Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Cranberries

Episode Date: November 26, 2016

To celebrate American Thanksgiving, Dr. Sydnee and Justin example the medical history of that beleaguered holiday treat: The humble cranberry. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Saubones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books. One, two, one, two, three, four. I'm not a sense the For the mouth. Wow. Hello everybody and welcome to Saw Bones, a metal tour of Miss Guy to Medicine. I'm your co-host Justin McElroy.

And I'm Sydney McElroy. Zzzzz. Oh, so hungry. I know. I'm a hungry, baby, Sam. I know. We messed up. We delayed all of our meals today and now it's late and we need to record, but we're

also hungry. Do you have one of those times need to record, but we're also hungry. You have one of those times where you don't think you're hungry at the time that the baby eats dinner. And then it's like, oops, I forgot. I have two hours of things to do before I can eat again. And then you're staring at your baby's mashed potatoes. Like, I know those are cold and her fingers have been all in them. Oh, love it.

Like all over them, every, every potatoe drop, but I still kind of want to eat them. The good news is though that Sid's parents brought over Thanksgiving left overs from last night. I have some of my chest bars and Kelsey Grammers over here that I made and then my sweet potato casserole that just can't get enough of. Oh, it's gonna be a good dinner. Turkey for this. It's gonna be a good dinner. I'm soaked. Right. And do we have a staple? Uh, thanks for giving staple with us the cranberry sauce. You got no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, gross. No, there's nothing to get now. That was forever. Or any kind of cranberry relish.

No, cranberries were never a thing in my house. Really? I never had cranberries at the table. Ever. We always had mom makes and then she got the recipe from her mom makes a cranberry like, it's like a relish, I guess is the best name for it. It's a sauce, but it's not that can of stuff.

No, it's not the gelatinous the gelatinous Wine-colored log. Yeah, it's cranberry colored, but that seems redundant. No, I Know I'm okay with cranberries, especially since I've gone older. I get I get it a bit more. I used to think they're really like Sour and unappetizing, but I tart. They're very tart. Kind of their thing. It's a tartness. Yeah. But yeah, I'm not for eating, no, not with savory, no.

No, well, I get it. I think cranberries are good with savory stuff. I was never much on like the cranberry sauce Thanksgiving thing, just not my jam. I'd go the gravy route. But cranberries are really interesting, so that's why I brought them up. What do you mean like medicinal? Medicinely interesting. I know that some people buy into that and I've heard of them being used for like actual purposes. So be interested to see.

Yeah, there's a little bit of truth here. So, so let's talk about cranberries. Later, I want to tell you my cranberry, like more about cranberries because I think they're really, I think the way we get cranberries is really interesting. Okay, all right, so you have some cranberry facts. I have cranberry facts. It's a rock fact. It's cranberry fact. Cranberries or Vexinium macricarpon?

Do you prefer that name? Or would you rather have a cranberry? Let's go with cranberries. They're native to North America, which is rare, I guess. There aren't a lot of berries. We've got like three. We've got like cranberries, blueberries, concord grapes. Oh, really?

That's it. I mean, there are other fruits here. Like, we have other berries now. Yeah, I've had some other fruits, I think. There are other fruits here. I feel like I've had other fruits. But these are the ones that grow here. As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As the... As fruits. But these are the ones that grow here. As the...

As the... As the... As the... As the... As the glaciers receded from North America, they left these like holes that were filled with like sand and clay and a lot of debris. And those became cranberry bogs. That's where they formed cranberry vine.

Just advertising. Started to grow there. So bogs, and you know, they're not, like they don't grow in water. Did you know that? Yes. I didn't know that. That's what I want to tell you about.

Oh, okay. I'm going to tell you about it. All about it. Is this the moment or do you want to wait? You want to keep me in suspense? Well, so look, you want me to tell them I'm as a food product and then we can tell them I'm indistinguishable. Sure. Because is that was that work for you? Yeah. I don't know. Okay. So, okay. So, and I'm not like an expert on this or anything. No, this is this is our

addition of Justin Google that Justin Google that a while ago and then I like try to refresh myself. But so cranberries are for the longest time cranberries, okay, so there's two ways you can make cranberries, right? There's dry, not make, only God can make your cranberry. Man, it's too big. It's not make a cranberry. There's two ways you can harvest cranberries, dry and wet, right? So dry cranberries is just picking them out of the bog, right? Right off the vine off the vine and then that's like really

labor intensive and meticulous work sure But there's another way that people discovered in the thirties Which is wet harvesting which is basically when the cranberry bog floods, the cranberries rise up and then machines can harvest them. So it's like really super quick way to get the cranberries, but there's a catch. The cranberries that you see in the bag at the store, those are all dry harvested because wet harvesting

makes it messes the cranberries up too bad. They don't look good for, really. Yeah, so if you see them in a bag at the store, there's a dry harvested, but you can't sell them fresh otherwise. So they had this thing where they had this technique of, well, we've got these great cranberries, and we can get them easier now,

and we can grow more of them, but we don't have a market with which to sell them. So, enter the gelatinous. Enter the gelatinous. Cylinder, right. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, so that was the, the,

or juice, I guess. Or juice, I guess. Yeah, I don't feel like that was the, the, um, or juice, I guess. Or juice, I guess. Yeah, I don't feel like that was as big of a, of a thing at the time, but the cranberry sauce as, you know, sort of popularized by a co-op of growers that we came to call Ocean Spray said, okay, now we have a way for cranberries to be like, not just, first of all, to be available year round because they have that one season and then that's it.

And they weren't a big, a hot ticket item anyway because there was two hundred of grow in the river. So with what harvesting came, cranberry saw, because like, we can use all these ugly berries that we harvested with machines. That explains those commercials where they're standing just high in cranberries. Exactly. Exactly. So that is, that's a wet harvesting versus dry harvesting. And the log, the cranberry log was, like, 40s came up around there. Well, thank you, Justin. Yeah, well, it's really the least I can do. Do you know Americans love cranberries.

We eat like 40 million pounds a year and we eat about 20% of that in the week around Thanksgiving. That is not surprising to me. That is a lot of cranberries. It's weird those foods that you're like, you know another one's like that stuffing. When I eat stuffing, I'm like, man, this is good. This is really good. I think I'll eat this again, I'm like, man, this is good, this is really good.

I think I'll eat this again. I'm gonna eat this again like a year. Like exactly 12 counter months from now. One year from now. Like your mom's stuff is she makes, and I think Taylor has made some, some like some like with sausage and nothing like, it's just stuffing.

But not cranberries. So let's focus. All right, you're right. She's like, I like stuff. That's upstairs too. Well, we're getting that. I mean, like, not on the show. You're right. We're just going to get there to the stuffing.

Native Americans cultivated innate cranberries. They were aware of their first of all. If you added something sweet to them like honey, that they tasted good. You know, because cranberries are pretty tart. So that was a popular way to add a little bit of honey and mash up the berries and then it's yummy. And you know, it's a nice balanced flavors. It also, they didn't, now that there was no understanding of the reason in behind this, but it warded off scurvy.

Mm. You could eat cranberries and you wouldn't get scurvy. Now, the reason people thought this was true is that they believe that scurvy was due to an excess of salt and they thought that the sour tastes, the tartness of cranberries somehow could draw the salt out of your body. Okay, that's accurate. That wasn't no, but that was the theory behind it. So nobody understood that they, that cranberries actually do have a lot of vitamin C. So that's really what they were getting

and why they didn't get scurvy from, you know, when they cranberries. But you can kind of think of, we've talked about scurvy on the show before and we talked about like British sailors eating limes. I mean, those didn't really work. Or lemons, a better source of vitamin C, of course. Cranberries were to American sailors

as slimes or lemons really were to the English sailors. Oh, cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't realize that either because they're good source of vitamin C. The Native Americans also used cranberries in like a poultice. So if you had some sort of wound or injury, they believe that cranberries had properties that would prevent infection and inflammation. Again, without knowing these

terms at the time, just that it healed better. And so they would take like whole cranberries and mash them and put them in kind of a like fresh cranberries into a poultice and apply it to the wound. They were used for all kinds of like fever and swelling, sea sickness, fresh cranberries were often prescribed for those kinds of things. They also were beliefs of purified blood or to fight infections in the bloodstream, so if somebody was very ill, you might give them cranberries. They were used as a laxative. I think maybe if you had enough problems. It seems legit. Maybe you had enough cranberry seems legit Yeah, sure it's about right and lots of different complaints related to childbirth basically anything going on with childbirth

You could say hey, why don't know take cranberry What's also interesting is there was this early form of what we'd probably think of as kind of like an energy bar Yeah, like a super food called Pimican. Okay. Like the turkey brand. Huh? There's a turkey brand called Pimican. I didn't know that.

Yeah, it makes sense. This is where the track is. I am certain this is where this came from. So it was ground dried deer meat, and then you mix it with cranberries, fat tallow, and then you pack it all in an animal skin, and you would take that with you if you had like a long journey or something,

and it was like a nutrient rich superfood. It was like an energy bar, a protein bar. Yeah, you would take with you. So that's where that comes from. And Pimicin was a very popular food. And I read, as I was reading about cranberries, there's a lot of talk about the first Thanksgiving and work cranberries really there.

There are a lot of people who want to know like where cranberries really at the first Thanksgiving. A lot of Google auto fill auto complete searches for. Yeah, I don't know if cranberries were the first Thanksgiving. If they were there, it may have been in this form. It would not be odd to think that someone would have had this substance, this pemican on them. So, so maybe they were there in that form. But like I said, the Native Americans were eating cranberries. They were aware of them. So who knows? I don't know. When the Europeans arrived, they, that was when we first see them called cranberries. Know what?

Well, they called them crane berries. Cranberries, because the flowers of the berries, the flowers on the cranberry plant, looked like the head and neck area of sand hill cranes. I'm double checking this right now. Why? What? No, not the fact. I'm double checking the other. Oh, look at it. So therefore they were called crane berries and then eventually that just kind of came short into crann. All right. Yeah, I get it. I do. I get it. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. I can see it. I see it. There were lots of other names for them.

One of my favorites that I found were bear berries. Cause bears like to eat them. Cause bears like to eat them. No, I'm okay. I've known a lot of bears in my time. I cannot imagine there's a lot of berries that were bears are like, no, thanks. I'm good.

I'm looking for cranberries right now. When you say you've known a lot of bears in your time, do you mean like, oh, like on TV bears? Like fictional bears, but like not. Like fictional bears. I don't hang with real bears. Well, Yogi was in a big fan of cranberries.

He wouldn't have turned his snout up by the month. He would like a picnic basket, I believe. Yeah, he like picnic baskets, but if there's, I mean, there's food in him. He didn't eat the basket squid. So like, he probably, if there's I mean, there's food in him. He didn't eat the basket squid So like he he probably if there was cranberry Mellish in there he would probably enjoy it Thanksgiving pic next I don't remember when he the poo eating

I wish people I wish people would bring We can be cranberries other times of the year. I cannot go to the store It's only Thanksgiving giving a picket thinks boo boo. Thanks for your painting. It's a big thing. Probably not. I've never heard of that happening. I'm sure it does somewhere. As Europeans began to kind of adopt, they arrived in the new world and found cranberries to be yummy. First of all. And so they adopted them until like they're... You even went straight though? No. No.

I can imagine that. I imagine it's too tart. Yeah. I would think. But that's why, but I mean, even like I mentioned, it was already traditionally being prepared with something sweet. Yeah. So, you know, they probably would have gotten that too.

They began to expand like the medicinal uses for them as well, because they were observed to be this kind of like superfood and that they were prized. And so throughout the 17th century, we see this expansion to liver issues, which back then could have meant anything. It didn't necessarily mean it had anything to do with your liver. So if you were kind of grouchy, maybe somebody would tell you to eat some cranberries. You know, if you're really a puny or weak, or just get tired a lot, it's a bad liver. Here's some cranberries. Of course, like blood disorders, anything that made people lose weight,

lose their appetite. So maybe even like cancer before we knew cancer, those kinds of things, you may have been prescribed cranberries and anything wrong with your stomach. Cranberries. Eat some cranberries. You know, cranberry sauce did make its way back to the UK in some form, but their version is unsurprisingly a lot more sour than ours is sweet.

Is it like a chutney? I bet, yeah, I don't know. I'd read that there was like a cranberry chutney as well It wouldn't it doesn't surprise me. There's a list sweet the folks British folks I love you and I love my girl Mary Berry for sure no doubt I've cooked a ton of her recipes You always got to up that sugar like I just everything's gotta be up by about 20% because y'all Listen, it's okay to put more in it might be us. We might have the opposite problem. We like things too sweet.

Probably, but like, that's all the matter. That's all perfect. That's all perfect, though. I'm an American. I get to say that they're doing it wrong. They probably think I'm doing it wrong. That's fine. It's kind of strong special partnership

that our keep our countries in sync. I read that Julia Child was a big fan of cranberry chutney. That sounds about right. And that had like her own recipe for it. And it was like a little bit of tart, a little bit sweet, a little bit of heat. It had everything. Sounds like the perfect super food.

So wait, cranberries, you've talked some about eating them and fake things, but like, are they not good for something? There are some things they're good for, and I want to tell you about that. But first, why don't you come with me to the billing department? Let's go! The medicines, the medicines, the ask you lift my car before the mouth! Hello Internet, I'm your husband host Travis McAroy. And I'm your wife host, Teresa McAroy.

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Get it? So said you were going to tell me about real stuff that cranberries do. So yes, if you if you have ever thought of cranberries as medicine, most people. And I have, which is why I am sick a lot of the time and don't seem to get left. If you think of cranberries as the only medicine, I'm surprised you've made it this long. But most people I think are vaguely aware that there's something to do with cranberries and the urinary tract. Right.

Right. I've had that said to me many times by patients that, well, I thought I was getting an infection, so I drank a lot of cranberry juice. Or I thought I had a kidney stone, so I drank a lot of cranberry juice, or I was diagnosed with these things. So I also drank a lot of cranberry juice, thinking I would fix it. This dates back to like the 18th century. Next troubling? Yeah, and that's when we first thought cranberries, especially when juiced, but cranberries in any form could be used to treat

or maybe prevent an infection of the urinary tract. They were kind of thought to be antibacterial. I referenced this. You know, we had this concept that they were good for wounds, that they were good for inflammation and infection anyway. And then there was also this belief that people started to have that it somehow acidified your urine and that that would kill the bacteria as well. And so that that was how it worked. And then a lot of people used it and some people felt like it treated

or prevented or whatever their UTIs. And so then it was then it perpetuated. This theory was later found to be wrong as they had the theory based on hipereic acid and the amount in your urine and it was tested in any way, that was wrong, but. Right. But. Okay. Crambaries also contain a substance that can help to prevent bacteria, specifically they've done a lot of studies with E. coli bacteria, that can prevent E. coli from attaching to cell to the outside of

your cells. I love to tissues. I think that you are arguing semantics at this point. If you do not think that that's anti-bacterial. That's anti-bacterial, right? Yeah, I mean, like you said, it keeps the bacteria right. Right. But it's not, I mean, it doesn't do anything to kill the bacteria necessarily. It doesn't stop their growth. It's correct, right? But it's not, I mean, it doesn't do anything to kill the bacteria necessarily. It doesn't stop their growth. It just stops them from attaching to. But you know, a lot of these tissues. So if it can't ask the tissue,

it's just gonna go on its merry way. You're fine. Oh no, that's it. Well, yeah. You know, it's like the catch and release. It's a more humane way of dealing with bacteria. Yeah. Move along.

Nothing for you here, friend. Yes, that's a very tricky thing. It's really made of cranberries. It's much better than like sticky traps for bacteria. Right. This, there have been studies that show that drinking cranberry, well actually taking cranberries, the juice, the juice thinks get more questionable

because there's not as much of the substance in the way that cranberries are processed in the juice. And then you also get like sugar and stuff. So the juice is actually probably not as good as maybe like a cranberry supplement or some other form of cranberry but it can maybe help reduce the frequency of urinary tract infections. It doesn't treat a urinary tract infection. Once it's there it's there. Two light cranberries.

Exactly. Once you got an infection you got an infection. And it isn't 100%. So I'm not saying that you eat a cranberry a day and you're never going to get a urinary tract infection. But there have been some compelling studies that show this effect that it prevents the bacteria from adhering like they usually do. And the result is maybe you get fewer urinary tract infections.

And for most people, it seems like a kind of harmless thing to try, especially if you do get recurrent urinary tract infections. And for most people, it seems like a kind of harmless thing to try, especially if you do get recurrent urinary tract infections. So there is some truth to this for UTIs, specifically for that. But when you see success in one area, the uses of cranberries for other things, of course, are going to keep growing. And to meet this demand, people had to actually start cultivating more cranberries, right?

Because we're still talking about wild cranberries growing. Cultivation of the cranberry began in 1816, shortly after Captain Henry Hall, who was a revolutionary war veteran of Massachusetts, noticed that the wild cranberries in his bogs grew better when Sam blew over them. So he just moved them to places where I could have them easier? Yeah, and spread sand on them. Well, there you go. I can't say well all things were spreading sand on it. It's like how far? I guess put some sand on it. Put some sand on it. I mean, if you want to be. If you want to fix it. That's true, Cindy.

A lot of sand together does make a beach. I'm just saying, if you have a place where there isn't sand and you put a lot of sand there, eventually it will be a beach, I guess. I guess it's like caught on. Or a desert. Or a desert water. You went too far.

I'll take some of sand out. I think the sand out, you went past beach into desert. Right now, just a little bit of of sand you get cranberry bog. Of course his technique was copied after he was successful. And so you started to see more and more people growing cranberries. And as cranberries grew there you spread. They also began to ship them from the US back to the, can I say the old world back to Europe? Yeah, back to Europe. And one kind of interesting anecdote that came with that,

because then people started eating them and, you know, using them for medicinal purposes and everything back in Europe. But there was a shipwreck off the coast of Holland where a bunch of crates of cranberries went overboard. And they washed up on the shore of this island, Tertjelling Island. And they started taking root because there was, it was a sandy beachy area on the edge of this island. And cranberries like to grow there. And they have been cultivating cranberries on this island ever since. From the random shipwrecks.

So weird to like all done, a cottage industry. Just watched the problem. Look at all these crazy cranberries. What should we do with them? Leave them there. Watch what happened. I've heard it, but you mentioned like an actual use form, but I've heard cranberries like recommended for lots of stuff.

You'll hear cranberries. I think blueberries kind of get the same rap too. I don't know if I'm my, I would have guessed blueberries before cranberries, but the antioxidant thing is what a lot of people will tout is that there are substances in cranberries that are antioxidants. So they protect your cells, they protect you from your DNA from damage. They help to repair damage that's done to your DNA from like, especially carcinogens, is the thought. So people will say that they can help prevent heart disease.

There are people who say they help prevent or cure cancer, which is always is always problematic. Yeah, you start to hear that and and I mean you'll hear people say that like I use it for my arthritis. It's great for my eczema It's really good for gout. Nope. It's great for asthma, but also gallbladder disease Uh-oh They're starting to pile up. They're starting to pile up. This is becoming a little bit of a cure all Which they they still do cure nothing because once you've already got the thing, it does not cure it.

They still cure nothing. They fit. They think they're semantically we're on solid ground. Yes, they fit our definition, our theory on cures. There isn't evidence for a lot of these things I've just named. I mean, just because something is an antioxidant, just because you can prove that in a laboratory, does not mean that it prevents or cures cancer in a human,

which anybody in the scientific community knows that, but if that is presented to you as a lay person the wrong way, it may be very misleading. Right. And there are certainly a lot of misleading things out there. It's not, I will say this, if you're going to talk about cures that maybe don't really work, but like what their risks are, cranberries are pretty, pretty legit and maybe delicious. And if you are still seeking conventional medicine, I think you're okay. There is some interesting other

just kind of compelling tidbits. Maybe they're good for gum disease and plaque. They've looked into kind of the same idea, I talked about like preventing bacteria from adhering to the tissue inside your bladder. Yeah, it tracks. That maybe they can do some of the same things with some of the bacteria that might grow in your mouth. In an addition, there's a certain bacteria, helicobacter pylori, Hpylori, which causes stomach ulcers, and it may also do the same thing to that to help prevent it from attaching to the lining of your gut and causing ulcers. Interesting.

So, these are still kind of tentative early studies. I mean, nobody's, as we've said many times on the show before, when we're talking about something like cranberries, you're not going to have like a major pharmaceutical company doing a, you know, multi-million dollar double blind study. Sure, right. Because it's like, go eat some. I don't know. We're not selling them. Exactly. Exactly. So you're not going to see the kind of robust data behind something like cranberries that you would see behind a medication that is being prescribed and sold and made

by a pharmaceutical company. You're just not gonna find it. Is there anything people need to like, I guess any other facts about cranberries and any other date, there's not, I guess not that dangerous. Well, I wouldn't call them dangerous, certainly. I mean, most of us have eaten cranberries and done okay unless you're like allergic to them or something in which case like don't, don't, don't.

It can interfere with some blood thinners. So if you're on a blood thinner and like actually make your blood even thinner, because it interferes with the metabolism of them and makes them like cranberries. So well a lot of there's actually a lot of foods that can do that with the cranberries. But what I would say is that if you are on medication like that and you're considering like trying to mega dose cranberries for some reason I would talk to a doctor. I'm not saying you can't ever eat cranberries. I'm just saying if you are on a medication like that I would talk to a doctor. I'm not saying you can't ever eat cranberries. I'm just saying if you are on a medication like that, I would talk to a doctor about it. They can upset your stomach if you eat enough of them. Okay, so maybe true for like all food. Yeah, like everything. I mean, like if you drink too

much water, you'll feel kind of lousy. So, And they may, again, if you eat too many of them, increase your likelihood to make a kidney stone. But I think these are probably fairly minor risks and specific to certain patients and populations. I think if you like cranberries, you have fun. You know, eat your cranberries. But if you think that cranberries are like the secret, the secret cure that nobody has ever thought of before, well, well, sorry, sorry.

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