Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Love

Episode Date: August 26, 2015

This week on Sawbones, we celebrate 100 episodes of Sawbones as Justin and Dr. Sydnee pat themselves on the back, talk about the history of their show (and marriage) and explore the medical history of love. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Saabones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books! One, two, one, two, three, four! We came across a pharmacy with a toy and that's lost it out. We were shot through the broken glass and had ourselves a look around.

Some medicines, some medicines, the escalant macaque for the mouth. Wow! Hello everybody and welcome to Saul Bones, of marital tour of misguided medicine. I am your co-host Justin McElroy I'm Sydney McElroy. Welcome to our our celebratory 101st episode That's right because as you know 100 is just the end of one set of 100 things right that's why we didn't mention it at the end of one set of a hundred things.

That's why we didn't mention it at the end of during our 100 show, it's not. It's not that we forgot about it. No, absolutely not. It's just that 101 is so much more important because it is the debut of the second century. Of podcasts. Well, of our podcasts, not like of all podcasts.

I'm sure there, I mean, like there are a lot of other podcasts who have more than 100. So we thought we'd do something a little different for this episode since it's our celebratory, self-congratulatory, basically, I mean, basically, we're congratulating ourselves for making it as far. For coming this far, for working this hard, I mean, we had we're congratulating ourselves for making it as far. For coming this far, for working this hard. I mean, we had a baby and we had to go and-

Yeah, out of baby, kept going, never surrendered. We didn't give up. Everybody said you can't do it. Everybody said, please stop. But- He was literally begged us to stop, like literally, like stop. Nobody did that. No matter what.

So we're gonna talk a little bit about, well, in the second half of the show, the back half of the show, we're gonna talk about the Sobans. Us. Us. The Sobans. All in here, though.

Yeah, what you're wanting to hear about the Sobans, like a prequel story, I guess, because today's episode is about love. So we thought in the second half, we'll talk about us and how we got to where we are and start podcasting and then, in the first half of the show, we're gonna talk about love.

That's the topic today, right, Sid? That's right. I know that seems like a strange medical topic. We also have a pizza on the way. So this is like gonna be the best show ever, because I'm like so stoked. And we love pizza. We love pizza.

This is a show about our love for pizza. Sid, what is what am love? You know, that's a great question, Justin, and I don't know that I'm going to be able to answer it completely, but I'm going to do my best. Give me your rest. Because let me just clarify, all I'm really talking about is love from like a medical perspective. So there's lots of people in the, I mean, not that it's not medical, but like if we get into psychiatry, psychology, philosophy, some of that isn't medical.

Who have a lot of things to say about love throughout time, and I'm not going to get into all that, because I mean, that's like 80 podcasts worth of information. Fair enough. So someone should do that podcast, but not me. What is, what is this podcast? So this is just about kind of the way that through time, doctors have dabbled, medical people have dabbled in the in the world of love, um, to try to figure out why, why what is it something to worry about? Well, yeah, is it terminal? What it... No, I used to think that love was something divine.

You know, that was the initial thought. It was that whatever emotions, whatever strong feelings you have, whatever gifts you get, that they would come from the gods or God or whatever divinity, you know, that time and culture recognized. Right. So love was just one more facet of that. So whatever you experienced, it was something kind of outside of you.

Mm-hmm. And that was the only reason, you know, that... Cupid. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Or just like the... Or the gods were playing a trick on you maybe. Sometimes that was it.

Yeah, trying to make you fall in love with like animals or like trees or whatever. Right. I didn't read that closely. And with trees? Maybe trees. I didn't read that closely. No, you didn't read what that close.

Like my mythology. Like my mythology. I like the giving tree. It's about a kid who loves a tree. Have you read the giving tree? I don't know that you read the giving tree. It's been a while. I mean, like he loves the tree, but let's.

He doesn't love the tree. Let's just make that clear. Got it. If we go back to the ancient Mesopotamians, I found this quote from that time period and this is their description of love. And we're gonna talk a lot about the idea of love sickness. And so I thought this was very, this was very appropriate.

When the patient is continually clearing his throat, is often lost for words, is always talking to himself when he is quite alone and laughing for no reason in the corners of fields, is habitually depressed. His throat tight finds no pleasure in eating or drinking, endlessly repeating with great size, ah, my poor heart. He is suffering from love sickness. For a man and for a woman, it is all one in the same.

All right. I mean, that pretty much sums it up. There you go. They had it figured out. And I think that's interesting that this far back love is described this way as like an illness. Something's wrong with you. You know, that we notice all of these like negative things like, oh, you can tell they're in love, look, let them self in the corner of the field. Talking to no one, especially when at the time, you know, marriage was pretty much a business arrangement at this time and place in history. Right, you would be denied, I would imagine, a lot more, you know, you're whoever your int- your loved one was because you would have some intended that would be a lot more, you know, you're whoever you're in, your loved one was because

you would have some intended that would be a range for you ahead of time. Exactly. There are actually, so this was a time and place of arranged marriage, not just that, but there were marriage markets where you would like have all of the eligible women, you know, who were of age, of marriage age, and you would just basically have all the men who needed a wife stand around, and you would have them stand up one at a time, and it was almost like an auction. It was like a marriage auction.

Now, if I'm correct, that was only for the first season. In the second season, they put the men on stage, and one of the women who wasn't chosen the time before, who's very popular with the audience would be the one doing the selecting. Is that correct? Yeah. And then they took everybody who didn't get a partner and put them on like an island, like a beach, I think. A paradise, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gosh, that's sad. But yeah. So they would put them all, and they would actually put them in order of the most attractive.

So the most attractive woman would be presented first and you would expect her to go for the most money. And then you would go on down the line and actually the last few women, men may be paid to marry them as opposed to them paying to marry the woman. I'm with you, yeah. The woman's father may pay the man to take her. Like, yeah.

So, I mean, if you consider that this is what marriage was, you know, you were meeting your spouse at that moment that they purchased you or that you bought them. That beautiful romantic moment when the credit card was approved. It's signed. And there were all kinds of incentives to like marry your betrothed. There were like societal incentives like like monetary pressures and then of course like social pressures to actually like the person that you know you were hooked up with through

the marriage market that you actually did. Mary because people did fall in love with other people. But there was a lot of money changing hands so you weren't supposed to marry them. Although there were, I read about two, there was like a pressure on women to do like a sacrificial thing because sex is a whole other matter here where even after you were married you should go for one day and sit at the temple and just have sex with anybody who comes by to like honor. That's what that's what that feed the birds. That's what that lady was doing.

Just sat around to along and Mr. Shot. Now when we moved to like the Greeks and the Romans, Galen was one of the first to write about the idea that there's like a physical explanation for love. And he based this on, you know, we've talked about the four humors before, and that was Hippocrates came up with that for the most part. And Galen thought that love is what happens when all four humors get all mixed together, which you don't want to happen.

That's not ideal. So the flim and the blood and the yellow bile and the black bile, they get all mixed up. And then you get sick. And he very much identified it as an illness. And this is this perception of love as some kind of dysfunction or sickness. This persists pretty much until the 1600s, by the way. Well, when I would imagine it, we have a temptation as a society, what you see it over and over again, we have this inclination to treat things that are outside of societal norms as illnesses.

I mean, you see it today with, and hopefully this is on the decline, but you see it with people who mistakenly perceive homosexuality, for example, as an illness. And I think that you could probably project the same thing onto here, right? If you, the idea that you would be in love with someone and it would be outside of your, like, the arranged marriage would be treated as as something of a of a mental illness, I would imagine, because it was such an outlier. No, that's true, because it was very much, you know, sex and love and marriage were all very separate concepts, you know, at the time. They weren't necessarily like we kind of

assume they go together now. And back then you would never have assumed that. It's just because of that Frank Sinatra song though. Well, he doesn't sing about sex though. Yeah, that would have been great. You guys know that you gotta get the bonus CD. The extended version? It's a dirty third verse. Where Frank gets real.

But you have a lot of uncomfortable rhymes. A lot of really unpleasant words. I would advise you, Liz. Would not advise this. Don't Spotify that. We can I would advise you, Liz. Would not advise you, Liz. Don't Spotify that. We can't sing it on our show. It's totally an absolute, it's not PGA at all.

It's not PGA at all. But you would have married somebody for a very practical business-like reason. You may be having sex with people for a variety of reasons, and not just the person that you married. And this was also a time it's interesting. You say that where having sex with a man

or a woman no matter what, if you were a man or a woman, it didn't matter. It's all whatever you, you know, because that was a very different thing from who you married and also who you may love and not everybody admitted or accepted that love was something that happened. Right. Because when you were in love, you got sick,

you lost sleep, you acted moody, your heart beat too fast. These were things that we associated with sickness. So you said the stuck around until the 17th century, what happened then? So we still have some people who were talking about, you know, in 1667, Thomas Willis, who's of this famous group of thinkers and smart medical people of the Oxford Circle wrote that love sickness was, it was not just, it was, it had nothing to do with four humors, but it was a neurological reaction that resulted from different chemicals in your body that dance along your nerves. Sometimes when you are excited by someone, when you see someone that you may fall in love

with, but not everybody gets it. So like the idea that there is love sickness, but there is also a love that is in a sickness, right? Okay, yeah. So some people can just be in love and they're cool. And then other people are like, in love. And it's just like that's their whole thing,

that's their whole day. I still know people like that. That's true. Yeah, I think they're whole thing. It's nice. I see, they post on Facebook a still know people like that. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. I think your whole thing. It's nice. I see it. They post on Facebook a lot. People like that. It's hot spot for that. You need not current content. And the thought is that people who were too sensitive, who maybe like had a poor pain tolerance, they said would have like a high sensibility is how you would be for love. Yes, that they would they would fall victim to love sickness. And so

it's not just like most of us can just be in love, but no, some people say that. Wait, so it's no how to handle our love. We're not underneath the table. I'll trip down on love. In the 1800s, people stopped writing so much about love and they spent a lot more time talking about sex. People got way more interested in talking about like what that's all about and what that has to do with who's doing what and who doesn't want to tell what's going on.

We came a lot more permissible to, I'd imagine, not just the territory of some of your more rivelled vards. Exactly. They thought that romantic love was actually just, it was kind of a reaction in some form to sex. It was either like a trick to get sex or maybe... Okay, I mean, chemically speaking, they're not like crazy for a rock.

Well, no, but it was a very cynical view of love. The idea that while you're really after in some way is sex and that love is just somehow loosely tied to that. Maybe an unfortunate consequence of having too much sex with the same person, then they love you and the oops. Then you're doomed, you gotta keep having sex with them. But not everybody agreed. I think it's interesting there's a doctor from the time period, Dr. Ray Pierce,

who wrote about lots of different things medically. But in regard to love, he said, you know, it's still important, it still matters, it's still its own entity, separate from just the pursuit of sex, but you still need to be careful about it because he thought it could cause something called mental starvation, which is basically when you redirect the flow of blood from your brain to other parts that are less important for daily thinking activities. So don't spend too much time in love because then you're not going to be very good at anything else basically.

Gotcha. So be careful with that. Good advice. But at least it was a defensive love. Obviously, as time has moved on, we've spent a lot of time studying and trying to figure out what love is, what causes it. It's really an area of interest for not just doctors, but like I said, psychologists and philosophers, a lot of people have tried to figure out like, why? What does it mean? When you see somebody and you fall in love with them,

what's happening? I don't know. I'm not a scientist. Well, in part at least it's chemical. You're right. So when you look at your significant other or the person that you're going to fall in love with tomorrow, that special somebody you're going to see on the train tomorrow, and you're just going to know in that moment. In that moment, you're gonna fall in love with tomorrow. That special somebody you're gonna see on the train tomorrow.

And you're just gonna know in that moment. In that moment, you're gonna think something divine has happened. But really, it has to do with a release of dopamine. Releases a release of dopamine. Yeah, that's true. Among other things. But one big thing is a release of dopamine

from the VTA, the ventral tegmental area of your brain, which lights up and releases a ton of dopamine. Dopamine is the, the feel good chemical, right? You, it's released when something feels good and your brain wants to remind you to do it again. So it causes elation and euphoria and obsession and longing. It's the same part of your brain that is lit up. Um, if you have an addiction to a drug and you do that drug.

So you're basically, you become hooked on a person. It's you crave them. You want more. It's the same reaction when you see somebody that you fall in love with. You also release a lot of norepinephrine, which makes you more alert and makes you more attentive and it makes your heart race and and your blood vessels dilate, and all that stuff that we associate with, you know, feel like the physical sensation of being in love, you know, feeling like sweaty and nervous, and your heart racing, and all that kind of stuff.

Gotcha. There's a lot of other chemicals involved in this. There's like oxytocin, which we associate with like milk production and breastfeeding and contractions of the uterus, and all that kind of of stuff is also released when you like cuddle or touch somebody that you love and it makes you want to cuddle them and be with them more. Your sex hormones estrogen testosterone and endorphins all play a role. Which is all very cool but why? What's the point? I don't know. Songs, cell-green cards. I don't know. I got nothing for you.

I mean, if the whole point was just so... The point, the point, it's just like, great. So your great thing happens. But why have we developed this evolutionarily? I mean, like, why is this something that humans do now? I mean, because this is still a question, like, because it goes beyond just the drive to procreate. Love is not just that. I think it's because I think it's because the world is hard. And I think that we are drawn to the idea of having someone else who's going to go through it with us. That's what I think. I think that's beautiful, but it's not very scientific. It might be an evolutionary advantage, because... That's like a fancy pants away of saying my thing.

No, because this is very... We have been selected. There is a selective pressure on us that those of us who love survive and those of us who don't... Preach and sister. Right there. There's a gladest night song about that. Let me sing it to you. Hold on. There's also a dendon. Henley wants to say love will keep us alive. Do you know what I mean?

Are the survivors people in the world? I was going to sing you some Eagles because I know what a fan you know. I'm solid on that. I'm on that front. So the thought is that if you're romantically attached to whoever your partner is that you rate, that you decide to raise children with, not necessarily the person that you created the children with, but whoever you are, you know, going into the child rear and experience with, if you love them, if you're romantically attached to them and not just like a partnership, like, hey, I think we'll do this, like business deal, we'll do the same together, you're more likely to stay together, right?

If you love the person. And it's easier to raise a kid when there's more people to help out. I mean, that. So there's a lot of thought that the romantic love creates couples and family units that a couple is the basis of a family unit and humans thrive and family units.

And so it's advantageous. Also, if you love your partner that you are creating your family unit with, you may be more likely to be monogamous, maybe not. But this also limits the spread of sexually transmitted infections, which is an evolutionary advantage as well. Sydney, that was the most beautiful thing I've ever heard. Really? Let's go to the building department. The medicines, the medicines that I skilled in my car before the mound. The dopamine is flowing.

The dopamine is flowing. Speaking of dopamine, we're going to take last ten minutes to just tell you how we got here. Because it's our 100th and first episode celebration, self-congratulations, episode. So this is a story, the story of Justin and I is a story that has its ups and downs. It's very sad at first. It starts with Justin breaking my heart. Would you like to share that part?

I'll start with that part. The other thing about this beautiful story is that it will be at most 10 minutes long because the pizza has arrived. Pizza light. Is that it will be at most 10 minutes long because the pizza has arrived Pizza art and when you've been married this long you love pizza a lot Not more than your spouse, but but a lot a lot so yeah, Sydney and I met when we were doing a Community theater production of the Wizard of Oz. That's right. I was girl of Oz number three I was girl of Oz number three.

I was Lord Growley. I was the guy who welcomed the door horse of a different color. That line's not in the show, but like I was that guy. Right. That was me. Yeah. We met there. I was 12. Yeah.

Nothing. Yeah, something like that, 12, and I would have been 14 or so. Yeah. That's all right. So we, we, uh, we, but we didn't actually date, quote, unquote, date then. We didn't date for another, uh, year's fine. Right. So we, but we didn't actually date, quote, unquote, date then. We didn't date for another year or so. I was stage managing a production of Charlotte's Web for also for the, the same children's there.

And I was on the crew. Sydney was my assistant stage manager if memory serves. Did you make me assistant stage manager? Yeah, I promoted you. I didn't, I don't know if I remember to tell you it out. Congratulations in retroactively. Now you may you may remember what it was like to date when you were 13 and 14 or whatever. But for us that manifested as so we talked a lot backstage about all the movies and books and TV shows that we liked. And you came over to my house and we played

what, Monopoly on the computer. And we would call each other in the evenings and watch Space Ghost Coast to Coast while we talked on the phone. That's true. There's the high points that I missed in you. Those are the high points and then I messed it up because I went to church camp, I didn't tell Sydney I was going,

listen, I have no excuse excuse I was an idiot child I didn't know how relationships worked but I didn't even know I'd messed up until I got back and I'm this is I mean I was crushed it was like two weeks it was it was bad so I called it was like two weeks he didn't call and I didn't know where he was and I called his house and there was no answer and I didn't know where he was, and I called his house, and there was no answer. And I had no, I have no excuse, but so I didn't know what happened, and so I thought I got dumped,

and I cried to my friends, and I was very hurt and very sad, because everything was going so well with the space ghost in it. When I got back, I asked her to homecoming, and she said no, in the relationship. Dun, dun, ski, that's the end of Justin Sidney. No more relationship for them, I bet.

And then a lot of time pass, high school pass. 10 years. That was my freshman year of high school. And we got together the end of my junior year of college, right? Yeah, so that, not 10 years. Not 10 years, but a good chunk of time when we didn't see each other.

That's right. I mean, we would lived in the same town, so we would bump in each other from time to time, but we weren't like hanging constantly. No, I started, the only reason that we started running into each other a lot again is because we had a mutual friend, Michael Beck. Michael Beck, hi, Michael.

He's done. He doesn't listen to our show. Hi, Michael. Yeah, we're gonna make him feel bad about it. Yeah We ended up having a mutual friend kind of accidentally you through the theater department and him and I were in the same scholarship program Yep, and we started going to the same parties and kind of seeing each other Not seeing seeing no just like like high What's going on? So then we're at a bar called Banana Joe's Island Party. Yes.

Banana Joe's Island Party, which hysterically, there was a crappy club that opened next door that called itself Pineapple Tom's Peninsula Bash, which is still the funniest thing that's ever happened in my entire life. Banana Joe's is no longer banana Joe's sadly. It's whiskey rocks. I think it's whiskey rocks.

It was silver something for a while. Yeah. It's been a lot of things. Anyway, we were there. I was pretty freshly single. Yeah. Yeah, like a month single or less. And we started dancing and we're on the dance floor,

just getting down. Justin has moves. Oh man, I'm a funky dude. We both had enough drinks in us. Yeah, we thought we both had moves. Very good at dancing. And speaking of moves, I said to sitting, you know, when we dated the first time,

we never kissed and I think we should rectify that. Wow! What's up, my last move, like a marathon runner throwing himself across the finish line. I used up my last move to secure my wife. It was very smooth. It was so awesome. It was what I read.

It was the last of the time. I fell for it. Hookline and Sinker completely. Now to be fair, I had made it easy for you because I saw you and I wanted us to hang out. And so I did the classic, I had made it easy for you because I saw you and I wanted us to hang out. And so I did the classic, I don't know, I think everybody does this.

Like I wanted you to talk to me and I wanted to make it easy. So I wandered over to the bar by myself. I separated myself from the pack. It wasn't easy, okay? It wasn't intimidating. Yeah, it was very, it was, I mean, is there more to tell in between then and like Then we got married like I would we just didn't break up

Like that's all you have to do right we didn't break up, but um I had no intention of us being as serious as we were We both said that I don't know maybe we want to go we get we would we didn't break those of attention I said I said listen, you swaff dude. Listen Romeo. I had been a- Listen, Cole Ryder. I'd been in a long relationship and I needed to be free and I'm not looking for anything serious. So we've known each other for a long time.

We had a lot of fun together. When we were younger, we can have some fun. But I'm not looking for anything serious, okay? And then we like dated for two years? Yeah, what? What we dated for a year. What we dated for a year. Do you remember we dated for a month pretending like it wasn't serious?

Yeah, then we just kind of like gave in to. Well, then you told me you love me. I did. Well, I did. This is getting too personal. I don't think that's too personal. You told me you love me a month and I already knew I loved you. I did, well, I did. This is getting too personal. I don't think that's too personal. You told me you love me a month in and I already knew I loved you.

Do you remember when I first knew, I've told you this before when I knew the moment that I knew I loved you? Mm-hmm. I'll never forget. You've forgotten how many? Never. I just said never. Just two personal to talk about in podcasts.

Okay, yeah, jerk. I've told you this before, the moment I knew I loved you, this isn't very romantic in retrospect. We had gone out to a local karaoke bar, Charkeys. And before we went out to have some beers, we had some coffees. Right.

And that is a mistake, friends. Yeah, that was a terrible mistake. Don't have a belly full, especially with Justin makes coffee because I was drinking your coffee back then So it was like sugary sweet creamy Coffee deliciousness and I drank a big ol' cup of that and then we went and we were drinking like Miller light and Two beers in I was like my stomach does not feel good I have coffee and beer all swishing around in there and so I went and sat outside and you came and sat outside

with me and you put your arm around me and we were sitting outside on the sidewalk outside of Sharkies. And I knew I loved you, I don't know why. I don't know what happened, it was dopamine I guess. I named the North enough for an episode. I knew sooner, like 20 minutes before that, just for record.

I know you love me, but I knew sooner than that. So. When you saw me turn green in the ball heart, and then it looked like I was saying, like, country right, tell me how. So then we got married after that, and we said was doing her residency, and I started doing the podcast thing,

and we decided we wanted to record a podcast. We started with as kind of a goof, we would do these, there's this thing audio boo. I think it's called audio boom now. I don't think anybody uses it really. It's kind of like a micro podcasting thing where we would do these point counterpoints. You remember point counterpoints?

Yes, I do. We would just talk about, we would disagree about something on the couch and we'd be a few drinks then and we think, oh, this is funny. Let's just put this on audio boom. Let's do a point counterpoint It would be me and her just like passing the phone back and forth arguing our point. I can't remember what I don't remember any Are they out there? Can probably somewhere on the ether

but After that we decided after one of these we're like know what, I got the podcast we should do. I don't remember how we freaking came to this. I cannot fathom it. My parents were always telling us that we should watch two and a half men. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh wait, they were constantly like,

there is this show, it's called two and a half men. It's amazing, you have to watch it. And we were like, we're not gonna watch two and a half men. But then, Aston Kutcher came on, and it was just so bizarre, it was like a very bizarre time in American history. If you're listening to this, well, after the fact, it was very bizarre time

where we let go of Charlie Sheen as a collective and welcome Ashton Koocher onto To-To-To-Hap Men. And we thought it would be, we just thought it would be hysterical to do it to an Half-Man fan podcast by two people who hadn't watched until Ashton Koocher joined the show. I also thought it might be a little bit infuriating to anybody who really loved the show. Like I was kind of like,

like, poking at my parents with it because like, we only joined on after, I guess it didn't, it wasn't as good. I'm assuming, I'm assuming it got, I mean, it had to be better before that. So we did this podcast with was beautifully titled losing the sheen which is a really really good name. That was mine. Yeah, it was excellent. And then we decided branch out into other TV shows we did a show called the satellite dish with Justin and Sydney for God we did like a bunch of episodes of that right? Yeah, a lot until we finally got to a point where we could not watch television all the time.

We were watching stuff just to like have something to talk about on the show. And like, it was just bumming us out. We were watching TV constantly. And we felt like we like had to keep up with it. So we abandoned that, because we just could not. I mean, I liked TV. Another great name, by the way, the satellite dish,

because every episode I would ask to see me for TV gossip, which she never had, because she didn't follow TV gossip, I would say, say, give me that dish. Give me the dish. What I had to do was go, I had to go seek out TV gossip. TV gossip is bad.

I was just like, so now we have an entertainment weekly subscription forever. So we gave up on that, and then we got, then we were sitting at Black sheep talking at burritos, which if you ever come to Hudson, that's the place I usually recommend people go. It's good stuff. But we were sitting at black sheep burritos,

talking about like what our next block has to be, and you would have avoided the medical stuff or so long because you get into some weirdness with like giving people medical advice. And I mean, that's what we have to disclaimer at the beginning because you know, you don't want to misconstrue any of that as like actual medical advice. Exactly.

There's a lot of legal issues with that, and I just don't, you know, I don't want to go down that road. So we adapted it to be about medical history, because that's in the past. You can't really, you know, get any tips that way. You can't take that as advice. We're literally making fun of people

for doing bad things. We explicitly tell you not to drill a hole in your head, so. Yeah. And that's how we got to where we're at. And now we're 100 and one episodes in, believe it or not. That's right. I know. And we had a baby.

And we had a baby. Yeah. And we moved. I have a lot of that a lot in addition to the podcast. And we're still in love. And we're still in love. And hey, as a side note, thank you to everybody who has been so supportive of the show in these past 100 episodes, 101 episodes now.

It has really meant the world to Sydney and I. Yeah, it has. Thank you so much when you send us emails and messages on Facebook. And we don't, and in tweets Facebook and we don't and in tweets and we don't always get to mention everybody and we don't get to do all the topics you suggest and we don't always get to respond to all of them but it really means a lot. I read everyone even if I don't always respond, I promise you. I read everyone. She's terrible about responding. So I read the sweetest emails and I'll say, did you respond? Just like, and no, I don't't know That is not what I say. I know that is not what I say. I just I'm usually I'm usually like reading them mid-nursing or something

Yeah, yeah, but um, but it really means a lot. Yeah, I love hearing from you guys I love your stories and thank you for reviewing the show and subscribing to show and sharing the show and and everything It is it really has meant the world to us. So thank you so much. And we're gonna keep going. I think we should keep doing it, don't you? Yeah, I mean, we kinda have to at this point. Yeah, basically.

I don't know what, I don't know how we do. We sold out. I don't know how we filled the time. We're just sitting around, darning our stockings. We got- We got nothing else cooking. We've got nothing else cooking. We got nothing else cooking.

Said one of the constants of sobbing since EP1 is that we've been a part of the Maximum Fun Network. And it is a great family of podcasts. There's a ton of good stuff on there. It's all at MaximumFun.org, waiting for you. I'd list some shows now, but again, a pizza. To just go check them all out.

Just go listen to them all. None are about pizza. Not this pizza. I just go check them all out. Just go listen to them all. None are about pizza. Not this pizza. I don't know, there may be one about pizza. There may be about a podcast. Like occasionally about pizza. I literally did an episode of my brother, my brother made that is just about Tatino's pizza.

So yes, there is their, their pizza on the website. Thanks for your love pizza as much as we do. Yeah, thanks the taxpayers for letting us use their song medicines as the intern entrepreneur program. Go buy all their stuff. Last warning, we are going to be in Portland, Seattle and Vancouver this weekend. Tickets to Portland are already sold out, but we're going to be in Seattle on Saturday night and Vancouver on Sunday night. Tickets are available to show with my brother and my brother and me.

Tickets are available at bit.ly4thlashmbmbamciaddle. And bit.ly4thlash vanmbmbam. So you should come out to the show. It's gonna be fun. We're gonna be there. Charlie's with us. And my little sister Riley ain't cool. Yeah. It's gonna be her birthday during the Vancouver show. Yeah. So you know, wish her a happy birthday. and my little sister Riley ain't cool. Yeah, it's gonna be her birthday during the Vancouver show. Yeah, so, you know, wish her a happy birthday, bring her cupcakes. She's turning 15, so.

You don't need to bring her cupcakes. Get her, huh? You don't need to bring her. No, you don't have to bring her. I mean, unless you want to. If they're great, and bring me one too, wouldn't let her eat baked goods. Like your parents are entrusting us with their wife

or not getting to let her eat baked goods at some stranger made That's like 101. I trust our fans. Would you trust our fans to feed Charlie? No, just because it's Riley. It's not your kid Okay, well, I don't know maker like um, do you know how to make like those those bracelets like friendship bracelets? That's gonna do it for us folks. Thank you so much for joining us for this past hundred episodes That's gonna do it for us folks. Thank you so much for joining us for this past 100 episodes. Until next Wednesday, I'm Justin McRoy. I'm Sydney McRoy.

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