Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Dr. Odyssey: Shark Week

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

What medical drama does a doctor on a cruise ship get involved in? Dr. Sydnee and Justin talk about Dr. Odyssey: Shark Attack!, and the follow-up,  Dr. Odyssey: Shark Attack! Part 2: Orca. It's a wil...d ride, but some of the medical beats are surprisingly accurate.Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers https://taxpayers.bandcamp.com/Harmony House: https://harmonyhousewv.com/ MaxFunDrive ends on March 28, 2025! Support our show now and get access to bonus content by becoming a member at maximumfun.org/join.

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Starting point is 00:01:05 Hello everybody, welcome to Sawbones, a marital tour of misguided medicine. I am your co-host Justin McElroy. And I'm Sydney McElroy. And it is the Max Fun Drive. It is our second and final Max Fun Drive episode. Sydney, what does that mean to me, the listener? Well, that means-
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Starting point is 00:02:21 Cut you slack this week. Let's just have a little fun, right? We're gonna talk about Doctor Odyssey, shark attack, and the follow-up. Doctor Odyssey, shark attack, orcas attack. Orcas attack. Yeah, it is actually called shark attack part two, orca. That'll be after the break.
Starting point is 00:02:43 First we'll start with shark attack. First we'll start with shark attack part one we'll start with Shark Attack, part one. Now, if you remember, we've talked about Doctor Odyssey before, right? Indeed, we did an entire episode on it. And we will be talking about some story beats in the show. So if you're one of going completely ignorant of the events of these episodes,
Starting point is 00:03:02 just come back to these after you've enjoyed them yourself. Sure, sure. Now, where we last left, I mean, the these after you've enjoyed them yourself. Sure, sure. Now, where we last left, I mean, the plot of Doctor Odyssey's pretty straightforward. He's the Doc on a cruise ship and wild stuff happens. It's a Ryan Murphy show, so weird stuff happens. And then there's like a, well, it was a love triangle between him and his nurse practitioner and his nurse.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Avery and Tristan. Yes, except then it was not so much a triangle as a threesome. Yes, so at the end of the last episode of the season finale, we found out that Avery is pregnant. But whose baby is it? We don't know. We don't know. So we're going to jump right into that.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Right. With a shark attack. Yes. With a shark attack. So that's what's happening. So it's only the crew on board, right? We're in between cruises. We have no passengers.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Yes. As this episode opens up. Right. It is an empty, and then this has been the first week that hasn't been themed to a week of the cruise, right? It was themed to sharks. It was themed about sharks. Shark Week.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Shark Week. One of the other crew members. Which I bet they wanted to call it Shark Week, cause the other ones have been phrased that, you know. Oh man, I bet they did. Yeah, I bet they wanted to. Do you think they weren't allowed to? They probably can't, yeah, legally they can't.
Starting point is 00:04:11 So one of the other crew members is out surfing. They're taking a break, the first mate is out surfing, and he gets attacked by a shark. And he gets a terrible shark bite on his foot, ankle area. And they rush him back to the ship where Dr. Odyssey stabilizes him, but then is like, we gotta get him to a hospital to save this foot.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Because the arteries have all been torn. This is the conceit. And so we are up against the clock to save his foot. Except as they're headed quickly to the shore, they find out that there's a distress call from another ship. What? And so then they have to go rescue this other ship.
Starting point is 00:04:49 Like they're bound by sea law, I think. Sea law dictates. Right. Is that, I'm assuming, is that sea law? Sea. Ocean law? Maritime law. Maritime law. Maritime law dictates.
Starting point is 00:05:00 That if a cruise ship hears a distress signal, it has to go. Right. And so it does does it goes to See what's going on and they find a bunch of people in a raft because the boats been sunk by You guessed it. Well Because they're like the boat was sunk by a shark and they're like that's impossible, but the shark did bite two of the people Yes, these sharks, they, okay, these episodes
Starting point is 00:05:28 are themed around aquatic attacks that are not depicted in the budget of this show. No. Not available to you. You are going to get a lot of talk about sharks. You may see one in a formation from time to time through the water, but. There's a fin.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Yeah, you get a fin. You get some brief flashes of a shark, and I'm gonna be honest, it's not really that much better than Big Shark. Yes, but we are, the thing is, the sharks are, for whatever reason, attacking the boat. And Don Johnson tries to contextualize this by saying,
Starting point is 00:06:02 yes, I too have been on a boat where animals have attacked us. Where sharks attacked. Where sharks attacked. No, they say like, we don't think the shark attacked the boat. That doesn't make sense. But anyway, the shark attacked these people.
Starting point is 00:06:13 So they rush them back to the ship and they're like, okay, this girl got bitten in the side. This is not a big deal. We cleaned these wounds out, no problem. But her boyfriend has gotten bitten so badly in both his leg and arm that they're gonna have to do a double amputation. There's no time.
Starting point is 00:06:30 He's gonna die if they wait till they get to shore. He's too unstable to take a tender boat. So we're gonna perform a double amputation on this cruise ship. Yes, now what is, now Sid, when we're, just to make this somewhat redeeming, educationally speaking, when we're thinking about an amputation,
Starting point is 00:06:44 because it is such a hot topic on this week's episode, what are we really thinking about? What are some of our primary concerns? Because to a layman, it may seem as simple as chopping off a limb, but there's obviously a lot more to it than that. And we've talked about it in episodes, where I'm not asking for a full, you know, recounting
Starting point is 00:07:05 of our concerns here, but yeah. So okay, first of all, I mean, we're not going to do this on a cruise ship. If you're talking about an actual amputation in an OR, you're going to be able to control for like sterilization. So like, you know, keep it from getting infected. You're going to be able to monitor the patient closely for blood pressure, vital, you know, to make sure they're stable throughout the surgery. You're going to be able to monitor the patient closely for blood pressure, vital, you know, to make sure they're stable throughout the surgery. You're gonna watch for blood loss.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Obviously, this is a major surgery. You're having a whole limb removed. So blood, blood, and especially in these cases, they've already lost a lot of blood because they got, you know, bitten by sharks. Yes. And then what we need to do is we do the amputation is make sure that what is left
Starting point is 00:07:44 is something that we can reform into an appropriate appendage. So you want to, usually like the bone is cut a little shorter so that then the other tissues can fold over it, does that make sense? Sure, yeah. And it's a stepwise process. You don't just like lop through the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:08:02 You usually cut through the layers of tissue and muscle and whatnot first to expose the entire bone. So you have a really clear cutting surface to then saw through the bone. They get a really terrifying saw from the, they don't have a saw on the boat. Right, they don't have a bone saw. The bone saw is not ready.
Starting point is 00:08:22 You know what was interesting to me? They don't have, they don't have a bone saw is not ready. You know what was interesting to me? They don't have a bone saw, but when I, so I have assisted in amputations in my life. And we did not use the bone saw in the ones that I assisted with. We used this wire, this like toothed wire with handles on either end, and you loop it under the bone. And then if you can imagine sort of like pulling up and down
Starting point is 00:08:46 to saw it back and forth. Yeah, I can't imagine it, but should I? And it feels like that's such a low tech item that you could store that on a cruise ship. I understand. Yeah, but no, they go for the power tool. I mean, he's got a dialysis machine. They make a lot of hay out of that.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Yes, they do. They use the dialysis machine a lot in the first season So anyway, they do the double amputation and I should note there was a trauma surgeon aboard the other Yeah, and so now we have hot shock shark doctor. Is that what they call her? That is her name Hot shark doctor how she is credited on IMDB No, she is dr. Brooke Lane, a real person, played by Adrienne Policki. But they do call her Hot Shark Doctor on that. We have got a lot of people bringing the guest heat.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Rumor Willis is there. Is one of the shark bite victims. We've also got the first character on the autism spectrum. Let's see, Liam Johnson as played by Ray Baldwin. Now I don't know about Mr. Baldwin's particulars with his mental situation vis-a-vis playing an autistic character, but I do want to say that he mentions a neuro spice on his Instagram profile so who knows? I don't know his journey, but he does a really, I think it's a really interesting inclusion, Sid.
Starting point is 00:10:11 As a physician, what did you think about this character, who is a first officer who had been, a very capable first officer who had been working with Hot Shark Doctor, sorry, Dr. Brooke Lane, excuse me. They call her Hot Shark Doctor on the show. This is not us editorializing. She is barely a person. We are not calling her that.
Starting point is 00:10:30 They say that on the show. No, I mean, well, I don't feel like as a physician, it's for me to comment on like, authentic representation of an autistic person. No, I don't feel like that, no. Oh, I thought that's what you were asking me. I'm not, I feel like you would have to ask somebody on the spectrum.
Starting point is 00:10:48 As a TV viewer, we've seen different, you know, depictions. I will say that I thought it was a little ham-fisted how early they had to work in the fact that this officer is on the autism spectrum. It is like literally almost the first like conversation this person has. And it is in the context of them not tolerating like, it's in their manner, right?
Starting point is 00:11:12 Is it the first time when we meet? They're impatient. He's impatient. Oh, he's impatient, right. And that he wants to get his vitals checked the last time so he can be cleared to go back to work. And he's being impatient with Tristan. And Dr. Brook Lane says, well, it's because he's autistic
Starting point is 00:11:30 and autistic people are impatient, which is also kind of a sweeping generalization. But I thought it was a little, all the other characters seem to be somewhat unfamiliar with autism, which I thought- That is what troubled me the most, honey. That is what, like, listen. Most people are somewhat, like,
Starting point is 00:11:49 I mean, you don't have to be a medical professional to be somewhat familiar with the concept of autism spectrum disorder. Hey, listen, listen. I recognize my road dogs almost instantly, I feel like. You know what I mean? Like, you know people, you see it. Like, it's very recognizable, I feel like, that...
Starting point is 00:12:05 Are you saying you know each other, like, as a member of the community? As a member of the community, like, I feel like I see people, you know what I mean? Like, I see the hints, and I feel like there's been so many coded characters, right? Like, so many, that it feels weird for it to be explicit, I think, you know what I mean? Cause it's like, it's almost like we don't really, we run into lots of people in our day to day life. Maybe this is just my life is cooler than most people's,
Starting point is 00:12:34 but I run into a lot of people who would appear to externally be on the autism spectrum or would have some of those characteristics. And like, I don't feel like we necessarily are going around and be like, hold up, Let me clarify something right now. Are you on the autism spectrum? It's like, okay, we could just be people. Well, I wondered about that too,
Starting point is 00:12:52 just because we talked about the show, The Pit, last week, and there is a character, we didn't really talk about this, but there's a character that I think is supposed to be autism spectrum coded, I believe. Now I have not seen the whole season, and maybe they address this. Maybe this is said, and I just haven't gotten that far. I think is supposed to be autism spectrum coded, I believe. Now I have not seen the whole season, and maybe they address this.
Starting point is 00:13:05 Maybe this is said, and I just haven't gotten that far. But she seems to be, and I think in a lot of the way she's interacting with patients and some of her strengths and weaknesses, I think that's what they're trying to communicate through the character, which I feel like a lot of people would pick up on without anyone having to say it.
Starting point is 00:13:22 I also would say, though, as I'm sitting here thinking about it, we are, this is a mainstream network TV prime time drama. Like it is not, I don't think, maybe you can't make the assumption that everybody watching is gonna be as familiar with some of these. So you're like trying to contextualize it a little bit.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Yeah, that's sure. And I tend to take a lot of things for granted if they're medical at all, because I never know what I know because I'm a doctor and what I just know because a lot of people know this right, but anyway the they do the double amputation and Does the power the power goes off in the first episode? the it's towards so okay shark doctor and Pacey are Not exactly caught in full therante by Avery.
Starting point is 00:14:07 They're definitely flirting. Yeah. She needs to take a, Dr. Brook Lane needs to take a shower, which actually Dr. Brook Lane sounds worse than not Shark Doctor to me now that I say it out loud. It sounds actually more made up, but yeah, they, Avery comes into the room. She had gone in to take a shower then realizes, oh my gosh, maybe he isn't the potential father that he tried to say that he wanted to be in this potential baby's life, maybe.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Yeah, because what they've struggled with from the previous episode is that Dr. Odyssey was pretty controlling and kind of sexist about his reaction to the pregnancy. Like he should have a say in what she does. Whereas Tristan was very much like, your body, your choice, I'm here no matter what. And if you have this baby, I don't care who the dad is,
Starting point is 00:14:51 I'm a part of it. I'm a part of this baby's life. So like she's struggling with that. And then she sees Max flirting with Shark Doctor and she's hurt and then the power goes out. Well, then she has the idea of taking, and then the power goes out. Well, then she has the idea of taking, right before the power goes out,
Starting point is 00:15:09 they're in the middle of the invitation, I didn't want to remind you, they had the idea of taking the arteries from the other foot and like, like Shark Doctor is like, I just have, I have a foot in a bag, holds it up. Well, that's because, so our first mate, his foot is dying because we have delayed him getting to shore for so mate, his foot is dying because we have delayed him getting to shore for so long.
Starting point is 00:15:27 His foot is dying and he's going to lose it and they're trying to save it. So they take an artery from the foot they've amputated from the other guy and they transplant it into him, which is a heck of a thing to do on a cruise ship. Heck of a thing on a boat. There are a lot of things. That should be the name of this show. Heck of a thing on a boat. There are a lot of things that aren't be the name of this show. Heck of a thing on a boat. There are a lot of things that aren't like,
Starting point is 00:15:45 is that something we do? Yes, I mean that is possible. Not on a boat. She literally, gang, she literally pulls this rusty, dusty, crusty, old, as our kids say, old foot in a bag out of a trash can. No, sorry, it is a cooler. It is a cooler.
Starting point is 00:16:02 She pulls it out of a cooler, she's like, I got your urn right here. It's like gross, no thank you of a cooler, she's like, I got your energy spray here. It's like gross. No, thank you. Anyway, the orcas or the sharks attack the ship. Yes. It's orcas. That's right, folks.
Starting point is 00:16:13 It's not just sharks we're worried about. Don Johnson's old enemy killer whales are back with. So I guess now this is what is interesting. Orcas do have been known to attack ships. This is not, I had to look this up. I don't know this cause of medical school. They don't teach you that. Orcas do, and it looks like from what I read,
Starting point is 00:16:32 that they very specifically will attack like rudders of ships, which would, I assume be bad for the ship. And that they also appear to have a behavior like they're teaching each other to do this, which is, all of this is terrifying by the way. I wasn't like not scared of orcas before. Now you're extra. But now I am scared of orcas, I guess,
Starting point is 00:16:51 because they're very smart, we all knew that. And then also they attack ships. And so now the orcas are attacking the Odyssey, which shouldn't matter because it's a giant cruise ship, except it ends up with like, it knocks something which causes a fire, which in order to fix the fire, they have to shut down the power.
Starting point is 00:17:07 So now they're plunged into darkness and they've got three patients basically at this point who are unstable, need antibiotics, need blood, have limbs in various states of amputation. Yes. And they're in darkness. Yes. Credits to be continued.
Starting point is 00:17:26 To be continued. And also to be continued on this podcast episode. Because it's Max Fun Drive time. Sydney, in the past year, I think we've seen the media landscape change so much. We've seen shows fold, we've seen companies collapse, we've seen, really you've seen where people's interests lie. And I think that it has been so,
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Starting point is 00:21:09 Yes, that's right. The orcas are attacking the ship. And what we've learned is that the orcas probably caused the initial ship to sink, because that makes more sense. Yes. But I guess sharks don't usually attack ships. Anyway, but the orcas do,
Starting point is 00:21:27 and they have all these theories, I thought that was fascinating, why do the orcas attack the ships, and they're trying to get people to fall in the ocean to attract sharks that then the orcas will eat? The sharks? Their livers? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:40 So there you go. I don't know if that's true, but they said that on the show. Yeah, and it is, they are scouring the ship for any drugs that they can find. They're running low on supplies. That's another thing that is like, they're running low on supplies,
Starting point is 00:21:53 but we really only ever see those few patients. There's just the three people. Like nobody else comes in. I don't know where all those supplies are going. Well, to be fair, I would bet this is a little more reflective of real life, because what they're running low on specifically are IV antibiotics and blood products.
Starting point is 00:22:11 What are blood products? Like plasma? Like, yes, plasma, blood, blood. So you give people who need blood. I would bet they don't store a lot of those things on cruise ships. I mean, because traditionally you wouldn't think you would need a lot of those things on cruise ships. I mean, because traditionally you wouldn't think you would need a lot of those things on cruise ships.
Starting point is 00:22:26 So I think that actually is pretty realistic, but they started scouring the ship to look for any sort of antibiotics specifically, because right now what you have are, and this is one thing that did, I mean, there's a lot of things that stretch the bounds of credibility medically on this show, right? That's not the point of Dr. Odyssey.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Yes, absolutely. But they, all these patients are becoming septic from their wounds, like immediately. And I will just say that the way infection works is that generally speaking, you do not become septic from a wound infection within hours of receiving the wound. What if you were already a super dirty dog, Sid? What if you were already a super dirty dog
Starting point is 00:23:09 colonized by lots of funky stuff? Could you get septic then? It's actually, there's an acronym, or there's a mnemonic that you learn for post-op infections, and it's W's, there's wind and water and wound and wonder drug, but the point is what are the causes of a post-op fever? And the things that you think of first, like they're in the order of more common things, wound is further down the line. There are other things that cause
Starting point is 00:23:39 fevers, like urinary tract infections or you could have a bug clot. When it has to do with like, adalectis, mean little collapsed areas in the bottoms of your lungs that can cause a fever sometimes. So like a clot or like a UCI. Or a Wusharctive. Wusharctive. No, I think that would be another-
Starting point is 00:23:56 It does happen to me cause the infection. Wonder drug is also like, sometimes antibiotics can cause fevers, which is weird, but it happens. Anyway, wound is further down the line because if somebody just had a surgery and they are gonna get an infection in that wound in that surgery site, you wouldn't expect it to happen overnight.
Starting point is 00:24:13 It takes a while for like the bacteria to grow. I mean, just think about like Petri dishes. You don't like inoculate a Petri dish and then have bacteria on it an hour later, generally speaking, that's not how things work. So the rate at which all these patients become septic is strange and it feels like something that someone should have known, but whatever.
Starting point is 00:24:33 It's because one of them has a shark tooth floating around in her body. They finally reached the distress call earlier, the raft, you know, that they were dealing with. But out there, there's one of the key scenes of the episode where we see, by the way, I don't know if this is important, but Avery, I think, has sort of decided
Starting point is 00:24:47 that Tristan is more deserving of her affections, and she seems to be leaning that way. She plants a smooch of whiskey on him. And then she's in the Tendership. Well, no, they're trying to get the Tendership to shore. They're trying to get the two most critical patients to shore in the Tendership. Yes, I'm jumping forward a little bit.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Shark Doctor and Avery are in the Tendership. Yes, I'm jumping forward a little bit. Shark Doctor and Avery are in the Tendership together and Avery's asking for her feedback on med school. I don't want to get your thought on that scene. Yes, so Avery, as we know from last season, has been accepted to medical school. And so she's asking this fellow female physician for advice on medical school. And I just thought it was so strange.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Surely they have a doctor telling, I don't know. But so the advice was, first of all, you already know everything that's in the lectures because you're a nurse practitioner. Okay, well, that's probably fair. There's probably a lot of overlap there in that training. And so there's probably a lot of stuff that she would know. But then she says, find your favorite professor and go visit them during all their office hours and bring them coffee.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And that's how you'll learn what kind of doctor you wanna be. And it was just the strangest, it's I think maybe for undergrad, like find a mentor to help you or something is good advice maybe. But in medical school, you don't, I mean, first of all, your mentors would probably end up being physicians.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Most of my initial classes were taught by basic science professors, and so they wouldn't have been able to tell me what kind of doctor I wanna be because- They made them so basic, Sid. No. Like, they weren't physicians. And so by the time I started- Whoa, is that what makes them basic?
Starting point is 00:26:27 No, I mean, that's not what I'm, you know what I'm saying. Whoa! I don't know. It was just very strange advice. I mean, like the advice I give when somebody asks me about medical school is study harder than you think you have to in the beginning. It's always easier to dial it back than to get behind
Starting point is 00:26:43 and then try to catch up and learn study skills. Study too much because I mean you're learning a whole new language. It's hard. It's hard and so study as much as you possibly can and then keep an open mind. Try every specialty. Walk into everyone with the mind like maybe I'll love this and then see what happens. She also gives her the advice of in your med school and residency interviews, they're going to ask you if you wanna have kids and you should lie and say you don't. Okay, this is nitpicky.
Starting point is 00:27:15 It is a major match violation to ask residents. And generally speaking, you're not supposed to ask incoming medical students either, but I will speak about the match and residency process. You cannot ask potential residents for your program about their marital status, about anything about their relationship status, about whether they have children,
Starting point is 00:27:38 want to have children, any of that. You cannot ask any of those things. If you even hint that you're trying to figure out if the person in front of you is gonna have kids during their residency, if it is, you can get in so much trouble, you can get so many violations, and I will tell you that we go over this rigorously
Starting point is 00:27:58 every match season with all of the people currently in the program to make sure that no resident makes some, because it's really easy to make some inadvertent comment about like, oh, I had kids during residency, they were so supportive, are you thinking of starting a family? It's so easy to say something
Starting point is 00:28:13 and then you've broken a major rule. That being said, there are always people who break rules, of course, and if you are somebody who's going through this process and somebody asks you one of these inappropriate questions, you should report it because it's unacceptable. Because whether or not you wanna have a family has nothing to do with whether or not
Starting point is 00:28:28 you're gonna be a great match for their program. And obviously we can't expect Dr. Odyssey to be 100% accurate in all things, but I think for this specific thing, I thought it was worth mentioning it just so we don't start to normalize that, right? Like people should know that it's an abnormality and they should know that it's out of line.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Exactly, and they should also know that there are a lot of programs, like the one I went through, where they didn't ask me, they told me from the jump, we're not asking if you wanna have kids, but we are telling you that if you decide to start a family, we will support you, we have special rotations for new parents, and we embrace families
Starting point is 00:29:00 in this family medicine residency. So there are programs out there that are welcome and opening or open and welcoming to that. So was that a problem? Yes, it's why we have rules. I wanted to touch on one of the wilder, sometimes Dr. Ozzy asks its characters to do wild stuff just to keep the plot beats coming.
Starting point is 00:29:19 One of the wilder things in this episode is after the foot is reattached, That's they go to Spencer's bed, First Officer Monroe's bed, and it's empty. And they're like, where is Monroe? And they find him on the stairs. He's like crawling up stairs. Crawling up to where? Like crawling up to the deck. He's like, they need me up there.
Starting point is 00:29:40 It's like, dude, listen, you know, but no one's doing this, right? No one's tossing themselves. He does it again later. He does it twice. They bring him up to the, it's wild. It's such a wild beat. He does it again later. He escapes twice. I thought that was wild.
Starting point is 00:29:55 I thought the use of an acetylene torch to cut through a six inch steel door was pretty wild. To get to the part of the ship where the, the inner, like where the power's, I don't even know what was happening. They had to find where the power was out and they found it and they fixed it.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Yeah, that was part of the, the acetylene torch. And they were like mid, they're looking for the thing while the lights are off and they were like trying to close her up, but they haven't found the thing that's bleeding yet. This is Rumor Willis. Yeah, well you haven't even got, got so rumor Willis is going septic and they don't know why so they have to open Her up and that's who they find a shark tooth inside. I Did want to mention just because it's so funny they
Starting point is 00:30:35 all the doctors are wearing these Flashlights if you can imagine a flashlight that like wraps around their necks with two light like a light on each in like two circles of light sort of where they're a If you can imagine a flashlight that like wraps around their necks with two light like a light on each end like two circles of light sort of where they're a Would you hear collar bones your collar bones would be there's like two beams of light coming down and I swear to god gang They have got him angled exactly on dr. Brook Lane's chest to where they have gotten like discrete Cleavage lighting that she is constantly wearing it every scene. It is one of the wildest things I've ever seen. I feel so Ryan Murphy.
Starting point is 00:31:06 It's like, yeah. So. P.S. by the way, over on 9-1-1, the other Ryan Murphy show this season began with a be-nado is what's happening over there. Oh my gosh. So as you may imagine, they get the energy back on. They use sound cannons to scare off the orcas.
Starting point is 00:31:24 And then they. By the way, one of the most back on, they use sound cannons to scare off the orcas. And then they... By the way, one of the most unfortunate things, I think, as for in terms of the the character on the autism spectrum is very hesitant to use the sound cannons on the whales because he doesn't like loud noises. Yes. Hey, listen. OK, let's calm down a little bit. I think I think, listen, you'd have to really, really hate loud noises to not wanna save yourself
Starting point is 00:31:52 from an attacking orca, I think. They save everybody's life with their many surgeries. They do so many surgeries. A lot of surgeries. They do so many surgeries and they save everyone's life. And then the couple, Rumer Willis and her boyfriend who were in the shark attack get married Thank you immediately after when they wake up from their surgeries and then they said I'll first time people have been married on I
Starting point is 00:32:12 Don't think so. I think we've already had weddings and then they have a Fireworks display to keep the orcas from following them home, which I guess they keep fireworks on the cruise ship And maybe that's standard don't know about that. I would like to point out they freeze Monroe at one point because he's like septic and they're trying to lower, they're trying to freeze him. Oh no, they're trying, yeah, freeze him to save his foot. Anyway, they pull an IV, they say he needs more fluids,
Starting point is 00:32:46 give him cold fluids, which you can do, but they pull an IV bag out of the liquid nitrogen or whatever, I don't know, there's fog everywhere, and it is a glass rectangular. It always looks, everything on this show is designed to death, everything is gold trimmed, you know, forceps and all this nonsense. I still don't know what those little Paul Soxie things
Starting point is 00:33:11 on their fingers are, the things that read their vitals. Like Lady Gaga jewelry. Yeah, it's like, it's wild. It looks like, you know, in the movie death becomes her, the vial with the stuff in it that you drink. Exactly, perfect reference, yeah. Everything in the OR looks like it was designed by whoever made that vial.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Like that's what everything, well I mean don't you think? Like that's a reference that everybody would get. Huge Jeff becomes her energy, yeah. Anyway. Anyway, they saved the day. And Dr. Odyssey sales out for Casino Week next week, so we won't be covering that, because. We won't be covering it, but we will be watching it.
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