Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones Classic: Sunburns

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

As folks in the northern hemisphere get back into the swing of summer we here at Sawbones thought it'd be a good time to reshare a classic episode about sunburns to help you get your D in the safest way possible. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers https://taxpayers.bandcamp.com/ Lambda Legal: https://lambdalegal.org/ Help support this show and unlock bonus content! Become a member at https://maximumfun.org/joinsawbones

Hey, everybody. I hope you're staying cool or staying indoors. If you're anywhere near where I live, you've got some pretty extreme temperatures this week. And, you know, I was looking at an episode we did 11 years ago now, if you can believe that, all about sunburns. If you know, my family's history with skin cancer, you know, it's a really important topic to us. And I thought maybe, you know, a good time to revisit it. And, you know, summer just kicked off. and something to keep in mind. So here is that episode. Hope you enjoy it and hope you stay cool. Thanks. Sawbones is a show about medical history and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion.

It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. you're worth it

everybody welcome to sawbones marital tour of misguided medicine I'm your co-host Justin McElroy and I'm Sydney Macroy Sydney what's wrong I'm just I mean I don't know I don't want to talk about it I don't want to I don't want to hurt your feelings

go on go on and say it everybody else on the internet said it you might as well say it too I just you know last week's episode it was I mean it seemed to be really popular yeah a lot of people really like really liked it and said really nice things. And I'm not saying that they don't say that about our show

when you're on it. Well, in fiction, I was on it, to be fair. I was just in the body of a 14-year-old girl. Right. Sure. Uh-huh. That was the case. I'm just saying that when it's you in your own body with your own voice, people aren't necessarily as, I don't mean they don't like it. They're just not as, like, enthusiastic about our show. I'm going to be honest, especially for the start of the show, and we're like married and we should be supportive and stuff. That was a pretty sick burn. There's a lot of burning going on right now.

Well, you know what could have helped you with that burn? What, Sydney? If you would have worn sunscreen. Wow. Wow. That's like a double burn on, I guess. Is it? On both of us, I guess. If you're asking medically, if that was a double burn, that's not a thing. There's second degree burns, but there's not a double burn. I know there's not a double burn. Okay. Sunscreen. Fine.

Sydney, I've got a double burn. Okay, this, okay, fine. Intro over. We're talking about sunburns. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. It's all right. It's a really good posy start to the show.

I'm really into it. I am glad that you're back. I did miss you. And I love you. And our child is glad you're back. And even Riley is glad you're back. Probably. I think, so thanks to the people who suggested this topic.

And here it is. No more need to. Denegrade Justin. Well, I'll tell you who the people are you suggested this episode. Let's not just thank them in general. Let's name them. Yeah. All right.

Thank you. I'm not going to help you. I'm not going to help at you. You're not going to help at all? I'm too angry. All right. Thank you to Jackson and Tina and Anthony and Nicholas for suggesting some variety of this topic. I included you all because you suggested either sunburns or sunscreen or sun tanning.

And we're just going to talk about it all because it's summer. Summer time. Yay. Which is great, except for in the summer, everybody forgets that they haven't been outside all year long. Right. You're so happy to get out there and get that D. And the first thing they do is go outside and hang out in the sun all day and get sunburned. And that's a big problem.

So I think we should talk about it. Sounds good. See, it hit me. Okay. So it's been known for a while that there is a link between skin damage and sun exposure. We didn't really understand it. We just knew that, you know, if you were out in the sun and the heat for a long time, sometimes it hurt. You know, your skin hurt.

Got it. It got red and it would peel off. But we thought it had something to do with the heat mainly. Yeah, that makes sense. Your skin feels hot afterwards, so that adds up. That tracks for me. Exactly. And we didn't really understand anything else about the sun other than that it was bright and there was heat.

And then, of course, like we liked the sun because a lot of cultures, ancient cultures, especially, would worship the sun. Right. So it, you know, and we didn't understand anything about like UV rays or anything. That wasn't until like the 1800s when we figured out like ultraviolet light and the spectrum of light and like that there are things like rays from the sun that that hurt us that have nothing to do with like the heat itself. So how did sort of ancient cultures sort of adapt to this? It's interesting because as you kind of go through history, people will, would come up with ways to protect themselves from the sun to varying degrees, kind of based on what, a lot of it was based on what was considered beautiful. So for a long time, pale skin was kind of the ideal.

You wouldn't want to look like you spend a lot of time outside. And a lot of that had to do with just the connotation that if you did have a tan or if you were, certainly if you were burnt and you spend a lot of time outside, then you're a laborer. Okay. And so the upper classes would be inside. And so they wouldn't have tans. Soft hands. Soft hands makes it for a cool guy or lady. Soft hands makes for a cool guy. Or lady, as they say.

Who says that? It's an old saying from the olden times. I have never heard that. Well, it's translated loosely from hieroglyphs. So hieroglyphics. So you're a cool guy? Did you make that up? I have rough hands.

I've been building a swing set all day for Charlie. So I have rough laborers hands. Justin has developed rough laborers hands in one day from building a swing set. So, Sidney, how was I handled in Egypt? Since they felt that pale skin was the ideal, they would try to protect their self from the sun, knowing that it did. I mean, they recognized there was a color change in their skin after being out in the sun. So they would lighten their skin with like myr and frankincense and actually even dye it sometimes with like a yellow ochre that you would rub into your skin and would make it appear paler. They also use a kind of ancient sunscreen, which was made of jasmine and rice.

And there was actually in the rice brand, there is a chemical that absorbs UV light and can help restore damage DNA. So there actually was some, like, logic to it. Drought, your cell phone, make delicious treats when toasted and added to marshmallow. What can't rice do? Rice is the closest we have to a cure-all. if you are a phone or you are skin or you are hungry no but also if you're not if you're trying to limit your carbohydrates don't no no don't so then bad then not rice not good um in greece they also attempted to kind of protect themselves from the sun specifically you know we i always always picture like the ancient olympics and there are all these i mean they were men it was men i say men just because only men were allowed to participate and uh they were all like doing their athletics and they were naked. Like, you know that right.

I'm not making it up. Right. That's not new. Yeah. Like they did their naked Olympics. And they were all oiled up. Mm-hmm. That's like true. They would rub olive oil all over themselves.

For the sun damage. Yes, to protect themselves from the sun. Does that work? No. No. I mean, somewhat, but no. It's probably better than nothing. And at the very least you'll end up delicious.

Yes. Better than nothing. And your skin would be great. I mean, like that, you know, moisturizing and, And good for your skin. But all in all, is that like your ideal sunscreen? Is that what you want to use today?

No. No. But it does give us the image of all these like hunky, Greek, athletic dudes. Yeah. Oiled up. I'm ready to move home anymore. Throwing discuses. Disgai, I think.

Throwing dis guy. The Native Americans also had their own version of sunscreen. You, well, actually, their own version of treating a sunburn. You could mix Himlock with deer fat. and that would help treat your sunburn if it was too late if you already had one. You could also try plantains. Oh, just to eat them or? Well, no, like mash them up and put it on your skin.

Topical plantains. Although, on that note, you should try plantains if you have. Yeah, I mean, if you have it, they're delicious. They're really yummy. Yeah. This and many other food recommendations right here on Sava's, a medical history show. I'm just saying plantains are delicious. They are.

They're not like bananas, though. Don't be confused. Don't just eat one. Don't just eat one. I think it's going to be banana-esque because it's not. I mean, you'll know right away they're much harder to peel. Sure. You know, if it's a banana and you're having a hard time peeling, it's probably a plantain.

Should we talk about how to fix plantains or? Or maybe move on to like the next thing you want to talk about. Either way, I'm like good. Okay. Well, I just, I really like plantains. Yeah. I mean, do you have plantain chips? Fry them up?

Who boy. Mash plantains? I could go on like the bubble gum of plantains. if you'd like, or we could move on to the next, like thing. For a long time, like I said, avoiding a tan was important because, you know, then you were showing off that you didn't have to labor out in the sun. And specifically, women were supposed to be, you know, fair-skinned as a mark of beauty. So, like, for instance, Europe during the Middle Ages, women would cover themselves up, you know,

like wimples that, like, women would wear, like, over their heads. Okay. Like the little, like, cloths. sewn their head, like nuns wear. Got it. Except the, you know, like old, olden times ladies would wear over their heads and it protect you from the sun so that you could kind of stay pale, which was associated with more money.

In Japan, they would actually use like some white powders to even lighten their skin. I know this isn't really sun, but just kind of the idea that the pale skin was somewhat beautiful. They would use these powders to lighten their skin, which is not a good idea. Don't use leather, mercury-based powders. in China it was even like a recommendation like ancient beauty recommendation that you should wear like dark blue clothing because it would highlight your skin like it would make it look paler oh does that work I don't know which is a fashion question I guess yeah I don't know well I guess contrast yeah sure yeah high contrast to provide a contrast um so anyway fair was in and I only mentioned this just because I think that as we're moving forward you're going to agree with me that that's not necessarily still the trend. But there we spend...

Well, it vacillates. I feel like pale has its moment sometimes. I'm going to make a case for that. Okay. Yeah. And then, and then, so fair skin is in. It's the beauty ideal. Everybody's trying to protect themselves.

We don't really know how. Except for, as we move forward, we start to see, like, the use of sunlight to treat things. So the idea that maybe sunlight is good for you starts to become commonplace. So the best example being tuberculosis, we talked a lot. it. We did a whole show on tuberculosis. And if you remember, because we had no idea what to do for it, we would, like, sit TB patients out in the sun. They'd just sit here in the sun. Dry them out. This is probably good for you. Well, there was, like, the dry climate thing,

but just like sun in general, we thought. And I mean, I guess that's nice. Like, if we're not going to cure your TB, you can at least spend some time in the sun. Teacher D. Just toast out there. Well, there was. That was another, you mentioned vitamin D, but that was something else we started to discover was the link between sunlight and vitamin D and lack of vitamin D and rickets. And so then we started thinking like, well, maybe the sun isn't all that bad. Maybe it's not this negative thing that hurts your skin. It's got a bum rap all these years. Right. But the beauty thing still held a lot of people back from spending time out in the sun because, you know, if you wanted to look fancy, you were pale. Right. Until after the Industrial

Revolution. What happened then? It's in? Well, that's when people started, that was when leisure time was invented. Before that everybody worked and then we invented leisure. Well, that's really true. There really were like, I mean, yeah, through a lot of human history, I mean, think about it.

Like, for most of human history, we've been just trying to survive, man. Yeah. Like hunt and gather. Stay alive so that future generations could invent leisure. Exactly. So after the Industrial Revolution,

there could be really rich people who would say like, I have all this time on my hands and I don't have work to do what should i do and somebody was like i don't know be leisurely i appreciate the gesture past generations i really do i know i give you guys a hard time but i really enjoyed leisure now so thank you for that thank you for inventing leisure time for inventing leisure time um and where where do you go for leisure time but the beach okay right or someone they had to figure that all out side somewhere leisure time was still in its prototype phase they tried a lot of things maybe they went to forest they went

to caves nothing and somebody are you enjoying yourself i'm not this does not feel leisurely to me No, I was just thinking the same thing. We should try the beach. So what they did, they used Corona commercials as references and said, those people look quite leisurely. This time traveling Corona ad I found in a space bottle that traveled through time and washed up on the beach has people. Why are we? Okay. So we're at the beach for no reason.

A time traveling bottle rolls up with a Corona ad in it from the future. And we're like, this is right. We should be here. I already like it here. I was like, yeah, me too. And you know what? I just have been in, uh, just a bit of Dacris. Just like that.

It was simultaneous. And also hopefully Corona. Yeah. Or that didn't come around until later. No, no, no, no, no. Definitely not using a lime in it. No, absolutely not. Um, so all these people started spending time at places like the beach and the lake.

And I think humans are drawn to water when they want to relax or just whenever. And so they started like chilling outside more. And it started to become a thing like, well, you know, if you're rich, you've got time to hang out at the water, so maybe you start to get a tan. But what really, according to what I have read, and I find this hard to believe, a lot of people link it to Coco Chanel, one incident, which this sounds apocryphal to me, but maybe it's true, that supposedly Coco Chanel was yachting, as you do, when you're Coco Chanel, off the south of France.

As you do. As you do. And she was laying out on her yacht, and she found. fell asleep. Unsafe yacht operation for anybody curious how to yacht. That is a bad start. I'm going to assume someone else was steering the yacht. Yes, I assume that Coco Chanel has her own yacht guy.

I would hope she did. I would assume it's Coco Chanel. So she's laying on her yacht. She falls asleep. She wakes up and is just sun-kissed beauty instantly. Now, why she's not burnt and why she's tan in this store? I don't know. But the story goes that she came back to the coast and walked off the yacht and instantaneously tanning became popular.

Oh, go over here. Click, click, click, click, paparazzi. And she was just like, this is intentional. I'm assuming that was more of like a flashpoint perhaps or a tipping point for tanning rather than just like her changing the whole game in one fell. I don't know. Maybe so. Possible. So at that point, tanning really started to become a mark of wealth, first of all, because you had time to be leisurely and also then beauty, especially from Coco Chanel.

And then, you know, you have to imagine that like fashion would follow that, like to show off more skin, you know, so that you could, you know, you didn't have to hide your skin and keep it untouched by the sun. You could, you could show off your tan. Now that didn't completely stop us from trying to protect ourselves. We were still trying to figure out why being out in the sun for a long time hurts us. And that was when, as far back as 1918, that's when we first linked sun exposure with cancer. And specifically, like, you know, there were UV rays coming from the sun that could cause cellular damage. So we've known this for a really long time. And as a result, people started trying to make real sunscreen.

And so what did they make it out of? Well, Justin, I'm going to tell you all about sunscreen, but before I do, why don't you come with me down to the billing department? Let's go. Okay, so people start making sunscreen, Sid. What did that look like? So first, so we go all the way back to 1878. There's a sunscreen that was made. It's got this auto veal of Australia proposed.

it and it had tannin in it, which was a substance that would stain your skin a yellowish brown color if you applied it. So it may have worked somewhat, but... But now you have to pay for that in a spray form, right? That's true. That maybe in a sense Otto invented the first spray tanon didn't realize it. Wow, he should have trademarked that. He'd be rich.

Although, I don't know a yellowish brown color. I'm not sure exactly what color you're going to end up looking. Yeah. Yeah. You may just look jaundiced. Yeah. Not great. So what other options do I have available to me?

The first sunscreen that was commercially produced was by Milton Blake in Australia in the 1920s. And that was the big seller for a long time. And a lot of these early sunscreens did work. A lot of them were actually based on the idea that you could reflect the sunrade. So they were a sunblock. probably what you would have called them. We kind of use the terms interchangeably, but what you're really talking about with any kind of sun protectant, so to speak, is are you absorbed, like, are you absorbing sun's rays

with the thing or are you reflecting the sun's rays? So when you're talking about like the zinc oxide kind of stuff that people, you know, that people put on their nose, you know what I'm talking about? Kind of like a really strong white. Yes. You're talking about like reflecting the sun's rays. Newer sunscreens, most of them kind of absorb the sun's rays is how they, is how they block the sun.

So when we're talking about the older stuff, it's mainly reflector kind of things. So you probably would have seen them on people. So they weren't as popular. Yeah, that I sense. And hard to coat yourself with. Not a great beach look. In 1946,

a Swiss inventor, Franz Geiter, made glacier cream, which sounded very fancy. It was supposed to be better, but actually had an SPF. Today we would know of about two. Okay, not great. No, this is...

Not great, France. This was before. SPFs, so he didn't know that. No. To his credit. Yeah. And in his defense, since he was unaware of them, it was very early in the process, that's like too better than none.

He would probably say, it's 200% more effective than the leading remedy, which is nothing. Now, during World War II, Benjamin Green made a new, a new substance that you could use to protect your skin from the sun. He used a red veterinary petroleum jelly, or what was called red, red veterans. pet. Hmm. That did indeed create a barrier to the sun. It was effective as a sunscreen, but you were red.

Oh, well, that's not ideal. No, no, most people... That's what you're trying to avoid. It was very practical for use, you know, like in a wartime setting, like if you're out in the sun, I wouldn't have thought much skin was exposed. Maybe their faces, you know. You got downtime out there. You get leisure time.

Leisure time. We've invented leisure time by now. So you're outside and you don't want your face to get burnt. So I guess like putting something that was completely red all over your face, petroleum jelly too, was okay. But later on he kind of adjusted the formula. He added some cocoa butter because everybody loves cocoa butter. He added some coconut oil because that smells wonderful. And lo and behold, copper tone.

Oh, is that, so that's a reference to the original way it does. your skin, huh? Absolutely. Huh, interesting. I had no idea. Yeah, and obviously, copper tone eventually no longer turned you red, which made it a much more popular. In case the copper tone folks are listening.

They're not saying that's still a feature for your product. No, it does not make you red. As far as I know, I don't think I use copper tone. They have some kids sunscreens now that actually change your skin like blue for a bit, just so you can tell where it's all been applied. And then as it dries, it turns clear. I was going to say, that could be terrifying if they're swimming. Oh, yeah.

That would be horrific. If you turn around and your kids like Swimming around and they're blue Like I'd freak out I can't even think about that. That's terrifying. No. So but it turns back to like normal. Yeah. So just so you can see where it's

Make sure you got it everywhere And then it dries clear. Okay. Well, that's a pretty good idea. Yeah. Yeah. So with all this new sunscreen though You would think that people were like

Well, now that they're making sunscreen I should probably use it. But that wasn't necessarily Not everybody felt the need protect themselves against the sun, there was still this idea that had kind of permeated society that you needed some kind of healthy glow. That it was not only beautiful to look like you'd spend a lot of time out in the sun, but that it was actually a mark that you were in better health than people who were pale.

This got worse. I guess that's the word I'm going to use for this. That's got worse up until the 60s. And this is really where you see kind of the height of this idea, that tanning is the ideal. There are way more products out in the 60s to make you tan more than to make you tan less. So if you go, I mean, it would have, especially like, you know, teenagers at the time or young people probably were not going and buying sunscreen. They were going and buying, you know, tanning lotions that would make their skin more susceptible.

Yes, absolutely. And I remember these from back in the day, things that I remember they had something called like a tingle factor. and when you put them on, like they would, they'd kind of burn, they'd kind of tingle. And then you would be in the sun and that was bad.

But I remember that these things existed. Yeah, that sounds. It seems, and that's not that long. I'm not that old. It's not that long. But you know what? I can remember actual sunscreen stinging too

when I was a little kid. It used to sting. Maybe I'm just thinking about like being in my eyes and stuff. Yeah. Maybe. I didn't get out a lot as a kid. I didn't get outdoors much.

Maybe it was just being outside. Yeah. It's the size. I need to get back inside. So along this trend, by the 70s, we see the invention of the tanning bed. Gross. Yes. But, on the other hand, in the 70s, and maybe in reaction to this, we also see SPF become a thing.

So the idea that we can start rating sunscreens and the FDA gets involved to start regulating sunscreens and the sun-protectant factor, so you can actually figure out, like, is this product that I'm buying that might be turning me a color, yellow or red or whatever the sunscreen is, is it actually protecting me from the sun, which, I mean, I guess you find out sooner or later. It doesn't take much work to figure that out. But you'd prefer to find it out before you go outside in the sun and get burnt rather than after.

So then we see like the FDA starts regulating these and you start getting numbers and like, okay, this one's better than this one and that kind of thing. And you can't make like outrageous claims. Right. By the 80s, we figured out that there are problems from both UVA and UVB rays. So you know that both kinds of rays from the sun are dangerous and can cause skin damage and cancer. And as a result, as we move into the 90s and 2000s, you see more and more types of sunscreen. You see broader spectrum, ones that cover both types of rays.

they're more popular and then you see like spray sunscreens and things that are water resistant if it says waterproof that does not mean you can swim all day and not reapply Got it

And then of course You know sunscreen really took off with that whole Baz Luhrman thing in 1990s Sure that lit the fire That was the anti-Coco Chanel There are probably young people who are listening Who don't know what we're talking about Just Google it

Bazelerman made a thing out of somebody else's thing that a lot of people thought was written by Kurt Von and Kippa It wasn't, and it's called, was it just called wear sunscreen, I think? You're free to wear sunscreen? Free to wear, everybody's free, everybody's free to wear sunscreen. That's what it was called. Yeah, and it gives you, like, life advice.

Yeah, go check it out. And also. I have no idea if it will be culturally resonancy or not. I don't know if it will either. I have no clue, but in the late 90s, we were into it. It was. It was considered very cool then, and either way, it tells you to wear sunscreen, so go for it. Go, good nuts.

And, of course, by now we see that, like, self-tannning, is a popular alternative like spray tanning or, you know, like the things you can massage in, like mooses and stuff to just make you look tan but not actually be tan. And also, pale skin is coming back. I actually don't know if that's true. I just declared it. All right. There you go. Folks, you heard it here first. Sydney McRoy, the Coco Chanel of her day, has declared that pale skin is back. That's right. I, as I do every year, the first, warm day of the season. I emerge from my house. It's not the south of France and I'm not on a yacht, but I do emerge from my garage and I am wearing a t-shirt and shorts and the reflection of the sun off my pale, pale skin blinds my neighbors and they say, oh my gosh, who is that pale beauty? She's bad. I can't see, but oh, I love that look. Let me get a Tumblr post up. I went to

blind my neighbors too. How do I do that? And I'm like, it's easy. Just don't go outside. Sid, how much SPF do I need? You know, it's funny. You'll read a lot about this. This is a big conspiracy theory online, but that's actually fairly true. SPF really max this out around 45 or 50. The sun-protective factor, it's really not, like, if you go over that, if something says that it's more than that, it's really not. It's 45 or 50.

But honestly, a lot of dermatologists will tell you 30 is fine, that that's plenty. Because if you look at the numbers, like 15 blocks out, like, and I don't have these percentages, is I'm doing this for memory. So it's close to this. About 96% of the sun's rays. And then if you go up to like 30, it's like 97%. And then if you get up to like 45 and 50, it's like 98%. So any sunscreen is better than is way way, way, way, way better than none.

Exactly. Exactly. I would say that if you really want to make sure 30 is fine to go with, if you're paying more for stuff that says it's like 60 or 80, that I would not pay more for that kind of thing. but it's not it's not directly related it's not like 30s twice as strong as 15 i think that's interesting and it's a measure it's actually the way they derive those numbers it's a measure of the time it would take for your skin to burn without sunscreen relative to with this sunscreen and then somehow they get a number out of that but but 30 at least 30 is what i would go for i would go for 30 um there are all kinds of weird treatments for sunburn so let's say you didn't take my advice and you did get a sunburn

if you check the internet, you will find that people put everything. Whatever, they got handy. You just reach for the first open container and put it on yourself. That's absolutely true. I was reading these, and I found, these are some of the recommendations I found. So if you have a sunburn, here's what you should do. You should put some lettuce on it and some cucumbers on it and some tomatoes on it and some vinegar on it. And I think we just made a salad.

Yeah. Or just skip the mill, man. Put some Taziki sauce in there. Good to go. You could also try, I mean, really you'll find anything. Smashed up strawberries, coconut oil. One thing I read said that you should cut potatoes in half and rub raw potatoes all over your skin. It should be awfully time consuming.

Fat-free milk. That was specifically mentioned. Not just milk. Not just milk. Fat-free milk. Eat a bunch of sunflower seeds because they contain a lot of vitamin E. And vitamin E is good for. for your skin.

Eat yogurt, use tea bags on your skin, baking soda. As far as do these things work? I don't know. I mean, I figured this way. If you really want to smear yourself with like yogurt or strawberries or tomatoes or whatever, I mean, fine. Go for it. Why not?

There are a lot of these things that have like certain anti-inflammatory kind of properties that might take some of the sting out. So I can see it like a lot of people will say that about vinegar that it'll take some of the sting out of the sunburn and it may It's not gonna cure it. It's gonna go away So if you don't feel like rubbing yourself with like Boiled lettuce water don't just don't it's okay If you if you're into it or if it's like a good excuse for you and your You know you and your loved one to like

You know experiment with them while sunburn? No better time to make whoopee What are actual treatments? What can I actually do? Give me the list. Okay, so some actual treatments. Wait, I have to tell you this one other thing. I found one other thing, great advice on the internet. This is one website.

These are the things that they recommended. So don't wear sunscreen, cover up, eat real food, and get a tan. We're the recommendations. So this is, and the reason I mentioned this, this is one website's sun protection regimen. Is don't just read the internet and do anything they say on there, because that's all bad advice. Yeah. Instead, cover up isn't bad advice. Well, cover up is fine, but like if you think that eating real food, whatever that means,

eating real food is going to protect you from a sunburn. That's our problem. We don't even enough raw food. And also, don't wear sunscreen and get a tan. Well, anyway. Here's what you should actually do. First of all, don't get sunburn. That's good.

Prevent it. That's the best thing you can do is wear sunscreen. I mean, loose fitting clothing. I know it's hot out and you don't want to be, you know, draped in lots of clothes. clothing, but loose fitting clothing, covering up your extremities, wearing a hat. Those are all good ideas. Use this umbrella. Yes, yes, absolutely.

Get out of the sun when you start, like if you start to feel, like, you know, when your skin starts to get that tight feeling, like, like, you know, a little sore. It's already too late. Well, get out of the sun, though, because a lot of people don't do that. If you do get a sunburn, hydrate, it's important, you know, because you're, you're losing a lot of insensible fluid losses. You're losing fluid. So hydrate yourself.

moisturize your skin. That's a good idea. If you get a sunburn, things like anti-inflammatories that are over-the-counter, ibuprofen or, you know, Aleve, naproxin, that kind of thing can help. Allo really can take the sting out. Although, again, we're not talking about curing a sunburn. The only thing that cures a sunburn is time. I, just a real quick aside before we wrap up, this is kind of a hard show for me, because if you didn't know this, maybe he did. My mom died from skin cancer about 10 years ago. I say that not to freak you out or to bring things down, but just to say that this is serious stuff, and a lot of people treat it like it's not. Like it's just, you know, some advice you can take or not, but I'm here to tell you that it is very, very, very, very, very important.

So please take the time, take the extra 30 seconds before you leave the house. Even if you're not going to the beach, you're just like out about on a bright, sunny day, apply your sunscreen because it could just save your life. That's absolutely true. There really is research to back up that wearing sunscreen and protecting yourself from burns can prevent specifically squamous cell,

cancer of the skin, and melanoma. Or just stay inside on a list of podcasts. That's an option. That's right. That's right. We macaroids are producing them left and right. So check out all of our podcasts. Yeah, like sawbones.

I do one called The Adventure Zone with my brothers where we play D&D. We do an advice podcast called My Brother My Brother and Me. I have a food reviewed show on YouTube called Things I bought at Sheets. I have a video game podcast called Qualified. Control. Travis has Bunker buddies that he does with

Andy. Right. And he has another one called trends like these. He does this friend brand about what's hot

on the internet. And Griffin doesn't have a side project because he's, I don't know. Maybe he's just, he's lazy and

we're very disappointed. Very disappointed. So listen to all those. Many of them are on the Maximum Fund network, which we're a proud member of you can find

all those shows at maximum fun. Dot org. Thank you to the taxpayers for let us use their song Medicines to intro and outro the show.

We really do appreciate that. That's going to do for us, I'm Justin McElroy. I'm Sidney McElroy. As always, don't drill a hole in your head. Maximum Fun.

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