Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Taint Tanning and Heliotherapy

Episode Date: December 6, 2019

Listen, we're not gonna sit here all fancy and act like we didn't just record an entire episode about people sunning their buttholes. That's what happened, nothing can change that. If you don't listen, it was for nothing. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Saubones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, talk to you about books. One, two, one, two, three, four. I'm not in the sense the escalant macaque for the mouth. Hello everybody and welcome to Saabones, Meraleral Tour of Miscite Admedicine. I'm your co-host Justin McAroy.

And I'm Sydney McAroy. I'm very, I'm very self-conscious about my congestion and my nasally voice. Don't be so self-conscious said, I'm excited enough to carry the show for both of us today. I couldn't be more excited. I'm gonna do my best not to sniffle. Do you know why? I'm excited Sydney, because I know the subject of this week's episode. I made a button for it.

Tink, chairman. Is that okay? Tink, chairman. This is not, you don't have your head fins on. I can hear it. I can hear it. No, I can hear it from here. I made the whole Tink, chairman. I can hear it. I can hear it. No, I can hear it from here. I made the whole,

Tink, Taremen made the whole whole, I made a button for it. This is not really the, not sure it's come to the track, let's make sure it's come to the Viva track. Tink, Taremen. Yeah, okay, it's coming through on the track. This is not really the look like our podcast.

I know maybe some of your other podcasts this might... It's reading a little Zoom. Bit. I getcha. We try to do something a little more professional here. All right, well I'll try to keep my finger off the button, but you have got to tell me a little bit more about Tintermint.

Okay, I'm not gonna call it that. Is that word okay? I'm gonna assume that word's okay. It's not, I mean, it's literal. It literally describes it, Taint-Ear, behulling it, Taint-Ear, front butt, Taint. Okay, there were so many things wrong with that. I'm just gonna let in.

I'm gonna call it perineum for the purposes of this podcast. We have gotten, I can't even thank everyone because, man, this is how I learn about things now. I opened the sobboan email and there was ruined shale from orbit So many of you were so fast to say perineum tanning or the other the other popular subject line was

butthole-sunning question mark not tate tanning. Okay. That was my guess and tweets and Facebook messages. Thank you everybody who messaged this fascinating new health craze. Maybe question about health craze? Health craze? Craze is accurate for sure. I thought, well, I don't know what they're talking about, but I'll give it a Google and frighteningly enough.

It is a thing. So I wanted to talk about this practice that and ease some of your fears that I believe is perhaps not quite as widespread as some wellness people would have you believe. And also kind of trace the roots of it, a little bit back to Helio therapy. Justin, do you know what Helio therapy is? Well, I can tap into my Latin and say therapy is therapy. And Helio is of the sun. So therapy of the sun. Helios, yes.

Sun therapy. So very good. Yeah. And the idea that the sun is powerful or life giving or in some way, you can trace this back to many ancient cultures, right? Like that's not a wild thought. And there is powerful and life giving.

Yes, yes. Those things are true. a wild thought. And if accurate. Powerful and life giving. Yes. Yes. Those things are true. But the idea that it would have some sort of health or wellness or medical applications is also not strange to think that that has been practiced throughout human history. I mean, people worship the sun.

So there were powerful beans who were based on the sun. It's the biggest star, I wouldn't worship it. So it is not, it is not strange to, we could trace a whole social, cultural, religious history of human kinds relationship with the sun. But that's not what we do here at Saabones. I want to talk about the medical parts of it. And if you want to talk about what we think of as modern heliotherapy,

that story starts a lot more recently in the 1800s, really the late 1800s. And then the big interest, the big when it was very trendy is probably in like the 1920s, 1930s. So not that awfully long ago. So this really starts out with a doctor from Iceland, actually a little collection of islands outside of Iceland,

named Neel's Ryberg Fenson. And he was probably the first one to introduce what became the widespread sun cure or sun treatment or heliotherapy that people use. And it's important to know, to understand kind of his story, that he carried a diagnosis, a chronic genetic disease, most of his adult life. And this really informs why he has this interest

and why he starts these trials that he starts. He has been since thought to have what we would call Neiman picks disease. That's right. It's actually a collection of different, it's used to describe there's several different varieties of it, so depending on which one you have, which mutation you have, it's going to present very, very differently.

But it has to do with lipid storage. I won't get into the particulars. It's one of the- I thought I wouldn't understand this. It's very, it's one of those very complicated. We learn all of these diseases. There's like the lipid storage and lysosomal storage diseases.

And they're all these different diseases that every time you encounter them, I would assume. And I'm sure there are some genius medical professionals out there who don't have to look them up again, but I always have to look them up again because there's a lot of them and they're all very complex from a biochemical standpoint. And especially with Neemim picks, there's different mutations that will cause different, completely different clinical presentations. This is what we think he probably had, although it was hard for me reading descriptions of his

symptoms and the different kind of conditions he had. I'm not sure. He had some sort of chronic genetic condition that started probably around the age of 23 is when he started having symptoms, which some varieties of picks disease that can happen. Some of them start really early, some of them start later. And it caused among a variety of other symptoms. He became very weak, tired. He had greatly decreased functional capacity.

It affected his lungs. He accumulated fluid in his abdomen called a cites. And he became very weak and tired and not a lot of strength, not a lot of ability to do much of anything. His energy was greatly decreased. And it was very challenging for him because he, at the time, if you had something, you know, nobody knew exactly what was going on, right? We didn't know about picks or demon picks. We didn't, we didn't, we didn't understand what was causing his symptoms or his condition. So at the time, if somebody just suddenly has generalized kind of weakness and fatigue and

decreased energy, The common treatments would have been things like we'll get more exercise, you know, get out, go swimming. It felt more advice. But that wouldn't work in this case. Correct. Obviously. And he, you know, it was, it did not affect all those some varieties of Pix disease can affect cognitive function, can affect your brain. It did not affect his brain. So he could read and learn, and he already had his medical degree, and he knew about all

the different things that people would advise him to do, go get all these physical therapies and go run and swim and lift weights and all this stuff to kind of bring back your vigor. That wasn't going to work for him. And he knew that. And he was very limited in what he could do. So he began to investigate the possibility could sunlight be a treatment of some sort. I can see the appeal.

It's free. It's up there. And I mean, that helps plants grow. Why not? And it's easy to do. A lot easier than like physical therapy or getting more exercise. Well, and I'd say for him in this case, it was possible. Yeah, it was more for feasible. I'm saying I wish this worked. Yes. I guess it's not insane saying it's I wish it sounds nice. Yes, that's very true because he began to kind of experiment, I guess, if you can use

that word. I mean, this is a light experimentation on simply trying to, I guess he lived in like the north facing part of his home and he tried. And so his theory is that he got very little exposure to the sun's rays throughout the day. At this point, he was in a wheelchair most of the time. He tried to make sure that he was getting outside more and getting more exposure to the sun, and he began to investigate, is there some sort of healing property or energizing property or something that the sun can do for you on its own, that just simply sunbathing would allow.

And this is really where that interest comes from. And I think that's really interesting, because you'll see that later in the story, this people who are seeking a treatment for themselves, who stumble upon something for other people. So he began to sunbathe in an attempt to self-treat and he must have felt that the results were positive because he built upon his own experience,

all the research that he would kind of devote his life to. I mean, he did some other things, but this was the primary area of his- He seemed like some part of it was working. He must have felt it was, right? Because otherwise, he probably wouldn't have investigated further. So he started what was called the Medical Light Institute in Copenhagen, and this would later become the Fenson Institute, which I understand still operates today, but I think

it does cancer research. They don't do heliotherapy anymore. But their primary function at first was to investigate light for medicinal purposes. And this was in 1893 when he established this. And he began looking first into the treatment of two different skin conditions, smallpox. And then the other one was what we call lupus vulgaris. What's that?

It's actually another name for tuberculosis of the skin. Oh wow. Yeah, we always think of tuberculosis of the skin. I know. Wow. Yeah, we always think of tuberculosis as causing lung problems, which I mean, it does. It does. And this is not, that would be a wild twist. Also, this whole time. I know you always think of it as a lung thing all along.

No, no, it is a lung thing. But it can also cause, the bacteria can cause these painful nodules on your skin. And so it is a different kind of tuberculosis or just a symptom of tuberculosis. It's just a different manifestation of tuberculosis. And so we needed a way to treat that as well. And at the time, if you'll think, when we're talking about the late 1800s, early 1900s, we had no good treatments. For tuberculosis. We told people to go sit and go out west. Well, why did we tell people that?

Well, I think it was for the air, right? Isn't that what we talked about? That it was for the clean dust. The dry air, but also for the sun. Yeah. And where did that come from? I don't know. You're about to, that's what we're talking about. That's the whole point of the show. Yeah, and where did that come from? I don't know your best That's what we're talking about. That's the whole point of the show. That's the point of this episode

This is where that idea came from a lot of people have heard that you know famously doc holiday went out West right Became a bad guy Well, Judgey judge you much Because because of his tuberculosis. Well, this is where this idea, that's where we're getting into, where it originates. So, he started out in the lab, but it's funny. He actually wrote about how pretty quickly he realized, like, and I wonder, I don't know, this is me hypothesizing about history.

I wonder if his own concern for his own condition didn't stimulate the speed at which he researched this stuff because he started out kind of investigating in the lab very quickly was trying this out with patients. Yeah. And he wrote about how he felt like- I mean, he had a desperate for answers for sure. Right. And he felt like it was important for this therapy in particular and other ones would be similar

that you don't rely on bench research in the lab before you bring it into the clinical world. You just kind of go for both at the same time. Mm-hmm. Well, you can understand that too considering the treatment is like sitting the sun like there was probably like, why not? Right, like at this point in time, like, I don't know that like, let's just give it a whirl. And it does show, I think it does show kind of a progressive understanding of the idea that there are so many things, we talk about this on the show a lot, there are so many things that will kill a bacteria or a virus or a fungus in a lab that you can't necessarily put in a human body and get the same result, either because it

just doesn't work in the human body or it will also kill the human body. Like the rats in the Aspertame, right? Well, similar. Not exactly. It's not guaranteed that it's going to do whatever it does in a rat. Well, I would say it's even similar to, you know, it's similar to an extreme example, but like bleach. You can use bleach and a lab to kill a lot of things, but don't ever drink it.

Well, folks, we can't be more clear about that. Like, don't drink it. Please. So, but he understood that. And so he did all this research. He published many papers. He focused a lot on the idea of artificial light, he developed different artificial lights

that would provide hopefully the same kind of you guys are for research therapy. For research purposes, that's probably really important, right? Because you're not gonna be able to get consistent treatment if you're, you know, how to go with cloudy days, et cetera. I would say that that is part of it. And the other part is if you consider where he was doing his research in Copenhagen.

Yes. Yeah, some, some, so I've seen some photos that have looked, like there are some gray times there. He, there were not, he did not have a high density of days that he could do research out in natural sunlight. I'm sure it's lovely. If you're solvizals for sunlight. I'm sure it's lovely. If you're solbiles for there, I'm sure it's lovely.

Oh yeah, this is not a slam on Copenhagen. This is, I think that in part he thought, you know what, I probably am gonna need an artificial light. Otherwise, I'm gonna not be able to advance my research very quickly. So he develops some artificial lights that he could use and he published tons of papers. And according to the papers,

and I mean, if you look back at some of the numbers, there's small numbers of patients. But when you, the parameters they were studying were like decrease in pain or decrease in number or size of skin legions or things like weight gain, because that's always a big problem with tuberculosis is that it can be a kind of a wasting disease that you lose weight, you become weak,

and malnourished pretty quickly. And so when you look at those metrics, it looks like the published results are positive. Who knows? I mean, eventually, as we know, antibiotics would be invented. Hey, we didn't need the sunny one. Get out of your sun. Wait a minute, it's on.

But he published some small small but positive facing results. And so positive that in 1903, he was awarded the Nobel Prize. Wow. For his innovations in light therapy. But I mean, was it...did it work? I mean, it's one of those things that's hard to say. It's kind of like we talked about with malaria therapy. The idea that you could induce a really high fever and someone was syphilis and it would cure their syphilis.

And they claimed a 30% cure rate. But it's hard to go back and try to validate any of those results. I don't know how much. I don't think Fenson was claiming he could cure these conditions necessarily with the sun or with artificial light, but that they did help and improve things. So I don't know. I've seen some people theorize that if vitamin D deficiency was a problem in these patients as well, perhaps.

Yeah, that was what it was actually fixing. inadvertently fixing that. But either way, he was given the Nobel Prize and he died a year later after receiving the Nobel Prize of his chronic disease, but his work out lived him. It did not in there. The international community, of course, after the Nobel

Prize, had heard of his innovative research. And like I said, at this point in history, where in 1904, there was no good treatment or cure for tuberculosis. Yeah. It was a death sentence. And so anything that seemed to be showing positive results was of interest to the world, the entire world. So one of these clinical scientists who was of interest to the world, the entire world. So one of these clinical scientists who was really interested was a Dr. Auguste Rolier, who was a Swiss physician, and based on, he went and visited and kind of learned from Fenson and learned what he was doing. So based on his research, he opened a number of sunbathing clinics all throughout the Swiss Alps because he also

felt that the sun was important, but so was altitude because it was thought the air was more pure. Closer to the sun. So, he opened a bunch of very famous and kind of, I always think of like really fancy clinics. I would have been like, I would have been like really fancy clinics like I would be I think I would be the guy is like how much is this a hundred dollars okay how about this how about I'm just gonna lie just outside the clinic I'll be the guy who sets up a

chair next to it because you're charging me to sit in the sun inside and I mean I imagine it was a nice experience like if you're talking about a time when medicine could be very scary and dangerous, right? I mean, like, we're really talking about the heroic era of medicine when, look, we don't know what we're doing, but we've got to save lives. So we're going to get serious about medicine and that we're gonna crack a few eggs. We're gonna try everything. Yeah. If you consider that this particular radical idea

was come to the Swiss Alps, the most famous was in a licensed Switzerland, come to the Swiss Alps, sit outside in the beautiful mountain air in the sunshine and relax and take it easy. And that's the whole thing. Must have been pretty attractive. But it didn't stop in Europe.

Well, what happened next? Well, I'm going to take us to the US, but first we're going to make a stop at the building department. Oh, let's go. The medicines, the medicines that ask you let my car card for the mouth. We interrupt the podcast you're listening to to tell you about another podcast. That's right, we got this with Mark and Hal. That's correct, Mark. This is Hal.

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No, no, Europe did not corner the market on the sun. It had to rise in the US as well. So like I said, the work that Finson had done attracted international attention, and then especially once all of these clinics were up and in up all over the Swiss Alps, not everybody could travel to Europe. That's pricey, especially back then.

Yeah. And so Dr. Jeremiah Metzger is really probably one of the main people responsible for popularizing this treatment in the US. He actually started practicing medicine in Toledo, Ohio, but he also fell ill. And it is thought that he probably did have tuberculosis. Again, it's one of those things where it's hard to say, I don't know that for sure, but it is thought that that is what he had gotten,

maybe through his medical training actually. Oh, wow. Taking care of people with tuberculosis. So he moved out west as people were want to do with tuberculosis back then for the sun and the dry air that was thought to be good for the lungs. And the gold. He continued to work with TB patients.

I think that's very noble. Continue, I mean. Well, I mean, okay. I'm just saying, like, he could have been bitter, but he would have been. I don't want to cast his versions, but like, I would say that is the best possible person to be working with TB patients.

I could make that argument. Perhaps. Either way, he eventually ended up in Tucson, Arizona. Where he opened tuberculosis sanatorium. Sanatorium is what they call hospitals like that back then. It was like a hospital. Sure. So anyway, he operated there for a while using some of the common treatments of the time

there. But then he went to Switzerland and studied under Dr. Rolier for a year to learn more about this son therapy. And after he learned more about it, he brought it back to Tucson and spread it around the west, open the desert sanatorium. And then you can see similar places like that were opened in Colorado. It was a very popular place because of the altitude. That was thought to be important. So you find places pop up all over the West Coast and then in the Rockies. And then even in the East, there was one in Upstate New York, a pretty famous sanatorium

open called the Sarenak Sanatorium, which was opened by Edward Livingston Trudeau, who I mentioned because he was the grandfather of Gary Trudeau. The Doomsbury guy? Yeah. As a connection that I was not expecting in this episode, did not expect a Doomsbury connection. No, I didn't see that coming either as I was reading about the various people associated. This was a very famous sanitarium and they were listing all the famous people who went and got treatment at the sanitarium.

Okay, wait, I don't want to interrupt sanitarium or sanatorium. You know, actually those terms were kind of used interchangeably back then. Some dependent on where, like the geographical location, whether you're more likely to call it a sanatorium or sanitarium, but either way we're talking about a hospital for like some sort of chronic long-term illness, usually associated with tuberculosis at this time period, but you would find both used the same way. Good to know. The one, the Sarenak Sanitarium treated, like I said, a lot of famous people, including Robert Lewis Stevenson.

Terz Ryland. Yeah. That one. That one. There you go. All of the other names I didn't immediately recognize. You can look it up and maybe you'll go, wow, she didn't even mention that this famous person was treated there, and I'll go, well, I'm just a doctor.

A doctor, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, too. Well, there you go. Just different stuff that Robert Lewis even said did. You can do that podcast later. Let's just focus on medicine. Okay. Got it. My book podcast, crazy for pages, a book podcast with Justin McAroy.

All it is is you discovering through Google different books that a particular author wrote. Oh look. Oh the books that I've read Oh, they also wrote this Okay, okay got it well Now an ad for Long this episode ever Three minutes before the end anyway Three minutes before the end. Anyway, obviously the sun care fell out of favor for tuberculosis because of medicine. We found better treatments for tuberculosis that worked really well and could actually

cure people. So it wasn't so much about things that might stave off death or things that might make you feel better, but things that would actually fix the virtualizes. But in the 20s and 30s, when it was so popular to go get the sun therapy, this heliotherapy, this was the same time. I think this explains a lot about Americans kind of relationship with the sun and tanning specifically.

At the same time that people were going to the sanitariums to lay in the sun for their health, was when the concept of a healthy glow or a tan being a mark of wellness. This is the same time this idea kind of took hold in the American public. So you have this whole generation of people who grew up in a time when tanning was good for you,

or at least I'm saying that's what they believed. So good that some people went to special tanning clinics to tan under Dr. Supervision for their health. And you see this idea arise. And I mean, how long has it taken us to let go of that? I mean, still, we're trying to undo the damage that that's done. Now, I think it is important to notice

that this idea that light as a medical treatment is not completely off base. We don't usually call it heliotherapy, we usually call it phototherapy, but there are skin conditions for which we can use targeted phototherapy today. Things like, I remember the first time I was in a dermatologist office

and I saw their secret tanning bed back in the back and I was like, what? Jocqueous. What is this? There are certain skin conditions that can benefit from very targeted doses of phototherapy. Things like very severe psoriasis or vitiligos, something called scleroderma.

There are a number of them. But it is important to know that when I say targeted phototherapy, I don't mean that a doctor is going to tell you to go lay in the sun. No doctor should be telling you to do that. Ever. What they will do is under their supervision and medical guidance, they may, after a long discussion of risks and benefits because there are risks to these treatments, like many treatments.

They may suggest a very specific dosage and timing and, you know, amount under their supervision medical guidance in their office amount of phototherapy. This is not something, this is in no way meaning, so maybe you should lay in the sun. Yeah, this is something a dermatologist would advise, supervise, and you know dispense. So in that context, we still see phototherapy use sometimes. And of course we're more and more understanding that there's a relationship of course we know between the sun and vitamin D.

Now there are other ways to get vitamin D supplements. Mood, like is an effective disorder? Yes, that is very true. Have you had to light before? There are other things that we can use light therapy for, but again, there is no medical recommendation to go lay in the sun unprotected for anything, for any condition, period. because of course that increases the

risk of skin cancer. So please do not do that. Now with all that in mind, how has this led us to parenting? I don't know. You got to tell me. So the, as I pull away the curtain from this, what I have found is this seems to be. Thank you for the curtain, everybody.

I did appreciate it. Since you were sending your butthole, I appreciated the privacy curtains, thank you. This appears to be something that is not a thing, that is built on not a thing, and underneath it is not a thing. This is all, this is all kind of, it's like fake medicine built on nothing.

I think that this is traced to an Instagram post from somebody who is either trying to be like a wellness influencer or maybe they just know that if you post some really weird wellness stuff that's fake, you'll go viral Because people like me will notice and get mad. I don't know So I may be part of the problem perhaps Either way they posted about the benefits of what they called an ancient Taoist practice of perineal Sunning and

They list all of the benefits of sunning your perinium. The idea is that you can get an entire day's worth of sun exposure with just 30 seconds to five minutes of exposing your perinium to sun. And your perinium, by the way, is the thin piece of tissue between your anus and your genitals. So you might say that it taint your anus and taint your genitals. Soar, Justin, you might say that. I would not, but you might. So from this, I think she calls it a node, you can receive so

much energy. She doesn't even need her coffee anymore because of how energized this person on Instagram feels after after sending their paradigm. You can't get energy that it doesn't work like that. You're not. Not a bad. No matter what the matrix that have you believe. No, you're not. That's not how any of this works. You cannot eat the sun's energy for fuel, Megan. And of course, as with a lot of kind of wellness stuff, there's a whole list of things that it supposedly does. Oh, yeah, baby. It helps with your libido, it balances your sexual energy, it helps with your circadian rhythms, it helps with focus and mental stimulation.

And some of these things, some of these things I can't argue with because they're not real anyway. Well, libido is easy because you do that, you're like, all right, I'm all warm, I'm not gonna let's go. Well, but it increases your personal magnetism. Well, that's not a thing.

So I don't know. It amplifies your auric field. I just look at these pictures, I would say no. That one I can concretely say no on the magnetism. Now, in this post, it is noted that this is the intention of this, and this is all in caps with many exclamation points. The intention of this is not to tan your butthole. Thank you.

So that is not. And anyway, thank you, thank you. That is not what we are trying to do. Of course, you've got to be careful, I guess. I'm trying to feel the gratitude of getting to hear you say that phrase on our medical podcast, Sydney. Can I just enjoy that? It's so important to have little moments of gratitude.

Now, the roots of this, I do not think we can trace back to heliotherapy and Dr. Fenson and the really, I would say sincere medical interest in the possibility of light therapy. The roots of this, I think it seems, are from a book written by Dr. Steven T. Chang called the Dow of Sexology in 1986 in which there is a discussion of a kind of sun worship exercise where you will expose your anal and vaginal areas specifically, but I guess whatever genitalia can also be exposed, not it doesn't have to be restricted to vaginitis, but if you expose them to the sun, it has germicidal properties.

That you'll kill bacteria. This is a flawed. You cannot expose your bottom to the sun and kill bacteria. And I mean, why do you want to? They're there for a reason. They just keep them there. Just leave them alone. Like don't, don't, don't go touch them

without washing your hands afterwards, please. But let them do their grim work. But let them do their thing. They're fine. They're supposed to be there. Leave them alone. So I, I think that's what this is based on. It is, it has been cited by people who have kind of picked up

on this wellness quote unquote trend. Although really, I think this is restricted to just a handful of people on Instagram. It may just be made out there. There may be other people out there, but I really think it's a very small number of people who are doing this. So I don't know that it is this like wild trend

that we are led to believe it is. You know, I mean, the kids you can do that, right? If you write about something, all the sudden is like, oh my gosh, what's everybody on the West Coast doing now? But really, I think it might just be a handful of people. But they claim some of the people who are doing it and posting pictures, because that's why this is going viral, right? Because like it's paired with all these pictures of nude people laying outside usually on like rocks in the desert or whatever. Yeah, that's all I wanna say.

Yeah, that's all I wanna say. Megan says that it's a daily practice for her and she is laying nude on a rock with nothing. One, Megan, can you not use a towel? Well, that impede the sun exposure to your perinium? Like, this is your whole day. Like, I've got like rock imprints on my back. I had to drive out to the desert.

Like can you not just do it on your porch? Like, I don't understand why it has to be in a beautiful, beautiful rock. It doesn't make any sense to me. I guess it probably, you're more connected to the earth. I would say, this is my, this is my guess and wellness speak. So they, a lot of these people are claiming that it has something to do with traditional Chinese medicine. So I did not have to do this

leg. We're rolling stone actually did a story about this and reached out to the traditional Chinese medicine world foundation to ask them if this is a traditional Chinese medical practice. And what they quoted is saying, a representative summed it up as, we don't talk about it, we don't practice it, why would you write about it?

And then hung up. So not only is it fake, but I have some problems with these people applying your fake medical wellness thing to an entire culture other than your own, their medical practices, their ancient medical traditions, blaming this for this bad idea you had about but-home-sunning. Because... Chain-termin'. This is an alternative, just different way. If I haven't made it clear, this is not a thing.

This will not give you energy. This will not... Any of those things that it's supposed to do, it's not going to do. And in fact, it is dangerous because that skin is particularly sensitive. All your skin should be protected when you're out in the sun, period.

Whether by close, which seems kind of obvious, or sunscreen, you need something if you're going to be out in direct sunlight. You should not be exposing your skin on protected to direct sunlight, period. But that skin is especially sensitive. So there is no one who would recommend you do this. There is no benefit to it.

The best case scenario is nothing happens. The worst case scenario is you damage your skin, you get a sunburn, which apparently according to tabloids, Josh Brolin did when he attempted it and then wrote the, and then it was written that he is quoted as saying that he burned his butthole. I don't know Josh Brolin personally, but that from what I know of Josh Brolin, that seems extremely on-brand for him. That's he seems like the sort of for a person who it ended up with a burned butthole.

And if what you're thinking is, but Sydney, I don't want to put sunscreen on my perineum. I have another solution for you. Just like pants. Just pants. Pants shorts underwear. Whatever you, whatever your clothing of choice is to cover your perineum, I would continue to wear it while in direct sunlight. I have no problem with nudity. I think nudity is great. It doesn't bother me, but I would continue to wear it while indirect sunlight. I have no problem with nudity. I think nudity is great, it doesn't bother me, but I do want you to protect your skin from the sun.

So if you feel the need to expose your perinium, please do it inside where the sun cannot harm it. In the privacy of your own home. Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We hope you've enjoyed it. Okay, updates. One, you know this, listening to our podcast. We hope you've enjoyed it. Okay, updates. One, you know this, we have a book called The Salmons Book. You can buy it at stores.

You know, the holidays are coming up. And boy, oh boy. Is it a great gift for those special people in your life? We wanted to tell you about the Canon lights. Well, the celebration is coming up soon. The Canon lights star drive that Cindy Sitarali organizes is now what is this third year, fourth year? Third year, right? Third. Yeah, third year. Raising money for the contact 24 hour rape crisis center. I think specifically the haunted and branch of it. It's a great deal. What you do is you can donate five dollars or more. If you would like and you'll get a star that will be displayed during

our candle night show. If you go to bit.ly-candle-nights-star-2019. Did you get that? bit.ly-candle-nights-star-2019. Did you get that? Bit.ly-4th-candle-nights-stars-2019. If you go there, you can donate to that. It's a great, it's a wonderful cause. Go for it. You have, I think, like, two weeks at this point. Yes. Right around that. So thank you. Thank you. If you can for helping us help out this great organization. Thank you, the taxpayers, for the use of their cell medicines is the intro and outro of our program.

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Thank you so much for listening. Till next time, my name is Justin McRoy. I'm Sidney McRoy. And as always, don't drill a hole in your head. Alright! Maximumfun.org Comedy and Culture Artistote? Audience supported.