Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Jilly Juice

Episode Date: November 9, 2018

This week on Sawbones, Dr. Sydnee and Justin take a swig from the new miracle drink Jilly Juice, which can not only cure every disease but can regrow limbs! (It can't, it makes you puke and poop and that's it, but you should listen anyway.) Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Saubones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books. One, two, one, two, three, four. We came across a pharmacy with a toy and that's busted out. We pushed on through the broken glass and had ourselves a look around.

Some medicines, some medicines that escalate my cop for the mouth. Wow! Hello everybody. Wow, that was bad. That was not a great start to the show. You want to start over? No, no. I want people to know. Are you sure?

People say Justin, you're a like unto a god of podcasting. And I want to say I put my microphone on one leg at a time, just like everybody else. Who says that? Hello everybody and welcome. He's back. Welcome to Saltbones, Marital Tour of Miskite Medicine. I'm your co-host Justin McAroy. I'm Sydney McAroy coming to you from a. Driri November 9th. It is. Yes, it is. Depressing outside here in the great state of West Virginia. The leaves are beautiful as always, but it is just cold and wet. It is cold and wet and it's kind of a bummer to come down off of my birthday, high yesterday.

I was going to say, great years old. Where as far as we can be from your next birthday, so that's a, that's especially a bummer, isn't it? And all the gifts have been open. And that's sad, you know, got some great stuff, but. Well, Justin, for your birthday, I actually got you one more present. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Go ahead, hand it over. Well, it's this episode. Oh, you're going to let me take the episode off? Where's Riley? Is Riley going to take my place? I can just go kick it. No, no, and as much as you would enjoy that, not doing your job. With me, your wife that you love. Yep.

Good, I'll just mall that over later. As much as you would enjoy that, instead, I got you a topic just for you. Okay. A special topic that, see, I know how much you enjoy really dunking on people who support species, medical claims, and treatments for serious deadly diseases.

Yeah. Especially that are so wrong, that are so, so wrong. I know how much you enjoy that. And I do. I've found one. I've found one for you. Thanks to our listeners, many people have suggested this Dakota Herman Cecil Jasper,

Sana, Julian, Angela, Chris, and Charlie have all recommended this topic. And it is Jilly Juice. Jilly Juice. Jilly Juice. You mentioned this to me and I have like a very vague, a very vague knowledge of what this is. This is kind of, but I'm not, personally, sure.

I feel like I have heard of it in other realms, but... Well, I had heard it only because really our listeners had brought it to my attention. I've gotten some tweets about it and some emails about it and I hadn't really dug into it, but for your birthday, I've dug into jelly juice and I think you are really going to enjoy this in that way that you do. Okay, I'm thrilled. So jelly juice is a medicine, it's not medicine, but it is...

A purported touted as a medical treatment created by Jillian Eppnerley of Canton, Ohio, Pints, Julie, Juice, Jillian, of course, most notable for being the home of the football Hall of Fame. Oh, go right up there to Canton. See all you the legends of the gridiron didn't know that Bronze glory didn't know that but I Now it is famous for this person. Oh good Unfortunate I'm sorry Canton. Sorry. I'm sorry. All of you from Canton that you are now famous for this as well I remember also that

You all had an excellent carabas Italian girl up there. It was because my friends and I drove up to the football hall of fame last time. It was closed because we had to check the hours and we went in the off season. It was closed. We went to a Karabas Italian girl, which I remember being an exception. Also, you do have that also going for you. All right, so besides that, here's the thing. Jillian has no medical training whatsoever,

no scientific background, nothing in nutrition or medicine or anything in the science world at all. She is very open about that, which is different. You know, a lot of our traditional like patent medicine sales people throughout history have lied, called themselves doctor or pretended like they had some sort of medical training or whatever.

Jillian is very open about the fact that she has no scientific expertise and she sees that as a plus. Yeah, because she hasn't been corrupted by all your lies. Precisely, because her response, you can watch her on Dr. Phil, if you want to watch Dr. Phil. Her response is really what has medicine done for you ever? Ever.

Like what have all those regular doctors like me, what have we ever done for anybody? I mean, could you name a single thing that we've ever done to help anybody? I mean, you changed my life personally, but that's more your own person. No, I mean like medicine. All of alopathic medicine with our studies and our science and our medicine and our degrees. What have we, have we ever actually helped anyone?

I think you all have done, you know what, 50-50. You're good, but also- Just in the answers, yes, vaccines. Oh, that's right, right, right. Well, and also like medicine. Yeah, like here- Yeah, like all the things that still are helpful and good. Casts.

Okay, cast. That's what you came up with. Casts are great. Okay, I mean like surgeries and antibiotics and... But implants. Guys, is that you all? Yes, doctors do that. But implants is huge.

Okay, so she got her information from looking it up on the internet. She's very open about that, largely PubMed. She just did some searches and she says she put it together in a different way that maybe all these authors of the studies that she's read didn't see necessarily, right? Like put like, like, I imagine that she had like a big one of those big quirk boards with like the strings. Tide's at Wait a minute. Yeah. Like, put PC in it altogether. They've all been missing it.

She was suffering from some sort of systemic illness. I'm not sure what exactly it was, but she blamed it on Canada. And not Canada. Not Canada, not the country, Canada, but the fungus, Canada. Which I say, by the way, I wanna address this now because we've talked about Canada, but the fungus, Canada, which I say, by the way, I want to address this now because we've talked about Canada before on the show and I've gotten some people correcting

my pronunciation. I have looked into this because I was never taught anything other than Canada. Every professor I had, every, all of my colleagues say Canada, I've never heard anything other than Canada in my professional life, but I looked into it. Apparently, that is the British pronunciation is what I have read. Oh, so you're like continental? Well, I know. I don't know why that's what I was taught, but the American English pronunciation is Candida. I have never heard anything other than Candida, and it is what I will say, but both are correct. So please don't tell me how long because they're both right. So take it. We can all be right and

be pleased with that. Which I want to take just a moment to talk about Candida. Candida is a yeast. It is usually there are over 20 different species of Candida. It is usually Candida albicans that you're thinking of if you think of a yeast infection, but there are others that can cause yeast infections. And they most commonly cause infections in obviously the vagina. You can also have oral yeast infections, thrush is the common word for that. You can have like skin in like skin folds or under your breasts. You can have yeast. There also is a systemic yeast infection that patients can get, an invasive yeast infection. These are patients who are immunocompromised in some way. Someone on chemotherapy or somebody with HIV, something that suppresses the immune system

chronic steroids, things like that can cause you to get like yeast in your blood. This is a huge deal. If you have yeast in your blood, you're not walking around with headaches and fatigue. You're in the ICU getting IV antifungals because it is a very serious infection and you just, you don't walk around with it for years. You get very sick very quickly and you get treated. So that's a good kind of a good way of telling the difference is if you're in the hospital,

then you probably have. You might have this systemic yeast infection. If you're not in the hospital, you don't have a systemic yeast infection. This concept of Canada as a, as like a, the culprit behind all secret disease, which by the way, this is largely aimed at women. If you go back to the origin of this, it seems to be from the 80s. There was a book published by a Dr. William Crook about Candida. That is his name, about Candida, and specifically, you know, what, what it can do. The ideas that in this book, and again, it's largely women. Women suffer from a variety of problems, and we don't know why,

or what's up with them, except I figured it out. It's just yeast. So give them all niestatin, which is an anti-fungal medication. Give them all niestatin and tell them to eat less carbs and they'll feel better. Wireless carbs. Because the idea that carbs and foods that contain yeast are going to increase the amount of yeast in your body. So low carbohydrate, diet, and take niestatin and all of your female complaints will be fixed.

Wow. Now what has, No, that's not true. And what has grown from that is this entire, this entire pseudoscientific belief that a lot of us suffer from candidal overgrowth and it causes all sorts of vague symptoms and that what we all need to do

is be on an antifongal and a special diet and we'll feel better. And the thing is, if you eat less carbs, you probably will feel better. I know I do when I eat a lot of carbs. A lot of us feel better if we're not eating bags of chips or whatever. It's funny.

It's a share rate come close. It's kind of like the gluten thing. Sure. That's kind of like the gluten thing, you know? Sure. It's kind of like the gluten thing where people think they have gluten intolerance, but really, they should just eat more lean protein and vegetables and you will indeed feel better. And that's, and there are certainly people

who can't have gluten, but then there are a lot of people who can, but just feel better when they don't eat it. And that's fine. If you don't want to eat gluten, don't eat gluten, but not, but you're not, you're not at a dollar to gluten. Just because you don't, just because you feel better when they don't need it. And that's fine. If you don't eat gluten, don't eat gluten, but not... But you're not, you're not into it. Just because you don't, just because you feel better when you don't eat gluten doesn't mean you have celiac.

That's a whole other thing. And that is a diagnosis that we can find and does need to be treated by a void and gluten, but that's different. And it's the same, like, if you feel better when you eat less carbs, that's fine. That you don't have invasive candidate. You don't have systemic Canada though.

That's not a thing. It's just not. 90% of us are colonized with Canada. It's just in there. We just have, it's normal. Humans have yeast in them, that's fine. It's no big deal. Unless again, you're immune compromised and invades,

and then you get infections, whatever. But that is not the same as Canada overgrowth, which is blamed for all kinds of problems and is an easy way of dismissing women who have real issues by just saying, well, it's yeast, go eat less carbs by. So I'm offended by the diagnosis and it's fake. Is this something that real doctors are doing or is this like nothing? No, no. This is not a thing that medicine at large recognizes as a real thing. But you will find lots of information. There are tons of books. She had been, I don't know if it was self-diagnosed or if some sort of practitioner of something had told her that she had systemic Candida, but she came up with a way to flush out

all of her Candida on her own. And you can read, I mean, there are tons of different fake ways to flush out this fake illness, but this one is Jilly Juice. So Jilly Juice is a mixture of salt, water, and cabbage or kale. Largely cabbage, but I saw that you could use kale too. And it's been fermented for a couple days in the blender. By the way, I say salt, it has like 12 days worth

of your daily recommended salt intake in like one concoction of jelly juice. No, no. From the reaction that Dr. Phil had when he smelled it, I imagine it doesn't taste very good. Dr. Phil had when he smelled it. I imagine it doesn't taste very good. Dr. Phil. He didn't, I didn't see him taste it. I just saw him smell it. But yeah, it has a ton of sodium in it and then it's fermented. And you start off by drinking two cups of this

a day, along with eating basically like a healthy diet. Like she puts forth this proposed diet and it's essentially what you would think of as like a healthy diet, you know, fruits, vegetables, some lean proteins. The usual kind of things, they're like, sure, that's fine, eat that healthy diet, but also drink two cups of this a day and then your goal is to work up to drinking a gallon of chili juice every day. Which, I mean, first of all, as you're gonna find, as you probably already suspect, this isn't gonna do anything good for you. Also, that's a lot of sodium, like a dangerous amount of sodium.

Like, just- That's gonna make you feel like utter crap. And it does. That's actually what- that was the next thing I was gonna say. She will admit this to you. You will feel terrible when you're doing this. You're going to feel bad. But that's it working. Exactly. You know that it's working. That's that feeling that you have is healing.

That's what healing feels like. There needs to be. It feels like explosive diarrhea and maybe vomiting. There needs to be a logical fallacy named for this. Like all effects are helpful. Because like there are so many from the patent medicine days where it's like, those ingredients will make, like, emetics and stuff like that where it's like,

oh, I threw up. Good, it's working. It's getting the out the bad stuff. You can draw a direct correlation, I think, from that to this, because that is exactly what she tells you is happening. That the cramping and the vomiting and the diarrhea and the possible dehydration that results from this will, it is the result of parasites and fungus leaving your body.

And sometimes you may even vomit or poop blood, and that's okay because it's just that all of these parasites and fungi, they tear your flesh as they leave. And so you bleed some, but that's okay. This is all healing. And she notes that you're gonna have some pain, but that we have been confused into believing that pain is our body's way of telling us something is wrong, that pain is actually a good feeling,

and that it means healing, and that we have this whole human history of trying to like help people in pain and treat their pain and give them medicine or therapies or whatever to soothe their pain and that really this is all bad because pain is a good thing. Okay. Not an indicator of something bad. Now I've been told to loss this whole time. She has some other beliefs in addition to drinking this jelly juice to fix. By the way, what can this fix other than

this fake systemic candidate thing? It can fix anything, anything. Anything. What about cancer? Yeah. Oh. well, see, that's because that's huge. Like, we've been trying to crack that nut for a while. That's because cancer is a fungus. What is what she believes? What she believes that cancer is a fungus? Is cancer a fungus? No, it is not a fungus.

Cancer is not a fungus. Prove cancer is not. It's just not. It's not mushroom. It what? I'm just saying, no,, let's leave the door open. The cases open on whether or not cancer is a fungus. This is, I think, so she seems to believe that, I mean, definitely cancer because she says

it specifically cancer is a fungus and she says it on Dr. Phil. She says it in her literature and then she also said it on Dr. Phil, which he did not, he didn't really challenge as much as I would have liked Dr. Phil to challenge. Not a doctor. I don't know. But a body doctor, maybe, listen, he probably did have a moment where he's like, that doesn't sound right.

I don't remember. Hey Justin. Are you a doctor? Is cancer a fungus? Not a lot. Okay, there you go. See, we know this, cancer's not a fungus. But, and this, I think is at the root of it all.

I found this on her Facebook, because she puts a lot of her information out through her Facebook as well, that she makes this claim, I have a protocol to reverse 100% all of your health issues from A to Z forever, vaccinated or not. Eat my short. Even if you were never vaccinated, you still were given the Candida-slash cancer with virus microbes, which trigger allergies, eczema, low immune system, and then it goes on and on. So I think from this, she thinks that vaccines introduce some sort of Candida-cancer virus microbes, maybe fungus.

I don't think she knows the difference between different microorganisms, but she kind of groups it all together. But you might still have gotten it elsewhere, but so I think she blames vaccines for some of this. She's definitely anti-vax. Oh, no, definitely anti-vax. Oh, no question, that is the least surprising thing I've heard all day.

Yeah, she's anti-vax, but she's also anti-antibiotics, at all. Wow. You don't need them. They're a negative element. They can harm your body. but she's also anti-biotics at all. You don't need them. You don't need them. They're a negative element. They can harm your body. You shouldn't take them ever.

She also believes that exercise regimens and coaches are bad for you. Wow, that's a big one. Exercise harms your body. Don't do it. Okay. Just to throw in some other thoughts. I will tell you that if you want to go down this rabbit hole, I wouldn't recommend it.

No, thank you. Hard pass. But she has a lot of strong beliefs about medicine, about the body, about science, about DNA methylation and genetics, and the government. And it's all tied together in very long face or very long YouTube video monologues. Okay.

I would say difficult to follow myself. How's she making money? Well, let's talk about how she's making money, but first, Justin, how are we making money? Let's go to the billing department. Let's go! The medicines, the medicines, the ask you lift my car before the mouth. I'm Riley Smirl. I'm Sydney McAvoy, and I'm Taylor Smirl.

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Find out the answers to these important questions and many more on Still Buffering, a Sisters Guide to Te teens through the ages. I am a teenager and I was too. But, but, but, but, but, but. All right, Sid. What a... I just want to thank Audible and Away for taking me away for a few minute break. I'm talking about Billy Gears, but here we are again.

All right, so, Jilly, I'm just going to call our Jilly for now. Jilly has written two books about this cure and how it can save your life. I don't own them. I'm gonna be honest, anything I had to pay money for to access about this protocol and about this person, I did not pay money for, because I'm not giving her any money.

I feel very strongly about that. Typically, if it was just like, and I, well, I got a third of a couple bucks this way, so I can see this weird thing and find out what it's all about. I wouldn't be so opposed, but I'm going to get into some more of her claims and I find them so agree, just I can't give her a dollar. So there you go. So I don't own her book because it initially, I guess, was free, but according to her website, and this is on there multiple times, this is the notation. Book one has been retired and cannot be free anymore. I don't know what that means.

I don't know, but you have to pay for it now. It's like ten bucks for the electronic version and twenty bucks for the hard copy. And you have to get book two. I don't know where book two is, but you have to get book two. The book one is called the jilly juice protocol Exposing the lies Canada weaponized fungus mainstreaming mutancy love that title acronym that seems wild enough to be an acronym. No, it's not an acronym the producer

Tell me it's not it's not an accurate. I mean Elk If you if you get them you do get access to her site and her forums. If you don't get them, you've got to pay 30 bucks a month. She'll also coach you personally for like 70 bucks a session. If you want to do that, she does claim on there from, because you can access some of the site without paying. And so I've been through her website, what I read without having to to give this person any money. And she does say things like

all the other detoxes and supplements and herbal meds, all those other things that you see advertise your fake and you shouldn't buy them. Hey, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. On the downside, she says all of alipathic medicine is fake as well. On the downside, she says all of alipathic medicine is fake as well. So, you know, she also really hates weed. Okay, that's it. Now you're gone too far. Now you screwed up, Jilly. Now you came to my house and started knocking over my face.

She's very against cannabis. She's very against CBD oil. She's very clear that these are negative elements that can damage your body and you should not use them. It takes a really hard line on them, which I just found like a strange thing to focus on, like antibiotics, CBD oil hated. What was this dude, Jill? You're supposed to just use her gilly juice and eat her diet that she says. Because in addition to curing all disease, all disease. I also should make them go away.

Gilly juice sounds like prison toilet wine and I really can't get over how unappealing the name Gilly juice is. Gilly juice sounds like something a cult drinks. Yes. It's miserable. Either a cult or like a fraternity. Yeah, right, right, right. No offense of fraternity.

What's in here? It's gone. I was doing it. Idiot. It. So, she says it can cure all disease. I've already said that. And again, when I say all disease, I'm not just like blanket.

Like she says, A to Z, every disease you have can be cured with jelly juice, including cancer. Of course, since cancer's actually a fungus This will flush out your fungus. It also can make you live to be 400 years old. Oh cool. That's cool though. She can't prove that yet because as she says, she's only been doing this for like a year So, but she will live to be 400 and everyone who follows her protocol exactly will also live to be 400 At least why stop there? It can also make you regrow a limb. You're making that up. No, she claims it can make you regrow a lens.

She can't prove it yet because again, it's only been a year and I guess nobody has used it for this explicit purpose. There's one guy who's managed to grow back a stubby little baby doll of an arm in there. No, she got to get him time to cultivate it. There's one guy who's managed to grow back a stubby little baby doll of an arm in there. No, I take the jelly juice. No, she got to give him time to cultivate it and Dr. Phil did challenge her on this. How can you how can you claim that this makes you regret? I mean it really like when I read that I thought well that can't be right like on Harry Potter when you drink that stuff to regrow bones like that can't be right. Skelligrow. Skelligrow. Yeah, no. She really believes that because she says,

the body is already capable of doing this. It's proven by the fact that when you cut yourself, eventually it heals. Like if you have a cut on your arm, eventually that will heal right. Like the skin cells will grow back over it. So obviously our body is capable of regenerating. Why not a limb or an organ?

Chexeless has an organ. Don't get an organ transplant because you could just regrow an organ if you just take it out. You could just regrow another one. Because- When you're Dr. Phil, I feel like I need to blame Dr. Phil for this one. Why are we elevating people? Why did we fill it? I was going to ask this question. This is one of the points I want to make. Why was she ever on Dr. Phil? Obviously, this is completely fake. Why was this ever given a platform on Dr. Phil? I don't know because I don't feel like he adequately challenged a lot of these things. So, okay,

the body, in case you're curious, in case you're curious, there is a huge difference between the regenerative capacity of skin cells or the cells that line your testons and the ability to grow an entirely new limb complete with not just skin but muscle and fascia and bone and the blood vessels and the nerve endings. It's not different cell types in your body have different regenerative capacity, otherwise a heart attack wouldn't matter, right? Cause you would just grow new heart there. But obviously it does matter,

cause it's not that simple with heart cells. So your body, every different kind of cell has a different capacity to regrow and regenerate, comparing a cut to removing a limb and regrowing it is, I mean, obviously there is no scientific understanding of anything if you make a comment like that. I want to back up something because I realized that it may seem hypocritical for me to attack Dr. Phil for elevating something like this.

Well, we're doing a podcast on it. I would say two things. One, we are obviously taking it to task in a way that I'm assuming Dr. Phil did not. Two, we are presenting this information to a beloved community of what I assume to be medical skeptics. At this point, I would hope. And Dr. Phil is... Dr. Phil knows his people. That's all I shall say. Dr. Phil knows he's talking to some people that are vulnerable to hacks, I guess. spiritual real-world hacks like this. And I think that Dr. Phil is being a little bit responsible by elevating this.

Yes. And this is the only point that Dr. Phil got really upset about the one that I'm about to tell you, which I understand is- It wasn't the weed. I think that that one just got in Dr. Phil mad. I mean, for me, as soon as you say, don't use chemotherapy, use this for your cancer. I'm kind of done. But obviously this was the bridge too far for Dr. Phil, and I agree this is a particularly upsetting

agree just claim that she makes. She believes that this will fix mutations. Oh, finally. Teenagele, we found our weakness. We can just make you teenage. We could just make you turtles. Turtles? Turtles? I think they're turtles. They're just turtles.

They're not teens that turn into turtle men. They're turtles that turn into teen men. You know this. You know this to be true. I know that's true. Anyway, so no, not Tage Mutant and Duterteal Mutations, she believes that her gilly juice will fix things. First of all, she says it fixes autism.

Secondly, she says it will, and this is her terminology, fix Down syndrome. She's going to reverse the chromosomal change that results in what we call Down syndrome for Gilly juice will. Can I just make a point that I've heard? I'm echoing now. Pimutate that. People who families of can we stop treating autism like it's the plague? Can we stop treating autism like it is a scourge or down syndrome as long as your yes

I mean both that needs to be wiped out. They're like beautiful incredible powerful People who are on the autism spectrum are of Down syndrome and like these Can't use a word that is appropriate. These people are treating them like they are like need to be eradicated like that These people are treating them like they are, like need to be eradicated, like they're kind of, it drives me crazy. They need support, obviously they have special needs, they require, but they don't need to be wiped out. It drives me absolutely up a wall. And they're, and I know, because I know we have listeners that are like, that have to

scream at their headphones, however you manage that, every time they hear junk like this. And it drives, absolutely crazy. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and straight is the result of a mutation in your body and it can be fixed by drinking her juice. Then you can go back, I guess, to being straight after you drink chili juice. This juice cured my gay. Sounds like a forechan meme. It doesn't sound like a real thing that someone said. This was in this, I mean, Dr. Phil challenged her by saying I think that that's welcome. Welcome. Welcome to Phil. And it obviously it is offensive, of course, it's offensive. But that was the only thing that really seemed to really seem to rev his engines. Finally got your bench fill.

Thanks, bud. It's all. Answer. Phil. I mean, it's all horrible. It's all horrible. I don't I don't know that any one of these claims is any worse than the other one. These are all terrible things to say to refer to these as mutations that need to be fixed

with juice. All of it is, of course, incredibly offensive and dangerous and harmful. And again, this stuff will do nothing except maybe dehydrate you. There was a note that she had recommended to somebody that even infants can suffer from this, so you may benefit from taking away breast milk or formula and instead giving them jilly juice, which could be fatal, by the way, in an infant. I should note, I have no proof that this has happened. I'm just saying that if that is followed, could be. Does it work? No, of course, it will give you diarrhea. That's about all it'll do. So if that is followed could be. Does it work? No. Of course it will give you diarrhea.

That's about all it'll do. So if that's your goal is to eat a lot of salt and get diarrhea, it works for that. But otherwise for anything else we've talked about now, is it dangerous? Absolutely. Yes. I would never recommend doing this. It can dehydrate you. Dehydration can damage your kidneys. It can, you can end up in the hospital, it can be incredibly dangerous. And also, people are doing this over seeking actual medical help for their medical problems and taking real medicine. And at least one patient has died. Now I am not going to blame this on her, this patient reportedly had pancreatic cancer

and chose to stop seeking traditional treatment with chemotherapy and instead started the jilly-dewish protocol. I have no way of knowing did this patient die as a result of that, what was their prognosis anyway, I'm not going to say I know the details of this case, but this patient definitely did that and then definitely did pass away. And there was a note that his daughter said he was in consultation with her the whole time, which I assume meant that he was paying her money. So she was stealing money from him for her fake medicine while he was dying, whether

or not this was the cause of his death. I think we can all agree that's horrendous. She's been investigated by the Ohio Attorney General for her claims. She's been reported multiple times to the Better Business Bureau. There's a petition, I think, to remove her from Facebook. She saw thousands of followers.

There are a lot of people who are buying into this. I know this sounds like why are you even talking about it? Who would ever believe this? A lot of people have bought her lies and have bought her book and are using into this. I know this sounds like why are you even talking about it? Who would ever believe this? A lot of people have bought her lies and have bought her book and are using her juice. Her website, you can tell that she's come under some fire from a legal perspective because her website is full of disclaimers and full of walls

to try to prevent you from seeing stuff, I think, unless you pay, I think on the basis that you're not going to pay unless you've already bought into it, so then you're not going to come do what I'm doing. Talk about it and about how it's wrong. But it's all on her Facebook. I mean, you can watch her Facebook videos. I tried watching some of the videos through Facebook and it's just hard.

It's so It's like she's read enough stuff on the internet to to sound like she's speaking science to sound like she can talk the language But as somebody with a scientific education, it's all nonsense. I mean, it's nonsense. So the conclusion she draws Let me give you an example. She talks about how important it is that the body maintain homeostasis Let me give you an example. She talks about how important it is that the body maintain homeostasis. That all of our reactions need to be at homeostasis. And that stuff that disrupts homeostasis makes us sick. Negative elements is what she calls them. And we need to fix that by flushing it all out with her gilly juice and then allowing

our body to absorb nutrients. Okay. If our body remained at chemical homeostasis, we'd be dead. It's important that we're not at homeostasis. It's important that all of these chemical reactions are not at equilibrium. It's really important because once they reach equilibrium, we die. It's like a fundamental misunderstanding of biology and chemistry and biochemistry and genetics and medicine and everything that goes into science.

She takes the words and she takes the studies and then twists them to mean things that they don't at all. And to support, again, this completely false idea that she had a Canada Overgrowth that was cured by fermented cabbage juice. fermented cabbage juice. Well, happy birthday to me. That was, I mean, bracing, if I can put it that way. It's also, it's all so egregious. It's so...

There is a Facebook petition or there's petition petition, out there to try to stop, remove her from Facebook because she is selling these ideas, she's making money off of this. It's incredibly dangerous if you listen to what she's saying. It's incredibly dangerous. And obviously it's not just dangerous from a medical perspective, like to drink a bunch of this juice that has like, what did I say? A thousand milligrams of sodium in it or something. It's not just dangerous to drink this juice and it's not just dangerous to seek this

out instead of other actual medical treatments. It's also dangerous because of this continued, I don't even myth this horrible bigoted idea that there is a perfect kind of human that you need to be like and we should treat you to make you like that perfect kind of human. Whatever your fake thing is that you have come up with to address that, that idea is so damaging. Yeah, Dr. Philip apparently did have a debunk guy come on.. That she was a person bad. Good. Well, good. I'm glad I did not see that clip. I didn't watch the entire episode of Dr. Phil. I'll be honest. I don't watch Dr. Phil. You should not miss them. So I'm

surprised. I found her interview on Dr. Phil. I was trying to get more of her. I wanted her words. I wanted to be able to really find what she said and not just what other people said. She said. And so I've been to her website I've watched her videos. I've been on her Facebook page. I watched her on Dr. Phil It's it's as bad as it sounds. I mean a lot of the time I will say well at least this person seems You know like they have good intentions. Mm-hmm. I Don't I don't know that I can say this about this person. I think this is incredibly harmful what she's doing. I think it's very dangerous.

There is nothing about this. This isn't like a secret that doctors don't want you to know. It's just wrong. It's just wrong. It's just wrong. I don't know what actions we can take. If you're in Ohio, I guess you can complain to the AG. They're investigating her.

I think one of the main things everybody can try is to try it. No. If it doesn't work, then you can say, please, please. Don't try this. Please do not. Please do not. The one time, however long she says,

400 years or whatever. If it doesn't work after 400 years, please do not. Please do not. If you die, then you'll know. See what's wrong. Please do not try this. Please do not try this.

Don't do this at home. Don't listen to anything. She is telling people to do from a medical standpoint. Go talk to actual medical professionals. Please do not drink jelly juice. Thank you so much for listening to our program. Uh, we hope you have, uh, enjoyed this, uh, delightful, delightful tale of jelly juice. Well, we'll go back to history next time. It's just this is, I mean, this is, this is, this is, if you hear your continuation of

the fake Pat medicine sales people of the past, this is it? If you hear your aunt talking about something, we want you to be able to say, no, no, on Ruth, you can't do that. You can't do this. It's it's very dangerous. It's it's really this is incredible. What she is doing is incredibly dangerous. Thank you so much for listening to our program.

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