Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Medical TV (Part 2)

Episode Date: June 10, 2015

This week on Sawbones, Justin and Sydnee finish their scattershot history of medical TV. An episode that even the most squeamish listener won't be yucked out by! Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

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Some medicines, some medicines, the escalant macaque for the mouth. Wow! We're ready to welcome to Saul Bones, a marital tour of Miss guy that met us and I'm who's Justin McAroy and I'm Sydney McAroy Sydney McAroy what is today's Well, Justin I don't know how to I don't know how to break this to you Just just put it out for me. I'm I know that we set down to record our podcast And I waited until you started to tell you this and that seems so strange Just put it out there. I know that we sat down to record our podcast and I waited until you started to tell you this and that seems so strange.

Yeah, I kept saying like, what's the topic and you were like, wink, wink, I got it, is what you said. And that was because I didn't know how to tell you that I did not research anything. I have nothing. I don't have, I have nothing to tell you about. I don't have a topic. Why?

Well, I've been really busy. We doctors have to renew our medical licenses every couple of years. And in order to do that, we have to prove that we know things. And you're busy doing that. Like continuing medical education things. And I've been busy doing those things

so that I can legitimately renew my medical license and still be a doctor. As a result, I know a lot about some modules on hypertension, but not about anything funny. Well, we're not my dear because good news. I am ready for this exact scenario. You're ready for something? The student will once again become the master as I present to you my ongoing history of medical television in America. Justin that means a lot to me that you

were prepared for that. Well that you thought about me and how busy I've been. Yes. So working mom doctor. Yes, well, doctor mom. Doctor mom, worry not because I am ready to regalia with more tales from the annals in medical TV. I'll be honest, I was trying to be very comprehensive during volume one, which got us as far as ER, but after ER was on for 100 years,

there were a lot of TV shows about medicine, all of a sudden. There have been a lot of TV shows about medicine, all of a sudden. There have been a lot of tea. I mean, even just since I have been kind of in the medical world. Like a lot. So this is in no way comprehensive, but I thought we talked a little bit more about some medical TV shows, and I'm as hoping sort of as we go, these premises get a little more outlandish. You know, it used to be enough to just set a show in a hospital, but after ER sort of like did that, you had to have a hook. Okay. So I was wondering if you, as we go, maybe you could tell me about some of these hooks and

just like, does, does, you know, how closely they mirror the actual world. I'm just gonna like go ahead and say not. Not. But we'll take them one by one, I guess, as we go, but I'm gonna gonna like go ahead and say not not but we'll take them one by one I guess as we go, but I'm gonna predict that first up is Becker. I Know you didn't watch Becker nobody did but somehow it ran from 1998 to 2004 star Ted Danson this John Becker a mis-entropic doctor

in New York in the Bronx specifically who in New York, in the Bronx specifically, who just bad to the bone, he is opinionated, according to a computer, he is cheap, he smokes, and he doesn't care what anybody else thinks. That cares about his patients. This was on in syndication all the time, right? Yeah, constantly. Like on TBS or something.

Always one of those things. It was just constantly on. One of those superstations. Right, I don't know anything about Beck or other than, I feel like there was a time period in my life where I could have turned on the television and any given moment backer was on and it's weird how quickly our national affair with backer just sort of ended because you can't find backer now don't try he sounds kind of like house only before

house don't get ahead of me oh sorry next up is LA doctors 1998 to 1999 this is a short run about four Los Angeles doctors, and it focuses on the problems with the American medical system back in 1998. The only reason I bring it up, it did not have a long run, but one of the doctors was Cheryl Lee. He may remember as Laura Palmer.

From Twin Peaks. Yeah, in every episode of LA Doctors, she was wrapped in plastic, and she somehow doled out medical care, which is amazing. Yeah, no, you didn't watch this. You just researched it. You don't know.

We have to research it. She's so good on Twin Peaks. I have to imagine she'd be great on anything. I bet she was great on LA Doctor's. Maybe something else later to me. Was there writing? She couldn't save the show, I guess. Got another show to tell you about Sid.

It's called Third Watch. You know this one? I have heard of third watch So third watch third watch third watch is said in New York City So so far New York LA New York Keep it keep it up Hollywood you're getting there. There's some other places Hollywood places There's a place here that I live there's other places. This is a story about the New York City Police Department the firefighters and paramedics of the New York City fire department And they work okay This is a story about the New York City Police Department, the firefighters and paramedics in the New York City Fire Department.

And they worked, okay, so this is the weird thing about Third Watch. They worked in a fictional precinct during the 3 p.m. to 11 p.m. shift. Right. That's Third Watch, okay? Okay. Wouldn't Fourth Watch be the show you'd wanna see? Wouldn't the 11 to 7 be like the show?

You know, I would think so just from like working in a hospital, it tends to be the, like from an ER perspective. I'm not that I'm an ER doctor, but I've spent a lot of time in the ER through my years in the hospital. And that's when the exciting stuff happens, I would think is the fourth watch. Or is that the first watch?

Well, okay, so that would be, you know what? That's the first watch. That's the first watch. Okay. Okay. Then first watch. That's even a better name. Yeah. Wouldn't you think first watch would be?

What is happening that's so crazy at 3 p.m.? I don't know. It's like, I know the guy was coming home from work and he lost his shoe and nobody can find his shoe and somebody stole his paper on a subway. Who's up to shenanigans when they're watching the evening news and preparing dinner? And at 11 you're not even, I mean, if you are getting, if you're turned, if you're turned, I don't think that you're particularly turned at 11. Like you at least like won.

Gideon's crossing was a very short live show in 2000, starring Andre Brower, who's the captain, please captain on Brooklyn 99. Oh, okay. So this is adapted from the work of a Jerome Grootman who wrote a book called The Measure of Our Days. I brought it up mainly because it was short-lived again, trying to catch that ER heat maybe. It premiered on October 10th, 2000, and ran for one season, the last episode, aired on April 9th, 2001, and one episode, the last one, Remegna Unaird.

Do you know how much you have to hate a TV show as a network to back? How many more we got? One? One? Cancel it. Can you imagine, I have to imagine there were probably like what, 10 people in America who found out

that that episode wasn't running and we're just, like that was their week. Maybe they're month, they were devastated. Still a bustling fan community for Gideon's crossing, I would imagine. Is there? There is for everything. There is for everything.

Sure. There certainly is for everything. There is for everything. Sure, sure. There certainly is for strong medicine. Strong medicine is a medical drama that aired on Lifetime. Now, if I'm sure you saw commercials for this because they were constantly on. And you're assuming that I did because I watched Lifetime and that's television for women. No, I'm not.

Is that what you just said? Did you really just say no? Are you serious? No, because it was created by Wubby Goldberg. Oh, when you know what you do, it would be great. No, it would have what be had you are. So I thought maybe.

I follow everything she does. This was, it was the highest rated original drama on basic cable in 2001. It was about two doctors, one of which was like a worked in a clinic for the poor and another one worked in a top hospital for like rich people, rich people, and she was a conservative person and the other one run in the inner city clinic was a liberal. And they were roommates and one was really messy and one was like really a neat free.

Well sort of actually the boss tried to fuse their practices and that's what this show was about for six years. Well that doesn't make any sense. They're conflict. I thought it would have been more interesting if the inner city doctor was a conservative and the one running the fancy wealthy person clinic was a liberal.

Wouldn't that be more interesting? That is a more interesting premise, but also I think less believable, I would say from my perspective. Well, fair enough, maybe, maybe you're right. I don't know. I think I'm a liberal and I would not work somewhere that didn't take Medicaid, for instance.

How did you get hung up on believability, Sid? Let's talk about that. I always do. That's the only reason doctors watch medical TV shows. Any doctor will tell you this is that we can complain about. Yeah. Yeah, you want to talk about believability? Let's talk about Dr. Pillie Ray Cyrus.

Excuse me? Yes, doc 2001 to 2004, start. Billy Ray Cyrus, Miley's dad, as Dr. Clint, doc Cassidy. Hold on. Is Billy Ray Cyrus officially just Miley's dad, as Dr. Clint, Doc Cassidy. Hold on, is Billy Ray Cyrus officially just Miley's dad now? Is that? Well, he can't be Doc anymore, because that ended in 2004. No, but he was even before that.

So what do you want? I see, I think that that's a generational divide. Where of the generation that there's Billy Ray Cyrus and his daughter, Miley Cyrus, and then I think there's this whole other generation now who's like, you know, Miley's dad. Um, I think you're probably right, but I think those checks still cash, and I think Billy's trying to do that.

So the reason I, we're going to start getting into a theme here that is, uh, pretty great. And I wanted, uh, this is the first instance of it, for small TV shows that didn't have much of a following, you can tell that some engaged fans who maybe don't do a lot of writing have taken it upon themselves to fill out the Wikipedia entries. Stop bringing it ahead. I can see you reading ahead. Have taken it upon themselves to start to fill out the Wikipedia entries for some of these. So some of them are, you're looking at it again. I can tell I'm looking right at you. I'm staring really clearly in the direction. Okay.

I'm gonna look at her daughter on this camera. She's still sleeping. So Doc was about a Montana doctor who moved to New York to work at the Westbury clinic, a medical center next to the local hospital. We were with him from Montana. Montana Montana. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. So he left Montana to be with his girlfriend Samantha. Now here comes the Wikipedia quote Clip like Clip breaks up with her in the pilot because she and he are from two different worlds Clip has a love for God and people making him a popular doctor at the office

He often likes to insert little bits of wisdom from Montana into the clinic's Teams activity. It is mentioned in some episodes that Clint's parents died when he was young. He was taken in by his hometown doctor, Doc Johansson. This adoption leads to Clint's love of medicine. He is the show's main character. Okay. You know what I like? If he's not the show's main character, that was a lot of backstory. This is a character you see for 30 seconds in episode three, but we really want you to know because it seems like an important care. That was a long exposition scene right there. That show was probably great.

Nip Tuck was ran from 2003 to 2010, about two plastic surgeons. It was set in Miami for a while and then later in Hollywood. And it was very popular, it seemed. Yes, a lot of people enjoyed Nip Tuck. The reason I wanted to bring it up is because it was created by Ryan Murphy, who after the show went on to create Glee and American Horror Story. And I enjoy both of those programs.

Yes, so maybe you'd like Nip Tuck. Probably not. Probably not. Lost at Hollywood, plastic surgeons doesn't sound like you're a cup of tea. No, no. I think that's at the very far end of the spectrum from family practice in Huntington, West Virginia.

Fair enough, fair enough. Sid, this next one makes me a so angry that I'm hoping that you can help me with it. Okay. Dr. Vegas, 2004. I don't know anything about that. Exactly. And it only existed in 2004.

Or only existed in 2004. Unless that was the title of the show. Dr. Vegas, 2004, they were predicting how long the show was actually filmed in 1977. It was about a futuristic cybernetic doctor. Dr. Vegas. Dr. Vegas. Cybrnetic doctor Dr. Vegas Dr. Vegas

My ocular implants are failing Dr. Vegas. That's actually what they call me at work Because I'm so cool and you love the ponies and I wear these shades and like I'm constantly like lifting them up I mean like oh yeah They're like Dr. Vegas. She's at it again. Oh Oh yeah. They're like, Dr. Vegas, she's at it again. Oh bro, bro. So Dr. Vegas is about a doctor who had a Harvard medical degree, but he was the last in his class. So he ended up as the in-house physician

at a Vegas hotel slash casino. But he's still, you know, he's still a doctor. Do they have those? They're very apparent, this one does. Is that, no, I mean, seriously, do you know, is that like a normal thing? Would that be like in the ad like our own in-house physician? What does that say about your casino? Yeah, that we need that you need that. You need one. Is it like our buffets are so expansive? We have our own in-house physician or like we will give you so many free drinks. We have we have someone to treat the sores

on the buttocks of old ladies from Florida who have sat on the slot machine for 10 hours a day. Or is this like if we catch you counting cards and we beat the crap out of you? Don't worry. It's start, so there was Dr. Vegas and then there was Tommy, who was the hotels manager, Pety Paul, Joe Paylon, and who was also a hyper-congriac. And the Dr. Billy Grant, gets help from a nurse practitioner,

and so... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Wait, he is a doctor at a casino. Dr. Casino can't handle the patient alone. He needs help. He gets his own nurse practitioner to help him out to be a doctor at a casino.

It was a broadcast for five episodes and Sydney, this is what makes you so angry. It started Mr. Roblo. And this is the show that he left West Wing for. No. And now you know the rest of the story. Yeah, handle that. That's so, that's heartbreak.

I know, that's why I left the twist at the end and there was only there were only five episodes Why did I have a son? What's going to take it and back? Why didn't he go back? Probably get it gone back, but he was too proud Yeah, and what you know what that's the idea that Roblo would be last in his class is also completely unbelievable He could have charmed his way to the middle here at least. No Sam C. Born as a genius. Yeah, but you know that's a character, right? the middle tier at least. Oh no Sam, see Born is a genius. Yeah, but you know that's a character, right? I'm sorry.

The other thing that to consider is that this career path, whatever it may have been, let still lead him to Park's Recreation. So maybe if he hadn't done Dr. Vegas, but a five-up, it swings, monsoon, and China, you know, that kind of thing. I guess that's a good way to look at it. It is a good way to look at it.

Another... I am glad that show existed just now that I know that that show existed. That's crazy. And I also want to find out if Casino's have their own doctor, because I mean, maybe I'm looking for a career change. House.

I enjoyed that show. House was a great show, or it would have been a completely great show had it ended a few years earlier. House is about, it was sort of basically, like a Sherlock Holmes riff. Yes. You could say, a riff on Sherlock Holmes

about a guy who was played by Hugh Laurie who was a real miserable so-and-so. And, but he was also a genius and he was like an internal medicine specialist is that right? He was a diagnostician. And I think that's it. Okay, let's start with that about house.

There are lots of things. House was on for a while, and as a result, I think that I have heard probably every criticism from my colleagues and other people in medicine that you could level at house. So it was vulnerable to that. House was what they called a diagnostician. Now, as far as I I know that is not something That we have in the US at least not something that I was there's probably some where you have to imagine somebody I it's just not I mean I don't I think you must have done a residency in internal medicine

Yes, but then I don't know there's no fellowship to become a diagnostician Somebody I made this comment once before and I think somebody told me that that is a specialty in Japan. Interesting. But I don't know if that's true or not. Somebody, I think that was like tweeted that at me. But yeah, so as far as I know, that's not a real thing. But you still like Tows.

Yes, because, well, for a couple of reasons, one, Hugh Laurie's great. Yeah, he is great. He's great. And what's even greater is, I remember the first time I saw him in a TV interview I think he was like on Ellen and he's so pleasant. Yeah and British. Yes He's so pleasant and British and he is not mean in American like he is on the show How's this my go-to example though for like the problem with American TV versus British TV?

We're British TV will is perfectly willing to end a show like once it is run It's course in most cases and American TV will just keep going until it's dead Which means that people stop watching it because it gets bad or The people want to get powerful enough that they can end the show and house had a great ending like at the end of season I want wanna say six, basically the will they want they couple of the show kind of got together. And I know that that's not for everybody, but it was a beautiful ending that they found

to the show and it just couldn't stop. Well, and House's arc was good. I mean, because one of the things, so he's a curmudgeon, he's grumpy, he's very intelligent, but he is very egotistical. And you know, most people are vaguely familiar with the show, but he also has a drug habit. Right. And you keep waiting for him to either basically kill himself or get clean, they keep

hinting that he's heading in one direction or the other. It's either a horrible collision or he's going to be saved. And you finally think he's going to get it together. And then it just keeps stringing along. And it's too bad, because they really did. They had some great medical mysteries. Each episode was kind of like a weird case. And it has become part of our vernacular.

I'd say most of us in the medical world, patients say it too a lot. I'm a real house case, or this is a real house case. That has permeated the medical world. So has one of the things they say on house all the time, it's never lupus. We say that a lot. It is sometimes lupus to be fair. It is just not lupus as often as doctors think it is lupus. I have another big show to talk about, Sidney, but first we got to take a break and go to the billing department.

Okay. But first we got to take a break and go to the building department. Okay Sydney I have two words for you What are they? Graze anatomy You know, I liked okay, so Graze anatomy was a show. Do you mind if I? No, just give me the quick pitch because we got a lot of shows to get to okay It was a show about a teaching hospital, a surgical residency in Seattle. And it was, I liked it at first.

It was a pretty good show. It had a lot of interesting things that were true about residency and like kind of climbing the ladder, being an intern and what that's like. But then there's a lot about like romance and people like doing it in the hospital.

And every room. Yes. And stuff like that just isn't happening. And also, and I think I said this our last episode, Scrubs never fit that well unless you get them fitted, which you would if you were on television. Correct. And most of us doctors just don't look like

McDreamy or McSteamy or McGriddle. Actually, no, most of us do look like McGriddle. My favorite doctor, McGriddle, always solving the artery related cases. There was also a spin-off. Do you ever watch private practice? It ran for like six freaking years too. I didn't. I didn't because I didn't like Addison on on Grace and Adamine so I didn't want to watch your spin. Addison went to a seaside wellness center or something? Sure, I don't know. Probably. What was Addison like? Well, that was Derek's ex-wife. That doesn't tell me what she's like. You're the finder by a man. Well, no, but she came in and was interfering and if you like, initially, if you like Derek and Meredith together, then she was she came in and was interfering. And if you like, initially, if you like Derek

and Meredith together, then she was kind of in the way. And that was kind of it. The important thing is it gave work to my man, Tim Daly, as her love interest. So that's all I care about. Wings is Tim Daly back on TV. Now this show I want to tell you about Royal Paynes. And I want to just give this is like a thing that you know

happens. It's about an emergency room doctor who messes up and is wrong or he is wrongly blamed He doesn't mess up. There's a there's a mistake of some sort and he's blamed for a Patient who's important been a factor of his hospital. He's blamed for their death and he gets fired Which that's kind of weird, but the weirder thing is he goes to the Hamptons, it becomes a doctor for hire. There's a term for it, like a concierge. Yeah, there are concierge doctors, that is a thing. It's actually more and more doctors are wanting to go into it because you basically,

sometimes you don't even necessarily have to have office hours. You're just kind of at the back and call of a bunch of people who can pay cash. A lot of the times it's cash. I mean either in church or her just cash in hand. You could do it that way. And I mean the benefit is that some days you may not work but then there may be other days where you're going to people's houses all the time. He ends up serving a very wealthy clientele and but also there's an underprivileged population in this area and he helps them too.

Roe pain, Spence 2009. It's interesting. What was all the problems with like insurance can be such a hassle to deal with on the administrative end. There are more and more doctors who are looking at like cash-only models and that would be one option if you wanted to. Not for me, but maybe somebody else. Also beginning in 2009 was Nurse Jackie,

starring the Sprannis Edie Falco, as a nurse who liked herself some pills. She liked the occasional pill, occasional vike, occasional perco, as they say. Nurse Jackie. No, that is not what people say. They say sets. My, the thing I like about tabs,

the thing I like about Nurse Jackie, soon after after premiered The New York State Nurses Association decried the unethical behavior of the title character and the detrimental Impression regarding nurses that such a portrayal could have in the public stating in the first episode Nurse Jackie is introduced a substance abuser who trades sex with the pharmacist for prescription jugs She has no qualms about repeatedly violating the nursing code of ethics. Yes, correct, yes, that is right. And that would also, I would say violate

a lot of codes of ethics and just general, like. Yeah, just like, you didn't need to tell us that like no or no. That is actually in violation of our code of ethics. Yeah, no kidding. You know what's funny is, and I didn't watch Nurse Jackie, but you could level a lot of the same criticism at house. And I actually had a colleague once who was talking about house

and said, this doctor on this show shot. It was actually a cadaver and they were trying to prove if you could put a, if you could get in an MRI, if you had a bullet in you, what would happen? And so to prove it, he shoots a cadaver and then they put in the MRI. Anyway, and he said, do you know how unethical

it would be to do that? Well, yeah. Like very unethical. Yeah. Like it's a show. I had completely forgotten about this new next show, but we did watch one or two of these off the map. Do you remember off the map?

Yes. From the people that brought you Grazy Anatomy, came off the map. Do you remember off the map? Yes. From the people that brought you great anatomy came off the map about a group of doctors in a remote South American village, each looking for the reason that brought them to medicine. And this was ridiculous because it was supposed to like in trans people I think with like, this is what it's like to do,

you know, international medicine and to do, you know, international medicine and to go, you know, somewhere in like a developing country and work where you don't have a lot of resources and that kind of thing. And like, people are really amazed with that. And it's like this romanticized thing. But this was a place where there was like this cool, do you remember this? This like cool bar with like a like an island theme, like a teaky bar where everybody hung out and danced and there were like lots of white people also by the way I don't know this as someone who's done international medicine. This is not a fair representation of what we do I am very upset that we stop watching this show which only everyone sees it

Here's just a quick whirlwind tour of some of the stars of Off the Map. Dr. Ben Keaton is described as one of the world's greatest humanitarian but according to this is according to Mina and Lily who are two of the characters. He was married to a woman named Abby and they had a daughter together but then they died during an accident. How's your show going? So that's sad but then Brenner, another character whose name is a combination of breakfast and dinner, uh, shows up on the show and she's like, no, no, no, I have a story that is worse than that. My fiance was killed in a cycling accident after I asked him to go out and get me some cereal. What? What?

Like a midch leery death. me some cereal. What? What? Oh, like a mitch leery death. Clatic, classic mitch leery. Dawson's creaks spoilage everybody. Sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, that we should put at the beginning of this that there are Dawson's creaks spoilers in this episode of Soul Bone. What about Cole? Sydney, let me tell you about Cole. He was once addicted to morphine and heroin and cassoot consumes candy to stay clean. This is an actual again, visiting Wikipedia for this description. This is an actual again visiting Wikipedia for this description. When Cole and Minard must retrieve heroin

to use his painkillers, he contemplates relapsing, carrying around a stash of heroin for a whole day before coming clean to Ben, who then takes his heroin and gives him some more candy. Now, I didn't know, and I'm glad to know this now as a physician that all I have to do with my heroin addict patients is give them Candy or fixation. That's all it is. I didn't know it was that easy to kick the habit Emily Owens MD was when we watched now

that last show off the map included a doctor played by miss Mamie Gummer who Is the daughter of Merrill Street, which I think is pretty obvious when you see her and see her perform. She was actually on another medical show after Off the Map went off the TV schedule called Emily Owens MD, which is about a medical student who joins a residency and she graduated from medical school and she feels like she's finally a grown up and finds out she still has a little growing up to do

at the Denver Memorial Hospital and her med school crush Will Collins is also there. I actually kind of like that show. It was a pretty good show. It kind of neat. It was kind of, and I don't know, it wasn't too far off. It was a little. Again, some of the medical stuff,

but that's true for all these shows. Yeah. Mindy Project is a show that is based, it's a court by Mindy Kaling, who, you know, from the office. She created the Shook of the Mindy Project. The character is an OBGYN. Now, I did not know this, but apparently,

it was inspired by her own mom, who was herself an OBGYN. Now, I did not know this, but apparently it was inspired by her own mom who was herself an OBGYN. I thought that was interesting. I didn't know that. I didn't know that either. I wondered why she chose that. Yeah. It was inspired by her mom. Okay. Here's the next one. This is fantastic. The mob doctor. Now, I know you watched this heat. I know you watched the mob doctor. Yeah. So, we watched one episode of the mob doctor and we tweeted about it as we watched it because it was so terrible. It's about an actual doctor whose brother is in debt

to the mob and she is working off her brother's debt by helping mob people with like bullet injuries. Like injuries they get in the mob. And like also by the way, going and giving insulin injections to the mob boss. To the mob boss. Yeah. It was.

Because no one in his family could handle it? Yeah, it's just an insulin injection. You just put it in. Yeah, like I don't, doctors don't typically go to people's houses to do that. Like people do that. It's okay. On Duno harm, now D Harm only ran for a season.

It was about a doctor played by Stephen Pesquale, who it was sort of a modern take on Jacqueline Hyde, and every night for 12 hours he switched into an alternate evil personality that was named Ian Price. And apparently he used to keep it under wraps with some sort of pharmaceutical concoction. But when he develops an immunity,

his alternate ego comes out and starts trying to destroy his life, it is notable. Perhaps for no other reason, then it co-starred our friend, Lynn Manuel Miranda as Dr. Rubin Marcado, a clinical pharmacologist and Dr. Cole's friend. That's reason enough to watch it. So that's reason enough to, I mean,

you could probably find the whole thing on DVD. I would imagine it's available there. And you could go see Lynn show Hamilton. It's open, it'll open next month, I think, and go see it. It's open next month, I think. Go see it. It's open to rave reviews and everybody loves it. It's a Broadway show. It's a Broadway show. It's great.

Okay, Cine, this next premise seems insane to me. It's called Black Box. It again ran for one season. A lot of not great luck for some of these shows. But you know, that's television. You know, you try something that works or it doesn't with the audiences who can tell. We're not two sailors here in the television industry.

Not that I'm a part of it, but okay. So black box was about a famous neurologist who secretly had bipolar disorder and has been keeping that a secret from everybody except her psychiatrist. Is that feasible in any way shape or form Sydney? It depends on what you're saying. I mean, if you're medicated,

I'm like, you're taking medication and you're managing your bipolar disorder, it's totally feasible that nobody knows about that. If you're not taking medication and you're in the midst of a severe manic episode, it would be hard to hide that, which was really well portrayed on, you know, yeah, for sure, you know, my so-called life, Oh, my God. Claire Daines.

Okay. All right. No, not on my so-called life, by Claire Daines on, on, on the show. Border Towns. Border Towns. The show that we watched. Do we really watch this? We watched this one. I'll, but quick, but you know. Really well portrayed by Polar Desort.

In a manic episode, you can't hide it. People will know. The night shift, the name of that show is going to come to me as soon as I stop recording. The night shift is one that we also in Tolston for a little bit. It's about an overnight shift, so thank you, finally realize that that's where the heat is. At the San Antonio Medical Center,

when there's several doctors there who have like ex-military training or relations to the military, and the lead is a Dr. T. C. Callahan. Okay, Justin, I'm gonna need to talk about the show and you're gonna need to hold Charlie so I can say it. Okay. Okay, hand off complete.

This is the thing about the night shift. Being a doctor is fun sometimes. And there are things we could do that, are there things that we do that sometimes look and sound kind of cool. So like I get that, but here's the thing. We're not really that cool. You should never have a TV show about medicine,

where the main character is sitting and stride a motorcycle among his colleagues, because we're just not that cool. Like looking like a deleted scene from Grease 2. That's not who we are. We're afraid of cool writer begins. And if you work at a hospital where everybody, after their shift is over,

it goes to the roof and drinks beer together in the middle of the day or in the morning. Like is a big party? Like if there's a cookout and you're drinking at work, that's a problem. There's a problem there. People are, your physician.

Yes, someone there has a problem and they need help. This is not what it's like to be a doctor. What have you got to the hospital at 8 a.m. And as you're going in, you look up on the roof and see a bunch of doctors drinking beer. Like, is this normal? Oh yeah, every day they're out there every morning. No, I'm sorry.

And it also makes it sound like what we do. I mean, it's still, we're not. We're just people doing a job, doing our best. You put your ill-fitting scrubs on one leg at a time. That's all we are. There's nothing that we're not that cool. I wish we were. One to end on a high note Sydney, the Nick. Tell me about the Nick, because I didn't watch it. It was too much for me. The Nick is a great show. So I've been watching it. It's set back in like the early 1900s. It's at the Nickerbocker, which that's the Nick is a hospital in New York.

And it's really interesting. It's about a lot of different things like the obviously the medical things of the time. It's a lot of the heroic air of medicine. So when people were doing kind of crazy stuff because they didn't understand things very well. So you see a lot of crazy medicine, a lot of old stuff, a lot of stuff we talk about on the show, like the story of Typhoid Mary is on there. And then you also see a lot of interesting things about the time, like women's position, that time in history and race relations, and it's a really cool show, and the first season just ended, so I would highly recommend watching it all and then starting when the next one does.

So that's going to do it for us for this truncated history of TV medicine that's gotten us to the modern era. I want to thank the MaximumFund.org network for having us on. They've got a ton of great shows like Wambam Pow, Rendered, Stop Podcasting Yourself, Jordan Jesse Goh, Judge John Hodgman. No matter what what you're into you're going to find something that you like on Maximum fun you can find those all maximum fun dot org and That is gonna do it for us thanks to taxpayers. I should say thank you that expert as used their song medicines as our intro and outro And that is gonna do it for us folks until the next time that we have a medical issue to talk to you about, I'm Justin McRoy.

I'm Sydney McRoy. And as always, don't drill a hole in your head. Alright!