Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Paracelsus

Episode Date: January 28, 2015

This week on Sawbones, Dr. Sydnee and Justin putting some poopy into a bread pill. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers (http://thetaxpayers.net)

Saabones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books. One, two, one, two, three, four. We came across a pharmacy with a doing that's lost it out. We were shot through the broken glass and had ourselves a look around.

Some medicines, some medicines that escalate my cop for the mouth. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Sawbones. Umones a little tour of misguided medicine. I'm your co-host just macaroid and I'm Sydney Macaroid Before every episode Sydney night lights talk a little bit about how we're going to Introduce the topic at hand We come up with all our great comedy bits all the great you know all the great bits that you know and love from solbones. That you just, you listened to our show just for those. Mainly for the bits. We, we, we like to talk about this a little bit before we introduce an episode of the

program. Uh, in, in today's episode, uh, we, we are talking about some cat, I don't know his name, but I will tell you his name in a minute. When we were trying to come up with, uh with exactly how we would introduce this topic, the way Sydney pitched this gentleman to me was he was a weird dude who did some weird stuff and then he died. I mean, it's true. I mean, it about sums it up, right? Yeah,, I just it was hard to you know I mean he did a lot of different weird things and so Sorry, well Sydney tell me about this sorry got bad ice you know if you let ice it's like a weird taste

No, I don't like I don't see I don't like too much ice also. I'm drinking beer so if I put ice in my beer what you might not What kind of person you'd be mine only not me not I put ice in my beer, what kind of person? You'd be mine only. Not only puts ice in beer. And a little salt. Okay, well, a little salt, it depends on what, I mean, like, there's beer salt specifically for like, corona's and stuff. Who's this weird dude? But what about ice, really?

I don't know. No, it's actually like that. No, I don't know about the ice. So let's talk about it. I need new ice. We're only going to make new ice. So let's talk about it. I mean, new ice. We're only gonna make new ice. It was that fish. It was that rotten fish in there that we discovered tonight.

I know that we couldn't figure out what was smelling bad in our refrigerator. And we didn't think that maybe the fish we'd had in there for two weeks could have been it. Dun dun dun. So that was the problem. CSI. You'd think we would have figured that out.

When we almost ate it tonight, when we opened up the package to cook it and almost died. Almost died just from that. Just from that. Anyway, don't worry about us. We had some extra cod. So everything works out great. Like you do.

Like you do. City tell me about this. We're dude who did weird stuff in any diet. Okay, so we are going to talk today about a weird dude named Paracelsus. That is probably if you've ever heard of him and you probably haven't. That's the name you've heard of, Paracelsus. However, that is not his full name and I think his full name is important. He became known as Paracelsus later. Initially, he was known as

Philippus Areolus theofrastus bombastus von Hoenheim. Wow, that's a lot of name. Yes. I mean, literally, and just sort of like, holistically, that's a lot of name to process. I'm hoping that when he became known as Paraselsus, it wasn't like a Madonna thing. It wasn't just like, well, now I go by Paraselsus.

Or I guess more of a Prince thing, you know. I'm hoping that's not what it was. It was like, no, now I am paracelses, philipisarialistic, fastest, fun, howling time. Yeah, exactly. Can you imagine that calling his name, like if you were his teacher? Perry? I'm just going to say Perry. And the kind of guy he is, he would have not, he would have not been cool with that. First of all, I want to thank Kayla for suggesting this topic. Thanks, Kayla.

If you want to suggest topic for a show, email Sorbonne's at MaximumFund.org. I was not familiar with Paraselsus, so I looked him up, did some digging, and I am glad that I did. So first of all, this was a long time ago. He was born in 1493. Not that long ago in the grain scheme of Sorbonne's. I guess that's true. Yeah. I guess that's true. He was born in 1493. Not that long ago in the grain scheme of solvans. I guess that's true. Yeah. I guess that's true. He was born in what is now Switzerland. He was a

Swiss German. I don't know what country or kingdom or whatever it was. He made great chocolate. No, that's Swiss colony. Oh, do you remember those catalogs? No, the Swiss colony catalogs. No, you don't remember those. We actually reached, no. The Swiss colony catalogs. No. You don't remember those? We actually reached a diversion limit already in order for a minute. Sorry.

This is a chocolate catalog. Anyway, I mean, like it had chocolate in it. Okay. I'll take you for it. I'll take you for it. He was a man of many, of many hats. He was a physician. He was a botanist.

He was an alchemist. A lot of hats none of them personalized. Because we're gonna find that one. It had to go all the way around. They always have to hurry. So it all the way around. They always, they never have that homies. Can you imagine who went to Disney World

and needed one of the, his name, sewn on the back of the Mickey Mouse ears? So he was also an astrologer and a cultist and he has known as the founder of toxicology Wow, okay, good job, buddy. And like many of our famous ancient Doctor dudes, he was kind of a mixed bag so He was raised by his father who was also a physician and he actually started we started schooling at age of 14 And he actually started his medical training at age of 16. Wow at age of 14 and he actually started his medical training at age of 16. Wow.

Doogie, a real doogie over here. Now, with that in mind though, I don't know that he ever actually completed formal medical training. Well, the name like that, why would you need to? No. He did a lot of traveling. He had been exposed to a lot of like mining when he was younger from the area where he was. And so he learned a lot about rocks and minerals and metals. And he actually was described in one of the sources I read about him as a journeyman minor

sometimes. Okay. Need a few extra bucks. Get out there with the pig axe. Go to town. He took to much like minecraft. He took to roaming the countryside. I'm into it.

And killing giant spiders and mining. He's hitting pigs and the laydrop. Me? Pork chops and mining for minerals. He studied at a lot of universities in his travels, but he wasn't really impressed by them. Oh yeah. And this is kind of a hallmark of Paracelsus.

He was not really impressed by much. He actually said that he noted that he could not figure out how the high colleges managed to produce so many high asses. Actually a lot of high asses coming out of the modern college system for 20. Okay. I'm dead. Okay. And I'm using that as in reference to a donkey, which is why it's acceptable. Right. moment. Right. That is not a violation. No, this is not. No, it's like a donkey. You know, he eventually, you know, thought that he probably knew

better than all of the people that he studied under. And this is actually where the name Paraselsis comes from. He felt that he was following in the footsteps of Celsius who was like this ancient Roman doctor who was well regarded and who was thought to be a genius. And Paraselsis meaning like next to or, you know, after. And he kind of thought he was like better. Like, you know, Celsius? I'm better.

I'm Celsius, too. Electric Boo-G-Loo. That's where you're going. The next Celsius. The reckoning. The reckoning. And so he took that name pair of Celsius at this point so that he could show everybody like,

hey, just in case you were wondering. You know how you were way into Celsius? We'll get ready for the next generation. He spent some time as an army surgeon for a while. So let's hope at this point he had actually learned how to do surgery from somebody, although who knows who knew how to do surgery. It was like the 1500s at this point.

Right. We don't know. It's interesting because you'll read that he was taking captive in Russia at some point. And he either escaped is what I read most commonly is that he was captured by the Tartars and he escaped or he became a favorite of the court, like the royal court there, and became a friend to them. So he was like released because everybody loved him so much. And he hung out there with like the royal family and then they took him on more travels, which is actually how he ended up at some point in like Constantinople and

he found opium and that. Or you know, to them both. Maybe he was taking captive and just over time he sort of warmed his way into the social strata and became a beloved court figure possibly. Either that or he escaped. Either that or he escaped. Eventually he settled down and started practicing medicine and he had kind of built up a reputation at this point. And you'll read this a lot if you read about paracelses,

that there's all this folklore that surrounds him, all the people all over Europe and Asia, and all over that he cured in his travels. Now, I can't find mention of a lot of these people. I don't know who they are, but whoever it was, whatever he did, by the time he settled down in the 1500s to start practicing medicine, he was quite the guy.

Sounds like he was maybe selling some of his own height there. Probably. He was asked to teach at the local university at this point. He was not only practicing medicine, but he was teaching medicine. This is where his reputation for being arrogant really is founded. He was very, he thought that he knew better than not just everybody who was practicing medicine at the time, but everybody who had practiced medicine pretty much before him. So... Well, statistically speaking, probably so. Considering the time period he lived in.

But let me, let me point out, he was not just a physician. He was also an alchemist and an astrologer. Okay. You show the path a little bit. So yeah. But he would make a big show of burning medical texts. Because those were easy to come by the 1500s, right? Yeah. And so he would take these these ancient tomes that were you know the foundation for everything that they did at the time and burn them to show that he Disagrained and make like count of public spectacles out of it He he called basically all other doctors quacks and that included you know Hippocrates and Galen and

Avicena all of the kind of fathers of medicine that you were following That right not plenty you know he didn't mention plenty in Avicena, all of the kind of fathers of medicine that you were following at that point. Not plenty though, right? Not plenty. You know, he didn't mention plenty, but I bet he also thought plenty was a quiet. Weirdly, he didn't mention plenty, but plenty mentioned him. Nobody knows how it happened,

but plenty totally had a section about him. Plenty could do that. I have faith in plenty. He also, I thought this was kind of a cool thing he did. He would give his lectures at the medical school and the university. He would give them in German. When at the time, it was traditional that you would give any kind of higher learning type lecture, especially in a medical school in Latin, because that way you could only, you were

only passing on information to other people who were of the same level of learning as you. Code, secret code. Yeah. Like, if you know Latin, then you're of a certain position in the social strata and in the, you know, educational hierarchy. And so you get to know this information. We would never lecture in whatever the local language was because then it would be available

to the, to the general public. And he didn't believe that. He thought that the common man should have this information just as kind of the ivory tower folks. I'm with him there. Okay. I agree. I thought that was a pretty cool thing.

He was the WebMD of his time. And he did. I will say this. He believed in as opposed to just reading the writings of Hippocrates and assuming that he had it all figured out and not thinking for yourself, he said, why don't we try to observe the natural world? He kind of hinted at the idea of a scientific method, like testing things, figuring out what works and not just doing what people before us have done.

So these were some good ideas. It's it's unclear if he believed in magic, because that was a popular thing at the time. There were still a lot of physicians who believed in magic and would tell you that like curses were the reason you were sick and that kind of thing. And in some places they'll say, well, he did not like the other physicians of the time believe in magic,

but he did have some magical thinking that I'll get into when we kind of get into the astrology stuff. He did disagree with the four humor system, which was still the predominant thought at the time. He disagreed with bloodletting. And I think this is probably one of the most important things that he did at the time was that he did not feel that infection was part of the natural process of a wound healing. You know, because it was believed that like the wound, you would get a wound like in battle or something, you get struck with a sword or whatever. And you were supposed to like rub, dung in it or something like that.

And then it would get really infected. And that was normal. Like that's what's supposed to happen. And he said, and he said, no, maybe we should leave it clean, maybe not rub stuff in it, maybe just let it be. You're medieval squids, maybe. Maybe that's a better idea, which was, you know, well, I mean, he seems cool. I'm into it so far.

I'm not crazy about the book burning, but, you know, I've got to say warm somehow. Here's the problem. So as I mentioned, he was also an astrologer. He believed in, and this is where I would argue he does have some magical thinking, he believed that talismans could cure a lot of different illnesses. Okay. So he created a lot of different talismans

that you could wear depending on your illness as well as your zodiac sign, to protect you from the illness. So he invented Etsy pretty much. There you go. Basically. He knitted talismans. He invented talismans.

Bespoke zodiac talismans. He also invented his own alphabet to use on the talismans. So like, I guess you would have your name on it. So they were personalized. They were personalized talismans that he would make you. It's very easy for strength. Trust me. That's what it says. It says swing. And he used the alphabet that he invented that was called the alphabet of the Magi. And it was a, an angelic alphabet, I guess, divinely inspired. It's like a living Led Zeppelin album.

This has to be in Pyramid catalog, right? Like you have to be able to find this. And a original. And a original. And it teaches us of the power of the zodiac. Paraselsis, alphabet of the Magi. And just Dr. Paraselsis created the alphabet of the zodiac. Paraselsus, Alphabet of the Maddy Houseman. And she's a doctor, Paraselsus created the Alphabet of the Maddy House. Help us transmute the wishes of the universe and realize potential. With this necklace, just 59, 99, you'll

be able to harness the potentiality that the universe has in store for you. Sending your name. And then shipping and handling. If you want it personalized, but that's going to be an extra $35. We do sheep internationally. He also, by the way, I mentioned that he had traveled to Constantinople and he learned about opium there. And in this time period, he also kind of invented

lodinum, the tincture of opium and alcohol. That's one kind of an immense element. Well, he just did. He just did, OK. He was one, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, So I mentioned that he didn't believe in the four humors. He believed that all disease boiled down to three substances. Okay.

Sulfur, mercury, and salt. No. No. But he thought that all diseases were caused by an imbalance too much of one of these things. And he kind of saw them as like akin to the body, like the salt was the body, mercury represents your spirit, and sulfur represents your soul. I'm not sure why those two things are different, by the way.

So his problem with the four-human system is that it was overly complex. They were really just three different things. Exactly. Got it. And he came up with the idea that while in high doses, these things could poison you, if you had too much of one or the other, if you have the right amount of sulfur mercury insults in your body, then that's good.

And he was the one who came up with the idea, and I think I actually quoted him on another episode without realizing it that the dose makes the poison, that something taken in small doses may be good for you, but if you get too much of it, then it could be poisonous, which is why part of why he's known as the father of toxicology. If this is the right heels into the show, the dose makes the poison would be a pretty sweet

tattoo if you want to go on. That would be a sweet tattoo. And that'd be a sweet tattoo. I'm not going to do that, but do what it would be. Get it under your caduces. That'd be cool. But then I'm quoting Paracelsus. And he also believed that there were seven centers in the body that corresponded with the then seven known planet, seven minerals.

True, true, can prove, ready? Heart. Lungs. Brain. Generals. Feet. Hands. Butt.

How many are we at? Lost track. No. Can you go and tell me? Uh-huh. How many are we at? Well, it's track. Keep going. Tommy. Uh-huh. Spirit. Okay.

Will. Imagination. That was a bad job. That was definitely more than seven. Way more than seven. Trim a few off in editing. I'll fix that in post. So at the time, and this is, this is more problematic.

So the seven known planets were the sun, the moon. Okay, we're already off to a bad start. All right, Isaac Maserahi. And then Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Mars, and Mercury. Okay. By the way, what about Earth? You can see, I can't see Earth. I guess that's true.

I'm looking up. I can see I can see seven planets. This is still geocentric type. It must be. Man, it's it must be rough for people on planet sun. It seems like a bad gig. And if so you could you know you could call upon like the powers of these planets to help you like it. For instance, if you have a problem with your heart these planets to help you, like, for instance, if you have a problem with your heart, then that corresponds to the sun. And the mineral you need is gold. Okay.

So you take some gold and you'll get better. But if you take too much gold, you'll die. Okay. Um, similarly, let's say your gold bladder is giving you trouble, then you could ask Mars for help or you could just take some iron. Okay.

These are not good ideas, by the way. I wouldn't do any of this. And now I will say this was a revolutionary idea that something like some sort of chemical or a mineral could be used for a medication. At the time, medicines were all herbal, right? They were all plant-based. So the idea that you would make something in a lab,

well, or what would, you know, be a kin to a lab, use chemistry was pretty revolutionary. But again, it was kind of based on the wrong idea because he thought that, like I said, diseases were caused by poisons from the stars, only poisons if they're in certain doses and combined with certain things, so, you know, kind of off track there. All right. Well, he tried. He did come up with the idea of using mercury for syphilis. Hey, and that's a good treatment or a medicine?

No, I mean, it was, it was, no, it's not a good treatment. We don't use that, but it was a popular treatment for syphilis for many, many years to come. So, I mean, he left his mark. It wasn't a great mark, but he left it. Yeah, literally for a lot of people using mercury to treat cyphalus. So you mentioned there's some like there's some folklore about him. Can you have it with some of that? Justin, I would love to hit you with some folklore, but before I do that, why don't you follow me on down to the billing department. Let's go. The medicines, the medicines that ask you let my God before the mound.

Sid, I'm ready. Whisk me away with the folklore based around my man Perry. So I think, you know, like I said, I tried to dig up all the different, what exactly made this guy such a legend. One story in particular that I thought was interesting is, so we've talked about the plague before. Indeed we have. Yes, and it lasted many centuries. So the plague of the 16th century, that iteration of the plague, was obviously devastating whole towns, and nobody was making a lot of headway and treating it. And when we talked about all the ridiculous things, strapping chickens to them and, you know,

a lot of blood-led eating. That's satchels of pupri. And yes, in your giant nose mask. Horrifying masks. But by the way, if I see one of those plague masks, seriously, plague take me. Just take me away. At least I won't be scared of the guys

with the weird crowbeaks. Who are using their canes to examine you? Who can make you with a cane so they can lift your clothes up and look underneath and go, yep, he's dying. How? Somebody anybody.

So nobody was making much headway with the plague. It is said that Paraselsis did. However, when you hear how he did, I think I'd be a little, I don't know, I'd be a little less judgey than you, but why are you skeptical? Okay, so he went to a small town that was being completely devastated by the plague. And he decided, you know, this is actually one of the reasons he's credited as being one of the four runners of homeopathy.

Remember, like here's like, so if you take a small, small substance, substance of the thing that's making you sick, it will make you better. So he had this idea, like all these people were really sick. They were, he noticed that a lot of them were like, having a lot of gastrointestinal distress, throwing up, having diarrhea. So he made pills for them out of bread. That's fine. But he also would use a little bit of the patient's own excrement or vomit or something. Something that came out of them that was probably pretty gross. He'd get a tiny little bit on a needle point and put it into the bread pill.

me a little bit on a needle point and put it into the bread pill. You're ruining good bread. And then you would take that. I used to make bread pills from the school rolls, you know, the, you know, you want to those, were you one of those kids? You ripped the white stuff out of the school roll and you, of course, you throw the weird roll right into way. Um, crust, if you will, I don't know, thank you. And you just roll it into a ball.

And I wouldn't swallow it. I'd go ahead and eat it And you just roll it into a ball. And I wouldn't swallow it. I'd go ahead and eat it. But you'd roll it into a kind of a bread pill there. That's the wrong answer. You're supposed to dip it into the ice cream scoop, shape, mound of mashed potatoes. Perfect. That's an excellent choice too.

Yeah. Man, I love school rolls. Anyway, that's up to you. You probably wouldn't have liked these pills. That's another podcast. I'm coming to talk about school rolls. Anyway, that's what you probably wouldn't have liked these pills. That's another podcast. I'm coming to talk about school rolls. Now, you cannot buy them.

You cannot buy those or weird rectangular school pizza. Don't even try. They're not available. And you know you can't buy school rolls based on the simple fact that Justin does not weigh 600 pounds. Right. If you got a hookup, by the way, PO box 54, I don't know what's Virginia 251. If you see Justin on my 600 pound life, you know we found school rolls. So imagine I get on TV and I get to eat a bunch of

school rolls, okay? Yeah. Don't mind if I do. No, please don't, if you know where they don't tell us, don't tell us. So it is said that this worked really well and that this town did fared better than most of you. Yeah, it is like. The Ruby bread pills worked pretty good. That's why I have a problem with this. Yeah, I need some empirical evidence. There was also a very famous classics publisher.

I think that sounds so sophisticated for the time period. Like we're making bread poop pills for people to take for the plague. And then there's a classics publisher who was well known throughout the area, name for Benius, who the way the God, if that's not the most wedgeyable name ever, nuclear wedgie for what's his name again? Forbenius. That was his last name.

I think it was Johann forbenius. Not since Minkus, as there been such a innately wedgeyable name. So forbenius had some sort of leg problem as far as I can. Now in this again, like he so he had a leg problem. I don't know what that means. I don't know the nature of his leg problem, but whatever it was, Paracelsus supposedly fixed it

and he was celebrated for fixing his leg. But then Frobenius died later of said leg problem. So it must have been a pretty big leg problem. I would love to know what the leg problem was. Yeah, it's hard to say. So, but this is part of what made his, made him a name. He also was then sued, I think, in conjunction with that incident, and had to flee the town, which is kind of a theme in his life. Like he would travel around to these different places, practice medicine, supposedly save everybody's life, but then have to flee before he could even take his writings with him. Sort of like an old-timey version of the Bill Bixby Incredible. Just moving from town to town at the end of it

with his thumb out because he killed everybody with his weird poop bread. But then I guess he would go to the next town and be like, hey, you know what I did back there. Good news. Don't call them. Don't ask. Well, you can't call them. They're no phones. Okay, don't telegraph them. But things are going great there and I helped everybody. And they just said that I need to come share my special gift. So I'm going to come help you now. Congratulations. What a thrill this was to be for you.

Do you have any bread? Or whoop. So he, so like I said, he's writing, he's traveling all over Europe. And it's important to know that as he leaves different places, he, he leaves so quickly often because he's upset someone that he leaves his writings behind wherever he is. So he's writing down all of his ideas and theories and like taking on, you know,

hundreds of years of medical knowledge and, and then he's abandoning these papers and, and taking off. And sadly, it's among these many travels that he then dies. No. Nobody really knows why. He was found dead in the White Horse Inn in 1541. And it was, there was actually one site that thought it was like a... I'd been... 41, 48.

48? Pretty good at the time. Yeah, not bad. Not a bad run. No. So, who knows? There were a million things at the time that killed people that early.

But there was actually, one side I read had kind of like a conspiracy theory about it. Like, oh, maybe he was taken out because he was challenging the popular medical knowledge of the time. Right. I would doubt that. But as with most people who make a small impression in their life, but then lead behind

tons of writings, he was much more celebrated in his death. So about a hundred years later, people start finding and collecting and putting together all of this stuff that he wrote and left all over Europe, basically. And people begin to use this as a basis for a new medical theory and take on the ideas of hypocrite. So all of a sudden, these giants of medical knowledge are being uprooted by this group of physicians, if you want to call them that, who are saying, we don't need to read books about medicine to be doctors. We just need to look at the natural world. And for some reason, this was a religious movement too, so also read the Bible.

And then you can be a doctor, but you don't need to study or go to school or have any formal education or training to be adopted. You really is the WebMD of people. You don't need to know anatomy. That was part of their movement was like, an anatomy is whatever. You do need to know chemistry. They did think that was important. Drug companies would love these people.

You don't need to know anything about the human body, but you do need to know how to make drugs for it. So if you could do that. Perfect. And for the money is. And this is where his impact is really seen as this led to the widespread use of chemistry, as well as different minerals and metals and medicine, and the idea that, hey, maybe we could make medicines, not just like get stuff out of plants and give it to people, but maybe we could cook stuff up, and it would have an effect on

people, which obviously is something that is commonplace, and we do every day. Now, one little thing I thought I would mention, if you read about Paraselsis, a lot of places, you'll see the claim that his name is the origin of the word bomba. They had bomba stasis in it. Bomba stasis, von Hoenheim. That's not true. They thought that because of the way that he,

like I mentioned several times, he was known to be a very arrogant guy who said a lot of, you know, deprecating things to the people around him. That is not the origin of the word, but I think it should be. I thought I would leave you with one more quote from him to illustrate my point. Let me tell you this. Every little hair on my neck knows more than you and all your scribes.

And my shoe buckles are more learned than your Galen and Avacena. And my beard has more experience than all your high colleges. So fresh. So thank you Barry. Thank you for everything my friend. I think I'm kind of a fan. Yeah I'm into it. That would not make as good of a tattoo but I guess if you wanted to put your whole back to it why not. Thank you so much to the taxpayers for letting us use their theme song, medicines. Well, it's our theme song. It's just their regular song, medicines. Thank you to people who are tweeting about the show, Jennifer Miller, Elizabeth Lair,

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