Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: The Salisbury Diet

Episode Date: May 4, 2017

This week on Sawbones, Justin and Dr. Sydnee explore the Salisbury diet, and meet the incredible woman who turned into a poop detective to prove it right. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

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Some medicines, some medicines that escalate my cop for the mouth Hello, we're reading welcome to saw bones a marital tour of misguided medicine. I'm your co-host Justin Tyler McAroy And I'm Sydney McAroy. You know, I wasn't actually gonna do my middle name I thought to myself. It sounds a little pompous when I was editing and then I just did it So maybe that just is me now. I mean, just a guy does does that. See, I'm, I felt dragged into it. So I'm resisting now. Okay. I don't, I don't need to say all, you know, I don't, I don't really need a big flashy title.

I just like to kind of let my work speak for itself. Just the person who corrects anybody who doesn't put doctor at the beginning. That is, that is not true. Don't say that. It's not true. But I'm not like that. Not, no, yeah. Unless they call you Mrs. Justin McRoy, then It's not true. But I'm not like that. Not. No, yeah.

Unless they call you Mrs. Justin McRoy, then you do. Okay, then I would lose it. Yeah, no, I have a name. I am not just, you know, wife of Justin. Sydney. I'm tired of eating beans. Justin, we're tired of hearing about your diet. Sydney, I'm tired of eating beans.

It's your own fault. It's your own fault. You fall into a classic FAD diet trap. It's not FAD diet. Sidney, I'm tired of eating beans. It's your own fault. It's your own fault. You fall into a classic fat diet trap. It's not fat diet. It's not fat diet. It's a fat diet. It's a fat diet. It's a slow carb lifestyle. Fat diet trap. Don't say things on the podcast. You can't take back in real life. You don't want to undermine me. I'm feeling great. I'm I'm losing LBs, putting on muscle, got a high yellow belt and tight one though, feeling great, just don't want beans anymore. Now let me ask you,

do you think that slow carb is like a revolutionary new concept? No, but you do, because you say it's a fat diet, I'm saying it's not a revolutionary new concept, I'm saying it's just a solid way of eating. Right. With a lot of beans. Do you think it's possible that it's popular right now and that maybe other versions of these kinds of fat diets

were popular at different points in history, maybe by different doctors like Dr. Adkins, whereas that's why we're here with our slow carb. Let's be honest. But maybe there were, maybe he had predecessors, maybe there was somebody even before him. Well, Sydney, I would have said no, but from your tone, I could tell you're trying to segue into an episode of song bones. And so I'm going to go with it and say, I bet that's probably right. That's right, Justin. You guessed it. You guessed

it. The idea of eating low carb is not really a new one, and there have been various iterations of meat-based diets throughout history. I want to tell you about one, and specifically it's founder, Dr. James Salisbury. Okay, well, I would love to hear about him. Okay, so first of all, thank you, Sam, for recommending this topic. James Salisbury. No, not. I don't think Sam Proud.

Private detective. That's a good name. Hey, Sam, if you want to be Sam Salisbury. No, not I don't think Sam. Private detective. That's a good name. Hey, Sam, if you want to be Sam Salisbury private detective, they're sure business card. They're yeah. Stick with that credit us though. Yeah, for sure. Definitely give us all the credit. Sam Salisbury private detective. Salisbury's joint. Dr. Salisbury was born in Scott, New York in 1823 and initially medicine wasn't his passion. He pursued chemistry as a career and worked as the principal chemist for the New York Geological Survey until 1852. But sometime in there, he, I don't know, got bored, got really interested in anatomy. He looked at it off rocks and was like, I wish this was a butt. That's how doctors become doctors. We look at rocks was like, I wish this was a butt. That's how doctors become doctors.

We look at rocks and go, I wish this was a butt. And now I'm a physician. Now I'm a physician, just like that. That's the story. It's really at the core of every doctor, that's the story. Somewhere along the line where they just wish something was a butt. Inspirational. However, he, so he got interested in medicine.

I'm not sure how. And so while he was still working, he started pursuing his MD and he got his medical degree in 1850. Now, as he started practicing, he became very focused on the idea that all illness comes from basically eating the wrong foods. Like there, it's all diet. Okay. We can trace everything that's wrong with humans back to things they're eating or not eating.

I've heard, I think that's the kind of everything old is new again. I've heard a lot of that lately. It's just with guts. I heard that it's all about your gut bacteria, everything. Yes. So, along these same lines, he wasn't talking about gut bacteria, but some very similar themes to what we've what we've talked about more recently on the show So any any illness of the GI tract certainly could be traced back to what you ate that he definitely knew that if you came in with anything You know your nauseous your puking your having diarrhea your stomach cramps anything like that. Obviously. That's what you eat and then

Pretty much anything else too, we just don't know. We've just still got to figure out all those connections. And he thought that if we could just figure out what these things were that were making us sick and which things wouldn't, then we could cure all diseases, essentially. Just like that. Just like that. So he went about this in a fairly scientific way. If you want to know what foods are good and what foods are bad, Justin, what would be a really easy test you could do. Eat all of them in order alphabetically and write down a number of how I felt after each

one. Okay, well that's not bad. So yeah, so he started these solo food trials. Okay. Just eat one food for a period of time and see how you feel. That's why I like kind of, yeah, I didn't control enough for that.

Yeah, just eat one food and I mean, for food. Just eat beans every day for every meal for weeks on end and see how you feel. As a matter of fact, he started with baked beans. Diddy. Yes. Diddy.

Yes, the first food he tried was baked beans, which... We looked awesome. They look carved. So good. And the eight packs. No. He reported that he did not feel very good while he was eating just baked beans. He felt like he wasn't as quick like a thinking wise.

Like he was not able to process information as quickly because he was kind of slow in that regard. And then he also felt dizzy and flatchelent. I don't know about that. I can part, but, but it's not enough to try it out on one person, right? If you're going to do a study and you want to know feeding baked beans all day, makes you dizzy and flatchelent, you probably need to try it out on other people. You get a lot of bean heads in there, but eat some baked beans.

So he invited six other guys to actually come stay at his house and eat beans and eat nothing but baked beans. And I all did this. Can you imagine having to be in this house? No, no, I can't actually, I would rather not think about that. Thank you. I actually, you know what? I'm going to go ahead and say I don't know if Dr. Salisbury had any kind of spouse

significant other. I mean, certainly if Dr. Salisbury had any kind of spouse significant other. I mean certainly not afterwards. Not after this. Not after I invited six other guys. We're all gonna sit around any baked beans all day and fart and then write down how we feel. How we feel about it. Sad. I think. Bad. Building. This is the weirdest fraternity I've ever been to. That basically is a refraternity. That's what you do. So they all stayed at the house. They all tried eating only baked beans for a while, and they all had the same effect.

So they didn't feel good. So he started going systematically through a lot of other foods. The next thing he tried, again, was oatmeal porridge. And with all of these, like with that one, he invited four other other, usually four men that he would find and pay. Like, you're gonna come up with me and I'm gonna give you food, but it's just this one food

and you're gonna have to tell me constantly how you feel while you're eating it. And he did that with bread and rice and corn and potatoes and asparagus and beef and mutton and chicken and turkey and lobster and fish. And after doing all of these experiments, and remember all, each of these foods was one at a time for anywhere from a week to two months of that single food. It all, all in all, lasted about two years that it did these experiments.

So at the end, he came up with a couple of conclusions. First of all, contrary to what we would probably tell you now, Dr. Salisbury was certain that vegetables were bad for you. Okay, I'm in. What else do you got about that? This is one of my dad I think would have been on board with back in the day. That's right, you just need the meat.

What are all these vegetables for? So, some vegetables were bad. He thought that- Tariyansha doesn't like his food to look like the thing that it is. Like, he doesn't like his food to look like the thing that it is like he doesn't like tomatoes Unless they're in a sauce or something that doesn't look like tomatoes. Right preferably ketchup Perfectly ketchup. I'd really catch up because that's as far from a tomato as a tomato gets I guess all this and more

Available you are quite appointed every week. Go check it out. Here about Tommy It's not all about Tommy's weird Actually, there's really talk about funny legal things, but you know. But also, I'm assuming at some point to me, does Duke him up? So he thought vegetables were bad for humans. He also thought that starch was bad. So bad that they would create poison in your GI tract when you ate them that would lead to things like heart disease, tuberculosis,

mental illness, and cancer. This was based on an old idea. We've talked about this before, the idea that you can get a sour stomach from food rotting and fermenting in your stomach and making you sick. It just hangs out there. Exactly. Like an old basement. That's what occasionally food does that for reasons

we cannot sell them. And specifically in Dr. South's greatest case, if it was a vegetable or starch food. You know, you at home are kind of cackling about that, but I bet within your lifetime you've been told that gum does that. So yeah. That's true. Or that watermelon sea would grow watermelon in your stomach. Yeah. That's your stomach. That's not true either. Not true folks. We can bet that is right now. I didn't even have to test it. So his proof for this other than his studies was in our teeth. The proof is in the teeth.

So he looked at human teeth and he said, look, I'm looking at these teeth. I look in this human mouth and I see Ellie's teeth and clearly 20 of these are meat teeth. You can tell just by looking at them. You got 20 meat teeth. You've only got 12 vegetable teeth Now that tells you something right there. Yeah, yeah, you're not the good Lord doesn't want you to be vegetables Get all those meat teeth now back there, which guys the tapet which you guys are tapetooth. You got one tapetooth. That means by using my advances, you get one piece of tapia day. So this is pretty much it. So therefore, meats are a friend, plants are our enemies. He advised limiting veggies, fruits, starches, and fats

to about a third of your diet, and 2 thirds of your diet should be meat. Now, the more you shift that bounce towards meat, the better. But at the very least, 2 thirds of what you eat every diet should be meat. Now, the more you shift that balance towards meat, the better, but at the very least, two thirds of what you eat every day should be meat. I'm not saying protein, I'm saying meat. Meat. Two thirds of what you eat should be meat.

You're trying to sneak lentils in there. No, and a third should be all those other things. And then the more you can shift that to no veggies, fruits, like that's the thing. He is advocating that if you can eliminate everything but meet from your diet, that's fine. He's just realistic that most of us won't wanna do that. And when it comes to meat, are there better kinds of meat?

Honestuming, yes. Yes, Dr. Salisbury did these studies too to figure out which meat is the best. So he tried a bunch of different kinds and he found some, like, for instance, pork. He named specifically gave him what he called meat dyspepsia, which is acid reflux. And an unpleasant term. Meat dyspepsia. So he got acid reflux.

He got heartburn for eating pork all the time. And he would do the same thing, you know, with a bunch of healthy young men again, he'd pull the men and have the meat, different kinds of meat, and ask them, did that give you meat, dyspepsi? And he found that most meats would cause acid reflux with the exception of two. He believed beef and lamb will not cause heartburn. That is incorrect. That is a good try. I don't know how he was preparing like Turkey, that Turkey gave him heartburn and beef

didn't. Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That doesn't sound right to me. Now to be fair, he was choosing lean or cuts of beef. I will say that. It was not very fatty. Yeah, but still still. Beef. But still. But still. So the ideal diet that he came up with like the ratio generally that I gave you is a good like kind of rule

Thumb for everybody to follow to stay healthy But the ideal diet especially for people who are already ill so then we're talking about not just preventing tuberculosis with meat. We're talking about curing tuberculosis with meat now So the ideal diet would be coffee and lean-chopped beef steak, which he calls in all of his writings, muscle pulp of beef, you know. Just so appetizing. You really want it to...

Yeah, I know if I see that on the menu, I just wait or please, I didn't see you had muscle pulp of beef on here. And also, I'm Hannibal, and could you bring a lot please super rare thank you. He tried this coffee and lean shop beef steak diet out on himself as well as about a thousand pigs. Does it mean bacon gristle sacks? I'm sorry excuse me that was probably his the book we're gonna get to he wrote a book about all this and it's incredibly dense and scientific as you may imagine and so he treated me would you say it's meaty? It's me Obviously it's very meaty. So he tried it out on about a thousand pigs which he had tried it out on a lot of humans He was giving pigs coffee. Yeah. He's giving her a jet.

Yeah, his theory was that the GI tract of the pig is very similar to a human. And the advantage is that, and I'm sorry out there for everybody who does not like the idea of killing a pig, but you could dissect them afterwards. That was the other advantage. And the jack of them full of. So like you, like if you had a bunch of human subjects

that he fed a bunch of me to, he did not dissect them, though, just the pigs. What, what, what a, but coffee, but like a lot of coffee and meat for the coffee and beef. And then yeah, and they all were, what is that great? They were all healthy. I don't know.

I don't know if he asked them, like how did it hear Tom Fuehrer? Oh, how's the coffee do? What's that spider writing up there? It says, you've been talking about the screenplay you want to write for 30 minutes non-stop. Please switch to D-Calf. Man, that's a spider is tired of that by now. So from whatever he saw in the GI tracks of these pigs, he concluded that he was right. And let me say this, I don't think I mentioned this. In a lot of these cases, he was examining patients

beyond just like asking them how they feel. Like he was a big believer in like blood tests and checking like bodily fluids like urine and and then the sciencey, like a little more sciencey than we used to. Exactly, exactly, like any stool samples and stuff like that. And like he continued this during the Civil War, he served as a physician and he was able to kind of try these theories out on six soldiers.

So chronic diarrhea was a very common problem. A lot of soldiers were suffering from it. And so he would put the soldiers on the strict beef and water, beef and beef and coffee. And if you couldn't get coffee hot water regimens beef and hot water regimens and He felt like from his observations that it was helpful and he would do the same thing like he would He would Give them the diet and then take bunches of samples of their poop and stuff and hey

And like there's lots of poop sampling. I didn't get into there's lots of like checking to see like what's still left in there Did we break it all down completely because that was one of the his big homer's was like a lot of the stuff we eat can't be broken down completely So obviously we shouldn't be eating it We're going to take a break from doing war like Listen, I'm gonna go back out and do more war and like 30 minutes Can you not take stool samples and blood samples from your place? Well, I mean, I won't take the stool in the blood until after you eat all of this beef and drink this cup of hot water for me, please, because we're out of coffee. And so from all of this information, from all of his studies on himself, on his, on his sleepover buddies, on his pigs, on soldiers,

he took all this information and he created one of the first bad diets. Oh, what specifically? Well, Justin, I'm going to tell you, but first, why don't we head to the billing department? Let's go. Let's go. Now, Sid, you were about to tell me about a FAB diet that Mr. Salisbury cooked up if you'll pardon the rather flimsy pun. That's right. So it is 1888 and Dr. Salisbury finally publishes his book. The book that I would love to say the book shook the nation, but probably

not because it was called relation. Still manolious. Relation? No. No. Sorry. No. Let me try again.

Try again. Sister here are the traveling pants. No. No. Not that one either. Got it. No. I can name other books.

Let me look around. Right. Justin keeps looking at books. So relation relation of alementation and disease. Okay. As you can imagine, people were excited by that title. That's going to see, yeah, I'll get you right to the top of the best helmet it was. No, the book itself was, I mean, yes, people read it, but it was more one of those things that starts traveling, word of mouth. The beef and hot water diet is what it's called.

Buzzfeed, the newspaper pulls out the seven most interesting things you need to know. There you go. About the new beef and hot water diet. So here's a general idea of it. You take you get four points of warm water a day. I should say hot water is pretty warm water. That he would recommend.

This replaced the coffee. He eventually found out that like the coffee was not necessary. It was just all the water you were consuming from the coffee. Yeah. I wouldn't think the stimulant would hurt though. No, but unless people were just, I don't know, having diarrhea or something. I bet maybe the coffee rations were too hard to come by during civil war and you just tried hot water.

That's probably true too. So four pints of warm water a day and minced beef. You would drink a pint an hour before each meal. So you're going to have three meals a day. You're going to drink a pint of hot water and then eat some minced beef an hour later. Do that three times. And then after dinner you're going to wait three hours and drink your last pint of hot water right before bed. The hot water was to do a few different things, because obviously this was not part of the nourishment itself. And it was very clear on that. Like the hot water does not replace your food.

What it does is cleans you out. You thought very literally it was cleaning all of, especially if you were someone who was just starting this, he thought that this was really vital to clean out all of the gross stuff that all of those horrible vegetables had left in your body. All the nasty vegetable and fruit material is going to get cleaned out from all this hot water. It was also thought to stimulate your liver, prevent acid reflux, make you pee more, which

was thought to be a sign of. Fair. That's a pretty one to one, but yes. Clean. Uric acid out of your joints. So he thought that gout was a big thing. He sought to cure with this diet, and he thought that all the hot water would help flush all the uric acid out of your joints. That was called the gout. Is it called the gout? Any rich foods or bad for gout? I think high in pureins. I don't even know if you've talked about it before.

It was thought to purify the blood and make it thinner so your heart doesn't have to work as hard to pump it because that could weaken your heart. He also thought the hot water would make you calm, cheerful, free from pain and able to sleep well at night and have energy in the day. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. Well, maybe calm, but more despondent like calm and a despondent way. No, are you calm because you're drinking hot water? Well, I mean, I guess calm.

So you don't like depressed. Com feel spill it on yourself. Yeah. It's true. For about 20 years, this became an extremely popular fed diet. Too slow, y'all. I don't even think that qualifies as a fed diet. You all just didn't know how to eat good for a while for two decades.

My wife's been very generous and calling it a fed. You buckled down for a generation on this old-timey people. Don't try to hide. Give past the minced beef, please. One such follower. Excuse me, waiter. I hate to trouble you, but I don't want to go off menu, but do you have a mince?

Let me guess. Let me guess. Let me guess. Mince beef and hot water. Yeah. People have only been asking for for 20 years. Yeah. No problem.

Whatever. Fine. Fine chefs are quitting left or right. Fine. Disgusting. Fine. I'm going. I'm just going to tell my boss chef boy R.D.

that you don't want his pasta and then that's how he was like nevermind I'll just storage in cans. Do you think that's how they don't want to eat it? I got so much left over I'm gonna put it in cans to keep it. And then as it suddenly was leaving they were like, hey excuse me, Bob, is that a can of spaghetti? Yes, but I made it wrong in the roll-o-shape. Well, that's okay, I'll take it wrong with me. Bob, and then from there on, and that guy's name was Mr. Campbell.

And he made, there's a whole, it gets confused. What's great about this is that your accents can never be offensive because they're so bad. They're like, no way to could ever tell what you were trying to do there. So a lot of what we know about the culture that surrounded this diet doesn't come from Dr. Salisbury himself. Like I said, he wrote the very dense scientific text, relation of alimentation and disease, but one of his followers was an English woman named Alma Stewart, and she claimed that before she came in contact

with this diet, she had spent the previous nine years bedridden with some sort of horrible ailment that she had been to 43 different doctors for, and none of them had been able to figure it out or cure her. And then she saw an ad for this diet in a paper, and she ordered the book, and she read the book, and she started the diet, and she claimed that it took a year to clean her out, but a year later, she was good as new. And she became pretty evangelical about the diet after that. So a lot of what we hear about like people who tried it out,

and especially over in England, because she kind of became, she felt like it was her job to make sure, you know, it originated in the United States, but it's my job to make sure everybody in England has, you know, contact with this treatment, the Salisbury treatment, as she would call it.

So she started telling everybody about it, and she ended up actually writing a book, and this book is probably a little easier read. It was actually kind of like, it was very popular, and a lot of the book critics were like, well, it's written in the crude fashion of today. That's kind of comfortable. Yeah, that's very accessible. And it's called, what must I do to, well, it's written in the crude fashion of today. That's kind of comfortable. Yeah, that's very accessible.

And it's called, what must I do to get well? And how can I keep so? Boy, I do want to read this book, actually. It's actually pretty fascinating. It's her own personal story of her journey to wellness. And then stories about other people who had been cured with the diet. And then very specific like recommendations and descriptions of what to do and pitfalls and all that kind of stuff. And she, like I said, she spread the Southbury treatment

all over across the Atlantic like this. She would actually consult with people, like personally consult with them. I'm gonna consult with you, give you a personalized recommendation for you. Let me guess. Hold on. I don't want to skip to the end, but is it? Give the mashed up beef and how are they? It's funny because she writes about a lot of her experiences consulting with people. I mean, she's not a medical professional. She just read the book. Right. And is doing this and did her own book and did and did her own book and now she's consulting with people and so she would like talk to people and say you know I think you might benefit from this diet and advise them and then if they and they would write back like correspond with her periodically to say like how was going and so she tells all these stories about. to say like how it was going and so she tells all these stories about so Mr. So and so writes me and says you know it worked okay for a while and then it's not or you know it's just it's helped a

little but it hasn't had the effects I've wanted it to and so of course she does the obvious and says send me a sample of your poop and I will tell you what you are doing wrong. Alma Stewart you nasty bird. You dirty bird. How dare you. You are a nasty bird. If there weren't so many problems with this diet, this would be really inspirational because I mean it's fascinating to me that this woman took it upon herself to learn microscopy

and understand how to analyze stool samples under a microscope. And she did, I mean, she would get these samples and then she, according to her, now this is all from her perspective, she would write these people back and say, well, I saw some nuts in there. That's not on the diet, is it? I can tell you were eating dried fruit, and that is your problem.

And in every case, she would say inevitably they would write her back and say, I can't believe it, you caught me. You're right, I haven't been thinking to the diet. How did you know? How could you figure it out? Can I just say, like on behalf of everybody, thank God for television. Because until television, this is a, well, Julie, I've got to kill an afternoon. How, well, how are you gonna do a friend? Well, Julie, I'm going to poop in a bag

and mail up to England. Then wait for the response as our game of cat and mouse and poop continues. This, this this the weight is agonizing for the letter to see if she's caught me in my latest crime there was one particularly hard case she wrote about it which a man was she couldn't cut it and she was at it all day and she couldn't no she figured it out oh no Justin in which she was banana, the man was eating bananas on the sly, but kept just complaining

like, I don't know, it's not working. I don't know what the problem is. And she kept analyzing his stool, but she had never seen bananas in poop, so she wasn't familiar. Like, this is how she figured this out by eating things or having samples from other people who ate things and looking at poop that had that in it and seeing what it looked like. Like this is really how she figured this out.

So she said why I never seen bananas in poop. So I kept seeing this thing that had a lot of starch in it, but I had no idea what it was. And she finally got the idea that it might be bananas somehow. And she sent a friend to bike into town and buy her a dozen bananas. And she told her friend, we'll just have a gorge on them. And they gorge themselves on bananas. Then duped. And checked it out.

It looked exactly like the gentleman who sample she was inspecting and she gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. You're eating bananas. Side note, that was definitely a stupid finish. By no, sorry, sorry everyone. That's the facts.

Now the as you may have already guessed at the same time that the Dr. Salisbury had introduced his diet and and Miss Stewart was making it also very popular. He also came out with the perfect food. So he knew that beef, specifically minced beef, was a great thing to eat, but he said, you know what, I found the perfect way to prepare it where it will be the most easily digestible, and it tastes good, and it's easy to replicate, and here it is.

It's ground beef, flavor it with some onions, and some seasonings like salt, pepper, there's some lemon juice in there, some butter, real butter, Worcestershire sauce, mustard and horseradish, and you can deep fry it or boil it either way. It was kind of a steak of sorts. Mm-hmm.

You may say a Salisbury steak, perhaps. And now you know the rest of the story. So this is where Salisbury's steak came from. He recommended that you eat his steak three times a day with lots of water and it would in addition it would help you lose weight. That was the other thing. In addition to protecting against all these diseases, eating a Southbury State three times a day will help you lose weight and prevent gout room toward arthritis, colitis, anemia, asthma, heart disease, TB, everything else I mentioned. I don't buy all that stuff. as colitis andemia asthma, heart disease, TB, everything else I mentioned. I don't buy all that stuff. You could do that.

No, you shouldn't. It's not true. It sounds very staked. You won't do that. You could do worse in this, though. Then a South-Berry Stake. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I read that South-Berry Stake probably would not have continued to remain so popular. I mean, because we still eat, well, I don't, but people still eat Salisbury steak. Today, now, why did this persist, this particular preparation of mince beef? And one reason that people theorized is that after World War One, the hamburger dropped in popularity because it was

named the hamburger. And there was a rejection of things with the German names. And so the South-Sbury steak became more popular because it's kind of a hamburger. It's basically a hamburger, just with specific rings on it, but it's basically a hamburger. But that may have been why it stuck around and persisted and became like your school lunch, staple, your TV dinner, staple. The fat only last, the diet only lasts about 20 years, but of course we have things that echo that today. I think there are a lot of meat-based diets that aren't that extreme. But certainly, we'd tell you to stay away from starches and

to limit a lot of other things that might also be good for you. They're all right. I think doctors, no, they're not all right. No, they're not all right. Don't throw that in there They'll try to slide that past me I And I think Dr. Salisbury would be pretty disappointed today though if he saw the way his steak was served Alongside like mashed potatoes and corn and big roll a beautiful steak It's to be served dry on plate on a cold plate. Where's your pint of hot water school child?

What is this milk? No, man Right now there's a spouse who or a boyfriend or girlfriend or good buddies listen this show and they're thinking God every time that we go to the restaurant with the service sales race day from now on this person is going to be insufferable I'm gonna be hearing this anecdote for the rest of my life. You know, we're sells very staked. You know, oh, did I see I have the sells very safe? Trying to prevent tuberculosis. Sorry.

Yeah. Let me back up. By the way, that person's me. Yeah. Sorry. And also me from now on, I'll try to beat you to it. Folks, that's going to do it first. Thank you so much for listening to our podcasts. We hope you've enjoyed yourself. There's a lot of other great shows in the maximum fun.org network that you can go try and enjoy.

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