Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Birth Control

Episode Date: September 20, 2013

Welcome to Sawbones, where Dr. Sydnee McElroy and her husband Justin McElroy take you on a whimsical tour of the dumb ways in which we've tried to fix people. This week: We keep the babies at bay. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers (http://thetaxpayers.net)

Saubones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, Tommy is about to books. One, two, one, two, three, four. We came across a pharmacy with a toy and that's lost it out. We were shot through the broken glass and had ourselves a look around.

The medicines, the medicines, the escalators, my cop, for the mouth Oh, everybody and welcome to solvones a myrtle to work of misguided medicine. I am your co-host Justin McElroy. I'm Sydney McElroy. Doctor Sydney McElroy. You know, this is one key area where you and I differ. I think if I earned my medical degree, I would never refer to myself as anything other than Dr. Justin McElroy. Well, I guess that's just where the two of us are different. I'm a little more humble. A little more humble.

You don't have to be humble. You work for it. I mean, there's, you should be, when I sign us into guest books, have we ever talked about this before? I don't think we have. Whenever I sign us into guest books at weddings, oh yeah, this is true. Or less frequently funerals.

I always sign it, doctors Justin and Sydney McElroy, because I figure you're round up. No. I mean, that's not how that works. I figure you're round up. I just think it creates an artificial wall between you and somebody else if you insist on introducing yourself as doctor. It also like sets a lot of expectations that I don't know if I'm ready to live up to or not. That's fair.

Dr. Sidney Munger. Sidney, it's a lot of baggage. I can't deal with these babies. They're overrunning the house. I'm sorry, Justin. Dylan! Navella, get down from there. I really wish we hadn't named so many, Navella.

There's literally 30 babies in this room alone. Yeah. I can't. There's a least 85 in the room next door. We are home is overrun with babies. None of which babies everywhere. No, they're crawling all over the furniture. They're pooping places. One bit me. I got it. When they bite you with those baby teeth that they have, because babies have teeth. Baby small teeth. They're 20.

They're more from Probiscus. That's no one. Probiscus. Baby so I have that no. Babies have Probiscus. No, no. No. I love all these children.

No, not a thing. None of which are ours, but I love all these children. No, not a thing. None of which are ours, but I love them. But if we have a single more baby, one more baby, this house will implode from the just adorability of nothing else. I think you're right. We've got Naveyes and Aden's and Bradens and Jaden's and Karen's.

They're everywhere. And they're just, they're hanging from the top of every bookshelf, which is dangerous, why are they up there? Babies get down. They get down from there. No, well, let us get you down from there. They're crawling all over the floor. You can hardly walk in this house anymore.

The cats are terrified. Their object prominence is terrible. Constantly forget that Justin is here, and then he's terrified of them all over again. Right, because they're just sitting there. What are they doing? I don't think we should feed them. We can't have a single... none of these babies are ours, but I can't have another baby in the house. 50,000 babies is enough. 50,000 is enough. The hit movie. The hit film.

It's the futuristic sequel that Aida's enough. Can you get egg rolls? Is that what that's called? Dick Van Patten was a cyber tenement with 50,000 children of his own creation. The Brady Bunch and everybody else in Huntington. But I want to keep from having baby said, I know that there is no solution to this problem currently. That's right.

There is absolutely no way to stop you from wait. So one on one on do is I want to go back through the years, through history, through the annals of time and talk about how other people have done it. Maybe I can find something that I can try. Well, okay, if we're gonna do this, I think we should go way way back. Let's get in the way back machine. Okay. Let's go way way back Somebody accused us of stealing the way back from machine from stuff you should know Rocky and Bullwinkle my friend. Yeah, like take it. Oh, I did yeah. No, I was stealing that totally from Rocky and Bullwinkle The way back machine the way back machine guys right P body anybody. I didn't mean to steal from anybody else

No, me neither although I'm honored for the comparison Thank you so much. Thank you. Listen to stuff you know. Yeah, it's awesome So as far back as like if you would Justin do you have any Egyptian papyruses papyri papi Yeah, yeah, here's one. Excellent. I'm so glad you had that in your bookshelf of video game books. People laughed at me. So if you would look through there, if you would scroll down, you may find,

put up on this scroll down. Oh god. Scroll down the papyrus? That is not what I meant. Happily. You may find that as far back as, you know, ancient Egypt, women were trying to figure out how can I bone down without getting preggers. This has kind of been a, like, a human quest.

And at the time, they didn't have any good ideas. So they thought, you know what, I know that something happens after intercourse, and then I get pregnant. So maybe if I just put something inside my vagina that will block everything, and what have I got? I've got some honey, I've got some occasionally, I've got some lint, just kind of make a big like mass out of that and, you know, put it up there. That was the

first idea. In case you haven't got it, we will be talking about human genitalia pretty thoroughly. And if you'll pardon the pun in depth. So if you're sensitive to that, or you have little ones, you know, I really don't think you should be hiding that or you have little ones, you know, I really don't think you should be hiding this from them, but what am I? I'm gonna tell you how to parent. And if you hadn't gathered that we'd be talking about this,

we did mention that it was a contraception episode. So come on people, really? Back off. Okay, so I put papyrus up there. So basically like a dam, sort of basically. Yes, I think a damn is a fair way. Damn against the river sperm. That's right.

And I mean, you could also kind of create like a pessery, like something that you would permanently insert inside your vagina that could be made of a caccia gum, or you could just like block what they knew there was an opening to the womb up there somewhere. And so you could like they would mix together this paste of hunting and sodium bicarbon like apply it up there. And those were kind of the nicer things that they actually advocated. The worst thing I came across is that you could make one of these devices out of crocodile dung. could make one of these devices out of crocodile dung. Uh, L-Darrel. It's me, it's Melissa, I'm sorry to bother your work. Listen, I'm really

worried about Torlene. Ah, I just checked in your drawer, and all of our crocodile dung is somehow gone missing. So maybe she has a perfectly good use for it. I don't know, but I think you need to talk to your daughter. I don't know where you were going with that. I was really concerned. Don't worry, baby. You're on the SS jokes. I'm going to pile this into calm waters. There was, that was a weird metaphor. No, it was mixed. It was mixed. It was mixed. It was a weird metaphor. It was mixed. It was mixed. It was mixed. It was a mixed

metaphor. Crocodile Dung, huh? Uh-huh. I suppose it's thick, pasty. I don't, this is gross. I don't know. I don't know what crocodile dung is like. I've never encountered it myself. Actually, as I discovered in middle school, another great contraception is watching Crocodile Dundee. That never worked for me with the ladies, so you can try that too, maybe. That really foiled your efforts to reproduce when you were in middle school. I said the fact.

You were really ready to become a dad. That's normal. Never mind. Or, you know, they did know. I will give them some credit before we talk about some more weird stuff, because you know, that's I will I will give them some credit before we talk about some more weird stuff because you know That's what we're gonna do I will give them credit for the fact that they recognize even that far back that if you were breastfeeding

Your previous baby that you could avoid becoming pregnant longer and because of the kind of hormonal Millue that you know is invoked by breastfeeding. No, that's fascinating. I mean, because they would have no, I mean, no, from the reference for that at all, right? I think it's observation. Just sort of, it's seen that applied in the wild. The women breastfeeding tend to not to get pregnant. Yeah, so, so I mean, women would breastfeed for years and years in an attempt to try to avoid, and that's not 100%.

I'm not saying that it is, but they did notice that you were less likely to become pregnant while you were breastfeeding. What's next? So the first condoms were created in 3000 BC. They were made from everything from fish bladders to animal intestines, linen sheets. Does it seem effective? Animal intestines, linen sheets. Does it seem effective? And at the time, I mean, they understood, even before we really knew about sperm or eggs, we understood the idea that something in the sex act led to babies. And so maybe if we can block the stuff that comes out of the guy. Maybe we could prevent pregnancy.

I mean, again, a lot of this, it's kind of impressive that we ever came up with the idea of condoms because we really didn't understand the idea of procreation. Sure, yeah, I mean, absolutely. I mean, if you look back biblically, it was advised to use the pullout method.

The old pull and prey. As they call it. Did you call it that? No. And I never called it that. I hope they didn't call it that in the Bible either. Because that would be messed up. Pull it. It's the old.

Pull and pray to the guy in that other chapter. Yeah. It's the pull and call me. Call me God. That's what I would suggest. It's funny because it's actually referenced and when O'Nan is having sex with his brother's wife tomorrow. So, like, that's a good time to use the whole pull-out method, I suppose.

I mean, yeah, for sure. Pull out and just stay out, ideally, if you would not mind doing that. That's what I would advise. Yeah, I'm no Bible. That seems like the way I would go. You know what, that is definitely true, Justin, you're no Bible. Hey, come on.

Could you add that to your Twitter profile? Hey, I'm no Bible. In ancient Greece, they started to get into the idea that maybe there were things you could take into your body, like medicines that you could use to prevent pregnancy. And they discovered a plant called sylphium, taken to your body like medicines that you could use to prevent pregnancy and they Discovered a plant called sylphium, which actually no longer exists Justin. Oh, so that that's out. So you have to imagine that some like archaeology botanist or botany archaeologist. What do you think? It's got to be one of the two bodyologist

No, not that. B archaeologist. Something like that discovered this plant, which was used, it obviously is not around any longer. It's kind of like a giant fennel plant. Delicious. But it was used for contraception. They observed that women who ate this or took compounds of this plant were less likely to become pregnant.

And it actually became, it was only in a tiny part of creed and it became so popular and was harvested so extensively that it became extinct. It was actually, at one point, they quoted that it was worth its weight and silver because so many people, and they tried to cultivate it at other places, and it wouldn't grow anywhere else, and eventually it was extinct. But that's how badly people didn't want to get pregnant. They made a plant extinct, so there you go, humans. I think it's interesting, Sid.

And obviously, we have a lot more things to go through here. But just this early, it's interesting that we are actually finding things that, as opposed to a lot of the topics we cover, where we come up with a cure that is really not based in anything except witchcraft, you know, superstition, anything like that. It seems like in birth control, we've got methods that while maybe not 100% effective, we're in some way, I mean, it seems like with a concrete outcome like pregnancy, we're maybe a little better about coming up with real actual solutions,

and maybe less willing to leave this one to the gods as a war. I think you're right. I think that you hit on, I think there are two aspects to that one, exactly what you said. It's a very concrete outcome, either you got pregnant or you didn't.

So you couldn't argue that it did work if you did get pregnant. I think the other part of that though is sample size How do you mean? Well, I mean if we're dealing with the plague or you know, cholera or whatever disease throughout time You know only so many people are going to get it if you're talking about pregnancy I Mean throughout history everybody's having sex, everybody's either

getting or trying not to get pregnant, so you're dealing with a much larger group of people who are trying things and so therefore your sample of people who are trying any one thing is bigger and it makes your data more real. So if something works more people are likely to try it because there are a lot more people who would be trying anything. Well we used it all the sylphium. What are we resorting to? There were a lot of other plants at that time that we began to use. Things like a relative of sylphium that didn't work quite as well called asphatida. There was quinant's lace, which we've heard of,

Willow, date palm, pomegranate, penny royal, Ardameezha, rumeur, quinant's lace is actually still used to this day in India, because it does work to some degree. And I mean, I'm not saying that any of these things necessarily worked as well as modern birth control methods, but they did recognize it worked.

They also came up with the idea of a sponge that you could insert into the vagina of wool or cotton that would absorb some of the sperm. And that actually is not a bad idea as a barrier method. Good job, humanity. In the seventh century BC, China, they came up with ways to just prevent the whole thing if you didn't want to use something externally for birth control. You could practice quotas reservatus or quotas obstructive. Okay, I'll buy it. I can kind of guess, but what are they?

Well, basically you have sex and don't ejaculate. Okay. It worked for two things. One, you didn't get pregnant, obviously. And two, you could preserve your yang. My yang? Your yang. Are you worried about preserving your yang? I have been running a little low in the yang department. Well, this is a way you could preserve it. I wouldn't think it would be that easy for men.

You just reach that plateau phase and just stay there and then you're done. Yeah. Not well, not so much if it goes impossible. This is a great period in history for women. Not so grateful man. Ideal solution for the fellas. They also did advocate that there was something called the thousand of gold contraceptive which was it was a mixture of oil and quick silver. All right Justin go to the head of the class do you remember what quick silver is? Well my dear wife that is mercury. Very good you could heat take it orally once and induce sterility. If that's what you desire. Because it's mercury.

How an extreme slush. Uh, over in India, they came up with their own ideas. So you could make a potion of palm leaf and chalk or, uh, palm leaf and chalk, and you could take that orally or you could again back to the honey. Honey was a good idea. I think people knew it was thick. It was viscous. Stuff couldn't get through it.

So you could make kind of a mixture of honey, rock salt and ghee and then place that in the vagina. And either way, that was a good idea. They actually wrote a whole, you know, I mean, in India, they wrote a lot of text devoted to the art of sex. The comma sutra, you may have heard. You can't see it, but I'm raising my eye. Yeah, he is.

It's very disturbing. I'm glad you can't see it, actually. I'm glad that you're spared this today. They also wrote other texts. The, uh, rot here, ah, ah, yasaathir-aha-yasa. Aha-saya. Can you say that better, Justin? Rathir-aha-yasa.

I could, but I don't want to embarrass you. Anyway, it was again devoted to sex. And I thought this was great to mention. It included the idea of contraception and noted some of the ideas we've mentioned as well as many, many others. But it also made sure that you knew there were four types of women. I didn't know this, so I thought I would include this.

Hit me. There is literally, I was gonna make a comical guess. I was gonna make a hilarious comical guess, but there's literally nothing I could say. That would not get me in trouble. Yeah, you're gonna get in trouble anyway, because I'm gonna tell you the four types of women and you're gonna tell me which one I am.

Oh. Okay, so there are Lotus women, Elephant women, Art women, and Kong women. Well, which one am I? Justin. women. Well, which one am I? Justin? Art? Really? Darn it. Really? Choked? I can't believe he said that. Okay, okay. Let me have to talk about it later. Not elephant. Is that? I mean, kind of say not elephant.

You know what, it's too embarrassing to do this in front of everyone, so never mind. Never mind. Well, next. And so I think it's interesting because if you look at birth control efforts in like the 1300s, the well kind of runs dry because the plague, as we know, decimated large sections of the population throughout Europe, and you see this push to repopulate the planet. So people definitely aren't looking for birth control methods, and it actually may have been the impetus of some witch hunts because midwives were often the target of witch hunts and midwives in

addition to knowing how to deliver babies often knew contraceptive methods and even ways to induce abortion. This was a time when we needed more people and so efforts to stop the birth of more people were seen as evil. So not all of the witch hunts but some could have been related to this. And this led to in the 1484 Pope Innocent, the eighth, you know what? You know what?

You picked that name for yourself, and I'm immediately suspicious. Me? On Pope Innocent. No, I'm Pope Innocent. I don't know what you're talking about. That's like Pope, that's like calling yourself Pope Cool. All right. All right, Pope Cool. All right.

All right, Pope Cool. Very fool. I know you were in those shades, but still. So what's up with Pope innocent, the eighth? He so he released all these statements against witches. And in that context, he began to rail against the idea of contraception and abortion, which is obviously a common Catholic position now against abortion and contraception for that matter. But this was some of the early origins of that kind of vocal, you know, I'm not to say

that the Catholic Church didn't always feel this way, but this is when they begin to advocate for it. I wonder if that's a whole other, I mean,, if we're still as a, you know, as militant about not we, if you, you people are still as militant about it as an offshoot of this. I mean, everything comes from somewhere, and there certainly are places, I mean, you know, you know, the origin of the idea that priests can't get married. What's that? It was to prevent some kind of like genetic monarchy within the Vatican so that it wouldn't be handed down from generation to generation. You are the Pope and then your son is the Pope and then his son is the Pope. So if you prevent priests from getting married, you can avoid that.

It's interesting. Interesting. Or you could use that. Or just have a baby that's not Catholic. Can you do that? Well, I mean, not the, not back to you. I want to raise you. I'm going to raise you to be a baby.

In the 1400s, no, you couldn't. I'm going to raise you to be a, what have you promised to raise me a Piscobalian? No, sorry. Okay, I mean, I'm just trying to help both out. In the, so in the 1500s, it should be noted that spermicide came into, came into being and this was, we already had this idea of some condoms, some like crude condoms and we soaked them in random chemicals and hopes that they would kill sperm. We neither were sperm or something.

Something in there. Something. And so we were going to kill them with chemicals. Nothing really defined per se. In the 17th and 18th century though, birth control began to be restricted because we started having lots of wars and so we needed armies and we needed men to run countries and businesses and wars. So for thinking in 18 years you're gonna to be we're going to we might need you to to You know stab somebody for us. So when we're talking about like the the you know imperial kind of like

Europe the European idea that we're going to go over and conquer other nations We need people to do that. So that's when we that's when we stopped letting people use birth control. And so we built countries and armies, and nobody was using birth control, except, of course, they were. And that's the secret history of birth control, right? Is that no matter what we say against it, people are always trying something, which led to in that same era, Casanova, who you may have heard of, who invented the first lamb skin condom. Wow. You know, you know, you called it an

assurance cat. Sure. You need, you need your assurance cap on today. Are you wearing, are you wearing your thinking cap? No, I'm wearing my assurance cap. Don't you worry. This you wearing, are you wearing your thinking cap? No, I'm wearing my assurance cap. Don't you worry. This is my, it's all cool to bargain. You just slide it on your wing long and then you can just chill. He also advocated using half a lemon to cap the cervix. Okay, not as great of an eye. Yeah, I don't know that that wouldn't be my idea of an assurance cap, but are people still using lamb skin? There are lamb skin condoms in existence. It's like a luxurious option.

It's like a luxurious option. I don't know that they're as great as, you know. It seems like a luxurious. They may be, I don't know, I wouldn't. Don't anyone else. You weirdos. I know somebody's gonna be like, lamb skin condoms are great. They're sure. They may be, I don't know, I wouldn't. Don't any of us. You weirdo's. I know somebody's gonna be like, Williams can condoms are great.

They're great. I'm allergic to latex and this is not. I'm sure they're fine. I have no problem with anything. Sure. Use something, use protection unless you want to have a baby, then go for it. What's the next, Sid?

In 1900, and as we enter into the 1900s, I should say, women began publishing their own accounts of You know, this is what works for birth control. There are condoms diaphragms were made we had rubber at this point vulcanized rubber was invented so We had good strong condoms that worked the idea of womb veils as they were called Sorry womb veils womb veils as they were called. The sire of womb veils. womb veils. We're dive frames.

We're introduced. There were some different devices made of rubber for douching. And there were some intrauterine devices, some crude ideas of what these should look like, introduced at that time. That was really when women began to say, hey, other women, I have some ways that you might not get pregnant. There was a book at the time called The Frutes of Philosophy. This was basically a birth control manual, and it was written by Charles Nolton, but Charles

Bradlow Lough and Annie Besant republished it at the time and were brought on trial for it. That's a sneaky name. The fruits of philosophy. The fruits of philosophy. Never guess. And it had a lot of different birth control methods. And women were certainly using them whether or not it was legal or or frowned upon or whatever. This stopped in the US with the Comstock Law.

Are you familiar with the Comstock Law, Justin? Uh, yes, I actually am familiar with that. Good for you. It's the one about dirty books and dirty pictures, right? Right, you couldn't, what could you not do with dirty books and dirty pictures? Distribute them. That's right.

That included birth control and literature about birth control. Good work. Humans really threw the baby out with the literal, the literal baby out with the bathwater on that one. But you know, the thing is information just keeps spreading and people can try to censor it and they can try to stop it,

but they're not gonna succeed because they're out the 20th century. Because people got, people got to get down. They got to get down and condoms began to be mass produced. I think this is kind of a great little anecdote. In 1906, an important point in this, in the history of birth control is that Cyrus McCormack,

who was the inventor of the road. No. Incorrect. That's somebody else. It's, it's, it's con road. No. Incorrect. That's somebody else. It's, it's, it's, you know, somebody else. I don't know what that is. Core Mac. I, I don't know. He, uh, Cyrus McCormack was the inventor of the mechanical

harvester and he was very, very rich. One 1906, do you know what important thing happened? Uh, Cyrus McCormack invented the mechanical armistice. No, you already done that. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Why does this matter to this talk? Why would you think I know what a dude is diagnosed with schizophrenia? I'm going to tell you why this matter.

I don't know what my dad got diabetes. What I know what Cyrus McCormick got schizophrenia. You're your dad listens to this show and he's going to be heartbroken. Dad, you just stop eating sweet stuff. Please, it's not eating popcorn. You have diverticulitis. That's a myth, but we'll cover that some other time. Go on.

His wife in response to his diagnosis with schizophrenia, decided to start funding birth control efforts and they were rich. So they had the means to do so because she wanted to know how she could prevent passing along illnesses to her children. This is important because her efforts to fund birth control probably helped the invention of the oral contraceptive pill many many years later. Fantastic. Yeah. So throughout this time period, the first

silicon IUD was made of silk was invented. In 1916 Margaret Sanger opened her first birth control clinic. It was closed 10 days later. Yeah, good shot Margaret. But she reopened it. And in 1921, she founded the American birth control league, which is now known as planned parenthood. Wow. And this was trumping efforts at the time, like throughout World War One, where they were just saying, well, just don't have sex. Hey, GIs abroad, just don't have sex. Don't do it.

Abstinence is the way to go. That's worked ever. That, yes, that's the best. That's the Bethmet. No, it's not. It's terrible. I mean, it is the best. Well, okay, it is the best.

It just nobody's doing it. Yeah, right. And I should note that at the same time, okay, it is the best. It's just nobody's doing it. Yeah, right. And I should note that at the same time, 1921 was a big year. Sanger founded the American Birth Control League and Marie Stopes in the UK opened the UK's first birth control clinic. There actually was a lot to stay open and function and help many women. And this is the time when the whole idea of birth control became a movement. Previously to this, it had been known as either family limitation,

which is basically you have as many kids as you want, and then you and your husband decide that one of you is going to become sterile in some way. You flip a coin. I don't know. I don't know how you decide that. But it's a joint effort, and somebody's going to become sterile. So it's not birth control. You're not, it's not a temporary thing. It's a permanent removal of the ability to have a kid or the other idea that was popular

was voluntary motherhood. What? What's that? So the idea was that previously you could only be an involuntary mother. You were kind of at the mercy of your body. So to give women back ownership of their bodies, they were told to only have sex when you want kids. Well, okay.

So basically, the way you were a voluntary mother is just don't have sex until you want a kids. And once you're done having kids, don't have any more sex. That seems like a pretty good way to have a lot of kids. Well, exactly. I mean, that's what's so revolutionary about the life.

Gosh, you know, you know, I'm looking around. I know we have seven. I know each one of them eats a single potato every night for dinner. I really think- They're eating too many carbs. They're carbs. There's too many carbs.

Need to lean them up a little bit. What better way than with another delightful mouth to feed? Come here, you handsome woman. Because all women then were handsome. Yeah. Right. No, that's what's so revolutionary about the idea of birth control. Even that term is that we were saying women have control over their bodies, over their ability to reproduce. And at the same time, we were separating sex from procreation, which as you can imagine, ruffled many feathers. Yes, I would imagine so, because it acknowledges sex for pleasure.

Right, and at the time, the only things that were acceptable were either abstinence, as I mentioned, or the rhythm method, which was not well understood then it's but much better understood now, but wasn't then And then the only other alternative you had was a lysol disinfectant, which was a hugely popular in the 1930s It doesn't work. It's not a good idea. I guess you'll smell like lysol afterwards. I'm assuming that's an off label use of Yes, I wouldn't use lice all for that. All right, said real quick, take me on a whirlwind tour of the last 50 years or so in birth control. Well, things really started getting good in the last 50 years.

So in the 1950s, John Rock and Gregory Pinkis with the funding from Cyrus McCormick's wife, Miss McCormick, I don't know her first name. Invented oral contraceptive pills. In the 70s, the pill was having a lot of side effects, so they kind of reformulated it. A lower dose version was introduced and it was much better for women.

Also in the 60s and 70s, laws all over the world began expanding birth control to everybody. So in the 60s and 70s laws all over the world began expanding birth control to everybody. So in the US, the landmark case is Griswold versus Connecticut where they said, you can have birth control, you can't ban it. It's a marital right. If you want to do it, it's your business,

it's private, you know, take your pill. Yeah, that's fascinating. Something that we take for granted so much like that is so recently a right. That. Justin, if we could do a whole show about the way that you men have tried to legislate my body throughout history, I don't make any. I didn't do anything.

You do men. IUDs were introduced in that same time period. After that in the 80s and 90s, we saw the invention of the estrogen patch, the new ver ring, maybe you want an implantable birth control device and injection like the, you know, depar purvera or perhaps you want to take a lower dose estrogen pill so you don't have side effects. In 1998, we saw Plan B. Emergency contraception was first introduced and then in the 2000s, the female condom.

And now we have studies as recently as 2010 that say the pill may actually lead to living longer because of avoidance of some other other diseases while you're on the pill. And a hundred million women around the world are using it, at least, if not more. Well, you and me, I'm glad we got this all sorted out. I feel pretty, pretty good about us. It's really an interesting, it's an interesting history because women knew they wanted control over their bodies for, you know, thousands of years. How can I engage in this activity, which I enjoy, and which my husband or lover

or whatever friend enjoys as well? But, you know, have, have kids, what I want to have kids. It's a, it's an incredible fight and we've come a long way Congratulations Sydney baby Congratulations women. Thank you, and I'd like to mention that September 26th. Do you know what that is Justin? No idea world contraceptive day, so take some pills so on no wait day. So take some pills. So on no wait. Take a pill. Don't well, I mean, men, women, whatever. Hold on. Try the pill that day. No, no. Don't. Okay. No, on September 26th, we're all gonna have to say, if you're on the pill, certainly continue. If you wish to take it. But in general, on September 26th, why don't we all take a moment? Pop one. Lower our heads.

But in general on September 26th, why don't we all take a moment? Pop one. Lower our heads, close our eyes, and say thank you to all those who came before us with their crocodile dung and their assurance caps and their honey and their occasion and taught us how to not have babies until we were ready. We appreciate them so much. And of course, we appreciate you at home,

our friends who continue to listen to the show, support it, share with friends. You can use the, the solbona's hashtag, sorry, not hashtag, but just an app. You know, the app reply on Twitter. If we get hashtags, we get hashtag. Yeah, now that we're at solbons, by the way, we are at solbons. Now that we're at solbons, you can just tweet using that.

Tweet at solbons, tweet at Justin McAroy. And she's at Sydney McAroy, S-Y-D-N-E-E. Sid, tell me about some of the people who have reviewed our show on iTunes. So we've got Scorpio J-A.J.S. C.Rib, Co.C.O.C. L.Pift, JD photo one, zombie bunny, H. Groober, Siphere, I think. Thank you. Siphere. Siphere? Siphere? Siphere? Oh. Siphere. Thank you, Mike. My name is G138.

I don't. Sarah Peep. Dylan T. Dwarthay. Taco Anthony. Bexanudu, Rice Rabbits, Brental Floss. Thank you, everyone. Zoey back, everybody. Thank you so much for reviewing the show.

That really, that really helps us out a lot. And I read every single one, and I love you all. And yeah, please, it means the world to us. I was gonna thank the listener that suggested this show to us, but it was my brother Travis McElroy. But thank you, Travis. We appreciate it. Travis and I, along with our youngest brother, Griffin, make a show called My Brother and My Brother.

Me is one of the mini shows on Maximum Fun. And I love it. Thanks, Sid. Judge John Hodgeman, Jordan Jesse Goe, Bullseye. One bad mother, I could go on. Throwing shade. Throwing shade, oh, throwing shade, fantastic stuff. It's all waiting for you at Maximumfund.org.

You can also find our forums there. We can discuss our latest show. We also have a Facebook page. We do Facebook.com. Ford slash Saul Bones show. You can get there. Many of you kids are still on Facebook. They go like us there.

When I say thank you to Metro, the UK publication, they gave us a very kind recommendation in their podcasting section. Yeah, that was super nice. Rahul Vermuth, so thank you so much for that. And really made our day. Yeah, that was a delight. And thank you to you, you at home, listening. Make sure you join us again next Friday for Sabo and talk to us in McRoy. I'm Sydney McRoy. There's always don't draw a hole in your head. Alright!

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