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Episode Date: June 21, 2024

What’s the greatest celebrity notes app apology of all time? Who is Hollywood’s most divorced man? And which society is torturing the poets? Wanna know the answers, but have no time to scour the internet all day? Well, Peyton Dix and Hunter Harris have your back. These two beacons of truth and connoisseurs of mess have been bonded for over a decade, sharing the traumas of a crappy Boston dorm room and a pitiful Brooklyn dating scene. Now, these certified haters and internet carnivores are ready to cut your faves straight to the white meat.On Wondery’s new podcast Lemme Say This, you’re getting added to Hunter and Peyton’s group chat - a weekly conversation, going all-in on the pop culture news you didn’t realize you cared so much about. These best friends are chronically online so you don’t have to be. There’s nothing too niche or nosey.Listen to Lemme Say This ad-free: Wondery.fm/LemmeSayThisSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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While you're listening, follow Let Me Say This on the Wendree app or wherever you get your podcasts. podcasts. Well, the Pope said faggot again. I actually shouldn't be laughing as an ally. I will say it's all. Honestly, I'm going to let you laugh. No, let you laugh. I think we got a laugh.

That's all we can do. How he just apologized. No, like he's not defined by his past. He said, whatever. And I kind of like, I hope he says it again. I'm actually like waiting for it at this point. I have feel like I'm just at like a point in my gay career where I think it's truly comical

and I think it can't be anything else. By gay career, I'm assuming you mean your life. Yeah. Or your pride month. I know you've been going through it. Both. You know what? That's a two-fold answer, in fact.

But I feel like we just had to let the people know. He's still at it. He's at it again and then also randomly, did you see like 50 comedians went to the Vatican? They said, that's what's up. And then he said, bro, you're back at it. Like literally. Wait, who was the person that you,

who was he with that you were like local? Jimmy Fallon. Yes. Like I said, in this very chair, it's actually very easy to meet the Pope. He's extremely local. And then Jimmy Fallon meets him, like my God. He's everywhere. I think we kind of got a Lincoln build. We have the to meet the Pope. He's extremely local. And then Jimmy Fallon meets him. Like, Michael. He's everywhere.

I think we kind of got a Lincoln build. We have the Pope on the Pope. We're like, well, well, well, motherfucker. You guys were like kiki. You wouldn't even be mad. Yeah, we're gonna like queen out and Hunter's gonna be like, this is so inappropriate. No, it'll be like Ira all over again.

Maybe Ira is our Pope. Yeah. Oh God. Anyway, how are you, Hunter? What are you doing? I'm good. I'm looking very tan. I don't know if you noticed. I know. Yeah, no. I went to a wedding this weekend and it was upstate. And I don't normally like going to upstate New York,

but the secret is to be hosted by people who really know it very well. And I had a lovely time. And let me say this. I think I have been in the video of every wedding I've a lovely time. And let me say this, I think I have been in the video of every wedding I've ever been to. I'm like the club classic of being in wedding videos. You're like kind of the ultimate wedding guest. What are you doing?

Are you dancing? Are you doing like a sentimental look? Like, do you have like a thing that you return to or is it you just playing all these different parts? I just know when the camera's on me. And I'm like, oh, oh, oh. I'm like, oh. I do mean it.

And then I am dancing and I'm kind of sipping a drink in a very cunty way. You're cute. I'm doing all of it. You're kind of giving what the camera wants. Yeah, yeah. And we're an interracial couple. And we're every commercial now.

Have you noticed every commercial's interracial people? Ben, though. No, but it's like- The swirl agenda has been large and in charge interracial couple and like we're every commercial now. Like have you noticed every commercial's interracial people? Ben though. No, but it's like- The swirl agenda has been large and in charge since Obama was in presidency. It's so crazy now. Like every single commercial feature is an interracial couple.

Yeah. Stop it. Oh, I thought you were talking to like one of our producers. No, it needs to end the interracial couples on every commercial. It's like, we're good talent. I would not be that rude. How are you doing?

And how is outsiders in your Spotify rotation? It's still, so does song, top of the charts. Congratulations. Thank you. They just want a Tony. Yeah. Best musical. Tony heads, let's go.

Wait, another, your musical won too. Stereophonic. Yeah. It's so crazy when, I will say conservatively, five stereophonic songs are in my Spotify rap this year. No one would be surprised. How many times did you see it? Or did you just see it once and it changed your life?

I just saw it once and it changed my life. Okay, okay. Once was enough. Can I just say one more win that I have in the past week? If it's about Roni though. No, it's not about Roni. I actually, I'm so sad to say I did not have time to watch Roni and it was like, I know. I actually, I'm so sad to say I did not have time to watch Roni.

And it was like, I know. Oh, so you've been busy. Like I've been busy. You've been running a mock then. I'm telling you, it hurt being away from my girls. No, I went to dinner on Wednesday. My friend was in town and we were seated behind Romy Mars's grandfather. You might know him as Francis Ford Coppola.

Yeah, phrasing it that way, you're so fucked in the head. Where were you? I was at Balthazar. So of course, yeah. It sounds like I'm like, with this glamorous lifestyle, I set a like calendar alert to get this reservation. Like I said, 10 a.m., two weeks before, hello. Yeah, you do that though.

You live to wake up and watch Ri or get on Rezzy. I play Rezzy like it's the stock market. Like I'm like the wolf of Wall Street of Rezzy. Yeah, yeah. You actually are. I'm actually so happy for you. Did you freak? Did you gag?

Did you say hello? Oh my God, no. We were like back to back, back to back to back. Okay, sorry, not your brat pants and a brat summer. Oh my God, wait, I am in my brat pants. Charlie! Yeah, that's... For those listening along, Peyton's pants are brat green.

Brat green. Yeah, no, I didn't say hi because I was too nervous and also Sophia was there, no Romi. And then I saw on Keith McNally's Instagram after that George Clooney also showed up, but I didn't actually see him with my eyes. I think I saw him walking away. Okay, so maybe a meeting of the minds that you just missed.

You should have joined them. I should have. You should have come up and said, I've got ideas. You would have said, sit down, pull up a chair. Okay, we didn't talk about last night. Yeah, me and Sarah, the way you said that was like, I felt like we were about to have a confrontation. I was like, oh shit.

Everything I say sounds like that. Did I tweet something? I don't know why. Yeah, you're a little combative today. Okay, yesterday, which is another so fun, but also as you can physically tell, so tiring. I can hear it in your voice. Yeah, like if you're watching this at home,

for the viewers at home, I'm coming out as looking normal today. I've got a pimple patch on, I've got glasses, and I've got the best attitude I can muster. But can we pause for a second? Peyton wears a pimple patch so people think she's 19. I have a pimple. I don't think you actually have one.

I do. No. I would prove it to you, but there are cameras on us right now, so I won't. I care about myself a little too much. But yesterday, also a shout out to Hunter from trekking from the wedding to Grand Central to a reading I put on for Father's Day, a very holiday that comes and goes, if you will, Altynoche to fathers worldwide.

But I mean, Father's Day is missable. It's kind of like this guy. One of the core memory in my life is my pastor growing up saying like, you know, on Mother's Day, there are like, like 1 million and a half calls on AT&T. And on Father's Day, like 2000. He said no one calls anyone on Father's Day. It's quiet. And that's what it should be. Yeah. It was just so, I was like, and I'm like, and why do you think that is? Come find out

at my reading. It was basically therapy meets trauma dumping meets like a little bit of comedy. And I actually originally had wrote a piece about to share with the group about my dad. Shout out to Louis Dex, we love him. But then I said, you know what? I'm gonna save that for the book deal, planting that seed. Trauma at that scale needs to be like compensated for.

You need to pay 34.99 for the hardcover. Yeah, I get it. Exactly. I see what you're saying. So I last switched my story to, and I don't wanna give it too much away because I actually talked about this on another podcast, but ooh, cross-pollination. And I told the story about how I, at 21,

failed an attempt to be a sugar baby. And it was the most humiliating experience. I was like the hottest I've ever been. I didn't look like this right now. I looked hot. And I like tried to convince this 50 year old man that I was like selling something that he wants. And he said, let's get you home, girl.

Let's get you back in school. Like he patted you on your head and said, not quite. No, literally patted me on the back. Like it was humiliating. Sex work is work. I'm just not ready to clock in. And I think that's- It sounds like you were ready and you were,

he's like, actually get back to the unemployment line. I actually didn't, yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually, my LinkedIn, it was like, it didn't fit the bill. He checked my resume, he said, oh no, no, no, no, this won't be the job for you. He checked your resume, which was empty. It was like me at internships.

What does that prepare you for in life? Nothing. Internships like bad exes, like that's it. Oh, it was really diabolical, but it was a really fun event. And I'm like, oh right, like it's so reassuring to know like no one has a solid relationship with their father.

Like we're really all in this together. Yeah, but I also think there are like a lot of- I don't, I was about to be like, oh, brag. Oh. Good for you, good for you. You got a healthy relationship with your dad. Sure. What I was going to say though is that I was very intrigued

that a lot of people had different reads of like dads. It was like, like daddy met on a website. Yeah. Like- Daddy, we had some strapping involved, like dads, it was like daddy met on a website. Daddy, we had some strapping involved, getting called daddy while getting pegged, and that was really beautiful. Yeah, and then they're, oh my gosh, you have to talk about,

I was runner up in a competition. Yes, oh my God, oh my God, I forgot you were like silver medalist. We had a competition for who, you had to pitch to the audience who the ultimate daddy was. And the winner was pretty good, I'm sorry. It was Lactaid, shout out to our friend AJ who really had

at Garby 93. At Garby 93. Best follow on my timeline after it balled in down. Who really took it home with that one. But Hunter, please tell us what your pitch was. And pitch it in fact. I really took it home with that one, but Hunter, please tell us what your pitch was. Unpitch it, in fact.

My pitch for best daddy is Beast from Beauty and the Beast, Disney Zone. Sorry, what else do I really have to say? He's big, he's hairy, he is emotionally unavailable, he built Belle a library, he has a big house. Ever heard of it? So he got money. He got money, his body tea. He's super thick, he's super pretty.

Yeah. Wait, all true, actually. No, like literally all true. All true. When he turns into a man and Belle's like, oh, uh-oh. That's the only reasonable way to respond. Like he turns into a man and is like ugly.

Like he's blonde and it's like enough, enough. Turn him back to beast. Back, B to B, back to beast. I respond, like, he turns into a man and is like ugly. Like he's blonde and it's like enough, enough. Turn him back to beast, back, B to B, back to beast. If you can't tell, I've been listening to Charlie XCX nonstop. As you should. Yes, someone asked last week, what were my favorite songs? Cause I describe them so crazily.

And now I actually don't know the words and I like, Name them. I like, actually let me get out my phone, take it to the text. Okay, man. You're like, I love the one that goes beep, beep, beep. And the one's like, ehh, like literally. Okay, my favorites are club classics. Everything is romantic.

Perfect song. Okay, I had saved Apple before, but listening to that, I was like, I don't know if I like Apple. Not in my top five. B2B, of course. Mean Girls, I see it for her, and that's controversial, I know. But you have to have been a bully in middle school to like understand.

More on that later. I think about it all the time. That's a good slight. Yeah. I wish people knew what songs you were talking about when you were describing in the craziest way your favorite Charli XCX pops. I think they did.

Well, sorry, she sounds like dial-up. Well. But like to a beat. Well. Ha ha ha. Anyway, this week, Well, sorry, she sounds like dial-up, but like to a beat. Well. Anyway, this week we are talking about Taylor Swift's ex, Maddie Healy, getting engaged in the middle of her heiress tour and Austin Butler and Glenn Powell squaring up over our very online hearts.

And we're joined by Saatchi Cole to talk about the new reigning bi-con, Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Yeah. So let me just say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinion? Are you a hater first and a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but no, no, no, we're not calling you out. We're calling you in.

This is a safe space. To talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Diggs. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this. No. Yo, oh my gosh, yeah, we love it till we hate it. Yo, get your first, I'ma talk, let me say this.

["Tortured Poets"] In between the 296 conservative estimate, special double, special or specialist deluxe editions of Taylor Swift's album, The Tortured Poets Department. She has actually been tortured. Her, yeah, her ex-boyfriend, her rebound after Joe Alwyn, Maddie Healy. Her maybe most embarrassing moment today.

Yeah, 100%. What was first? That music video. Wildest Dreams, The Africa one? Oh my god, I forgot about that. So third. Anyway, Maddie Healy just got engaged. Right in the middle of her heiress tour, Taylor Swift's ex gets engaged.

And for the people that have brains at work, can you please explain who Maddie Healy is? Maddie Healy, I would say is like a disease on the loose. I'm calling this CDC. We need to get Mattie Healey under control. If your loved one has been affected by Mattie Healey, please call the number on your screen. No, I don't. Please call someone.

No, there's actually probably many people that would call considering he runs about kissing people on stage. Yes, and so Matt Manny Healy was unfortunately brought to my attention by Taylor Swift dating him, but he is the front man of the band The 1975, which I haven't really listened to that much. And he is sort of notorious for the summer that he would make out with people,

like fans on stage, like a really gross tongue forward, slobbery way. He also, yeah, dated Taylor Swift right after she broke up with Joel Alwyn. And I think the consensus is that a lot of the tortured poets department, like most of the songs that are very heartbroken are about him and not Joel Alwyn.

Yeah, which is upsetting. Girl, get up. Girl, get up, Lur. Really upsetting. But a situationship can knock you out. Let's hold space for that. Ooh, child. And I will say we also have to talk about the gabriette of it all. I mean, I was just shocked. So he got engaged to gabriette.

Yeah, but I was just shocked that they were even dating. That was not on my radar. That was not on my timeline. And now they're engaged. And now I'm like, you girl, get up. All the girls, get up. All the girls that... I lowkey have some 1975 songs saved on my Spotify, And now I'm like, you girl get up. All the girls get up. All the girls that, I like,

Loki have some 1975 songs saved my Spotify, but all the girls that listened to the 1975, that's Dan Mataheeley, we all collectively need to get up and rise together. But Gabrielle, if you are aware, if you are aware, if anyone's aware, is a former pop singer turned like, kind of like the it girl of Instagram in many ways.

Like she's also a model, but she has one of those faces in my opinion, that was the ultimate resurgence of indie sleaze. Like that like dark cat eye, that like kind of like sunken face, that like pouty lip. Like that like where you just look a little mad. I kind of always wanted to look like one of those girls, but I'm black. Yeah, yeah. She also- I have a positive attitude, but yeah.

I think her most prominent feature that I noticed is like her skinny little eyebrows. Her skinny little eyebrows, yeah. Like she's really like doing the skinny brow and kind of taking it with the skinny brow. No, she has a face by God, a face that everyone now is copying. I think she's a bad bitch,

which is why I'm disappointed right now, because finding out back, like double homicide, found out they're dating and find out now they're engaged, that was a hard hit for me. Oh. It was a hard hit. On Pride Month too, during Pride Month too. Well, I think she's straight as an arrow, but yeah, sure, I'll take it.

Gabrielle had posted a photo on her Instagram story of her engagement ring at the Charli XCX show, captioned, marrying the 1975 is so brat. And as a, you know, brat stan, as we are in this house, I'm taking the pants off immediately. I was like, well, that's the case. Oh, take these off. I've got my bra pants on.

It's so nasty. Charlie, who's also engaged to a 1975 boy band member, but I really need them to not. Calling the 1975 a boy band is so funny to me. Sorry, aren't they? They're no better than any of these other, than the boy band on The Idea for You. Yeah. The Idea of You,

the Anne Hathaway movie. Same to me. Couldn't point them out in lineups. Yeah, the same fucking people. I kind of like, I don't know Gabrielle, but like, I want better for my sister. I really do. Like, Maddie Healy is a scourge on our society. I don't even know if I'm saying that word right. Scourge, I love that though.

I don't even care if it's right. It sounded nice. Thanks, thank you. Just putting that one up there. No, he did a Nazi salute on stage. He'll make out with the fans on stage too, which is just like nasty and also weird. He also had those racist comments about Ice Spice when he was on some radio show. make out with the fans on stage too, which is just like nasty and also weird. He also had those racist comments about I-Spice

when he was on some radio show, calling her an Inuit Spice girl and a quote, chubby Chinese lady. That's so like, what a rotten thing to say. Yeah. And also like, you know, Treepang got on her cell phone, which I'm sure has every famous person's number

and said, Ice Face, come into the studio, Karma remix now. Yeah, and I have to tell Tree Payne, you didn't have to do that. There were other ways. We didn't need that Karma remix. Karma is that girl, like, no, I'm sorry. And I love Ice Face.

I thought it was funny. This is a house of Ice Face. I thought that remix was funny. I'm glad you had fun. Some of us were hurting over here. I didn't really even need them to link up. It was like a cultural crossover I can actually like, like, live without. But I blame Mattie Healy for that shitty remix.

Yeah. And I know Icebite did not like that man. I know she kind of forgave him publicly or whatever. But I know she was like, oh, it stinks. She was holding her purse tight. She said, oh, Pink Panther style. Yeah. She said, oh, he might rob me.

I don't know. And he probably would. I can't say a good thing about him. He looks like he steals for fun. You know those white girls you grow up with that steal for fun. Oh, yes. Oh my God. They're like, Victoria's you grew up with.

Okay, I mean, actually, yeah, redistribute the wealth, go off. But like, he looks like he just smells like a cigarette or milk, old milk. But like both those things together is like also very nasty. Like that's kind of what I'm getting from him. Cigarettes or milk. Old milk. But like both those things together is like also very nasty. Like that's kind of what I'm getting from him. Cigarettes and milk. Yeah, I think his face looks like a semi-colon.

Like he's always like puzzled. What could be so damn puzzling? Is that a British thing though? Ooh. Sorry. Love ya. How dare you? Many British men don't have that problem.

What I'm getting at here though is that why would he do this in the middle of the heiress tour? That's kind of, it feels not targeted, but a little nasty, a little messy. Yeah, I don't think he's smart enough to be getting a proper look back or have this be too calculated, but the timing is everything and it's also not lost on me.

Yeah. And I do wonder where does this entry pain Taylor Swift's publicist master calendar, does this move up the Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift, you know, rumored engagement? Or does it push it back? I think it pushes it back. She's sentenced to the era's tour until December. I don't think that they even want to be in a connected news story sentenced together. Yeah. So I think it's pushes it back. She's sentenced to the era's tour until December. I don't think that they even want to be in a connected news story sentenced together. Yeah. So I think it's pushing it back.

Yeah, that's true. She's gotta get far away from that man. The one thing that united Swifties, One Nation Under God, was One Nation Under... Painting Matt and Healy. And Matt and Healy. Get this man away from her. That was the one time we were a proper, a whole country. But she got her look back on the album.

She said, but daddy, I love him. She did, and she should. I think what we're getting at though is like, Dabria, good luck. I wish you a very iconic divorce, if it even gets to the wedding, if it even gets to the marriage. I feel like we need an air horn for whenever a bicon drops. Like I want to hear a to announce that like gypsy Rose Blanchard is now sort of bisexual.

Like that's how I want to say it. But we don't have those tools just yet in our repertoire. But welcome to the floor gypsy Rose Blanchard. Happy Pride to me. I said us, but you're an ally, so me. My God. Well, recently in her new doc, her new life after lockup doc, she came out in a way, let's put the asterisks on that, but said that she questioned her bisexuality for basically her life. She was smoothing in, bumping coochies in prison. Bumping coochies.

I'm gonna regret that so hard. That's actually what the tragic redemption is about. Bumping coochies in prison. She was really having her orange is the new black moment. Said she kissed more girls than guys. And like before, you know, she landed into her now current relationships with men, she was like kind of giving by rights.

Yeah. And to talk about Gypsy Rose, with men, she was like kind of giving by rights. Hmm. Yeah. Hmm. And to talk about Gypsy Rose, we have with us Sachi Cole. Sachi Cole is a senior writer at Slate and the author of the upcoming book, Sucker Punch, which will be out in March 2025. And she's also the cohost of Scamfluencers, a podcast from Wondery. Welcome.

Welcome. Brought you on to talk about some mess. But before we get into that really quickly, can you give us like the TLDR on your new book? And when can I get my hands on it? It's about divorce. Her, you know this is a pro divorce podcast. Oh, thank God.

You are pro divorce. I am pro, I am pro divorce. I'm very pro divorce. It's about divorce. It's about everything falling apart. That's basically it. You'll get a galley soon. You can pre-order it now.

Thank God. Yeah. Sucker punch. Sucker punch. Great book cover too, by the way. Thanks. Oh, you ate that. I know.

Yeah, you said, I know I did. I know I did. Oh, I love when a woman knows. Yeah, it's a good one. The cover is like bright green, which obviously we love, has like a, what are those called? Blood, Bloody Knuckles. Brass Knuckles which obviously we love, has like a, what are those called? Blood, Bloody Knuckles? Brass Knuckles.

Bloody Knuckles, Christ. And a wedding ring where, obviously, the ring finger would be. It's in the bold font, it's really good. It's really good. I feel like I like covers that are super simple and also very clear what we're getting at. And both are accomplished here.

Okay, wait, really important question first to take us into the subject. Sure. Are you a lover or a hater? Of what? In general. Just in general? Oh, I'm a virulent hater.

Thank God. I'm a notorious hater. Hater rights. Hater rights for once. Now, are you a lover or a hater of Gypsy Rose? I'm a defender of Gypsy Rose. Welcome. I'm a defender of Gypsy Rose.

So we're safe here. Yes. We're light-minded individuals. I admire anybody who is their full self, I'm the defender of students. So we're safe here. Yes. We're light-minded individuals. Yeah. I admire anybody who is their full self, even when other people are really derisive of it. And I think she really is kind of her full self as much as she can be, which I think is interesting. And there is something about her having grown up in this like extremely abusive, toxic environment

with a mother who had Munchausen by proxy and made her essentially fake all these ailments, all these diseases, have all these surgeries for her entire life. And now she's like kind of spread her wings. She in the middle, oh yeah, in the middle she did have her boyfriend kill her mother. Right, that kind of did happen. She did do that. It was an unfortunate asterisk on her way to stand them for gypsy girls. But you glow through what you go through. And she's really a living testament to that. I'm sure she had that on herself somewhere.

Yeah, yeah. To talk her through the long days. Yeah. Yeah, no, I will say I love the way that like the gays, especially now that she's bi with an asterix, really rally behind her. They're like, gypsies, you ate that, you slayed queen. And then everyone's like, oh, well, I guess you did.

Yeah, she slayed mother. She slayed mother. She slayed mother who stows down. Oh, God. We're going to hell, I can't wait. It's gonna be fun there. So she did spend seven years in prison. Her boyfriend who actually did the murder

got life in prison. But ever since then, she's like been at, she's like seven years in prison. Her boyfriend who actually did the murder got life in prison. But ever since then, she's been at, she's like real it girl tour. Yeah, she's having a hot girl summer. Taylor Swift's publicist, Tree Payne herself could not have conjured up a better rollout of Gypsy Rose as a celebrity. Why was she not in the Charlie XCX 360 video?

And that's the real question. But Saatchi, I am curious. You have covered a lot of true crime stories and you've appeared in documentaries about Aaron Carter, Nick Carter, Quiet On Set, the Nickelodeon, the documentary about Nickelodeon. I need your POV. Why are we so fascinated with Gypsy Rose Blanchard? And what does that say about us? I think we're interested in her because she lacks so much context. So Gypsy is somebody who came of age in prison mostly. And if it wasn't in prison,

it was with an incredibly abusive parent who was manipulating the entire world around her. I mean, when you watch the Lifetime episode about her talking about this, one of the things she talks about is how her body is covered in scars from this abuse from her mom and how she has to square away what her body looks like as an adult. Now that has been impacted by all this abuse from her mom and how she has to square away what her body looks like as an adult now, that has been impacted by all this abuse, like thinking about the teeth that she had pulled, that her mom had pulled so she could have feeding tubes put into her mouth.

Like there's a level of physical and psychological abuse that she has withstood that has made her a fundamentally different person, regardless of then the prison sentence that she was given that put her, again, even further out of context. So now she's entering our world and she's kind of like somebody who was frozen in amber at some point

and has been released now in the world. And so she's using all these weird words that like don't sound natural. Like when she says Panini Press, it's the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. Just cut that audio and use that as every time a new buy icon drops, you can use her saying, I guess you're just panini pressed.

It's more, it's like, it's mortifying the way when you watch a teenager go through puberty, that is mortifying, which I have great respect for because puberty is hard. But I also didn't realize she's like 33, I think. I thought she was so much younger. And that has so much to do with the time lost and what's been done to her body, of course, too.

I do have a little bit of, I guess it's a surprise for you. Oh God, I feel you. I feel your anticipation. Did you buy me a cameo? Did you get me a gypsy cameo? Come on in, gypsy rose! No, it's actually this.

I'm gonna butcher it, but it's fine. It's like, honey, I'm not worried about you. My man wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot pole. You're just mad that I have a Chad. And last time I checked, you don't even have a man. Looks like you're the one that's panini pressed. Call a spade a spade, honey. Keeping content.

Sorry, Emmy. I didn't like that at all. Joey King Packer bag. It's for you? You can't give an Emmy to yourself. I just did. History happens. She kept looking at me while she did it.

I did, you liked the direct eye contact? I really did not like the eye contact. No, no, it was for you. Satri's like, I'm not penny pressed. I'm actually pizza open to the world. I'm as loose as possible on this. Satri leaves the podcast. Well, I'm so glad you enjoyed that as much as possible on this. So she leaves the podcast. Well, I'm so glad you enjoyed that as much as I did.

Yeah, thanks. Her story happened. She, but there's, I love her social media presence. Like the way, just her vernacular, like it's so, you know, dated and also juvenile. But think about if you had gone viral when you were like 15. Yeah.

Like no greater disaster could have happened to me than anything I'd ever said in puberty becoming available for public consumption. Yeah. But that kind of awareness only comes like after adolescence. Like I was embarrassed when I was an adolescent, but then you have to grow into like, oh, that's why I was feeling that hello inside out too.

But I wondered, what do you see? Do you see her developing that ever? Like, do you think that she'll ever become self-conscious in that way? I hope not. Yeah. What's the point? I think most of us live with too much self-consciousness.

So I don't really desire that for almost anybody. And self-consciousness does not cure people of most of their ills. It doesn't make them nicer, it doesn't make them better people. It just creates a kind of anxiety vortex that then we all have to live in with you because you can't talk to other people.

Now this social interaction has become unpleasant. But I mean, I don't know, maybe, but ultimately she's lacking something really fundamental, which are those first 20 years of developmental life when you figure all this stuff out and she did not have a safe place to do that. So she's gonna do it now. And it's still not a safe place to do it

because now she's doing it on the internet, which is one of the worst places in the world. The internet is the worst hell on earth. Everyone is behind her. I mean, people love her to like an icon degree. Yeah, okay. I was gonna say, I mean, we're talking about divorce. She is famously going through a divorce.

And when I knew it was gonna be a hot girl summer was when I saw those photos of her smoking a cig with her ex-man, now her current new man. I said, the bitch is back. I said, with a nose job too, I said, that's my girl. That's my- I thought it was when she got, she was wearing like tiny leather shorts

and a sweater that had like pearls on top. Oh, I missed that. She dyed her hair blonde at some point. There was a lot going on. I love our gypsy rose moments. Yeah, we all have one. I also have to clarify that she had a boyfriend in prison and then married a different man

and then divorced him and went back to her prison, Ben, if you will. Yeah, who she was defending in that speech. Okay. Yeah, okay. Getting the girls off her man's back. Cause they're all, cause they're all so jealous. Running, yeah.

It was me, I'm the girl that left the comment being like. I would like to know who that woman was and I think you should tell us. It was my burner account. Tell us if it's you, because I have questions. No, break your silence. We wanna know. What do you think is next for Gypsy Rose, both of you?

I don't know, it's a good question. Or what do you want for her? Yeah. You can make it up. I want her to do whatever she wants. Yeah. I think she's earned it. She kind of is. Yeah. I kind of don't want her in the public eye. Like I want her to like,

like I would be like, oh my gosh, I need her to be like, I don't know, on a red carpet. But at the same time, I'm like, I need her to live her best life. We kind of want her to go away because we know how cruel it can be to be discussed by, you know, three ethnics on a podcast. That's a tough, it's like a tough racket

and she's in on it for sure. And this is like the most generous version of it. And it's still tough. We've breezed on by the murder of it all. But it's still brutal. We're still like pulling apart every weird thing she says, thinking about her outfits, questioning her maturity level, talking about how old she is, that she seems younger.

Like this is the best version of public discourse that she could get. It's rough still. So like, yeah, maybe I would hope for her sense of well-being that she would disappear, but for my interests, like, oh, I hope she like starts a company and you know, like develops a florid TikTok presence. You know, I'm curious what her life's gonna look like,

but I have no idea. I don't know that she knows, she's been out of prison for five minutes. Yeah. Like it's not been very long. Like she's fresh out. Fresh out the slammer. That was a Taylor Swift song from the Torture Poets department, sorry.

I didn't know that. Sorry, sorry. That was out of my- Excuse me, we gotta move on. Arsh, you're like, oh, girl. I immediately regretted it too. I can tell too, you kinda shrunk off, you're like, oh, girl, I'm not into that. I immediately regretted it too. I can tell too, you kinda shrunk off, you're like, oh shit. We teach girls to shrink themselves

and this right here is actually why. Sometimes it's worth it. Sometimes girls need to be shrinking. I do want her to have like an under the Tuscan sun. Like I want her to like have a big vacation. That would be really amazing. I'd like her to be able to date some of these people without marrying them or writing public screeds about them.

Like she needs to learn the part of like hot girl summer is that like, they're not all your boyfriends. Like some of them are just men, you know? I'd like her to get into the dive into your situation to them area of this and that. And I think that was the kind of strange part to me about her getting married right out of prison or like as she was exiting prison

is that you have so much to explore. Like have a goal on a hoed trip, have a hot girl summer, like really explore, experiment, and then settle down. But I think it is the kind of like rushed adolescence. Like when you could not experience anything due to abuse and captivity, then you really are excited. In the doc, it seems like her family

does really want that for her. Like they're all very against mismans, the husband. They all are apprehensive about that relationship, which obviously ended, and for good reason. I will say, given this recent news about her being a munch, is maybe Gypsy Rose hits the street. Let's go, girl, it's still Pride, me, like we got a few clubs to hit up. I say if she was photographed with like,

hear me out Ruby Rose, they both need the PR. I would have to lie down for 500 years if I saw that. It would. That would be like, if you showed up to pioneer that, like they would fall apart. That's, I would, my whole brain, it would be like full ego death. I'd be able to return.

I'm Gypsy Rose's tree pain. I also need to know, Peyton, why is Ruby Rose top of mind for you? Because I, one, well, the name, obviously. Ruby Rose, oh, Gypsy Rose Ruby Rose. I thought that would be like a fun thing. Sorry, I'm just a wordsmith. War of the Roses, if they break up.

That'd be great. A great divorce. See, there's like something, see, I'm cooking. You guys are getting ahead. And now you're kind of, now you're kind of eating. You see what I'm doing here? Yeah. All right. Okay, watch this space.

I want more from let's go buy turned lesbian gypsy rose. Call me gypsy. We have work to do. Let's link and build. Happy Pride from me and the Pope. Sachi, thank you so much for joining us. I like, this is why you're in every documentary because you really come with a a soundbite for care.

You really, you're like teachers pet of documentary makers. What a weird thing for me to think about later that confluence of work. No, no, I mean it like as the highest praise. I swear, I take it. Frederick Wiseman needs to call you. Anyway, where can people follow you? You can find me everywhere at Slate, on Substack,

or on Instagram at Saatchi S-C-A-A-C-H-I. And once again, when does Sucker Punch come out? Sucker Punch is out March 11th, 2025, and you can pre-order it now. Period. Thank you. Thank you. Do you want to sign?

Mm-hmm. ["Sucker Punch Theme Song"] You know, I thought that I would be done standing bravely behind white men, but we are so back. We are so back. Because when I tell you, I recently did a double feature of Anyone But You on the plane. And then I watched Netflix's new hit man starring my man, Glenn Powell. That is a star. Speak on it. Speak on it.

That's a star. And a star in a way that I'm like, oh, you're the people's princess. Like this kooky little Netflix movie, which actually was really good. I had so much fun watching it. He was like, I'll be silly. I'll be, I'll be sexy. I'll be, I'll give you anything you want. What do you want girl? I'll give it to you. Like that's how he acts to me. Like, especially in, he's, he's like a charcuterie board, like for women. Like I think something about him that really puts a little twinkle in my eye is that he is kind of like a goofy little hot, regular, regular boy.

Yeah, yeah, I know. That's a really good way to put it. Like he's not trying to be like, oh, I'm a star. Like he's like, I'm a girl's man. I'm a guy's guy. I'm whoever you want me to be. I love a man who like works for women's approval and appreciation when so few men do that.

And he's putting in the work. And you know, I have to say I was an early adopter. I bought low and I'm holding stock term. Ever heard of it? Ever heard of the stock market? No, actually I'm not that rich. On Glenn Powell stock, I have been obsessed with him since 2016, the Richard Linklater movie,

Everybody Wants Some, two exclamation points. And when I tell you that Richard Linklater invented baseball so that Glenn Powell could have something to do in this movie, like, it's just a movie about guys being bros. Bros being dudes. Yeah, like dudes being kind of lover boys. Like they all, there's so much like homoerotic tension in that movie.

It's, have you seen it? No, but add to Q. Oh, God. You said homoerotic tension. I literally sat up. That was crazy. Well, every boy in that movie, except for Blake Jenner is cute.

But there's also one scene where Glenn Powell like actually activates every cell in my body. This like one line reading, he's like, what's your boyfriend do? And it's like, it's so, you have to like watch the Erotic Tension movie. I wasn't sold on that, but I'll go back to the Erotic Tension. I'm doing my best, I'm doing my best.

I have been asking for a Glenn Powell cover of GQ for like literally years. Yeah, yeah, I think his time is now. I mean, I was only radicalized when I saw him in... I keep calling it the Aviator movie. What is it? Like, it's... What is that movie where they're in the planes having the time of their lives?

Oh, Top Gun. Top Gun. Top Gun Maverick. Top Gun Maverick. Yeah. Yeah. He... Oh, my God. On that beach, catching that little football. He took it. He took it. And did you know... I hate to be a bitch with a fun fact, but did you love to be a bitch with a fun fact, but did you know? You love to be a bitch with a fun fact. No, I hate bitches that have fun facts.

Did you know that he originally auditioned for the Miles Teller role, didn't get it, and they wrote a whole role for him and like beefed it up so he could be in that movie because they saw the vision. Okay, history happened. Yes, yes, yes. And let me say this, like my whole family loves Glenn Powell. Yeah, because he's for the vision. Okay, history happened. Yes. Yes. Yes. And let me say this, like, my whole family loves Glenn Powell. Yeah, because he's for the people. I were all the people I went to

see the movie devotion also about planes with my 86 year old uncle and uncle and I were second row and we were loving every minute of the movie. Second row that didn't hurt your neck. Oh, like second row one of the theaters where it's like back seating like there wasn't like a like the second row was like comfortable. I was like, why are you torturing your uncle like that? No, he actually was like, I was like, like second row in one of the theaters where it's like back seating. Like there wasn't like a, like the second row was like comfortable. I was like, why are you torturing your uncle like that? No, he actually was like, I was like, we can sit in like the earlier row. And he was like, no, we have to like,

let's get the good seats. Like, shout out to uncle. Yeah, I feel like Glenn Powell at this point in his career and at this point in my life is kind of taking it for White Boy of the Week. I think he's kind of top of the pyramid right now. Yeah. Who's doing it like him.

He's top of house. He's top of house. And he's top of house for like everybody. Kids love him. Uncles love him. Black girls with a podcast love him. Lesbians love him. That's crazy.

I also love that he's like a little bit messy because one time in 2017 I tweeted, why would you hire Scott Eastwood when Glenn Powell exists? And he liked it. He liked the tweet. That's how online he is. No, like, he's like, kind of my sister. Wait, yeah, no, he ate that.

Yeah. He was clicking like this. And making a little face. This was also a time when Scott Eastwood had a relevant acting career, just for context. If it sounds like weird now. Yeah, he tweeted it yesterday. Everyone's like, weird now. Yeah. You're like tweeted it yesterday. Everyone's like, we know.

Yeah. I also will say there's this video that I just have to bring up that I saw on Twitter of him getting his makeup done. Yes. The time lapse of him getting his makeup done and he's yapping the whole time. He really shouldn't be on this podcast. No, like guns, gums, flabbing, like really like yapping, yapping. I need the audio leaked, please God.

Whatever hairstylist has that drama. It made me tired to watch. I was like, I can't imagine talking that much. Do you think people think that about our podcast? They're like, shut it down. No, no. No, after we finished recording, I go into an echo chamber and like,

No, silence. Like, go into a dark room, draw the curtains. Wait, important, if we're saying Glenn Powell's taking the top billing, who's this competition? Who are the runner-ups? And you know it's Austin Jamal Butler. Oh, black king. No, I take that back. I take that back actually. But I would, yeah, I think bronze king. Bronze king. Bronze or king. I mean, oh my gosh, I'm trying to explain why I saw Elvis, the gosh, I'm trying to explain why I saw Elvis, the movie, in theaters,

not once, not twice, but three times. Oh. Oh, actually, that's not true. I saw it in theaters twice, and then I got a new TV, and the first movie I watched on the TV was Elvis. But you hate Elvis. But you love Austin Butler. I don't care about Elvis,

but Austin Butler was really selling it to me. Oh, what if you're in 1965 and like you've never seen a white man shake his hips in like an appealing way. Like he's like the first white boy with like something going on. White boy with a little dip in his hip, a little swag. Wait, was Elvis your intro to Austin?

Other than Hannah Montana, is that what he was on before? He was on The Carrie Diaries, which I, sorry, skipped. Shout out to Anna Sophia Robb though. Wait, so what took you to him? What led you to Austin? Elvis, maybe. Elvis, yeah, Elvis. And then, you know, he really wiped the floor

with some other people, won't say who, not Zendaya, in Dune II. Dune II was where I woke up. I was fast asleep, I was tucked in bed. I chugged an Iqal and I said, I am so sorry. Didn't you also see Dune II without having seen the first Dune? No, no, no, I saw the first Dune the day before.

But I watched it not in theaters. Sorry, not a true cinema girl. Yeah, I went to film school. Yes, I'm also very excited for Bike Riders, his new movie with Tom Hardy. Wait, what's that supposed to be about? Girl, men on bikes, motorcycles. Good enough for me, all right. Wait, Tom Hardy. Wait, what's that supposed to be about? Girl, men on bikes, motorcycles. Good enough for me. All right.

Wait, Tom Hardy. Vroom vroom. Your little weak wrist doing that vroom vroom was horrific to witness. Oh my God. Oh, I'm taking a sip of this water like it's wine. I'm like, oh Jesus. Wait, I actually know nothing about that movie at all. But I am into a Tom Hart. Speaking of white, I guess he's never, not the white men of the current week, but he was once a white man warrior of the week.

He was holding it down for the white boys, Tom Hardy and those lips back in the day. The inception trailer when he like pulls up the big gun. We must dream a little bigger, every episode I do a bad British accent. What? Why? Does he even say it in that movie? He said we must dream a little bigger darling and he pulls out a big gun. Come on. We're talking about the same scene but I guess. You went to film school. You don't remember that scene from inception? No I don't remember how inception went. I'm not

in high school fighting at a lunch table. In many ways I am. It's pride. I am oh my god and I'm not in high school fighting at a lunch table. In many ways, I am. It's pride. I am, oh my God. And I'm losing, yeah, he actually, not that this is really about Tom Hardy, but I do have to hold space for the one interview he said where he said, of course I had gay sex. I'm an actor.

And no one's ever been realer since that moment. Step up and give a good quote, God damn it. Love it. I also have to hold space for a little boy called Josh O'Connor. Heard of him? My Patrick Zweig, ever heard of him. Now he's a priest in those photos released

from the Knives Out threequel, Knives Out three. He's playing a priest and I've never related to Fleabag more. And then I was like, finally a priest does something for me. Wait, again, because Fleabag made you kind of... Yeah, I don't know. Really? I liked it, I didn't love it.

I was like, talk with the Catholic Church, maybe. Let me get the Pope a call. I gotta give him a visit. Ooh, whatever that meant. No, Joshua Connor, he's booking. Number three, are we placing him number three? If we're doing a ranking, yes, he is number three, but could move up.

I think he has all the material to move up. I think he's got the fan cams, he's got the bisexuals, he's got the, after this, probably the Catholic church. Yeah, no, Pope texting his friends, we're so back. Yeah. Josh O'Connor as a priest, oh, we're here. Good PR, thank God. We need this win.

No, okay, I can agree with that. I can agree Josh O'Connor taking the number three spot. Number four, someone we've actually, we've conversed hard about on this podcast, Paul Mezcal is how I said it. Ooh, like I'm into Loom. Paul Mezcal, I would say is taking the number four white boy of the week spot.

It's funny, I always, I am like so ambivalent about Paul Mezcal and then I forget that I'm like Awuka eyes like banging on a table. Like, wait, he's so hot. Yeah, there's BTS photos released from the Gladiator movie he's filming. And I said, that's a thigh. That's a thigh first and a man second. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, I was, I said, Phoebe, baby. Thumbled that little bag. Get back on your Zoom girl, call him. Imagine, imagine like you dump someone and then they play the gladiator. And they have to like go make up a huge movie and like have like workouts or paid for for like months and months

and look the best I've ever looked. Like that would end. No, I'd kill myself. There's a gun, it goes off. It's in my hands. I would be like, you're joking. I actually would really, really hate that experience. I had an ex who was a model, is modeling,

and even that kind of like chills my bones a bit. Because I was like, I'm supposed to be the pretty bitch in the equation. And you're a guy and you're taking the pretty bitch card. So, you know, in solidarity with Phoebe Bridgers. But Paul in these photos is not pretty. He's like big, he's buff. He's like, like.

Which shows you he's a man who could do both. He gives you like pretty little simp with that little chain and normal people. And now he's giving you that's Dwayne The Rock, Johnson's understudy. Don't bring The Rock into this. Oh my God, I think The Rock is sexy, sex. The most lesbian thing about me is I think The Rock

is sex on the stick. I forgot that you have this opinion. That's so crazy. I'm sorry, he's, he is like so like neutered by capitalism to me. I have no thoughts about him in my head as like a sex symbol. I do have to say though,

on role mention for also in Bike Riders, Mike Faced. Oh, love. He's like so baby girl cute to me. Yeah, he's gotta kinda step it up though. But then again, you think about his booty shot in Challengers, he led every scene booty first. Yes, he did.

I said, oh, you're caked up. You're caked the fuck up. He said, how about that ass though? Wait, that and the video of him dancing at that wedding. Oh yes. Caking it. Yes. I love a dancer boy, Tom Holland. Tom Holland right below.

Okay, Tom Holland and Mike, they gotta get in the gym. Tom Holland with his little bangs. They're kinda cute. His little turf bangs. I don't know if they're for me. They're not turf bangs. They're turf adjacent. They're like in the top of the morning.

We've gotta get into a dialogue class. I would call it, that's what I would call the bangs. Okay, honorable mentions, Mike Fies, Tom Holland. And okay, wait, one more honorable mention. Okay, fine. Harris Dickinson, ever heard of him? Heard, actually, heard, did I see and weep watching the fucking iron claw?

Yeah, I did. He had the best accent out of all of them and he's the only one that's not American. Yeah, well that's acting, that's acting out of all of them and he's the only one that's not American. Yeah. Well, that's acting. That's acting for you. That's something we can't do because our accents are crazy. Wait, really good one.

Really good reference. Yes, because I feel like I know him. I see him around the city all the time via those Prada summer ads that he's like on every kind of subway thing, every like wheat paste. I'm like, oh my gosh, he looks so like cute. He's such a boy for a girl in New York City. Yeah. And his skin is so, I mean, obviously it's airbrushed, but it's like, wow.

That's a pretty bitch. No, that's a pretty bitch. Imagine I was like, and that's my ex-boyfriend. But Harrison, if you want to be my ex-boyfriend, we can kind of, every podcast I try to be like, pitch to. I need to get over that. I have tweeted Hunter Harris Dickinson so many times. Like, we need to link and build.

Okay, I'll quote Payton Harrison and let's just see, let's do it over and over until he reports me. You don't even know his damn name. Oh shit. It's Harris. So what did I say? Harrison. I said, Payton, what did I say Harrison? I said Peyton what I say is that's her couple name. That's that's pride. Actually, that's probably that's pride telling That's pride to my brain be gay. Relax and be gay. Stop trying to do this whole bye bit

I'll let him I'll let him book though. I'll let him get the honorable mention little let's see. Let's see where he lands Yes, I have to say maybe a little watch the space in parentheses for Callum Turner he did submit his self-tape for white boy of the week and Let's see where he lands. Yes, I have to say maybe a little watch the space in parentheses for Callum Turner. He did submit his self-tape for White Boy of the Week and maybe he'll get a call back. Dua Lipa's boyfriend? Maybe there'd be a little bit of motion. Is that Dua Lipa's boyfriend?

Yeah. Okay, until he's not known as Dua Lipa's boyfriend, then we can talk. He's known as the guy in the plain TV show, not movie, which is uncle's favorite show right now. We gotta get your uncle on the pod. I know. And we have to ask him,

who's your white boy of the week? It'll be Glenn Powell. I think what we're getting at, someone's name is missing. Someone's name has not crossed these lips. Demethe Chalamet, step it up. Shaking. We gotta call Club Chalamet. We're like, we gotta Lincolnville, we gotta work. We gotta get our man back call Club Chalamet. We gotta link and build. We gotta work.

We gotta get our man back. Club Chalamet's on her Zoom. She's furiously typing, like, getting him back to the pyramid. Absolutely. Well, that's it for this week. We are two online, so you don't have to be. Let's hope and pray that Maddie Healy catches a stray.

He is a stray. Girl, be serious. Okay, no, you ate that. And Gypsy Rose, please, Queen, keep up the good work. We will be tuning in, we will be watching, we will be standing. I will be refreshing club Chalamet, like it's my gosh, yo, we love it till we hate it. Yo, get your first, I'ma talk, let me say this. Follow us on socials at Peyton Dix and at Hunter H.

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