Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Birds

Episode Date: September 2, 2015

This week on Sawbones, it's Part One of our series of putting pet-centric illness on BLAST. This week, live from Seattle, we finally give birds their due. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

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All right, time is about to books. One, two, one, two, a paper. I'm Sydney Macrioy. Alright, fine. That's how it's gonna be, Seattle. You can just go if you can. I'll come get you later. Yeah, you say that now, but when you're trying to do a fart joke later and it doesn't land, you'll be so happy that I'm here. That's fair.

I depend on you solely for the fart jokes in our show. I was gonna wear a t-shirt tonight that said, Dr. Fart, to really highlight the fact that Fart is the worst word I can say on solvents. What you really put to the test during live shows, we haven't failed once, so. No, wait, it's all on you, really. Yeah, well, that's fair. There are a lot of you.

When you came in tonight, did you think about how many of you there were and think, wow, there are a lot of you. When you came in tonight, did you think about how many of you there were and think, wow, there are a lot of us here, huh? There are so many. We're going to make them a little uncomfortable, I think, without many of us there are. I'm not complaining, but it's great to be in. Some of you wanted to sleep. If some of you want to go, it's fine.

Of course not. We're so happy to be in Seattle. It's beautiful here. Yeah. You're just pulling the easy one. Just to name Seattle in the middle of the year. We have seen the part where you drive in from Portland and we saw the part between here and the hotel. And all of it.

That was about like a six minute part. Six minute part, but it was primo. If that is a vertical slice that is representative of the rest of your city, choice. Choice city. And as we drove in every few minutes, we had Justin looking out the window going, the space needle. It's there, the space needle. Okay. There it is, the space needle. Okay.

Yes, we're all, yes. We see we're all good. Yeah, okay. This is accurate. But we also had Sydney as we were driving in past a body of water, wake her sister up. She was listening to music, wake her sister Riley up and say, hey look water. Riley takes her headphones out. It's like, what? And Siddy said, water. And I said later we were giving her a crap about it. She said, well, it was.

It was really pretty. Okay. She didn't say pretty. Pretty water. Look, pretty water. That would have been great. I could have enjoyed an aquavista. I can enjoy a pretty water, but it's just water. Anyway, Seattle's great. I know a lot about the town and

oh you do. Yeah, what do you know? What? Proof-ins? What? I think it wants you to prove it. Proof-ins. Proof-ins? What? I think he wants you to prove it. Proof-ins? Right. Um, grace and anime. The most accurate medical show ever made, obviously. Uh, yeah, Riley is a big fan of grace and anime, and she said, yeah, I said, so you're kind

of an expert in Seattle. She said, yeah, if you need a neurosurgeon, I know just the one to get. Not anymore. Not anymore, apparently. They're all that. Yeah, that's all I know about Seattle. About you said you're such an expert? Well, I know one thing about Seattle.

Hit me. I know that Robert Stroud is from Seattle. And he stroud heads in the house? Shout out. What? Who's his Robert Stroud? I hope not. Do you know who that is?

No, who is that? The Birdman of Alcatraz. It's from Seattle? Yeah. What's his deal? So the Birdman of Alcatraz, I'm sure everybody already knows this obviously because he's from Seattle. Everybody knows this story.

It was born in 1890. He ran away from Seattle and moved to Alaska after a while. That's why he went wrong. Yeah, exactly. He never left, because at that point he became a Pimp. And there was a bartender who either owed him some money. I think that's the real story. He really owed him some money, and so he killed him.

And so he went to jail. He went to prison. 12 years at McNeil Island. And that's where he was initially, except he was a total jerk and everybody hated him. And he was really rude to everybody. He contrasted like the cool, super nice criminals at the prison.

I'm assuming there are some. On the orange is the new black. There are lots of nice, very nice. They're all nice. They're all like super nice. But he was like a big jerk and he assaulted people. And so after a while, they were like, forget this guy. We're gonna send him to 11 Worth.

And. I bet that's how the meaning to Warden, listen, we've talked a lot, me and the other guards, and forget this guy. We're sending him to 11 Worth. We're sending him to middle of the earth. And he got there and it got worse because he actually, he killed a guard there.

Oh man. So it got even worse. That's like one of the top things you can't do at prison. Bad and shivers. Something to I know are bad. So they end up putting him in solitary for life. Okay. Not just solitary, like he's in total isolation.

This guy sees nobody. He was almost put to death, but Woodrow Wilson saved him. And so he was allowed to live, but he had to live completely alone. And one day, he was out in the prison yard, and he found three sparrows that were like little babies and didn't have their mom, and we're going to die. And so he took them in and nursed them back to health. And he became like obsessed with studying birds after this.

So they just, like, he had like two conjoining cells. I don't know how you get that deal. I don't know how long you have to be in jail before you get two. But he had two. And they let him just keep like keeping birds and nursing them back to health. So like over the course of his stay there he nurse like 300 birds back to health and he would study them and learn their physiology and he actually like published two books about birds from jail. So he published

diseases of canaries and then later Straub's Digest on the diseases of birds which are like used sometimes, like reference books about birds. But eventually the guards and all the staff there just got really sick of having to deal with all the like the male exchange he had like his own secretary basically because he would like mail out copies of his book. Why was he sending him a carrier pigeon? Funny joke. You feel you if I had been here? Nobody was at that. You feel good about that? I didn't answer. I was drinking. So I didn't answer.

So anyway, after that, he was sent to Alcatraz because they were sick of dealing with his birds and he didn't get to work with birds anymore. But it's really interesting because there's a lot of information we know about birds specifically canaries, if you have an interest in canaries, that come from the Birdman of Alcatraz. Did he break out? No. God. What a loss to Batman.

Can you imagine how bum Batman was when that fooled in and break out? Because he's like on the edge, right? He's like, I mean, he calls the Birdman. Like, it's right there. It is just, he's just a villain. Like, we can get clock king, but the Birdman of Alcatraz can't get it together to get out. Yeah.

Why did you tell me that? Why did you tell me any of that? Well, I want to talk about bird diseases, and I thought that would be a good end. I thought that would be a good end. OK. Oh! Oh!

Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Okay. Well, tell me about bird disease. Okay. So, I don't know if you felt this way growing up, but my mom and I used to be my dad, like adults in general, kind of made me scared of birds, like birds are dirty. Don't touch them. Stay away from birds. Like you would see like a dead bird on the sidewalk and they'd be like, go get away, get away. And I always had this impression, like birds are really dirty. Don't touch them. Stay away from birds. Like you would see like a dead bird on the sidewalk and they'd be like go get away get away And I always had this impression like birds are really dirty. I don't know why I don't know how they get so dirty

They're gross. They're in the air. Yeah, that's true. All the time. I don't know how you get dirty I think it's because they poop everywhere people hate that That's true think about it in your day-to-day life you've probably seen equal number of pigeons and squirrels, early as we do at home. I see pigeon poop all the time. I've never identified anything as a squirrel poop. I don't think a squirrel is dirty. They're just like my pigeon friends on the ground with fuzzy tails that don't poop. But even with this, I think a lot of us have this idea that like birds poop all the time and so maybe they're kind of gross. We've constantly pooping all the time.

All the time. They do, they do actually. They do for all the time. But people have been keeping birds as pets for a really long time. I just don't even imagine what about their whole thing makes people want to have them living with them. In ancient China, they kept pheasants. The Egyptians had whole zoos, and that included tons of birds,

that they would keep. The Greeks were big fans of parrots, the Romans liked mocking birds. In general, any bird that you could teach to say something was always very popular, because then it could be like a party. Like before you had a TV, you would just have a bird. It would talk. So everybody would sit around and watch the bird talk.

Oh. Thrilling time. Throughout medieval times, parents especially were popular because you could teach them like prayers and stuff and like have them demonstrate your piety. I'm sure that's what Jesus intended when he wrote it. Someday I hope these are voiced by vocabulary, the parent. Vocabulary. If you don't like it's vocabulary but his name is Larry. His name is Larry but the show is called vocabulary. It's on First. And he identifies objects for your kid. For your kid they learn about the objects.

We could sing the theme song. No, it's okay. No, it's okay. No, it's okay. No, it's okay. No, it's okay. Charlie, is that swinging up and down? Okay, when I point at you guys, you have to say Larry.

Yeah, I really. Larry, Larry. When I point at you guys, say Larry. Larry, when I point you guys, say Larry. Okay, who's that swinging up and down? Larry. Join him as he has some fun. Larry. Look at Larry, he's so bright. Larry.

Learns new words and gets him right. Larry. That was good, guys. Now we can play this episode to our baby and she's gonna love it. She'll like 30 seconds of it. Finally, you guys are on some good stuff. Listen, I've never liked anything you guys have done, but this will cab you Larry Vane here in the middle.

I think you struck gold there. Now, once Canaries were discovered, they kind of took over as everybody's favorite, like, I don't know, display pet, especially like upper-class ladies would have Canaries and like greet you at the door with them on their fingers. Like, hello, come into the parlor, this is my Canary. And like, that would be the the thing, is that you're very fine very fine your hair looks great your dress is on point and you got a canary Here is the only acceptable response to that This is not a party you want to be at

What's weird to me is that so canaries were popular to greet people in dinner parties or they were also used in minds. Oh yeah, yeah. You would send them. You would have in the mind. Less a plan. Yeah, not so adorable. If you're keeping it to see the canaries dead, we got to leave.

There's gas in here. That's not very... No, but like you feel it more. I guess you want to be attached because you want people to be alarmed when they see the dead canary. If not, if I'm like the dead canary then that dies and I go, eh, well... When some lose some, back to mining. Now, there are a lot of diseases specifically that we link with birds, things that we think about. It's one of those things in med school, we call them like the Clang Association. It's like, you hear this thing in a question and you know immediately, like, oh, this is

the answer. That's what they're shooting for. So, like, if somebody in a question on a board exam has pigeons, they've got cryptococcus. Like, we know that instantly, like, oh, okay, well, I already have them right, I can just write that down. So like, you know. If they have pigeons, what? Like people who like hang out with pigeons a lot.

Okay, oh, you mean like that lady in Home Alone, the only person who's ever done that? If you're a brinda fricker from Home Alone too, then you probably have that disease Sidney mentioned earlier. You know her name. Yeah, I know her name. You just had that information there? I know her name, but I can't remember the disease

that you mentioned 20 seconds ago. It's a good nogging. I miss my calling as a physician. The medicines, the medicines, that ask you make my, for the mouth. So, CryptoCoccus is associated with pigeon poop. It's something you can get from pigeon poop. You actually like, if the droppings get dried and dusty and arousalized and you breathe

it in, which is pretty gross. It can be a pretty serious infection. You can get pneumonia or it can infect your central nervous system And so it's not I mean, I don't want to say it's common But when we think of bird related diseases, it's probably the first thing a lot of people think of who think about these things And so I started reading about it because I was like oh, there's got to be a lot of really interesting stuff about cryptococcus And if you're talking from like a biology standpoint, there are all these papers written about Cryptococcus.

And they call it like a peach of a fungus that Cryptococcus, because it was first found in fermented peach juice. Do you get that, Joe? They think it's a pretty good one. It's a peach of a fungus. I want to make that, guys. Got him again, Gerald.

It's another great goof. But unfortunately, it's not that interesting. We didn't figure it out that long ago. And it's in pigeon poop. So stay away from pigeon poop, and that's pretty much it. So I don't have a, I kept looking for something interesting. So other than that, it's a peach of a fungus. That's all I got. Which I appreciated.

I liked that. If I were at some sort of medical conference and they were like, this is entitled a peach of a fungus. You know, I'd snicker. So just to recap, you won't listen to my other podcasts. But a peach of a fungus is a pretty cuckoo. Right on. You're lucky I'm here.

I'm just saying you're proving, oh, time and time again. You're really lucky I'm here. You've just never been to some of these conferences. No, I'm sure you need a laugh. I'm not, no, no. I won't be a grudge for that. Another disease you can get from birds. So everybody owns a bird right now.

I was like, what? I don't want to know what it is. This is, I should mention, this is part of a series we're doing. This is for the Pacific Northwest tour, we're putting pets on blast. . . . Last night it was everybody that owned a snake.

Tonight it's everybody that owns a bird. We're not putting you on blast, we're letting you know that the threat is just inside the cage. We're putting your birds on blast. The birds on blast, I've had it easy long enough. Excluding, of course, the coal mine thing, which we're very sorry

about. So there's another, another, another carrier pigeons we made them extinct, but other than that, all pets on blast, all we can. So another thing that we may, or another another problem, histoplasmosis, is one that hits kind of close to home for us, for me, because we have it where we're from, less Virginia. And the Ohio River Valley, and the Mississippi River Valley, you see lots of his deplosmosis, this is something I've seen before. And it's another thing that can come from bird poop,

and you inhale it. And it, like a lot of us could have inhaled it from time to time, but it really only targets people who sleep tight. Oh, it'll get scarier later, just wait. from time to time, but it really only targets people who... Yeah, why don't you try? Oh, it'll get scarier later, just wait. This one really only affects people who have compromised immune system, so you might not know. What's interesting about Histo is King Tut.

What it... Like, okay, can you connect those two for me? I was helping you that. It's a piece of a fun. I'm starting to come around honestly. It's getting fun every time. So in 1922, when King Tut's tomb was opened, and everybody kind of like went in and explored it.

Some of the original team that first went in started to die of some kind of respiratory illness and they called it like the Pharaoh's curse and it was like, oh, it's because you went in and disturbed his tomb and now you're dying because of a curse. And it may have actually been histo. So it actually would have been lingering the entire time? Mm-hmm. Just living there, waiting. actually been Histo. So it actually would have been lingering the entire time? Mm-hmm. Just living there, waiting.

So the cursing wasn't that far off, really? Like they were kind of right. Curse by any other name, right? I mean, yeah, right, basically. Johnny Cash wrote a song about Histo Plasma's. One of his lesser known hits on the ceiling. Beans for breakfast, they talk about histo. Oh, I thought it was a bird named Sue. Also, at first, when you said the sentence, I was still processing it, and I thought you

said Johnny Cage. I was a weird few minutes. Bob Dylan also had histoplasmosis. Had or wrote a song about? No, just had it. Oh, just had it. OK. Just had it. Yeah.

But I think that my favorite bird disease to talk about is that everybody has their own, right? I mean, it's so contentious. You know, when you're like, my favorite bird disease and other people are mad and you lose friends, family's full bird. A lot of friends that way. Is parrot fever.

Ah! This, now this, I'm into. I thought you would like this one. Yeah, parrot heads, I know. Right, it's when you love Jimmy Buffett too much. You love Jimmy Buffett so much. You get parrot fever. Yeah. No, it's when you love Jimmy Buffett too much. You love Jimmy Buffett so much. You get a pair of fever. Yeah.

No, it's not really that. Are you sure? I mean, I have. Now, to be fair, can we set the record straight? Like, I had a pair of fever first. And you caught it from me. I did catch a terminal case of a pair of fever from you. That's true. I just want to clarify that.

You guys be careful with J.B. Because I liked him ironically and first. And then I just had this, I woke up at like 4 a.m. and I'm morning, I was like, fence to the left. Fence to the right. Oh my God, I'm deep, I'm too deep in. I didn't know how to get out. I got to him.

Parent fever. So parent fever also called citacosis. Which is a wasting disease, right? As in wasted away again and finally. That was a peach of a joke. That's my favorite joke that you've ever told. Tell me about other jizzies. So, Citicosis, which comes from the word, citacos, which is...

Somebody just share for citacosis. We first started hearing descriptions of something like this, and like as early as the late 1800s, but we finally named it in 1895, but it took us a long time to figure out what caused it. We knew there was something that you got from birds that made you from parrots that made you really sick, but we didn't know what it was. And it's really, it's a bacterial infection. You can get fevers, chills, you can get pneumonia. There's more serious complications that you usually don't get.

But again, it's the same thing as our other bird-related illnesses. You get it from inhaling dried poop from, you know, birds. Why are you even doing that? I don't know, so stop that. You can get it from parrots, but you can get it from a lot of other birds, like parakeets, macaws, cockatiels. You can also get it from chickens and turkeys,

but it's pretty rare, and it's completely treatable. Good, good, good. And we know that now, but we didn't know that in 1929 when there was an epidemic of parrot fever. Whoa, that sounds like my house every July and August. So I think this is the most interesting bird illness story for me. In 1929, there was a shipment of birds from Brazil to Argentina that arrived there to be sold

on the tropical bird market to people who like birds. And when they got there, they knew right away that they were sick. All these birds were sick. But the bird dealers, I guess, were not like upstanding citizens. So they sold them anyway. Because they wanted to unload this creative, sick birds, and not have to keep them. And so they didn't tell anybody that the birds were sick. And they sold them, and they actually kind of like made their way out to 12 different countries before this was figured out.

It started, the epidemic started with an actor who was playing some sort of pirate role. And so he had a parrot on stage all the time. And his parrot got sick and died, and then he started getting sick. And everybody got freaked out, because then soon after that, like 100 people in this community all got sick.

And they all hang out with the parrot? Well, they all hung out with a parrot, some sort of parrot. Well, they all hung out with a parrot. Some sort of parrot. Okay, got it. Wait, how did this happen only at once? Did somebody show up with like a shipment of parrots? I said that. Yes, there was a shipment of parrots from Brazil.

Sorry, I was listening to son of a son of a sailor in my head. So all these people are getting sick in Argentina from parrots, from something. Well, from something. They're all sick. There's something bird related. Nobody knows why. But meanwhile, it's like outbreak.

The birds have traveled. The birds have already made it to other countries. And nobody else knows about this. So in the US, where the epidemic really, that's what we're going to talk about, really heats up, Simon this. So in the US where the epidemic really, that's what we're gonna talk about, really heats up, Simon Martin, who was the secretary of the Annapolis Chamber of Commerce, decided to buy his wife a parrot for Christmas,

which was actually like a really common present at that time period, like this is something. She put in a giant hairdo, right? I've heard about this. No, what? No. Well, ladies would have big hairstyles, and they'd put birds into them.

I saw it in a book. Sure. So he's going to give her a hair parrot, a parrot for her hair. And he doesn't want her to know about it ahead of time. So he asks his daughter and son-in-law, hey, will you keep? Man, that's a big favor. Will you keep this parrot for the next two weeks until Christmas?

Because I got it early, and I don't want my wife to know. So hold on to this parrot. So they do, and they keep the parrot, and the parrot is getting sicker and sicker throughout the weeks before Christmas. And it's pretty obvious. And so he gives it to her on Christmas day, and it actually dies that same day, like right after he gives it to her on Christmas day and it actually dies that same day like right after he gives it to her

Mary Christmas Which is a rough Christmas battle and people forget the batteries for toys they get me. This is like way worse So so the parrot dies which is bad enough, but then the the daughter and the son-in-law they start to get sick and But then the daughter and the son-in-law, they start to get sick. And they don't put it together right away. Because it's like Christmas, it's cold out, it's winter. A lot of people are getting cold, flu, pneumonia, looking kind of things.

So it doesn't occur to anybody at first. But there's a local doctor who actually takes care of them who had heard about what was going on in Argentina, who had read a news story about this bird outbreak in Argentina and goes, oh, I wonder if they were around a parrot. And so he questions them, and of course, they were around a parrot.

And so this guy freaks out. And he notifies the US Public Health Service. He gets the health departments of both the city and the state. He gets the National.S. Public Health Service, he gets the health departments of both the city and the state, he gets the National Health Service, he gets the Army and the Navy involved. And the entire government basically descends on a nappiness to investigate these two cases maybe of what this Argentinian parrot fever that nobody understands. So they're wondering why parrots are extinct in America, this is why. of what this Argentinian parrot fever that nobody understands. Is wondering why parrots are extinct in America?

This is why. That's not true. Yeah, this guy to think. Everybody gets involved, and the media actually gets involved. Somebody calls the media and lets them know. And then this just becomes this big frenzy. So you have people announcing on a public stage

like representatives of the National Health Service and everything who are going out and saying, listen, what I want you to do is choke your parrot to death. Just real quickly so that it doesn't give you this awful parrot fever. They start advising sailors who have parrots because I'll say say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say, they wouldn't, they kept flying back around. Eventually he had to punch the parent in the face like a Harry in the Henderson's. Like, it just wouldn't go.

So sad. Wait, are you sure? I said, things were good. What did I do wrong? Poor parents, haven't they been through enough? People are abandoning their parents left and right and and all these stories They're popping up because there there were a lot of Christmas parents the people got their Christmas hair parents And so people are either banning them or their or the parents may have actually been sick and die and so they're shipping them all to Washington

So Washington's getting flooded with all these dead Christmas parents And and everybody's basically freaking out. There's a story of like, there's a woman in Toledo who got pneumonia and supposedly she'd been around a parrot. And then there was another woman who was in Baltimore and she touched a parrot two weeks ago. And so everybody's freaking out and everybody who gets any kind of respiratory illness, which I mean again it's winter, so a lot of people. They're assuming that they were in contact or they're trying to connect them in some way to a parrot. There are lots of false alarms, there are a lot of news reports of like healthy parrots like so-and-so owns a parrot and it so far has shown no signs of

illness. So you can go visit their house I guess. Like if you're their parrot. If you miss your parrot, I just need some parry in my life. I don't care who's parrot it is. There's a doctor who starts investigating all this who's actually putting in charge of investigating and putting it all together. Dr. Charles Armstrong, and he's supposed to get all these different samples from these parrots and these sick people and go to what was called the hygienic Laboratory and study it all. Now unfortunately the Hygienic Laboratory was Hygienic

in name and that appears to be it. Well, now let's say in case we have some laymen in the audience who don't know what Hygienic means off the time. I mean, just a clean. Oh, OK, got it. Like, we're using proper precautions. It's hygienic. You're a little overwashing our hands. We're cleaning the floor.

And he even noted Dr. Armstrong said later, like, well, we couldn't be too careful, because we had to figure this out quickly. So we weren't careful, obviously. That's science. So as they're investigating this outbreak, people in the hygienic labs start getting sick. So all of these employees of the lab and all these doctors and scientists are also getting this parrot fever.

And this just adds to the panic because then everybody's freaking, because they're like, now, okay, now even the scientists who are studying this also get sick. So the good news is, as they get sick, they start to learn more about the disease. They, we've talked about this before, they study themselves, they figure out what's going on, they connect it to the parrots, they still don't know exactly,

it takes them to the end of the outbreak before they're able to isolate the bug and they're able to figure out what the citacosis that caused the whole thing, which is great. And a lot of them actually do get better, which is good. But at the end of the day, they can't go back into the hygienic lab because everybody who goes back in to try to do more studying gets sick.

It's burning down. Well, they do. Dr. McCoy. You. You. You. You. You.

You. You. You. You. You. You. I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid. I'm not going to be a kid. with cyanide. They noted that people who were walking by could see birds who were in the air, who got hit with plumes

of cyanide, dropping out of the air. Because we haven't enough to the birds. But they did such a great job after they completely basically burned the place down. They did such a great job that Congress rewarded them the hygienic laboratory by renaming them the National Institute of Health. And so there's the story.

And now you know the rest of this story. Well, thank you. I feel a lot smarter now about births. In general, my advice with birds would just be like, I mean, wash your hands and don't touch bird poop. I mean, don your hands and don't touch bird poop. I mean, don't touch poop. I think that's pretty, don't touch it. And like, our poop is pretty gross too.

So like, just don't touch any poop. What do you think? There's my daughter in a nice place for you for the day. Don't touch poop. Yeah, I guess you've learned a little something. That is going to do. So thank you so much Seattle for being so cool to us here. Thank you, guys. Um.

Oh. There are, uh, we're gonna take like 15 minutes. Thank you. Wait, first thank you to Lindsay and Leo. Oh, thank Lindsay and Leo. Yes. They got us some beer and they made, uh, uh, there was the, what? The Yeti.

The Yeti. Yes, Charlie is playing with the Yadda backstage. Charlie, Charlie, I with the Yeti. Charlie love the Yeti. Right now. Thank you. So much for being here. So much for me. I mean, some blood cells and yeah, I love them. It was awesome. Thank you so much.

And thank you to all of you for coming to have fun with us and hang out with us. My brother, my brother, me will be like 15 minutes, we're just going to take a quick break. And until the next time we have a medical disorder to talk about or we get another case of a parrot fever I am Justin McRoy and I always don't drill a hole in your head you