Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Ginger

Episode Date: December 9, 2016

It's the perfect time of year for gingerbread cookies, but what do you do with all that excess ginger? Well, maybe put it in a horse's butt? No, no, don't do that. But some people do. All that and more on this week's history of ginger. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Saubones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books. One, two, one, two, three, four. Hello, Reyn. Welcome to Saul Bones, a metal tour of Miscite Admedicine, I'm your co-host Justin Tyler McElroy.

And I'm Sydney Smirl, McElroy. Trying to make this sound a little more professional, you know? For, really, Sydney Ann, McElroy. No. Smirl, Sydney Ann, Smirl, McElroy, Dumple Ann, got... Why is this relevant? We're just trying to sound more professional. City, the holidays are here again.

And as Tom Petty would say, it's just a solver again. Is that what Tom Petty says? Yeah, if you listen to lyrics that song, it's a little bit cynical. I just listen to it for the first time. It seems a little cynical to me, but anyway. It's kind of like a little cynical to me, but anyway.

It's kind of like a world-wherey like, oh, Christmas is here again. Like, that was my Tom Petty. That's pretty much what he sounds like. Yeah, I gave him Dylan. Anyway, this is the Christmas time is here again. And the Macroly House means one Sydney purchased that the Macro House means one Sydney

Purchase three snowmen that Blair jingle bells 24 hours a day outside Our dining room and relatable that I found in it Charlie loves inflatable So they should call some more buddies and this one It's an inflatable that all lights up and play jingle bells and it lights up to the jingle bells like it's synchronized Yeah, it's music It's very loud and it lights up to the Jingle Bells. Like it's synchronized to the music. It's very loud and it is outside and I apologize. I'm taking this moment to apologize to our neighbors. Yeah, sorry about that game. Perpurchasing the side of.

Sorry about our entire first floor, our home, which is permeated with the, the echoes of Jingle Bells. Anyway, the other thing it means is just making, baking up a storm. We realized we hadn't had cookies and then we just made some coconut. You did. Chocolate chip. I can't think of it.

And then some peanut butter cookies, like four and green peanut butter cookies because we realized it's chocolate and chocolate. We've been making cookies. Justin's quite the baker. Thanks. You are. It's true.

You're very good at baking. It stresses me out sometimes because you're a perfectionist baker. Thanks. You are. It's true. You're very good at baking. It's just me out sometimes because you're a perfectionist baker. A little bit. And you get very upset. And it's not going to be any else in baking as far as I'm concerned. But anyway, you know, you haven't made though.

What? You haven't made any gingerbread. That's true, Sydney. I ever. To my recollection. Yeah, that's true. I know it's traditional. I just am not a big. I don't know. I've

never been a big like gingerbread kind of person. I guess I could give it a whirl. I guess I always think of it as kind of hard. It's a little bit hard and not very pleasant to eat. But to be fair, that is because my only experience with it. Well, I mean, I've eaten gingerbread cookies before I guess, but primarily is just as a building material for construction work. That just becomes inevitably. Gingerbread houses are the worst. Where can we just, I know what you want to talk about. I'm assuming ginger.

I'm going to talk about ginger. Okay, before you do that, gingerbread houses are the worst. You bring something into your home that looks like so delectable. And then you say, I can't eat you. You're a decoration. Don't eat this. And then it say, I can't eat you, you're a decoration. Don't eat this.

And then it's December 26 and you're like, what's up? I guess what? You're not a decoration anymore. Now you're consumable. And it's inedible. No, it's not a consumable. It's no, it's no. It's no longer not.

No, it is, no, it's just to be thrown away. It's a nightmare. There are nibbles off of our gender-red house, though. Yeah. I'm assuming that was Charlie, though. Mm-hmmbles off of our gingerbread house though. Yeah. I'm assuming that was Charlie though. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Is that you? Are you slowly eating the house?

That was the only thing I could think of is if I slowly ate it, then it would like, that was the only way I could strike back. Slowly, sneakily eating Charlie's gingerbread house? Because if I do it slow, she won't notice. It's just sitting out there. She's gonna notice. She's not gonna notice.

I'm gonna tell her that she did it. She's two and a quarter. She doesn't know what she did. I'll tell her she did it. She knows. She remembers everything. So what's the new ginger, Sydney? I know that I have my own things

that I rely on ginger for, but what's it mean? Like the full scope? Well, thank you to Catherine and Stephanie and Sean for recommending this topic. Ginger obviously has some medical... I was gonna say uses, but I mean, there's, I guess there are some medicinal uses and then things that it is used for that are thought to be medical. How about that? Was that a maybe medical applications? Yeah. Because application implies that it is being applied, but not that it is useful,

but that not that it is doing anything. Ginger, the plant, the name we're talking about here is Zinjibur, aficionally. I like Zinjibur. Zinjibur. I like that. I kind of wish we just called ginger that. Yeah, I can see what that would be an outfall though. Yeah, it comes, actually the word ginger comes from the middle English ginger beer. Hmm, it's just the word for it. There you go, in case you wondered.

Yeah. I like that better too, but it dates back like 3,000 years originally from a Sanskrit word that meant horn root because if you look at the root of the edible part, the part that we use in medicine and it looks like a horn. It looks like a horn, right? Did you know that ginger no longer grows in the wild? What? Did not know this, fascinating. Really? We are not entirely certain where really? We are not entirely certain where ginger first grew in the wild. Certainly it did at some point. Probably somewhere in Southeast Asia, but it does not grow wild anymore. It is now only cultivated. Weird. It has cultivated many places, like it dates back to ancient China. It was cultivated in India for a very long time.

And then it has spread from there and has now grown many other places in the world. But ginger does not grow wild. I did not know that, that's wild. I didn't know that either. It is the member of the same family as turmeric and cardamom turmeric, which is also something we could do a whole show on

because it has medical applications. Make it that point. Yeah, I'm sure we will. There is a legend that a baker on the island of Rhodes made the first gingerbread in 2400 BCE. Wow. That dates back. We're pretty stale by now.

And he made it into a house just a torture Justin. The Egyptians and the Romans did make gingerbread. We know that. So this is that application for ginger is very old. And ginger was very important for trading. Really? It was a highly prized like along the Silk Road. It was a highly prized spice. A lot of spices were, but ginger was among the most. It was sent to the Roman Empire, often traded through that route, largely from medicinal purposes in that time. But it was also widely used for flavoring because ginger, it's a strong flavor, kind of a spicy.

Very spicy flavor. And it's very good at disguising the taste of preserved meat, which I also took to mean disguising the taste. Of rotten meat. Of rotten meat. You mean to say yes, because it is 2400 B.C. Meat that was intended to be preserved, but maybe has gone a little rogue. You could put ginger in a lot of things. It would probably hide some roast flavors.

Yeah, you could see it. I read that Cleopatra gave it to Mark Antony. There was a beverage that she made with nutmeg and mace and ginger. And it was thought that perhaps this was being used as an aphrodisiac. Oh, okay. It should make sense.

Spicy. Spicy. Warm. Spicing is out. In ancient times, I've also read that it was used for bathing new babies. It was thought to be, like, well, in a while,

like you make some ginger and water and give your baby a bath in it. So, not like a ton of ginger, but it was thought to fight aging and preserve youth and kind of beautify the skin, like give you a glow. So, it feels like a bit of a panacea. We're getting to that, yeah.

Okay. Now, Hippocrates wrote about ginger. Of course, we're kind of going to be referencing the humoral system of medicine, the four humors, which Hippocrates. Blood, bile, flim. You got it. And black. Bile.

There's two kinds of bile. Black bile. So, I I mean, you like bile flim, just divide bile up into yeah, it's, it's a good. You have learned the humoral system medicine, which has zero application to today's modern medicine. Okay, smart. I'll look me on. Hypocrity's thought of gender as a dry, warming herb. And that's, that's because a lot of your, your, your purpose as a medical practitioner back then was to

balance these four humors by if you had too much of a cold humor giving you something warm or too much of something wet in your body, you would give you something dry. Oh, all balanced. Exactly. Exactly. So if you had a cold condition, especially a cold wet condition, ginger would be a good treatment for it. It would stimulate your metabolism, stimulate your liver. In this way, it would evaporate excess fluid and flim. So if you had something that was thought to produce a lot of flim, if you were found to have an overabundance of flim, ginger would be good for that.

I feel like that makes sense to me. I could see where you would get, because I think anything that has that real strong bite to it, like, gender or stuff like capsaicin, like definitely has like a capsaicin, no, that's not the right word. You know, stuff like hot stuff. Yeah, you're right.

Capsaicin. Like hot stuff definitely has that sense that you're, that has been cleared out. That you're opening up your side. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that's probably where some of this came from. That sensation you get, if you eat a lot of raw ginger or something, yeah, wasabi does that too.

It could be, it was also thought it could be used for expectorating the flim. So like breaking up the flim and helping you cough it out. And so, especially, you would say, it's especially good at expectorating. My what a guy that ginger. Cold conditions were largely things that you I mean this kind of fits cold flu bronchitis sinusitis you know respiratory conditions any kind of pulmonary issue gout for that's a cold condition. Same idea, ginger would have been used for that. So it was a very popular herb, so to speak, in the Hippocratic medicinal cabinet.

I wonder what, probably not how much crystallized, right? Like we probably weren't to that point yet. No, the practice of preserving and crystallizing in all the different ways you can use ginger came along later. Not too much later, though. We figured and all the different ways you can use ginger came along later. Not too much later though. We figured out all the different ways to use ginger pretty soon, but at this time we're probably talking more about either the raw root or powdered forms of it, drying it out and grinding it down. But also just there were lots of applications that involved like the like chopping up the raw ginger very, very fine. Eventually, obviously, we found ways to preserving it.

And you'll see like preserved ginger, like the pink ginger that comes with your sushi. Sure, yeah. It's like a form of preserved ginger. Pickling. Yeah, pickling. And then like you mentioned crystallized ginger and dried ginger and all that kind of stuff. Initial applications were more the powder, the raw root. Plenty did not, our buddy Plenty, Plenty the Elder did not write a lot about ginger. Let us down.

Unfortunately, other than to say that he really liked the smell and a lot of people seem to use it. That's such a... So, here's what comes to watching after on Ginger, that everybody... He had to be a few books in, right? That point he's like, what should I write about? He's just tired. Ginger, okay? I don't use it. I like the smell. A lot of other people use it anyway. Next chapter. It's actually in a chapter that's not even about ginger. It's about pepper. And he starts to talk about how some people

confuse pepper and ginger, but ginger's definitely something else. And ginger is definitely something people use and smells good, but not pepper. And then he goes on to talk more about pepper. So if you're wondering how plenty it's a well, remember he lived in an era where people confuse pepper and ginger.

There's spicy, I don't know. I see, and with ER. Oh. In ancient Indian medicine, it was also used for gout, just like it was in Greek medicine, as well as for indigestion and for elephantitis. Elephantitis, really, that's an odd application of it, because it seems like that would be pretty, I'm always confused when I hear about

like anything exterior being treated with this stuff, because like, you do that once, right? And it doesn't work. It doesn't work. And it's like, well, that definitely was made up. Like, hey, should we write this down? Or came up with one, maybe Ginger for Elven Titus? Should we write it down?

It was like, did you try it? No, I didn't try it. We'll try it real quick. Okay, no, nevermind. We probably, let's go ahead and write it down because we already, I don't know, we don't have a lot of ink because it's olden time until we already wrote it.

I almost got you down, but like, that one is that one's a bust. Let's, in the next edition. Just say it enough. It was somebody who sold Ginger. We made that up. Yeah. But we know this from doing solbons

Is that just because something didn't work It doesn't mean we didn't work It was I mean that we didn't try it over and over and over and believe in it really hard and keep advising it to this day I'm a cure for elephantitis is there like there's not not treatment for that, right? It depends. It depends on what the cause, I mean. It seems like a longer conversation. Yeah, this is a longer conversation. Fair enough.

It's not ginger, can I say that? It ain't ginger. It ain't ginger. It's not ginger. It was called the Great Medicine and the Universal Cure. We already expected that. In traditional Chinese medicine, it was and continues to be advised for conditions of the spleen, the lung, the stomach, and then also for thinning mucus again. It was, as I mentioned, it was a very important

trade commodity. And in the 13th and 14th century, you could trade a pound of ginger for the same cost as a sheep. So there's your reference point. It cost exactly one sheep unit. So there's your reference point. It costs exactly one sheep unit. One, it's, how many is it? It's a sheep. It's a sheep. It's a sheep. A sheep.

So that, I think that's expensive. Seem you expensive? I mean, that's a whole like animal life. I mean, yeah, I'm like, you can do whatever you want with it. It's your sheep. Careful. I mean, not anything. No, careful.

I mean, get your halogutters, bro. Don't do anything you want with it. How about just pet it and keep it... Pet it and keep it as a beloved pet. Keep it as a beloved name it, pet it and feed it. Just not ginger, though. Just have it. Just have it like that.

You don't have your ginger. You should be a bit for the sheets. So, where's the gift of the match I ever? This sheep loves ginger. Oh, I'm gonna tear it. We were wrong. No. And then I got you a ginger holder. Oh, Henry.

In a medieval times, this is when we see more and more forms of preserved ginger, especially being used in sweets. Cause you know the next time you want ginger, you're gonna look at that sheep. I just think, man, I could really use some ginger right now. I'm so afraid of my ginger. I'm trying to, all some ginger right now. I'm still a son of a... I'm so afraid of my ginger. I'm trying to own my ginger for you.

And now I can't use them in sweets. This is when we see, we've already kind of talked about gingerbread, and especially, I mean, in all different kinds of desserts, ginger could be employed. But specifically, Elizabeth I invented the gingerbread man at this point in history. At that time, gingerbread was already being eaten kind of as like the hard cookie that we think about, like a gingerbread cookie.

But it was already in the shape of other things. So people would commonly make gingerbread into the shape of animals or just some kind of object and decorate it for various reasons. There were actually big medieval fairs and over time these medieval fairs became known as Gingerbread fairs because it was so common to eat gingerbread at them. I get very suspicious whenever I read historical stories of royalty-inventing things because it seems to me that's all right. of royalty inventing things. Because it seems to me, it's like- They were stealing the credit.

You're not just, I've created something amazing. It's a gingerbread man. She's like, oh, you invented it, did you? Because I'm pretty sure I invented it. Off with his head. Off his head, I invented gingerbread man. It's my thing now. Anybody else want to disagree?

No, no, no, no, no, my queen, you invented it. What's your brightness? I bet you're right on this. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to argue with history. But I bet you're right on this one because where the gingerbread man came,

because we already have gingerbread cookies, we have them in different shapes. They're considered like this delight, this delicacy, or not delicacy, but like the celebration kind of thing. You would have them at a fair, you would have them on holidays, they had like all different kinds of seasons, you know, that you could decorate them for different seasons.

The gingerbread man initially were gingerbread dignitaries. It was Queen Elizabeth who would welcome different dignitaries into her court and to celebrate their arrival, she would have cookies made that look like them. Sure. So here's, I don't know, a king of France cookie, I don't know, whatever dignitaria was coming to visit, here's a cookie that looks like you.

And that was the first gingerbread person. She sounds like an ill-fated Silicon Valley upstart. Like it sounds like. Welcome. Do you want to impress your important guest? Press your important guest to this out of the box gift. Make them into a cookie. The cookies at the gingerbread fairs, by the way,

were called fairings. I've never heard that term. It also led to a couple of expressions. Take the guilt off the gingerbread. I agree. So commonly you would use like gold leaf on your fancy gingerbread cookies. So you could, that was an expression that was used.

As well as the, you know, the intricate work on houses that is, have you heard gingerbread work? Like on the site, like on the... I get where it's at. You know, the roof of house that you know I'm talking about? I don't, yeah. I don't have a lot of conversations in my day to day that would lead me into house construction, actually. I bet Chris knows this term. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, gingerbread work came from that and then gingerbread houses came along in Germany in the 16th century just because people are getting super creative with gingerbread. I want to hear more about gingerbread ginger as medicine though. I'm getting to that, but first why don't we go to the billing department? Let's go. So you're talking about gingerbread and maybe very hungry, but I won't talk a little bit more about ginger as medicine. So you're right. As I mentioned, I got on this sidebar because I found this history of gingerbread men and gingerbread people and dignitaries quite interesting. But yes, alongside of all these wonderful food uses, there were more and more ways that people were using ginger as medicine, especially as we began to find different ways to preserve it and then add it to other things.

So in the middle ages, we started adding it to syrup. So ginger and different kinds of syrup says a better way to ingest more ginger partially because it tasted good and then other medicinal concoctions as well. In addition it was also added to beer at this point. Ginger beer. But not ginger beer. Ginger beer. Ginger beer. That's not ginger beer. No ginger beer. Ginger beer. No, just because Sam Adams. Ginger beer came from... I mean, Sam Adams beer. No, just because Sam Adams. I'm sure ginger beer came from, I mean, Sam Adams has something called,

this makes me so angry. I can't talk about it. In the 16th century, probably a very important medical application, it was used against plague. Henry VIII actually routinely ingested a ginger-based concoction to try to avoid the plague. What I'm saying is they have a thing

in their holiday box called ginger beer. I know, and it's not ginger beer. That's not ginger beer. You can't just put ginger in beer and call it ginger beer. That's the one it is. You also can't use ginger against the plague unless you want to get the plague because it will not work. So yeah, I guess we're in agreement.

The, on a side note, at this point in history, we're kind of moving into where the colonists would have been migrating to the new world Do you know that they they brought gingerbread there and it one way it was used in early American history was to Influen voters and elections no, I didn't know that yes I thought that was an interesting side bar gingerbread was a very popular way to I would have like if you're trying to influence my vote I don't know that a gingerbread cookie is going to win me. She's very on the fence. I can't really tell the guy that he's canned it. I don't know.

Just ramp it disregard for the future of your country. I guess a gingerbread cookie could push you either way, but it has now. How is it being used as medicines? So now we've got all these different preparations of ginger. We're going to put it in syrup. We're putting it in beer. We're putting it on our food. It is being used largely for stomach conditions

nausea see sickness morning sickness and that dates back a really long time Mm-hmm still is today Advice for those but it was also ginger as I mentioned before it back to ancient times We would bathe new babies in it and it was thought to fight aging So it was also used for a lot of skin conditions. In general, it was thought that if you just mixed it with some kind of oil, olive oil, coconut oil, any kind of oil you wanted to, and then apply it to your skin. You'd have a more like a glowing complexion, just like a standard kind of beauty thing.

If you mixed it with molasses, you could apply it on your skin for hives. It was thought to kind of have an anti-inflammatory effect in that sense. If you mixed it with molasses, you could apply it on your skin for hives. It was thought to kind of have an anti-inflammatory effect in that sense. You could take fresh or powdered ginger. So, ideally, you would have powdered ginger for this one, and you would sprinkle it on like if you have a boil and abscess. Oh, okay. Some sort of skin infection, and it would help draw it out. It was the thought. It would open it up and allow it to drain. If you don't have powdered ginger,

you can just take fresh ginger and mix it again with some kind of oil, or maybe mustard. Yeah. Like big chunks of raw ginger and then just like shove it on the boil or in the boil. No, stop it.

Have it open? No, don't do any of this. I wouldn't do that, especially. I mean, now, we're doctors for this sort of thing. Ginger and honey was a common combination advice for anything that was thought to come from your gallbladder. You're having gallbladder problems. Kind of a long shot, but sure.

Here's some ginger and honey. Sure, nobody even knows what all bladder is. And, well, I mean, I do. Hmm. Hmm. I won't make you prove it. In addition, we begin to see this expansion of it being used for other medical conditions. So it does your baby have colic?

Yes. Give him some ginger. Do you have any irritable bowel or loss of appetite? Ginger is not to stimulate the metabolism, simulate the appetite, make your bowels work better. If you've got any again, we talk about the cold conditions, cough, bronchitis, cold flu, chills, anything like that, poor circulation. Maybe you've got menstrual cramps. Do you have stomach cramps? Do you have fever? Do you have headache? How about a toothache? Maybe you got menstrual cramps. Do you have stomach cramps? Do you have fever? Do you have headache? How about a toothache?

Well, it's also really good for inflammation. So do you have some arthritis? Do you have some joint problems? Maybe some rheumatism. Maybe a little bit of tendonitis. It's also good for lowering your cholesterol and lowering your blood pressure and it prevents blood clots. Are you done? I'm done. That sounds like a cure all to me, Sydney. And as we have well established on solvones, cure all cure nothing. Yeah, unfortunately, ginger, I think a lot of it. Don't make it just cure things

because that's gonna mess up the whole bit. There's a little bit you can use ginger for and I'm about to get to that. But I think that when you have something like ginger which as we've already mentioned, has a strong flavor, a strong odor. If you eat more, it's kind of spicy. I'm just not spicy, you know,

it's kind of a spicy, spicy, it feels stimulating. Yeah, it feels like you're getting some peps, some good, some vigor, some zel. Exactly. So you see it used for that kind of thing. And then even up till today, we still, especially for GI issues, so for stomach issues, for nausea, we still commonly recommend

ginger. Now, I've used it for gas. For gas? Yeah, remember, do you remember actually when you were living in that dorm, not the dorm, but the university apartment, the chalets, I think, was, and I had really bad stomach pain, and you made me basically a shot glassful of lemon juice and ginger. Yes. Yes. Because you read about it online. I read about it online, and you mixed it up for me.

I did. I did. I'll be darned if I didn't work. Wonders. I wasn't in medical school yet. That's true. You're a little bit more flexible. I will say this, kind of skipping ahead a little bit. It does, in some cases, it has been proven to help with nausea.

Boom. So, I mean, but that's, it's been specific. It's hard because they do a study on, you know, morning sickness versus sea sickness versus nausea related to, maybe drug-induced chemotherapy nausea versus nausea because you've got a gastrointestinal virus or something. I mean, there are different kinds of nausea so it doesn't work on all nausea, not necessarily, but can it help with nausea?

Is it pretty harmless to try a little bit of ginger when you have some nausea? Nah, it's fine. Why do I always want the ginger real one on a plane? And everybody feels the same. Oh, my friend, the dear departed Ryan Davis used to call it Sky Ale for that exact reason. I think part of it is I don't know that I would say that there is enough ginger in a ginger ale to actually settle your stomach. Hmm. Okay. I don't know that I would make that point.

It's a little bit of a psychosomatic. I think part of it is the, yes, I think part of it is our association that point. It's a little bit of a psychosomatic. I think part of it is the, yes, I think part of it is our association that ginger ale settles our stomach. And again, there have been some studies that say ginger does help with nausea. So I'm not saying that's not true. But I think part of it is the association. Part of it is also, it's not just knowing that ginger ale, that thought that ginger ale

is going to help with nausea, but the taste then, you know, because I mean more sensory creatures smell the taste,, you know, because I mean, we're sensory creatures to smell the taste, the our association with it. Maybe all that helps to calm you. Also, your anxiety about getting ill. I don't know. But I mean, it can help with nausea some. It also is still there,

there are people who will tell you ginger helps with high blood pressure, but it's funny because the same people who will tell you it helps with high blood pressure, will tell you funny because the same people who will tell you it helps with high blood pressure will tell you that if you eat too much, it will cause high blood pressure and also not to eat it in the summer because that's when it will make your high blood pressure the worst. Okay. And that's obviously there.

That's problematic. I'm already wanting away from the conversation. I have read that it's good with hiccups, but we've talked about hiccups before. Everything is supposedly good for hiccups Because hiccups tend to go away. So something's going to be the last thing you tried, right? There was one really strange application of ginger that I had never heard of and that I am unfortunately now aware of called gingerine with horses. What is that?

Have you heard of this? This is terrible. So ginger, if applied to the skin, especially to a mucus membrane, can be kind of irritating like a chemical irritant. I mean, you can imagine how ginger could feel that way. It doesn't on like your fingers. Yeah, it could be,

just raw ginger, maybe even inside your mouth, probably wouldn't feel too good. So it's been used as a suppository on horses. You can either apply it rectally or vaginally for the, and this practice is called gendering and it will make your horse appear younger or livelier or make their, that's usually a lot of... The tail stand up more or something,

I don't know, it does something to the horse to, if you're trying to compete with the horse or sell the horse to falsely lead people to see the horse, it's a terrible thing. It's not okay, you're not supposed to do this. They actually, in competitive horse events, they actually will swab, if they suspect gendering, they can swab forgendure. Test, yeah, in the breakdown or whatever. This is a terrible thing. I never heard of this and I can't.

This is like, we talk about on this show all of the horrible things that humans have tried on each other in an attempt to make each other better. And then sometimes we don't stress enough, the even worse things that people come up with to do to animals, how horrible is this? It's out stress. Don't do this, that sounds terrible.

Do you want ginger in your butt? You know what if you do that's okay though, I'm not saying you can. I'm not getting yums. I don't know, is that your thing? Is that ginger? There's one other thing I wanna say about ginger because I always say is there a downside?

You know, if you're gonna pretend like this is a medicine, is there a downside? It can interact with some medications. I think I read one thing that it can prevent blood clots. Well, I don't know that it prevents blood clots, but it can interact with some blood thinners. If you're going to use gender, especially medicinal, you're going to take supplements of gender or massive doses of gender. You should talk to your doctor if you're on medications

because it can interact with some medications and it can cause heartburn. So even though it can help with nausea, it could cause other GI problems. So, I don't know, I like gender ale. And in closing, Sydney likes gender ale. That's gonna do it for us. Thank you so much for listening.

Big thank you to the taxpayers for letting us use her song, Medicines is the intro and outro of our program. I wanna go and encourage you. Oh, here's something fun. If you haven't checked out Stillbuffering yet, that's a show that Sydney does with her sister's Taylor and Riley. I appeared on it this week. So if you wanna hear Sydney and I talk about video games with Taylor and Riley,

then you should listen to the newest episode still buffering. It's a great show and a lot of people really like it. Thank you, honey. And that's another Max Fun property. There's a lot of great shows there. You can check out at MaximumFun.org But until the next- And thank you to the taxpayers. I'd have a thing you already did. Whoa, I don't know if Ginger helps listening comprehension,

but I don't think you did. I fully did. All right. Play back the tape, Justin, future Justin. Play it back right here. A big thank you to the taxpayers. Does that prove it? I don't know. Until next week, my name is Justin McRoy.

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