Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Dr. Price's Bad Ideas

Episode Date: October 13, 2018

Dr. Price was a dentist with some pretty bad ideas about nutrition. That probably wouldn't have merited an appearance on Sawbones ... except those bad ideas went on to inspire a terrifying modern following. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

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I'm gonna tell you about a doctor named Weston Price. Weston Price is a very doctorily name. I don't know if it's that. You know, he is actually, I should be clear, when I say doctor, I mean doctor of dentistry, he is a dentist. Who was a dentist? Yeah, I could tell from the,

the, the sneer in your voice that he was an doctor like you, you can't stand at sitting. I'd have no, I have no beef with dentists. What was the last time you took a dentist? That has nothing to do with my like me disliking dentist. Raise your hand if it's over a decade. She's raising her hand folks.

I'm not. I am crying so ashamed. More so than most people, I'm I am appreciative of dentists because in medical school, they don't teach you a lot about teeth. I am beginning to wonder if that's on purpose because we don't want to steal anything from the dentists. I assume that they do teach you how you should feel about dentists. You have to be taught to hate and fear. You have to be taught to hate and fear. You have to be taught from year to year. You have to be carefully taught. And that's how Sydney learned to despise dentistry.

Okay. And it's practice. None of this is true. I love dentists. And you know, there are dentists and dental hygienists. They're listening and they think you're serious. I love dentists. I am so appreciative of what you do. And health is incredibly important and I am not going to knock on doctor price because he was a dentist. I'm not going to honor because of all the stuff that he did. But you're enjoying it because he was a dentist. No. The divide between medicine and dentistry is called the historic rebuff and that's an episode that we'll do eventually because that's an amazing name. But I have no rebuff for I will not rebuff dentist. They are wonderful. But not so much Dr. Price.

You live from 1870 to 1948. He was a Canadian dentist, practiced a lot in Cleveland, Ohio, and if you believe his followers today because this stuff persists today as we'll get into, today because this stuff persists today as we'll get into. He is the Isaac Newton of nutrition. That's what they call him. It's a good name. Isaac Newton of nutrition. I'd love to be the Isaac Newton of nutrition. If the optional is still available, I would love to sign up for that. There are many in the dental field and I'm not in the dental field, but I will also be one of the

people who now think of him as the patron saint of quack, crack, quack, excuse me, patron saint of quack dentistry because he was wrong about some stuff. So he may have started out as just a regular dentist, just doing the dentist thing, but he didn't end up that way. He was, there was a debate at the time when he was practicing dentistry about root canal therapy. Okay. Before I get into that debate, do you, do you want to explain what a root canal is?

Yeah, I've had one. It's sort of the way, okay. I had to look this up because again, I feel like maybe even doctors know less than the average person about dentistry. They did dig a hole into your tooth down the middle, and then they take out the tooth scuts. Yeah, more or less. And then you put stuff back in, like inner substance.

Cotton, whatever. No, it's like a rubbery, it's called a gutta perchah. Gutta perchah? Yeah, which is like a tree. It's like a resin, a rubbery substance for a tree. And they stick it down in there. So yeah, they dig out the infected or inflamed pulp and put the inner substance in there instead.

And you do that because again, a tooth is either infected for some reason or it's been damaged in some sort of trauma and so it's all inflamed inside, something like that. It's causing you a lot of pain, right? Or like, in a case of an infection, it can make you really sick. So that's a root canal. And for a long time, if your tooth was jacked up, you know, medically speaking, they would just yank it out, right? Just go and like, barber surgeons did that. You know, lots of people we've talked about at Old Tommy Medicine shows, they would just yank it out, right? Right. Just go and like, Barbara

surgeons did that, you know, lots of people we've talked about at old-time medicine shows, they would like put somebody up on stage and yank a bunch to teeth out as fast as possible so people would watch because there wasn't TV yet. Because they're nasty. But there were other smarter dentists who said, you know what, I don't think we should be pulling all these teeth out because if you lose all your teeth, it's hard to eat. And that's a major problem actually. See, I do know some things about teeth.

That is a major problem as we get older if you've lost your teeth and you don't have false teeth or dentures or anything. Eating and nutrition can become a big issue in our elderly population. And so it's really important to keep your teeth healthy and to keep your teeth, period. So there had to be a better way and root canals were the better way. There has to be a better way.

Because with a root canal, you can save a tooth instead of just digging it out of there. But there were still people at this point in history who were nervous about it. There were some trepidation. Should we, should trepidation know that won't help your teeth? No trepidation, that's not a theory. No trepidation.

Trepidation. Trepidation, okay, got it. But anyway, so Dr. Price got into this debate and said, you know, I'm kind of falling on the side that I think root canals are doing more harm than good. I think we should just be yanking all these teeth out, because what he believed is what he came to call the focal infection theory.

And what that meant is that when you do a root canal, you kind of open up pathways, like by drilling down into the tooth and removing stuff, you're opening up pathways for bacteria and germs and other organisms to get bacteria and germs and other organisms to get in and invade and hide. And you're opening up this way for secret infections to form in your mouth. Most tantalizing kind of infections, scandalous.

Secret infections. Dolgents. Instead of secret confessions. Secret infections. So they're hiding in your mouth. And as a result, they can cause all kinds of diseases. So he was linking these perceived secret oral infections to systemic diseases, things like arthritis or anemia or acne or all kinds of stomach and gut disorders, all kinds of GI tract problems.

He basically said that all this stuff could be traced back to a focal infection in the mouth and root canals were opening people up to these. So instead of doing a root canal, he said, you know, the better thing to do is just pull the tooth out. And then you don't risk creating this focal infection. That seems rational enough. I mean, it's like the, if you don't know anything about dentistry, that sounds... Wow, Sid.

Okay. Well, I mean... Going a little hard, but that's fine. Just saying, then that sounds like, well, maybe that's true, but the thing is, it's not true. The focal infection theory is wrong. Now, he published his works and it was, there was a lot of controversy

because they were already debating how best to manage, you know, some indedental disease inside the tooth. And they, this created a lot of, a lot more people be worried about it, and you know, being concerned, like maybe, maybe we're on the wrong track. I don't know, this guy published all these papers and he's saying that this is my life.

I mean, honestly, if I had known he was a fellow author, I would have never agreed to besmirch him in this way. Us authors have to stick together, you say. I'm not gonna stick with this guy. Okay. So he, and he was, and these works that he published, so he published dental infections and related to generative diseases

and dental infections, oral and systemic, and they were even like used as references in textbooks in the mid 1930s. So he made some headway with these ideas, this concept that a lot of human disease could be traced back to secret infections in the mouth. The problem is that he was wrong and most dental professionals knew this. So as quickly as these ideas were being adopted, they were kind of being disputed and then rejected. So it's interesting.

Maybe dentists are just better at this than doctors because you don't see like these ideas about the focal infection theory in like invade dentistry and take root and hold on for years to come. Like it was really in the same time in the 30s that people were starting to read his works that everybody was summarily saying no, no, no, no, no, don't pull teeth out. Don't do this. This is a bad thing. And people started really critiquing the work that he did, the studies that he did to try to prove these theories. They were bad science. There were a lot

of flaws in the design of his studies. He had a lot of technical limitations and there were a lot of ways that he interpreted the data that wasn't completely accurate, coming to conclusions that you couldn't really make. They didn't have control groups in a lot of the studies, you know, a group that you didn't do something to to compare the group you did stuff to. He did a lot of studies in rabbits, a lot of the stuff that he was basing this on was stuff he did in rabbits. And he would use really high, like, amounts of bacteria to create these infections that he could then treat and stuff in his sample in an excessive doses that you wouldn't necessarily see. And then also, there were all kinds of experimental biases because people would have bacterial

contamination during tooth extractions as well. So anyway, his studies were poorly designed, his conclusions were flawed. Everybody figured that out. And while he was going around pulling out everybody's teeth, everybody else said, this isn't, no, no, we're not doing this. So dentistry is a whole reject it. Which is why we still have root canals, right? Right.

Like that, that persisted. So now you have this problem, you go to the dentist, they're not just going to yank or tooth out right away. They're going to try to do a root canal, save the tooth, save your ability to keep eating, you know, preserve your nutrition forever. Got it. So if that was...

No, we fixed it. Well, that was easy. I know. Good job, everybody. Dentists, right? Dentists are better at this, I think. Dentists have it on lock. But that wasn't enough for Dr. Price,

because if he wasn't going to make a mark for himself by convincing dentists to yank everybody's teeth out He was going to make a mark for himself some other way. So he started to research instead the connection between nutrition and dental disease And then again his goal just as it was with the focal infection theory, his goal was to link all this to illness as a whole, to help to our general wellness and health. So it's not just about eating in a way that results in good dental hygiene. It's eating in a way that preserves your oral health, which will therefore prevent disease in the rest of your body or manage disease or treat disease, right?

Food is medicine. Yeah, it's food is medicine. It's food is medicine for your mouth and by way of your mouth, the rest of you. It's that kind of makes sense. So he was trying to figure out what the ideal diet was to do this and the way that he decided to figure this out was to travel the world and Basically catalog what people ate all over the world. I mean he went everywhere from you know very Urban societies industrialized places to like tribal populations and and you know people like all over the spectrum and on every continent He went everywhere sounds like like get a camera on the sky you got a a travel show going

He took 15,000 photos of teeth the Phil Rosentholfe this day Except he came back with a 15,000 photos of teeth. Because what he would do is he would... That I would like to ascend my offer on this television program. I don't think a bunch of still images of teeth is gonna be great TV. Can you imagine if you like broken do its house because you wanted to like steal his TV

and you found 15,000 like a pile of 15,000 pictures of teeth. I screwed up. How fast would you run? I made a huge mistake. How fast would you bolt? I'm so sorry. I've made a massive, massive miscalculation. So he went, he interviewed people.

He asked them about their diet and they took pictures of their teeth. And he began to come up with what he thought was like the ideal diet based on how great a person's teeth were. Like the better their teeth were, the better their diet must be the healthier they must be. So I'm gonna come up with this great diet. What he began to find was a theme. People in the less developed world,

like specifically like tribal populations, had better dental health, they had fewer cavities, and therefore, he believed were probably healthier overall. Now, I don't, I didn't get a sense that he was necessarily studying that because he wasn't, he was a dentist. So his, his focus was oral health, but it was kind of the assumption that if you're oral health, if you got your teeth in order, you must be really healthy otherwise. Okay.

So he began to theorize that specifically, the Western diet was responsible for bad teeth. So he wanted to revolutionize the Western diet by taking it back to its primitive origins, I suppose. Okay, like what exactly? Well, I'm going to tell you what his dietary program was and still is. Oh, no. But first, let's go to the billion department.

Let's go. The medicines, the medicines that I skill in my cards for the mouth. So Sid, you're going to tell me about Dr. Price's plan. That's right. So save us all. I'm gonna go through, there were a lot of points to this plan and I'm not gonna go through every single one. I'm just gonna try to kind of hit some of the highlights.

Some of this stuff isn't like bad advice. There's a lot of kind of what you might hear today eat whole unprocessed foods. Sure. He was a big of kind of what you might hear today eat whole unprocessed foods. Sure. He was a big proponent of meat. He was all about eating like beef, lamb, organ meat, poultry, eggs, like eat a lot of meat. He was all about that and fish. He was all about fish. Big into like make sure that it's wild and that the water isn't polluted and that kind

of thing. Sure, right. He was very much into dairy products, but he was insistent that this stuff should be raw. He was quite anti-pasturization, because you know, then you get all those yummy germs out of there. I get that good stuff. So he was very much into the idea of raw milk. That is a theme throughout a lot of his work. Animal fats are important, so lots of butter, lots of cream, lots of lard, that kind of stuff. Vegetable oils, he was big on cod liver oil, specifically, and basically everybody should take it.

He just thought it was the perfect super food that caught that. They're never- If it's your weird burps, right? It's your weird burps. Any kind of fish can, any fish oil can. But specifically, codler oil was the one that he wanted everybody to use. Of course, I mean, again, like good stuff, fresh fruits and vegetables. And you can eat some whole grains, although you thought grains in general were not great.

Well, that's not that far off, right? Well, to the extent that like maybe grains are the reason we have human cancers. Well, that may be a little overzealous. I would say. Big and defremented foods, sure, that's fine. Had specific salts, like what I found was like a specific Celtic salt that everybody should go find and buy. Okay. I'm not sure.

Obviously traditional sweeteners, not the fake stuff. Unpasturized wine or beer. Unpasturized wine or beer, cook only in stainless steel cast iron glass or a NAML. Use only natural food based supplements, get plenty of sleep exercising natural light sure. Get, get, get, get, get. Here's the last piece of this is dietary advice. Think positive thoughts and practice forgiveness.

That's good advice though. That's dietary advice. That's good advice. You think positive dietary advice. That's good advice. You think positive thoughts on positively gonna eat vegetables today. I mean, I have no problem with thinking positive thoughts or practicing forgiveness. I think those are excellent things to do. I don't know what they have to do with your diet.

You forgive yourself for eating so much pizza. You think positively about the pizza you'll eat later. It makes perfect sense to me. A lot of this diet was what was, he, what he called the primitives diet. I want to eat like the primitives do, meaning less developed societies. They all died.

They all died so young. So it really, a lot of this did not take into consideration that in some cases, it wasn't that people were healthier, it's just different. The health issues are different. Specifically, he was going to populations that maybe had issues with undernourishment, with malnourishment.

That's a very different constellation of chronic diseases and problems that affect a community like that, then one that is maybe suffering from an abundance of unhealthy foods, right? Like more like our Western society. So he felt victim to what we would, what has been referred to as the quoting myth of the healthy savage. So the idea that people who are more in tune with nature live healthier because

they live more like we are like our ancestors used to. Right. And all of this is based on a lot of stereotypical like prejudicial beliefs about, you know, people who are native to certain parts of the world and indigenous cultures and things like that. It's also tied to like the natural fallacy. Precisely. The idea that if we just did things a lot more like we did 200 years ago, we'd all be better off, which I think we have categorically proven is not. Definitely not.

No, it's not necessarily true. Definitely not 500 years ago. No. You'd actually be better served for 600 years ago rather than getting into the, the, the, those, the Northern Italy. Yeah, really. Um, and so he thought we need to turn to a less advanced way of like growing food, of storing food, of preparing food, and then we'd all be healthier, which is where all like the raw stuff comes in. But raw meat in general, raw shellfish, raw anything, is part of this program.

And then of course, like I said, don't pasteurize stuff. And it's important when I throw that out there, raw milk was a huge cause of foodborne illness until pasteurization became a thing. So drink raw milk is very dangerous advice that I am not giving you. I realize that's sent it. I need to do not drink raw milk. Let me try that again. Yeah. Raw like kind of I know there's a raw food movement, but I feel kind of like raw. A lot of stuff. I would prefer rather not like it's very rarely used to connotate like

good ingest go. No. Well, and I don't think the raw food movement And I'm not an expert on the where I'm not I've never you know, that's not my lifestyle I've never only eaten raw food, but I don't think they mean go eat raw meat They probably I would imagine meat is not a big part of no, I'm I think I'm fairly certain that it's more of a it's like a vegan diet Isn't it all vegetarian? Yeah, no, listen, I love to cook broccoli, and I'm fairly certain that it's more of a, it's like a vegan diet, isn't it? I don't know. I don't know if it's a plant-based diet. Listen, I love to cook broccoli, and I'm never gonna change. I've seen videos of people making like raw food pizzas

and different things, and I've never seen them. That's not Pete you queer. If you've ever made raw food pizza, pretend I'm grabbing you by the cheeks. I have no problem. I'm squishing your face. No problem, that's not pizza. Look at you by the cheeks. I have no problem. I'm squishing your face. No problem. That's not pizza.

Look at me in the eye. That's not pizza. What like Daniel Tiger does, I put 30 cucumbers and 40 tomatoes on their mom. Is it pizza now? No Daniel, it's not. You didn't make pizza, Doc. Oh God, it draws you wild. Every pizza he makes on the show, which he does like every episode.

Better vegetarians though. Better vegetarians, which like me. every episode. Better vegetarians though. I have no idea which like, Hey, everybody, I love it. I love what you're going for. They are tigers. I mean, please, they're tigers though. Please, that's miseducation for our children.

And their pizzas look so whack. It's this green peppers. It's a veggie rainbow, Justin. It's a veggie rainbow, Justin. It's a veggie rainbow. That's fine, Daniel, it's not pizza. You've been driven mad by your lack of meat in your tiger diet. I have no problem if people want to eat raw food.

I am saying don't eat raw. Don't drink raw milk. That's what I'm saying. It looks incredible. And I'd be very careful with raw meat I put on one of those people who like once it all cooked I just want to just cook it just cook it just I don't want to take any chances I'll have some ceviche from time to time. I'm gonna cook it for me. I count will ceviche

Just cook it for me. Yeah, yeah So why is this why does this matter now? So he came up with a wild diet and he had some Some thoughts about dentistry that turned out to be wrong We shuffled him off to the nails of time. So why does this matter so Price developed what is called holistic dentistry now holistic dentistry which I hate the I hate when the word holistic gets used this way. Holistic is a good way to look at people, and we're talking about like medical care, dental care, healthcare in general, like to look at a whole person.

Holistic is a good thing, but then it gets used in something like this. And holistic dentistry, as far as I could tell, means like, let's allow for these ideas that this guy had that are wrong. Right. And that's not holistic, that's wrong. Let's try to sort them out of things that work and that don't. Yes.

So there was like a nonprofit that was established in 1952 to include holistic dentistry. And that wasn't a big, they have an archive of all of his works, but that wasn't a big deal. The big deal is foundation, the West and A Price Foundation that was co-founded in 1999, because a lot of his research was like resurfaced in the 90s and then tossed around

among various medical and dental circles and nutritional circles. It's like, look, this guy had this idea once and everybody thought he was wrong, but hey, maybe we'll buy it anyway. And so this foundation was formed in 1999 and it's going strong still. It's based on his research and it has like 13,000 members now.

Sidney, you sent me a link to the webpage and I'm dead now. I'm dead. I'm worried because if you look at their web page, it doesn't immediately, it is not immediately obvious that it is. It's all wrong. I don't like if you read it and you know, you that it is all wrong. I don't like if you read it and you know, you know it's wrong. But sometimes you look at a website and you go, okay, well, who made this? This is not real. There's this a little better done than that,

which is a little disturbing. So what does this foundation endorse? So we've got his diet, great, you got that diet, but they go much farther than that So in order in addition to following this this very This very fat filled diet. It's very very fatty the whole diet Oh, I want animal fats and things. They also are anti-flooride Why not sure? Okay. They believe high cholesterol. I mean, I can, okay, we just said why not.

No, that's bad and wrong. I guess I mean, as long as it's gonna get a bunch of more emails for fluoride people, but like, sorry. Sorry, it was one of the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century. Yes, fluoride is good. They do not believe that. They think fluoride is bad.

They think that high cholesterol as you get older is good and is associated with positive health outcomes, except sometimes it's not, not clear when, but then you should take artichoke and that'll fix it. They're against mercury, like the amalgam fillings that have mercury. There's a lot of people who will tell you that those are causing like secret disease

and you need to get them removed or you're gonna have toxins or something. And so they're among those people. They have some weird ideas about breastfeeding. I got deep into these breastfeeding articles where they're basically arguing that breastfeeding sounds good and everything. But if mom doesn't eat this kind of diet, then her milk is essentially useless. And so then she shouldn't breastfeed. So a person should not breastfeed if they if they don't follow this diet. And then in that case, they actually recommend a that you make baby formula on your own. Don't buy formula. That's what they say. If you're not going to breastfeed, don't buy formula, make homemade baby formula out of cow or goat milk that

is unpasteurized to feed your newborn. This is extremely dangerous, by the way. This is beyond just like, well, that seems wrong. This is incredibly dangerous. They obviously are going to include a lot of homeopathic remedies in here. There's tons of different treatments, homeopathic treatments. Oh my God, this web site. They have chelation therapy is one of the things they promote.

They believe sunlight prevents melanoma. What can you just... They blame... Where's the notamus when you need them to take away down? They blame autism on abnormal gut flora, and they tell you that if you just eat the right diet you can cure your child's autism They Are anti-vax you knew that was coming You knew that was coming that you do not need vaccinations because one they're dangerous chemicals and two

You can prevent all childhood diseases with the proper diet this there is a Help have so many more. There's a headline of help us make raw milk legal in the last seven states. You... They have lots of calls to action on there. They have, under the vaccine section, they have a whole area where you can like,

find out about vaccine laws that are being passed in different states. So you can call and yell at them if they're trying to make it harder to skirt vaccines. They also have advice on how to like get an exemption, a medical exemption. Basically, how to lie. It's how to, I mean, to fraudulently get your child out of vaccines. To lie. Yeah. They have, they they have advice on that. Lawyers that you can hire to help you fight vaccines

because you want your child to get preventable diseases and be sick, I guess. They also have some things like, they are big proponents of the idea that electromagnetic radiation is causing things like ADHD and autism, or at the very least that mercury is causing ADHD and autism, and electromagnetic radiation prevents us from excreting mercury. How could you just spring this on me at the end of the episode?

And this is like a real website. I'm looking at it. WestonAprice.org. It is amazing. So what? They tell you, they tell you, I thought you would like this Justin. So here's your protocol to lower your EMR exposure. Turn off Wi-Fi at night for at least 12 hours.

I don't know what a cat, five or six ethernet cable is, but you're supposed to use those. Unplug all cordless phones, keep all mobile devices, six feet from children, turn them off in the car. Don't use any wireless technologies day or night for two weeks when you start. It's like an EMR detox, I suppose. Perfect, yes, yes, perfect, yes. And finally, this is the best. From the breaker box, turn off the electricity

to your child's bedroom at night. Keep a flashlight in there, because they don't have electricity. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. a flashlight in there because they don't have electricity. You imagine how mad you'd be at your parents. Oh my god. Where did you read this on a website? What? They believe measles is a cure for a kidney disorder called nephrodic syndrome that if you

give people measles, it'll cure it. They think that strep infections will cure cancer. They believe in treating herpes with St. John's Ward. Spanish fly for sunburns. Don't get tetanus vaccines. Just clean the wounds really well and eat the right things. And they also believe that vaccination makes patients susceptible to HIV and hepatitis C. I could keep going.

There's so many, anyway. I don't. I won't. I was like, all. They have a, can I just tell you, they have a one, they have detoxes, they tell you that you don't need detoxes and they also have detoxes. And they say that there's one, you know you might have one specific intoxication, I don't know, you're toxic. If you have a consistent, overly loud voice, a red face, hard and rigid pressure points, strong body odor, strong pulse, and a thick yellow coatingule coating on your tongue. If you have all that, then you have a toxin and so to detox it, then you just, you eat

this diet and then you also need to have a lot of fermented drinks and then some vitamin C and some dandelion. This is hell. I mean, I'm an actual... I'm assuming cod liver oil. Also they do recommend coffee animals because of course, they do. But don't drink coffee. They actually say coffee is really bad for you unless you

scored it up your butt. Then it's fine. Then it's fine. That's fine. So anyway, they are peddling this misinformation. The vaccine stuff just makes me all the stuff. But yeah, all of it. I mean, all of it does, but they're their advocates against science. There's basically, I saw one comment, one critique of it, science-based medicine did a great, their website, they did a great, like, take down of this website.

But I saw one person say, basically, if you wanna know what to do for your health, look on this website and do everything the opposite. They just get it. Just completely wrong. Completely wrong. It means a prank. Is it maybe a prank?

No. Wanna Terry who tweeted this at us to check it out, made the point that they get like 58 million hits or something. They get crazy hits. This website gets crazy hits. I mean, it's out there disseminating lots of misinformation at a high volume.

All based on, I almost feel a little sorry for this doctor price, because I don't think he bought all this. I don't think this was his intended legacy. I think what he wanted was people to eat more animals. Sorry, if you don't like to eat animals, but I think that's what he wanted. I think he wanted you to eat a lot of meat, eat a lot of oil, and eat a lot of vegetables,

and cookin' a calf siren and still skill it and think positive thoughts. And like, I'm not gonna take the guy to task for that stuff. I don't know that he intended for his legacy to be all this complete quackery. Complete nonsense. Well, complete quackery. Complete quackery. Thank you, Sydney, for this infuriating offering. I appreciate you sharing it with us. Thank you for listening to our show. We hope that you have enjoyed it.

Get your flu shots. Get your flu shots right now. And you will be happy that you did. We got ours. We've probably even waited a little bit longer than we should have, but that's life. The important thing is that we're getting them. I want to say thank you to the taxpayers for the use of our medicines as the intro and

outro program. Thanks to Max from Fun Network, for having us as a part of their extended podcasting family. Bit.ly-forthslash-the-solbundsbook is where you can get our book. You can also come see us the Saturday, October 13th. That's tomorrow, if you're listening to this today. Wow, it's got confusing. Books of million in Huntington, West Virginia on the 27th will be in Charleston and 17th. I don't know why I keep doing this order. Our child is now eating the windscreen. This infant is eating the windscreen.

This is parenting at its finest. That's gonna do it for us folks. So until next week, my name is Justin McRoy. I'm Sydney McRoy. As always, don't drill a hole in your head. Alright! Maximumfund.org Comedy and Culture Artistone

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