Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - The (Maybe) Real Dr. Frankenstein

Episode Date: July 14, 2017

The man who (maybe) inspired Mary Shelley's Frankenstein didn't just try to breathe life into corpses. He also invented a medicine so toxic it was used in chemical warfare. Also, a kind of blue! This is all real. We swear. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Saubones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books. One, two, one, two, three, four. I'm your co-host Justin Maccalaureate. I'm your co-host Justin Maccalaureate.

I'm your co-host Justin Maccalaureate. I'm your co-host Justin Maccalaureate. I'm your co-host Justin Maccalaureate. I'm your co-host Justin Maccalaureate. I'm your co-host Justin Maccalaureate. For the mouth! Hello everybody and welcome to Saul Bones, a marital tour of Miscite Admedicine. I'm your co-host Justin McAroy. And I'm Sydney McAroy.

You hear that? Can you tell? My name? Did I hear me talk? No, but I definitely heard me talk. The sound of you talking, it's being isolated. It obviously sounds completely different to you. I'm sure because of this new acoustic treatment I had put in.

Right. All of these giant maroon panels that are lining the room of the... You specifically mentioned the maroon. You're always on my case about maroon. You love this color. I mean, the maroon, right? Like a really dark red. Yeah, I guess maroon is probably that dark red.

I think it's maroon-ish. It's like your favorite color and it's so dark and you covered. I never thought someday I'll grow up and I'll have a house where I have a scary room in the basement that's enshrouded in maroon rectangles of soundless horror. You probably also never thought you'd be married to podcast royalty That's true. I never once when I was younger thought I would be married to podcast royalty I'd be prophetic of you. What's what's the problem with the moon? Couldn't they at least be a different color like what like if we're gonna have giant panels. Couldn't they I don't know like Prussian blue

Well said that's very specific. That's a very specific poll of a color. I don't know that I've ever talked about Prussian blue before to be fair. Why Prussian blue? Well, aside from the fact that the more I think about it, the nicer I think it would look in here. I just didn't have a better transition into our topic this week. Okay. So there you go. So Prussian blue it is. So Prussian blue. Do you know, do you know who helped come up with the color with the dye that is Prussian blue? No. Well I'm going to tell you about him. His name is Johann Conrad Dippel. I know who created every other color, but I don't know. I didn't know that one. That's a lot. You just complete about

Cerulean. You've just completed the set. Burt Sienna. That was all Creole. They invented most colors. So tell me about dipole. It's an unfortunate name, but let's try to build on it. It is an unfortunate name. Mr. Dipolele, Dr. Dipple, Professor Dipple. It's like terrifyingly close to Mr. Whipple, the guy that squeezes the toilet paper. I just keep accidentally calling him Mr. Nipple. That's unfortunate as well. Especially for a physician to make that sort of error, it's hugely problematic. And then from there, I think about how Charlie calls Nipples Nipples, and then I want to call him Mr. Nipple.

Yeah, that's a whole thing. And he said, then I want to call it Mr. Nipple and yeah, the whole thing and he said normal That goes not much closer Mr. Nudel So Mr. Nipple Nipple Nudel Dipple was born. That's not it. No born in 1673 in southwestern Germany near darmsstadt, which is very close or what what darms thought, he was born in a castle. That's what you need to know. Okay. Fancy castle or what? I mean, I think pretty fancy,

because it was called castle, Frankenstein. Dun, dun, dun, dun. We put in some real sound effects or you're just gonna do that. Yeah, I made a crash noise. So he was born in Castle Frankenstein and because of this, he was occasionally, these are maybe better names.

He was occasionally known as Frank Frankensteinenses. Okay. Is it like a me nickname that kids in school called him because he lives Castle Frankenstein? I guess it's like you get a tag on your name that has to do it like where you live. If that was true when I was growing up, I would have been like Sydney Moss Creek. Sydney Moss Creek sounds like a girl reporter with fists of steel on a nose for trouble. He also was sometimes known as Frankenstein Astrade Montenus. Is that better than Dippel? I don't understand this great, wow, naming scheme you just came up with. I didn't come better than dipole? That just making you say I don't know. She was crazy.

Wow, naming scheme you just came up with. I didn't come up with that. I'm just telling you. Anyway, he studied a lot of stuff. Johan did. He was, I mean, sort of a, it wasn't the Renaissance, but I guess he was a Renaissance man. Sure. Uh, he studied theology. If you're a Renaissance man, the Renaissance man, during the Renaissance,

that's nothing. It's just a man. He said, he theology largely. He also studied alchemy. He said he'd medicine. When he was 16, his dad shipped him off to the University of Guesson to study and where he... A Yale Harvard. It's probably like Geeson or Geyson. I'm probably saying it completely wrong. Okay. Yeah. But he decided to focus on theology. At this point in history theology was a really kind of controversial area to go into. And that was part of why he was drawn to it. Because Johann liked fighting. He liked drama.

Stern up trouble. Exactly. He wrote tons of different theological works, largely under the name, Christianis Democritus. Of course, now that you've heard that, exactly who I'm talking about. That sounds like the made up hero from a Bible movie. I was watching a church camp. So he wrote tons of different theological works,

and he had a lot of unpopular positions, challenging a lot of the major church positions at the time. And throughout his career as a theologian, he got into lots of arguments with lots of important people. This would result in him occasionally being banned from different places. Sometimes like cities like Berlin or Strasbourg, or Wittenberg, or the place where he went to university, Geesson. Geesson? Geesson? It's unfortunate.

Gotta do the correspondence thing, I guess. Exactly. Also, sometimes from countries like Sweden and Russia. Man, a whole country. Yeah. Rural country, too. I don't know. That's pretty bad if you're like, you know what like, and this is the accidently going to Russia. This is like the late 1600s, early 1700s. I don't think

you could effectively be banned from all of Russia's back then, right? Like, how would they even find you? Like, they didn't have, find my friends. Yeah. You know, they wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to like find you by looking where you checked in on Facebook. So he also did a couple stents in jail as a result. He did seven years in prison for heresy. That's one point. And there was also I found one source that said he did a second shorter stent of jail time. He was arrested for too closely resembling Charles the twelfth of Sweden. I could not find, man, I hope that's true. I don't know if it's true. But what a wild reason to get arrested, right?

Yeah, absolutely. You look too much like a king. It could be confusing for people. Please. I'm sorry. We're going to have to put you in jail. That made up, I couldn't confirm this point. I usually like to cross your reference things, and I couldn't confirm this for sure.

And as I mentioned in this time, he also helped invent Prussian Blue, which, I mean, we all remember it before. But theology was not working out great for... For pill too, right? Is it the same thing? Prussian Blue, no. No, he just, he accidentally helped invent the die, like the collar of Prussian Blue no no he just he accidentally helped him vent the die like the collar of Prussian blue

With another with another dude. He there's another dude who was like makin something and he used one of dipoles chemicals And because he was also kind of an amateur chemist in addition to an alchemist And you know, it's also an antidote for heavy metal poisoning. I didn't just true. Well, I've learned that yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, just let me have one. I'm sorry. No, I didn't. I didn't know that. It's cool.

Just one thing ever. Been almost 200 episodes. They're just one. Nah. All right. Get the boss. Edit out where I said I did. Yeah.

I didn't know that. I did one edit earlier when I put in scary sound effects. That's my tattoo. That's my cap. So theology was not going great for Old Dippel because he was constantly getting in trouble and arrested and banned from places and he was pretty broke. So he thought, you know, why not turn to medicine? That seems reasonable for me.

He takes off numbers, sure. So he studied medicine in Leiden and I'm sure he probably worked as a physician. I can't find a lot of records of him actually seeing patients. It almost seemed like he was more interested in once he learned about the human body and anatomy and chemistry and how he could use those principles and then his already present interest and alchemy to do some sort of unusual experiments. Okay. So he took all this knowledge that he had gained and he retreated to Castle Frankenstein to do his experiments. It sounds very sinister. That's right. So the first thing he did was invent Dippel's oil.

Kind of a classic mistake to name the first thing you invent after yourself, because it may not work. And then the second thing you just have to call like Dippel's oil too. It's back. The sequel. So there were a lot of alchemists at this point in history who were trying to create the elixir of life. It was kind of like everybody was looking for something that would make you live forever

and then the philosopher's stone, right? So they could turn lead and go, yeah, there's two things everybody's in search of. So he makes his own version of sort of an elixir of eternal life, he calls it Dipples Oil. And basically it was made of a bunch of ground up animal parts who were kind of boiled and distilled down into an oil. So it mainly, mainly things like bones and hooves and hides.

I found kind of a recipe. Now this was from this recipe was actually recorded. It would have been about a hundred years later, so much later, but it was a recipe for Dipples oil. So it's based on his original recipe. So it was obtained from heart horn Distilled without addition rectifying the oil either by a slow distillation and a retort etc No bigger than is necessary and saving only the first portion that comes over or with water in a common still very fine and thin Must be kept in an opaque vessel or in a drawer

then must be kept in an opaque vessel or in a drawer. When I'm assuming a well sealed drawer. He's one, yeah, and he's gonna wanna keep their, or a towel, the elixir locked away in a drawer. And I'm probably gonna need access to that daily. I just worried about seepage through the drawer. Sure. You don't wanna lose that stuff. Or a dark place.

So, I mean, just anywhere, I guess, as it is quickly discolored by light, it is anti-spasmodic, anodine, meaning it'll kind of knock you out, make you sleepy, hypnotic, and diaphyritic, make you sweat, and taken in doses from 10 to 30 drops in water, anywhere from two to four times a day. Who would skimp on the dosage of their eternal life Alexa?

Who would try to keep out there? It says 10 to 30. I'll just dig with a 10. You can only know. Yeah, I mean like you're either immortal or you're not. Now you also heard what it's made of, so how eager are you to ingest a lot of this? That's fine. Now let's put the difference at 20. This is also a time where you kind of buy stuff like that knowing it probably doesn't work. Right. Nothing works. None of this stuff works.

So it probably won't get me alive forever. It definitely is made of ground up animal parts. So like you do have to kind of balance those two factors. And by the way, the result was initially this kind of thin, yellowish, oily substance. So very pungent. It was described as pungent in smell and smoky in flavor.

So mustard. Please don't ruin mustard for me. I'm so sorry. I love mustard. That aged into a thick, dark, smelly substance over time, or I guess with more exposure to light and such. People love this stuff. Now, I will say that dipple on the front front end made sure to lower your expectations and say, I can't

promise you that you will live forever with this. This was like his first go at this, right? Like I'm not I'm not guaranteeing eternal life. But what I am telling you is that you'll probably make it to like 135. As good solid age. A good solid 135 years old. It doesn't work come back get a 4 a 5 if you don't live forever gosh that's a that's the ticket man sell elixir of life potions mm-hmm yeah I mean that would be a very good you are a real doctor right not like I pretend I'm just saying if I wasn't really interested in helping people and I just wanted to make a lot of money.

And you just want to make some cash, of course. So he sold this stuff again, of course, to make you live longer. But like anything else at the time, if it's good for one thing, it's probably good for other things or all things or other things. So people tended to use it for everything. Of course, fevers, any kind of cold symptoms you might have. Non-specific things like, oh, your nurse flaring up, just take 10 drops of some dipples oil there. Are you having a seizure? Dipples oil will fix that for you. Do you not want

to get bitten by mosquitoes? Just smother yourself with some dipples oil. Now, that one I buy, I actually do buy that one. That one makes perfect sense to me. That would probably repel everything. Yeah, yeah. You're rubbing a bunch of animal guts on you, like for sure. I found some specific recipes for some medications using dipoles oil. So first was a liniment of dipoles oil. So basically a liniment, something that you would apply topic, so, uh, externally to your skin, topicically or externally, meaning you apply it outside. So what you would want to do if you were making a liniment of dipoles oil is mix it with some almond oil

and also some turpentine. Yeah. Preferably, I read turpentine soap, so I guess you'd get like a thicker pasteier kind of product. Yeah. Which would be good for a liniment, a good thing to like kind of rub on your skin and then apply bandages over and let it marinate you work.

Yeah. Exactly. And if you're going to make this, it's really good to put it on your stomach if you have worms in there. Oh, right. Cause they'll smell that. They're like, get out of here. These guys broken run for the aides. Taco Bell. Run for ainess.

There was also a tincture of dipoles oil. So what you would do with this is take some dipoles oil again, mix it with some ether and then ingest. Perfect. And you could use this as a stimulant, so a little pick me up, you know, and you'll pep in your step. Little little animal guts in your human gut. Or as an anti-spasmodic, meaning like, if you have muscle spasms, if you have stomach spasms, if you have something spasming, you just eat during dipulsol. He seems like a good oil. There was also something just called mixture of dipulzoil, which sounds kind of, I mean,

that's like what all these things are, right? But a mixture of dipulzoil, you just take dipulzoil and something called Hoffman's Anodine. And you mix them together and you could use that for tetanus. That will definitely not work for that. Hoffman's anodine, by the way, because I had to go figure, okay, well, what is this weird thing? So Hoffman's anodine is essentially just some ether and a lot of alcohol. That'll do it.

And it was- That'll get it done. It was mainly used as a hypnotic, meaning sleepy time, you know, Hoffman, sleepy time solution. They call the tetanus go away for a little while. Yeah, so I mean, I guess if you took a mixture of devil's oil, you may forget you have tetanus. So what's wrong with this guy? Sydney, I don't understand.

He sounds like kind of a hero. Well, let me tell you more about the story of Mr. Dippel, Dr. Dippel, sorry, but first, why don't you follow me to the billing department? Let's go. So what was next for Mr. Dippel? Well, the Dippel's oil just to kind of give you the end of of that story. It actually, these recipes that I read you, like I mentioned, they were from about a hundred years later, it persisted in kind of the medical pharmacopia until like the 19th century. It was really that long that people were still making and using Dipples Oil as a sort of home remedy cure all.

Yeah. Until finally, I saw some mentions in some like medical textbooks and pharmacopias from the 1800s where people were like, this is probably not, this is probably not really something. This is nothing. Don't just don't. We tried it.

I will tell you how to make it. I will definitely still give you a recipe for it But you probably shouldn't yeah, you're gonna wish your time. There's probably better stuff now So it did find a couple other uses Specifically in agriculture. I kept seeing it referenced as a sheep dip I did not know what sheep dip was. No, it'd be the first to admit It sounded horrifying to me. I don't want it eat a sheep dip I'll stick with an artichoke dip, please. Yeah don't want to eat a sheep dip. I'll stick with

an artichoke dip, please. Yeah, I'm a nice spin dip. No, thank you, sheep dip. But no, that's not what that means. It means that you're going to dip the sheep in something. Yeah, like a pesticide kind of bath to like clean them off. I guess this is very controversial too, because they've been known to use very terrible harmful chemicals in sheep dips and various animal dips in the past. And there's been like government cover-ups and all kinds of crazy stuff. I've just learned about all this.

I didn't know about it anyway. Anyway, sometimes they use dip-o-zoil as a sheep dip. I still found message boards where people were asking like, hey, you got a recipe for that dip-o-zoil so I can dip my horse in it. Okay, nobody's dipping horses, that's lunacy. They're dipping horses. They're dipping horses.

They're dipping them. I don't think you really dip them. I think you just like wash, I think actually what I found was it came in like a spray bottle and you were like, okay, that makes so much, you understand how that makes infinitely more sense than picking up a horse and dipping it in a bowl. I'm just saying it's called a dip.

Fair. I'm just saying that's what it's called. Anyway, I guess people are still trying to figure out how to do this and use this even today, even though I've read that it was banned, at least I think in the UK it was banned. So don't do that. Please. Don't that? Don't that?

But I guess that it persisted that long. I did find an interesting side note that it was used as sort of a chemical warfare agent in World War II. Good medicine. Where? It was dumped in wells to make water undrinkable so that the enemy would cut off their water supply. But since it didn't kill people, it didn't technically violate the Geneva Convention. So it was

Sort of chemical warfare similar. Yeah, similar. Yeah, it's like really gross. Yeah Really gross. I don't think but it means like it's still chemical warfare, right? Yeah, I mean you can't drink water after that. I don't know that the Geneva Convention Bestifies fatalities that accurate said because it's not lethal. Oh, it's what not accurate. Said because it's not lethal, it's not a lethal substance. Although, you know, it's, they said it's not a lethal substance, but I read multiple old annotations like back from the 1700s and 1800s where doctors would be very clear that if you took a tablespoon of dipoles oil at a time, it could kill you. Great, good medicine still.

So, so I would, I would contradict that point. Alright. I also found a place currently online where you can still buy Dipples oil. The price I saw was $2,500 US dollars a ton. Aachimaji. If you want a ton of Dipples oil. Yeah, literally. I don't recommend it. How about just don't? Just probably don't. Just to kind of give you a little bit more insight, I think that was the best thing that Dr. Dippel probably did. But in addition to this, he also had some darker pursuits. Darker than making a medical poison. Well, he was trying to make a licksie of eternal light. Okay. He also did search for the philosopher's den, of course.

Sure. All the alchemists were doing it. It was a fad everybody was. So a lot of alchemists were also doing experiments at the time to try to re-animate the dead and transfer the souls of one person and do another, specifically like from a cadaver to a cadaver, that kind of thing. This was not unusual. There were many people engaged in these experiments, and there are many people who were doing a lot of horrible things like grave robbing and desecrating corpses to do these terrible experiments. Dippel wrote about this stuff. He studied this stuff. He had a theory of how it could be done,

specifically how you could transfer the soul of one person into another person. And we're talking bodies here. We're talking cadavers, so you'd have to go steal bodies. Right, I've burned a body, basically. You never get to steal some bodies. But he had this whole description of how he thought it could be done through a funnel.

Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. A funnel. A funnel. Diple. I don't have, I have no diagrams here. Man, I wish I did. I imagine it looks like the friggin, uh, uh, uh, that machine from Princess Brad, right? Just like strapped it over his face. Just jams this all right in there. So somehow with a funnel, he wanted to transfer it all from one body to another, all this being said, I have no proof that he actually did this stuff. We don't want to put this guy on blast. He made me sing. Well, if the elixir worked, I guess. Yeah, that's true. So I don't think you're the maximum fun donor.

Johan Conradible. So I have no proof that he actually did these things. Of course, the rumors flew eventually as we'll get into about this guy. But I mean, he certainly wrote about it who's certainly interested in it. I just think if he had done it, he probably would have like recorded his experiments and talked about what he found and stuff. Yeah, he named the oil after himself. I think he probably let some people know.

Probably pretty boastful. He kicked the whole death thing. And this led to, because of all his writings about this and his interest in this, this led to really wild stories circulating about him, like going out and digging up human bodies and then boiling those for different kinds of oils and then trying to reanimate them. And that one time he blew up a tower in his own castle

accidentally in one of his experiments. This is not true. to reanimate them and that one time he blew up a tower in his own castle accidentally in one of his experiments. This is not true. And this guy's not definitely the inspiration for freeing it's time. You said he may be like this sounds like pretty concrete. I see. I told you that our listeners didn't know that yet. No, you told you said the beginning.

Did I? Well, I thought I hadn't given that away yet. No, maybe. No, it's still, I'll get to that. I mean, it would? Oh, I thought I hadn't given that away yet. No. Maybe. No, it's still, I'll get to that. I mean, it would have been, I'll do respect. I know you love the Paul Harvey twist in it. You said he lived in a castle Frankenstein.

And you would have been a pretty hard cover, I'll honestly. It's not quite as obvious as the Salisbury State guy. Yeah. So he, he did do, like I said, he did do a lot of experiments on animals. I mean, in addition to, you know, boiling them down into a weird oil that you don't want to drink. So in addition to that, he dissected a lot of animals. And from this, what he said, he learned, what he wrote, and what he shared with other people is that through his dissections, he was able to learn the secret to exercising

demons. Okay. Now just focus on the abs. I took, I took biology. I have dissected a frog before I don't ever remember learning that part about how to exercise the demons. Mm hmm. Well, you were absent that day.

I don't know. Maybe if I had taken the next anatomy class and gone to the fetal pig, maybe then I would have learned that. I don't know. Maybe if I had taken the next anatomy class and gone to the fetal pig, maybe then I would have learned that. I don't know. So as tales of this work of his exercising demon studies and his, you know, eternal life serum and his weird soul exchange funnel, as tales of this spread some began to theorize that in order to obtain this dark secret knowledge, he had sold his soul to the devil. Is that true? I mean no, honey.

Oh, okay. No, but he did let that rumor carry. Yeah, he got out that one line. I'm just going to mess with the event. Well, not only that, but if somebody thinks that you have an elixir of life that you obtain by selling your soul to the devil it's prime more likely to believe it works that's true that's how good it is yeah so then they thought well he must know something yeah he didn't sell his soul to the devil for nothing so it actually helped him sell

more dipoles oil perfect other crazy potions and such. So eventually because of all these rumors and his neighbors were getting upset and they didn't like this kind of creepy guy living in the neighborhood, he had to move to a different castle. It's just too bad. Castle, when Wittgenstein. Not nearly as cool.

As Frankenstein, nope. And he continued to do, even, I mean, he became more reclusive and doing more strange experiments and writings and stuff and just living off his dipoles oil until his death, which is still shrouded in myth. Now, more than likely, the truth is not really that, I don't know, unusual or mysterious. He most likely died from a stroke in 1734.

He was found in his castle. However, there were... I just want someone to say that about me someday. He was found in his castle. I just want that to be part of my orbit. I don't think it's asking so much. However, story spread that when he was found in his castle, he was blue, specifically, Prussian blue.

And that's how he invented it. And so rumors began to spread that he didn't have a stroke. Now what happened is that the Prussian blue was all part of the secret elixir of life formula plan. And he was drinking it to keep him alive forever, but instead it poisoned him and he died and turned blue or turned blue and died. I understand why people would want that poetic parallelism there. Right. There's no proof of this. I think you probably just had to stroke. He, as Justin has already alluded to, he is likely at least in part an inspiration for

Frankenstein. This is much debated. There is no definitive proof. Mary Shelley never said also, by the way, this is about that dipole guy just in case you wondered. But it is known that Mary Shelley visited the region around the castle, would have been near Castle Freikinstein, certainly would have known that it was there. It was a pretty famous castle.

And by the time she would have traveled through the area, the legend of this kind of mad scientist Dr. Dippel would have permeated all of the town's folk. So the idea that she would have said, what castle is that, oh, what's the story? And heard about it is not, is not outlandish at all, she may well have. In addition, there's this account of her speaking with some local university students

who went to the same university that he went to, who would have known the whole history of the castle and known the history of this guy who made this oil. So, so there's a lot of thought that maybe in part Dr. Dippel with his strange Experiments with possibly reanimating the dead and searching for eternal life. Yeah, it's called Frankenstein So on that it's Castle Frankenstein may have been part of the inspiration for Frankenstein Wow, it may just be that she said, you know what that Frankenstein that would be a cool name

It's cool name. It's a cool name. I should use it in my book. It seems unlikely, considering all the other factors. That's where I'm at in this one. I have found that like literary historians can get very angry arguing about this, at least on internet message boards. I don't know if they do in real life, but in internet messages boards, it gets pretty heated over whether or not this is true

They'll go fist a cup son if they remember their inhaler. I Can't say much. I'm I do medical history. So that's a that's for babboins So again, I am not saying this is definitive because I also saw a suggestion that hey Maybe he was the inspiration for foused. Okay, now you're guessing guessing. Right, so I mean, all of this could just be theory and myth. Of course, if he lived in Frankenstein Castle and he was kind of thought to be a mad scientist, there have to be ghost stories. It is said that if you want to see Dr. Dippel, just go to Frankenstein Castle anytime between Christmas and New Years. Must have been one of the tourists I was really like.

It's harder to track people to the creepy castle during that time period. Anytime between Christmas and New Years, we have great rates on Dipples Oil. Yeah. I think we all had trouble getting rid of people in the week between Christmas and New Years. This just has to be a spectral fellow But but supposedly his spirit remains unsettled because it was never unable to find the secret to eternal life Mysterious mysterious don't don't buy dipoles oil. Please. Please. Don't dip your horses in it or drink it or anything

No oils, please. Please don't dip your horses in it or drink it or anything. No. Folks, that's going to do it for us. Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. And thank you to the taxpayers for the use of their song medicines as the intro and outro of our program. Thanks to the maximum fun network for having us on. There's a lot of great shows on there that you should go check totally out. Oh, we're going to be doing a show this as you're listening to this this weekend, it's like in a couple days on Sunday in Philadelphia. There's a very few number of tickets left. They might be gone by the time you hear this, but if you want to go give it a shot bit. L.Y. Ford slash saw bones. Philly, it's going to be really fun.

Also I wanted to mention that we're going to the same venue, which is the Trickadera theater. We're doing 2 p.m. on Sunday and the flop house. Another max fund favorite is going to be doing 8 p.m. on Sunday as well. And also, we got this. Another maximum fund family podcast is going to be doing a show in Philly a few days after that. So try to get tickets for all those. I'm sorry, you just do a quick Google on other links for those. But the link for ours is bit.ly4sysalbones.filly. And I think that's gonna do it for since you're

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