Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: The Seasick-Proof Saloon

Episode Date: July 15, 2015

This week on Sawbones, Justin and Dr. Sydnee crash a boat into a pier to cure your seasickness. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

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Some medicines, some medicines, the escalant macaque for the mouth Oh, I'm getting welcome to saw bones and marital tour of Miss guided medicine I am your co-host Justin McAroy and I'm Sydney McAroy and we've really just got to get Got this out because I am really excited. We listen we're on vacation this week headed to the beach We're not even supposed to be here doing this. This is like work. This is our vacation. And I'm on vacation.

We're basically on vacation right now. That's how devoted we are to you, the people. I can't wait to get out there and just start carving waves on my wakeboard that I learned how to ride in secret lessons I've been taking for the past three months. I can impress you in a grand gesture that's short to bull you over.

I'm speechless. I you will be. Can't well mainly because where did you learn to wakeboard in Huntington Beach for on the lake. I went to Beach for Lake and they yeah, they told me you were wakeboard and don't you have to I don't know. I'm not a wakeboarder, but don't you have to have waves? Yeah, well the ship makes them the pontoon boats.

You cruise behind the pontoon boats. Carve the car of the phone. Car, the pontoon boats, you cruise behind the pontoon boats. Oh, well, well, well. Some carve the foam, carve the foam, as they say. And you ride the waves of carp that fill beachwork lake. Beachwork lake is 50% water and 50% carp. And the balance may be shifting to carp at this point. Yeah, you gotta keep the carp in check. They actually have people they pay to fish it constantly 24 hours a day, less the carp.

Get the carp out, get the car, the car power gross. But the only bad thing I've been having to say is that that does lead to a little bit of nausea from the waves and the chopperness of the ocean and the sea. Motion sickness. Or the chopperness of beach work like. Or the chopperness of beach work like as it may be. Well, just. I'm sorry I was lying about that because I don't get seasick but like I'm trying to get

a sin here. Well, you're no, it was a good job. I was okay, right? I was following you. All right, we're on the same page. Yeah. No, I know. So yes, I am getting seasick.

Wack, wack, wack. Well, Justin said statistically, it is likely that you would get seasick. At least a little bit. Do you know that only 10% of the population likely is completely impervious to motion sickness? Are you telling me that I am both impervious to poison ivy and motion sickness? See, I don't believe that you are completely impervious to motion sickness because the point that they make when they cite this statistic

is that yes, there are those of us, me, for instance, who I can't read in the car. I can't even really ride in the back seat of the car for very long without getting kind of queasy. You're really, yeah. You're not the worst, I've seen it. I've seen it. No, I'm not the worst. Yeah, I can ride roller coasters.

Our beloved sister's reason has a problem. Has a rough time, like when we drive up the hill to go to Max Funcom, that's a rough one. She takes it hard. That's hard for anybody. And Charlie has motion sickness we learned. Yeah, found that out the hard way. But 90% of the population, if you put them in severe

enough circumstances, is going to have motion sickness, apparently. And C sickness is what I'd first like to focus on, because you would not believe how many different things we've tried for the different, like, flavors of motion sickness over time. Yeah. Whether you're talking about, like, on the ocean or in space or in cars.

We've done lots of research and there's lots to talk about. So I thought since we are going to the beach, I will just focus on the C-sickness aspect of motion sickness for now. Okay. And then it is not special in and of itself. It's Bay. It's C-sickness aspect of motion sickness for now. Okay, and then it is not special in and of itself. It's B, it's C-sickness is motion sickness. Absolutely, it's all the same thing. We've just, you know, kind of tried different things depending on where it is.

C-sickness is actually the sweetest kind of motion sickness if you think about it because... Why? Well, think about it. C-sickness by definition, it is, here's the place for you to put that. Oh, you're getting sick? We've got you covered. Oh, that's a good point.

You know what I mean? It's like space. It's a barrel right there. Yeah, like, you get in the car. Oh, I'm driving with this now. This is my situation I'm living with. Get it in space. Oh, I'm just gonna float with this.

Excellent, excellent. This should be a really sweet trip to the moon. That's bad, but you get seasick. It's like, oh, I'll just put this over here. No problem. I have a place to put this. If you're gonna spew. Spew into this ocean.

Exactly. Exactly. I got it. Well, I wanna thank two people have recommended this. Chad and Jamie, thank you. I believe Jamie is a sufferer as well. So hopefully this will help probably not. So people have been having sea sickness for

as you can imagine a really long time because people have been sailing and traveling and you know using our our earth as mostly water and we've been traveling on it for quite a while. I like I prefer maldé mayor. Maldé mayor. I think that's a yeah that's a fancier name for sea sickness. Yeah that's prettier and it's really just puking is what wealdemare. I think that's a fancier name for C-signus. Yeah. That's prettier. And it's really just puking is what we're talking about. So I think it's nice to lay it up. My eyes all gussied up, right? All C-signus really is. So I think it's let's talk about in motion sickness in general. What we're really what we're really talking about is like a confusion of input. So our we take in a lot of different sensory input and stuff that we know about like hearing and spelling and tasting and all that. But there's also, there's our visual

input of course, but there's like our sense of position in space where we feel our body is. There's our balance sensors in our inner ear that helps keep us balanced. inner ear that helps keep us balanced. And when you get confusing input from those different sensory, you know, ways of absorbing material, when you get confusing, conflicting input, then you get sick. So for instance, it's really great. It's like a really crazy reaction for your body. Like, hey, wait a minute, is it, are we floating? Are we still, I just don't, yeah. That's exactly what he is. I can't handle this confusing situation I'm gonna throw up. It's really, it's a fun reaction.

It's, I mean, if you think about it, like if you're standing on a ship that's kind of bouncing up and down. So you've got like the visual input of like, either you're staring at the horizon, which is moving in a certain direction, or even worse, maybe you've gone below deck, and now everything's fixed. So the stuff around you isn't moving, but your body can sense that you're moving up and down. And at the same time,

your whole balance system is trying to move your legs around in subtle little ways to keep you standing still, and all that input is conflicting. And so you puke. And the same thing can happen if you're sitting in the back of a car and trying to look at different things or in an airplane. You know, it's interesting. This motion sickness has been a real hot topic in video games to feel I work in.

And because of virtual reality, because you're getting a lot of people trying to solve for how do you keep people from getting notched because of this exact issue. The physical sensations that your body is receiving are very different from what you're seeing on the screen. One of the interesting things I've heard is that there was one developer that had some success

with making the scale just completely different from what we would normally experience because you don't have the, that sort of like uncanny valley between what your real life is like, and your brain can't process it into something that it recognizes as the real world. So it's not trying to, you know, it's not conflicting. It's not conflicting, right? It's just, it's that far. Totally separate. That's interesting. And that would be helpful for me because I cannot do that virtual reality stuff. Now you've done some stuff. They have ratings of comfort actually.

We should talk about this as a separate topic. This is not a germane to seed thickness, but they have levels of comfort where there are slower moving things that don't, jockly perspective around as much, they're comfortable for everybody as it says. And then, or most, it probably says most, and then, you know, there's some that are comfortable for you, which are very fast and unpleasant. And I think, I think those, I can't handle. I would not recommend it, no. And this is largely an inner ear issue, and as Justin knows, I am fascinated by the inner ear. Yes. The inner ear is one of the most amazingly constructed. It's just, it's perfect.

It's beautiful and it's perfect and it's complex. The way that we sense our position in space, there are these little canals, and they've got these little piles of crystals, and they're shifting in the crystals and it's amazing. And I could go on and on, but that'll be another show someday. Anyway, it's the inner ear and the inner ear is fascinating if you ever want to just be amazed by the universe, read about the inner ear and look at some pictures someday.

But C-sickness, it's been written about in ancient history because people have been coping with it for so long. Hypocrity's wrote very simply, sailing on the sea proves that motion disturbs the body. I figure he was probably seasick when he wrote that and he was like, this is it, this is the best I got. Because he usually kind of expounded on things a little further. I just got to write something to take my mind off this. I don't know, this is bad.

The word for nausea is actually from the Greek word, now for ship. Oh, there you go. So we've connected nausea with bean on boats for a long time. Sysra wrote that he would rather be killed in battle than Hepsysik. That's really, he really hated that. Which I can, I mean, I think bean nausea says for me, that's the worst. I'd rather hurt anywhere than bean nausea, personally. other hurt anywhere than being nauseous. Personally. As far back in ancient China and ancient Indian medicine, they've been suggesting ginger for sea sickness, which is actually a really great idea.

Does work. Yeah, you see, there's lots of that kind of thing like anti-naudia ginger gum seen a righty, that sort of stuff. And there is some evidence for using ginger. So that's a real thing that we've known for a really long time. Of course, as you're going to see, that didn't stop us from doing all kinds of other crazy things to fix C sickness, but we knew about ginger a long time ago. It's played a role, as I comment on this a lot, because I like when I see medicine and

history and it all interacts, it plays a course in the course of human events that plays a role. When the English defeated the Spanish Armada in 1588, which I guess was a big surprise victory, they were not, I don't know who was predicting who was going to win. I don't know what articles were being written about, who's going to win this upcoming battle behind site. I would think. Yeah. But the English defeated the Spanish Armada

and there were a lot of things that played into this. This is not the only thing. But one of the factors was that the Spanish admiral who was the Duke of Medina, Sedonia, who had, he was very, I guess, well, respected and revered, but he hadn't spent a lot of time at sea, which he'd think like the admiral would have, but whatever. He got really seasick during the battle and that was one factor that contributed

to the Spanish loss. So thought that was interesting. That is interesting. There are a lot of famous people who like to write a lot about how sick they got on boats. Why you want to write about that? Again, I don't know. Admiral Nelson, who I imagine if we were British that would instantly mean something to us. Yeah, I'm not aware of an Admiral Nelson, but I'm not very well steeped in that sort of thing. Me neither. Me neither. Military history in general. And certainly not British military history. But he was a hero of the British Navy and very famous. And I think that there are probably people listening who are going, how do you not know who that is? Sure. But he never got over his sea sickness,

despite spending many, many years, I think since the age of 12, on a boat. Do you think you just acclimated at that point? Some people don't. Some people never do. Wow. Darwin wrote of his horrible sea sickness, Lawrence of Arabia, never got over his sea sickness.

Yeah. There's one old English proverb that references sea sicknessSignis and it says that the only cure for C-Signis is to sit on the shady side of an old brick church in the country. I mean, yeah. Good one. Sure. Sure. I think that's supposed to be a joke.

I think that's like an old-timey joke. Oh, oh, that's that would pass. Okay, pretty funny. I think that's okay. That's an okay joke. That's an okay for an old English proverb. That's a fairly, that's good. That probably would fix your C-signus.

Sure, yeah. Now, as far as our attempts to fix it, well, the first question is why does it happen? And for most of history, the prevailing theory as to why we got C-s C sickness or any kind of motion sickness, is that it had to do with our stomach and our intestines kind of shifting around. I mean, it feels like that.

Like when you go over a, like when you're driving somewhere hilly and you go over a big hill, like that drop in your stomach, like you. Yes, exactly. And we used to call that a tumbling tickler. A tumbling of what? Well, it's a tummy tickler,

but tumly tickler's funnier. So we used to say that a tumbling tickler. A t-a-a what? Well, it's a tummy tickler, but tumbling tickler's funnier. So we used to say like, take- There were certain roads that we used to ask to drive on when we were little, because they have tumbling ticklers. Oh, that's sweet. You'd go over the hill really fast and it's cute. But it does kind of feel like your stomach's flopping around. Sure.

So I can see why people thought that, of course, that doesn't what- what's happening. So there were some- It sounds old, but I'll sport. Tell you what's actually happening. Sure. So I can see why people thought that, of course, that isn't what what's happening. Um, so there were some old sports, what's actually happening. Sorry. I don't. Isn't it much more disturbing to think that your organs are shifting around? Yeah, I guess so. Uh, I like them. I like them where they are. They seem to be doing it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You want to do it. Migrating. They're there for a reason. Yeah. They don't need going to her. So there were solutions that were invented to keep your organs in place. One in particular in the 19th century was a Canadian company made an anti-motion sickness

belt, which was like this, it was kind of like a girdle that you wore, like this real tight thing. And that was basically the idea was like, just wear this, it'll keep your stomach and your intestines from shifting around and you're going to be fine. That would work. There were actually some people who suggested you know what might make a what might make a work better is if we wired it to like a battery and then you could cattle prod style give yourself a shock if you started to get nauseous and I don't know if that would like tame your organs like get back there stomach. Come on do Wadnam. It's falling the line. So I don't I don't know if that would like tame your organs, like get back there, stomach. Come on, do Wadnam.

It's falling to line. So I don't know that people actually did that, but that was a suggestion. It's an option. The Hamburg American steamship company came up with a more elaborate plan. They created a vibrating anti-c sickness deck chair. That doesn't make sense. I don't know why that would make you feel better. I wonder though if you could make a chair that would sort of be like, sort of like one

of those suspended, like a chair that was suspended? Somehow where it didn't, you didn't feel like the motion of the waves, you know what I mean? Like it was, like not like one of those weird 70s hanging chairs, but similar idea, you know what I mean? Like it was not like one of those weird 70s hanging chairs, but some were idea, you know what I mean? That was the best segue you have ever come up with. Oh man. You know what I'm about to talk about? No, I just...

That was amazing. Really? Wow, I feel really good, thanks Sid. That exact thought led to our next anti-seicinist creation. The idea of suspending something so that it wouldn't move so much and this is I as I've stumbled upon the story I'm very excited to share this with you. So I'm gonna tell you about the Bessamer Saloon alright Okay, Henry Bessamer was born in England in 1813 To a very wealthy family and his father was an inventor And so he decided to carry on in the family tradition

and also be an inventor. And he was successful with this. He was good at it. He invented a way to mass produce steel, which is pretty important. He was the first one to kind of figure out how to take lead and turn it into a pencil, which is pretty cool.

Unsolved, but cool. But during his travels and his inventing and selling products and that kind of thing, he had a lot of trips back and forth across the English channel and he, as 90% of the population does, suffered from sea sickness. So he was very sick on every trip back and forth across the channel and he thought there has to be a better way. There has to be a better way. Has to be a better way. As many people have thought on Shark Tank and Dragonstone.

Yeah. There has to be a better way. So, he started thinking, you know, because he was an engineer, you know, the way that a compass works is that it's kind of suspended on a ship so it doesn't move the way that everything else does, right? Exactly. Exactly like you're talking about with your imaginary deck chair that you just made. Mm-hmm.

And patent it. If anybody's listening, let me try it. You need to come up with a clever name. Okay, I'll work on that. You can't steal the Bessimer saloon. I, that was number one today. I'll reverse the number two since I come up with the number two. So he thought, if a compass stays still no matter how much the ship is moving,

why not a whole room of the ship? Why not a whole cabin that could be suspended similarly to a compass that you could stay in on the ship? What about the lazy boy? The lazy boy. I get it. I don't know what that has anything to do with. Booies, you know. Well, yeah.

Lazy boy, chair. I don't know that that really. It doesn't say anti-motion sickness to me. I'll keep working on it. Yeah, work on that. So, so he wants to make a room that's suspended, sort of like a compass that you won't get sick in. So he builds a model of it in his,

basically in his backyard in London. Okay. Which would be, can you imagine like hearing that, like the neighbors and coming over like, what are you, what, what are you making? What is, this is just my anti-seicist chamber. This is my anti-seicist chair, but we're in, not a chair.

A whole room. It's a room where you go to not be seasick. Yes. Oh my god He's building a whole room. So he built this cabin that was supported by gimbals. Do you know what gimbals are Justin? Yeah What are they well? Sorry? Boy, it's harder explain to a layman You don't even want to give it a shot? You know, gimbals. They're like a mechanism that's typically consistent with rings, pivoted at right angles

for keeping instruments such as a composer, chronometer, horizontal, and a moon vessel or aircraft. So that's the best I can do, sort of a short note is for a layman. Right, I'm going to give you that one. Thanks. OK. So he built this cabin supported by gimbals that I can do sort of a short note is for a layman. Right, I'm gonna give you that one. Thanks. Okay. So he built this cabin supported by gimbals

that was not attached to that basically will be the outside walls of the ship, right? So that it would be kind of free floating. And he did some tests in his backyard to see if this would work. I'd have no idea how he did these tests. How do you simulate the ocean in your backyard? To fill the kitty pool, I guess. And put the ocean in your backyard? Phil Bikitty full

I guess and put the whole room in it. It was a whole room. I know I have nothing. I don't know I don't know how he did it but whatever he did he was pleased with the results and he said you know what I got a lot of money I've got this invention I'm going to put it in a in a ship and we're going to see how it works. So he had one of his cabins installed on a steamer ship. He had a ship designer help him put it together. And he made it very fancy. So first of all, it was huge.

It was 70 foot in length, 30 feet wide. And as it was the Victorian area, it was very Victorian chic. It had guilt mirrors on the walls, leather seats. It had potted plants everywhere. It was a very big, fancy floating compass room in a ship. How did, well, how'd it go? Well, I'm gonna tell you that, but before I do, why don't you follow me to the building department?

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We're in a special room to not puke in. The happy-go-not puke. If you know your tiny tunes. And how does it fare? Okay, so the ship set out on its maiden voyage, I believe it was the SS Bessamer, and it had the Bessamer Saloon, was the room. Okay. And it, in 1875, early 1875.

And it was a private voyage, so to speak. They invited a very high-class clientele of investors and basically rich people to come and enjoy this room. They left over, headed across the channel for France, to the port of Colet. Initially things were going pretty well. I don't know how well the room was working for a sea sickness, but everybody was enjoying it. They were having a good time. Everything was okay. However, as the ships slowed to enter the port to come to the harbor, they created a problem. So as the ships slowed down, the room didn't necessarily

slow down so much. So if you can picture that, there's a ship that's going slower. And inside is this giant 70-foot-by-30-foot room. That's just swinging back and forth. Yeah, right. Which made the ship very difficult to pilot. OK. The result was that as it came into the port, it literally crashed into the port, taking out part of the pier. We can laugh because everybody was OK. Reportedly, I don't't I was laughing before I knew sorry everybody. I'm glad it all panned out for you So, Gucci, which is now the guy who's the fear I guess he doesn't feel so good

So you would Can you imagine me that counted just Just like all those rich idiots. Those rich idiots, I'm gonna crash. Oh, this stinks. I know our crash is for now. There's these rich dummies. I wanna plow to that pier. I'm sorry, everybody.

Sorry, I have a floating can of rich people inside of my boat. I'm sorry. You think that with this, I think we can call this a failure. I think you're all out of a failure of the, I mean, they weren't cautious. Did that work? No, I mean, that part worked.

They were probably, yeah, I mean, they weren't cautious as far as we know, but that really wasn't written about much as you mentioned. Well, that's not gonna be your headline. No. So you'd think that Henry would say, well, that was a good try,

but we'll move on to another invention. We'll try something else. But no, he was not deterred by this. He rushed back to England and kind of, haphazardly had the ship repaired because obviously there was damage sustained and decided to try it again. Okay.

Excellent. Pretty quickly. Also, I mean, this was like just a couple months later, which at that time, I think, like getting a ship repaired and doing all that, that would have been a big deal. But just a couple months later, he has his ship pretty much hastily repaired. He's got the cabin in place and he decides, okay,

so the issue is that it was swinging back and forth. So what I'll do is I'll lock it in place. That was actually, I was sitting here thinking that, like, oh, what they should do, one of the things I'll lock it in place. That was actually, I was sitting here thinking that like, oh, what they should do, one of the ways that get locked in place. But here's the problem. Like, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? Well, couldn't you lock it in place at the end? Like, oh, we're pulling in.

I don't know if they could have, but they didn't. They locked it in place before they left. Well, that seems to defeat the purpose. Ah, that's what I think. Now, this was a public voyage. I guess at this point they couldn't round up enough rich people who were willing to go. No, full rich people won shame on you. So they just invited anybody and they set out again from Dover to the Port of Colet, same trip and again, initially they're doing well. Now I don't know how much it helped with

sea sickness at this point because that was just a room that's kind of separate but locked in place. Who knows. But again, we don't't know how much it helped with C-signus at this point because that was just a room that's kind of separate but locked in place who knows. But again, we don't really know if that worked or not because as it slowed down to the port, just the structural integrity of the ship became a problem. with this extra room that was suspended, even with it not moving so much. And maybe because the ship had not been repaired, completely, who knows, for whatever reason. And they had gotten by this time a veteran ship captain who they knew was not gonna let this thing wreck.

He was gonna do his best to make sure that he didn't crash. And let me add, there are crowds of French people gathered around to watch this ship come to port. Because of what happened a few months ago, they're all out there. Like, can you believe this, the best of my guys coming back? Let's come watch.

So the ship, as they come into port, it slows down. It begins to pitch and roll violently back and forth. The captain tries his best to keep it straight. However, once again, it comes crashing into the pier, taking out most of the supporting pillars and completely destabilizing the whole. I can't believe why would you? Okay. Let's do a role putter work. Sydney, what are you doing this afternoon? Not much? No, not much, I'm not real busy. Do you wanna come down with me to the pier

to watch a ship land? It's, you may have heard about it. It had a first voyage a few months ago. Do you wanna come down to the pier with me and watch a ship land? Well, sure, I guess. I mean, I don't know, which ship is this now? It's the one that crashed into the pier a few months ago.

Do you want me to come stand on the pier? Let's go down to the pier. And watch the ship that crashed into the pier. It's the same pier and the same ship. And we're just gonna like roll the dice. You know, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I've got some other thing.

In retrospect, I'm good too. Yeah, I've got a baby and just, I'm busy. I've got some other things. Interest respect, I'm good too. Yeah, I've got a baby and just I'm busy. So did he try again? No, after the second crash, that was enough to scare off any investors that he might have. Sure, you got no one to hold them, no one to leave your boat to rot in the ocean. Which is basically what he did.

He did take it back to England, I guess, I don't know, like he was tired of the French people making fun of him, which you know they had to have been at that point. Brittle. Yeah, come on, you don't know, like he was tired of the French people making fun of him, which you know, they had to have been at that point. Brutal. Yeah. Come on, you English nerd. What are you doing?

So he took his ship back to the port and left it there to rust with the Bessimer Saloon inside, and pretty much abandoned the idea altogether. However, the Saloon did not die here. Oh, right. It never saw the sea again, but a few years later, Edward James Reed, who had been one of the initial investors, saw that the ship was about to break it up, get rid of it, you know, get rid of all the pieces.

And he said, hey, why don't, I will pay to have this whole cabin moved to my home, because I think it's kind of cool. So he had his, the whole cabin moved to his home and Kent, the Huxable House, and he turned it into a billiard room. Oh, excellent. Which, if you see pictures of it, it looks really cool, because it looks like a ship's

cabin. So he had that in his house, and then later his house became the Swanley Agriculture College, and the cabin was used as a lecture hall for a while, which is super cool. But sadly, it met its end, not at the sea, as you would have expected, but it was destroyed in World War II. So, but cool idea. Yeah, nice try. Now we got better speaking of World War II. At that point, we got a lot better with the idea of how can we prevent motion sickness because it became an issue for a lot of our fighting men and women. And so there was a lot of research into like how how can we do something to prevent motion sickness and in 1947 we just kind of noticed that

anohistamines actually helped to prevent motion sickness and we were using them for other things but we noticed that too. And so then that kind of became the treatment and the medicine people took which is still true today. There was this theory for a while that, and this was popular in the military, that you could just get people into good enough shape and they wouldn't be susceptible. Yeah, I think you see that in media a lot,

that there's a connection between like the city selector out on the ocean for the first time. And he gets sick all over his nice white dress lacks. But the hardened like C weary Captain Ron. No, he never gets. And I'm gonna watch Captain Ron this week. There's no better movie to watch the beach. Woof.

However, Captain Ron would be no less likely to get C6 than Martin Short. I mean, okay, if you're talking about their characters in the film, you are perhaps right. If you're talking about their characters in the film, you are perhaps right. If you're talking about in life, if Kurt Russell or Martin Shorty is gonna get C-Sick, I'm gonna put my money on Martin Short every single time.

See, that's the myth though, because that's what people thought. They thought like the little guys, the scrawny guys, the puny guys, the guys who aren't in good shape, that they're going to get C-Sick. And we always kind of assume this until in 1990,

there was a Canadian experiment where they actually said, let's find out if that's true. So they took a bunch, I believe there's a military personnel who were not in great shape. They thought we're kind of like puny, weak guys, for whatever reason, they weren't in good shape. And so they put them in a precision angular mover, which basically is this machine where you're in pitch darkness,

and they just kind of spin you around and upside down and throw you all over the place until you puke, which sounds awful. It sounds like the, yeah, that sounds like really bad. So they did that, timed how long it took them to puke, and then they put them through a rigorous training and exercise program, and they got really fit and reduced their body fat and got real, you know, got real small and then got real big. Got tiny and then got really fit and reduced their body fat and got real, you know, got real small and then got real big. Got tiny and then got huge.

Exactly. And then they put them back in the precision angular mover and they did worse than they did the first time around. Oh man. So, and this is not to say that don't get in good shape because then you're going to get motion sickness. You're more vulnerable. But I think it debunked the myth that like all you have to do is exercise enough to get rid of your motion sickness.

What can you do, Sid? What are some things that, real quick, what are some things that actually work? So some things that actually work, and most of us probably know this, our anahiss means like a drama mean is a very popular thing that people can take. Mechlazine, scopolamine, which comes in a handy little patch,

which some people will wear. I think that's part of the military-like package for that kind of thing, too. Finner, again, which just kind of helps with nausea. Ginger really can help. There is some evidence to back that up. So these are all things, of course, talk to your doctor about before you just take them

if you're concerned or if you have medical conditions. Stay above deck can help. I read these things from a sailor. Stay above deck. Don't eat a lot before a full stomach. It's more likely to get nauseous. Don't drink booze, which is like that defeats the purpose of being on a boat, but whatever.

Watch the horizon kind of stare to the horizon to help orient yourself and stay midship. It moves less. There are those sea bands that have the, the acupressure at your wrist. Yeah, it seems like a, seems made up. But I will say, I tried them when I was pregnant and I did not find them very helpful myself.

There's conflicting, there's never really been good evidence to show that they work, but there are people who anecdotally swear by them and I will say this, they can't hurt you. It's a wristband with a pressure point at your wrist. So if you'll want to try them, they're usually cheap, they're safe. I say give them a go. Yeah, even if it's placebo, if it works, it works. So. Excellent. Well, Sydney, thank you for covering that topic. And thank you to you for listening at home. We hope you're going to treat yourself to a little vacation time this week. I'm sure you've earned it. Thank you to the Maximum Fund Network for having us on their family of podcasts.

This week I'm gonna record my special do do do do do do recommendation is one bad mother, which is a show about being a mom, you were on it, Sid. Yeah, it's a great show. It's a ton of fun. I have a really cute shirt from their show too. That's true. That's true, it's a good shirt.

By the way, there's a lot of MaxFund Merchink at maxfundstore.com. There are two Sorbonne shirts, one of which was designed by Sidney's sister Taylor, that I'm wearing right this second, actually, I just realized. So go get it, because it's awesome. Go get it, Sid Cindy, you had a a few other things. I want to thank a couple people who were nice enough to send us some presents, which we love and appreciate. Thank you, Deanna, for an adorable little t-shirt for our daughter,

Charlie, that proclaims her a self-rescuing princess, which of course she is. We want to congratulate John and Julie, who got married in May, and sent us some adorable pictures of that and also Thank you to whoever in Edberg sent us a really cool Cadbury T-Tow You didn't include your name so I can't thank you by name But if you tweet it us or email us or something then I will thank you by name We have been remiss and thank you people by the way PO PO Box 34, honey, what's Virginia 25776? Is the address if you want to send us stuff. Thank you to James and Hannah for the draft and the onesies.

Thanks for the ring sling to Jan. Thanks for the book of remedies from Nick. Thanks to Kevin and Jessica Sturr for the monster cereals. There was a sip, the candy. Remember the chocolate that we got? Oh my gosh, all the different kinds of chocolate. Oh man, this is going to irritate me if I don't remember. Macadamia nuts and the corn nuts with the chocolate around. Oh there's a helping you with corn nuts. What's the brand of that? Sydney's going to a check-up, which brand of chocolate that was because I really appreciate that.

Thank you to Dina and Danny for all the cool stuff from Marty Grott. I'm just like opening random things. Oh, Sydney's gonna be so mad. I found that it from Brian at Fruition Chocolate. TasteFruition.com is there, Adiris. They send us some chocolates, very nice of them. I think that's everything. fruition chocolate. Yeah, thank you fruition chocolate.

I found a card from them in the stack, so. Are you kidding me? That's gonna do it for us on so much until next Wednesday. I'm Justin McGrroy. I'm Sydney McGrroy and it's always don't youle. Oh yeah. Alright! Maximumfund.org Comedy and Culture Artistone

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