Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Bleach

Episode Date: May 4, 2019

This week on Sawbones, an unnerving look into the upsettingly modern invention of ingesting bleach for medicinal uses. Content warning: This episode includes descriptions of "therapies" that are being used primarily on children and other vulnerable populations. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Just a quick content warning before we get started this week on sub-oins. We're going to be talking about some current disturbing therapies quote unquote therapies that are being used primarily on children and other vulnerable populations. So if that's something that you would find distressing, this may be an episode that you want to skip. Sob bones is a show about medical history and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. be an episode that you want to skip. and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books.

One, two, one, two, they've all got. I'm not a sense the smell let my cop for the mouth. Wow. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Saul Bones, a metal tour of Biscayton Medicine. I am your co-host Justin McAroy. I'm Sydney McAroy. And Sydney, I am not necessarily looking forward to this episode. No, I have to say so generally we stick to history.

Although, I mean, we dabble in the modern. But whenever I get a lot of tweets and emails and Facebook page notifications about a topic, even if it's more modern, I feel like it at least needs to be looked into. And this is in the last few weeks, I got, well, not the last few weeks, been like the last two, maybe weeks. I got a lot of, I had a lot of listeners reaching out and saying, you need to talk about this. And while this seems like an obvious thing that is bad and everybody should avoid, I think it's worth discussing because this treatment, and I hesitate to use the word treatment

because it is not a treatment for anything, it does not treat anything. So the... I understand it will use things like treatment or therapy in this episode, it's with a pretty big air quotes. It's a legit treatment. All right. It's being used by a lot of people currently.

And it is not there. So far, it does not seem to be an end in sight to at least some people continuing to follow this protocol. So I think it is worth discussing some of the, so to kind of unravel some of the language that is used around this, some of the science, so that if you hear someone talking about it, you, you know exactly why it's such a bad idea. And why the things that they're saying, the people who sell this stuff are lying. So we're going to talk about bleach medicine.

Okay. Now the first thing I'm gonna say is that people who push these supposed treatments will tell you, oh, we'll see, the media doesn't understand. It's not bleach, they're lying to you. Either they're lying or they just don't understand the science. If they understood the science, they wouldn't be saying

this stuff. When they tell you that these medicines we're talking about are bleach, they're lying or they just don't understand the science. If they understood the science, they wouldn't be saying this stuff. When they tell you that these medicines we're talking about are bleach, they're not bleach. So they're lying. So now you can't buy anything that the media says. And there is a truth to that as far as what they're saying, it is not bleach. And I want to get into exactly what they're saying so that you can understand why they are still being dishonest just indirectly. So Justin, when you think of bleach, what like what do you assume? I mean, if I say bleach, chlorox bleach. Do you know that I don't mean to be smart to find people at chlorox. I'm sure that they just want to get a lot of like whites, whiter and color spider, but. Chloroxin no way endorses this.

Yes. Just a clear. No, I think that they would be happy that the word bleach is synonymous with their brand. Right. Because that means that's what you think of when you want to go buy bleach, but certainly not with this.

But no, no. Thank medical practice. Bleaches the name we give anything that whitens or lightens or clean stains. Bleaches not actually a single chemical, which is a common misconception. It's used to me. Bleaches is a single thing.

Now, there are multiple substances that can bleach something. Okay. So bleach is probably more accurately to think of it as the verb like bleach? Yes, but then things that fulfill that are bleach? Are bleaches. This is a bleach. Yes. A bleach is probably a better, usually indefinite article is probably more helpful here. But we tend to though, I

mean, I would say most people say like, this is bleach. This is bleach. Yeah. Today bleach. Because we started out using things like lactic acid or li to bleach things. Those were the early, and it was largely to whiten things, to remove the color from something, or remove stains from it.

That was the original intention of these bleaches. Chlorine bleach, which is what, I think a lot of us associate with bleach, a chlorine-based bleach, was first discovered in 1774, and then in 1785, there was a French scientist Claude Bertholette, who recognized that it could be used to bleach fabrics.

And from there, he also discovered sodium hypochlorite, which is like the first, that was the first commercial like here's a bottle of leech you can buy and use it to you know get your whites wider and they's called javelle water. It was the borough in Paris where they first made it. It was 1820 when another French chemist, La Baroque discovered that you could disinfect things with bleach. So it was beyond just, you know,

making something lighter. You could also clean things with it. And he started popularizing it for this use and this spread very quickly to the medical practice. The idea that, I mean, yes, it's great for cleaning your countertops. Fantastic, but hey, maybe we could clean medical instruments. Maybe we could start using dilute solutions to wash our hands or watch wash our examining tables, whatever. The idea that you could start cleaning hospitals

to improve conditions with bleach spread pretty quickly. Also, any place that dealt with animal products like slaughterhouses became a very popular place to start using the substance. And that kind of goes, we're in the same sort of era as civil wise. Right, like figuring out that there's a connection between Yes. Hygiene and

health. As it's spread, exact same kind of time period where we're starting to figure this stuff out. The reason, by the way, that bleach does this, it's just it's bad for organic things, living things. Very layman's way of putting it. Yes, it just destroys proteins. So, they're good disinfectants because they work against a lot of different organic things. As opposed to taking an antibiotic, which is targeted to some extent, although there are a broader spectrum, they work in different ways.

So this is why it was such an effective thing. It just, it kind of killed everything. And when I say organic compounds, organic, you know, organisms, organic, organic organisms. Okay. People too can be harmed by ble- Living stuff.

If you ingest it, certainly enough of it. We started using bleach, like I said, to disinfect things. The bleach solutions were used, like I said, in hospitals and industrial uses, we used them in pools. You know that, right? Lauren.

Yes, I know. Now, sodium hypoch use them in pools, you know, you know that right? Right? Yes, I do. Now, sodium hypochlorite in particular did have a couple medical applications beyond just for like non-living objects that you want to clean. We've talked about before, Daken's solution. Sounds familiar. Do you remember that Henry Daken made a very dilute solution using sodium hypochloride back during World War I, and it was a way to clean wounds.

And it is still used to this day. To complete? It's a good solution. It's the strongest is about 0.5% that was, and that was the strongest that was felt to be both effective in killing the stuff you want it to kill and not causing a lot of damage to the surrounding tissue. Because that's the problem, right?

If you just took straight up, non-deluded bleach and dumped it on a wound, you would kill bacteria that might be there. Right. Right. But also you would damage the human that's there. Bad. As well. Bad.

And that's the truth. And I betting that point five solution stings. Oh man, I bet hurts so bad. I don't. Whenever people put something on things, though, in the hospital. Yeah. What about a movie? You know, like in movies, there are people put stuff on something and they go, ah, bad stuff. Yeah, no about a movie? You know, like in movies there are people put stuff on something they go

But it's that stuff. Yeah, no, no because in movies when people are just like dumping things on wounds It's usually like vodka or something right? It's usually like they grab a bottle of liquor and dump it on the wound Dake in solution by the way is never ingested ever no It's so so we did figure out that we could use this kind of bleaching solution, a bleach, for a medical purpose on a human body, but it was purely topical. It is not just outside, which, me, topical is in on the skin, not topical like current. Like, did you hear the news about how everybody's drinking bleach? Did you hear about Dakin and his bleach? There is another thing we need to talk about chlorine dioxide.

This is a gas, but it can also like exist as a dilute liquid, like a solution. It can be in a solution. And this particular bleach gene product, this particular bleach, can be used for wood pulp, textiles, beeswax. It has these like industrial, specific industrial applications. And when you start talking to the proponents of these fake treatments, they use all these different words to try to, like, to try to combat

the truth of what they're doing. So what they'll tell you is that the, we're gonna get into miracle mineral supplements, MMS, that the MMS they sell is not bleach and everybody's lying when they tell you that it is. They're right in that it is not bleach because when you buy their MMS, you have to buy an activator and the activator turns the MMS into bleach. So the chlorine dioxide that results is absolutely a bleach. So you are going to be ingesting bleach.

It's just not, when they say, oh, everybody says it's like household bleach, well, it's not. Well, that's true. It's not household bleach. It's a different bleach, and it doesn't happen until you buy their other thing and turn it into that. Right. So that is just to kind of unwind the lies that they tell. Because they'll say, well, that's not true.

That's absolutely not true. And it is. It is. So who thinks you should drink bleach? Nobody Jim humble does my mistake. So I should have guessed that in hindsight, that there would be somebody. It, it feels like an odd thing that you have to say, like, don't drink bleach. I don't feel like there was ever a time in my life where I didn't know not to drink.

Well, there was probably a time in your very early years. Yeah, but like that was an early, from my earliest memories, your, your parents are like, don't get in that cabinet. There's bleach in there. That could hurt you. Don't drink that. Don't drink that bleach. Okay, you got in the cabinet fine, but don't drink the bleach. Jim Humble is, he is the founder of the Genesis to church of health and healing.

And I usually, you know, on the show, we try to be very sensitive to diverse belief systems and faiths. He is, it is very clear on the Genesis 2 website that they, that this is not, a religion does not have to believe in a higher power. A religion can just be dedicated to health. So their religion is health. I still don't believe that though. I don't I'm not going to sit here and get into the semantics of the word religion, but that is this is not a church in the sense that they practice some sort of faith that you would identify. Like they don't, they're not Christian, they're not, they're not any of the major world religions

that I could, that I could unravel. They do quote the Bible sometimes on their website because I kept thinking like, is this, is this some sort of non-denominational Christian faith? I couldn't find that connection at all. They say very clearly that they, their religion is in health and humans. Samuel Jackson quotes the Bible in pulp fiction,

but he's not a church. Think about it. So they are not, they are not, they are not associated with any world religion that I could find. Their primary activity is to go fix the world through the use of this miracle mineral supplement MMS.

Now as to how humble came up with it, he has this, he tells lots of stories that he was an aerospace engineer, that he worked on the atomic bomb, that he worked on a lunar module. He does not have a degree in engineering. But they were like. So I don't know that his background is very questionable. As to what exactly he did and what his job was and what kind of education or training he might have to come up with anything like this. And a lot of people have done good research and digging and like journalists have

uncovered this stuff through the years because this is, I mean, he's been around for, hmm, like since at least since 2008, he was being investigated. I think this probably even predates this like 2004 Okay, so he's been around for a while and so people have been looking into his lies for a while More recently he is said that he is a billion-year-old god from the Andromeda galaxy And that is it is probably equally hard to quantify And double-check that information. That's right. I don't know how you he proved it almost And that is probably equally hard to quantify and double check that information.

That's right, I don't know how you prove that. And almost, how do you disprove that? You know, it's funny and a sense, and this may be a stretch, but you could almost call the other stuff that he said into question a little bit more because he claimed to be a million year old God from the Andromeda Galaxy. I found on one website, because a lot of people have looked into this, because he claimed to be a million year old God for me in drama galaxy.

I found on one website, because a lot of people have looked into this, have looked into this and this guy, that he was a former Scientologist, but I only found it on one website. Oh my God. So I couldn't make that tie. I don't know.

He may have been, I don't know. But anyway, so he claims to be this God who is here to take care of us, protect us. He's like the doctor. He's like the doctor, except he sucks. I mean, he's hurting people. Also, the doctor's not a God. I didn't mean to insinuate that the doctors are God.

Obviously, the doctor's not a God. I know, a city there is. non canonical works that. Uh, so he discovered the miracle of his, uh, mineral supplement while he was in South America. He was with a prospecting team looking for minerals. I mean, or was he right? Oh, well, I mean, this is his origins. In accordance to legend. According to legend, one of his colleagues got what he caused the most deadly form of malaria. I assume. Supermallaria.

I just assumed Falsett Brom is what he's referencing. And he said that it was the variety that kills within hours if no medical intervention is possible. That's not, I mean, hours from what, from your mosquito bite, because no, but anyway. So one way or another, somebody got malaria, which is, I mean, bad malaria, we have talked about malaria before, it's bad. And he knew that it was going to be too late for them to get this person to proper medical treatment, like they were going to die before they could get them taken care of.

So he gave him some of his water purification drops, which was just some sodium chloride, some bleaching solution in water. You know, they were water purification droplets, which is, this is all perfectly reasonable. But he gave them to the guy and he, like, within hours, was fine, within hours. He gave him the area. I'm assuming you're saying he gave it, gave him the water purification at like two higher

of a concentrate, like, wasn't like, put into water, right? And he just said drink this. Drink the, I don't know two higher of a constant rate. I wasn't like put into water, right? I don't know. He just said drink this. Drink the, you know, how much of it he drank, but he said straight up water purification. Yes, drinks the drink these water, drink this solution of sodium chloride. Who's idea was this?

It was Jim Humbles. It was his, he was inside Africa. He was like, I've got a wild idea. South America, sorry. Yes. I've got a wild idea. Drink these water purification drops. And the guy was better.

It cured, not only did it keep him alive until he got medical treatment. He's not saying that. He's saying he cured his malaria by having him drink the bleach and then he was fine. And this is the origin story of MMS. So why are we talking about it? Why do we why do we care about this one guy who maybe or maybe not drank bleach and then his malaria was better? I have a theory, but well, it didn't stop there. I figured, yeah,

okay, that was my theory. But first, but first let's head to the Bill and Department. Let's go. Let's look jury eight in the Bill and Department before we have to talk more about the date. The medicines, the medicines that ask you let my God before the mouth. So once Jim got back to the United States, he wanted to share his miracle solution with everyone. He thought that this was probably great against malaria. That's what this was probably great against malaria. That's what it's all about. It's probably great against malaria. But what else could it treat? Who knows? I mean, it's probably endless.

Sure. We didn't see that coming that drinking bleach would help with malaria. So what else? Another great. Other things. So he formulated Miracle Mineral Supplement. It has different substances in it. It's not just one thing. And they say that it is a 22.4 solution of sodium chloride, and then there's some table salts in there.

And then they say there's some other neutral chemicals like sodium hydroxide, sodium carbonate, and sodium bicarbonate, which just on a side note, sodium hydroxide is not. I assume this is a pH thing when he says neutral, that he means a neutral pH. It is not neutral, it is very alkaline, it's very basic. So I don't even know what they, it's basic. It's very strong base. I don't know where that comes from,

but anyway, so it's a solution of all these things and you have to activate it by adding citric acid, and then you get chlorine dioxide, as we've already mentioned, in solution. And so when you hear these things, you often hear MMS slash CD. And the MMS is the miracle mineral supplement that you activate and then get CD, chlorine dioxide,

which is bleach, which is a bleach. And so if you see those two things listed together, that's why. According to their website, you can treat not just malaria, but cancer, the flu, HIV, herpes, any problems of the mouth gum teeth sciences constipation burns fungus Ebola staff infections, eczema, cold sores. They have yes anything anything anything that this is a it's dot it's this is one of those doctors don't want you to know about. Yeah bleach. So all along the treatment.

This is like, this is so classic. Like this is the most classic sort of American thing that I can come up with is that this cat finds out that if you give water purification, gunk, he accidentally cured someone's malaria with it, right? He didn't obviously not try to. No, I would say the story is probably either completely fabricated or almost completely fabricated or I mean, he did.

He did. He did suggest to someone that they drink his water purification stuff and then they're like, um, no, absolutely not. That was the thing. But anyway, he finds that. And what does he do? Does he say like, I, oh my gosh, I figured this out. I better report it to people who can study the effects.

Does he put it on the like Twitter, just like, hey, life hack, you can carry me like, no, he starts a business about it and starts trying to cure other things with it. Like, because of course, of course. The problem is exactly like you said, he doesn't do any research, there is no research on this.

There is no, it's like a lot of our Pat and Medicine salesman and women of the past, it relies on testimonials. That is largely what you will find if you start looking into evidence that this works, you'll find people who say that it works. And hey, probably don't start looking into evidence that this works, you'll find people who say that it works. And hey, probably don't start looking into evidence because I have seen Sydney cry more

researching this episode than I think any other that we have done, maybe. It's just, it's so, it's hard because I don't, I don't think I need to say this but drinking bleach drinking chlorine dioxide solutions is it's dangerous. It's toxic and so far no one has No one has been proven to die from this treatment. We do not have a proof, there was one questionable, but it sounded like it was not necessarily this.

But there are definitely reports from people who are saying it's working, and then talking about the symptoms that they're having or that their child is having as evidence that it's working, and these are symptoms of toxicity. So it is definitely harming people. It is not so far resulted in the loss of a life that we know of, that we know of, but it's so obviously harmful.

And I don't think I need to tell you that there are dozens of articles that will tell you that drinking chlorine is bad, that it's a good disinfectant, it's a good industrial cleaner. It's a good industrial cleaner. It's not good to drink. And you probably couldn't do a study on it because if you went to the institutional review board, if you went to the IRB and said, I want to do a study where I feed humans bleach and see what happens, they would probably say, no, we have so many studies that say bleach is dangerous.

No, you can't, you can't do this. So we're not going to get a study. Good, which is good. Good, that's smart. I think if it was just Jim Humble and his church, this might be limited in its scope. But you also have to, I don't want to use word credit, blame, carry Rivera for a lot of this nonsense and how far it has spread as well Carrie Rivera known as keto Carrie more and more these days because I

Think she will push whatever she can sell And you know keto is very popular. So these days she's going by keto Carrie because she has a keto diet that she Was already I think a fan of and now that it's So these days, she's going by keto carry because she has a keto diet that she was already, I think, a fan of, and now that it's very popular, she pushes that too. But she is a big proponent of what she has called dub CD therapy. It's for chlorine dioxide therapy, specifically for autism. Now she notes that this can cure a lot of other things too, but she uses this bleach therapy to focus on people with autism. And I would say that she's largely targeting the parents of

children who have been diagnosed with autism. Obviously, I'd, she would not let, I don't think she would limit it to that. She would say anybody with autism, but I feel like these tend to be more targeted at parents that they can convince to use this on a child as opposed to a person who would use it on themselves. Does that make sense? Yes. She advocates drinking the solution and when I say drinking the solution, I want to be clear. Nobody is telling people to drink the whole bottles. Because if you drank the whole bottle of either the MMS or the CD, if you drank the bottle, you would almost certainly die. They advocate using drops and they have a protocol that they tell you to follow. And it depends on what you have and what you're treating and what phase, quote unquote,

of the protocol you're in as to how many drops you take. So it may be that you're taking, you know, eight drops three times a day, or sometimes I saw some that were up to like 15 drops and it's in water, so it's even more diluted. So they're telling you to take it in a way that is less likely to kill you. But she also says, you're going to see things

like nausea, vomiting, diarrhea as a result of this. And if you ask Jim Humboldt or Kerry, or any of these people who advocate for this, they will tell you this is a sign of the detox. We always hear that with detoxes, right? Oh, yeah. If this makes you sick, it's because it's working. It'd be right. Exactly. Gosh, that's as old as medicine.

We've talked about that since the days of the four humors. If this makes you puke, if it makes you poop, then it's working. And they will tell you that it is because, according to Carrie, autism is caused by parasites and worms and bacteria and toxins and viruses. And you just name a lot of stuff because then whatever comes out, you can say, oh, it worked. None of this is true, but this is what she will tell you. And so when you have all these symptoms, you're expelling whatever it was that caused, quote unquote, caused the autism to begin with. Specifically, they focus a lot on worms that will come out in your stool, especially

after the animals of the solution. And they, you can find, I wouldn't recommend you looking for them. There are pictures where people have posted the worms, quote unquote, that they have expelled all over the internet. People love to post pictures of these. These are not worms. These are pieces of intestinal lining that have sloughed off.

That we need, I would assume, that are good for us right to have in there. I mean, we generate, yes. I mean, there is no reason for you to intentionally slough off the lining of your intestine. It will grow, I mean, your intestine does, like, it, the more will come. You didn't lose it forever. But it's, that, don't do that. Like, this is not safe. And these, these are seen as signs that, like, oh, good, you've gotten rid of the worms. So things are going to get better. But this is probably safe. And these are seen as signs that like, oh good, you've gotten rid of the worms.

So things are gonna get better, but this is probably just the toxicity. Now this is certainly the toxicity of the substance that you're either ingesting or using as an edema. She was a speaker, she promoted this what is called the autism one conference. Now she is not a current speaker, but in the past she has spoken there.

She's gotten in trouble for promoting this therapy there. But it sounds like the autism one conference from my reading of what they promote has lots of non-evidence-based therapies. Andrew Wakefield was one of their presenters. They're very anti-vax. Thevax, yeah. Yeah, so I think that there was a lot of probably

won't science at this conference, but she was so bad that I don't see her listed as being invited back. That's pretty bad, eh? Yeah. It's pretty bad, but they were like, I don't know, there's a bit much for us. She's very careful about how she pushes it now because the FDA and health Canada and the Agency for Toxic Subgencies and Disease Reg Canada and the agency for toxic substances and disease registry and the food standards agency of the UK and the National Autism Society of the

UK, as well as tons of other state and federal regulatory and medical and advocacy organizations have all come out against this. There is no scientific organization that will tell you to do this. No, obviously, of course. Anybody who's heard of it has either casually said, don't do it, or publicly made statements, or if they're like a regulatory agency has taken action to stop her from doing this.

So like she'll joke, like she can't tell you to drink chlorine dioxide. But if some happens to God. But you can find the protocols. You can go on her website and she pushes a lot of things, like books about autism cures, books about the keto diet, lots of supplements and there's something on there called mother's helper.

And these pills, among other other ingredients, their herbal ingredients also contain 140 milligrams of caffeine each. I wonder how those work. That's a lot of caffeine. It's a lot of caffeine. Like your cup of drip coffee has like 50 milligrams, I believe.

It's all very, it's very, it's very, I mean like if you're getting coffee at a coffee shop, it's higher, but anyway, 140 milligrams. There's caster oil on our website, Ketox foot bats. And then, Those are just like 400 bucks. Yes. And you can also get an hour consultation with her for $120. A deal. Do you think she would do our show? I don't want to get in quietly mumbled like this is for our podcasts, hobbons, I don't know according to the whole thing. Anyway,

let's get started. There's a great consultation. She's gotten enough time to make her case, I think, and it's all wise. She will tell you that she's quote unquote recovered is the word she uses over 500 children from autism. Yeah, right. Like seriously, that makes me so freaking angry. Like can we stop treating neurodivergence like freaking smallpox? like we need to eradicate

this plague. Oh god, I know we've said it on other episodes, but it makes me so furious. It's like bad enough that you're not only lying and ripping people off and killing people. You're also like like creating this aura around, sorry, I said yes, yes, well, the it's it's furthering the discrimination and the prejudice and the judgment and the stigma Yes, that there is one right way to be to think to behave to move through the world and that everything else is wrong and needs to be fixed. That is exactly the part of the damage of this treatment, quote unquote, treatment is not just the actual toxic physical damage.

Which does occur. A dent is real. Yes, it is real. And it's happening to everyone who is being exposed to it. And a lot of the people who are being exposed to it are children who do not have any say, who are, who, like their parents are giving the medicine. And like our kids, like when my daughter has a fever and I give her some Tylenol, she takes it

because mommy told her to take the Tylenol for her fever. And these kids are doing the same thing. Mommy's telling me to take the medicine, so I'm taking the medicine. They have no voice. They have no way to protect themselves to stop this. The parents are well meaning in that they think they are looking for help.

But what they're doing is harming their children. I mean, they're damaging their children. And these people are profiting off of convincing. And again, I'm not saying it's just parents. There are other people who go drink this bleach voluntarily. There are people who, because it has been pushed as a cure for lots of other things, especially by Jim Humble, people go to receive

what he calls the sacrament. That's how a lot of this has been protected too. It's all supposedly a religious thing with him. So you receive your sacrament of MMS and you can cure all the world's diseases that way. It's to attend his, like, there was a conference. The reason we got all these tweets about it, there's just a conference in 11 worth Washington on 420. Nice. For $450 a person or $800 a couple, you can come.

That may be the worst part. He would do this on 420. You can come and get, quote unquote, sacramental protocols. And then they will, they'll sell you that too. That's a separate charge. Of course. Of course. And they'll give you instructions on how to do it, make the chlorine dioxide and take it

and it will cure all your diseases. So it's not just being pushed on people with autism or parents of people with autism. It's being pushed on anybody who has anything. But it is dangerous and it is furthering dangerous ideas and stigmas and stereotypes and it is physically harmful to the people who are using it. Unsatisfied with harming Americans, Humble has branched out to other parts of the world. He has been selling his sacrament to victims in Uganda to cure malaria. There are videos that they've released of them convincing people in Uganda to take this treatment

and to try to cure their children who have malaria who are very sick with it. It's all very disturbing. it's all very disturbing. And they should all be stopped, because what they're doing, I don't understand how these people are still operating. How is this not? I don't know. I always feel like I understand the laws about this stuff

until I see that Keto Kerry is still out there selling stuff. She's walking the earth freely, convincing parents to feed their children bleach. And the reason I think it's worth talking about is because she is still operating. Her website is still up. You can still buy stuff. You can still, the consultations, the reason she does that way is then she can tell you privately how to do the protocols. Because if you publish it too much, then she gets in trouble. So she just privately one on one tells you how much bleach to drink. And Jim Humble is holding

another seminar, what he calls them this summer, August 17th and 18th in Eden, New York. I guess the location is to be decided, but he's not stopping, he's not done. And there is no science for any of this, none of this works, none of this does anything. It is harmful. The next time somebody tells you about it, I hope this has armed you with enough scientific information

to explain why it's totally, it's totally fraudulent, absolutely no basis in any kind of medical or scientific evidence. It's, yeah. I mean, it's, sitting almost didn't want to do this one because it's like, it just is so much. Like what do we. This is the only outlet that we sort of have for this sort of thing. Like I'm a Sydney I guess can independently tell her patients not to drink bleach, but that seems a trifle unnecessary and probably not the best most productive use of the time, but like this podcast is what we got.

So if you're listening to this and you're like a cop or something or like, I don't know. And I don't think any police on there can just go arrest. I'm specifically not saying that like, I don't know, anonymous, do you all take out bad websites? Can you, I'm not suggesting that you take out any bad websites like keto carry .com. Keto carry.com has a huge badge above for products that says it's like, like, it looks

like one of those seal of approval kind of things. And it says, uh, carry revier recommended like approved by, by who? By me. By me. It's good. I I'm sorry. I endorsed it. I was sorry. The worms by the way, those are often used as proof and you will see them called rope worms. This is a whole thing. The idea that there are various bleaches. One thing, but there's a whole idea behind that there are rope worms in your body that cause

all manner of disease and you can get rid of them by taking all of these different things that people will sell you. They are in test no lining. You can find them all over the internet. There's a big, there was a paper written about them. It was never published in a period of you journal. And in that paper, it says that rope worms are most likely to attack people whose blood pH is between 8 and 10.

If you don't need any, if you don't need to know any other reason why all of this is fake, and there are no such things as rope worms, and none of this is real, if your blood pH was between 8 and 10, you'd be dead for sure, 100% dead, not alive. So they don't even know basic science. But rope worms are not real, and that's a big part of this,

is will you're expeling the rope worms? No, they're not, that's not a thing. That's not, they're a worms, not rope worms. They are not real and that's a big part of this is will you're expelling the rope worms? No, they're not, that's not a thing. That's not, they're a worms, not rope worms. They're not real. That's your intestinal lining that has been shed because you drank bleach. Please stop. Please start drinking bleach. And just your minor, just reiterate, if you are somebody on the autism spectrum,

you don't need to be cured. You need to be supported and understood like frrrrksh, every other human being on the planet. Yay. But you don't need to be cured. Stop trying to cure autistic people. So that is our show for this week. Again, anonymous that website was ketocarry.com

if you could just kind of, I don't know what y'all do. And I'm not specifically saying you should do it, but if you are doing it, it is among the websites available on the internet. Is all I'm saying, or like you can report that are the better business bureau? Is that something? I mean, they've been regulated, both Jim Humble

and Carrie Rivera have been regulated. Like they've been, well, enforcement has been on them before, but I don't know what it takes to be stopped. I don't know. I got one. Where's the thing in the people get stopped? And I don't know how these people happen. Where's the net? You said the next seminar is in Eden, New York, right? Do you know the facility that it's at? No. They're not saying it's not publicly available. Well, it's not on the website.

It says TBD. It's not on the website. TBD. I mean, I think that they're probably they know that there's a decent chance they'll get shut down before then. Yeah, so I guess keep an eye out if you're in that area if you figure out That's gonna be maybe you call the The location and just say like hey, please don't put it there. It's like really whack

They're at Genesis I I church on Twitter. Oh, they don't seem to be particularly Active there. I don't know. I'm struggling here. I'm grasping at straws, trying to come up with something to do. It's just like you want to do something. I don't know what what anybody can do. I mean, if the the best thing you can do is have the knowledge that when you hear this stuff, you can say, oh no, oh, that's, let me tell you some stuff I've learned about that. Those people are trying to rip you off. They're trying to trick you and they're fraudulent. And here's some stuff I know. Don't fall into that trap. That I think that that's maybe the best thing people can do. If people won't buy it, they can't sell it. And then nobody gets hurt.

Folks, that's that is actually going to be our show for this week. Thank you so much for listening. If you could rate and review our show, we don't tell people to drink bleach. So that's one huge thing in our favor. We almost kind of tell them not to our wild thing that we're on. We'll get back to history next week, but now we've all been armed with the information to hopefully stop this. We have most of ridiculous of fake treatments.

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