Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Snakes

Episode Date: September 24, 2015

This week on Sawbones, it's Part Three of our series of putting pet-centric illness on BLAST. This week, we put snakes on a plane. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Saabones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books! One, two, one, two, three, four! We came across a pharmacy with a toy and that's lost it out. We were shot through the broken glass and had ourselves hot like a rum.

Some medicines, some medicines that escalate my cop for the mouth. Wow! Hello everybody, welcome to Salburn's, MaritalTube. And this guy did medicine. I'm a co-host Justin McRoy and I'm Sydney McRoy Well, this is an odd situation. We find ourselves in friends Yeah, we we did not foresee Doing this show again Well, we but if by this show you mean this podcast we did well no we did no, we did foresee that. No, I mean, we planned on it. We did a bunch of live shows in the Pacific Northwest and we recorded them all to share with you.

And there was an odd problem with one of them where Sydney lost her audio. And you couldn't hear Sydney, you can only hear me there by making it pretty much the worst podcast in history. It's a medical history podcast where I'd a dunderhead just like shouts of the darkness is ill-informed questions for long periods of time and then reacts to seemingly nothing. It was it was booby trapped. We sat down at the table, which was Mike for you and your brothers.

Yeah. And you sat down at your mic and I had to choose the griffin or the Travis Mike. And I chose poorly because the Travis Mike didn't work. Is it that? Do you guys do that intentionally to him? Do you turn off his mic intentionally? And I'm on purpose. But let's, but so what we're going to do is we're going to try to replicate that show for you as close as close as we possibly can.

So here we go. Hey everybody, what's up, Oregon? Hey Portland, it's June. Everybody cheer. There's, whoo, clap yay. What's going on, Portland? We're so happy to be here in Oregon where we are. I know a lot of stuff about Portland having

Reenup said. Well, tell me what do you know? The land of ports. I don't actually know anything. You don't know anything about Portland. Well, you've been on the road. It's hard, you know. And you tend to do all your studying on the road.

I tend to do all your organ studies. All my growth. On the organ trail. Oh, no. Oh, no. What do you, okay, hot shot. What do you knew about Portland? Ah, well, I mean, not much.

Just the, like, the obvious stuff that everybody knows, like the fact that the most, that the only venomous snake in Oregon is the Western Rattler. That's like the only, I mean, everybody knows that, right? This seems like not, I mean, this seems like lame material, but trust me, it did gangbusters in Portland. They love this kind of thing. They love jokes about the Western.

They love jokes about Portland. Rattler. Jokes, I use that in the air quotes, but like talking about Portland snakes, they love it. Why on earth do you know that, Sydney? I know why she knows it, but I know that because I thought we should talk about snake bites, snakes and snake bites today. So we're going to conclude our three part series on putting pets on blast with the first

part of our series, putting pets on blast. Don't get confused. Don't get confused. We're just going to talk about snakes. Just snakes. We're just talking about snakes. Now if you are an Oregon where we were and are in this fiction that we've created, you would know the Western Rattler so that you're aware because it has a triangular head, it has vertical pupils, it's all of brown to gray, and most importantly, rattles.

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I would walk in a different direction. Don't get bit by it. Yeah, just like don't like stick your hand close to it. About seven to eight thousand people in the US do get bitten by snakes each year. And only about five die. The odds are every in your favor there. Still don't touch them. No, no, no.

And people have a lot of strange ideas about how to treat snake bites. I would think so, yeah. Because you have to come up with something and out in the wilderness usually, right? You're not thinking about it and preparing for it. So you just got to try to see what works. Exactly. And what's strange though is that now people do think about it and prepare for it and still do some really dumb things. The one that I know for sure works is that you cut open the bite and you suck out the venom. So the first one I'm going to tell you not to do is to cut out the bite and suck out the venom.

Oh no. No, that's probably the most common misconception that when someone's bitten by a snake, you need to real quick like suck the poison back out or make an incision kind of in the wound and then suck the poison out of that. This has never been proven to work. And in fact, it can be really dangerous because one thing to know about snake bites is that many of them are dry bites, meaning that they don't actually contain venom. So you got bitten by a snake, that sucks, not trying to say it doesn't, but there wasn't

any venom. So that's better, you're not going to die. Right. In that case, if you then were to cut open the wound and stick your, you or someone else's dirty mouth on it, because your mouth is dirty. Sorry. Sorry. All in mind, too, our mouths are dirty. They're full of dirty, dirty bacteria that you don't want in an open wound. You're probably going to do a lot more harm than good. Even if there was

venom in there, you almost certainly couldn't get it out. Certainly not all of it. You can almost certainly not act fast enough to get any of the venom out, even if you could through mouth suctioning. Right. And because like fangs are curved, you're probably not even sucking in the right place. You're probably just getting mouthful of blood Ugh Yeah, in general section does more harm than good But people have been doing it for a really long time. So why do we think that it helps? I don't know this probably goes back to Roman times. So it was noted that there was a certain people who lived in northern Africa, the silly, silly or sily?

Probably sily, but let's say silly, because it's fun. It's fun. Fagged family. Silly people, PSY, LL, I of northern Africa lived in an area where there were lots of snakes. And people were bitten by snakes more frequently because, you know, there were lots of snakes. And so much so that it was thought that they were immune to the snakes and that they had

some sort of like special relationship with the snakes and a better understanding of like snake bites and healing. And so it was also believed that their saliva, that these people, their saliva, was kind of an antivenom. I probably started as a cover story to cover up the fact that I'm bearable getting snake bite bitten again. Like, oh no, you don't understand. I have very special relationship with this thing.

I know what you're saying. It's just a back and forth. I'm building up an immunity. It's a cultural exchange really more than anything. You just wouldn't get it. It's a silly thing. You wouldn't understand. So the story was that because they're there saliva had this special property that they could spit on your snake bite and that would heal it. And this may have been turned into a story of, you know, when it was once seen like one of these healers sucking the venom out of a bite or spitting on the

bite, you know, applying their mouth to the bite in order to use their magical, you know, healing saliva. And then they both, you know, live to tell the story and pass it along. Maybe that's where this comes from. It is interesting. These people really milk this reputation, like they like that they were known as snake healers. Somebody's got to have their something. Snake charmers, if you will. I mean, they played it up because this was probably how some people made their living, healing people's snake wounds. They claim that their breath could cure wounds. They claim that they could identify the snake that bit you by the taste of the venom. They were sucking out of your wound.

I completely celebrate their opportunism. I do question, it seems like kind of a short grift to me. It seems like you only get a couple of those, just really totally, definitely not working before people start to question your prowess, if you will. Yeah, but that's never true with this stuff, right? It doesn't matter how often it doesn't work. You blame yourself.

I guess it was too deep. I should've gotten here quicker. And the fact is, think about it. Like I said, a lot of snake bites are dry bites. So the person probably did get better in those cases. That, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink.

I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I could get a drink. I was like, I'm not sure if I this is a livelihood. They just charge and absorb and it rates. And they also do like the insurance packages where you pay them up front,

decrease rate and cash give up by mistake. Do you think they like, they created that snake island? Remember we watched that documentary about that snake island? Yeah. They made that place. I mean, I'd seem like they would have a pretty chill hanging there. Nobody's got bother them.

They definitely cornered the market on Antivenom and Snake Bite Maintenance. And this was even who, one of our favorite friends of the show, Plenty, would advocate. Yeah. You to go to. If you were bitten by a snake, his first thought was that you should go visit the silly people. He also noted though that if you couldn't get to them, if you're too far away and if you're not there, like among these people, you probably are too far away. If you just got been by snake, then instead you could use something called a snake stone, also called a poison stone or a venom stone.

And so these stones, these weren't just, I mean, they were advised by plenty, but there were a lot of people who used them. They were usually these like crystalline rocks, they're kind of these pretty rocks, and they had marbling them. And so they had like a kind of pattern, is what they look like. I mean, if you google them and look at pictures, they kind of look like a snake skin pattern that just has naturally occurred. They were sold for a really high price and you would just hold on to it in case you got binned by a snake. And then if you did, that's when you deploy your snake stone by dipping it in water and then drinking the water. I don't know from an effectiveness perspective, from a working sense. I don't know if that would be a slam dunk.

No. No. Kind of. It's just a rock. Yeah, it's just a rock in water. Yeah, I don't think that even sounds particularly. Unless it dissolved and fizz, that could be very satisfying. Do you think it was though? This is where the pet rock comes from.

Um, like the idea like that you should own a rock. Oh, maybe they're like, they try, they bought only stupid rocks. They tried to cure their snake by with it. It didn't work. Their brother still died. And then they had to cover up the fact they spent $2 on fake snake rocks. Then they had to say, well, no, no, no, no, no. It's my pet.

It's my pet. I keep it as a pet. Yes. Plenty also had some other, other strange cures you could try. Roasted garlic and oil. It's just delicious. Less delicious. You cooked the snake and roasted garlic and oil. It's just delicious. Less delicious. You cooked the snake and roasted garlic and oil.

I wouldn't eat it. That's to make it pay for biting you. Take this, you're delicious. It's your last meal. Yeah, right. Less delicious, you could also try Mure, Tannen, curdled milk, boiled frogs, dried weasels, hippo testes, raw sparrow, dove meat,

which just seems mean. That's just terrible. That's just mean. You're the idiot who got bit, don't punish the dove. Or bat blood with fissile. When I read these cures, I wonder if like, you know those dice that you can buy like adult dice Like you know, one kiss on elbow. Yeah, like that kind of thing Like do you think that he had like weird ingredient dice like

Different parts of like body parts and then different animals and it's like here's a meat bat blood and then different animals. And it's like the meat, bat, blood, hippo, testis. Right, so here it says, rub, fox, oatmeal on your form. Huh, okay, I don't know. I don't know how it's gonna fix your migraine, but you heard me, I mean the dice, you heard me, not the dice, what are dice? Just me, plenty.

That's it. I mean, I think that's the only explanation for, oh, where did he come up with these? I mean, just straight after them. Those aren't even closely related, boiled frogs and dov' me. Like, how are those two things, like, how are they ever the same treatment for anything?

It's just taken a scatter shot of perch, I think, said. And maybe he thinks he rest be stalls you enough with cooking these different animals and catching them and cooking them in any of them. You won't come back to him for a refund because he'll have a yellow dice. He can't get him. I didn't mean for this to also be the episode where we put plenty on blast. No, plenty is our boy. What about the Native Americans?

It seems like they would interact with a lot of snakes in The out the frontier. They would and they did and before I tell you about that Why don't you come with me to the building department? Let's go Okay, Sid you're gonna tell me about Native American cares for snake bites. That's right So I promise I promise I will deliver the Cherokee had lots of Okay, Sid, you're gonna tell me about Native American Cures snake bites. That's right. So I promise. I promise I will deliver. The Cherokee had lots of remedies for snake bites.

So they would mainly have encountered, they did and do. Mainly encountered two different types of poisonous snakes, rattlesnakes and copperheads. And it's weird because I guess they had like a reverence for rattlesnakes, but they hated copperheads. That's kind of double standard, that's weird. Just the copperheads were total jerks. But maybe my theory is that it's because like rattlesnakes are at least cool about it.

Like when they show up in the neighborhood, they're like, hey, I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Hope there are no scary Native Americans around that hate to have to buy some of them. No, bite them because I will be startled by human presence.

But the copperheads don't do that. You just accidentally step into a bush and then boom your leg falls off. That's not really what happens. That would be awful. It was just a sound of more dramatic. Included in the many treatments are some for dreams, snake bites. What's your dream, snake bite? Gosh, how long do I have? I guess I'm on a beach, sandy, it's warm.

I got a daquery in my hand and... Or a pumpkin spice bar. I'm maybe a p.s. Oh, it's a terminal, the leaves are falling off the trees and I got a copperhead just friggin like latched bit down really deep into my leg I guess this is my dream snake bite. That sounds awful. What do you talk about? What do you talk about? And scary because the dream, no like a snake bite that happens in a dream they thought was just as important as a real one and could kill you. So you had to know how to treat that one as well.

Some of their treatments include tobacco, sunflowers. There were lots of different plant species that you could try. Lots of things that would just kind of make you puke. We've talked about like lobelia before, just things to make you sick, which is based on like, we've talked about this before, the idea that if you take something and it makes something happen, it's probably working. So something that made you puke or poop or pee a lot or whatever, it probably helped. There, there was an herb that was used a lot and it was named aptly rattlesnake master.

That's a great brand. That would work. And in general, your treatment was usually going to involve both like, imbibing something and topically applying something and then also maybe blowing some smoke from something else on it. Cover all your bases. That's what I say when I give it, by snakes. There are many, when we talk about some traditional treatments, like traditional from India treatments, swimming and shallow ponds, prayer, mud, various plant-based, kind of herbal remedies. Sometimes, I guess, patients used to be urged and maybe still to this day not to go to the doctor

because the belief was that it would get worse. At this time in human history, probably not that far off. used to be urged and maybe still to this day, not to go to the doctor because the belief was that it would get worse. At this time in human history, probably not that far off. Maybe so. Yeah, that's very true. And in antiquity a long time ago, they may have a traditional Indian treatment may have been to tell you to go bite the snake that bit you. Yeah, that doesn't help, but it makes you feel better.

And again, like eating this snake and help pass the word on to the next guy. Like, oh, don't bite Jerry. Or other people that are shaped like Jerry. Because he, they will bite you back. They buy back. They buy back, it sucks. Listen, snakes. Tell your friends.

You're poor putting you on notice. We buy back. We buy back. Or if you don't have, if you can't find the snake, maybe you could just put some dirt on it. Yeah, sure. Sure. Dirt's good for you, right?

I'll let you know. Medicine as a 10-year-old football player's dad. Webster darlin' it. Be fine. Be fine. On the Western Front frontier in the US, the mainstay of snake bite treatment and treatment for anything else was whiskey.

God bless America. Oh, man, that's awesome. And what should you do with the whiskey? Drink it. Yes, that's right. Just drink it. Just drink lots of it. There was a belief that whiskey had this magical ability

to kind of like seek out, it was like a smart bomb. It could find the poison in your body and just like, oh, whiskey is basically a dumb bomb. I don't know how to blame that. I don't know. There were many reports of people drinking up to two courts of whiskey and being fine from their snake bite and I guess we're covering from the whiskey. I read one because it used to make like the newspaper,

like the, you know, your local like mining town newspaper would publish stories of people getting binmized and like what happened to them And so you get these like reports of like there was a three-year-old who was bitten by a snake, but don't worry We gave him a bunch of whiskey and he's fun Also, he's got a vicious drinking problem now. Perfect If the whiskey didn't work you could cauterize something It seems unlikely, but I'm glad another tobacco plan And I'm sure you were more open to trying cauterizing a wound once seems unlikely, but I'm glad another tobacco plant.

I'm sure you were more open to trying cauterizing a wound once you've had a lot of whiskey. Because then you just, it makes me feel like... Go, goodnight. It's really like branding it. Just get some piece of metal really hot and stick it on there. Now, if you are a tea totler and you want to stay away from the whiskey,

then unfortunately your alternative is you can make a SAV out of egg and salt and gunpowder. Boy you are eight and by the way don't let anybody question your dedication to T-totaling if you get a snake bite and you don't do the thing that a doctor tells you should do. That's a really, that's a hard lot. You are not a person looking for excuses to drink. I give you your credit. This was a time in history where I don't think it took a lot of like effort to talk someone into drinking whiskey.

Everybody's pretty fine with it. Yeah. You could also try taking two straws and sticking them into the bite wounds like one into each puncture wound and then pour some milk into them bite wounds, like one into each puncture wound, and then pour some milk into them. Oh cool, that's like the most unpleasant thing I can think of to do with that. Indigo and Lard was another popular combo. Indigo and Lard, that's it. Do you like that band? That's a great musical act. I saw them open for Flee Fox's last summer, it's amazing.

You could also try a poultice of some green onions and salt, which again, that's just yummy. Yeah, you're making yourself delicious for the next snake. Or another one, you could try splitting a chicken in half and pressing part of the chicken up against the wound. How long? Well, until the chicken turns green. That's not so great. That does not sound particularly delicious though. No.

Also, salt, pork, and garlic could be used together as well. Okay, now it's a dry rub. Great. I kind of feel like a lot of these snake bite treatments were like, like a kid came running and I was like, my mom helped. I just got bitten by a snake and she just grabbed like whatever. Wasn't the kitchen. I got marmalade and hair gel and flower. I don't think they had hair gel. Well, it was calming pharmaceutical hair gel. Just for casual use. Um, go ask your father. I don't know. I don't want to have to deal with another snake bite today, Bobby. Um, as a last resort, you could use amputation of the limb. That was, that

was sometimes attempted, but um, you probably didn't want to attempt that because, you know, we didn't have like anesthesia or or you want sterile. Your arm. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, you don't want your arm. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, we're assuming you want your arm. You're needing to come up with reasons why people would be at this point in time, anti-amputation. There were lots of, I mean, it wasn't, we weren't very good at it yet. Right. But you had to be sure to boil the limb in milk afterwards. The one that's no longer on you?

I guess. Okay. I don't know what utility it would be to boil like your other hand in milk. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, that's just adding insult to injury. Now in addition to the fact that we now know you should not suck out the poison. There are, there are a lot of other remedies that are from like 200 years ago that people still try today. Like what? So one, a turnipit. It has been thought for a long time that if you, if you like, apply a turnipit,

like the, the poison can't go any further, it's not going to get you know to your heart was the was always the thought to get pumped to the rest of your body. So you just apply a really tight tourniquet to your arm or whatever and then you'll be okay. That's not a good idea. You want the toxin to be diluted. You're also going to like damage the cells in that limb. Also you might lose the limb because of the tourniquet. Right, because it's keeping all the poise and localized, right? No. And it cuts off your circulation. It cuts off your circulation. Yes. That means more important. Yes, the poison, but more importantly, just

like the tourniquet itself is extremely dangerous. If you do not know what you're doing, don't use a tourniquet. Right. tourniquets. This is like a little, here's a little public service announcement for you. When we, when we use tourniquet. Right. Tourniquets, this is like a little, here's a little public service announcement for you. When we use tourniquets in the field, it is a life or limb situation, meaning that, okay, we're going to chance losing your arm because the alternative is that you die.

Right. And that's the only time that you should ever use a tourniquet. If it's not a situation where you're gonna, you're either gonna die or lose the limb, don't use one. If you're not sure, just don't leave it to somebody who is. Right. Good, good, turn a kid advice. Don't ice it. People still think that, you know, you need blood flow.

Don't drink any alcohol, don't drink any caffeine. I don't know why, I don't know why people are still thinking that whiskey would be a treatment for a snake bite. Other than that, excuse. But don't do that. And don't try to trap the snake. I see. I think that's important. Why do you think it's important to trap the snake?

He didn't know what beat you. So there's no way I'm gonna get you. Some good advice that I was going to get to, but I'll give you a snake peak is to look at the snake that beat you. Try to remember some details about it. You just don't need to capture it and make an example of it. Exactly, you don't need that snake. It's not like, that's a little bit of magical thinking

that you need the actual snake that beat you in order to make the antivenom. No, it's good if you can notice some details about it, if you can keep your wits about you and see like, what color it is, what markings it has, did it rattle. That kind of thing can be helpful to the doctor that you're gonna see. But trapping the snake is a bad idea.

I actually, that's one of the stories that I have heard is someone who was bitten by a snake and their family captured the snake before they loaded them up into the car to drive them to the hospital. And in the car on the way to the hospital, the snake escaped. Oh, God.

And so they had to like stop on the way to the hospital and like, you know, evacuate the car. Right, go snake. Because they're just snake in the car. And wait till the snake like, you know, slithered out. And then they jumped back in the car and came in. And so they didn't have the snake and they'd been delayed. So in general, and somebody else could have gotten bitten.

So in general, like don't, don't try to trap a poison of snake. Period. Just, you know, look at it. Like, you all have phones now, just take a freaking picture, right? Yeah, really have your wits about you. Yeah. The best advice for snakes is like, don't get bitten. For several reasons, many that we've already gone into,

like, you know, it's bad. It depends on what kind of snake it is, what kind of poison it is. I mean, it can kill you. It usually won't, but it can cause a lot of damage, you know, to the body part that was injured. But also snake venom, snake anti-bendom is really,

really expensive, super expensive. There was a student at UC San Diego who was bitten by a rattlesnake, spent one night in the hospital and was charged $143,989 for the encounter. Of that, 128,000 was just for the antivenom. He was actually a monster. 128,000. So why is it so expensive? Because it's hard to make. That's, did you read ahead or did you know that?

We've done the show before, but also I knew that one. Okay, well that was pretty good. Thank you. How do you make antivenom? You got milk at, got milk at the snake. That's right, you have to milk the snake. It is little nipples. No, no, milk is like, it's glands, the poison gland, like near the fangs. Boy, that's a, it's a, it's a, it's a staying school kids. That's a tough job.

It is hard to milk a poison snake. And you have to milk it over and over and over again, and then milk a whole bunch of other poisonous snakes in order to get enough venom to then create an antivenom, which is part of why it's so expensive. Also, there's some things I could say about the pharmaceutical industry that I won't, but it's more than just the antivenom. It's not that you just kind of had a milk poisonous snake. Well, it's more than just, more than just the antivenom. That's not what you just got. You just got to know how to milk poisonous. Well, it's more than just that, but okay.

It took one guy, three years, 69,000 times to milk one pint of coral snake venom in order to make the antivenom to coral snakes. And it took one jerk, one misguided afternoon in the hospital refrigerator to drink the whole thing. Why did he drink it? He thought it was a Capri Sun. The guy had been storing it at Capri Sun Patches.

That's a bad idea. So short-sighted. After you milk this snake and you've got a lot of venom, you've got to cool it down. You've got to inject that into another animal to create like the anti-bodies to it. Horses are used a lot because they're big. They live a long time and they're really nice. Yeah, it's nice. So I've read, they're nice about it. Horses are used a lot because they're big, they live a long time and they're really nice.

So I've read, they're nice about it, like they let you stick them with the needle again. And they don't kill the horses, they're not killing them. They need them to make anaboddies to them, so they have to be alive. And how exactly they do that and the horses come out okay is a secret, so I can't explain it to you. I don't know the secret. Like I'm not keeping the secret from you. I just don't know. But they make the antibodies, they get blood from the horse, they centrifugate, and then

they wait 10 years for the FDA to approve it. And voila, we have anti-bentum. So it's really expensive and it's scarce and it's hard to get depending on where you are. I don't know that it's readily available like at my hospital. I would have to order it. There's a cool story about a snake handler Bill Haas, Bill Haas, yeah, who had a better way he thought of getting this this super exclusive anti-venom. He just injected himself with diluted cobra venom for years. He just injected himself with diluted cobra venom for years. Hmm. It's a hard dose to get right.

I mean, you got to really make sure you nail that for the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you got to be really careful with that. But he wasn't that concerned because he challenged it many times by getting bitten by snakes. Oh, thanks. Lots of times. He lived. Oh, too tell about it.

Wow. He then went around the world donating his blood to snake bite victims because on the basis that his blood was an antivenom now. And his wife claims that all of them survived which makes him kind of a cool dude by the way. I'm suspicious of this dude. How did he know the person was going to get my bite snake? You know, he'd have to be really thinking of far ahead. How did he know where he needed to be to donate this blood to his name? He's in league with the snakes. Well, no, he would like fly there. Right. When they got

bitten. But like, and they didn't die in the interim. I guess he maybe he must have already there because he planned the whole thing. Bill Haas, Stegas hasn't. You know, black mamba. I meant to mention, so I tell you they use horses to make the antivenom. There are a lot of different animals you can use. The ones they like to use are horses, but I read that one article that said it's noted that another good option for this are actually sharks.

Oh great. It went out of the frying pan of the fire, huh? But but they noted that that's a lot more difficult. It's more difficult to work with the shark than it is a horse. No, yeah I would say so. I don't know if you figured that out. It's like every you know how everybody calls horse the sharks the horses of the sea Oh, the only man no one does that because it would be insane. I Don't want to see a shark. I all hopped up on snake venom. Oh yeah right. Exactly. You're welcome by the way sci-fi network. There's your next freaking movie. What do I actually do if I get a snake bite said? Stay calm. Okay done. Hold still. Okay. Call 911. Got it. Get to a hospital as soon as possible. Okay. You're welcome if you feel so inclined to clean the wound

out with soap and water. Can't too freaked out. Okay, but you know, well, okay if you feel so inclined to clean the wound out with soap and water. I can't to freaked out Okay, but you know well, okay call 911 get to it just and let me know I'll handle it Just I mean I will take care of it Not I mean that was in a general offer to the public right just saying that you just and like if I'm there Public and you are been by think I will help you out nice, but don't like wait for me to come got it Because I don't know. I don't know that you got this. She's no Bill Haas.

She's not planning these attacks ahead of time. So clean it, cover it with a dry dressing. And like I said, try to remember what the snake looked like. But don't catch it. Please. Unnecessary. Thank you so much, Portland. You've been an amazing audience.

Thank you to those of you who are listening to this audio podcast that definitely recorded from this show. We are definitely live in Portland and not at our home in West Virginia. Yes. And thanks to taxpayers for letting us use their intro and outro song medicines as the International Web program. Thank you to them. And I want to thank somebody Maureen Price, who gave Justin to, by way of Justin to me, a really sweet card and a super cool pin that lasts for seven years.

Yeah, and thanks. Thank you. I didn't mention this, but thanks to the beloved fan in Vancouver, it was the great books for Charlie. It was very sweet of you. Absolutely, thank you. Thank you so much. That's going to do it for us folks, until the next time

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