated than will resist it. And I try to remind myself that that's the truth is the people who are anti-vax are a very, very loud minority. And depending on where you live and Justin and I can empathize very strongly with us, that may be a larger minority.

But still, more people have been and will get vaccinated than won't. And you did the right thing. And obviously all this, all of this detox stuff is complete nonsense. And it shouldn't, wouldn't work and wouldn't need to anyway, because all the vaccine did was tell your immune system how to defend you against a deadly virus that has already taken so many lives. So you protected yourself, you protected other people. I mean, there's a part of me that feels like if there are people out there who will, you know,

rub some paste on their arm and feel better about it, at least they got vaccinated in the first place. But I can't think that way, because I'm a scientist. And again, at the end of the day, just get the vaccine, because it's safe and effective. Yeah, please. Please, you're protecting yourself

and you're protecting other people and you're helping us move back to a time where those of us with young children could leave the house. No, we don't. Or people who were immunocompromised, you know, we would all like to go engage with society again. If you're looking for something you can do in addition to just getting the vaccine and telling people that you know to get

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