Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Medical Astrology

Episode Date: June 8, 2018

Does the position of the sun and the stars at the time of your birth determine your medical history? No! But some people thought it did. Scratch that, still do. Oh, and can we talk about Dr. Oz for a second? Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

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Some medicines, some medicines that escalate my cop for the mouth. Wow! Hello everybody and welcome to Saw Bones bones a metal tour of Miss guided medicine. I'm your co-host Justin McElroy and I'm Sydney McElroy Oh, Sydney. I'm excited. I'm nervous. I'm pumped. I'm pumped. We're doing a timely I get episode this week Yes, we are hot topic hot topic and I you know what I get exponentially excited about an episode this week. Yes, we are. Hot topic. Hot topic. And you know what? I get exponentially excited about an episode. The more times I hear Sydney go, ah, come on. I what? And she won't tell me what it is obviously because she wants to keep it

for the actual. Because that's the show. But like, oh boy, she's been a tizzy. As many of you know, and I did, if I had made a thank you list for this topic, it would have to be continually updating because as I was researching this up to recording it, people are continuing to tweet and Facebook and email, hey, you've got to talk about this. So thank you to everybody who was all over it. I'm with you.

I saw this tweet and I was as devastated as you may have been. Dr. Oz sent out a tweet yesterday. And we'll get into all the specifics of it, but basically insinuating that astrology could be somehow used to help you make decisions about your health. Dr. Oz. Um, so I'll get into all the specifics of that, but because of that, because Dr. Oz is a doctor, a medical doctor.

A cardiothoracic surgeon. Yes, he is. And I have, I'm not calling into, in, into question any of his qualifications. No. But he has suggested that somehow medical astrology may actually be a scientific field or something at least worth exploring for your health. Draws, that's my nickname for him. I wanna try it out. Draws.

Draws. So I thought it would be worthwhile to investigate a little bit the history of medical astrology and then talk about what this looks like today. Well, this will be a little more a little more modern than a lot of our, which is weird because it's about astrology. So do you know anything about medical astrology, Justin?

No, sorry. I don't. I know that I'm pretty worked up about Dr. Oz constantly, but if you want to take a step back and talk about medical astrology I suppose I can indulge you. Do you know? I mean you most of us are kind of familiar with astrology. Mm-hmm. Your zodiac sign. Yes, Scorpio. I mean astrology is more than your zodiac sign But like that's kind of the familiarity most of us have. Yes, Scorpioio I'm an aries. I am probably a little more familiar with this world because it is one that my my mom Embraced and so I learned a lot about it as a kid. I think a lot of us are kind of fascinated with it when we're younger and I used to read my horoscope because I Like to know things about me everybody likes talk about themselves I really like to know things about me. Everybody likes to talk about themselves.

I really like to know things about themselves. And that's kind of what it does. It tells you more stuff about yourself. Does it? Well, it says it does. The medical astrology specifically, which is also known as Iatro-mathematics. Okay. Which sounds real.

It's like, doctorally calculation. I know about mathematics. So those are real. Well, you put the word mathematics in there and it really sounds like it's something, right? Which is it is a very ancient term for it. This is an old old thing that we're going to talk about. Back when the idea of astrology and astronomy and math and medicine all overlapped a lot more than we would. Because we were making up all of it.

Because we didn't necessarily have the ability to test all of these things or knew the difference. So in generally speaking, it associates different signs of the zodiac with various parts of the body that they govern, which can inform you about based on your sign, what kind of health conditions you may be predisposed to, or what kind of problems you might be having if you have vague complaints. And it's much more complex than that. It also connects various planets with different parts of the body and all that works together, depending on where and when you were born.

And it's, as we get into the particulars, it is a very complex pseudo sign. If we, and could we just to save me the effort, and to keep this from being a three hour long episode, just imagine Sydney's throwing in a lot of like purportedly and supposedly like where applicable, okay? I am living in this world for the moment. We're living, come with us, step inside

into the world of the strategy. We're on the verge of a fight. Into the cosmos. So let's pretend. All very. And astrology is obviously, it's even broader than what I'm talking about because there are various kind of astrological understandings depending on where you live in the world, your religious background, your culture.

I am talking very much about the kind of the zodiac that we are, a lot of us here in the US are familiar with. And it's also the scientific study of the planets. No, that's stars. No, that's astronomy. That's astronomy. Please, please make sure you know the difference. Okay.

Got it. So to give you kind of an idea what I'm talking about, I am an Aries. So what that would mean is that I am prone to problems with my head, face, brain, and eyes. So, medically speaking, maybe a sinus infection. And listen, let me speak for everybody who's ever met you and just stay for the record. There's not a single problem with your face. Well, thank you, honey. You're welcome.

And I know that's how you define yourself worth. So it's important for me to try to lay that on as often as possible. Right. That's exactly... That is my biggest concern every morning. I do wear glasses. I will say. Okay. I guess there is a problem with my eyes. It's interesting. Justin, you are a Scorpio. So you are prone to problems with your reproductive system, your sexual organs, your bowels, and your ex-critory system. So they're like 50,50.

Like let me say this, let's say I have problems with my downstairs and they say I have problems with my butt. They're 50-50. I have two kids. You just go ahead and run the numbers, okay? I'm going to be a discreet gentleman and just say, that's not say anymore.

So you can, and you can look up their lists of how each, and it kind of just goes down the body. Like as you go through the, the zodiac signs throughout the year, like starting with aries, which is in like March to April, you start with like the head and Taurus to the throat, Gemini to the arms, Cancer to the chest, Leo to the heart, like it keeps going down and to get all the way to Pisces.

What about Cancer? That one seems it that one seems like right there, right? That's just like a slam dunk, because you see one. Chest, breast, stomach, and ureosophagus. Okay. Okay. But all the way down to Pisces who are supposed to have problems with their feet and toes. And they're adipose tissue. I thought that was a strange one to throw in there.

Like from Dr. Who? No. Well, I mean, yes, but like fat tissue. Oh, right. Like adipose tissue is a real thing. Adipose the little friendly fat creatures. Okay. Or from Dr. Who.

That's so confusing though. Can we change the name of the fat tissue for crying out loud? Please. Dr. Osmite, I don't know. So a medical, a medical straw. These are all dry. Turn from fat into sentient beings. Please. Dr. Osmite, I don't know. So a medical, a medical astrologer. These are all guys, turned from fat into sentient beings.

What are we doing about this? I brought on three guests that I found that are really down-fit. A medical astrologer would basically do your nativity chart, which what that means is. We got one of those. We hang it up usually around the end of November. And we follow it every day. We take out a little piece of candy here. That's an advent calendar.

Oh, okay. You can understand my confusion about. The your nativity is a, it's like a, I mean, there's like some, there are calculations involved in this. That's where this gets really complex. And I have had mine done before. It has to do not just with your sunshine. That's where this gets really complex. And I have had mine done before. It has to do not just with your sun sign. That's the sign you're familiar with. That's where

the sun was when you were born, in which one of these positions. But it also tells you your moon sign and then it tells you where all the different planets were at the exact moment of your birth. And then all of this together is your nativity. And that's much more complicated than just where the sun was. So a medical astrologer would do all this math and figure all this out about exactly where all these planets were at the time of your birth and the sun in the moon. And then tell you like a whole preventive medicine as well as how to deal with chronic illness, as well as if you came with chronic illness, as well as if you came in sick with a sore throat, what to do about that at that moment?

All of that can be gleaned, supposedly, from your nativity chart. Does that make sense? Yes. So that's kind of the basis. And like I said, this dates back to ancient times because, you know, the planets do. Sure. Plan that out there forever, like hundreds and hundreds of years. And a lot of people, I mean, if you connect it to a belief that there are many gods and that the gods have control over the universe and the planets and the stars, and we are kind

of a continuation of that, you can see where it would be easy to begin to understand us as part of the universe and under the influence of heavenly bodies and heavenly beings all together. You know, I mean, you can see where that belief would begin to be generated. Mesopotamians thought specifically that the movement of the planets reflected the will of the gods, and so that same will of the gods could then affect our health and well-being. So all of that is connected. Hypocrity's was a firm believer in medical astrology. And if you look, a lot of the learned mainly men of ancient times, I mean, there were

women, but like a lot of the people we talk about were men. A lot of the learned men were well versed in medicine, astronomy, astrology as well, and math, and all of that would be intersecting. Galen was skeptical, I'll give him that, I'll give him that. Galen was one who was like, I don't know.

Pliny was on board with it, nothing in, of course I might. I couldn't get any choice nugs from Plenty the Elder on this one. He just, other than like, he definitely felt that they were all overlapping arts and sciences. You can give it to the old time of people, because they didn't know how any of it worked.

So I guess it's not a worse idea than anything else. Like, I don't know, maybe the planets? Should we guess maybe the planets are doing it? Because we have no other recourse in that. Like, maybe it's the planets doing it. I mean, it's this stuff. It's just planet. It makes it makes no less, no less sense than like the measma theory of disease. Like a bad smell. It does. It's going to waft into the room and give everybody the plague. Like, it doesn't, I mean, mean it's no less what I like about it is they were so they were struggling so badly at this time in terms of like actually treating stuff

that it must have been a little bit of relief to just be like okay listen y'all I know we've had a hard time but this whole time it was the planets were we so We're so sure that our fault is a different plan is just mercury because I saw your in this is fault it would work except for the different planets are in the stars and things the the time when medical astrology really shines is the middle ages yes, so there were a lot of practitioners throughout the middle ages, and I'm calling them medical astrologers, but honestly, this probably would have just been your doctor because it, I mean, it overlapped a lot, where you would go and they would read your chart and they would diagnose you based on all this stuff, and then they would give you, like, like, again, the same idea, eat these certain foods, do these certain

exercises because of all this planetary stuff and you will be healthier. In the 17th century, this started to morph into more of, again, an attempted science. It is not a science. But a lot of this had to do with our understanding of astronomy and the two kind of intermingling, which I think we're all very clear on the separation now, right? Yes. Between astronomy and astrology. I think we all are, this show. So, a lot of this came from the chemist Robert Boyle, who he thought that there were certain

particles, he called them corpuscles from the universe, that could have an effect on the atmosphere of the earth, which would then have an effect on the humans that live here, right? So a lot of medical practitioners came up with the sole lunar theory of disease, meaning that the heavenly bodies could affect the fluids in our bodies and then cause medical conditions. That sounds familiar. We've talked about this before with the phases of the moon. The idea that the moon, just as it affects the tides, could somehow affect like the fluid and your ventricles and your brain, and then cause. This was the idea behind why does the full moon call it, why are there more illnesses and

accidents and bad things happening on full moon? Yeah. Because it affects the fluid in our brain and makes us act in ways we wouldn't otherwise act. This is this is the same theory. Just expanded to all disease. Right. Right. So just like the tides, the moon and the sun and all the planets are pulling on fluids inside

your body and they're making you sick or well or whatever. And this would inform your decisions as to like if you want to, I don't know, go outside or attempt something dangerous or going along journey or whatever based on the position of all these bodies. And it's also accounted for like, they would say that it's worse if you live closer to the equator. Okay. Sure so. I don. Sure. Yeah. And also in places where it was hot, it was thought to be worse, which also that's closer to the equator.

So kind of cheating there. And like, and like you already pointed out, this was just a variation on theme, the phases of the moon effect like today, even people today think that the full moon will affect mental illness. However, when we get to today, because this is all the basis, and I don't want to dwell too much in the history of this, because I really want to talk about where, why this is important now. Modern medical astrology, I really tried to understand it by reading just, I mean, I I had to a variety of people who are practitioners and who are proponents of this because it is not a regulated scientific field. It's not

like something I can I don't have a lot of data. I'm uncomfortable with my lack of data. So I had to read what a lot of different people said and a lot of different people say a lot of different things lack of data. So I had to read what a lot of different people said and a lot of different people say a lot of different things that conflict. So it's hard for me to give you a good description of modern medical astrology. The idea is that first of all there's your sign. So your medical practitioner is going to want to know your sign. Well, they're going to figure it out. They're going to do your nativity chart. Just like they would have done in the middle ages, they're going to figure out your nat They're going to do your nativity chart. Just like they would have done in the middle ages, they're going to figure out your nativity chart. And so your sign is like your personality

and your predispositions, which by the way, a lot of this is still linked to the four humors, but that's another episode. And then you've got to consider the planets. So each planet has properties that kind of govern that arena when you're born. So that's part of it too. Then there are the aspects and the aspects are the relative positions of different heavenly bodies in space. So it's not just where they were, it's where they are in relation to

each other. I'm telling you, see I told you, this is very complicated. I can't do this. And this and this not only affects the time of your birth, but like if you come in sick, they're gonna do the aspects at that moment of your illness, or like if you're trying to get pregnant, or if you wanna have a surgery, or whatever. And then there are the houses,

which I had to ask my mom what the heck this meant, because I kept reading about houses, and they sounded the same as the signs, although this means something entirely different when you get into like, Irovedic medicine, the houses are something entirely different. I should just note. But the houses are like, they encompass each sign. Okay. And you can think of the sign itself as like a tenet of the house. This is the way it was explained. Okay. Um, and this is not just determined by the date, but by like the time.

But this was like thousands of years ago. But it's now. It's the same. But it's the, all, I mean, if anything, it's just gotten more complicated because we know about more heavenly bodies and we can measure things better, but it's all the same. Okay. Well, can you, I guess tell me more. bodies and we can measure things better, but it's all the same. Okay. Well, can you, I guess tell me more? I'm going to get into specifically Dr. Oz and everything, but before we do that,

why don't we head to the billing department? Let's go. God for the mountains. You never know who you'll run into in Fair Haven, the city under the bubble. Allison Becker, Eliza Skinner. Keith Powell. Mucous drenched imp monsters. Rob Cordray. Cristella Lonzo, Judy Greer. Grotesquely possessive carnivorous plants.

Justin McElroy. Travis McElroy. Griffin McElroy. Terrifying, malevolent, sentient beards. John Hodgman. So you were about to tell me, Sidster, the, I look excited talking about grilling. You're going to tell me about how this is still a thing. Okay, so this is still a thing. So it's the same idea. Do we understand astrology is still a thing? Well, astrology is still a thing.

And astrology, I mean, if you, this is why this was, this is hard to look at. So astrology is pervasive and it's different in every culture and religious tradition all over the world. And I am not here to be an expert on astrology as a whole. Nor am I saying that everybody who believes in astrology is... Sydney's mom would never let her go. Wrong or bad.

No, I'm not saying that. Because I think my mom did notivities for me and my friends when we were younger. She didn't do for money. And she didn't give us any intense life advice. No stock tips. No, a lot of it is the kind of the nice stuff. This is why you are so good at sports. This is why you're so tough. This is why you're able to be resilient. This is why you tend to be so sensitive when people say mean things. And it was just, it was almost like a way of therapy. And it was nice. And it was,

and nobody took money. And she didn't tell anybody to like break up with their significant others or quit jobs or anything wild like that. And she certainly never gave anybody health advice. So I think that's fine. And I am not, I understand that astrology is intrinsically linked with other medical traditions other than Western medicine. And I am not, I don't even, I have no understanding of that.

And I'm not even going to get into the way that it ties into Ayurvedic medicine or traditional Chinese medicine because there's things exist and practitioners, it's like seamlessly wound into a lot of different practices. So I am talking about the intersection between Western medicine or alpaphic. And well, also osteopathic. Oh, sure. So, and astrology. Okay. And, well, also osteopathic. Oh, sure. And astrology. OK. All right.

So in modern times, this would be used, basically, the idea is that if you use this nativity chart, you can maximize the chances that whatever you're doing will have the best outcome. So like, like I said, getting pregnant would be a good example of this, or like having a surgery or something. And this is getting more complicated because we know a lot more about

different heavenly bodies. And so you start to see like I found this whole this whole site that this one medical astrologer was dedicating to the influences of an asteroid called Hygia, which actually we've known about since 1849, but like they say things like, if Hygia is influencing you, then you may be easy going in the use of drugs and stimulating foodstuffs and tobacco and alcohol, and like they would tell you things like people who are under the influence of hygia are probably burning the can's both ends and drinking too much. And that if you don't stop this, then judgment will be handed down in the form

of illness, disease, degeneration, and habitual instability. That'll quote from the website. That's the kind of stuff that I found very upsetting because it's good to tell somebody, hey, I'm worried I think you might be drinking too much and that's bad for your health. It's bad to tell somebody that the reason that they shouldn't be drinking so much is because an asteroid is going to hand down judgment on them. Right. Right.

Yeah. So this is why I feel like it's fair game because the intersection of this is Disturbing and Dr. Oz as I have said tweeted about this Yes, your day. So Dr. Oz is Tweet which has since been deleted Yes, so I don't think I'm the only one that That was concerned, but Dr. Oz tweeted this and you can find it I found a Vox article that had it. But he tweeted for centuries, we've used astrological signs to examine our personality

and how we interact with those around us. However, these signs may reveal a great deal about our health as well. Discover what your astrological sign can tell you about your health. And then he links you to a slide show. Then this article is still on his site. So like you can follow this. If you just, I mean, Google Dr. Alza Strology, it'll come right up.

There's a slide show. And it's the same thing I've just been telling you. Like it starts out with Aries and it's like, you might have sinus issues or jaw tension or migraines. And then there's Taurus and you could have some neck problems. And anyway, it's all there. Dr. Oz tweeted about this because of a guest he was having on his show. And that guest is Rebecca Gordon.

Now I had to, I was not familiar with Rebecca Gordon, so I had to go to our website to discover more about her. And the first thing I discovered, can I just say run real quick sidebar about draws before we move on from him? Are we gonna come back to draws? Well, I'm assuming we're probably gonna talk some more about draws.

Okay. This is unsupport, if you follow draws at all, and sorry, his whole thing, it is holy, this is wholly unsurprising. The only thing unsurprising to me about this tweet was the response to it from people who are all worked up about draws like gay, buckwild. How could you do that?

Draws gets buckwild every day, maybe not every day, very frequent, I can, you know what, there's a part of me that sympathetic to it because you got to crank out an episode every day, it would become a bummer episode if you did a whole thing and then at the end of it, you're like, also, this is all made up. Anyway, that's me, Dr. Oz, you got to believe it a lot of stuff to be able to have enough material

for an entire episode of TV. The guy did an episode about how there's arseic and apple juice and it's dangerous. And we got to pull it for the menus. See, he should have done what I did, which was just talking about all the stuff we got wrong instead because it's a lot better to continue to make sure that. He did an episode about a repair of therapy for gay people.

That was sort of like, I don't know, does it, does it? I don't know. Let's talk to two opposing sides. How about you, don't, does this is different thing you could do is just don't know, does it, does it not, I don't know. Let's talk to two opposing sides. How about you, don't, does this a different thing you could do is just don't do that. And how about, say the true thing and not elevate a bunch of absolute goons who have an extra line or money to make?

It's like, what can I use of your platform? Is that Dross? You're a doctor supposedly. Well, that's, I guess we're gonna talk about Dr. Oz right now, and I'll say two things about it. So Dr. Oz, you may remember, had to testify before Congress about how he was promoting green coffee extract. The hardest thing for him must have been wondering,

like, what is it they want to, oh my God, wow. Okay, I've all the things, wow, okay. That's the thing. I guess I'll see you next week. Well, he was promoting it for weight loss and his his reaction to their questions. I found as a physician and he is as well So I held him to the same standard. I hold myself to you as a as a physician He said that he felt his job on the show is to be a cheerleader for the audience when they don't think they have hope when they

Don't think they can make it happen. I want to look for any evidence that might be supportive to them So what he is basically saying is I want to look for any evidence that might be supportive to them. So what he is basically saying is, I want to tell people that something works. I'm starting from a bias of this will help you. And then I'm going to try to find any evidence that will support that. That's the opposite of how we do science. That's the opposite of how medicine works.

Sometimes I have to look at a patient and say, I don't have a pill for that. I'm sorry, it's not easy, it's hard, and I don't have any easy answer for you. I can encourage you, I can motivate you, I can tell you all the things, all the tools we have. But if you're looking for just an easy thing, it doesn't exist. And that's a hard thing to look at somebody you care about

and say, and, but that's what, that's our job. And he doesn't do his job. The other thing I'll say is, from reading about Dr. Oz, I've learned that there's a whole other field of medicine now, which we call popular medicine. Popular medicine has very little to do with medicine. It's just the stuff people are talking about, and you can sell it. You can sell it on TV, you can sell it in books, you can sell it in podcasts, although that's not what we're doing, but you could. And that's a whole, and it's loosely related to actual medical science. And it's scary because Dr. Oz, I feel like, has he's crossed the Rubicon.

Yeah. And I mean, like one of the reasons I was so excited to do this episode is so we could just like make sure that any of you who doesn't know that does is like, if you see people talking about draws, if you hear your family talking about draws, please remind them that like it's draws in good with patro, same level draws as a Charleston, he is a Montabanc, he is like like, and he is not to be trusted. Like, he is, it's hard, honey, because sometimes he gives actual, like, sometimes the things he's saying are right, but he has muddied those waters with so much other stuff that he's becoming unreliable narrator now.

I don't know what he's doing. Well, that's a, that's a hard one. I don't know. We got to watch a show, so I'm not going to ever know all the details, but what he's telling you may be true. And it also may not. Yeah. And I have no idea Fox is a report that the truth sometimes certainly, but like that's not a source that I can trust for information.

So I know where they're coming from. So let me let me tell you about where where all this came in. Yeah. So he got a medical, well, not just a medical astrologer. She is an expert in astrology. This Rebecca Gordon, she has a whole website. You can check her out mypathastrology.com if you want to read about her thing.

And she came back, this is her third time on the show. So this is not new for Dr. Oz. This is her third time on the show. She has a book that she's pushing, which is the connection between your body and astrology and how you can use that to maximize your health potential. That's a bad title, Sid. I'm going to come right up.

No, it's very long. Your body and the stars. She also... I love that one. And she's doing two things. She will offer you an astrological health reading. Okay. So this is where it borders into

what I do and so I feel like it's fair game. So she will meet with you, do your chart and then give you health advice. And I mean, it's very, it's very clear she's not going to give you medical advice, but she's, but I mean, it's health advice. So she's trying to cover herself, so she didn't get in trouble here. And the cost of these things, so if you wanna go have an astrological reading from her, it costs $250 for an hour.

Most medical readings are an hour and a half, so it'll be $300. That's your usual start out cost. That's what they call your initial consultation, which by the way is also Dr. Langwidge, so we call it too. And you can focus on different things. You can focus on your health. She has all the other stuff too, like things like life, path work, romance, you know, all the other astrological things. But this is about health. Also, she

will give you monthly cosmic coaching. If you want to sign up for a year of this, it's $2,400 for monthly coaching based on your astrological signs from her, including, including health advice. Not only that, but she now has a four-week medical astrology class so that you can learn how to spread this. Just deputize yourself. To others. Yes. Into the whole west of validity that is.

She's franchising. I should have speak. And this is what's very upsetting for me is that I use science to advise people and people sometimes I think a lot of times really listen to what I say. And so I take that incredibly seriously. Rebecca Gordon, she's not a doctor, she doesn't have to do that. She believes in astrology, She believes she's gonna help people. She's a true believer. Who also likes to make money? We think you think you can also like to make money. No, I don't know. I don't know. She I mean she's also charging a lot of money for this But you pay a lot of money. See a doctor. So you know fair game, whatever

But she I let's assume she's a true believer and she thinks she's helping people find. Dr. Oz, you know better. You know better. I know you went to medical school. You know better. A real one too. Like a very good one. This is not what we do and it really does a disservice to everybody who watches your show

and believes it's sometimes more than me. I have patients who all say, I don't really think that's accurate. And they'll say, well, I don't know, Dr. Osso, and they are serious. The problem is, and this is something that, I mean, even though he believed in medical astrology, hypocrite seem to understand,

it is a huge privilege to be a physician. It's a privilege. It's hard work. And I'm not saying that everybody who earned their degrees and did their training didn't work their butt off and also pay through the nose for it because we do. But it's also a huge privilege to walk into a room with one other person, ask them the most personal questions you can, and then ask them to trust you to advise them on how to cope with things that are affecting

every aspect of their existence. That is a huge privilege. And to go on TV and give people false advice that you know is and try to justify it as, well, I'll just say anything to give people hope. That is so diminishing to the role of a physician. And it is, it's insulting to every person that he is advising. It's insulting because what he's saying is, it doesn't matter if it's real or not.

If it makes you feel good and you'll watch me say it, I'll say it. That's not our job. That's not our job. That's not our job. People will do that with law, right? You know what I mean? People will do that with law and say, like, listen, for you, if you kill somebody, it's not a crime because, like, go for it.

What is it, man? It's just like any other field. You can't just lie and say, like, well, I'm trying to give you a hope like that's fine Like good good. Give people real hope. There's real hope in medicine every day We make new discoveries and breakthroughs. We have vaccines There are amazing things that medical science has brought us that science has brought us that we could give people hope with on a daily basis We don't have to resort to pseudo science to give people hope and And if you look at somebody and say, and with a lot of his stuff, it's the hard stuff. It's weight loss. It's, it's how to cope with stress. It's things that there's

not one pill. There's not one answer. It's personalized. And it's, it's a journey and it's failing. And then getting back up and trying again. And if you look at somebody and say, but you can still get there and let me be with you. Let me hold your hand and walk with you every step of the way. It might be a harder journey, but that's hope and that's real. What he's saying, it's fake. And as soon as it doesn't work for you, you're just as hopeless as you were before. And you're out a couple thousand dollars because he sold you a false bill of goods.

But hey, at least you watch. You know, how's the follow up, Dr. Oz? Like what's the, well, how are you managing this patient of yours that you're giving false hope to? You know what I mean? Like how, how, how is the follow up with them? It's not existing. Medicine isn't a drive by.

It's not a Google search. It's a relationship. It's a journey because it's your whole life and it changes and it's personal and you can't stand on a stage and give mass medical advice to everybody and help them and So, you work so hard to not do it and occasionally I think you will get you we have given some very benign advice on this show I think I will I will stand where. I will stand behind. Where are sunscreen? I must say, by that. I'll stand behind that and getting vaccinated.

I'll stand behind that. But I try very hard not to give much else, because not just for liability. I know that's important. But because my dad doesn't, my dad doesn't. Yeah, your dad covers that. No, it's because I can't give good medical advice to everybody at the same time.

You can't. There's so few things that apply to pretty much everybody. I mean, and almost nothing that applies to every single person. I'm sorry I got a fun attention. Is there anything else you wanted to say about medical astrology? No, I think we covered it. I found our medical astrology readings.

Yes. So I'll give you, I've already kind of said about me. I'm Mary's, I'm supposed to have head problems. Yeah. It also tells me that I drive too fast and I need to slow down that is not true once I after I had kids I drive very slow so it's true But Justin I'll give you this information So because you are a Scorpio and that governs as we've already discussed not only your sexual organs, but your bladder and your prostate gland, although you got to share your bladder with Libra.

So all you Libras out there, you get to share Justin's bladder. They also govern the bladder to share it organ. So Scorpio's rough life force should always be directed in a more productive way and not be repressed because if that happens, self-destruction, self-destructive situations may begin. So your competitive nature will find its bliss in sports while your body will enjoy a good cardio. I mean that's me that's me medical astrology got me. I really thought that was that you I really thought like that's how that's what Justin does he finds his bliss in sports find my bliss and sports watching it playing it eating it

Whatever however I can get my sports my vitamin sports. I call it as far as modern thought on this I think we've probably pretty well covered. It's not a thing medical astrology is not I mean is it is it alive and making money? Yeah. Is it gonna help you with your health? No. As far as the influence of the heavenly bodies on us, I mean, we've already discussed sunburns and skin cancer. So that's definitely an influence from the heavenly bodies. And also you can get vitamin D deficiency, I guess, if you don't get enough sun. Or vitamin sports deficiency. the deficiency, I guess, if you don't get enough sun. Or find that's about what you know. For an efficiency, like that is for you. For me, if I'm not out there in the sun, getting my vitamin sports on the field of sport,

then I don't even talk to me until I've had my sports. That's kind of how I feel, you know. I, and again, I want to say, if you enjoy astrology, like, I mean, like I said, like my mom does, and my mom was like, I can't believe you're doing this episode. I can't believe you do this, like, I mean, like I said, like my mom does, and my mom was like, I can't believe you're doing this episode. I can't believe you do this to me, Sydney. But my mom also said, well, I would never,

I don't believe that it has health advice. You don't get medical advice from astrology. She said, it's fun to hear about aspects of your personality. And you can find, I read my entire natal chart, and it has a lot of things that I think are true, and then just as many things that are not true at all But that's because it's super long and it has like every possible personality trade in it ever and so of course I'm gonna connect with some of them and that's my take on it if you just and my and I think that also my mom has said before

I would never take money for this stuff if you really believe in this you don't take money for it So there you go. Rebecca Gordon. So, okay, well, that's going to do it for us folks. We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Make sure to tune in every week. Not to Dr. Oz. Not to Dr. Oz. And you know, don't, I don't know, just like let's just all stop pretending that Dr. Oz is like a real regular doctor. And let's give Sydney her own TV show.

She's got a face bolstered by astrology. So if you're worried about her being camera ready, don't because the sign of the moon is in the seventh house that makes her like always ready to shine. I'll never be able to practice the upkeep. The doctor also seems to hands him God.

That's in great shape. And I'm sure he's, let me, like I said, he's probably a fine surgeon. I have no, I'm not questioning that. This is like, I'm completely pulling this out of my butt. So like, no harm to a foul. But I would guess that when he's actually like practicing and not saying a bunch of nonsense on TV,

that I'm sure is like littered with disclaimers about how don't do anything after all this has to do and please don't sue him and everything, I bet he probably like, is a pretty sound doctor, right? Cause he doesn't have to fill 45 minutes every flip and day. Which is why you have to respect if you have gone into medicine, you respect the power you've been given. You have to be respectful of that because people really listen to what you say

some of the time. And that's really that you cannot take that lightly. Also, um, Dr. Oz, you can stay out of podcasting because that's kind of my thing. He's getting into podcasting now. Dr. Oz. You already got TV, man. Dr. Oz. So he's going to get around TV show then.

Oh, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying. I guess he came in. He also came in to my wheelhouse when he came to the podcasting. Yeah, so stay out of the house, Dr. Oz. Man, he's releasing a lot of them. Dross. She's okay. Well, that's going to do for us folks. Thank you so much. Probably has something to do with his sign. He's just a hard worker. He puts out a lot of episodes of his podcast. That's going to do for us folks. Thank you so much for listening to the program. Please leave us a positive review on iTunes. If you enjoy what we and the other shows and the max fund network are doing, you can go to maxwimfund.org for a slash donate to become a member of the Maximum Fun Network. You'll be sure to appreciate you doing that. And that's gonna do for us folks this week. Thanks for the taxpayers for using the song, the medicines is the intro and outro of our program.

And thanks to you for listening. We'll see you next time. But until then, my name is Justin McAroy. I'm Sydney McAroy. And as always, don't drill a hole in your head. Maximumfund.org. Comedy and culture, artist owned. Listener supported.